Speaker 1: You play that younger brother that almost like annoying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wyse ass And then with how Damon was playing his
Speaker 1: character Dudley do right, you know, like you know, it
Speaker 1: was a fun movie. It was great. But I leave here.
Speaker 2: I'm calling Matt like, bro, you're Dudley, dude, Jules says Dudley.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack
Speaker 1: and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find
Speaker 1: the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we
Speaker 1: are covering the a Rod versus Vera Tech, Yankees versus
Speaker 1: Red Sox from July two thousand and four, with actor, writer, director,
Speaker 1: and Oscar Winner and Boston legend Casey Affleck. Some of
Speaker 1: these guys, they're probably nice guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know Pasada, he's probably a lovely dude. But
Speaker 2: when I see his face, I just think, like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I hate you.
Speaker 1: We get into talking his new movie The Instigators on
Speaker 1: Apple TV Plus. Movie shot in Boston, the.
Speaker 2: First time I went back to work in Boston. They
Speaker 2: love you, They're great, and then on day two they're like,
Speaker 2: get off my freaking street. Wrong, the lights and the noise.
Speaker 1: And we also talk about what it's like working with
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski on a film set.
Speaker 2: His wingspan is like nine feet. I had to beat
Speaker 2: him in ping.
Speaker 1: Pong though on the set?
Speaker 3: Would you beat him?
Speaker 1: Are you good at ping pong?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Then we wrap it up by the ranking of the
Speaker 1: least hated New York athletes. It's been a it's kind
Speaker 1: of a bashing of a New York legendary team.
Speaker 3: A little songing sweet stray Han straight hand.
Speaker 1: Drahan is a fucking lovable New York.
Speaker 3: It's hard to hate Strahan.
Speaker 1: Dude, He's good morning to America. You gotta stick around
Speaker 1: to the very end. It's a fun episode. Let's Go
Speaker 1: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. July twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Fenway pot Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: I gotta give it that kind.
Speaker 1: Of give whatever you want, Give whatever you want.
Speaker 2: That's the reading. Yeah, that was Strong and the Idiots
Speaker 2: versus the Evil Empire.
Speaker 1: Scruffy beards versus frosted tips, A century of bad blood
Speaker 1: is finally boiling over. This is Verit versus Rod photover
Speaker 1: Hey man, you got that. It looks like you got
Speaker 1: this baby. You got gas over here, you got a
Speaker 1: little two Seamer two seamer right there, Welcome to Games
Speaker 1: with names, Casey. I appreciate you coming, and we are
Speaker 1: talking about the A Rod versus Veritech Red Sox versus
Speaker 1: Yankees July twenty fourth, two thousand and four game. Why'd
Speaker 1: you pick this game? Well?
Speaker 2: Look, I was at the game.
Speaker 1: This is game, this is this is mid season. Oh really,
Speaker 1: this is the mid season fight, which had a lot
Speaker 1: of implications going into this season. It was like a
Speaker 1: really turning point game for the.
Speaker 2: Right Okay, I was I was thinking a lot about
Speaker 2: the game. Uh, the last game that they lost the
Speaker 2: end sort of ended the curse, you know, Game three,
Speaker 2: then into game four when they first won the Game
Speaker 2: four was the one that that we were I thought
Speaker 2: we were going to be talking about.
Speaker 4: We did that one with David Ortiz to let's talk
Speaker 4: about we gotta talk about it.
Speaker 3: We can talk about all of it.
Speaker 2: I see, I say, I see this game. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been a minute, so I can't remember. I remember this,
Speaker 2: these beefs and what a what a great year.
Speaker 1: Man. But into detail on this game. We'll get into
Speaker 1: the details.
Speaker 3: We've got.
Speaker 1: But this like when you picked this game, or we
Speaker 1: at least that's what I thought you picked. That's what
Speaker 1: they told me you picked. We started doing research. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this dude's this dude's a real real because he didn't
Speaker 1: pick that game that we're talking about in game three.
Speaker 1: You picked a game that kind of like this was
Speaker 1: the spark for that to happen. Was the whole you know,
Speaker 1: last the year before where they lose an A A
Speaker 1: L C S two seven games tossed. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of beef going on. They bring in a rod
Speaker 1: we lost or the Red Sox lost the bid to
Speaker 1: getting a rod and the whole captain fight that a rod.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine that bizarre world? A rod in Red
Speaker 5: Sox Jersey doesn't seem right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't seem right now now, I bet it.
Speaker 2: I wonder at the time was he would he have
Speaker 2: been happier there because he didn't like being moved to
Speaker 2: third I know they like being next to the year.
Speaker 1: It didn't sit well with him.
Speaker 5: At that's a great point. Yeah, I wonder he would have.
Speaker 1: Been the big fish in a little pond here bubbs
Speaker 1: in Boston. You know when you go out there, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a certain way at being a Yankee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you have to swallow the ego because Jeter ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere, you know, and like there was already you
Speaker 1: had Jeter, you had Mario, So you're like, you're already.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when I came to the Patriots,
Speaker 1: you had Tom you had Randy Moss, you had Wes Welker.
Speaker 1: By no means was I even like in that category,
Speaker 1: But like, were you gonna who comes in to change that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, you got there.
Speaker 2: And that's a big thing because you have to you
Speaker 2: have to join the team. You have to find your
Speaker 2: way into the team. You know, showing up sometimes being
Speaker 2: the big dog is disruptive. Yeah, the whole team that
Speaker 2: has to adjust to you. That's harder to do than
Speaker 2: than you finding your way into the system, which is
Speaker 2: you know you you know well and you did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a Rod, I mean, the New York Yankees have
Speaker 2: a system, are known for like a culture, probably more.
