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Speaker 1: degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that thinks

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Speaker 1: birding is for people who just can't figure out how

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Speaker 1: I really don't want to agree with you. I don't

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Speaker 1: that's not entirely true. Look, how how do I I

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Speaker 1: way I look at this is if that fish were

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00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: so strong and cunning as you claim, why would you

425
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: trust some dude to hold your fly rod, Like what

426
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 1: if the fish went bulldozing often to the sunset? Again, like,

427
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: what are the odds that that dude would know how

428
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: to palm the drag and stop it? Anyway, Interestingly, the

429
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: story does note that Onondaga was once considered one of

430
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: the most polluted lakes in the country and that I

431
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: did not know. It has, however, been getting cleaner and

432
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: over the last few years. And what some experts in

433
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: the story you're saying is that the goldfish were introduced,

434
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, via tank dumps years ago, like they were

435
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: in most places, but because they're so hardy, they managed

436
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: to survive those years of heavy pollution better than a

437
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: lot of the native species. And while they are invasive,

438
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: New York d C doesn't think that their population in

439
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: Onondaga is particularly troubling, and they note that they never

440
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: really see small goldfish in the lake. The ones that

441
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: are there have been there for years, and when they

442
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: do get one in a net study or something, it

443
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: is always a freaking tank. So if trophy goldfish is

444
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: on your life list, it seems Unadaga Lake is the

445
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: place to be. I know you're making fun of this,

446
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: and I understand why because it's ridiculous, and I com like,

447
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: come on, I own the ridiculousness of what I'm about

448
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: to say, but I'm going to say it anyway because

449
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: I do. I do have personal experience targeting. But the

450
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: trophy goldfish. There's a there's a little suburban pond in

451
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: the neighborhood not too far away from here. This's guy

452
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: like pan fish and bass, and it's it's super fun

453
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: to just go there and kill a few hours and

454
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: catch some fish. Right. And one one year, this was

455
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: a while ago, we were out there just after ice

456
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: out and and messing around and just like you're saying,

457
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: you see this orange thing glowing, and like, holy god,

458
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: what is that? And there were just a few of

459
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: these eight to ten inch goldfish that we're living in

460
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: this little suburban pond. And we became a buddy bind

461
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: and I got a little obsessed. And and they are

462
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: their their cart man, they're really smart. They're really hard

463
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: to fool on anything. Like forget about the bass and

464
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: the pan fish, those things are dumb. The goldfish became

465
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: the prize anytime we went in fish there, and it

466
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: went from being this thing that we did a suburban

467
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: pod was like Oh yeah, I throw away. You catch

468
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: a few fish, you know, make a fish, fry whatever,

469
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,239
Speaker 1: kill a couple hours too. Like, dude, do you think

470
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to get like one of the

471
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: ten inch goldfish to eat today? And I know it's dumb.

472
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: I totally know it's dumb, but listen, it became this, this,

473
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: this search, and we eventually did to catch a couple

474
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: of them and it was super fun. It's not dumb.

475
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: It's just not news. Okay, Like, dude catches goldfish, Like

476
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: that's not news. I didn't call the didn't call the

477
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: Bosman Daily Chronic will be like I got a goldfish.

478
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: I know you didn't, But I mean I've done similar stuff,

479
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: like you know, love to fly fish for a carp

480
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: There's a couple of ponds around the way that we're

481
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: just loaded with COI. Obviously somebody put them there years ago,

482
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: like they're these wild lakes, but somebody dumped COI in

483
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: there and like just to screw around, Like that's what

484
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: you would go and target in these lakes. So like

485
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: I I get it, but I don't know anywhere that

486
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: has true goldfish that I've ever targeted. I'm not saying

487
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't throw a trout magnet at it if I

488
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: saw it, or you would, or what would. I'm just

489
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying on your local pond, you're like, oh,

490
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: look at that orange thing. O'm my gosh at that,

491
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: and then when it didn't eat, you'd get obsessed. I'm

492
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: willing to bet. But to having said all that, like

493
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: I think the I think the fourteen inches a little

494
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: bit of stretched. I question I have I have the

495
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: picture of it. I mean it's it's now, it's it's

496
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: squat dude. I mean like it's like it's like a

497
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: uber football. Yeah, there's a photo of it. But like

498
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: you ever seen those those those those those pellet head

499
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: trout or like coi that are just way not long

500
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: enough to it looks like where they wouldn't even have

501
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: the tailpower to swim, like they just like wattle through

502
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: the water. That's where this fish looks like. So I'm

503
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: not buying that. Like it took you up the shoots

504
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: into the butterfly garden pond, into the backing. I mean

505
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: it sounds perfect. Like that's that's my experience with them.

