WEBVTT - Varitek vs. A-Rod with Casey Affleck | Yankees vs. Red Sox 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.360 You play that younger brother that almost like annoying. Yeah, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.240 wyse ass And then with how Damon was playing his 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.760 character Dudley do right, you know, like you know, it 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.360 was a fun movie. It was great. But I leave here. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:20.200 I'm calling Matt like, bro, you're Dudley, dude, Jules says Dudley. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.680 Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.840 and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.040 the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.839 are covering the a Rod versus Vera Tech, Yankees versus 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:40.040 Red Sox from July two thousand and four, with actor, writer, director, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:45.720 and Oscar Winner and Boston legend Casey Affleck. Some of 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.479 these guys, they're probably nice guys. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.239 I don't know Pasada, he's probably a lovely dude. But 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.040 when I see his face, I just think, like, hey, man, 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:54.640 I hate you. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.120 We get into talking his new movie The Instigators on 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.080 Apple TV Plus. Movie shot in Boston, the. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.600 First time I went back to work in Boston. They 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.720 love you, They're great, and then on day two they're like, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.400 get off my freaking street. Wrong, the lights and the noise. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.120 And we also talk about what it's like working with 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:14.960 Rob Gronkowski on a film set. 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.560 His wingspan is like nine feet. I had to beat 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.119 him in ping. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.880 Pong though on the set? 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:19.600 Would you beat him? 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:20.880 Are you good at ping pong? 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:21.440 Yeah? 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.040 Then we wrap it up by the ranking of the 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.399 least hated New York athletes. It's been a it's kind 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.640 of a bashing of a New York legendary team. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.600 A little songing sweet stray Han straight hand. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.880 Drahan is a fucking lovable New York. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.880 It's hard to hate Strahan. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.000 Dude, He's good morning to America. You gotta stick around 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.120 to the very end. It's a fun episode. Let's Go 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.880 Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. July twenty fourth, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:54.040 two thousand and four, Fenway pot Boston, Massachusetts. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:55.559 I gotta give it that kind. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.400 Of give whatever you want, Give whatever you want. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.800 That's the reading. Yeah, that was Strong and the Idiots 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.720 versus the Evil Empire. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.880 Scruffy beards versus frosted tips, A century of bad blood 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:25.960 is finally boiling over. This is Verit versus Rod photover 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.520 Hey man, you got that. It looks like you got 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.400 this baby. You got gas over here, you got a 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.680 little two Seamer two seamer right there, Welcome to Games 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.000 with names, Casey. I appreciate you coming, and we are 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.960 talking about the A Rod versus Veritech Red Sox versus 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:47.200 Yankees July twenty fourth, two thousand and four game. Why'd 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.720 you pick this game? Well? 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.080 Look, I was at the game. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.000 This is game, this is this is mid season. Oh really, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.240 this is the mid season fight, which had a lot 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.360 of implications going into this season. It was like a 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.359 really turning point game for the. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.919 Right Okay, I was I was thinking a lot about 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:13.680 the game. Uh, the last game that they lost the 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.960 end sort of ended the curse, you know, Game three, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.200 then into game four when they first won the Game 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.480 four was the one that that we were I thought 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:23.720 we were going to be talking about. 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.760 We did that one with David Ortiz to let's talk 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.800 about we gotta talk about it. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:29.880 We can talk about all of it. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.960 I see, I say, I see this game. Yeah, it's 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.960 been a minute, so I can't remember. I remember this, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.360 these beefs and what a what a great year. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.760 Man. But into detail on this game. We'll get into 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.840 the details. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.280 We've got. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.160 But this like when you picked this game, or we 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.120 at least that's what I thought you picked. That's what 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.280 they told me you picked. We started doing research. I'm like, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.920 this dude's this dude's a real real because he didn't 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.600 pick that game that we're talking about in game three. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.160 You picked a game that kind of like this was 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.880 the spark for that to happen. Was the whole you know, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.080 last the year before where they lose an A A 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:20.520 L C S two seven games tossed. There was a 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.640 lot of beef going on. They bring in a rod 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.479 we lost or the Red Sox lost the bid to 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:30.039 getting a rod and the whole captain fight that a rod. 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.080 Can you imagine that bizarre world? A rod in Red 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.280 Sox Jersey doesn't seem right? 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.560 Yeah, it doesn't seem right now now, I bet it. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.240 I wonder at the time was he would he have 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.520 been happier there because he didn't like being moved to 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.240 third I know they like being next to the year. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.400 It didn't sit well with him. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.440 At that's a great point. Yeah, I wonder he would have. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.400 Been the big fish in a little pond here bubbs 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.520 in Boston. You know when you go out there, there's 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.800 a there's a certain way at being a Yankee. Yeah, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.520 that you have to swallow the ego because Jeter ain't 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.520 going nowhere, you know, and like there was already you 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.400 had Jeter, you had Mario, So you're like, you're already. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.480 It's kind of like when I came to the Patriots, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.640 you had Tom you had Randy Moss, you had Wes Welker. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.360 By no means was I even like in that category, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.839 But like, were you gonna who comes in to change that? Yeah? 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.000 You know, you got there. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.400 And that's a big thing because you have to you 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.280 have to join the team. You have to find your 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.920 way into the team. You know, showing up sometimes being 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.560 the big dog is disruptive. Yeah, the whole team that 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.480 has to adjust to you. That's harder to do than 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.760 than you finding your way into the system, which is 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.200 you know you you know well and you did. Yeah, 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.400 and a Rod, I mean, the New York Yankees have 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.279 a system, are known for like a culture, probably more. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.000 Than any any other team. Yeah. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.120 Say, and that goes back to the seventies when being 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.440 a professional baseball player, they weren't you were in stars. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.960 You didn't make a ton of money. Early before they could, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.039 they collectively bargain and they became made a lot of 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.640 money and became big stars. It wasn't like that. A 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.560 lot of those guys were working in the off season, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.800 is like selling used cars. They had jobs in the summer, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.680 and they were like on the Yankees. And then, uh, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.800 when dude came in bought the Yankees, he changed the 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.640 whole culture. And the first thing he said was he 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.840 was like, look to all the other team owners. He 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.360 was like, let's let them bargain collectively. Let's let them 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.200 they make more money, they become stars TV, the value 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.480 of this broadcast becomes much greater. We all are going 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.440 to make more money. All ships are going to rise 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.760 with that tide. So uh, he sort of opened the 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.240 door to that and then and it started to happen. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.799 But then he told everyone on the team, shave your face, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.279 you put on a suit and tie when you travel. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.240 Stuff that like in the seventies was unheard of because 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.400 those dudes were like they looked like. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.160 Me, you know what I mean. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.400 They were going out and partying at night. They're taking 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.960 this famous stories and them doing drugs during the game. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:07:02.039 I mean it was picture doc. Yeah I heard on LSD. Dude, 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.920 they've had so many have you seen that video? Incredible 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.880 it's fucking that should be a movie. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.080 It should be I mean him telling the story of it. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.120 He was like at home with his girlfriend. Wasn't even 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.280 going to the park and he had like. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:18.320 Two girlfriends at that time or or so in LA and. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.840 They're like, bro, get to the field. Yeah, you're pitching amazing. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:24.760 Now what's life looking like? Now? 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:26.200 Life's pretty good? 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:27.720 Man. I was standing. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.560 I was sitting in my son's room the other day 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.520 and I was like, he's sixteen, and I was he 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.720 was like doing his homework or something, and I was like, man, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.000 life's pretty good, is it. I don't know why I 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.080 don't have like those kind of conversations all the time 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.840 with their kids, you know, but I and it just 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.160 occurred to me. I was like, life feels really good. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.720 And he was like, yeah, life's good. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:47.720 It was. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.080 It was a nice moment. Yeah, And that's how I've 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.240 been feeling. It's like, you know, there's there's always stuff 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.800 you're dealing with, and in this industry is going through 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.600 a lot of changes, and I'm middle aged and going 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.320 through changes and stuff. But the last ten years has 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.640 been hard, you know for me, honestly. And suddenly I 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.640 was like I woke up one day and I was like, man, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.600 this life's pretty good. Either that or I just appreciate 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.320 it more, you know. Yeah, but things are feeling good. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.200 I get this movie coming out that we got to 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.560 do back in Boston with Matt Damon and Jack Carlo 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.680 and a bunch of people and the Instigators. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.000 Instigators. Yeah, we actually got a screen copy. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.680 We watched it nice. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.760 We watched it a couple of days ago, and you really, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:40.080 we really haven't had one of those Boston fun in 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.400 that departed role with the comedic dark comedic stuff in 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.280 a while. There hasn't been any of those in a while. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.760 And I enjoyed it. You know, anytime you're in a 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.000 Boston movie. You got Matt Damon there. You know, Gronk 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.680 makes a freaking show which was fun, which I talked 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.920 to him about. I had him over the house a 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.679 couple of days ago. He goes, yeah, I thought they 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.200 were gonna use me war. We'll get into that, but 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.240 hell on, you only pay a man hundred dollars scale, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.000 baby scale, baby trunk. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.079 Doesn't need a paycheck. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.600 No, But it was it was a really cool, fun 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:20.160 movie and action. You had a lot of cool stars 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.960 in it. And it was just refreshing to see it 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.040 because we haven't had a really Boston movie, like a 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.240 fun Boston movie in a minute, Yeah, thanks dude. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.640 Yeah, it was. It was fun to make, It was 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.960 fun to like. It was like most people won't remember, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.360 but there's a movie called Midnight Run that I loved, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.640 and I was like, I want to be in one 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.400 of those, you know what I mean. But I was 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.600 pretty sure no one was gonna like send me a 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.840 great buddy comedy script. That's just not the kind of 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.719 movies I've done. So I was like, let me sit 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.280 down and try to try to write one. And the 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.960 buddy of mine has already done most of a lot 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.120 of the work, and you know, for we spent like 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.080 two years trying to write something funny. Then we get 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.559 Matt and get all these other people involved and elevate 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.640 it and it works out. Yeah, it's a good like 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:03.360 summer movie. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.000 It really was like you play that younger brother that 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.959 that almost like annoying, like younger brother like you did 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.840 it in All the Oceans where you were like kind 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.800 of the smart, funny like get at your older brother title. Yeah, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.520 Wyse ass you play that like great, And then with 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.600 how Damon was playing his character Dudley do right, you know, 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.240 like you know, it was fucking It was a fun movie. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:28.839 It was great. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.720 When I leave here, I'm calling Matt Ue like, Bro, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.959 you're Dudley. Dude. Juelle says, you're Dudley. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.920 I see Matt once. I used to when I lived 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.040 in New York. I used to bride my bike over 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.720 the Manhattan Bridge every morning and I go box at 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.600 the Gleason's right there and Dumbo. I'm riding there. One day, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.360 I see fucking Matt Damon getting out of a car. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.040 I'm like, what's up, man. He's like, what's up, dude. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.839 I was like, I'll see you. It's just fucking the 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.080 most random thing ever. I've seen mad a couple of times. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.000 You never had him on the show. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.079 Han't had no, dude, He's kind of boring. Interview Were 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.079 Oscar winners on here? 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:05.240 Bro? 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.920 Bro come on, man, listen. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.520 When people come on to that, all they want to 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.319 do is ask you questions about the pats. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.040 Yeah, a little bit. But that's the fun part of it. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.280 Because our show is I always pitch it to people 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.640 like it's kind of like letting the listener or viewer talk. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.760 How we talk in the locker room with like people 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.280 that play or people that are fans of that, Like, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.200 this is how we talk in the locker room. We're 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.960 just talking shit, talking about things catching up, So I 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.959 mean it becomes conversational always. Like when we had we 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.000 had O'Neal in here and he's over here putting me 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.760 in a goddamn jiu jitsu head chop thing. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.080 I'm like, what the fuck could you take him? 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.000 Had? I mean, he's an older man now, he's an 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.400 older man, and I mean, what was it nineteen sixty six? 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.320 Four Touchdowns, Paul Hi Baby, Paul Kai for Bucket, Barry 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:03.200 Wood Children. I used to love that show. Jack Harlow 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.640 was in it. Yep, you had Jack, Yep, that was fun. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.640 How was it Working with was great? Yeah, he was amazing. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.200 I Mean usually when someone is like really talented in 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.679 one thing, you know, as a performer, they're gonna be 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.120 able to make that transition, you know. But I think 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.800 people are still surprised. You know, he showed up and 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.400 he was just incredibly prepared, really funny. He had a 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.040 full of ideas of his own. He didn't complain about 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.120 the paycheck, like Ronk. You know what I'm saying. He 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.640 just like comes and does his work. You know what 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:34.800 I mean, does his job? 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:35.480 Job? 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.360 Was Grog always worried about the check in the locker 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:39.880 room or what he. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.559 Knew the numbers. He's a math guy. Don't let don't 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.120 let him fool you. The dude is a math guy. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.400 He was more upset than he hasn't got any roles since. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.000 Yeah, he said he was waiting on the next call. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:51.680 He wants to be in whatever the next. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.040 When you have that sense of entitlement, you know what 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.480 I mean, Like people don't always want to call you up. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:59.959 I say it now, if Gronk was in the room, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.760 I would be talking. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.880 If Gronk was in the room, it just me you'd 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.840 feel a ball of energy. He's he's like the most 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.760 genuine dude, like out of anyone I've ever played with. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.840 I always describe him as just a big ass golden retriever. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:19.120 Yeah that makes kind of silly beauty, like cool loving. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.000 He's just a great dude, so good vibes, great vibes always. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.640 I had to beat him in ping pong though on 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:25.040 the set. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.040 Did you beat him? Yeah? 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.360 Yeah, really good. 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.880 I mean I'd be Gronk wingspan is like nine feet. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.240 He's pretty decent though. He's all right because you can 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.600 get over back and forth. Yeah, I wouldn't call him 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.280 one of the best on the team. Oh yeah, we 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.960 had rankings, really we did. We did. Gronk was dec 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.360 He used to He uses sand paddles, though we used 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.400 to use the hardware using No, are you using like 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:49.320 a padded paddle. