WEBVTT - Ep. 35: Billy Wants A State-Record Goldfish 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.600 If you buy Billy that shotgun, you are really going 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.119 to have to be really nice to him forever. And 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.720 she just starts crying, and I'm like, oh no, it's 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.840 about that stupid eagle again. I do have personal experience 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:21.880 targeting trophy goldfish. Every single line of his is tangled, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.800 and it is like the cluster of the century. Good morning, 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.280 degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that thinks 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.120 birding is for people who just can't figure out how 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.400 to fish. I'm Joe Surmillion, Miles Nulty, and I don't. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.920 I really don't want to agree with you. I don't 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.839 want agree with you. Don't want to agree with me, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.519 which is your way of admitting that you actually do 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.320 agree with me. No, I've known you long enough now, y'alls. No, not, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.960 that's not entirely true. Look, how how do I I 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.440 actually do think that birds are cool? All right? Part 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.880 of what I love about my house, for example, is 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.600 the fact that my office slash spare bedroom slash place 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.360 we store all the random crap we don't have space 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.920 for as floor to ceiling windows. The lookout over this 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.600 aspen grove. I'm in fact looking at that grove right 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.200 now that sounds beautiful, And and I get to watch 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.680 everything from robbins and starlings, two ravens and crows, to 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.000 woodpeckers and flickers to hawks and osprey. And my personal favorite, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.679 of course is the black capped chicken ee, which I 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.319 refer to as the Nelson Months bird because it's call 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.040 sounds a lot like the signature laugh of Nelson Months, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.960 the bully from the Simpsons. So yeah, dude, I admit 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.479 I like birds. I think birds are Yeah, yeah, birds 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.280 they are cool. Certain ones are entertaining, like I love 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.280 a good tuna chicker Gannett, especially like a lot of 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 a lot of them together dipping and diving into the ocean. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.680 You agree with me, I could watch that all day. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.560 In fact, I get upset when they stop doing that 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.880 once they've started. You know what I'm saying. But I 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.840 think you're into You're intentionally missing the point because it's 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.320 a simple yes or no question. Do you go out birding? 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.799 As in, do you set out from from your your 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.400 your abode, from your home with binoes dangling around your 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.920 neck and maybe a safari vest stuffed with manuals bird 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.360 manuals and a log book and and actively say to 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.000 yourself today, I'm going to look for birds, Like do 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.079 you make looking for birds and actual goal that you 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:37.440 will use your spare time? No, you're thinking about then 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.120 you don't go birding air go. Okay, you agree birds 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:46.400 are cool, but birding is lane. It is not that. No, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.800 all right, that's not exactly what I said. I think 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.000 you were twisting my words. I would I would say that, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.600 all right, how do I You know what? Every year, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.639 every year and this year is no different. Every year, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.919 I swear I'm going to pick up a bird identifit 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.800 Cation book and I'm gonna take that thing with me 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.920 every time I go fishing, which is part of birding. Right, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.440 but have you bought the book? We actually purchased the book? No, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:13.440 But I'm my point is made. Wanting to like birding 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.480 is not the same as actually burning. I want to 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:21.440 like jogging and thigh masters. You was like THI master commercials. True, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.560 but I mean it's I want to like d I 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.280 y home improvements. I want to like respoiling my reels. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.640 It doesn't mean I actually enjoy any of those things. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.240 All right. I feel like I'm arguing a point I 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.960 cannot win. I am not a burder. I don't, and 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.160 I actually I don't think I want to be a birder. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.080 I just I'm not willing to go so far as 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.640 to say birding is lame. Mostly, I mean mostly because 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.360 I don't want to fully concede this argument to you, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.839 but also because I think, I because bird watching does 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.680 add to my enjoyment of fishing. It is not at 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.040 all like jogging or fixing a sink. I get that. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.960 I think if like pleasure boating, like I never understood 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.680 just driving around on a boat for the reason that's 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.480 what it is. I'm not going to shoot the bird, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.840 and like pleasure boating is like I'm just gonna piste 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.880 away gas and ride around. But I'm not gonna do anything. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.880 It's gonna ride around. Doesn't make sense, um, But I 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.200 I will ask, though, can you have a great day 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.320 of fishing without seeing any birds? Yes? And like I said, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.960 your point is taken. I concede at least too as 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.400 far as I'm willing to concede in these conversations. Birds 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.760 are never going to be the main reason that I 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.640 go out to the water, but they do. They add 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.479 to my overall experience. I'm glad they're there, I enjoy 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.520 the birds. Good. I accept your apology, and now that 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.600 my domination of the argument is forever recorded here on Bend, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.520 I think we can actually get on with the show. Uh. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.359 And first up, we have a smooth move for you 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.200 where we bring on guides, captains, outfitters, really anyone who 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.040 works in the fishing industry, and we asked them to 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.080 tell us a story about some entertaining ship the clients 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.720 have done. This week, we're hanging out with with one 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.480 of miles old buddies, Rick Mattney, who is going to 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.720 tell us about a client who cannot enjoy fishing if 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:10.400 no birds are involved. Why Joining us today in the 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:16.040 guide shack is captain, guide, outfitter, lodge owner, boat mechanics chef, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.159 and outdoor plumbing expert Rick Manny. How you doing? Did I? 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.120 Did I forget anything in there? I mean custom would 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.680 work or TiO. You should see the road tracks I 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.599 just built in my new boat. But yeah, other than that, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.000 Other than that, I had a pretty good little context. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.479 Rick and I live in the same town and have 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.000 known each other for a very long time. In addition 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.119 to guiding all over Montana, Rick runs a fishing lodge 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.040 up in Wrangle, Alaska called Crone Chasers that I got 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.520 lucky enough to get invited to one time. And like 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.800 you just you primarily target steelhead, but you also do 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.159 samon trips right, Yeah, where we started a fall, late 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.480 summer fall foraging fishing trip. So that's kind of an 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.040 all inclusive experienced trip that involves fishing in the creeks, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.400 fishing in the ocean, um digging clams, sending it out, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.560 shrimp pots, crab pots, harvesting berries, wild mushrooms, seaweed, all 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.680 kinds of stuff. So it's like a full on almost 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.560 like a nature inclusion trip. Uh. And we go out 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.200 and basically get everything we need to survive on for 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.520 dinner and come back to the lodge and cook it 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.200 and preserve it and things like that afterwards. That tracks 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:22.240 me because when I was up there, I think I 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.120 had one of the greatest days of my life. We 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.279 got to we were hiking around up in the Southeast 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:30.080 Alaska rainforest. I will never forget I hooked seven seven 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.920 dime bright steelhead on seven consecutive casts, which should never 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.680 happen ever. And then and like we get done and 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.120 Rick's driving us back to the harbor, and and like 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.320 hold on, we have to pull over and pulled crab 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.200 pots on the way back, and just brought in a 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.200 bunch of fresh dungeons crab and that's what we got 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:52.560 to eat for dinner. It was like it was truly glorious. Dude. Yeah, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.280 correct to me, it's every day, I mean my life. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:58.760 It was your best day ever. That's when your best 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.640 day ever, it's a twos day, you know, that's just 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.920 you should see what Wednesdays are like. It gets real 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.920 wild on Wednesdays. All right, Well, enough about how much 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.880 better your life is than everybody else's. We brought you 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.080 here to tell us ridiculous story about something a client 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.080 has done. But before I have you tell that actual story, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.040 We're gonna do a little like short bonus, smooth move. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.520 What's the stupidest question you get asked on a regular 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.160 basis the stupidest question that I get asked? And I 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.160 think every single week of clients I've ever had in Alaska, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.560 someone has asked the question, what elevation are we at? 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.200 As we're driving the boat on the ocean. And I 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.760 don't think I have had a single week in twelve years, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.280 you know, I mean, how many clients. I have to 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.960 add that up. It's like like six clients. Someone in 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.600 each four person group has asked that question at least 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.480 once during the week, sometimes multiple times, but no matter what. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.080 Hands down, while driving on the ocean, someone asked, what 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.920 elevation are we at? You know they're trying to sound 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.600 so smart. These guys are smart. You know, these guys 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.960 are CEOs of big corporations, are incredibly intelligent people. You know, 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.280 they're kind of the upper echelon. And then something like 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.760 that comes out of their mouth and you just discredit 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.320 everything else they've done in life. That's almost as good 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.160 as the like when does the river circle back to 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.560 the truck question that that we get in Montana? Uh? 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.120 That that was good, But I know that's not the 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.880 main event. Later on us tell us, tell us the 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.840 real story you got for us? Okay, the real one 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.600 I got. I mean, I've guided for almost twenty five 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.520 years now, since I was young. My dad had an 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.520 out fitting company, so I've had all walks of life, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.000 everything from hunting and fishing both. But there's a fishing podcast. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.760 We gotta go to fishing, and there's one story that 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.520 sticks to mind, and it was just it was one 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.960 of those things that it was pretty late in my 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.200 guiding career. So I had a whole bunch of experience 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.320 and I did something that that I probably should have 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.760 never done, and I had this lady called me up 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.120 and she wanted to book a guided fishing trip. And 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.400 the reason she wanted to book a guy a fishing 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.400 trip is because she's never seen a bald eagle. Her 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.760 name is Mary from Atlanta, Georgia, and the hotel where 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.040 she was staying at said the best chance she'd have 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.000 at seeing a bald eagle was to float down a 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.560 river because that's where the eagles are because they feed 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.800 on fish. That's what the lady at the hotel said. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.520 So her husband fishes a little bit and she he's 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.360 gonna go along. So I meet him. I agreed to 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.679 take him on a trip and I was like, yeah, well, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.839 well I'm sure I guarantee you we're going to see 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.439 an eagle. I did the one thing that a guy 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.600 should never do, hold out the guarantee word. And so 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.800 we go. She's never fished before. I get her set 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.040 up with a rod and she's like, you know, I'm 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.560 really not interested. I just want to see an eagle. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:38.800 So I'll just right in the back of the boat, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.560 totally fine. Husband gets up front, starts catching fish. We 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.680 go on with the day. I completely forget about trying 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.360 to find an eagle right away and h because I'm 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.959 too into the fishing. And lunchtime we sit down and 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.839 Mary's sitting in the back of the boat. She hasn't 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.200 said a word all day. I didn't even realize that 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.400 she was back there, just quiet as a church mouse. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.040 And I turned back around when she was eating her sandwich. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.680 I was like, Mary, what's her a. You haven't said 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.040 a word all day. She's like, we haven't seen an eagle. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.400 And I was like, oh, hang on, just let me 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.040 look around. I'm sure I can find one from where 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:09.719 we're sitting right now. I just I forgot about it. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.199 I forgot to look for the eagle. My bad. I 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.560 see an eagle every single day, usually ten or twenty 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.960 of them, and I couldn't find an eagle for the 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.600 life of me on the Yellowstone River in Paradise Valley 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.200 in July. Like that just doesn't And so we continue 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.760 floating and she's getting mopier and mopier, and then about 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.240 we get down to where the takeouts, probably maybe a 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.920 quarter mile down river, and she's like, how far did 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.600 the takeout And I was like, oh, maybe thirty more minutes. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.560 We uh, we got probably a quarter mile left. And 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.839 she just starts crying, like just crying, and I'm like, oh, no, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.800 it's about that. It's about that stupid eagle again. And 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.320 I was like, she's like, we still have it, seated eagle, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.080 and she's just kind of moping and crying and just 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.840 on QE and osprey comes over the top of the 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.920 river starts back pedaling, and I was like, maybe an osprey. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.880 I know it's not an eagle, but it's an osprey. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.720 And look how it's see how it stalls out. It's 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.640 gonna dive and catch a fish right in front of us. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.880 And she's crying at this point in time, just sobbing. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:14.680 It's not an eagle. And this offsprey dives, comes flying 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.480 out of the air, smokes a white fish right in 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.920 front of us, and a tail out gets it and 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.680 starts coming up the river towards us. And as it 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.160 gets to maybe twenty five or thirty yards from us, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.000 you hear this this noise from wind on the wings, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:34.200 and an eagle comes in and just d Rills drops 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.280 the fish. Fish lands on the gravel bar and skips 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.160 eagle on the osprey kind of do a couple of 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.560 circles having it out. Eagle lands and starts eating on 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:48.720 the fish, and this lady is bawling uncontrollably at this 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:54.160 point in time, like Mother Nature couldn't a cue this 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.000 up better for me, especially on the one time I 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.240 guaranteed we'd see an eagle, so I thought for sure, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.960 and we're I can see the tape count like I 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.079 thought we were. I was, you know, in hot water 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.120 and done forever and uh so the moral of the 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:10.080 story is, as a guide, never say the word guarantee 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.800 that had had a happy ending. But it was. It 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.080 was a very emotional roller coaster for me, to say 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.000 the least. I had no idea where this was going. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.680 When I was I was wondering, like if you would 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.960 like hit one like with your windshield on the way 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.480 out of the parking lot or something like that. Unfortunately not. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.880 This is the most uplifting and positive smooth moves of 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:33.040 what I think so well. Most all my other stories 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:38.000 are so tragic. I didn't think we wanted to go there, No, no, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:44.679 we Yeah, we could go either way, but that we're 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.040 we're for once, we're coming out of smooth moves. I 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.000 think we're not. We're not like terribly making fun of 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.760 anybody or or feeling sad about ourselves. So Rick, thank 0:12:53.800 --> 0:13:00.720 you for that. I'm gonna ask again after hearing that story, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.360 are you are you still unwilling to admit that burning 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.960 is lane? Yes? In fact, actually, you know what. That 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.480 story reminded me of one of the reasons why I 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.680 do love bird watching. The story touched on two things 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.040 that can save your ass if you're guiding on the 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.760 Yellowstone River, which is something that I've done a lot 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.120 of eagles and whitefish. I once I once had a 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.560 float on the Stone with a dude who was very, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.560 very into birding. And this is why I remember the 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.920 details on this. He was so stoked. He counted fifty 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.400 different eagles, both bald and golden, in a single day, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.480 and that was very lucky, and it was great because 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.960 the fishing was terrible, but that dude left happy as hell. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.000 And similarly, on that particular river, even when the trout 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.160 are just about impossible to find, you can always count 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.000 on the white fish. The white he has always come through. Sure, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.920 and I get that. I if if seeing birds can 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.120 somehow ad ad a spark to a slow guiding day, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.319 that's great. A matter of fact, my good buddy, Captain 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.600 Eric kerber Um, he had a group that they used 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.800 to kim for offshore birding every season and he would 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.280 get full price for a tuner run. All he had 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.160 to do, Yeah, all he had to do was run 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.920 fifty miles out, put out a chump slick and let 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.679 these people ogle all the different offshore birds picking in 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.800 the slick. And he was like, it's it's easiest money ever. Due, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.680 easiest money ever. We we we had bear viewing trips 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.080 when I was working in Alaska, and those are the 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.560 ones you wanted, man, because like that same deal, same price, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:25.920 you get paid the same All you gotta do is 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.760 drive the boat around and find the bears to sit 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.240 there and eat it twinking. But anyway, let's move on 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.000 to trying to flip each other birds in the battle 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:43.480 we call fish news fish new. That escalated quickly, So 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.640 before we start news, let's do a little housekeeping. And 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.080 I'm excited about this housekeeping because we've got a big 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.320 We've got a big announcement. Right, So since I joined 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.560 the Meat Eater team, a lot of you guys have 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.680 been like, hey, dude, when are you gonna get another 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.600 video series? Like where you've been? Well, I was out 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.120 shooting the first four episodes all last fall, and I 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.520 spent all winter cutting them and working with our badass 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.960 production team to whip them into shape. And guess what, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.400 the time has come. B Side fishing is what it's called. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:21.080 An Episode one is dropping next Tuesday on Mediator's YouTube channel. Yeah. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.120 So all those all those emails and d m s 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.560 and like skywriting and telegraphs that we've been getting, Actually, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.920 when's Joe's new shoe? We want a new Joe show? 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.320 Where's the Joe Show? We've been working on it all right, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.160 That's what I've been telling you. We're on now I'm 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.400 working on it. There were some unavoidable a cups, but 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.280 the time is nigh. So take all that energy that 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.000 you've been pouring into letting us know how badly you 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.320 want more videos from Joe and use that to now 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.160 tell everyone you know, all your friends, the rest of 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.640 the world's finally here and everyone should go watch it 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.560 because it's it's definitely got some bent vibe to it. Oh, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.680 totally that it does. It's got a bit of bent 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:05.000 hibe to it. And mostly explorers, Um, underappreciated fisheries or 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.200 odd ball fisheries in unexpected places, which is something I'm 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.320 familiar with doing. In fact, I'm kicking off the series 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.840 in dirty Jersey because it's kind of like the capital 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.440 of the unexpected, right, Like everyone seems to think Jersey 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.840 is a tiny rat race covered in highways. Um, you're wrong. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.720 That's actually Delaware without a stitch of open land. But 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.360 that's that's not really true, right, I'm like, you know, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.440 Jersey to the court, Jersey proud. Plus let's be honest um. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.880 Which was one of those hiccups. Talking about hiccups, was 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.720 was a very like stay local kind of year, Like 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.440 we weren't exactly jet setting all over the place to 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.640 film stuff in. So I'm like, here's what I'll do. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.120 I will start off in Jersey. I know it, well, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.840 yes you did, and and uh, I was one of 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.200 those people who just believed the media hype about Jersey, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.240 which isn't true. And I've learned a lot actually from 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.680 about Jersey fishing opportunities in the past few months. And 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.040 so will everybody who watches this. So new episodes will 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.280 go live on the Meat Eater YouTube channel every Tuesday 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.960 for the next month. And and since things are finally 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.320 starting to open up again, we are already starting to 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.520 shoot the next batch, starting to expand the range a 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.480 little bit, moving, moving outside of Jersey. Who who knows, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.920 I might even make a cameo in one, So we 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.680 expect expect to see more Joe Show launching later this year. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.560 You're you're all welcome anyway, that's great, go watch that, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.639 But we're here for another purpose. Moving on to fish News, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.680 a little reminder, this is a competition. Neither Joe nor 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.200 myself know what the other ones bringing the table, and 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.040 we're trying to compete for the love, affection and attention 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.720 of Filled the Engineer, a man who's personal hygiene is 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:59.080 above reproach this week. This week it is Joe's lead, 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.600 and I'm curious to see what you what you brought? Yeah, well, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.400 very excited about b side. Less excited about the news 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.600 stories I found this week, But that's okay, that's fine. Um. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.359 And and this first one here, I'm gonna admit that 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.760 I grabbed really for no other reason. Than it offers 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.560 me an opportunity to comment on and criticize a common thing. 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.080 I hear anglers say. All right, so this comes to 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.080 us from Syracuse dot com headline Angler's tail. I caught 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.200 a fourteen and a half inch goldfish and own a 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.199 Daga Lake with my fly rod, and it is a 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.159 tail so gripping. I'm surprised that hasn't already been optioned 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.239 by Netflix. I'm actually fasted that that. Had I seen that, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.240 I would have clicked on it because I have done 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.560 some goldfish fishing. So please continue, oh man, then I 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.720 might make you feel bad too by the end of this. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:50.520 So so, a few weekends ago, as the story goes, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.680 Joe Selliver was fishing the mouth of Bloody Creek where 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.240 it enters Ownandaga Lake. He was looking for bass and 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.600 carp but he also spied two goldfish, and, according to 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.439 the story, spent quite some time sidecasting a wooly bugger 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.399 on his foreweight to them with no luck. Okay, they 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.480 were just being just lockyall them gold That's been my 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.840 experience with the with the goldfish too. You're gonna I'm 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.360 gonna come out looking real bad here, damn it. It's fine, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.520 I'm gonna just keep going shit uh and Yester, when 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.399 he was about to call it quits, one of them 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.160 went full beast mode and ate the wooly bugger. Okay. Now, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.960 first bit of commentary which ties back to our discussion 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.680 um about the lure of the Palomino trout. Because I'm 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.280 convinced that if you see a bright orange fish, whether 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.040 it's a trout or a goldfish or whatever like, you 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.359 must target it. You cannot, you cannot leave it alone. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.720 And for most anglers, myself included, I would have probably 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.480 have spent some amount of time trying to catch these 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.280 goldfish if I saw them. Okay, So to get back 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.119 the goldfish is now committed, and I shall read from 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.280 the story. Sulliver said his heart was pounding as the 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.320 fish took a run up the brook that flows underneath 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.359 the owner Daver Lake Parkway and into the lake on 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.520 the northern edge of the Butterfly Garden. He said he 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.560 had the fish on for about ten minutes. When it tired. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.280 He solicited help of a couple who were there at 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.000 the time, walking with their two children and cheering him 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.040 on as he battled a fish. So here's my question. 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.400 I said this was gonna lend itself to a commentary. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.960 How often have you heard a fisherman tell you they 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.280 had a fish on or fought a fish for ten minutes? Right? 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.520 How often have you heard that like that? But it 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.320 does roll all the time. I find it to usually 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.800 be hyperbole. Okay, okay, because it rolls right off the 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.760 tongue very smoothly, right, And I always feel like it's 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.879 the go to whenever you're recounting what you believe to 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.440 have been an epic battle after the fact, like it's 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.680 like ten minutes you ever like you ever noticed that. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.359 Maybe it's just much fair. But like, listen, if you 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.240 get your phone out and you set a time here 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.560 for ten minutes, like to sit there like for ten 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.159 true minutes, and then and then think about it and 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.360 tell me how many fish you've caught that you legitimately 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.520 fought for a full ten minutes. And I'm certainly not 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.280