506
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: It's totally like a suburban scene, like they get the

507
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: kids walking in the background of the dog park. Yet

508
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: that's that's where you go to catch your your trophy

509
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: goldfish for sure, the big hogs. Uh, maybe that'll be

510
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: a b side. One day, we'll go goldfishing you and

511
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I would I would love to do that. I would

512
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: love to see your response to that. And I think

513
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: people would either be like, this is the dumbest thing

514
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, or they'd begrudgingly go, all right, that

515
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: looks like fun. I'm surprised there as hard as you say,

516
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: because compared to wild carp like goldfish nibble at anything

517
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: you put in the tank. I know, and it didn't

518
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: think they were going to be hard. We did not

519
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: think they were gonna be challenging. They pretty interesting. But

520
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I'll say this, don't This is not a good reason

521
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: to put goldfish into anybody of water. And if you

522
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: do catch them, take them out and kill them. That's

523
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: what we always did because they're not say sure, sure

524
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: isn't Yeah, I don't do that. Don't do that. Uh.

525
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: But this kind of parlays. I'm gonna switch over into

526
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: another um story about tank fish and ornamental fish that

527
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: people love and and this one comes to us from

528
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: Sora News twenty four in Japan, whose tagline is bringing

529
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: you yesterday's news from Japan and Asia today, which has

530
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: got to be a bad translation. I hope, but I'm

531
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: not sure anyway. The headline is, isn't it technically yesterdayre yesterday? There?

532
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Though today? If you're getting here that's valid. Maybe that

533
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe that's what. Maybe that's I see. They're just more

534
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: clever than me, so the headline. The headline is Japanese

535
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: police searching for men who stole one point one million

536
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: yen in tiny fish story. I thought about this one,

537
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't do it. I'm glad you did. It's

538
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: a good one. It's a good one. The primary story

539
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: here is about the theft of three hundred Japanese rice fish,

540
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: also known as medacadaca, are small fish native to East Asia.

541
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: To give you some frame of reference, uh, race fish

542
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: look a lot like guppies. They live in shallow ponds, marshes,

543
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: tide pools, and importantly race patties, where they have likely

544
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: cohabitated with humans for thousands of years. Madaca are extremely

545
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: popular ornamental fish and have been kept as domesticated pets

546
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and span since around the seventeenth century. They're hardy and

547
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: colorful by nature, but they've also been selectively bred to

548
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: increase their coloration, much like carp right. Certain strings now

549
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: range from like a creamy orange to vibrant yellow, red,

550
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: or green, and in recent years these fish have become

551
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: increasingly popular as status symbols, causing their value to rise.

552
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: Rarer breeds now sometimes self for huge sums of money.

553
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: A one inch fish can go for ten thousand dollars

554
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: ten grand for a one incher. I didn't read that deeply,

555
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Holy shit. If you can get the really the rare ones,

556
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: most of them aren't that, but like the really rare one,

557
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: this little guppy looking fish, ten grand guarantee they're feeding,

558
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: they're raising him and feeding him too. Bass in Texas

559
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: right now, I hope so. An unidentified fish breeder in

560
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Nakama City, Japan, had plans to open up a new

561
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: store called Meddaca Eka or House of Medacca, and he

562
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: was planning to open on March thirty one in order

563
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: to capitalize on this this growing rice fish craze that's

564
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: that's happening in Japan. He had been breeding various kinds

565
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: of medocca for months in open air ponds and everything

566
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: was going great. It was all on track for his

567
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: big grand opening of the new fish store when a

568
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: thief cut the perimeter fence at two thirty am on

569
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: March and scooped out about three hundred medocca from the

570
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: open ponds in which they were being reared. The fish

571
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: that this individual stole are worth between fifteen and fifty

572
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: bucks each. Okay, these aren't the super expensive ones, but

573
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: that's still a lot. And it seems like the fish

574
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: band was selective in choosing his targets. The expectation by

575
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: police anyways, that he knows the market. There's someone an

576
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: insider who was doing it. The whole raid was caught

577
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: on security camera and you can see, like it's it's

578
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: not great footage, but you can see the suspect creeping

579
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: around and like checking the tanks and figured out which

580
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: one he wants and then just like super definitely scooping.

581
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: He's he's got his fish scooping game unlock. He's he's

582
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: clearly done this before. The victim told Japanese media quote,

583
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I think of it more as a kidnapping than a theft.

584
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm more sad than angry, which strikes me as melodramatic.

585
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: H and I'm you know, the fish robbery's fine, that's

586
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: not the most interesting part of the story, Like some

587
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: fish got robbed. Cool, But this got me reading about

588
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: medaca and the fish themselves, which I didn't know about

589
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: until I found the story. And one of the reasons

590
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: that these particular fish are so popular has to do

591
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: with their legendary fecundity. In optimal conditions, they can reproduce

592
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: every day, no kidding, they can reproduce daily. Madocca were

593
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: the first vertebrates to successfully breed in space. A healthy

594
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: brood was conceived and hatched aboard the space shut of Columbia.