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.240 I transitioned to the the real bouncing ones. You can 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.720 get more span and stuff. It's hard though, because the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.199 balls flying. So I played, you know, forty years playing 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.960 one way, and then I try to get step up 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.120 to these better padals. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.920 Those better paddles. Brings it to a whole nother. No, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.599 who's really Amndola's really good at ping pong, really spectacular. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.240 Like we That's what we used to do for four 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.160 straight years. We would go to work. By the time 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.720 we were done with all our ship about six six thirty, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.720 we'd go to his house, light a couple joints, play 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.440 pong and play pong for fucking five straight hours, compete. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:26.880 Damn. I wish I was on that team. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:31.200 Yeah, for like until like nine o'clock. It'd be like 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.760 four hours and then we go home, see them at 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.160 work next day. It was like like clockwork. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:36.520 Dude. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.080 I saw that the doc about you. I remember you 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.560 describing your daily routine not ending with you an hour 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.680 of yoga, eating clean, all your workouts. I remember you 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.240 talking about the joints you smoked in there that you play. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.600 That was so that was when Ammondola was there. So 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.040 on that schedule when I would go home and then 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.760 I would do a body work and then yo. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.080 Then you clean it up. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.080 I that or i'd leave time when he left because 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.840 he left. You know, I played played with him for 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.600 five years. You know, I played eight years without him 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.920 or six. I'm not a math guy, so I would 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.200 put video games in a category where it's like my 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.800 decompression time. So that was like scheduled in so I 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:26.360 could I played like Call of Duty, FIFA got into 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.920 Fortnite Train for a while. You know, for for an athlete, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.720 the video game system's awesome because it keeps you out 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.440 of trouble. Yeah you know what I mean. You know, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.680 I used to you know, go home, get my shit done, 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.520 and then I just wanted to play something that I 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.400 didn't have to think that I can communicate with my 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.560 boys from back home. I mean, we're all in the audience. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.320 So that's a form of communication with all your high 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.160 school friends. But like everyone now in the league, all 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.000 the leagues, they all play video games because you can't 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.360 really if you want to stick around for a while, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.280 you can't be out in the streets, you know what 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:00.640 I mean. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.160 So those games, they have a bad reputation, but they're 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.600 good for the mind and body to shut down and 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:08.360 have some fun. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.560 Sometimes if you're playing a sweaty ass, a little fucking 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.760 twelve year old, this kid is stimulating your mom, getting 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.000 pissed off, throwing controllers, Like, I don't know you were 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.400 in a headset, headset full headset, man, I don't know 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.640 about that. Who do you play ping pong against that 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.480 you like in your little circles? 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.200 Anyone? I mean, any movie. I'm on, we got a tournament. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.920 I'll start a tournament on instigators. 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:33.640 I won. The whole thing. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.760 Was like, it's you know, the whole crew, the whole cast, everyone, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.600 and I took them all down. I've done that in 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.440 several movies. 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.720 I used several movies, folks, several movies. Tournament champ keep 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:45.560 number one. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.760 My son can beat me now sometimes, which is sometimes 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.120 makes me proud. Sometimes I just have to like go 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.720 over there and ground by the neck and put him 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.760 on the ground, beat his ass a little bit afterwards. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.640 There's not a lot of people. Well they can beat 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.840 me man in my in my circle. But I can 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.960 see you. I see the wheels turning, and you're wondering 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:05.760 for what take me? 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.640 Well, you just said there when your sun beach. It 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.000 was a mix of kind of otion. I remember when 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.200 I first beat my dad in like one on one 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.760 basketball or like a race, like my dad used to 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.600 make me randomly race them. I got, We'd be hitting 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.240 ground balls. All right, let's go. I'm like, what are 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:23.480 you talking about. He's like, get on the line. I 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.879 want to see how fast you are. And until I 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.040 was like thirteen, or until I was like fifteen, I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.679 couldn't beat my dad. And I remember I beat him 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.240 for the first time. You know, it was one of 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.160 those things where it's a humbling thing for a man. Yeah, 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.639 I could see it in his eyes. Yeah yeah, But 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.120 he's he stayed with you. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.640 You got he helps you train a lot, like right 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:43.760 through the pros and everything. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.679 Man, I would go home. So he trained me a 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.960 lot in high school and before high school, like every 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.639 day of my life, like baseball, basketball, football. Then I 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.040 would go I went to college, and then I would 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.359 come back home and he'd always, since we weren't together 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.000 as much, he would sit up and think about these 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.240 crazy ass fucking drills for me to do when I 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.159 would come home. Yes, so he'd have like the soccer 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.600 goal post because I was a short quarterback and I 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.119 had to throw, and he'd make me drop and do 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.400 my throws over that post and I'd have to get 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.760 that ball up and over it. He'd be sitting there 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.440 and he'd line up all these like these pads at 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.160 like your twenty yard out, your ten yard out, your 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:27.040 five yard out, your skinny post, your deep post, your 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.280 slant route, and he would tape PVC pipe and put 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.080 a bucket on it, and he'd make me go through 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.439 the whole tree. And he would sit there with a 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.320 fucking broom trying to hit my ball. So I would 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.600 you know, like, you know, he was just this guy was. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.680 At Were you indulging him or did you like it both? Yeah? 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.480 I mean we used to butt heads, but you know 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.679 I needed that stimulation. I'm an add type guy kid 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.720 at that time, and so like he knew that, and 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.280 he knew what buttons to push, and he knew when 0:18:58.280 --> 0:18:59.960 to take it to the next line to like piss 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.159 me off, and I would get pissed off, and he 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.200 knew that I got better when I got pissed off. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.840 So there was like a lot of like Jedi mind 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.480 trick shit going with my dad. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.600 Did you go through years where you resented him like 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.560 that you felt like too much pressure for him? 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.360 No, because I left, you know, when I went to college, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.920 I didn't get it as much. And I saw once 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.480 I left my dad and he wasn't around, I was 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:29.359 doing the things that he was teaching me by myself. Now, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.240 Like I would do those dumb drills where I would 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.840 set things up and I wouldn't leave until I hit 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.879 them all, you know, because that's where you gain your 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.440 confidences through your preparation. And I learned that through him, 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.840 you know, and and anywhere I got to at a 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:49.879 next level, the baddest dudes, the best guys, were the 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.000 guys that were always the prepared guys doing the little 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.480 extras and stuff. And so I always tried to incorporate 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.040 all that stuff, and I became kind of like him. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.600 You know, I was notoriously known for like my ball 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.960 drills in the morning at New England. I'd get there, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.639 you know, five point thirty, hit the tubs, six o'clock 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.720 in the morning. I'd hit up when you know, it 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.040 used to be double J's and it became Jimmy Neutron. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.320 Then it became Bobby balls. Our equipment staff guys, and 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.400 I'd have like a little combine for them to see 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.959 who could throw, and I'd have them and I adopt them, 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.480 and we'd go and do like five hundred balls tennis 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.800 ball drills before the day started. Just yeah, just so 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.920 you can get your eyes dilated and have a good 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:28.440 work day. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.399 Wow, did you know At what point were you like, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.959 I'm gonna make the pros. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.679 I didn't. It wasn't until I housed a punt in 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.240 in Philadelphia and leaking Financial Field my preseason, my first 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.240 preseason game. Is that's when I felt like I could 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.840 play with the pros. Now. I was always the guy. 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.120 I was always a very confident guy. I always felt 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.600 like I was the best guy in the field anywhere 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.960 I played, to the point of until I got to 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.440 the NFL. It wasn't until that time, because I played 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.760 a different position, there's always another guy that was supposed 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.480 to be the guy. They never really talked about me. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.560 There's talked about my deficiencies. So I was always kind 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.320 of that guy. M So sometimes I don't know if 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.600 you believe it, but you're so trapped in trying to 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.840 prove people wrong that you're not thinking about I wasn't 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.720 thinking about that. I was just trying to I'm fucking 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.720 better than this guy. You know. I was dealt with 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.119 with what was on my plate at that time, you know. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.920 I mean the way that people to think of you, 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.280 like your story is sort of at least for young people, 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.080 like I coached my kids in football and soccer and 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.760 stuff and was like the guy who never was on 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.280 the fast track. People weren't going like, yeah, you're the 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.000 you're definitely gonna make it, you're the superstar, You're gonna 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.320 be the thing. But you persevered and you kept going 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.560 and you kept going, And those are the most important 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.639 stories for those kids, you know for sure, because a 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.480 lot of them are like they don't feel that way, 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.520 you know, they don't feel like he's always going to 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.520 be some kid you get in some tournament, even if 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.000 you're the best in your league, you end up some 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.239 tournament Vegas and just get destroyed by the kids from 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:10.200 Arizona or whatever. 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:10.399 You know. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:14.760 So there's always those moments where you feel like, oh, damn, 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.679 there's a lot of people better than I am, and 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.200 if they don't have someone to point to and think 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.840 of as like that guy who ended up being that superstar, 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.000 he also was that way too as a kid, you know, 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.040 then you lose hope. So you were always someone that 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:30.880 like the kids thought of. It was like, I don't 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:32.200 be like that, dude, you know. 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:38.560 I appreciate that. Yeah, when did you feel like you? Never? Never? 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.240 I never felt like I was never treated like, oh, 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.679 this kid's gonna be success. Anytime I was in a 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.159 room with people that were very successful, the attitude was 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:49.560 kind of like, what's he doing here? 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:50.160 You know what I mean? 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.080 Like, hey kid, you know you must be happy to 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:53.000 be in this room, you know. 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.320 And I felt that, Yeah, I keep going yeah. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.320 And I And it was It wasn't always. It didn't 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.399 always make me think, yeah, man, I am here, Like 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.440 didn't fill me with pride and confidence. A lot of 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.520 time it would knock you down a bit and make 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.200 you go like, man. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:09.359 I'm not. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.879 I'm really like they must there must be something about 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.840 me that says I don't really belong in the upper 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.919 tier of people. And wherever my field is, you're you know, 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.399 sometimes I show up like I did Ocean's eleven, you 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.400 know what I mean, like all these big stars in it. 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:28.800 And there was a big dinner the night before we 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.520 were gonna start, and one of the producers said, you know, 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.320 I hadn't even met him yet, you know what I mean, 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.480 like movie, and he was like, nice to meet you. 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.080 You're very lucky to be here, and I was like, damn. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.000 I was just starting to feel like okay, like I 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.800 can compete, I can play with these guys or whatever, 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:48.280 you know, But forever there was someone there to remind me, like, 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.960 you weren't really destined to be this at this level, 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.560 you know what I mean. And I started to enjoy 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.560 that because I would think, like, Okay, you think I'm 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.840 lucky to be here. I know it's it has a 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:01.879 lot to do with my own like grit. You know. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.280 I didn't take no for an answer. I kept going 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.439 it wasn't handed to me and I wasn't born with 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.720 the like face or the this or the that that 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.240 says this guy's a movie star. So I would start 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:19.360 to reframe that sort of semi rejection as a compliment, 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.199 you know, of like what I've been able to achieve. 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.000 And so even when I was like nominated for like 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.760 an Academy award or win one, it was still like 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.840 people would say, like the outsider, you know what I mean, 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.879 Like they would call me certain things, is like the 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.560 long shot, the this and the that, and I'd be like, okay, good, 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.320 I'm a long shot. Okay, I'll take it, you know 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.359 what I mean, I'll take it. Yeah, So I started 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.240 to enjoy it, but it's still that way. 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.280 You know. Do you think that that thought of what 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.879 you feel that people or those experiences that you've had 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.239 has made you the way you are now? Is that 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.400 why you've attained your success? Because that's the same shit 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.679 I felt where, you know, like I you'd have the 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.160 guy like when you said you're at oceans and people are, oh, 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.159 you're lucky to be here. I remember going on a 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.639 recruiting trip and they brought in all like the studs 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.360 of our high school, and they like pretty much went 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.840 to everyone else and they didn't go to you, and 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.879 the like that's what fucking fueled me, you know, or 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.800 or the motivation of you know, you're not supposed to 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.840 be here, or you're happy to be here, but you 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.119 made it. It's kind of like, you know when someone says, oh, 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.199 how tall you are? How tall are you? You know? 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:33.120 Five ten five nine five ten, it's pretty pretty cool, huh. 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.119 Get the battle against those six foot six dudes and 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.640 still dominated. You know, it's the same kind of shit. 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.159 It's crazy, but dude, you you managed to be that 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.360 and still have the attitude like you were a spark 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.360 on that team. You were really fun to watch man 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.000 for people. I was talking to my dad on the 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:51.840 way over here. I was like, yeah, I when I 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.040 go over and talk to the Chiels, and he was excited, 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.240 and I was like, I was like, man, this is 0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:01.600 eighty eighty four and my my son fifteen. Like that's 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.280 a big range for a fan base. Man, Like you 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.200 have people who loved to watch you because you I 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.600 think I get loved playing and like you. Sometimes you 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.560 be miked up. I don't know why they miked you 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.920 up so much, but you were miked up a lot, 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.200 you know, and you could hear like the way he 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.800 talked to the to the other people, to the you know, 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.400 the other players on both teams, and it was like 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.480 a dude loves being out there, loves playing the game, 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.440 and it made it so much fun fun to watch 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:30.399 a time, like the Pats are always fun for me 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.720 to watch, But there were some years in there where 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.160 it was like it's a slot. Even when you're winning, 0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.480 it's a slog. It felt like we're on a mart 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.480 Like if we don't win, then it's a disappointment. But 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:45.040 when people hate us, you know, it was always like, yeah, 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:47.119 we're gonna remind not like it was like there a 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.119 few tense years in there, and but you were fun 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.719 and you made it fun. So not only did you 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.119 persevere and be like have to prove yourself, but you 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.960 seem to like carry some joy for the game. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.439 I appreciate that. You know that that means a lot 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.760 because I did love the game. I still do love 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.639 the game. You know, it ultimately brought me everything that 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.440 I've had in my life. But I do have other interests. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.320 Do you love acting? 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.560 I love acting. I don't always love the business of movies. 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.400 You know, no one loves the business of what they're 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.679 passionate but that's what makes it the work. You know, 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.239 if you didn't have like I hate you think I 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.199 hated fucking negotiating with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft for 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.240 these dog shit fucking contracts, you know, and being owned 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.560 up for all the but you still love the game. 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:38.360 You weren't doing that negotiating. 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.959 When you get older, you get older, you start, I mean, 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.320 you learn the ways you. 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.280 Would get into it with them and the knocking the 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:46.600 door and be like, yay man, I need to know 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:47.200 zero on that. 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.320 Well. Bill used to corner you so like if there 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.479 was some you know, if you're if you were talking, 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.680 if your agent and the GM Cassario or whoever's handling 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.760 would there's like a stalemate of where we were at 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.240 a Jels, just come over here for a second. You know, 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.040 we talked to you in the cafeteria, sit you down. 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.800 And he did that to me a few times in 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.879 my career when I was young. I'd be like, coach, 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:11.720 you know, I'd play the dumb card. I don't know 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.200 what you're talking because he's a smart motherfucker. He trapped 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.200 you into something, you know what I mean. I'd like, 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.200 I let my agent do that. Coach you know, I'm 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.640 just worried about football. You know, by the end, I'm 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.879 going up to Cassario saying, hey, I need five hundred 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.639 grand more from these incentives because this motherfucker's getting pay that, 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.879 so you better put that in there. You know. It 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.800 was different, But yeah, I understand. You know, you have 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:36.560 a love, but it's all the outside ship that makes 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:41.160 things work. Yeah, it's not working. I played football for 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.880 free if it wasn't for all that bullshit. You miss it, 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.800 I do. I just I start to miss it more. 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:51.280 The better my body feels. Are you healing, I'm pretty much. 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.320 I mean I'm as healed as i'll be. I have 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.560 a lot of deficiencies through you know, twelve surgeries and 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.680 all everything that I've had throughout my career, and you 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.120 you know, you feel stuff here and there, but I'm 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:06.680 not in like crazy pain. But the year after I retired, 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:09.960 like the year I retired, I mean, I had a 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.040 tear in by the root of my meniscus and like 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.840 I was thirty four turning thirty five, and they asked me, 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.400 you know, like do you want to get this thing done? 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:23.880 It's a twelve month microfracture surgery, and like thirty four, 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.320 I got three Super Bowls. You know, I was like, 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.440 fuck it, I'm gonna play the year and we'll just 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.680 rehabit and I'll see how I can do it, you 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.520 know what I mean. There's gonna be some pain. You 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.320 could just deal with it, go out and play that year. 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.080 And it was like such a grind to get to 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.880 the game, you know, Like, and I'm a practice player. 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:49.720 I gained confidence through the practice execution. Practice execution becomes 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.720 game reality. So like that's where the shit talking, that's 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.160 where your confidence comes because you've seen it in your 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.240 head already. You've done it. You've seen the bad looks 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.280 the good looks. And I couldn't practice hard anymore. I'd 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.880 get two reps of practice and then I'd go to 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.880 the water tanks and I'd condition in the water, and 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.320 it just became such a grind that I ripped up 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.640 my ribs and that first year out it was like 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.920 I hate football. You know. It just became because there's 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:26.320 a there's a standard that you you've earned through your 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:31.080 consistent play through the years, and when the time you 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.280 start seeing that you're not that guy on the film 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.800 and you're in pain, it's just it's it's a it's 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.280 a hard thing to do. It's a very humbling thing 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.200 to do to go through. And every guy goes through 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.000 it in our in our business, you know, we're we're 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.680 the wheels aren't going as fast as they used to go. 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.200 Father time catches up, and it's just one of those things. 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.040 It was tough the first year. Second year, I'm starting 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.200 to feel better. Things are healing up, you know. And 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.280 now I'm going into year three, year four, and now, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.800 like you know, I'm out playing soccer lily in the backyard, 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.040 kicking stuff, doing a little footdrills, like I think I 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.200 could do this right now, you know what I mean? 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:13.840 But you always miss it. 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.160 I'd imagine that even if you you ran your career 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.400 out and you were healthy, you ended, you know, you 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.520 went out just when you wanted to how you wanted to, 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:27.760 that you would still crave that, like the competition, you know, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.479 just organized sports. I mean I played through high school 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.240 and I still when I turned like thirty, I was like, man, 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.600 I really miss organized sports. Just going out with dudes 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:41.320 playing competing. I miss it. You know, I don't know 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.240 what what do you do like for that? 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:47.200 Do you now? I compete with myself. I'm learning new stuff. 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.000 And you get a lot of that competition through your kids. 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.840 You see when they're learning new things. They're doing soccer, 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.240 they're doing tennis. You know, I get to see it 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.960 and watch them with their coach and you see their 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.560 progression on something they've been working on for a long time. Like, 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.920 I feel like that's the most excitement I get now. 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:05.840 And it doesn't even have to be in sport. It 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:07.720 could be in reading, it could be mad like that 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.840 is the new competition. And then I've picked up boxing. 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.520 I started that a couple of years ago, and really 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.240 thinking when you're tired and and and learning something that 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.080 I've never I've never done in my life, you know, 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.680 see how that progression's gone. That that's where I get 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:31.600 some competition out. I started golfing a little bit, you know, 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.000 it's like everyone does that, right. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.960 So you you're friends with Wohlburg a little bit. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.479 How has he in the ring? I haven't fought him 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.600 yet yet. Yeah, I'll take him. I mean I might 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.640 have to take him down. I'm thirty eight. He probably like, 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.280 I don't know, you guys all look young, all you 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:55.080 Hollywood folks. Man. I read there you're you're forty eight. 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:56.720 I thought you were like thirty two or something. 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.880 Yeah, Wolburg's fifty three. You could take him, bro, He's. 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.240 On a one hundred thousand supplements and he gets out. 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.160 Three in the morning, praying for an hour, fighting for 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:06.560 an hour. 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.320 Wahlberg would be a tough one. He's a good golfer, 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.280 is he He's a really good golfer. He's a good dude, 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.960 he is. He's He was actually one of the first 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:21.200 dudes out of the Boston like acting community or whatever. 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:22.800 He popped. 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:23.960 Huh, he popped. 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.320 He popped off early like that in high school. 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.560 But he also when I was a nobody in New England, 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.239 he invited me to his house once out and here 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.400 in LA because he heard I was out here. And 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:36.560 he was just a cool dude that like kind of 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.479 was like, yeah, he let me hang around and and 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.400 kind of gave me some words of advice before you started. 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.960 Before I was yeah, I was like a special teamer still, 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.560 oh nice, So he was. He was pretty cool. He 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.000 you know, invite me to stuff and he just a 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:59.760 cool lass dude. Me fucking now, it's a crazy story 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.440 that So I roll up to I go and get 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.560 this acting coach out here, this acting coach Lee, and 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.000 I roll up there one day. I'm sitting there and 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:14.680 she's like going to her back a little like EIGHTYU 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.960 And I'm sitting out there and she goes, oh, can 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:19.920 you wait up one second, I have one of my clients. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:21.840 I'm like sure, Yeah, this is the first time I 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.080 ever met with her. I'm like, I'm nervous as fuck. 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.840 She gave me some homework. I'm thinking about lines and stuff. 0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.400 Now I got to put weight. Now, I'm thinking like, 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.120 maybe she's doing this on purpose, maybe she doesn't have 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:36.000 anyone there. Gave it me a little bit roll op 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.160 in there. It's fucking casey, Like what the fuck? And 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.279 so we kicked it off for a little while. We 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:47.160 talked for a little while, and then the next day 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.680 after our session, she gave me more homework and she 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:54.480 gave me a fucking scene from Manchester by the Sea. Yeah, 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.839 the one at the boat dock when you're with your 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.480 nephew and he's like busting your balls about keeping the 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.600 boat and I was, I was doing that, And the 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.000 next day I went, like the week after I walked in, 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.880 I was fucking nervous as fuck that. I thought she 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.760 was gonna make me run lines with you or something 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.719 like he's crazy, what is she thinking? And it's just 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.799 it was fun. That's when we really first got to 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.480 meet dude. My side of that story. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.359 I was sitting there with her and I'm like, she's like, well, 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.040 I gotta wrap it up. I get someone coming in. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:23.279 I was like, who are you coming in? 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:23.839 Oh? 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.640 I was grilling and she's like, oh, just someone a 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.400 new client. Didn't want to say, protecting your privacy. And 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.000 I was like, I'm not leaving me. Who's coming in? 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:32.920 And she told me and I was like, now I'm 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.200 really not leaving. I'm staying here till dude gets here. 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.879 And I waited and then you came in. I took 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.920 like half your time. I was like pappering you with questions. 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.719 I was like, I'm not leaving at my time with 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:45.440 my man here right now, I got a lot on 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.960 my mind. So we stayed there and then I went 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.719 back like whatever. It was a few weeks later and 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.520 I was like, I want you to schedule me before Jewels. 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.880 Whenever Jewels is coming in, I want to be there before. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:57.640 So I got some more things I want to ask 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.759 him she was like, no, I can't do that, dude, professional. 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.040 She's she's the best. She's such a she. She's taught 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:06.719 me a lot. And I only worked with her a 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.200 little time because at that time that's when I landed 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.480 the job with Fox and so then or no with 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.279 Tea with Inside the NFL, and so I put that 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.239 on hold because I was starting to get nervous for 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.600 like talking in front of the camera and all that stuff. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.640 So I didn't get to see her. I haven't seen 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.000 her as much as late, but you know, she's she's 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.560 a cool teacher that takes a lot of the time 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.799 to learn you and then learned your motivation, what motivates you, 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:35.840 and and and she was able to explain things like 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.399 I always remember, acting is not about right or wrong, 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.160 it's about belief or not poly or something. She would say, right, 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.200 do you do you believe her? You do not believe 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:47.520 you know. And she's just an interesting lady that I 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.399 enjoyed every bit with. And I got to get back 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:50.680 to her. 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.719 Yeah, sure, she's very smart. She's good with that. Like 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.600 I didn't go to I didn't go to theater school 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.759 or I didn't go to drama. You know, I never 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.560 did any of that. I never had an act to coach. 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.919 And then I and then I went to her one 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.719 time just because I had something to do that was 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.239 like too much lines. I'm getting old. I'm like, I 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.480 just got to sit with somebody and run him. And 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.240 I met her and she had great advice. She's really 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.759 really good and everyone, like I know a lot of 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.520 other people I've worked with her and there she makes 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:18.959 them better. 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:19.879 Yeah, she's good. 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.920 You would be a good actor, dure. He's still interested 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:23.480 in doing that or you just want to do it 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.120 for like when you gotta do commercial. 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.200 No, I would be interested. I just have an insecurity 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.880 of being the person on set that doesn't know the line, 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:34.719 Like it's like not knowing how. 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:35.879 Any insecurities at all. 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:38.960 I don't know, Like that's the only thing I get 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.160 nervous about is that kind of stuff. But I would. 0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:47.600 I'm definitely interested in getting it. He gronk, he's funny. 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.640 We did a We did a we did a parody 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:54.360 of fucking Goodwill hunting for the schedule or release party, Gronk, 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:59.120 wash your brother. I was Matt and Ernie Adams was 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.759 fucking h Williams. Huh. So it was it was a 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.160 fun thing. And Rob was like, I get so excited 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:05.640 when I have to do lines. I sit there and 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.799 I just like practice them for six or seven days 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.279 by myself. I love remembering, Like that's that's Rob, you know. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.520 Let's get back to the instigators. So movie shot in 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.080 Boston takes place in Boston, a lot of north shore 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.000 or south shore all around, because it was Quincy and stuff. 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:26.399 It's beach. Yeah. What's it like shooting a movie when 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.840 you go back home? Is it? Is it a hassle 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.279 because of people that you know? Or do you like 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.000 doing it? Because I remember when I go play games 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.359 in like the Bay Area or in California, I gotta 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.879 get forty tickets. I gotta deal with you know, yeah, 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.759 you're really you're here for work. You're here for a job. Now, 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:44.279 how do you handle that when you have to go 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.719 back and shoot something in you know, upper Northeast. 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.480 Well, in this case, you know, more people want to 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.919 go see Matt. So I'm like, you know, talk to Matt. 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:54.920 I'm sure he'll get you, gets you on set, you 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:56.759 know what I mean. They're like really, I'm like, yeah, 0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.520 go ask him, man, look you up. But I think 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.839 that like the first time I went back to work 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.520 in Boston. You know, they love you, They're great, They're like, 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.719 they want you there, they want you shooting, and then 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.440 on day two they're like, get off my fucking street, bro, 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:15.319 the lights and the noise, and then you have to 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.640 endure the next fifty days of them like poking holes 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:20.120 and your tire and you know, they don't want the 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.239 trucks there, they don't want the shit, so they're not 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.080 they You know, a lot of movies go to Boston, 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.759 and Massachusetts has been really good for the industry, and 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.440 we've been good for the city, but like the people 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.399 there understandably get sick of having movies coming and going 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:39.239 constantly in their neighborhood. I love going there because I 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.520 would rather live in Boston than be living out here. 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.439 So I get to go spend a few months there 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:49.200 and it's not like going to Budapest or Pittsburgh, like 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.920 someplace that's different, you know, where you don't know anyone, 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.239 and you get to be home. Everything's familiar. So I 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.520 love it. And when I come up with projects, I'm 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.279 always like, we can do this in Boston. I think 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.400 you said yeah, So I love doing it. But on 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.000 the other hand, like a lot of people I knew. 