Speaker 1: Than any any other team. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Say, and that goes back to the seventies when being
Speaker 2: a professional baseball player, they weren't you were in stars.
Speaker 2: You didn't make a ton of money. Early before they could,
Speaker 2: they collectively bargain and they became made a lot of
Speaker 2: money and became big stars. It wasn't like that. A
Speaker 2: lot of those guys were working in the off season,
Speaker 2: is like selling used cars. They had jobs in the summer,
Speaker 2: and they were like on the Yankees. And then, uh,
Speaker 2: when dude came in bought the Yankees, he changed the
Speaker 2: whole culture. And the first thing he said was he
Speaker 2: was like, look to all the other team owners. He
Speaker 2: was like, let's let them bargain collectively. Let's let them
Speaker 2: they make more money, they become stars TV, the value
Speaker 2: of this broadcast becomes much greater. We all are going
Speaker 2: to make more money. All ships are going to rise
Speaker 2: with that tide. So uh, he sort of opened the
Speaker 2: door to that and then and it started to happen.
Speaker 2: But then he told everyone on the team, shave your face,
Speaker 2: you put on a suit and tie when you travel.
Speaker 2: Stuff that like in the seventies was unheard of because
Speaker 2: those dudes were like they looked like.
Speaker 1: Me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They were going out and partying at night. They're taking
Speaker 2: this famous stories and them doing drugs during the game.
Speaker 1: I mean it was picture doc. Yeah I heard on LSD. Dude,
Speaker 1: they've had so many have you seen that video? Incredible
Speaker 1: it's fucking that should be a movie.
Speaker 2: It should be I mean him telling the story of it.
Speaker 2: He was like at home with his girlfriend. Wasn't even
Speaker 2: going to the park and he had like.
Speaker 1: Two girlfriends at that time or or so in LA and.
Speaker 2: They're like, bro, get to the field. Yeah, you're pitching amazing.
Speaker 1: Now what's life looking like? Now?
Speaker 2: Life's pretty good?
Speaker 1: Man. I was standing.
Speaker 2: I was sitting in my son's room the other day
Speaker 2: and I was like, he's sixteen, and I was he
Speaker 2: was like doing his homework or something, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: life's pretty good, is it. I don't know why I
Speaker 2: don't have like those kind of conversations all the time
Speaker 2: with their kids, you know, but I and it just
Speaker 2: occurred to me. I was like, life feels really good.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, life's good.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a nice moment. Yeah, And that's how I've
Speaker 2: been feeling. It's like, you know, there's there's always stuff
Speaker 2: you're dealing with, and in this industry is going through
Speaker 2: a lot of changes, and I'm middle aged and going
Speaker 2: through changes and stuff. But the last ten years has
Speaker 2: been hard, you know for me, honestly. And suddenly I
Speaker 2: was like I woke up one day and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this life's pretty good. Either that or I just appreciate
Speaker 2: it more, you know. Yeah, but things are feeling good.
Speaker 2: I get this movie coming out that we got to
Speaker 2: do back in Boston with Matt Damon and Jack Carlo
Speaker 2: and a bunch of people and the Instigators.
Speaker 1: Instigators. Yeah, we actually got a screen copy.
Speaker 2: We watched it nice.
Speaker 1: We watched it a couple of days ago, and you really,
Speaker 1: we really haven't had one of those Boston fun in
Speaker 1: that departed role with the comedic dark comedic stuff in
Speaker 1: a while. There hasn't been any of those in a while.
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed it. You know, anytime you're in a
Speaker 1: Boston movie. You got Matt Damon there. You know, Gronk
Speaker 1: makes a freaking show which was fun, which I talked
Speaker 1: to him about. I had him over the house a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. He goes, yeah, I thought they
Speaker 1: were gonna use me war. We'll get into that, but
Speaker 1: hell on, you only pay a man hundred dollars scale,
Speaker 1: baby scale, baby trunk.
Speaker 2: Doesn't need a paycheck.
Speaker 1: No, But it was it was a really cool, fun
Speaker 1: movie and action. You had a lot of cool stars
Speaker 1: in it. And it was just refreshing to see it
Speaker 1: because we haven't had a really Boston movie, like a
Speaker 1: fun Boston movie in a minute, Yeah, thanks dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was fun to make, It was
Speaker 2: fun to like. It was like most people won't remember,
Speaker 2: but there's a movie called Midnight Run that I loved,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to be in one
Speaker 2: of those, you know what I mean. But I was
Speaker 2: pretty sure no one was gonna like send me a
Speaker 2: great buddy comedy script. That's just not the kind of
Speaker 2: movies I've done. So I was like, let me sit
Speaker 2: down and try to try to write one. And the
Speaker 2: buddy of mine has already done most of a lot
Speaker 2: of the work, and you know, for we spent like
Speaker 2: two years trying to write something funny. Then we get
Speaker 2: Matt and get all these other people involved and elevate
Speaker 2: it and it works out. Yeah, it's a good like
Speaker 2: summer movie.
Speaker 1: It really was like you play that younger brother that
Speaker 1: that almost like annoying, like younger brother like you did
Speaker 1: it in All the Oceans where you were like kind
Speaker 1: of the smart, funny like get at your older brother title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wyse ass you play that like great, And then with
Speaker 1: how Damon was playing his character Dudley do right, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was fucking It was a fun movie.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: When I leave here, I'm calling Matt Ue like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you're Dudley. Dude. Juelle says, you're Dudley.