595
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: In their popularity as ornamental fish, you know, this kind

596
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: of really expect for their last story now jeopardizes the

597
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: survival of the wild mendocca because, as is so often

598
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: the case, right as we're just talking about people, people

599
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: release their unwanted pets, right and those ones carry the

600
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: genes that have been selectively bred, and those go and

601
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: hybridize with local populations. Fient of wild mendocca now carried

602
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: domesticated jeans and and the wildfish, which were once pretty

603
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: muted in color, are now turning out vibrant orange. So

604
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, they're pretty easy for predators to spot. They're

605
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: getting they're getting nabbed. It's not working out. Fascinating. Yeah,

606
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: and I got one final note on the stolen fish

607
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: before before we move on. Uh. Though the suspect remains

608
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: at large, sore A News claims that Yakuza involvement cannot

609
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: be ruled out. Apparently, Japanese organized crime known as Yakuza,

610
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: have recently been dabbling in the illicit fish business. Last week,

611
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Japanese maritime officers intercepted a ship and arrested the entire

612
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: crew after they were caught poaching sea cucumbers, which are

613
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: apparently referred to as black diamonds. Did you know that? No,

614
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that before. Now they've got massive value

615
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: on on the elicit trade market around Asia as food,

616
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: which I didn't know. And ce cucumber poaching has become

617
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: a significant problem in parts of Japan. The authorities now

618
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: believe that Yakuza are running sea cucumber rings. And here's

619
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: one last I gotta say. And this is pandering, I

620
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: admit it. But the captured boat was named the Going Mary,

621
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: a reference to a popular anime series One piece and

622
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that means, but I'm hoping

623
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: that Phil does so. Just a couple of thoughts, um I.

624
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I always laughed when when the Yakuza comes up, because

625
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: they're like this super secret Japanese mob. Yet every time

626
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Discovery Channel is doing some like looking for the Lost

627
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Ninja Sword or artifacts story, like they're on speed dial.

628
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Ands like we're sitting down with the Yakuza today, you

629
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's like all freaking time.

630
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: And also, I mean I hear you, like the dude

631
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: is being a little dramatic about kidnapping. But I'm sorry, man,

632
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Like just think about this, right, he was just basically

633
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: about to open a store called House of Madaca and

634
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: then somebody jacked all his madaca, So like can you

635
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: imagine like you were about to open a coffee shop

636
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow and then like somebody just came and stole all

637
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: the beans like the night before. I mean, yeah, like

638
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: what what? No? I feel bad for that guy. Don't

639
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but he was he was anthropomorphizing him

640
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a little hard for me. I didn't get in some

641
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: of the other quotes, but it's like they're more of

642
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: my friends than my pets like, that's a sad life. Dude,

643
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: you were gonna sell them, Let's be honest, I'll tell

644
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: you what they they'd also be valuable to certain folks

645
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: in Chicago. That's my that's my transition as bait into

646
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: this next story. And I'm kind of calling on our

647
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Chicago area listeners to provide more detail after the airing

648
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: of the show, because I know you will, because I

649
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: got a little education on power lining, and I'm a

650
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: little intrigued but also a little turned off. Do you

651
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: know what power lining is? I don't fill my ear.

652
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: I got nothing on. Oh man, Okay, alright, So I

653
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: had heard the term before, but I guess I never

654
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: really I didn't. I didn't follow through enough to get

655
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: a full grasp on on the technique until this story

656
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: popped up on w t T you News dot com.

657
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: And it's just a little news expose into this Chicago

658
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: born method of fishing where anglers fire up to fifty

659
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: baited hooks way out into the harbor with a fire extinguisher. No, yes,

660
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: and this is all perfectly legal, okay. From the story,

661
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: the fishing lines often have several hooks with bait, allowing

662
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: fishermen to wait for what could be bites from multiple

663
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: fish at once. The Illinois Department of Natural Resources sets

664
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: a fifty hook limit per person in early spring. Starting

665
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: mid to late March, power liners are angling for coho

666
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: and chinook salmon from the harbor. When Lake Michigan warms

667
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: up in the summer, the salmon will swim further away

668
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: into deeper water. Right, So I again, I've I've heard

669
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: about this, but like so, just like glancing blows, I

670
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: never really understood the mechanics. And there's a video with

671
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: this newspiece and the reporter is hanging out with this

672
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: dude florin Delano, and he has this jan kie steam

673
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: punk looking homemade contraption on wheels, right, and it's kind

674
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: of long ass barrel and all kinds of bells jingling

675
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: on it, and there's like conventional reels screwed to the frame,

676
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: and it's got like a huge spool of line, like

677
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: one of those thousand yards spools you buy to fill

678
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: like offshore reels, right, and at the bottom it's just

679
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: this industrial size fire extinguisher. And he explains you start

680
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: with eight to ten ounces of lead at the bottom

681
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: of your line, and then so you load that into

682
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: the gun and then that comes out on like like

683
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: a rubber line that connects to all your baited hooks,

684
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: and you just freaking open that extinguisher, just hitter and

685
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: it just fires the whole rig like three yards out

686
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: into the harbor. And there's there's no rods involved here.

687
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: This is hand lining essentially, right. And again I'm a

688
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: little hazy on the specifics of the of the rigging

689
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: and mechanics, but then it appears that like he just

690
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: retrieves this he's got it's like a surf rod with

691
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: a spinning reel, but just the butt section as far

692
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: as the first gather and guy just like a short

693
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: little and like that's what he reels in these these

694
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: lines with. And this is a thing, dude, Like this

695
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: is a known thing that happens in Chicago every year,

696
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: and it's it's perfectly on the up and up. They're

697
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: there are fans listening right now going like, oh my god,

698
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: I want to tell you everything about because I've had

699
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: people like say, like, dude, you should try power lining,

700
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and they send me like a picture of a fire extinguisher,

701
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: but like, this is not computing. I don't know, I

702
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: don't know what this means. Well, now now I get it.

