WEBVTT - You're Wrong Friend - Oblivion is Better Than Skyrim 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.960 Hello, goodbye. 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.560 I'm not saying Colovians are dumb, They're just hard headed. 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:08.000 Don't talk such rot. 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.639 What am I doing? Well, I'll tell you what I'm doing. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.720 I'm getting you ready for today's spoiler filled the episode 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:21.600 of Your Wrong Friend Oblivion versus Skyrim by reciting some 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.800 of the iconic voice. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:43.440 Lines Hello, whatame is? Jason Cooncepsio and I'm a boo and. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.000 Welcome back to x viesit of the podcast when we 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.360 dive to your favorite shows, movies, comic tip, pop culture 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.280 cover you from I Heart Podcast. We're bringing you three 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.160 episodes a week every Tuesday, Thursday, Friday plus dudes. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.000 And today we have a very special episode of Your 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.040 Wrong Friend in which we hold up our sacred opinions 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.760 to attack and debate to decide what pop culture thing 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.960 someone is wrong about. So let's introduce our judges for today, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:13.720 the honorable and distinguished Aaron Kaufman Yarrel of X ray Vision. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.840 Thank you a boot. You know, I used to be 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.200 a debater like the two of you, and then I 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:19.880 took an arrow to the knee and now here I 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:25.400 am well as we are here, I'm very exciting for 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.479 our debate. These are two iconic video games. And as 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.040 we are getting ready, Jason, you're here on behalf of 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.520 all of White Run. You're here to remind us why 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.039 Skyrim is the best game in the Elder Scroll series. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.120 But a Boo doesn't agree. He's here to make the 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.720 case that Oblivion is actually peak Elder Scrolls. This is 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.720 your Wrong Friend, and joining me on the judges council 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.400 is Joel. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.240 I'm ready for war and blood. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:56.320 Let's go, and Carmen is our standby judge in case 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.400 we hit a tie. Now a quick reminder of our format. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.800 We will have our opening statement. Jason will get two 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.560 minutes to kick things off and share why he feels 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.600 Skyrim is the best. A Boo will then have four 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.440 minutes for your Wrong Friend, where he gets to respond 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.280 to Jason's opening and argue why Oblivion is actually the 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.320 better game. Jason will then get two minutes for no 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.840 Your Wrong Friend to respond to a Boo's claims. Then 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.320 we'll move to the questions in the question round. Joel 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.200 and I each get to ask each side one questions. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.760 That's four questions total, one minute for each question. Then 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.400 Joel and I will convene for the judges panel, and 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.880 then we will announce our verdict. And now let's welcome 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.000 Jason and a Boo to the stage to argue for 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.960 superiority in the Elder Scrolls franchise. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:45.400 First up, Jason, why Skyrim is the best. Skyrim is 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.280 the best because of the world that it drops you into. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.640 There's no doubt, having played and currently playing the Oblivion 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.280 remake that there are some aspects, particularly the you know, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.919 some of the player movement, the player speed, the RP 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.400 genus of the way the game is played, the ability 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:09.760 to combine magic spells and customize magic that is super 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.320 compelling about that game. It's a tighter story. The main 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.640 storyline is tighter and is woven throughout the game, I 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.400 think in a much more efficient way. But Skyrim, the 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.919 sprawling nature of it, the different worlds that you can discover, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:30.120 just find your way into Blackreach. One of these times 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:38.480 you replay Skyrim, the massive, connected underground realm of Blackreach 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.880 with all its mysteries, and realize that this place is 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.240 underneath the map of Skyrim, which is in itself huge, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:52.600 encompassing multiple large cities, certainly more large and lively than 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:58.280 the Oblivion versions, and you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.600 and the lore here is no is no is nothing 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:02.160 to sneeze at. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:02.440 Either. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:07.880 You're dropped into a blooming civil war between the Empire 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.119 and the storm Cloaks. You get to decide for each 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.920 side you're gonna you're gonna join. You might join both, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.680 you might play each side off of each other. Both 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.720 have their advantages and disadvantages. I think if you're coming 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.600 from Oblivion, you'll have a renewed respect for the Empire, certainly, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.520 But this is a game that just puts an entire 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:35.840 world at your fingertips at the expense of some of 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.919 the gameplay depth that you experience in Oblivion. Uh do 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.640 you love to explore? You're gonna be in Skyrim and 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:48.680 one hundred thousand mods and countings for this game make 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.440 the point for me. The audience has chosen, and they have. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:58.479 Chosen Skyrim two one. All right, now a boo. You 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.120 will have four minutes on the class to make your 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:05.080 point as well as respond to Jason. You are good 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:06.159 to go whenever you're ready. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:13.039 All right. So before I respond to Jason's points, many 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.240 of which were excellent, I want to start by presenting 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.840 my sales pitch. On why Oblivion is the best Ulser 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.479 Scrolls game. So the crux of my argument basically comes 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:28.039 down to immersion and the RPG elements in Oblivion. If you, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.520 like me, are the type of gamer that loves to 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.400 escape into your video game universes, loves to be taken 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:40.440 on an incredible journey, have memorable adventures, maybe visit unique 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:45.000 and beautiful locations along the way, meet lovable characters, then 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.880 Oblivion is by far your obvious choice. Oblivion is a 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.919 game in which you actually get to role play. You 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.920 get to roleplay a character of your choosing that you build. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.200 Do you want to be a staff fielding made shooting 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.200 fireballs and lightning, go for or maybe you would prefer 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.960 to be a brute swinging a warhammer that's taller than you. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.680 You can do that. Perhaps, like me, you're a soft 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.720 footed thief who snipes his foes from afar before they 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.599 even see him. Go for it. Oblivion's class and leveling 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:20.640 mechanics actually let you play a style rather than Skyrim's 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.839 jack of all trades approach. In Skyrim, when you can 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.839 be or do anything, are you really role playing anything 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:33.039 beyond a generic overpowered protagonist, Because that's all Skyrim lets 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.480 you do, and honestly, that sounds like fuss roe boring 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.880 to me. Oblivion's gorgeous, high fantasy setting also means that 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.880 you get to visit some of the most iconic locations 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.279 ever in Elder Scrolls, from the port city of Anvil 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.839 to the wildly imaginative realm of Madness the Shivering Isles. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.960 Name one place in Skyrim that looks or feels any 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.000 different from every other drab, gray and brown, snowy region 0:06:59.040 --> 0:06:59.280 in the. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.120 Game, that's just spaty. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.800 Finally, I have the floor, sir. Finally. The quests in 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:09.679 Oblivion are objectively better and more unique than Skyrim. Throughout 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.720 the game, you might be transported into a painting to 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.920 finish a quest, you'll be trapped in other people's nightmares 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.280 and need to find a way to escape, and in 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.320 one of the most iconic quests in the game, you 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.360 get to throw a murder party. Along the way, You're 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.480 gonna meet a lot of memorable characters. Just to highlight 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.640 a few, the gray Fox head of the Thieves, killed 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.080 cool guy Shio goreth weird guy boris really nice guy 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.280 love him Ultimately. Oblivion is a game for lovers of 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.240 good stories, deep arbg mechanics, and beautiful worlds, and I 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.480 would argue that Skyrim is for people who want to 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.240 just mindlessly swing a sword and not think too hard. Interesting, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.440 and with my remaining time, I want to address just 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:55.120 some of the notes that my opponent laid out. First 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.240 of all, I would argue that the civil war that's 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:02.560 present within Skyrim is nothing more then set trusting. It's 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.239 just the backdrop to the game. It has no real 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.600 world effect on the game itself or the outcomes of 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.640 the world. The world is barely shaped by those events 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.840 or the quote unquote choices that you make throughout oblivion. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.200 On the other hand, the oblivion gates themselves have a 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.520 noticeable impact on the gameplay, and when you go through 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.000 the main story, you can close those oblivion gates, which 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.240 reshapes the world that you explore. That is something that 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.600 Skyrim lacks. Also, on the point of mods, I have 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.880 only a few remaining seconds left, so I'll say this, 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.439 if your game needs this many mods to be good, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.440 then I don't feel like you finish the game in 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.440 the first place, and your community is doing the work 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.959 for you. Whoops, I yield the rest of my time. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:47.560 Wow. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:53.439 Some incendiary things there. Goodness gracious, I hope no one 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.720 from the modding community was listening. Jason, You know, have 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.320 two minutes to respond to a boo. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.440 Sure, there's a reason that Grant Have five is still 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.520 being played now a decade after the game. It's because 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:13.160 of the community that a boo so casually insults. The 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:19.200 community around Skyrim is not only huge, but it's so 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:27.199 dedicated to the underlying mechanics, the structure the world created 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:34.000 by that game, that they work for free to create 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.800 mods that build out the civil war, that put a 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.360 beautiful sheen on it, that create new quest lines, that 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:46.000 create new cabins and things that you can have the marketplace. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.240 Because these games are created by creators so that fans 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.880 can enjoy them. The fact that so many fans enjoy 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.560 them and want to keep it alive is not, for 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:05.280 me a negative point. I think it's a beautiful positive 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:10.679 point that speaks to the vitality around a game that 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.440 is now what fifteen years old or something like that. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:19.040 It wasn't until Bethesda, for some beautiful reason, decided to 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:23.560 release this remake that people began to play Oblivion once 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.959 again in the numbers that can even approach Skyrim, which 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.800 has not had any kind of meaningful Bethesda led update 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:38.640 in many, many years. Skyrim's popularity speaks for itself and 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.280 speaks quite loudly about what the world thinks. Is the 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:50.920 more playable, more vital, more living and breathing world. And 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.360 that's to take nothing away from oblivion, which is a 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.480 fantastic five seconds. But how dare you, sir? 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:57.880 How dare you? 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.160 Oh? Thank you? We have time. We're gonna jump to 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.640 a little break right now. Sure, we're gonna go level 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.400 up our stealth and when we come back, we will 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:23.920 move into the judges questions. Yeah, and we're back. First up, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.120 I like to ask a boo a question, A boo, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.599 you spend a lot of time there actually not a 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.240 lot of time, a very short amount of time, but 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:36.160 it was very loud deploring the mods of Skyrim. Do 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.040 you My question to you, is it not fun for 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.640 you to play the game where the dragons are replaced 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.040 by Thomas the tank engine and the enemies are replaced 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.760 by SpongeBob? Is that not a fun thing for you? 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:49.520 You have one minute? 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.880 Okay, this is maybe a very square answer for me, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.400 but no, I've never really delved into the Body world. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.520 I play the vanilla game, and I find Body frankly 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.679 to be Maybe I'm starting to sound like an old person, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.040 but I find it confusing. How do I install the mods? 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.040 Is it gonna work when they pass the next game? 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.440 Is it not gonna work? Can I make it work 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.199 on my Xbox? 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:11.360 No? 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.840 Do I have to play on PC? I find the 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.000 modding world incredibly confusing, so if I sound dismiss ave 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.360 of it, it comes from a place of total and 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.160 utter confusion. I greatly respect all the folks that are 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:29.080 putting in countless hours into polishing and adding more to 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.560 this expansive universe, and I will hand it to Bodesta 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.839 for creating the mod tools and opening up their game 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.560 to the modern community. That's respectable. I will know they've 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.040 done that for both Skyrim and Oblivion, so I don't 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.199 see that as an argument in Skyrim's favor. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.439 All right, Jason, my question for you. You talked a 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.840 little bit about the civil war that's going on the 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.400 vast map, but I'm coming from Animal Crossing and I 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.080 really want to know why are the houses in Skyrim 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.400 better than the houses in Oblivion that you know for 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.400 your character why. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.320 Are they better? Well, there's more of them. They are 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:12.040 more customizable, with gardens and with trophies, and with weapons racks, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.080 and with lots of different knickknacks that you can add 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:21.240 to different places. They are spread across the map as 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.839 they are an Oblivion, to be fair. But I would 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:30.199 argue even though a boot I think inaccurately decried the 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:36.400 Skyrim map as banal and the same, it spans lots 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.559 of different environments. You can have a cabin in the snow, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.240 you can have a apartment in the side of a mountain 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.640 in the east. You can have a mansion in the 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.880 Imperial Capital city like you can do a lot of 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.840 different things, and every single room is customizable as built is. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.520 You can build it and you can move your family 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.000 in and have the wonder of like some random bard 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.560 like wandering and play music. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.720 It's just living in time, all right, Joelle, your questions. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.400 So I'm gonna give my first question to Jason. Jason, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.120 you mentioned the joy of playing Skyrim, but but then 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.320 a Boo had that great point, Bobby, You're just swinging 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.959 a sword. What is it about the fight mechanics that 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.800 outdoes what Oblivion is doing well? 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.000 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try and argue that 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:29.040 the RP genius of oblivion isn't deeper. There's a trade 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.840 off here, right, and it's the customizable aspect of your 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.040 character and oblivion versus the depth and richness. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.200 Of the world. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.960 What I take issue with is this idea that, like, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.640 we're not all just doing sneak Archer. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.280 In both fucking games. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:53.840 Let's let's stop this, sir. Let's stop this silliness and 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:59.200 stop pretending that we're doing anything else in both games 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:05.880 other crouching through the fucking tunnels of a cave and 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.360 sniping somebody with a maybe poisoned arrow and some magic both. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.640 That's what we're doing in both games. Okay, we're doing 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.600 it in both games. I would add that there are 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.120 some cool mods for Skyrim that add wonderful gory death 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.280 animations slow mo death animation. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.320 You can't do that, as I think that's time all right. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.480 Man, Okay for a boo. I take Jason's point of 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:29.960 tighter storytelling. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:30.360 I'm with you. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.360 I prefer an RPG style game. I want to make 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.720 my character, I want to insert myself into the game. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.080 But I often find that in most RPG games. That 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.440 means I am suffering first story. What makes a story 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.800 an Oblivion strong enough to compete with what Skyrim is doing. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.680 I think that Oblivion story in every aspect is stronger 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.280 than Skyrim's. Yes, you get dragons in Skyrim, but in 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.080 Oblivion you have a wide cast of character, You go 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.560 to many different regions, You do a number of unique quests. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.480 Just take for example, any of the quest lines in 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.000 Oblivion which are better than the quest lines in Skyrim, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.400 Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood in particular. One of the 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.280 most notable things in those quest lines is that along 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.760 the way you level up within the Guilt, you are 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.040 given clear progression, and that gives you a sense of achievement. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.200 As you work your way up through a guild, you 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.680 are introduced to more guild characters and more inner guild 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.880 politics and drama. And in many of these quest lines 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.720 you rise to be the top of that of that 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.320 particular guild. You rise through those rinks. Skyrim, to me, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.160 the storylines, the quest lines don't give you that same 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.119 level of satisfaction. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.840 Oh all right, wow, wow, we are going to move 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.520 into our closing statements. Jason, you will get one minute 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.920 and then a boo will get one minute himself. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.040 Skyrim is legend. It's popularity speaks for itself. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:58.320 It is a. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:04.480 Framework around which a vibrant community who I respect, unlike 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:10.200 my opponent, has come to breathe renewed life and renewed 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.080 vigor into a game that has a legacy that is 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.840 now stretched a decade plus. It has various ways to play. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.000 Even though you're going to play as a sneak archer, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.080 I don't want to downplay the RP genus of Skyrim, which, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:30.359 while not on the complexity level of Oblivion, is still 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.159 wonderful with various ways to play a barbarian. You can 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.400 play a magician, you play a maide, you could play 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.280 a sword spell. You can play as a sneak archer, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.840 you can play as a thief. All of that is wonderful, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.840 with wonderful story and a rich and massive world. Tell 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.760 me anything about Grand Theft Auto five's main story. It 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.000 doesn't matter, right because you're over there like mugging people. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.240 You could do that in Skyrit. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.480 It's time, all right, Boom, you have one minute for 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:57.440 your closing statement. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:03.920 All right, So my opponent has made an admirable attempt 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.880 at peddling the fictitious narrative that Skyrim is a better 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.280 game than Oblivion. And you know, while I concede that 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.920 it certainly has its particular strengths as a full package, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.280 it fails to deliver the grandeur and heights of Oblivion. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.680 And here's where I will rest my case. Oblivion Remaster 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.719 now exists and is available for you all to enjoy. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.840 That game borrows some of Skyrim's strengths, actually many of 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.600 the things that Jason has pointed out, yet it retains 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.720 the obvious charms that Oblivion the original game had in 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.320 two thousand and six. So now to your gamer, you 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.320 can play a more graphically impressive, mechanically refined, and ultimately 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:47.400 better game. Or if you choose, you can run more 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.840 errands for the Yar Courier of winter Hold, that is, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.000 if you can even remember who that is and what 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.159 winter Hold looks like. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.840 Ooh, all right, we are going to go to a 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.040 quick break, and when we return, Judge Joelle and I 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:16.840 will begin our deliberation. And we're back. Joel, how are 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.680 you feeling? Have you leveled up your listening skills and 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.639 contempt contemplative thinking skills from this debate. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:29.760 I've maxed out on listening. I've I've contemplated deeply, and 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.280 I think I think I have a choice, which shocks me. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.480 Which shocks me because both debates are really good. I 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.800 have not played either game. I've played the game. I 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.960 have watched my brother plays some of Skyrim, so I 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.160 know a little bit about Kyrim. I love a dragon 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.639 and I like the the visual designs of it, and 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.320 I was like, okay, I love a dragon. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:54.119 I was ready. 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.240 I didn't know Oblivion was an RPG case it's something 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.560 I was paying. I was like, oh god, okay. But 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.280 then but then Jason was describing the under dark, which 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.480 that's the the D and D. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:05.879 Term for it. 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.399 But you know, I was like, okay, cool that that. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.120 And then I was googling and I'm like, oh man, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.119 that world looks really juicy. But I think what got 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:18.640 me was the Booth argument about the gameplay. I love 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.200 a self insert game, I. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.320 Really, I really do. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.320 And when if you can become the head of guild 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.520 and shit and then replay it that much, you're constantly 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.440 doing different storylines as different characters, that's a game that's 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.359 worth sixty to eighty dollars. So that's a game you 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.399 put money down for. So I think as much as 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.880 I do love the visual designs on Skyrim, and as 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.120 fun as my brother like my brother played Tobably three 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.360 times all the way through, loves that game, I think 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.880 I think I'm Team Oblivion. Aaron, where are you at? 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:45.760 Wow? 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:46.680 Well, I have played both. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.719 I have currently fifteen dollars. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.080 Yeah, I was gonna say the price. Let's not bring 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.040 the price up. Also, I will remind the contestant. Sorry 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:04.200 the judges, this is just the judges room. The contestants 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.840 are not allowed in here. I have played both of them, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.919 and I've sunk a number of hours into both. But 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.959 the biggest problem I think I have with this debate 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.800 is A Boo did not even acknowledge that Thomas the 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.280 tank engine part of my question. For that, I'm not 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.840 really sure if I can award that at all, but 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.919 I do, like I will say, A Boo had a 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.119 really good point that in Skyrim it's a superhero. You 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.040 play a superhero. Basically you can level up anything at 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.040 any time just by doing it, which is a really 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:37.200 interesting mechanic. And I like that the more you swing 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.680 your sword and or you get it swinging your sword. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.639 That's kind of like real life. But in Oblivion, I 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:48.080 do like that you're not just like all encompassing. You 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.080 can do everything. You always have swords and spells, et cetera. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:53.000 You love a game rule. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.359 I think at the end of the day, I would 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:02.440 probably revisit Oblivion before I revisited Skyrim, if all things 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.800 were equal, because I have played Skyrim more recently. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.000 But which which debate? 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:07.359 One? 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.600 Which debate? Are you like this is? 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.320 Because I feel like it's different. 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:13.840 Have you played the game and you're making. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:14.240 Up like that game? 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.199 Yes, I have a little bit of different. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:16.359 You know. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.679 I'm coming at this with my own internal biases. I 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.560 think from the debate side, I think Skyrim is going 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.960 to get it for me because a Boo, you know, 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.120 A Boo's side was really good and he talked about 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:33.359 the story being really important and Oblivion. But just from 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.600 his description of the stories, it was pretty similar to 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.200 the description of the stories in Skyrim, And so I 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:41.880 think we're going to be split right here. We might 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:46.960 have to call in our tide breaker judge. Yeah, Carmen 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.080 for a moment, Speaker of the House. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.440 Carmen, Hello, Hello, Hello. 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.639 Now Carmen, before you bring your decision to the group. 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.320 Have you played either Skyrim or Oblivion. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.760 So at the last time, I have never played Skyrim. 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.200 I played Oblivion when I was eight years old on 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:09.440 a two week vacation in Colorado at my grandfather's house, 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:10.360 and I used. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.640 So you're an expert, and I had a lot of fun. 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:21.000 I have to say I because I love the videos 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.560 of the Thomas the train. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:38.760