Speaker 1: I see Matt once. I used to when I lived
Speaker 1: in New York. I used to bride my bike over
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Bridge every morning and I go box at
Speaker 1: the Gleason's right there and Dumbo. I'm riding there. One day,
Speaker 1: I see fucking Matt Damon getting out of a car.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up, man. He's like, what's up, dude.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll see you. It's just fucking the
Speaker 1: most random thing ever. I've seen mad a couple of times.
Speaker 2: You never had him on the show.
Speaker 1: Han't had no, dude, He's kind of boring. Interview Were
Speaker 1: Oscar winners on here?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Bro come on, man, listen.
Speaker 2: When people come on to that, all they want to
Speaker 2: do is ask you questions about the pats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. But that's the fun part of it.
Speaker 1: Because our show is I always pitch it to people
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like letting the listener or viewer talk.
Speaker 1: How we talk in the locker room with like people
Speaker 1: that play or people that are fans of that, Like,
Speaker 1: this is how we talk in the locker room. We're
Speaker 1: just talking shit, talking about things catching up, So I
Speaker 1: mean it becomes conversational always. Like when we had we
Speaker 1: had O'Neal in here and he's over here putting me
Speaker 1: in a goddamn jiu jitsu head chop thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck could you take him?
Speaker 1: Had? I mean, he's an older man now, he's an
Speaker 1: older man, and I mean, what was it nineteen sixty six?
Speaker 1: Four Touchdowns, Paul Hi Baby, Paul Kai for Bucket, Barry
Speaker 1: Wood Children. I used to love that show. Jack Harlow
Speaker 1: was in it. Yep, you had Jack, Yep, that was fun.
Speaker 1: How was it Working with was great? Yeah, he was amazing.
Speaker 2: I Mean usually when someone is like really talented in
Speaker 2: one thing, you know, as a performer, they're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to make that transition, you know. But I think
Speaker 2: people are still surprised. You know, he showed up and
Speaker 2: he was just incredibly prepared, really funny. He had a
Speaker 2: full of ideas of his own. He didn't complain about
Speaker 2: the paycheck, like Ronk. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 2: just like comes and does his work. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, does his job?
Speaker 1: Job?
Speaker 2: Was Grog always worried about the check in the locker
Speaker 2: room or what he.
Speaker 1: Knew the numbers. He's a math guy. Don't let don't
Speaker 1: let him fool you. The dude is a math guy.
Speaker 3: He was more upset than he hasn't got any roles since.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he was waiting on the next call.
Speaker 5: He wants to be in whatever the next.
Speaker 2: When you have that sense of entitlement, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like people don't always want to call you up.
Speaker 2: I say it now, if Gronk was in the room,
Speaker 2: I would be talking.
Speaker 1: If Gronk was in the room, it just me you'd
Speaker 1: feel a ball of energy. He's he's like the most
Speaker 1: genuine dude, like out of anyone I've ever played with.
Speaker 1: I always describe him as just a big ass golden retriever.
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes kind of silly beauty, like cool loving.
Speaker 1: He's just a great dude, so good vibes, great vibes always.
Speaker 2: I had to beat him in ping pong though on
Speaker 2: the set.
Speaker 1: Did you beat him? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good.
Speaker 2: I mean I'd be Gronk wingspan is like nine feet.
Speaker 1: He's pretty decent though. He's all right because you can
Speaker 1: get over back and forth. Yeah, I wouldn't call him
Speaker 1: one of the best on the team. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: had rankings, really we did. We did. Gronk was dec
Speaker 1: He used to He uses sand paddles, though we used
Speaker 1: to use the hardware using No, are you using like
Speaker 1: a padded paddle.
Speaker 2: I transitioned to the the real bouncing ones. You can
Speaker 2: get more span and stuff. It's hard though, because the
Speaker 2: balls flying. So I played, you know, forty years playing
Speaker 2: one way, and then I try to get step up
Speaker 2: to these better padals.
Speaker 1: Those better paddles. Brings it to a whole nother. No,
Speaker 1: who's really Amndola's really good at ping pong, really spectacular.
Speaker 1: Like we That's what we used to do for four
Speaker 1: straight years. We would go to work. By the time
Speaker 1: we were done with all our ship about six six thirty,
Speaker 1: we'd go to his house, light a couple joints, play
Speaker 1: pong and play pong for fucking five straight hours, compete.
Speaker 2: Damn. I wish I was on that team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for like until like nine o'clock. It'd be like
Speaker 1: four hours and then we go home, see them at
Speaker 1: work next day. It was like like clockwork.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: I saw that the doc about you. I remember you
Speaker 2: describing your daily routine not ending with you an hour
Speaker 2: of yoga, eating clean, all your workouts. I remember you
Speaker 2: talking about the joints you smoked in there that you play.
Speaker 1: That was so that was when Ammondola was there. So
Speaker 1: on that schedule when I would go home and then
Speaker 1: I would do a body work and then yo.
Speaker 2: Then you clean it up.
Speaker 1: I that or i'd leave time when he left because
Speaker 1: he left. You know, I played played with him for
Speaker 1: five years. You know, I played eight years without him
Speaker 1: or six. I'm not a math guy, so I would
Speaker 1: put video games in a category where it's like my
Speaker 1: decompression time. So that was like scheduled in so I
Speaker 1: could I played like Call of Duty, FIFA got into
Speaker 1: Fortnite Train for a while. You know, for for an athlete,
Speaker 1: the video game system's awesome because it keeps you out
Speaker 1: of trouble. Yeah you know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: I used to you know, go home, get my shit done,
Speaker 1: and then I just wanted to play something that I
Speaker 1: didn't have to think that I can communicate with my
Speaker 1: boys from back home. I mean, we're all in the audience.