703
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Now I understand, and and I'll tell you my favorite

704
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: part though. In this little video, he's talking to the

705
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: reporter and he brings in this little coho. It's early

706
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: in the year, so the fishing is not great yet,

707
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: but he brings in this little coho and when he

708
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: brings it in, every single line of his is tangled

709
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: and it is like the cluster of the century. Like

710
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: he's trying to be cool for the camera, but it's

711
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: gonna eat serious time righting the wrong long that this

712
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: man has created during his interview segment, I mean, it

713
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: is just lines going every which way and this one

714
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: little coho wrapped in nineteen hooks and like everything is

715
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: all tied together now. Interestingly, they also interview a woman

716
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: who runs a local tackle shop at Montrose Harbor in Chicago,

717
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: which is apparently power lining ground zero and the method

718
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: was actually it's been around since the nineteen fifties, but

719
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: back then, I guess fisherman would would throw lines out

720
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: with an anchor on the end and have multiple baited

721
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: hooks for salmon um and using the fire extinguisher to

722
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: blast bates. That's just a modern adaptation, but it's perfectly

723
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: on the up and up. And my thoughts are this,

724
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: there's obviously a scene here, like there's a culture, there's

725
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: a power lining culture. There's a cult of guys that

726
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: do this, and I think that's cool, right, I'm always

727
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: intrigued by these little scenes. But to me, like this

728
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: is this is for meat on the table only, like

729
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: other than enjoying blasting eight ounces of lead three yards

730
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: with a fire extinguisher, Like is this fun? Like you're

731
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: hand lining in three yards of line? They could have

732
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: a shipload of salmon? Like is that a good time?

733
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm I'm asking. I'm not being snarky,

734
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: like if any of you out there do this, set

735
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: us straight, like shoot an email at the band at

736
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: the mediator dot com and let us like what am

737
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: I missing? But power lining? Dude? My guess is that

738
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: the fun here is in the tinkering. It's to make

739
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: your shooter right. It's in the designing and testing and

740
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: setting up your your contraption for firing the lines. I

741
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong, people like no, no, that makes sense?

742
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: That could that would? I could see people really geeking

743
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: out on like, oh, you use the I don't even

744
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: know any I was gonna say, are the kid get

745
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: that home? Deepot? You gotta go to the deep deep

746
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: fires if you really want to get your distance, like

747
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I can see that being the part that's

748
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: really attractive. But my question is this though, does it

749
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: have to be a compressed error projectile or can you

750
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: use like I mean, could you use other things like gunpowder?

751
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about gunpowder. This is the

752
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: part I don't know. I mean, really, they're they're talking

753
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: to one dude, and I'm sure that's painting such a mind.

754
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: It's just like scratching the surface of the whole scene.

755
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen guys use bait cannons powered by

756
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: propane and stuff to like launch surfbates out and the

757
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: camel line is and stuff. So I'm I'm wondering, Um,

758
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: there probably are all different ways to to make your

759
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: your shooter. They're probably guy he's calling it a shooter

760
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: doesn't even know what's called to this. I don't know.

761
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys call these, Okay, right,

762
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: and you're probably right about about their being like a

763
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: little you know who. Stuff is better, But this dude

764
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, this was some cobble together

765
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: ship man. Like this dude was straight up trying to

766
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: get salmon. He even says like, even if you see

767
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: why caught salmon in the store, it's a week old,

768
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: Like I want the fresh stuff, so it's just like

769
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: whatever blasted out there. Yeah, you know, but I I'm

770
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: intrigued by the whole thing. And the lady at the

771
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: bait shop she's like, I sell everything you need for

772
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: power lining, but she can't sell the fire extinguishers and

773
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: she's not a lot to sell fire particular license. So

774
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna get a little lit up on

775
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: this and we will follow up because I want to

776
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: know more. It's intriguing. Fat I didn't. I was totally

777
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: in the dark. And now another best power lining to

778
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: fire out of freaking for goldfish, right, dude, done seal

779
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: It picked the dates, uh, sticking with the theme of

780
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: technology and fish. Um, you know, it seems like I've

781
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: gone away from this, but early on the show, I

782
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: was I was leading really heavy on stories about how

783
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: how fish shape technology and new products, like either through

784
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: bio design or repurposing fish by products to create new materials.

785
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: And I got. I will admit I kind of overdid it,

786
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: so I got away from those stories for little while,

787
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: so wouldn't feel repetitive. But don't think I've lost my

788
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: fascination with this topic. No, no, no, I have not,

789
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: and it will continue to resurface from time to time.

790
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Earlier this week, researchers from Memorial University of Newfoundland presented

791
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: a paper at the American Chemical Society proposing using fish

792
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: oil as an alternative to petroleum disolate in making plastics.