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.319 I've been gone for over thirty years, man, so a 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.040 lot of people I know are gone. It's not like 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.919 I don't have to not forty people knocking on my door. 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.520 You know, it's just a few. And but I love 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:16.319 I love doing it. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.719 And do you have a house there? 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:23.440 No, you stay at a hotel, staying at my mom's 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:27.960 one time, yeah, and uh did or you just get 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:29.040 an apartment or whatever. 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:30.160 Yeah. 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.120 But it's nice that you get to go see games, 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.120 like all the teams you want to see, you're there, 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.080 you get to go. I used to work at Fenway, 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.480 so like going home, I always go back there. It's 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.680 like a core memory those years of every home game 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.000 working at Filway Park. It's like my like eighth grade 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.760 into high school. It's like, so that's the first stop. 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.560 And then then you make the rounds and see all 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:52.520 your favorite places. 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.239 And with food spots, any food spots, ship Man. 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.800 Food spots have changed, as you know, the city changed 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.719 so the last like especially the last ten years, it's 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.200 like everything's different. A lot of those restaurants gone, just 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.440 the old places you go. You know, Leo's Sandwich Shops 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:11.320 is gone, you know, and like, but I'll go, uh, 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.880 I hit my Indian spot, Maharajah. That's the best Indian 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:15.400 in the country. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:15.759 Let's go. 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:16.600 Baby. 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.759 Santuca has good rumin over there Newberry. I think that's 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.760 what it's like, fifteen years old on Newbury Street. Yeah, 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:24.560 off a Newberry one. 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:26.520 That's where all the fancy people hanging. That's for you 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:27.120 roll around. 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:29.800 I mean, I'm going to Southe. I go to Reno's 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.279 in East Boston for some good lobster ravioli. You go there, 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.400 there's really good. Who least goes in East Boston. My 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:41.480 favorite Mexican that's been there for a while. Leone's over 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.000 in Summerville for some fucking sheet pizza. Oh yeah, I 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.399 used to like going there. Pinocchio's and Cambridge, right. 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:52.600 Yeah, that's where dude dreamed up Facebook, you know, Yeah, 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:53.200 that's right. 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.960 One of my favorite things about The Instigators is the 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.479 areas of Boston that we're shotting, because usually, like Boston movies, 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.120 it's like so North End or all these but like 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.640 you even Sparler but chasing like in. 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:05.719 His alley in Back Bay. 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.120 Yeah, and how you like utilize certain parts that are 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.480 just generally not seen in Boston movies before it was cool. 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:14.600 Oh nice, Yeah you had the police. Is that where 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.880 you were at? I live in the back Bay. I 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:20.880 lived over there for eight years. I lived in Foxboro. 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:27.200 My first six lived in Foxboro, Foxborough, Plainville, Rentham. 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.120 Those are the towns that we would play in high 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.560 school but otherwise never go to. 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:32.040 Yeah. 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.320 I just didn't know anyone out there for no reason. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.799 Yeah sticks, I mean there's some good food. The Plainville 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.160 Deli was always good. It was a little Italian deli. 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:42.400 I'll still go back and check that. 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.720 Are you support when you joined the team? You supposed 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.280 those up like a rider passage. You gotta go live out. 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.600 At the no, But you're not going to live in 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.719 the city when you're trying to make a team. I 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.239 mean I had roommates until like my fourth fifth year. 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:59.520 Like I mean, no furniture is like mercenary life. Pizza 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.440 boxes as your fucking Shanevreen used to order Domino's. We 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.480 would just stacked the boxes, use it as like a 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.160 side table and shit, you know what I mean. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.200 Like, dudes, think of anyone who's in the pros and 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.040 any sport as having made it the rich. They loaded, 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.440 especially now when everyone shows up they do they like 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.960 dressed to the nines, showing up at the park or whatever. 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:21.720 But like that's not the case. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.040 No, you know, you know, I would say sixty percent 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.920 of the team is you know, making a league minimum, 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.840 which is great money. But you got to think about it. 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.959 At that time, it was like three eighty five, three ninety. 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.560 You know, you don't even know if you're gonna make 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.719 the team. You got to make the team to make 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.600 that three ninety, or if you're on practice squad, it's 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.640 a hundred racks. You know, you're getting one hundred grands, 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.960 so you know, there's a lot of moving parts. You know, 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.560 you could be on another team. You know, you can 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.000 get traded. It wasn't until I felt like I had 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:57.440 an established foundation of equity with you know, the team 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.640 in the area that that's when I went to Boston, right, 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.280 you know, And it must have felt good. It felt 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.680 really good. And I enjoyed going home. I remember my 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.280 first four years like I was literally in the backyard 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.680 of the stadium, like you just it was a fucking grind, 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.440 you know. I enjoyed the twenty five thirty minute drive 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.400 in the morning, reverse commute so you didn't have bad traffic. 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.640 You know. I enjoyed that. It'd wake me up. It 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:23.759 helped me get ready for the day, start the day right, 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.560 and I could handle like my personal life on the 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.680 drive back. Yeah, you know, on the phone, because that's 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.480 the only time you catch me is if you know 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.279 on the phone, I'm in my car or on my 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:33.960 arm chilling. 0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.160 You worked hard, man, You were focused. 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.319 Very focused. I mean I had to. It wasn't good 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:40.960 enough not to be. 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.040 Yeah, you were good enough. 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.120 So guys I could just slap it out there. 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:47.960 That's not really true. 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.440 Well they don't stick around long, but there's guys that 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.520 can fuck around, have one, two, three good years. You 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.719 don't have a real yeah, and then things catch up, 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.680 injuries happen. You know. It's a lot of prevention type 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.440 stuff that you gotta you gotta take your body's your temple, bro. Yeah, 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.600 and that that thing, especially nowadays with all the technology, 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:07.480 the information. 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.799 I wrote a movie once about these two back to 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.640 the Yanks, these two Yankees in the seventies who I 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.520 don't know if you ever heard this story, true story. 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.800 They traded wives, yes. 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.120 Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, wife swap. 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.120 Not only a wife swap a family house, category dogs. 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.040 Every they traded lives in the middle of the season. 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:33.000 They went out like it was like Swingers style, like seventies. 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.919 They were like, hey, let's like trade you know, one night, 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.840 like let's swap couples or and then it kind of stuck. 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.600 They stayed with it, and then they kind of one 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.080 couple really fell in love and the other couple was 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.080 sort of into it, but it didn't work as a relationship. 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.839 But then this is this was when journalists didn't talk 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:57.759 about the private lives and athletes. That was taboo. You 0:45:57.760 --> 0:45:58.920 didn't do it, you know what I mean. And the 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.279 journalists traveled with the team, so they all knew them, 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.800 and they all knew they were around the party, and 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.759 they knew all the stories Mickey Mantle, wild stories, but 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.040 they never reported on it, and so what happened was 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.880 interesting story. They this was going on for a while. 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.279 They were like living in each other's houses, taking care 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.560 of the other person's kids, the whole thing. And the 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.279 Yankees weren't doing so well. The Mets that year were 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.560 playing great, and one of the it was like the 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.440 daily news, someone decided they pulled their person that usually 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.600 covered the Yankees from the locker room and they went 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:39.400 to travel with the Mets and someone else got cycled 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:43.040 in and it was a woman. And the Yankees said, 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.719 we're not going to have a woman covering the team 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.680 in the locker room. It was like just straight up sexism, 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:52.720 and they blocked her. And she heard about this story 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.640 because everybody knew about it, and she was like, okay, like, 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.439 I'm not going to be allowed to cover the team. 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.560 I'm a woman, I'm gonna how about I just write 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:05.080 this story, wrote the story of this, of this what 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:09.839 was happening, and I'm simplifying it all and this then 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.000 the story broke, so now everyone is and now all 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.239 the other journalists feel like they have to cover this 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.000 story too because they got scooped, and they're like, this 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:19.600 is kind of a weird story. I guess we better 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.000 write about it, even though everyone knew, like you're not 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.759 supposed to talk about the private lives of athletes. And 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.800 then and then it became a national story. Johnny Carson's 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.560 telling jokes about it every night, you know what I mean, Like, yes, 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.160 the Yankees better cancel family Day that kind of stuff, 0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.239 you know what I mean. And they're like and then 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.799 it sort of became like a lot of pressure on 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.560 these guys, and they one of the couples broke up, 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.359 and the other couple stayed together. They stayed married, had 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.640 their own kids, stayed married all the way until the end, 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:51.960 until that player passed away a few years ago. But 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.719 in the researching that story to write it into a 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.920 movie that I learned I talked to all these journalists 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.239 and who were at the time covering the Yanks, and 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.880 I learned that, like what their lives were like, and 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.280 even for the best players, it was not They weren't 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.640 rolling high, you know, they were like trying to make 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.759 ends meet. Even guys that weren't out there partying through stuff, 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.200 they were still just trying to like pay their mortgage, 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.200 you know what I mean, even when they're performing really 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.640 at the highest level. So it's only till just like 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.120 the eighties, when athletes start catting. I don't know if 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.080 it's the same for football, but definitely in baseball it wasn't. 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.480 It was just still kind of recently that people started 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.640 becoming you know, millionaires and stuff. 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.920 What do you got, jack, Yeah, crazy? The daily News 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:40.479 never misses a chance to throw a little like pot 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.040 shot in the headline here. So from that story back 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:46.800 in the seventies, two yank pitchers trade wives Peterson and 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.440 kekch hurl changeups. 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.120 They never miss a chance for a bad joke thinking 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.759 about the wife swapping. Fucking Chappelle show. 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.680 The Black Cup for the White gul Oh my god. 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:08.759 We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's go 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.839 back in a time. So this is a segment where 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.399 we go back around the time of the game when 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.200 it was played, and we talked about a little bit 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.040 of pop culture. This was July twenty fourth, two thousand 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.640 and four. Number one movie I Robot. You ever see that? No, 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.520 it's Will Smith right Apocalypse one? Oh? Is it? 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.080 It's like a robot legaristic? 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:28.680 Is that I am legend? 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.480 Legends him is apocalyptic robot? 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.280 Is Maybe this Bridget? 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:35.240 Yeah? This is Bridget? 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:37.480 Oh this Bridget's bridge one in Robot. 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.520 Okay, Okay, Tom Brady, there we go. 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.640 Number one song, Leave get out right? Huh? 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:43.680 Too cool to come on the pod? 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:46.120 Too cool to come on the fucking pod. Who wouldn't 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.360 come on, Tom fucking Brady TV? Wouldn't show up? I 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.759 mean not yet, man, not yet. 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.560 We've been left at the Oh my god, it left 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:54.839 at the. 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.040 Altered it was worth six. I don't know. 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:02.040 I guess he's so busy with everything, being in the 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.800 world's number one Bachelor of the World. Great team dads. 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.360 Fucking you know you're getting ready for TV. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:12.280 This that time for a roast yeast? 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:14.800 I heard that paycheck. I I'd make time. 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:15.720 For that too. 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:20.319 Oh number one song Jojo Leave. You remember that song? 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.280 Boston Girl, Foxborough. 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.839 High Leave, Get up, right up. 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.080 I was trying to make sure we get we cleared 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:32.480 the rights. 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:37.520 Motorola razor, release the phone. Do you have a razor? No? 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.200 I had. I think I was like a junior in 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.719 high school. Right here the razor. I had a black 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.959 razor flip phone. I thought it was sick. Shake Shack 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.359 opened its first location. Burger Fan, big deal fan. 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:51.960 Are you vegan right, I've been a vegan for twenty 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:52.399 eight years. 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:53.319 How you liking it? 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:54.359 I'm good at it? 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.799 Yeah all right? 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.120 Yeah, you feel better to put a little bit of 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.480 meat on me. It's hard to put on muscle, but 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:05.120 but you stay lean and stay healthy. The idea, Yeah, 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:06.960 come on over, man, come on over. 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.480 I when I would play I would do like vegan 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.400 three days I do like three days where I wouldn't 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.279 eat meat or i'd have Yeah, what was the idea there? 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.840 When I was trying to lean up for like a 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:23.520 photo shoot or something, wud be like men's health or something, 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.480 I thought, yeah, you know, try to get try to 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.560 get yoked. Oh she's twelves drops in December. 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:31.799 Yep, I never saw it. 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.800 You never saw I heard. So you don't like watching 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:35.280 your movies. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:39.959 I don't love watching my movies, and those I didn't 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.319 even really like. I shouldn't say that I didn't like 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:43.920 those movies. 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:44.440 I didn't like this. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:45.879 It's just not my kind of thing. 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:46.719 Yeah. 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:48.640 Have you never watched good one thing? 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.320 I saw a good one thing? Yeah, just because. 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:54.239 Why do you? 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:56.279 Why? What was that? 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.280 I took some notes time, like watching film. 0:51:58.480 --> 0:51:59.839 You know, when you're the MVP. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.200 In the super Bowl, Dude, it's like I hate that 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.280 over and over You're like, hey, I look at that catch. 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.200 I'm watching him, like, you know, a lot of other 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.200 people have manipulated what you've done, and also you just 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.239 have to live with what you've done. I don't know, 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:14.960 it's like here, you're done your voice on the answering 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:15.560 machine or something. 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.080 I just don't like it. I don't like watching like 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.480 rewatching our shit, even though I do it with the 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.319 coach sometimes just to kind of see where I can get. 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:23.919 Back to watch these. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.040 I don't watch these, but like my TV stuff, I 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:27.239 don't like watching these at all. 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.680 But yeah, can they give you media training for this? 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:31.759 Teach you what you can say you can't say for this? 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.360 Yeah? No, this is just we own this. This is 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:35.959 where we produce this, right right. 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:37.840 And we also just cut the stuff. 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:42.480 Yea. My Space was a social media platform. You remembers, 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.759 did you have my Space? Didn't You didn't jump on 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.360 my Space? So you're a little older. 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.239 See what was happening in two thousand and four is 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.400 I was having a kid, so I wasn't paying attention. 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.600 To Are you stressed my desks? Yeah? 