Speaker 1: So that's a form of communication with all your high
Speaker 1: school friends. But like everyone now in the league, all
Speaker 1: the leagues, they all play video games because you can't
Speaker 1: really if you want to stick around for a while,
Speaker 1: you can't be out in the streets, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: So those games, they have a bad reputation, but they're
Speaker 2: good for the mind and body to shut down and
Speaker 2: have some fun.
Speaker 1: Sometimes if you're playing a sweaty ass, a little fucking
Speaker 1: twelve year old, this kid is stimulating your mom, getting
Speaker 1: pissed off, throwing controllers, Like, I don't know you were
Speaker 1: in a headset, headset full headset, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. Who do you play ping pong against that
Speaker 1: you like in your little circles?
Speaker 2: Anyone? I mean, any movie. I'm on, we got a tournament.
Speaker 2: I'll start a tournament on instigators.
Speaker 1: I won. The whole thing.
Speaker 2: Was like, it's you know, the whole crew, the whole cast, everyone,
Speaker 2: and I took them all down. I've done that in
Speaker 2: several movies.
Speaker 1: I used several movies, folks, several movies. Tournament champ keep
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 2: My son can beat me now sometimes, which is sometimes
Speaker 2: makes me proud. Sometimes I just have to like go
Speaker 2: over there and ground by the neck and put him
Speaker 2: on the ground, beat his ass a little bit afterwards.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of people. Well they can beat
Speaker 2: me man in my in my circle. But I can
Speaker 2: see you. I see the wheels turning, and you're wondering
Speaker 2: for what take me?
Speaker 1: Well, you just said there when your sun beach. It
Speaker 1: was a mix of kind of otion. I remember when
Speaker 1: I first beat my dad in like one on one
Speaker 1: basketball or like a race, like my dad used to
Speaker 1: make me randomly race them. I got, We'd be hitting
Speaker 1: ground balls. All right, let's go. I'm like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's like, get on the line. I
Speaker 1: want to see how fast you are. And until I
Speaker 1: was like thirteen, or until I was like fifteen, I
Speaker 1: couldn't beat my dad. And I remember I beat him
Speaker 1: for the first time. You know, it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's a humbling thing for a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see it in his eyes. Yeah yeah, But
Speaker 1: he's he stayed with you.
Speaker 2: You got he helps you train a lot, like right
Speaker 2: through the pros and everything.
Speaker 1: Man, I would go home. So he trained me a
Speaker 1: lot in high school and before high school, like every
Speaker 1: day of my life, like baseball, basketball, football. Then I
Speaker 1: would go I went to college, and then I would
Speaker 1: come back home and he'd always, since we weren't together
Speaker 1: as much, he would sit up and think about these
Speaker 1: crazy ass fucking drills for me to do when I
Speaker 1: would come home. Yes, so he'd have like the soccer
Speaker 1: goal post because I was a short quarterback and I
Speaker 1: had to throw, and he'd make me drop and do
Speaker 1: my throws over that post and I'd have to get
Speaker 1: that ball up and over it. He'd be sitting there
Speaker 1: and he'd line up all these like these pads at
Speaker 1: like your twenty yard out, your ten yard out, your
Speaker 1: five yard out, your skinny post, your deep post, your
Speaker 1: slant route, and he would tape PVC pipe and put
Speaker 1: a bucket on it, and he'd make me go through
Speaker 1: the whole tree. And he would sit there with a
Speaker 1: fucking broom trying to hit my ball. So I would
Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, he was just this guy was.
Speaker 2: At Were you indulging him or did you like it both? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean we used to butt heads, but you know
Speaker 1: I needed that stimulation. I'm an add type guy kid
Speaker 1: at that time, and so like he knew that, and
Speaker 1: he knew what buttons to push, and he knew when
Speaker 1: to take it to the next line to like piss
Speaker 1: me off, and I would get pissed off, and he
Speaker 1: knew that I got better when I got pissed off.
Speaker 1: So there was like a lot of like Jedi mind
Speaker 1: trick shit going with my dad.
Speaker 2: Did you go through years where you resented him like
Speaker 2: that you felt like too much pressure for him?
Speaker 1: No, because I left, you know, when I went to college,
Speaker 1: I didn't get it as much. And I saw once
Speaker 1: I left my dad and he wasn't around, I was
Speaker 1: doing the things that he was teaching me by myself. Now,
Speaker 1: Like I would do those dumb drills where I would
Speaker 1: set things up and I wouldn't leave until I hit
Speaker 1: them all, you know, because that's where you gain your
Speaker 1: confidences through your preparation. And I learned that through him,
Speaker 1: you know, and and anywhere I got to at a
Speaker 1: next level, the baddest dudes, the best guys, were the
Speaker 1: guys that were always the prepared guys doing the little
Speaker 1: extras and stuff. And so I always tried to incorporate
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I became kind of like him.
Speaker 1: You know, I was notoriously known for like my ball
Speaker 1: drills in the morning at New England. I'd get there,
Speaker 1: you know, five point thirty, hit the tubs, six o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. I'd hit up when you know, it
Speaker 1: used to be double J's and it became Jimmy Neutron.
Speaker 1: Then it became Bobby balls. Our equipment staff guys, and
Speaker 1: I'd have like a little combine for them to see
Speaker 1: who could throw, and I'd have them and I adopt them,
Speaker 1: and we'd go and do like five hundred balls tennis
Speaker 1: ball drills before the day started. Just yeah, just so
Speaker 1: you can get your eyes dilated and have a good
Speaker 1: work day.