793
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: M Dr Francesca Curtain, the principal investigative studies, said a

794
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: fish oil based polyurethane could help meet the immense need

795
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: for more sustainable plastics. Lots of researchers are currently looking

796
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: to develop plant based plastic alternatives, but according to the

797
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: website Science Daily, these two come with the drawback. The crops,

798
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: often soybeans, that produced the oil require land that could

799
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: otherwise be used to grow food. So Curtain and her

800
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: team sought out a different, viable based material that they

801
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: could source using only currently existing waste. They're they're based

802
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: in Newfoundland, like I said, where Atlantic salmon farms are

803
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: a huge business, and so they decided to try oils

804
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: extracted from fish parts that are often discarded after the

805
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: fisher process. So we're talking heads, skeletons, and guts. Yeah,

806
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: the team figured out a way to turn the fish

807
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: oil into a polyurethane like polymer that doesn't use any

808
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: petroleum based materials. They hope to find real world applications

809
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: for this fish plastic, like packaging, fibers and clothing. In

810
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: case you're wondering, Dr Curtain told Science Daily quote, when

811
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: we start the process with the fish oil, there's a

812
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: faint kind of fish smell, but as we go through

813
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: the steps, that smell disappears. So you don't have to

814
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: worry about your fancy new fleece jacket smelling like fish

815
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: until you, of course inevitably wipe your fish slime coated

816
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: hands on. It won't start out that way, and you

817
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: can do yourself. And this all sounds well and good.

818
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm all four finding as many viable alternatives to plastic

819
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: as as possible. My wife and I actually struggle with

820
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: this weekly because we we know plastics have all kinds

821
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: of drawbacks, but they're also everywhere. Like example, last week,

822
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: our kids schooled in an Easter egg hunt, which was

823
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: lots of fun for the kids, and and our son

824
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: came home with this basket of plastic eggs filled with

825
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: shitty candy, and he was he was elated, right, he

826
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: was on cloud nine. And despite all that joy and

827
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: loving seeing how happy my kid was, part of me

828
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: was cringing picturing the future of those fake egg shells

829
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: that he enjoyed for no more than half a day.

830
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be the fun, hating crazy

831
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: guy who ruins children's holidays, being like, yeah, you think

832
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: that's fun, now, wait till it poisons a baby dolphin.

833
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like your Easter eggs so much then, Like,

834
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. I don't want

835
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: to ruin kids fun. These are just your standard They

836
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: open in half plastic Easter eggs. There's standard blastic Easter eggs. Man,

837
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: I just got stuck in my head on it. Right,

838
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: But he got to bring that so he got to

839
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: find the eggs and bring the eggs home. Yeah, but

840
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: then you use them every year for the next eight

841
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: years for your home at home Easter egg hunt. Yes,

842
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: I realized there are lots of alternatives here. What I'm

843
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: trying to like, I'm trying to communicate to people. Is

844
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: it like this is the thing that I overthink, right,

845
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: And I I'm not one of those crazy guys like

846
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: all plastic must go, you're killing the world. At the

847
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: same time, I want to think about plastics, and I

848
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: understand the repercussions. It's something that I think about from

849
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: time to time. Anyway, my point here is that if

850
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: we can start making I don't know, plastic easter eggs

851
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: out of fish waste, that's great. I think that would

852
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: be great. I would I would love to see that.

853
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: But I also have to wonder what happens that this

854
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: technology does take off? Right, you can you can find

855
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: enough fish oil to run a small little study on

856
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: the viability of this product from some fish farm waste.

857
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: But to scale this to the level required to meet

858
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: global plastic consumption, and that'll that'll require a little bit

859
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: more source material. And I just wonder. And the next

860
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: thing I wonder is like, well, what what what happens

861
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: if fish skeletons become a valuable commercial commodity? Like where

862
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: what do we the yakuza is gonna get on this year? Man?

863
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: A lot of you guys have written in and asked

864
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: us if we've seen C Spiracy on Netflix and we

865
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: are going to We have not watched it yet, but

866
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: believe me, but I sort of know the gist and

867
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that pops into my mind. That's great. Yeah. Look,

868
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what side of the argument on C

869
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: spiracy on I'm just saying in general because I haven't

870
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: seen it, so I can't pass judgment. But as soon

871
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: as you brought this up, that's what I'm thinking. That's great.

872
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: If this is an alternative to plastics, Boy, howdy do

873
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: we use a lot of plastics? And if it's that good, yeah, man,

874
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Like we're already worried about taking too many fish to

875
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: eat if we need them to make plastic, this could

876
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: be a very big problem. It could be a very

877
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: big issue. I'm with you on the spars. We My

878
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: wife actually talked about last night should we watched this.