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.640 I was like what is? I was a young dude. 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.960 I had a pregnant girlfriend and I was gonna have 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.360 a baby. It was the best year of my life. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.640 It turned changed everything for the better. But I wasn't 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:09.239 getting the new Razor or watching Jojo or starting my 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.400 MySpace you know, fan base. 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:13.560 And you could have had so many cool pictures of 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:14.760 your new baby on MySpace. 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:16.839 Oh my god, moving around that top eight. 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.400 I was a junior in high school growing up in 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:23.319 Silicon Valley, so like all those things were at the heat. Yeah, 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.920 bet of everything Facebook, it was crazy. You mister popular 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.440 in school. No, I wasn't mister popular. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.600 You're the QB. You're a good looking dude. 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:33.960 Yeah, but I was like an undersized kid still. I 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.719 wouldn't hit puberty until I was like eighteen. I was 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:38.720 like five to two until like my senior year. 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:39.680 And you were still five. 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.239 I was five. I was five to two. I was 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:43.759 like five to five my junior year. I was like, 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:45.960 I sprout up to like five eight my senior year. 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:49.040 I started playing quarterback my sophomore year. I was late. 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:50.800 You made up for the late in life. 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.399 Let's go into the sports world of two thousand and four. 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.879 The College Football National Championship LSU. Is that a save 0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:59.239 in LSU? Uh? 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:01.399 Yes, I belie if that was the one saving one 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:02.680 for the Tigers. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:06.360 College football guy. No, No, I'm Boston. See that. It 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:08.160 goes to our town, that goes to our ship. We 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.319 always talk about always. I grew up in the Bay 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.840 which is very similar to Boston, where we're a pro 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:14.840 sport area. 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:18.200 Yeah, but when you have great pro sports teams, it 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:19.360 takes a lot of the energy. 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:28.280 Yeah, Super Bowl Champions, New England Patriots. So you guys 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.640 got to be starting to feel some juices in Boston. 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.920 Oh hell yeah at this point, you know, socks are 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.880 knocking at the door. Patriots got a couple. Where does 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.399 that bring us in the hierarchy of of Boston sport fan? 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:45.239 For you, in the sports baseball, basketball, football. 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:50.200 I grew up baseball, Baseball is number one. My dad 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.760 was a huge football you know. It's where he probably 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.320 made more money betting on football than he did working 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:55.680 at the. 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:56.680 Bar as far as hell. 0:54:56.800 --> 0:55:00.200 Yeah, so he was. It was always football for this guyst. 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:01.799 I. 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:04.280 When I was a kid, I skated hockey. I skated 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.960 with Bobby or one time. So I so, but I 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:10.520 I lost interest in it and too small, got beat 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.600 too many times, I get and I didn't like it. 0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:15.399 Like baseball better. So that's that's our rank. 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.799 And basketball was last. Was like, yeah, that was I 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.359 gonna do? Soxtown guy. I mean, I. 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.280 Loved Celtics, but I didn't I couldn't play. 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:25.840 Yeah, I get it. 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:26.960 What did you play in high school? 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.000 Baseball? Baseball? Okay, play some baseball. 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:31.760 Let's go baby, Yeah, let's go baby. 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:33.480 Stores baseball team in the state. 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:35.799 The only way I made varsity. 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:37.040 Would you play with position? 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:38.360 I played shortstop? 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:39.000 Oh, let's go. 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.520 I still and I came When I missed it, I 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.640 was saying, I missed playing so much. I came out 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.200 here and I started a baseball team. We played the 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.960 LA Park and Rec League Heart Pitch, and then we 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:50.759 play yeah yeah, And then we played in the Wood 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:54.920 Bat League Beverly Hills Wood bad League twenty fourteen City Champs. 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:56.239 Let's go down. 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.560 So I kept playing, and then until just a couple 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.120 of years ago when I had sergeion elbow. 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:06.000 You gotta hit the soft pitch, slow, slow pitch softball. Now, dogs, 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.480 they're fun. I used to be a ringer with my dad. 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:10.920 I used to go play on his team because I 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:12.719 went to junior college for years, so I was still 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:15.680 at home. Yeah, he'd hit me up on Wednesday nights, like, hey, 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:17.560 let's go yeah, we need you. 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:19.400 Up. 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:21.680 Hit bombs now. 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.000 Wait two thousand and four, though, can we just talk 0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.279 for a minute about the about Game three. I was 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.360 at Game three in New York. Matt and I actually 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.960 we were there. We're sitting on third baseline, only people 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.920 in Yankee Stadium. This is two thousand and four. Uh, 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.120 we are down that game. We lost that game, so 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:42.000 we're down three, right, Am I getting it right? 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:42.600 Yeah? 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:46.560 And a rod is there a third? And I don't 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.480 think I've ever had this happen. I've been through a 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:53.080 million baseball games and been loud, and I've never had 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.920 the players acknowledge me. And dude, we're there the only 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.879 people I think wearing Red Sox hat balls and move 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:05.200 in Yankee Stadium and I'm being loud, and eventually Era 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.839 looks over right at us, just stares it, gives a 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.920 look of like like it's just a mosquito that's been 0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:13.520 in his ear all night, you know what I mean, 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:17.600 Like hate, you know, just annoyance, hate and and uh 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.600 and then he goes back to the game. It's one 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.720 of my proudest moments as a fan. As a fan. 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.680 And then when we lose that game, that's the last 0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:30.160 game of the curse. I like to think that we 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.640 broke the curse. Then it's the first game in Boston, right, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.840 which is Game four, That game which I said, I 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.560 guess Big Poppy on to talk about or whatever but 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.640 I I have I know a lot of people talk 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:43.560 about it, but when I was thinking about that game, 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.400 I was like, the most interesting thing about that game 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.560 is how and he wouldn't say this probably is that 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:52.160 unremarkable it actually was. It was like, no, it was 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.600 no historically good performance on the mound or at the plate. 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.200 It was like their guys are slumping Avertech was kind 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:02.760 of everyone's they'd kind of slumping. Who is it? Second 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:05.120 he had a few like yeah. 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:05.040 It. 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:09.520 No, it wasn't. 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:10.200 It wasn't. 0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:13.040 It was a couple of like infield errors. It was 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.280 like not a great game that It was like, it 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.400 wasn't a shutout, it wasn't a blow. It's just that 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:20.320 they went back and forth like they had the lead, 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:21.000 We had the lead. 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.240 They had the lead with the extras too, I think 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:23.760 a little bit. 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:25.919 And then and then in the ninth inning they bring 0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.720 in a bear and the only unusual thing that happens, 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.280 other than it being like we're on the brink of 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:35.200 falling apart of losing the season, is that he walks 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.080 the lead off at and then it was like that 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.760 never happened. And then things started to turn, and then 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.040 it was ste and then we then we tied it 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.400 up and then it went over. But it only went 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:46.480 like a few innings. 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.959 Mark Behorn, Mark Beorn. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.520 Bell Horn and Bariteck were both slumping, and then bell 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.920 An a couple of errors. Good dude, good player, bad game, whatever, 0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:57.840 and then and so it was kind of like a 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:01.800 nothing game. It's only in the context of the one 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:05.160 hundred year picture of what was happening. Then it becomes 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:07.520 a great game because you know, pig Poppy hits it 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:10.160 out doing the game that was. But he's doing that 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.680 that's even not even that uncommon, you know what I mean, 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:14.479 Like how many times did he had to walk off? 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.120 So Ortiz gets to walk off as a big celebration 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:21.120 and they stay alive. But it only becomes an important 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:24.400 game because it was the first game that starts the 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.400 next seven where they just fucking goo, they just run it. 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.720 So that's why I love that game, just like every 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.400 day baseball in a weird way, and it's just a 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.920 big picture story of it that makes it awesome. 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:38.440 In another one of those games, Yank Classic Yankees Red 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:40.320 Sox takes about four hours. 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:42.120 It's a war of attrition. 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:44.680 No one leaves. Stadium is still packed, but you're right. 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.920 Then there are those moments where it like switches and 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:47.640 becomes his story. 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:49.919 Who was it Derek Low? Where'd it say? 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.080 Is it Derek Low? Would have been in Game four? 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:59.480 The one we came back was that was Derek Low. 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:04.640 Yep, Derek who was not like was not being given 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:06.600 for some reason. I feel like he had something to prove. 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:10.240 Oh yeah, well was it was he dropped or something? 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.080 He was like pissing, but he was. 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:15.240 I mean, he was absolutely insane that postseason run. 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:17.120 Let me see what it was. 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:19.680 But he only threw a few He gave up a 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:22.080 few runs. He only threw like four or five innings. 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:24.000 I don't know if you have the stats, but it 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:27.280 was all kind of like, man, like, where's this going? 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.760 Did you go any more games? After you went to 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:32.439 the Game three? He didn't see the rest. 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:33.800 I didn't see the rest. That was the only one 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.720 I could get to. And and I had a brand 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.640 new bait. My son was born May thirty first, two 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.960 thousand and four, so I had a I remember, We're 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.680 in this tiny apartment in New York when they won. 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:47.440 I'm watching on TV. Kid is sleeping. My wife, doesn't 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:51.040 my girlfriend care about baseball? She's it's one room bed, 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:58.800 TV kitchen. I'm like silently like she's like, what is happening? 1:00:58.840 --> 1:00:59.360 Shut up? 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:02.800 You know the sleeping. I was like losing my mind. 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:08.880 Who's your first call? Your dad? I think you got it. 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:09.760 I don't know. 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:12.280 Maybe it was my brother. I don't know where he was. 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.120 It might have been a dude. I worked at Fenway 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.479 with this guy. We worked like every loom. It wasn't 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.320 even a very good friend of mine at the time, 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.920 but I he was the kid I watched a hundred 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:27.400 million games with, you know, losing, always losing. Oakland A's 1:01:27.480 --> 1:01:29.960 coming in. Only home runs we ever caught when I 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:32.160 was there was the other team. They'd come over the 1:01:32.160 --> 1:01:35.000 Monster to go like get the ball. It's never our club, 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:36.240 you know what I mean? 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:37.760 Would you ever take? Would you do it? 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:38.240 Fenway? 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:40.560 Just so sausages and hot dogs? 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.640 You have a good like sausage it get your sausage hit? 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:46.720 Oh yeah, yeah, I was out there. 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:47.600 I was so young. 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:48.680 You know, when you were young. 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:49.600 You don't know how young you. 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.320 Look if you're in eighth grade. I also I didn't 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:53.120 hit you. 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:58.160 Eighth grade grade were down those stairs the worst. 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:02.760 I'm behind the Green Monster in a in a sausage 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:05.480 stand outside on Land on the streets. 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:07.840 Oh so you're one of the street sausages guys. 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:09.960 And I'm there so f when I get out of school, 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:12.360 I gotta go over to the park set up to 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:15.520 think sausages are hundred days old, pulling the rats off 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:18.520 and you're putting the sausages on the grill, and then 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.920 you work the inn. People coming in drunk, a million 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.360 drunks coming to give you a sausage, kid. 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:24.640 You know what I mean. 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:28.320 And then and then everyone's in the park. We'd sneak in, 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:30.600 we'd walk, we'd give food to the guy the turnstile. 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.960 We'd watch the games from like the fourth to the seventh, 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.680 and then we'd come out. And then people were really 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:38.760 drunk coming out and you're serving them sausages on the 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:41.360 way home. And then the guy who owned my stand 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:43.560 would just go into the Cask and Flagon, which is 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:47.200 a big bar or the corner, big famous bar. Again, 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:49.880 I'm in eighth grade. I look like I'm seven years old, 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:51.440 and he's like, come in, rock. You didn't want to 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.040 get me a ride home until you'd had a few. 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:55.520 So I go in and I wait in the bar. 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:57.920 No one gives a shit that I'm sitting there at 1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:00.520 the bar. The guy has a few more more drinks, 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.320 then gives me a ride home. I get home at 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:04.840 eleven thirty at night. My mom's like, do you homework? 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.960 Go to bed? That was my day. You know, Jesus, 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:13.520 have you been back to Fenway since you've become somebody? 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:15.760 Did you sign the wall? Did you go in the 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.200 monster and sign the wall? Yeah, that's a cool thing, 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.680 sign the wall. Yeah. They have like the coolest names. 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:23.360 Everyone's in there, like if you. 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:29.800 Yeah, he used to go take peas between innings or 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:30.480 during the innings. 1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:32.640 I don't think he's going to take peas. Probably going together. 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:34.920 I was talking to the guy who's in there doing 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:38.040 the scoreboards like this exactly who you think he was. 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.960 He was in contract negotiation with Fenway. He was like, 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:43.000 if it doesn't go my way, I'll be on the show. 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:43.720 I'll blow him up. 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:44.680 I'll tell you everything. 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:49.360 So I must have went as well. Oh my gosh, 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:50.160 beautiful park. 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:52.720 There's all as little there's like a scorekeeper, there's all 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:55.920 these little I've gotten to see. The like underbelly of 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:57.680 the park is so sick. 1:03:57.960 --> 1:03:59.600 Let's let's jump into the Yankees. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:02.240 Wait, let's let's we gotta do Boston real Quick. 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.240 Hit, the Boston Run, the real quick run through the Sox. 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:07.360 Cat ninety eight and sixty four came in second in 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.840 the ALS. In the Al East that year, they were 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:12.960 the wild card team. Kerry coming off, we gotta set 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.800 the stage here a little bit, coming off a Game 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.280 seven loss of the year before in the ALCS. We 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:21.160 remember that the uh, the freaking Aaron Boone game. That 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:21.960 was not fun. 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.880 So Grady Little gets asked after that season. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.560 This is the first year with Tito's manager Terry francona 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.920 pick up shilling Poke Reese, Keith Folk in the offseason. 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:34.439 Pretty big acquisitions down the stretch. Third year the theo 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.960 epsin era boy Genius. Second year with the monster seats. 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:39.520 We're talking monster Oh. 1:04:40.160 --> 1:04:42.760 I remember when they put those in there. Watching the 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:45.120 Sports Center, I was California KI. We didn't get any 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:50.400 of the Red Sox Yankees. Shit, yeah, we were full SF. Yeah, Dodgers. 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:54.520 That was like our the Dodgers still do. Yeah. 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:56.720 There's always like these crazy fights. 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:58.080 There's Giants and Dodgers. 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:00.360 I was just gonna say, there's a shanking every year. 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:06.200 Every year rival, And then we can't talk about four 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:10.200 without talking about Nomar getting traded in August, crazy man. 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:13.200 Which could have been because of this game. 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:15.760 It could have been. It could have been because. 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:17.560 This I mean, we thought you picked this game because 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:22.440 the fight with their attack and a rod bench is clear. 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:25.520 Yeah right, one guy didn't go one guy didn't clear 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:27.280 the bench no more. 