Speaker 2: Wow, did you know At what point were you like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the pros.
Speaker 1: I didn't. It wasn't until I housed a punt in
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and leaking Financial Field my preseason, my first
Speaker 1: preseason game. Is that's when I felt like I could
Speaker 1: play with the pros. Now. I was always the guy.
Speaker 1: I was always a very confident guy. I always felt
Speaker 1: like I was the best guy in the field anywhere
Speaker 1: I played, to the point of until I got to
Speaker 1: the NFL. It wasn't until that time, because I played
Speaker 1: a different position, there's always another guy that was supposed
Speaker 1: to be the guy. They never really talked about me.
Speaker 1: There's talked about my deficiencies. So I was always kind
Speaker 1: of that guy. M So sometimes I don't know if
Speaker 1: you believe it, but you're so trapped in trying to
Speaker 1: prove people wrong that you're not thinking about I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I was just trying to I'm fucking
Speaker 1: better than this guy. You know. I was dealt with
Speaker 1: with what was on my plate at that time, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean the way that people to think of you,
Speaker 2: like your story is sort of at least for young people,
Speaker 2: like I coached my kids in football and soccer and
Speaker 2: stuff and was like the guy who never was on
Speaker 2: the fast track. People weren't going like, yeah, you're the
Speaker 2: you're definitely gonna make it, you're the superstar, You're gonna
Speaker 2: be the thing. But you persevered and you kept going
Speaker 2: and you kept going, And those are the most important
Speaker 2: stories for those kids, you know for sure, because a
Speaker 2: lot of them are like they don't feel that way,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't feel like he's always going to
Speaker 2: be some kid you get in some tournament, even if
Speaker 2: you're the best in your league, you end up some
Speaker 2: tournament Vegas and just get destroyed by the kids from
Speaker 2: Arizona or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So there's always those moments where you feel like, oh, damn,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people better than I am, and
Speaker 2: if they don't have someone to point to and think
Speaker 2: of as like that guy who ended up being that superstar,
Speaker 2: he also was that way too as a kid, you know,
Speaker 2: then you lose hope. So you were always someone that
Speaker 2: like the kids thought of. It was like, I don't
Speaker 2: be like that, dude, you know.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, when did you feel like you? Never? Never?
Speaker 2: I never felt like I was never treated like, oh,
Speaker 2: this kid's gonna be success. Anytime I was in a
Speaker 2: room with people that were very successful, the attitude was
Speaker 2: kind of like, what's he doing here?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, hey kid, you know you must be happy to
Speaker 2: be in this room, you know.
Speaker 1: And I felt that, Yeah, I keep going yeah.
Speaker 2: And I And it was It wasn't always. It didn't
Speaker 2: always make me think, yeah, man, I am here, Like
Speaker 2: didn't fill me with pride and confidence. A lot of
Speaker 2: time it would knock you down a bit and make
Speaker 2: you go like, man.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm really like they must there must be something about
Speaker 2: me that says I don't really belong in the upper
Speaker 2: tier of people. And wherever my field is, you're you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I show up like I did Ocean's eleven, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like all these big stars in it.
Speaker 2: And there was a big dinner the night before we
Speaker 2: were gonna start, and one of the producers said, you know,
Speaker 2: I hadn't even met him yet, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like movie, and he was like, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: You're very lucky to be here, and I was like, damn.
Speaker 2: I was just starting to feel like okay, like I
Speaker 2: can compete, I can play with these guys or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, But forever there was someone there to remind me, like,
Speaker 2: you weren't really destined to be this at this level,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I started to enjoy
Speaker 2: that because I would think, like, Okay, you think I'm
Speaker 2: lucky to be here. I know it's it has a
Speaker 2: lot to do with my own like grit. You know.
Speaker 2: I didn't take no for an answer. I kept going
Speaker 2: it wasn't handed to me and I wasn't born with
Speaker 2: the like face or the this or the that that
Speaker 2: says this guy's a movie star. So I would start
Speaker 2: to reframe that sort of semi rejection as a compliment,
Speaker 2: you know, of like what I've been able to achieve.
Speaker 2: And so even when I was like nominated for like
Speaker 2: an Academy award or win one, it was still like
Speaker 2: people would say, like the outsider, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like they would call me certain things, is like the
Speaker 2: long shot, the this and the that, and I'd be like, okay, good,
Speaker 2: I'm a long shot. Okay, I'll take it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I'll take it. Yeah, So I started
Speaker 2: to enjoy it, but it's still that way.
Speaker 1: You know. Do you think that that thought of what
Speaker 1: you feel that people or those experiences that you've had
Speaker 1: has made you the way you are now? Is that
Speaker 1: why you've attained your success? Because that's the same shit
Speaker 1: I felt where, you know, like I you'd have the
Speaker 1: guy like when you said you're at oceans and people are, oh,
Speaker 1: you're lucky to be here. I remember going on a
Speaker 1: recruiting trip and they brought in all like the studs
Speaker 1: of our high school, and they like pretty much went
Speaker 1: to everyone else and they didn't go to you, and
Speaker 1: the like that's what fucking fueled me, you know, or
Speaker 1: or the motivation of you know, you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: be here, or you're happy to be here, but you
Speaker 1: made it. It's kind of like, you know when someone says, oh,
Speaker 1: how tall you are? How tall are you? You know?
Speaker 1: Five ten five nine five ten, it's pretty pretty cool, huh.