879
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't want to be that depressed right

880
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: before bed. There's a lot to debate because I've already

881
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: read articles saying like this is bullshit, and so we

882
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: have to we will know. We gotta get with it,

883
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: all right, That's enough about you know, terrible news and

884
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: ruining the oceans and conspiracies and organized crime. I think

885
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I think, well, you know, there might be a connection,

886
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: not because we're going to go from here into into

887
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: the sale bin where a certain individual might or might

888
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: not be selling something or might just be trying to

889
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: lure you into into his backyard for other reasons. It's

890
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: a great one, and we'll get to it as soon

891
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: as we hear from Phil and see if your anime

892
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: deal worked. I thought that one piece was a reference

893
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: to a bathing suit and not a one piece of

894
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: treasure that will make you the pirate king, which is

895
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: what one piece is apparently actually about. So sorry, Miles,

896
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: your plan didn't work, but you win anyway. Congrats. Now

897
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: we just wait for Michael Mann or Scorsese to direct

898
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: the Yakuza fish crime movie and it will sit in

899
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: the pantheon of other fish crime movies like a Spenter,

900
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: a Pet Detective, and the fish called Wanda. I guess

901
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I also have a new excuse to you is whenever

902
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: I upload a podcast late, Phil, why was this late? Well,

903
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, Yakuza involvement cannot be ruled out. Why did

904
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: you put the hand to pay? You don't know what

905
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm getting man, what you didn't have to be so

906
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: hurtful with me so angry. It's time for sale, Ben,

907
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: where we tell you about a sort of fishing related

908
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: item for sale somewhere on the Internet like Craigslist or Facebook, Marketplace,

909
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: something like that, one of one of those those seller

910
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: to seller things we can find. It doesn't matter, really,

911
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: it's just the modern flea market in an electronic space,

912
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: is all it is. Exactly that is exactly what it is.

913
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: And this week's comes from listener Justin Martin. And the

914
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: truth is that this one almost slipped by me because

915
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: it's it's missing the most important asset for selling anything online,

916
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: a photo, like I need to see what I mean? Like, dude,

917
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: a Craigslist post with with no photo. That's like some

918
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: ninth ship man, that's like the beginnings of Craigslist. That

919
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: just doesn't work anymore. No, No, it's marketing one O one.

920
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: You gotta have you have some imagery there, But this

921
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: post includes no imagery at all, which is uh. It's

922
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: it's additionally strange because it seems like the seller actually

923
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: put some time into writing the copy, but this Craigslist

924
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: post he may have been blackout drunk when he did it,

925
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: but he definitely, like he definitely like crafted a narrative

926
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: that he worked on. And you think that at least

927
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: walk out and take a couple of crappy pictures to

928
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: boost the appeal, Like you're gonna put that much time

929
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: into it. Just snap a blurry photo like everybody else, right, Yeah,

930
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean the photos in these posts in general are terrible,

931
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: and I guess this stuff still sells, so just walk

932
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: out there and snap it. Good point, but I can

933
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: only assume what else? Can you think? This canoe that

934
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: he's selling looks so bad that he figures his best

935
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: shot at selling the thing is just going with the

936
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: verbal pitch, and once he gets you all the way

937
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: there to look at the thing, you might still buy it,

938
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: no matter what kind to shape it's in. Either that

939
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: either that or like you said, he's too drunk to

940
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: care if anyone buys it. And he spends his nights

941
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: amusing himself by writing up somewhat nonsensical Craigslist ads, which

942
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: I kind of admire, you know what I mean. It's

943
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: it's it's either admirable or really really sad. I'm not

944
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: sure which, And you know what, who, For our purposes,

945
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: we don't care, because we're not we're not looking to

946
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: buy the thing. We just want a good laugh. And

947
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: I gotta say, like, this post is just entertainment gold.

948
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: It is phenomenal. It's so good. It's so good. So

949
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: without further ado, we'll just read you this Craigslist ad.

950
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: Okay with it? With a few interjections were necessary, So

951
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: here we go. Okay, inexpensive canoe two dollars. This is

952
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: the time that tries a canoe seller's soul. Look outside,

953
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: Do you want to hop in a boat? Possibly tip

954
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: it over and freeze? Neither do I. But the shortest

955
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: day the year is behind us. The druids have celebrated,

956
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: and the days all get longer. And hold on, hold on,

957
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta throw a quick interjection in here,

958
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: because the next part, not the rest of it, makes

959
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: total sense. But the next part gets extra weird because

960
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: this post went up in January. So the next line

961
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense at all. But you gotta let

962
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: that go. You gotta suspend your your cynicism. Here, we're

963
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: here for the laughs. Just enjoy it, roll with it, Okay,

964
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: So he continues, Christmas is upon us, and Billy wants

965
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: a shotgun. Now I'm gonna interject, I'm gonna have to

966
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: stop there because I just have to throw out there

967
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: like I've been sort of noodling on like that, maybe

968
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: what would the next bent sticker be? And now I'm

969
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: suddenly stuck on a Billy wants a shotgun sticker? Like

970
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: I think I would put a sticker that says that

971
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: on my wares, on my trucker bolt. It resonates with

972
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: me in a similar way to the line Buster wants

973
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: to fish did Buster wants to fish stickers all over?

974
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: Because there was a group that made those wants a shotgun.

975
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: We'll worry about stickers later. I'm gonna back up so

976
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: you get the full effects. I'll start again here. Christmas

977
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: is upon us, and Billy wants a shotgun. I have

978
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: no problem with this. I support every person's right to

979
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: bear arms, of course, unless it's somebody who's really angry

980
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: with me, and believe me, there are a few of them.