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.120 He was an interesting dude. I mean, how would he 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:32.640 have done in the era of the faster game. Would 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:36.680 they have policed his like twenty minute fucking routine then 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.320 before he comes to the plate, because then the picture 1:05:39.400 --> 1:05:41.040 is gonna run out of side, like how does the 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:41.600 clock work? 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:41.960 No more? 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:43.640 In the pitch clock era would be a menace. 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:47.600 He get a pitch clock tou like it's an exemption 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:51.720 because a fucking OCD. Man. If you if they ain't 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:52.960 gonna let me do my thing. 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:56.840 Walk up to the plate and hand on the doctor's note. 1:05:57.680 --> 1:05:58.720 Yeah uh. 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:00.720 And of course this is the year of the idiots, 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:04.080 the scruffy guys, the beards, the long hair. Johnny damon 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:07.240 those guys really rallying the troops, baby tough team not 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:07.720 to root for? 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.080 What about these New York Yankees? 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:13.240 The Evil Empire baby, we're going full Homer. This episode 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.480 one one sixty one won the Al East again. Uh, 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:19.600 seventh straight year winning that thing. Uh coming off a 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:22.600 World Series loss this season prior lost to six and 1:06:22.760 --> 1:06:26.560 six to the Marlins. Dontrell Willis teams Jack McKee and 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:28.520 those are some good Marlins teams. And this was the 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:31.280 first a Rod year we mentioned earlier. The Red Sox 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:34.600 lost out on the A Rod sweepstakes after his leaving 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:37.920 the Rangers and he lands in New York. Uh, this 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.640 is a big star power Yankees team. I mean you 1:06:40.720 --> 1:06:44.520 got the Giambis, the Jeters, the Flash, Gordon's of Kenny 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:49.320 Lofton's Matsui. I mean this was Fernie Williams, Gary Sheffield. 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:50.560 This was a squad. 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.800 This is a squad. This was a squad. 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:57.680 Chef Mario Come, I can't forget the Goat. 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:00.280 I know, mister blown crazy. 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:02.480 Dat's duk hit. 1:07:02.800 --> 1:07:06.880 He was pitching a game four, I believe, so yes, 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:07.960 let me double check that one. 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:10.800 See Man Casey, great memory. 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:14.200 Even though I was on the Bay, I was in 1:07:14.240 --> 1:07:16.160 the I was on the West coast for this and 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:19.360 this is high school heat of my the area time, 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:23.320 no matter where you were in the country. You hated 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:25.760 the Yankees. I hated the Yankees. I didn't know anything 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:29.840 about the Yankees other than Babe Ruth and fucking Willie 1:07:29.920 --> 1:07:34.160 Jackson or whatever and all those guys. But I hated 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:38.000 the Yankees just because they Everyone talked so highly of them, 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:40.320 always on Sports Center, because that's how we digested our 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.080 sports back then. You know, you didn't watch the game 1:07:43.160 --> 1:07:45.600 because we didn't have tickets, We didn't have fucking satellite TV. 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:48.520 You know, you see them sports Center. I was like, 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:51.240 they got all the pub I fucking hated the Yankees. 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:54.360 Because you're a good man. That's why, good dude, you 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:55.040 have a good heart. 1:07:55.280 --> 1:07:56.280 You know, you know the. 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:59.480 Difference between an evil baseball team and everyone else and 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.960 a great They just have too much money, you want 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:05.000 it's not the spirit of baseball to just buy players, 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:07.160 you know, by to buy the best all the time. 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:10.760 But then the Red Sox do that eventually. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:14.080 No, I don't know what you're talking about, b No, 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:18.679 he didn't. We embraced the moneyball. We started getting guys 1:08:18.720 --> 1:08:21.040 that were like not not that you know what I mean, 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:23.920 not these big stars started putting it together THEO. But 1:08:24.600 --> 1:08:27.439 you had I guess Boston and New York, Boston and 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:30.240 San Francisco. Like, we didn't know anything about sermons that 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:32.040 was going on out there, really, but that was a 1:08:32.160 --> 1:08:36.520 It's also a similarly great town for sports. 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:38.280 And growing up. It was awesome when we had the 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:43.080 forty nine Ers, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Big 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.840 Football Area Giants. I mean we loved, we all loved 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:51.160 Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent, Benito Santiago throwing from 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:55.040 the knees, John Beck or who was remember John Beck 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:58.479 with the fucking Jerry curl mullet. He'd come out. He 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:01.960 was our closer the Giants. We got close a few 1:09:01.960 --> 1:09:05.160 times as a fucking rally monkey from La got us 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:08.839 with that stupid remember that, the rally monkey. What the 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:12.000 Los Angeles Angels they had the rally monkey. We were 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:14.040 up like three to one in the series and they 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:16.439 bust out this fucking rally monkey thing. 1:09:17.120 --> 1:09:17.959 Is that a mascot? 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:19.640 I don't know what the fuck it is? 1:09:20.160 --> 1:09:20.679 Like monkey? 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:23.840 It was like a monkey that they brought in this 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:26.120 one point of the game, and they kept it throughout 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:28.040 throughout the whole series and came back and won. It 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:30.400 came back and won it. 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:33.440 I learned a lot about you know, Earl. 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:34.719 Smith is Earl Smith. 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:37.640 He worked for the Golden State Warriors and also for 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:42.240 the Niners, as they're like you know, pastor, yes, it's 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:45.400 there like team team, you know, you pray with them 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:47.600 and stuff. And when I was started, I had this 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:49.600 baseball team I played on, and we started to go 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:53.000 up and play at San Quentin against the prisoners, just 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:55.240 because they had a baseball team. And so I learned 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:58.559 about this guy who had started their baseball program, and he. 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:00.400 Was the uh. 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:04.120 He worked at the prison mostly there trying to get 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.240 guys to come to church and stuff. But then he 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:08.519 started a baseball program and he realized that like he 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:11.439 couldn't get the prisoners to come to church and pray, 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:12.479 but he could get them. 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:13.280 He could. 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:15.200 It was a time in Sint Quentin, like all these 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:18.000 gang wars going on and stuff, and he he was like, 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:20.560 I could get I could get them to play basketball 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:24.000 and baseball together, from different gangs, different races. I couldn't 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:25.719 ever get them to come to church. So he started 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:28.000 this program and then it kind of blew up and 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:30.240 then we heard about it, and so I took a 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:32.479 baseball team up there, and we started playing them. Every 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:35.640 year we'd go up and play against them, and so 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:39.639 I got to know Earl, amazing dude, incredible life story, 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:42.960 had been shot six times in the head and neck, survived, 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.040 he'd gone on to like seminary school, and you know, 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:47.840 he started out as like a gang banger and then 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.880 he ended up doing this and now he and so 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:52.599 one time he invited us up to watch the last 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:57.320 game between between the Raiders and the and the Niners. 1:10:57.320 --> 1:11:00.519 I guess fights on those ones a lot of game. 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:03.200 I'm like, what is going on? So we're down on 1:11:03.240 --> 1:11:05.800 the sideline with him and my kids, which was like 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:07.040 a really special moment. 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:09.320 Because we're up close, you know, stadium. 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.240 We were in the stadium that I guess was since. 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.760 Closed in Okay, candles in Oakland. 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.320 Coliseum, which is now done, right is she gone? 1:11:17.520 --> 1:11:17.800 Yeah? 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:19.840 So we were there, and so it's a really big 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:21.479 deal because there was the rivalry and it was the 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:23.240 last time they were going to play against each other 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:27.680 because then they left. So there was like sixteen brawls, 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:30.599 I mean, and the game's just going on. I'm looking 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:32.920 at like there's thirty people fist fighting up there in 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:35.360 the stands and no one's paying any attention. 1:11:35.720 --> 1:11:39.320 No, yeah, that sounds about right. It's crazy, Yeah, La Dodgers. 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:42.720 When the Dodgers played Giants, that's usually four or five 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:45.839 stab beings. You know. When the Raiders play the Niners 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:50.240 over Runners, usually eight fights. I mean, it's fucking nuts. 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:52.800 My mom being a ballsy lady that she is. When 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.439 as we went and played in the Colisseum, like my 1:11:55.560 --> 1:11:58.400 second year, my mom wore my fucking jersey in there, 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:01.840 and like, if you're at Oakland Coliseum Raiders game, either 1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:06.840 a Hell's Angel, a blood Crip, an Ortannal Sereniel, or 1:12:06.960 --> 1:12:09.479 like some fucking weird dude that's a lawyer that dresses 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:12.320 up in spikes and shit. So everyone is legitimately just 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.920 fucking crazy and they haze everyone who comes into the stadium. 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:19.559 My mom rolls up in my jersey. It's like, shut up, 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.599 my son's from the Bay Area, and you ain't gonna 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:24.360 say shit to me. Like I'm like, oh my god, 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:27.040 let's go in. My mom is fucking crazy. 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:28.280 How many people that she stabbing? 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:30.400 No, No, he's got it. 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:31.479 No, I wouldn't mess with hands. 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.840 Bro, got that dog in her? Yes, right, alright, got 1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:37.400 that dog in her right. Let's game game lead up, Jackie. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:39.240 All right, let's set the stage for this bad boy 1:12:39.560 --> 1:12:42.240 middle of the season, right after the All Star break. 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:44.680 This Socks come in fifty two and forty four. The 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:47.240 Yanks come in sixty one and thirty four. We're nine 1:12:47.280 --> 1:12:49.280 and a half back in the Al East, and the 1:12:49.360 --> 1:12:51.320 Socks we're slumping a little bit lost three to the 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:53.640 last four. The Yankees, on the other hand, one four 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:57.160 in a row. It's a Saturday afternoon game, nice and quiet, 1:12:57.200 --> 1:12:59.120 just to you know. You're at the home, napping on 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.240 the couch, watching a little little game of the week 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:01.839 on Fox. 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:05.120 And uh, this is a brawl game, though. 1:13:05.160 --> 1:13:08.559 All hell breaks loose home before the storm, Calm before 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:11.720 the storm. And we gotta preface this with the fight 1:13:11.800 --> 1:13:13.479 the year before in the game three of the two 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:17.200 thousand and six two thousand and three ALCS Pedro versus 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:19.360 Don Zimmer. So there's already been better. 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.599 Say this about that Pedro Pedro. That wasn't fair. People 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.080 talked about it. It was not because Dunzi were charged. 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:30.640 He was standing there just defending himself and he just 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:33.000 used the man's weight again, you know what I mean. 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.040 And he ended up falling down because he's oh god, 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:37.760 and he was worked up, and and it wasn't It 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:40.240 didn't make me happy to see it now, but I didn't. 1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:42.439 But it wasn't fair to say that Pedro threw this 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:43.320 man to the ground. 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:44.000 Absolutely not. 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.519 Hey man, no matter what age you are, you come 1:13:46.640 --> 1:13:50.799 charging to get your ass ready. Yea, that old ass? 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:55.000 I mean, yes, what was he so angry? 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:58.720 I don't remember exactly what started that fight, whereas this 1:13:58.720 --> 1:14:01.920 one was like so clearly the plunking of a rod and. 1:14:01.880 --> 1:14:03.639 He mushed him. He didn't even he could have punched 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:04.280 this old guy. 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:07.519 Yeah, he laid him down easy, baby. I Yeah, that 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:10.040 Pedro gets a bad rap for that one. I'm with you, 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:12.680 But that's definitely a memorable moment. That uh, that was 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:14.640 still bruined from earlier in the year. And like this 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:18.240 was really a heat of Yankees Red Sox hatred and rivalry. 1:14:18.560 --> 1:14:21.439 I've got a question for you, So, when was the 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:22.760 darkest moment of. 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:27.160 Being a Boston fan? Is it before the two thousand Patriots? 1:14:27.240 --> 1:14:29.960 Is it three with the Red Sox before they break through? 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:31.800 Like when's really the darkest before the dawn? 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.040 It's definitely before the Pats start winning. 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:38.120 That that was when light light broke through the clouds 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:42.439 there and then and then the socks came up. But 1:14:43.040 --> 1:14:45.560 so so maybe it's just the nineties is everyone. I 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:47.760 can't remember what's having with the Bruins, but I think 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:50.479 everybody was just losing and there's a few years there 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:54.320 where to make matters worse. We had like hope, there's 1:14:54.400 --> 1:14:57.679 hope there was socks looked like they might. I can't 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:01.840 remember when Morgan magic was. That was like in late nineties. 1:15:02.200 --> 1:15:06.920 Remember we won thirty games, They replaced the we got 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:11.080 a new manager, and we won the first like thirty 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:13.120 games in a row. It was like it was like 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:15.599 a miracle. Everyone thought, this is it. We're gonna we're 1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:18.200 making a run for it now. And then we just 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:21.880 started losing again, and I think people thought it's never 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:25.040 gonna happen. Recurse that that was maybe the darkest moment 1:15:26.000 --> 1:15:28.000 and the Pats what was going on. And then in 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:30.440 the late nineties in the Super. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:34.240 Bowl with Bledsoe in ninety five four got smoked, Yeah, 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:36.840 and then they went against eighty five Bears. They were 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:40.880 leading at that game three zero, but then got smoked. 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:43.000 In eighty five eighty five, just ten years old. That 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:45.080 I'm not I wasn't paying attention. 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:46.960 Yeah, mid to late nineties. 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:49.559 We have to make jumps, like by the decade to 1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:51.320 find little good moments. 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:54.599 Of it was rough. It's pretty much how New York 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:57.599 is right now. Yeah, it's been a decade since they've 1:15:57.600 --> 1:15:59.800 had a championship in any sport of the Big four. 1:15:59.880 --> 1:16:04.559 That it could be decade plus, could be decade plus, 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:07.599 which I think is honestly bad for sport. They need 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:11.240 like it's kind of embarrassing, Like, we gotta they gotta 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:12.920 start getting this thing up a little more. 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:14.879 They have all the money. What's the problem. 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:16.640 It's weird distractions. 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:19.400 I'm with you, though, it is good for sports when 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:21.839 a New York team is like in the mix a little. 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:25.120 Bit because everyone likes rooting for a not routing. But yeah, 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:27.120 I have to have a bad guy. What do they 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:31.360 call it the protagonist in the movie antagonist? You know 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:35.360 you need that. So year before and three they lose 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:40.080 in the ALCS to these guys, these Yankees that had 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:44.519 to be must watch TV anytime they played the next year? 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:47.920 Then was it for like you? Is it you circle 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.360 the calendar whenever you're playing the Yankees or was it 1:16:51.400 --> 1:16:54.120 like a special Was there something special when like you 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:57.120 watch that or you see it with a friend, a buddy, 1:16:57.400 --> 1:17:00.880 a certain you know, superstition that you'd have have. Is 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:02.720 any of that when you're watching with the Yankees? Or 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:04.480 it's just a little little more intention. 1:17:04.280 --> 1:17:06.320 He's just a bigger charge. Yeah, you just want to 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:08.760 see that game. Yeah, it matters more, it's more, it's 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:12.240 more important then. Uh, and you're tracking usually you know 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.920 the Yankees, you knew you were hearing a lot about them. 1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:16.680 As you say, you're watching Sports Center, you're hearing a 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:18.840 lot about them. So you know that who that team is, 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:21.360 you know the players. It's fun to watch. 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:24.559 This game was going back and forth, and it wasn't 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:27.120 it really. It was kind of a shitty game until 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:28.760 the third inning where the fight was. 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.720 There's a tracked me to a game. Like Derek Jeter 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:33.000 said after the game, whoever was at bat last was 1:17:33.040 --> 1:17:33.679 winning this thing. 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:34.360 Allah. 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:36.800 You know some of these Chiefs Bills shoot out we 1:17:36.840 --> 1:17:39.439 see in modern football. It was it's weird to think 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:41.720 that in baseball, But like this game really was that 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:44.360 way a little slow starting the Yankees get up three nothing, 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:47.120 then we get the fireworks. In the third, a rod 1:17:47.160 --> 1:17:49.720 gets plunked with it's like a slow curveball right in 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:52.799 the padded elbow pad and he comes out. He's jerping 1:17:52.840 --> 1:17:55.439 it vera tag, chirping it very tag. He gives them 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:59.000 three f us and then the fourth the f you motherfucker. 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.559 That's when he gets the mint in the face from Veritex, 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.559 from Veritechthe's a big dude, big big guy. 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:10.479 I like underrated rivalries are between catchers and it's not 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:13.160 a catcher, but there's something when the catchers worked up 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:17.880 because he's big. They're big, they're armored, they look like warriors, 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:21.400 like the Thurman Munson was the he was the guy 1:18:21.560 --> 1:18:25.080 Yankees way back then, the same way. You know, tragic 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:28.680 and his story, but like that. Those are great fights. 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:33.519 Yes hockey, yes, and smartly Veritech. He didn't take off 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:35.880 the mask, he doesn't shed anything. He just goes mitt 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:38.200 right to the face baby, and then he goes for 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:38.840 the lift up. 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:39.479 Yeah. 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:41.880 I saw that he was going for the leg like 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:42.920 he was gonna dip them. 