Speaker 1: Get the battle against those six foot six dudes and
Speaker 1: still dominated. You know, it's the same kind of shit.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, but dude, you you managed to be that
Speaker 2: and still have the attitude like you were a spark
Speaker 2: on that team. You were really fun to watch man
Speaker 2: for people. I was talking to my dad on the
Speaker 2: way over here. I was like, yeah, I when I
Speaker 2: go over and talk to the Chiels, and he was excited,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like, man, this is
Speaker 2: eighty eighty four and my my son fifteen. Like that's
Speaker 2: a big range for a fan base. Man, Like you
Speaker 2: have people who loved to watch you because you I
Speaker 2: think I get loved playing and like you. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: be miked up. I don't know why they miked you
Speaker 2: up so much, but you were miked up a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, and you could hear like the way he
Speaker 2: talked to the to the other people, to the you know,
Speaker 2: the other players on both teams, and it was like
Speaker 2: a dude loves being out there, loves playing the game,
Speaker 2: and it made it so much fun fun to watch
Speaker 2: a time, like the Pats are always fun for me
Speaker 2: to watch, But there were some years in there where
Speaker 2: it was like it's a slot. Even when you're winning,
Speaker 2: it's a slog. It felt like we're on a mart
Speaker 2: Like if we don't win, then it's a disappointment. But
Speaker 2: when people hate us, you know, it was always like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna remind not like it was like there a
Speaker 2: few tense years in there, and but you were fun
Speaker 2: and you made it fun. So not only did you
Speaker 2: persevere and be like have to prove yourself, but you
Speaker 2: seem to like carry some joy for the game.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. You know that that means a lot
Speaker 1: because I did love the game. I still do love
Speaker 1: the game. You know, it ultimately brought me everything that
Speaker 1: I've had in my life. But I do have other interests.
Speaker 1: Do you love acting?
Speaker 2: I love acting. I don't always love the business of movies.
Speaker 1: You know, no one loves the business of what they're
Speaker 1: passionate but that's what makes it the work. You know,
Speaker 1: if you didn't have like I hate you think I
Speaker 1: hated fucking negotiating with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft for
Speaker 1: these dog shit fucking contracts, you know, and being owned
Speaker 1: up for all the but you still love the game.
Speaker 2: You weren't doing that negotiating.
Speaker 1: When you get older, you get older, you start, I mean,
Speaker 1: you learn the ways you.
Speaker 2: Would get into it with them and the knocking the
Speaker 2: door and be like, yay man, I need to know
Speaker 2: zero on that.
Speaker 1: Well. Bill used to corner you so like if there
Speaker 1: was some you know, if you're if you were talking,
Speaker 1: if your agent and the GM Cassario or whoever's handling
Speaker 1: would there's like a stalemate of where we were at
Speaker 1: a Jels, just come over here for a second. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked to you in the cafeteria, sit you down.
Speaker 1: And he did that to me a few times in
Speaker 1: my career when I was young. I'd be like, coach,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd play the dumb card. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking because he's a smart motherfucker. He trapped
Speaker 1: you into something, you know what I mean. I'd like,
Speaker 1: I let my agent do that. Coach you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just worried about football. You know, by the end, I'm
Speaker 1: going up to Cassario saying, hey, I need five hundred
Speaker 1: grand more from these incentives because this motherfucker's getting pay that,
Speaker 1: so you better put that in there. You know. It
Speaker 1: was different, But yeah, I understand. You know, you have
Speaker 1: a love, but it's all the outside ship that makes
Speaker 1: things work. Yeah, it's not working. I played football for
Speaker 1: free if it wasn't for all that bullshit. You miss it,
Speaker 1: I do. I just I start to miss it more.
Speaker 1: The better my body feels. Are you healing, I'm pretty much.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm as healed as i'll be. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of deficiencies through you know, twelve surgeries and
Speaker 1: all everything that I've had throughout my career, and you
Speaker 1: you know, you feel stuff here and there, but I'm
Speaker 1: not in like crazy pain. But the year after I retired,
Speaker 1: like the year I retired, I mean, I had a
Speaker 1: tear in by the root of my meniscus and like
Speaker 1: I was thirty four turning thirty five, and they asked me,
Speaker 1: you know, like do you want to get this thing done?
Speaker 1: It's a twelve month microfracture surgery, and like thirty four,
Speaker 1: I got three Super Bowls. You know, I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna play the year and we'll just
Speaker 1: rehabit and I'll see how I can do it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's gonna be some pain. You
Speaker 1: could just deal with it, go out and play that year.
Speaker 1: And it was like such a grind to get to
Speaker 1: the game, you know, Like, and I'm a practice player.
Speaker 1: I gained confidence through the practice execution. Practice execution becomes
Speaker 1: game reality. So like that's where the shit talking, that's
Speaker 1: where your confidence comes because you've seen it in your
Speaker 1: head already. You've done it. You've seen the bad looks
Speaker 1: the good looks. And I couldn't practice hard anymore. I'd
Speaker 1: get two reps of practice and then I'd go to
Speaker 1: the water tanks and I'd condition in the water, and
Speaker 1: it just became such a grind that I ripped up
Speaker 1: my ribs and that first year out it was like
Speaker 1: I hate football. You know. It just became because there's
Speaker 1: a there's a standard that you you've earned through your
Speaker 1: consistent play through the years, and when the time you
Speaker 1: start seeing that you're not that guy on the film
Speaker 1: and you're in pain, it's just it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. It's a very humbling thing
Speaker 1: to do to go through. And every guy goes through
Speaker 1: it in our in our business, you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: the wheels aren't going as fast as they used to go.