981
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: If you buy Billy that shotgun, you are really going

982
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: to have to be really nice to him forever, because

983
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: who wants to have a gun battle with the offspring

984
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: or the ex wife could get ahold of it and

985
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: it's all downhill from there. Pause, pause, because I just

986
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: need to break down the rhetorical strategy here. Dude is

987
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: selling a used canoe, and in a very few short

988
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: sentences he's managed to touch on Second Amendment rights, murderous

989
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: ex wives, disappointing children at Christmas, but potential patricide, and

990
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: the fact that numerous people would like to see him dead.

991
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: He's gone way off the rails here. I just way off.

992
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm not like an expert in sales or anything, but

993
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like an effective strategy if you're

994
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: trying to sell it a new al right, continue, continue

995
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: moving on. So next passage, next quatrain. So get Billy

996
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: a canoe. This is a fine fifteen foot Colman, red

997
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: in color, no defects, no cracks, and a pleasure to paddle. Also,

998
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: there is no possibility of an accidental discharge. It's cheaper

999
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: to buy this fine canoe right now. That might be

1000
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: a lie, but who knows. The demand for watercraft is

1001
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: through the roof. Reserve your seat now in this fine

1002
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: Colman at a fantastic price. I am Jerry. Give me

1003
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: a call. Come sit in my yard, have a cup

1004
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: of tea and freeze with me. Oh and and that's it.

1005
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: That's the entire post. No photo, just brando right. And

1006
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: and those last few lines explain the whole thing for me.

1007
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't want to sell a canoe. He doesn't. He

1008
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: doesn't Jerry want Jerley wants a friend. That's JR. I'm

1009
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: guessing Jerry already tried the personal section what used to

1010
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: what they used to call it um casual encounters on

1011
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: craig List. They got rid of that, and Jerry is

1012
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: upset about it. He's one of the people missing casual

1013
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: encounters or or he just like maybe he took the

1014
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: same strategy into casual encounters that he took into selling

1015
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: canoe and it didn't quite we didn't. It didn't work.

1016
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: It didn't work, and he failed miserably. So now he's

1017
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: looking around his house trying to figure out what he

1018
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: can pretend to sell just to get some poor schmuck

1019
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: to come have a cup of tea with him. Oh

1020
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: my god, I you got me think now. I just

1021
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: wish we had copies of Jerry's personal ads, Like can

1022
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: you image with that? Son of Like everyone in my

1023
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: life hates me people, you know, I've never thought like

1024
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: can you look up a seller on Craig's list, like

1025
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: previous his post like there could be a book here

1026
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: with Jare Jared's I like to call him Jared. Jared

1027
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: deserves a book deal. I think that's uh, that's what

1028
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: we learned here. Oh man, that was good one. Thanks

1029
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: again to Justin Martin for sending it along. And if

1030
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: you find anything amusing for sale that's even vaguely fishing related,

1031
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: please send it to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

1032
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to call Jerry. I wish you would.

1033
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: I almost called Jerry. And and here's the one thing

1034
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: we did not mention in that I might be able

1035
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: to hang out with Jerry. Jerry, Jerry, he could possibly

1036
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: be a writer on this show. Okay, but I also

1037
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: bet Jerry's in the backyard birding. Uh Okay, So hold

1038
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: on pause, because if you're using birding as a euphemism

1039
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: for sitting in your yard drinking cocktails, which is clearly

1040
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: what Jerry's doing, I'm saying that's another point for the

1041
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: like a positive point for the birding camp. I can

1042
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: definitely see myself lounging on some patio furniture with a

1043
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: glass of buffalo trace just kicking back, staring the trees

1044
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: and and and saying things like hey, was was that

1045
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: affiliated woodpeckers? God dammit, you kids, shut up scared Dad's birds? Like, yeah,

1046
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: I can see that too. And the other thing we

1047
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: we found to mention um per Jerry's ppose he lives

1048
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: like just a stone's throw from me, by the way,

1049
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: like Jerry, he's kind of down the street. So we'll say,

1050
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: but again, just because you like to drink whiskey in

1051
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: your yard doesn't mean you like birding. So given the choice,

1052
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: I know, I know you would go fishing instead. That

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: is accurate. I would and uh. And to cap off

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Speaker 1: this lofty episode, I think we have to close with

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00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: an end of line about a winged lure that's kind

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00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: of similar to birding. What do you think it's a

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00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: good idea or stupid idea? It has remained steadily popular

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00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: with least some people for a very long time, and

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00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: it's it's recently become kind of cool again. Well it's

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00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: not loud enough. Lures get famous in one of two ways.

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00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: Either they catch fish or they catch anglers. I always

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00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: assumed that the crazy crawler fell into the ladder camp

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: It's one of the strangest looking baits ever produced, but

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: also one of the most recognizable and iconic. The Crazy

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00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: Crawler looks like a giant locust or maybe a mutant hummingbird,

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00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: a segmented cylindrical body with aluminum wings attached to either

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00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: side on hinges. How could you not be intrigued by

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00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: such a lure? How does it work well? A fish

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00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: actually eat it? And if so why? The Crazy Crawler

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00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: was originally invented by Jim Donnelly of ho pat coll

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00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: New Jersey in thees as the signature bait for the

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: Donnelly Lure Company, which never really took off. Heading purchased

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: the design in order to compete with a wildly popular

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: Arbi gas jitterbug. The Crawler is a top water bait

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00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: that rolls from side to side as it's retrieved. The

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: metal wings alternately reach out and grab the water, resulting

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00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: in an action similar to a swimmer doing the crawl stroke.