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:44.599 It's weird. Yeah, he went I think that. 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:47.320 You know the fights nowadays, you see guys giving one 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:47.960 two s. 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:52.040 Which that sounds fun. Yeah, oh it's too far. I 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:53.000 think it's a little. 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:54.600 Much and you could break a hand. You're on the 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.439 d o even though there's no incentive to play in 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:58.400 baseball because contracts are guaranteed. 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:01.240 But but you don't actually don't want to break the 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.519 dude's shaw or break their nose. That's like you want 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:06.680 to see a wrestling match. You want to see like 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:10.120 an old school bench clearing. Like guys, there used to 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:13.639 be brawls and baseball and people wouldn't really get that hurt. 1:19:13.800 --> 1:19:16.360 You know, we see the the veriteke a ride is 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:17.120 what it starts with. 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:19.240 Then it kind of splinters off and you get a 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:21.160 you get a Tanyan Stirts. 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:24.040 Got tossed, Kenny Lofts in the mix, get you. 1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.719 Get tossed, and then you get you get big poppy Trot, 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:29.920 Nixon and Gabe doing a three on one on Stirts. 1:19:29.920 --> 1:19:31.760 It was starting that day. He was just starting Pitcher 1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:34.479 getting in there, throwing punches, doing cheap shots on Gabe Kapler. 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.560 So that really that's one of those moments you know, 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:39.440 this team is getting galvinized when when you got three dudes. 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:41.960 Going at one, So these dudes are getting. 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:43.680 These dudes are at the top of their game and 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:46.599 they're they're on a winning team. Yes, they don't want 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:48.479 to break their hands, you know, so you know they're 1:19:48.520 --> 1:19:51.080 really worked up if they're doing something because they're pro athletes, 1:19:51.680 --> 1:19:53.120 hurt out there, they want to play, Paul. 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:54.920 You can't do that. You can't three on one to 1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:55.920 pick picture. Though. 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:56.840 I do like this. 1:19:58.240 --> 1:20:00.280 That's kind of like if a quarterback throws in her eception, 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.439 you see a fucking defensive lineman try to go back 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:08.439 and block the quarterback as tacky. You can't do that. 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:09.080 That's bullshit. 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:12.800 It's funny some of these guys you hate them for 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:14.759 so long because they're on the other team. 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.439 They're probably nice guys. I don't know. 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.519 Pasada, he's probably a lovely dude, But when I see 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:23.320 his face, I just think, like, hey, man, I hate you, 1:20:24.080 --> 1:20:25.760 but it's not fair, you know what I mean. He's 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:26.679 a total stranger. 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:30.320 You know that probably everyone, like a lot of people 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.160 think like that way of Tom. Oh for sure, you 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:36.679 know what I mean. And and it's crazy because whenever 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:40.800 someone who hates him meets him, they end up like, yeah, 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:44.400 you can't hate the guy. He's really just a dude. 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:45.200 Did people hate you? 1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:46.040 Oh? 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:49.559 They hated us. Bro, did they hate you? Yeah, they 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:50.599 did eas easily. 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:53.960 Yeah, no, you're not easily hat Well. I would go 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:56.960 like people people, even when they're on the other team. 1:20:57.040 --> 1:21:00.240 You always like the guys. Haven't they respected me? They 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:04.120 respected me, but I would like I loved taking on 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:07.360 that villain role of when like we would go And 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:10.240 one of my things was when when the team would 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:13.280 go out, we were introduced. I'd let Tom go for 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:16.439 the first fifteen yards because he leads us out, and 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.640 then I would I would start a sprint and I 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:20.000 would sprint all the way to the other end and 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.639 i'd fucking like give a fist pump jump to. 1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:26.200 Like the other crowd. They'd be booming and stuff, and 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:28.400 I had like fed off that. I loved that. I 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:29.280 want to you know what I mean. 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.800 It was like but the players on the field. 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:37.080 Nah, they all respected and no one. By the time 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:41.160 I got older, the league has kind of changed, Like 1:21:41.479 --> 1:21:43.360 you didn't want to talk shit with me because then 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:45.800 it would piss me off. And then I was gonna 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:47.880 fuck you up every play. And it didn't matter if 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.559 it was a run play or a pass play. Something's 1:21:50.600 --> 1:21:53.760 gonna happen. Don't don't don't bark up this tree, you 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.400 know what I mean. It was like that, so and 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:58.519 they knew that that'd probably be in the scouting report, 1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:02.720 like don't piss him off because you know I don't. 1:22:02.800 --> 1:22:04.320 He uses it. He uses it. 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:07.720 Yeah, but you weren't talking that much to people. 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:13.559 If they never crossed lines, and it'd be like stupid ship, 1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:18.160 like did you Like I remember this one dB from Pittsburgh. 1:22:18.280 --> 1:22:21.000 He had this fucking Jerry Curle thing going on, and 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:23.040 I was like, Bro, you ain't good look, you ain't 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:24.880 good looking enough to have that hair. You gotta cut 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:28.559 that ship like immediately, like after roasting him on something 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:31.800 like I would say ship like that, like, bro, you 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:34.800 have no swag. Or guy would come come up to me. 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:39.479 One time, this guy comes up to me from it 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:42.040 was some I think it was like Jacksonville or something, 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:45.080 and we we've already had like two super Bowls at 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:47.679 the time. I go, bro, I've forgotten more football important 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:49.720 football games that you played in dude, Like can you 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:51.519 just get the funk out of my face? Like that 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:54.920 kind of stuff like check the resume, get out of here. 1:22:56.280 --> 1:23:00.160 And people didn't Simes take it personally like we were 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:01.080 in a fight on the field. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.920 Me and Benny sat almost got in a fight. He 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:09.160 was a safety for the Dolphins. I used to fight 1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:12.720 and practice a little bit with your own squad. Yeah, 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:16.719 is that about it? Because practice was competitive. I remember 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:19.759 when we first signed Gilmore Gilmore, he came over from 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:24.000 Buffalo Bills, and I was like it was kind of 1:23:24.000 --> 1:23:26.720 like a welcome, welcome to the team moment, like we 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:29.920 practice hard here, so kind of pissed off that you're 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.559 making fourteen when I route you up every single time 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:35.639 we've gone at each other, and like it just gets 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:38.559 Practices are like mini games in the NFL because we 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.280 don't have one hundred and twenty eight one hundred and 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:47.040 sixty two games, so those those practices become really competitive, 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:50.479 and especially in New England, like they put such an 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:55.519 emphasis on execution and competition because when you do it 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.840 hard in practice the game, you feel that situation. It's 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:00.720 like muscle memory, it's like deja vu. 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:03.960 But the practices I've seen you guys aren't even fully padded. 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:08.040 There was padded practices and then there's shell days. So 1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:10.040 you'd like when I was first in the league, you 1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:12.320 could have as many padded practices as you want, which 1:24:12.320 --> 1:24:15.479 we'd have like two a week. Usually usually Friday would 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:17.400 be a fast Friday where you're in shells because you 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:20.040 just want to have a nice fast a no balls 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:22.720 in the ground. And then as I got older and 1:24:22.800 --> 1:24:29.639 through a second bargain agreement, we were only allowed fifteen 1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:33.840 padded practices a year, So. 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:34.599 That was to just protect guys. 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.599 Yeah, that's also why a lot of the offensive line 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:40.840 defensive line plays, like offensive line play for sure is 1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:42.760 gone to ship because of that, because they need to 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:46.040 feel the pads so they can have that rev. It's 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:47.720 like dancing together, you know what I mean. 1:24:48.000 --> 1:24:51.639 But having the pads means more contact, means more brain injuries, 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:52.360 that kind of thing. 1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:56.240 Yeah, but they just implicated these like new condom things 1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:58.040 that they put on your helmet for practice that are 1:24:58.040 --> 1:25:00.880 supposed to distribute the energy. There's a bunch of stuff. 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:03.040 Technology is getting like really good right now. 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.040 I think these guys are getting so big and fast 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:09.719 that sounds gonna get very badly hurt definitely. 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:12.920 And there I mean a lot of these rule changes 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:15.080 we all bitch and complain about, Like they're doing the 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:17.760 hip hip drop tackle where guy's from behind can't just 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.000 drop their weight on the back of the guy's leg anymore. 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:22.840 How does that work? So if a guy's getting tackle 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:25.400 or running and a guy comes from behind and he 1:25:25.439 --> 1:25:28.720 grabs you, yeah, he can't just drop his weight on 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:31.280 the back of your legs anymore. That's a fifteen yard fine. 1:25:32.040 --> 1:25:34.600 Or like if you swing a guy, or like the 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:36.799 horse collar you can't grab a guy from the behind 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:37.920 or a face mask. 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.240 But the horse caller has been their place for a long. 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:43.120 Time, probably about fifteen years now, you know. But the 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:45.400 hip drops new this year. That's gonna be a huge one. 1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:48.719 And you try to get the behavior out through fine 1:25:49.840 --> 1:25:52.799 and then goes through the farming systems of the younger kids. 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:53.959 And the only. 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:56.879 Ones I see that I feel like aren't being managed 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.280 right is the is the rough past. 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.160 There's a huge emphasis on that, which they put a 1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:05.320 rule in now that it is reviewable. 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:08.560 Yeah, because sometimes the guy's coming in he can't change. 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:12.040 His no, no, no, But the penalty is reviewable now, 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.760 so they can go and take a look at it 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:18.160 after the play the flag is done. That was added 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:20.800 this year because there are too many calls, right, there's 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:23.599 a lot of calls. There's a lot of calls, but 1:26:23.720 --> 1:26:25.679 we don't want to see our stars get hurt, right, 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:28.720 you know? So, Jack, should we. 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:29.760 Wrap this game? Wrap it up? 1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:35.439 The fight winds down, we get four guys tossed, Kenny Lofton, 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:41.400 Gabe Kapler, hold on here, we got very tech, very 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:45.000 techy rod Kenny Lofton, Tito gets tossed in the fifth 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:46.840 for arguing a call. Then in the. 1:26:46.800 --> 1:26:50.080 Sixth, all hell breaks loose, the floodgates open. 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.439 We get twenty two total batters, ten total runs, ten 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:57.400 total hits, seven pitchers used, eighty nine total pitches. The 1:26:57.439 --> 1:27:01.320 inning lasts over an hour hour. No hitch clock era here, Baby, 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:04.880 So then we get it down. We're down nine to four. 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:06.800 Bottom of the six we cut it. We're down nine 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:10.040 to eight. Flash forward to the ninth inning. We are 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:13.719 down ten to eight going into the bottom of the ninth. 1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:17.880 We need something here. That's when we get Billy Miller 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:21.840 three to one count one man on blast the walk 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:26.000 off to run home or into the bullpen in right field. 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:29.559 Liner wins the game, Socks win eleven to ten, and 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:33.080 we're rolling. Baby galvanize the team. We're moving on. 1:27:33.479 --> 1:27:36.040 Boston believes. What's the aftermath? 1:27:36.120 --> 1:27:41.120 Josh or jossh Red Sox win the World Series. 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:45.000 Red Sox win the World Series. Some suspension, some fines, 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:48.719 break the curse, go twenty one and seven in August 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:51.840 and we're rolling. No markets traded to the Cubbies. We 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:53.439 talked about that a week after. 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:56.280 We win it again, win it again, baby, and then 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:57.839 five years later we win. 1:27:57.680 --> 1:27:58.439 It again again. 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:01.840 So you love the baseball, Yeah, I love it. 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:04.960 I love the football. I love I love watching football. 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:07.439 And now, I mean there's so many baseball games. I 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:09.960 feel like they've extended the season how many times in 1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:12.439 the last I don't know, it's too many. It's a 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:13.360 bit too many games. 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:15.240 It's playing game, and the more and the. 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:18.880 More so so the football season has taken on. Like also, 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.960 when you have kids, Sundays are just sacred, you know 1:28:22.000 --> 1:28:24.360 what I mean. We get together, we watch all the games. 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:24.920 You know. 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:26.920 My son was just saying, he's like, I can't wait 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:30.360 for the season to start. That's a special feeling. Whereas 1:28:30.400 --> 1:28:32.720 the baseball season goes on so long that it's not 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:34.680 it's not quite specially. 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.280 The kids Pats fans, yeah, yeah, you. 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:40.479 Know, Browns something. Sometimes they pick teams they're like all right, 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:41.920 you know what I mean, they get super into the 1:28:41.920 --> 1:28:42.920 Browns and you're like. 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:46.160 Could be fantasy they drafted someone. I mean it's a 1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:49.439 different generation and you get fans from everywhere now. 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:51.320 They well, the Browns had such a good squad. They 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:53.880 were fun to root for because they could have done 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:58.080 it if they you know, Mayfield's good, dude, it's good QP. 1:28:58.240 --> 1:29:00.280 That was a rough that just was not the right year. 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.479 Otherwise they were in place. Man, they had the defense. 1:29:05.840 --> 1:29:07.920 I spent a lot of time in Northeast Ohio and 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:11.840 those people are very it's it's very similar to the 1:29:11.880 --> 1:29:18.519 Boston baseball curse drought where they are with football. I 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:22.080 mean they're they're feeding for that when they love their sports, 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:25.200 they love their football up in Northeast. I hope that 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:28.880 the the Browns can get something going here soon because 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:30.280 it'd be great for the league. You know, that's a 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:32.840 that's a that's a very old organization that's been around 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:36.719 a long time. But also like that's like a huge 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:40.160 part of football is Ohio for a lot of these 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:45.919 country fed, huge old white linemen, great ass like Lebron's 1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:49.280 from there. You get a lot of these unbelievable dbis. 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:51.160 I mean it's a fun like. 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:53.840 These like American hardscrabble town. 1:29:54.760 --> 1:29:55.479 It's like when you. 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:59.760 Watch like Green Bay, Yeah, and Cleveland, they're like it's 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:03.360 old as hell when they're playing man, it's like, that's fun, 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:04.160 fun football. 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:06.320 And they don't have like Boston and New York. You 1:30:06.360 --> 1:30:10.080 guys they have they have other sports. Green Bay they're 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:13.479 only football. Cleveland you got basketball, but in baseball, but 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:15.559 they love football. 1:30:16.240 --> 1:30:18.960 Jules has beef with someone else who's very relevant to 1:30:19.000 --> 1:30:19.519 this conversation. 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:21.240 I do have a little beef for your brother too. 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:25.080 I was sitting there getting my ankle taped or something, 1:30:25.160 --> 1:30:29.040 watching Sports Center or some fucking show on ESPN, and 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:32.000 it's your brother, come on, we just want a super 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:35.040 Bowl and he's talking about we don't have any receivers, 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:37.599 we don't have this. I'm sitting here like, what the fuck? 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:40.920 When was this? He has just won the super Bowl 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:41.320 and he said, you. 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:45.439 Did something maybe a year removed or something, maybe nineteen. 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:47.000 It's a one way beef. 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:50.679 It's a one way. It's one way beef. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:54.080 I just well, you seem like a great dude. Let 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:55.759 me tell you something. Don't hold a grudge. 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:59.920 It's more of like a joke. But we'll be right 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:07.559 back after this quick break. Let's name this game. We 1:31:07.640 --> 1:31:09.400 have a couple of things, or you've have a name 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:11.320 if you have a name for it, Casey, we had 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:14.280 the ver Tech Versus a Rod game, the Shut Up 1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:18.040 a Rod game, the a Rod Fight game? Which one 1:31:18.080 --> 1:31:20.240 do you would you like to choose to name this game? 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:23.360 I'm gonna throw Veritech in there. He deserves. 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:27.280 That's that's a. That's a. That's a good answer. Is 1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:29.640 this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it, 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:34.160 Casey on steaks regular season, mid season game. What are 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:37.719 the stakes of this game? Zero to ten decimals? Okay, 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:39.960 we got a great it like I think. 1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:42.559 The stakes are like a like a seven. It wasn't. 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.559 I don't think people understood just how it was going 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:48.280 to be a pivotal game and a turning point for 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:50.280 the energy of the team, you know what I mean. 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.880 So this is midway through the season, but it's Yankees 1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:57.720 red Sox, so the stakes are auto lost. I got 1:31:58.320 --> 1:31:59.479 I go six to five. 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:02.360 Jack did sixty three, I did four. 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:05.320 Nine star power. You got a lot of stars in 1:32:05.360 --> 1:32:08.920 this game, big time, a lot of Hall of famers. Yep, 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:11.840 that's a good score. I'll go with the eight Jack 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:13.960 did ninety two nine one. 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:15.200 We're in the same ballpark here. 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:18.280 Gameplay of this we have a brawl. Gameplay means like, 1:32:18.320 --> 1:32:21.000 how did how was the game for the viewer? How 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:22.040 was how was the game? 