Speaker 1: Father time catches up, and it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: It was tough the first year. Second year, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to feel better. Things are healing up, you know. And
Speaker 1: now I'm going into year three, year four, and now,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm out playing soccer lily in the backyard,
Speaker 1: kicking stuff, doing a little footdrills, like I think I
Speaker 1: could do this right now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But you always miss it.
Speaker 2: I'd imagine that even if you you ran your career
Speaker 2: out and you were healthy, you ended, you know, you
Speaker 2: went out just when you wanted to how you wanted to,
Speaker 2: that you would still crave that, like the competition, you know,
Speaker 2: just organized sports. I mean I played through high school
Speaker 2: and I still when I turned like thirty, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I really miss organized sports. Just going out with dudes
Speaker 2: playing competing. I miss it. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what what do you do like for that?
Speaker 1: Do you now? I compete with myself. I'm learning new stuff.
Speaker 1: And you get a lot of that competition through your kids.
Speaker 1: You see when they're learning new things. They're doing soccer,
Speaker 1: they're doing tennis. You know, I get to see it
Speaker 1: and watch them with their coach and you see their
Speaker 1: progression on something they've been working on for a long time. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the most excitement I get now.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have to be in sport. It
Speaker 1: could be in reading, it could be mad like that
Speaker 1: is the new competition. And then I've picked up boxing.
Speaker 1: I started that a couple of years ago, and really
Speaker 1: thinking when you're tired and and and learning something that
Speaker 1: I've never I've never done in my life, you know,
Speaker 1: see how that progression's gone. That that's where I get
Speaker 1: some competition out. I started golfing a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone does that, right.
Speaker 2: So you you're friends with Wohlburg a little bit.
Speaker 1: How has he in the ring? I haven't fought him
Speaker 1: yet yet. Yeah, I'll take him. I mean I might
Speaker 1: have to take him down. I'm thirty eight. He probably like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you guys all look young, all you
Speaker 1: Hollywood folks. Man. I read there you're you're forty eight.
Speaker 1: I thought you were like thirty two or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wolburg's fifty three. You could take him, bro, He's.
Speaker 2: On a one hundred thousand supplements and he gets out.
Speaker 5: Three in the morning, praying for an hour, fighting for
Speaker 5: an hour.
Speaker 1: Wahlberg would be a tough one. He's a good golfer,
Speaker 1: is he He's a really good golfer. He's a good dude,
Speaker 1: he is. He's He was actually one of the first
Speaker 1: dudes out of the Boston like acting community or whatever.
Speaker 2: He popped.
Speaker 1: Huh, he popped.
Speaker 2: He popped off early like that in high school.
Speaker 1: But he also when I was a nobody in New England,
Speaker 1: he invited me to his house once out and here
Speaker 1: in LA because he heard I was out here. And
Speaker 1: he was just a cool dude that like kind of
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he let me hang around and and
Speaker 1: kind of gave me some words of advice before you started.
Speaker 1: Before I was yeah, I was like a special teamer still,
Speaker 1: oh nice, So he was. He was pretty cool. He
Speaker 1: you know, invite me to stuff and he just a
Speaker 1: cool lass dude. Me fucking now, it's a crazy story
Speaker 1: that So I roll up to I go and get
Speaker 1: this acting coach out here, this acting coach Lee, and
Speaker 1: I roll up there one day. I'm sitting there and
Speaker 1: she's like going to her back a little like EIGHTYU
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting out there and she goes, oh, can
Speaker 1: you wait up one second, I have one of my clients.
Speaker 1: I'm like sure, Yeah, this is the first time I
Speaker 1: ever met with her. I'm like, I'm nervous as fuck.
Speaker 1: She gave me some homework. I'm thinking about lines and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now I got to put weight. Now, I'm thinking like,
Speaker 1: maybe she's doing this on purpose, maybe she doesn't have
Speaker 1: anyone there. Gave it me a little bit roll op
Speaker 1: in there. It's fucking casey, Like what the fuck? And
Speaker 1: so we kicked it off for a little while. We
Speaker 1: talked for a little while, and then the next day
Speaker 1: after our session, she gave me more homework and she
Speaker 1: gave me a fucking scene from Manchester by the Sea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the one at the boat dock when you're with your
Speaker 1: nephew and he's like busting your balls about keeping the
Speaker 1: boat and I was, I was doing that, And the
Speaker 1: next day I went, like the week after I walked in,
Speaker 1: I was fucking nervous as fuck that. I thought she
Speaker 1: was gonna make me run lines with you or something
Speaker 1: like he's crazy, what is she thinking? And it's just
Speaker 1: it was fun. That's when we really first got to
Speaker 1: meet dude. My side of that story.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there with her and I'm like, she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I gotta wrap it up. I get someone coming in.
Speaker 2: I was like, who are you coming in?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was grilling and she's like, oh, just someone a
Speaker 2: new client. Didn't want to say, protecting your privacy. And
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not leaving me. Who's coming in?
Speaker 2: And she told me and I was like, now I'm
Speaker 2: really not leaving. I'm staying here till dude gets here.
Speaker 2: And I waited and then you came in. I took
Speaker 2: like half your time. I was like pappering you with questions.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not leaving at my time with
Speaker 2: my man here right now, I got a lot on
Speaker 2: my mind. So we stayed there and then I went
Speaker 2: back like whatever. It was a few weeks later and
Speaker 2: I was like, I want you to schedule me before Jewels.
Speaker 2: Whenever Jewels is coming in, I want to be there before.
Speaker 2: So I got some more things I want to ask
Speaker 2: him she was like, no, I can't do that, dude, professional.