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: The grasping wings and rolling body produce a lot of

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: wiggle and leave an impressive bubble trail. Any fish in

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: the vicinity knows something's happening on the service and can

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00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: easily track the commotion to its source. Though the design

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00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: of the lures relatively complex, fishing it couldn't be simpler.

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: Whereas stick style walking baits like spooks require a somewhat

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00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: technical retrieve to be effective, crawlers are almost foolproof, just

1085
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: cast amount reel man. The holy Trinity of vintage surface

1086
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: bass plugs includes the Hula Pap, the Jitterbug, and the

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: Crazy Crawler. But while I have clear memories of my

1088
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: childhood fishing mentors chugging those first two baits across Calm

1089
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: Lakes at dusk, I can't recall anyone ever fishing a crawler.

1090
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: I remember seeing them in my uncle's tackle box, but

1091
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: I can't think of a single time I saw him

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: actually fishing. Now. To be are, my family wasn't big

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: believers in service bates in general, So the fact that

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00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: our little clan had no faith in crawlers doesn't meanlyy

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00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: don't work. Carlers actually have devoted fans who claimed these

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: baits listened the most exciting takes they've ever seen, but

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00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: they're still better known as collectors items than confidence bates.

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00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: I always thought of crawlers as the original gimmick lure.

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00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, people buy them. They've got hinges

1100
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: and metal wings. Joe's already given you his take on

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00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: the suicide duck, and I always thought the crazy crawler

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00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: fit into a similar category, but it turns out I

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00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: might be wrong about that. A couple of years ago,

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00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: I went fishing with Oliver and I if you don't

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00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: know him, Oliver is one of the most intelligent and

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 1: innovative anglers in modern fishing. He created the Big Bass

1107
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Streams brand and channel, and has been instrumental in demonstrating

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: how effective big swim baits can be for bass and

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: other freshwater predators. We've had Oliver on the show before,

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00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: and featured him on a couple episodes of Dos Boat

1111
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: bottom line. He's a fishy dude who's not afraid to

1112
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: try unconventional approaches or tactics, but he also doesn't use

1113
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: anything that doesn't get bit So he and I got

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01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: out together for an early fall mission targeting big pike,

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: and I expected Oliver to toss in eight to ten

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: in swim bait, but instead he picked up a rod

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01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: rigged with what looked like a crazy crawler on steroids.

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: The Hell's that? I asked him, Oh, this, he said,

1119
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: this is a prototype of little something I've been working on,

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01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: I called the Ryan Gosling, and then he flashed that

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: smug grin of his that usually means he's about to

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: completely outfish. He was something you know nothing about. The

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01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling looked very much like a gosling with metal wings,

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Speaker 1: and though it didn't light up the pike that day,

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Speaker 1: Oliver continued to test it and fisheries across the country

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01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: and elsewhere in the world. A few months later, he

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: sent me a video of the gosling getting gobbled by

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: a fifty three muskie and later, possibly even more impressive,

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01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: a forty eight inch murray cod in Australia that probably

1130
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: weighed seventy pounds. That pro type eventually became a production

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01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: lure from Mega Bass, though on a smaller size and

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01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: sadly without the Ryan Gosling name. The ie Wing one

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: five takes the central old DNA of the Crazy Crawler

1134
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: and updates it with features like an internal weighted pendulum

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: system and customizable wings for easy tuning, and Mega Bass

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: wasn't the only company to update the crawler style in

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01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: reason years. There are numerous wing service lures on the

1138
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: market today, including the smuggler from Chase Bates, which is

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: shaped like a parrot and is definitely a gimmick. But

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01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: all that leads me back to the ultimate question about

1141
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: these lures. Are they popular because they're actually effective or

1142
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: are they popular because we love the idea of watching

1143
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: a fish come to the service to eat something that ridiculous.

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01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: I know fish hit these lures sometimes, but are they

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: ever really the best option for a given situation. I'll

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01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: probably never know, but I misseduced by the idea of

1147
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: them working as anyone. And if I ever do get

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: a giant bass or muskie or murray cod or anything

1149
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: else to blow up on one, I could see myself

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01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: becoming a full on convert. And that concludes our ornithology

1151
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: lesson for the day. If you're filling out your bird books,

1152
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: key sightings include a reminder that guide should never ever

1153
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: guarantee anything. Some guy in Philly is using canoe sales

1154
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: as a way to phone a friend Oliver, and I

1155
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: definitely knows which bird is the word. And if you

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01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: drink enough cocktails in your backyard, you might convince yourself

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: you hear Neson months laughing at you from the chrees.

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: Please keep those bar nominations, sale bin items, awkward fishing photos,

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: news suggestions, and updates on your grandpa's hernia surgery coming

1160
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com. Yes, and

1161
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: also keep posting your heroic and or not so heroic

1162
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: shots with the hashtags Degenerate Angler and Bent Podcast on Instagram.

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: And finally, keep in mind today's words of wisdom from

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Speaker 1: Jerry Billy wants a shotgun.