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:22.240 As? 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:25.439 Uh, you know? Back? Was it back and forth? Was 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:26.320 it a blowout? 1:32:26.800 --> 1:32:27.160 Fundle? 1:32:27.200 --> 1:32:29.479 I was thinking about eight and a half because I 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:33.479 think that people really love to see everyone caring a lot, 1:32:33.600 --> 1:32:36.519 especially in baseball. Dudes rowing some some days they're phoning 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.479 it in. Everyone was had showed up at the. 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:43.960 Park, amen, walk off run, walk off bat one day. 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:50.240 I'm gonna go with a seven eight no eight a 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:50.439 A A. 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:53.560 I looked at the name Jack did nine one, I 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.240 did nine two, The name. 1:32:56.120 --> 1:32:59.120 Of the game ver talkt veritec versus a Rod. 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:01.160 Cultural elevans of this game. 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:04.880 The cultural relevance of this game was pretty high for 1:33:04.920 --> 1:33:07.400 a baseball game, For a single baseball game. 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:09.040 I like that that's. 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:11.799 Gonna get a lot of attention in the sports center 1:33:11.840 --> 1:33:13.160 and the sports fans. 1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:17.280 I'm going eight. I mean, we're still talking about a 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:20.599 regular season baseball game here in twenty twenty four, twenty 1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:22.000 years of twenty years ago, so. 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:24.280 It's gotta be Nate what's worse than julyve baseball? And 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:25.639 we're talking about it twenty years later. 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.280 Hey, we're coming up on the twentieth Anni Baby. 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:30.920 Afterd eight point two, I did seven point nine? 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:32.000 Where does it? Stan? 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:34.519 Seven point nine? 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:36.320 Seven point nine? Where does that go in all the 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:37.320 games that we've done. 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:39.760 That puts it right below. 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:44.200 Highly rating Super Bowl fifty three Patriots versus Rams, and 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:47.800 then right above the miracle Miami BC versus Miami ninety four, 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:49.160 the Douglas Fluty. 1:33:49.520 --> 1:33:49.760 Yeah. 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:52.800 Now seeing all the other games, I feel like we 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:55.120 gave it a slightly inflated score, a little high. 1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:56.120 But it's okay. 1:33:56.640 --> 1:34:01.559 It's okay, Casey, we missed anything from this. 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:02.680 We covered it. 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:07.960 We covered it. Everyone. Remember to go see the movie Instigators. 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:12.559 It'll be available on Apple TV August ninth. Awesome movie, 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:15.839 fun movie, Boston movie. Even if you don't like Boston. 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.599 It's a fire movie, great cast, a lot of awesome 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:21.160 people in it. It was fun, great movie of the summer. 1:34:21.600 --> 1:34:22.680 Thank you boys, thank you. 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:23.639 It's fun. 1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:26.000 I appreciate you, man, appreciate you dude. 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:26.719 What fu. 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:33.120 Man. He's a he's smart dude, love Casey. 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:37.479 He's got a smart guy. He's got like he's got 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.839 like what is I. 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.800 He'd be able to finish what I was thinking, like 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:44.600 he did a couple times in the episode, like he 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:47.439 he knows how to I'm not like smart enough to 1:34:47.439 --> 1:34:50.200 say it. Like he's got like regular people thoughts and 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:52.880 able to compute them in a different way. 1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:54.000 He's an artist. 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:57.160 He's an artistist, but he's also not like two art 1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:58.280 arty about it. 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:00.880 He's still he's a guy who played baseball in Boston. 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:04.920 Guy from exactly. I mean, I like just talking to him. 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:07.000 I we didn't even get to like half the questions. 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:08.920 I wanted to know so much stuff, you know what 1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:11.960 I mean, It just but things right out of times 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:17.120 fucking and I and I went, and you know, I've 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:19.920 been watching some of his movies. He's just he gets 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:23.280 into some of these crazy roles. Man, he plays them, 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:26.600 and you really believe the fucking character and you know, 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:30.799 and that he's unbelievable. Shout out to Lee acting coach. 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:37.519 Hopefully she'll see this somehow, World Instigators. It's awesome movie. 1:35:37.560 --> 1:35:41.439 We got the screeners, copy screeners, whatever. It was awesome 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:43.960 to watch. We watched it as a whole team here 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:47.280 in the nuthouse. It was a fun experience. We should 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:50.360 do some more of those, you know, nuthouse screenings and 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:53.880 then like review and give him like how many nuts 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:54.400 we give him? 1:35:54.640 --> 1:35:55.439 Yeah? Three? 1:35:55.760 --> 1:35:57.960 I give that that was a five nuts. 1:35:57.960 --> 1:35:59.040 That was five nuts. 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:02.000 All day, five nuts up, five out of five nuts. 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:04.160 I hope he tells Matt Damon that you called him 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:06.920 deady do right? Yeah he should, he should. 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:10.160 I feel like I sneaked out too on when he 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:12.360 said you can't hold a grudge on you know, my brother, 1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:15.639 maybe a fucking neflack Ben. He comes up in here 1:36:15.680 --> 1:36:18.960 and apologizes, maybe there won't be no grudge maybe. 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:19.400 To my face. 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:23.480 Brother, Wait, wait that man range savagey. 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:25.840 I went full like where'd that come from? When when 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:27.760 the grudge talk comes out? I just get hold. 1:36:28.200 --> 1:36:29.519 I know we're not grudge holders. 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:31.680 No, we can't be, even though yeah, I've got a 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:32.280 couple if. 1:36:32.160 --> 1:36:34.240 We if we were to talk it out, we wouldn't 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:36.400 be a grudge. There's no grudge. There's just a little 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:39.320 like un you know what I mean. But you know, 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:41.760 being a Boston guy, he knows you see me and 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:44.559 we talk it out. Maybe maybe we got. 1:36:44.439 --> 1:36:45.240 Some stuff to talk about. 1:36:45.320 --> 1:36:47.360 I'm missed that we didn't get to talk about Casey 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:53.080 Afflecks Dunkin Donuts SNL, like the best representation of a 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:54.520 Massachusetts person. 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:58.960 Cigarette outside the store while he's drinking his coffee inside 1:36:58.960 --> 1:37:01.000 the store because it's too fun cold and he wants 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:01.400 to smoke. 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:05.160 Yeah, I get the crack screen. Yeah, we want to 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:07.760 get the dunks order. Yeah. No, He's great. That was 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:08.680 awesome so much so. 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.320 And he's been in dude, his career has been along. 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:14.080 He's got a long career. He's been around twenty years, 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:15.759 damn near and in a lot of good stuff. 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:18.240 You and he's he's worked with longer. 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:20.400 I mean, he's got an Oscar and he's worked with 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:23.640 some of the most incredible actors of our generation. I 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:25.080 mean all the big names. 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:27.960 I felt bad about asking had he watched Goodwie Hunting. 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:30.720 He's like he was a little bit just because like 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:34.800 being from Boston, that's such like a culturally relevant movie 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:37.040 from Boston that if you like, even if you're in 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:39.400 it whatever, like being from that time in that era, 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:40.519 to not see that, you. 1:37:40.439 --> 1:37:43.360 Could tell he's a competitor though, Like he probably sees 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:46.400 that when he watches his film, and it's a competitive 1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:50.040 competitiveness with himself. Yeah, that like man, I would because 1:37:50.040 --> 1:37:51.639 he said I think I could have done it better. 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:52.960 Yeah, I understand that. I hate. 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:56.639 But he seemed really happy. He seemed a great spirit, 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:57.519 really great. 1:37:57.800 --> 1:37:58.240 He was awesome. 1:37:58.360 --> 1:37:59.400 I wanted to ask him what it was like to 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:02.320 meet Bernie made on the set of Oceans Damn. Yeah, 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:03.400 all right, Bernie, we love you. 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:05.120 Let's see this post post guest segment. 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:08.759 You know, after bashing New York and fully going Homer 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:12.000 on this episode, we're gonna end this with a sweet 1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:16.519 note ish ish with that being said, we're going to 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:20.840 put together the top five list of least hated n 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:24.599 y athletes. We'll do we've been bashing the top five 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:29.720 of athletes that played in New York that we got 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:31.840 love for that we don't like. 1:38:33.120 --> 1:38:35.760 Just a nice top five in no particular order. 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:41.160 I think Jeter's got to be on there. Mario, He's 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:42.800 just lovable. Who else? 1:38:43.040 --> 1:38:45.519 I agree? I think I think we gotta put Jalen 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:46.240 Brunson in there. 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.400 I think we gotta put Brunson. Shout out Sam Morrel, 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:51.080 Shout out Sam. 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:52.559 He's been loving him for years. 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:54.479 Oh man, he's an early early Jalen. 1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:57.640 What what about I mean, does Babe Ruth count. 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:01.760 Babe count I'm counting, babe, Yo, Bara, Babe Babe. 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:02.719 What about Eli Manning? 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.000 I don't know, man, I just had a Fox retreat, 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:08.240 and I you know, I always say that Eli is 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.880 my favorite Manning. I fucking fully take that up. That's 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:14.360 back hung out with Cooper Manning and he's the coolest 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:18.360 Manning by far. Shout out Coop Manning. You know I 1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:20.840 used to be an Eli guy. I guess I just 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:25.200 didn't hang out with Coop enough. Cooper is a fucking 1:39:25.320 --> 1:39:28.759 man We golfed together. So yeah, no, no, Eli Manning. 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:34.840 Okay, sorry, Eli, Okay, straight hand, straight hands guy, straight 1:39:34.880 --> 1:39:37.599 hand is a fucking lovable New York straight hand. 1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:41.479 Gotta good morning America. 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:44.519 We still got Broadway Joe left though right Joe only 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:45.639 got one slot left. 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:47.519 I think I think we got to revisit some of 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:51.120 these just because of the gotta, because we don't know. 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:51.640 We don't know. 1:39:52.160 --> 1:39:54.719 But he crushed. He could crush glzzies like no one else. 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:56.880 Yeah, they said he could put down like nine hot 1:39:56.920 --> 1:39:58.679 dogs in like thirty seconds. 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:04.640 Dude, what about a lot? What about Rangers? 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:09.639 What about lung Quist and a Clunkquist does Wayne Gretzky count? 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:12.479 Wait a minute, does lump Quist go before? Does Brunson 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.519 get taken off? Because he's still too young? He's only 1:40:15.520 --> 1:40:17.800 done it for one year, he's done for a couple. 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:21.120 I mean, I mean, no one. Everyone liked that guy. 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:24.160 And he's just so damn good looking, handsome, he always 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:25.120 fucking dress cool. 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:26.599 He's a great fucking goalie. 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:27.519 He's great goalie. 1:40:28.120 --> 1:40:30.160 Do we put as a Penguins fan? 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:32.559 My favorite thing ever was when they chased him and 1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:34.360 he like freaked out and like smashed them that. 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:37.120 Oh I love that. I think we are out of 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:37.720 respect for him? 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:38.640 Are we puttingnist in? 1:40:39.200 --> 1:40:41.880 Just keep it, keep the list going right there, I 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:42.800 think we're getting close. 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:47.679 You can throw. So does Wayne Gretzky count? Because I wouldn't. 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:49.800 Really he's a ranger yet, but he's not a range. 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:53.000 I agree. I don't associate immediately. I agree, do we 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:55.000 What do we think about like a do we go 1:40:55.040 --> 1:40:57.720 with like a Derek Mason or a Patrick Ewing or 1:40:57.760 --> 1:40:59.760 a John Starks. 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:00.880 Straight hand, straight hand? 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:03.240 I think straight hands up there, dude, he's got to. 1:41:03.200 --> 1:41:07.520 Be he's very likable, like or at least hated. Yeah, 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:09.160 he's very least hateable. 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:11.280 Dude, straight hands up there. Put him in. 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:15.600 He's getting enough other sport record, like be nice to 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:18.599 get some representation from the other teams. What like, what 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:21.200 we got a hockey, We got a Yank hockey. We 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:22.479 got a giant he Mets. 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:25.280 Mike Piazza. I don't hate him at all. 1:41:25.320 --> 1:41:27.360 He did hit the homer on nine to eleven. He 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:31.280 did or the day after nine to eleven against New York. 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:34.439 But Mike Piazza is he on the top. No one 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:37.400 really thinks of the Mets as a New York team. 1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:40.400 It's gotta be from like the big the big, big dogs. 1:41:40.439 --> 1:41:43.200 We're gonna catch some heats, no second fiddle guys. 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:45.360 I'm just saying, it's like the Jets. 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:46.760 Do we even think about them? 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:50.960 Man Broadway, Joe? 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:52.240 Do we hate Curtis Martin? 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:54.720 No? What about Wayne cot. 1:41:56.000 --> 1:42:02.120 Was loved and the slot father slop father slot father, 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:06.200 and he tested Verdi he didn't play long enough one year. 1:42:06.320 --> 1:42:07.439 He belongs to the league. 1:42:09.320 --> 1:42:13.280 He's kind of like his his uh, his merch hat 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:15.479 is kind of like Rob Low's NFL hat. It's just 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:19.719 all of the NFL. The fate of the league. 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:21.760 Because I want to see a good game, I asked him. 1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:24.000 Remember I did his podcast about it. 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:25.840 I heard he got that custom made. 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:27.760 No. I think he just he saw a hat and 1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:29.840 he took it, or so I think he needed a 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:31.920 hat picked up an. 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:36.160 NFL red hat, fucking official hat. I feel like we're hold. 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:37.600 On, we got a wriddle down here. There's someone I 1:42:37.600 --> 1:42:41.599 got to throw in here too. Yogi be Yo, Yogi, 1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:44.840 how do you hate? You come to a fork in 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:46.280 the road, you know what you do? 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:47.519 You take it? 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:50.559 Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded. He's given us 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:54.080 some great yogis. I mean, he's got a cartoon after him. 1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:59.240 Was that? Yeah, I'm pretty sure Yogi bear the TV cart. 1:42:59.000 --> 1:43:02.160 To all of a incidents if it wasn't is it not? 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:05.120 Or is is it? I check it. 1:43:05.760 --> 1:43:07.719 I mean, I don't know Yankee history like that. 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:10.479 Yeah, it was the Hanna Barbara character. 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.479 Yogi Beart debut in nineteen fifty eight and was named 1:43:13.479 --> 1:43:14.000 after Barra. 1:43:15.080 --> 1:43:17.519 Look at I mean, it's fucking all right. 1:43:17.520 --> 1:43:18.800 We got to keep him in the top five. 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:21.440 So Mike Pia is the most lovable. 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.439 This is this is in order? 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:29.920 I think, Jeter, Yeah, I don't. I mean we watched 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:33.040 that the Red Sox fight thing or when we we 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:37.479 were doing the research for this episode yea. And the 1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:41.080 way he handles the media afterwards like he's just he's 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:45.360 a pro captain. I think you ask any Socks fan, 1:43:45.439 --> 1:43:47.840 no one really, they don't really hate Jeter. 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:49.599 Yeah, retwo pecked. 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:50.720 What's that? 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:54.920 It's like respect thing? Remember when he retired? Oh the 1:43:54.960 --> 1:43:59.200 wordmark like our eh. Yeah. And the little kid doing this, 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:06.920 the little kid. Yeah, it's a plant all right. Jeter 1:44:07.280 --> 1:44:13.479 straighthand Lunquist rivera Broadway, Joe Broadway, Joe or. 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:20.160 For betwat And I also think the first Super Bowl 1:44:21.120 --> 1:44:24.520 for the a f C bro guarantee and the Colts 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:26.240 super Bowl three Yeah. 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:26.559 An fl. 1:44:27.479 --> 1:44:29.479 I think I think we might have to pull out 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:32.559 Mariano rivera Okay, I think you put Yo. 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:36.720 Yankee for a Yankee. I can see why people would 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:37.679 hate River. 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:40.960 That cutter, Yeah, I like him when he blow all 1:44:41.000 --> 1:44:42.160 those saves in Finoya. 1:44:42.560 --> 1:44:45.760 I think that's looking pretty good. That's looking pretty good. 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:47.280 List, that's a real list. 1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:50.720 I think Hendrick Conscious might be too high, but h 1:44:51.000 --> 1:44:52.400 Henry Glunquist. 1:44:51.920 --> 1:44:53.120 Yeah, I think he needs to go to five. 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:54.640 I think he goes to five, and I think you 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:58.519 go you move the other two up? I like this, yeah, 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:03.000 sober one. Derek Cheeter, number two, Michael Strahan, number three, 1:45:03.080 --> 1:45:05.759 Yogi Berra, number four, Joe Namath number. 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:08.200 Take one Quist. Oh, we got to get a hockey guy. 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:09.519 So you could do. 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:12.720 Mark Messier but he hasn't really owned Rangers and he's 1:45:12.760 --> 1:45:13.920 not really liked. 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:17.479 Uh. You could go yarm or Yager with a Ranger 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:23.320 number My my hate is we'll go lung Quist right now. 1:45:23.360 --> 1:45:24.800 So I think this list list is all right. I 1:45:24.840 --> 1:45:25.639 don't hate this list. 1:45:25.880 --> 1:45:29.080 I don't hate, honestly, I usually hate all of our lists. 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:30.960 Don't hate. 1:45:30.960 --> 1:45:33.280 This list is the least hated list. All right, there 1:45:33.280 --> 1:45:33.599 you go. 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:38.080 How come hate brings us together? It's the least hated team. 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:40.120 Have you got hate in your heart? Let it out? 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:50.200 Number five Henrik Lundquist, number four, Broadway Joe Name number three, 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:55.559 Yogi Berra O boo boo boo. What is that is 1:45:55.560 --> 1:46:01.679 that his little friend pick a basket? Number two, Good 1:46:01.720 --> 1:46:05.320 morning America. And Fox is Michael Strahan. Everyone loves him, 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:10.680 everyone loves them. And number one another Fox guy. This 1:46:10.760 --> 1:46:16.800 is kind of it's kind of skewed. Derek Jeter, that 1:46:16.960 --> 1:46:22.800 is our top five least Hated New York athletes because 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:25.640 we were tough on them today with this and they 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:28.000 got they got beat in this one. Good list. It 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.920 was good list. Well, what a game. Thanks again to 1:46:31.040 --> 1:46:34.040 Casey and everyone. Go out there and check out instigators. 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:38.600 The Instigators on Apple TV. That's been another episode of 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:42.160 Games with Names. 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