Speaker 1: She's she's the best. She's such a she. She's taught
Speaker 1: me a lot. And I only worked with her a
Speaker 1: little time because at that time that's when I landed
Speaker 1: the job with Fox and so then or no with
Speaker 1: Tea with Inside the NFL, and so I put that
Speaker 1: on hold because I was starting to get nervous for
Speaker 1: like talking in front of the camera and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I didn't get to see her. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: her as much as late, but you know, she's she's
Speaker 1: a cool teacher that takes a lot of the time
Speaker 1: to learn you and then learned your motivation, what motivates you,
Speaker 1: and and and she was able to explain things like
Speaker 1: I always remember, acting is not about right or wrong,
Speaker 1: it's about belief or not poly or something. She would say, right,
Speaker 1: do you do you believe her? You do not believe
Speaker 1: you know. And she's just an interesting lady that I
Speaker 1: enjoyed every bit with. And I got to get back
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, she's very smart. She's good with that. Like
Speaker 2: I didn't go to I didn't go to theater school
Speaker 2: or I didn't go to drama. You know, I never
Speaker 2: did any of that. I never had an act to coach.
Speaker 2: And then I and then I went to her one
Speaker 2: time just because I had something to do that was
Speaker 2: like too much lines. I'm getting old. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: just got to sit with somebody and run him. And
Speaker 2: I met her and she had great advice. She's really
Speaker 2: really good and everyone, like I know a lot of
Speaker 2: other people I've worked with her and there she makes
Speaker 2: them better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's good.
Speaker 2: You would be a good actor, dure. He's still interested
Speaker 2: in doing that or you just want to do it
Speaker 2: for like when you gotta do commercial.
Speaker 1: No, I would be interested. I just have an insecurity
Speaker 1: of being the person on set that doesn't know the line,
Speaker 1: Like it's like not knowing how.
Speaker 3: Any insecurities at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like that's the only thing I get
Speaker 1: nervous about is that kind of stuff. But I would.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely interested in getting it. He gronk, he's funny.
Speaker 1: We did a We did a we did a parody
Speaker 1: of fucking Goodwill hunting for the schedule or release party, Gronk,
Speaker 1: wash your brother. I was Matt and Ernie Adams was
Speaker 1: fucking h Williams. Huh. So it was it was a
Speaker 1: fun thing. And Rob was like, I get so excited
Speaker 1: when I have to do lines. I sit there and
Speaker 1: I just like practice them for six or seven days
Speaker 1: by myself. I love remembering, Like that's that's Rob, you know.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the instigators. So movie shot in
Speaker 1: Boston takes place in Boston, a lot of north shore
Speaker 1: or south shore all around, because it was Quincy and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's beach. Yeah. What's it like shooting a movie when
Speaker 1: you go back home? Is it? Is it a hassle
Speaker 1: because of people that you know? Or do you like
Speaker 1: doing it? Because I remember when I go play games
Speaker 1: in like the Bay Area or in California, I gotta
Speaker 1: get forty tickets. I gotta deal with you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're really you're here for work. You're here for a job. Now,
Speaker 1: how do you handle that when you have to go
Speaker 1: back and shoot something in you know, upper Northeast.
Speaker 2: Well, in this case, you know, more people want to
Speaker 2: go see Matt. So I'm like, you know, talk to Matt.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll get you, gets you on set, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. They're like really, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ask him, man, look you up. But I think
Speaker 2: that like the first time I went back to work
Speaker 2: in Boston. You know, they love you, They're great, They're like,
Speaker 2: they want you there, they want you shooting, and then
Speaker 2: on day two they're like, get off my fucking street, bro,
Speaker 2: the lights and the noise, and then you have to
Speaker 2: endure the next fifty days of them like poking holes
Speaker 2: and your tire and you know, they don't want the
Speaker 2: trucks there, they don't want the shit, so they're not
Speaker 2: they You know, a lot of movies go to Boston,
Speaker 2: and Massachusetts has been really good for the industry, and
Speaker 2: we've been good for the city, but like the people
Speaker 2: there understandably get sick of having movies coming and going
Speaker 2: constantly in their neighborhood. I love going there because I
Speaker 2: would rather live in Boston than be living out here.
Speaker 2: So I get to go spend a few months there
Speaker 2: and it's not like going to Budapest or Pittsburgh, like
Speaker 2: someplace that's different, you know, where you don't know anyone,
Speaker 2: and you get to be home. Everything's familiar. So I
Speaker 2: love it. And when I come up with projects, I'm
Speaker 2: always like, we can do this in Boston. I think
Speaker 2: you said yeah, So I love doing it. But on
Speaker 2: the other hand, like a lot of people I knew.
Speaker 2: I've been gone for over thirty years, man, so a
Speaker 2: lot of people I know are gone. It's not like
Speaker 2: I don't have to not forty people knocking on my door.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a few. And but I love
Speaker 2: I love doing it.
Speaker 1: And do you have a house there?
Speaker 2: No, you stay at a hotel, staying at my mom's
Speaker 2: one time, yeah, and uh did or you just get
Speaker 2: an apartment or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's nice that you get to go see games,
Speaker 2: like all the teams you want to see, you're there,
Speaker 2: you get to go. I used to work at Fenway,
Speaker 2: so like going home, I always go back there. It's
Speaker 2: like a core memory those years of every home game
Speaker 2: working at Filway Park. It's like my like eighth grade
Speaker 2: into high school. It's like, so that's the first stop.
Speaker 2: And then then you make the rounds and see all
Speaker 2: your favorite places.
Speaker 1: And with food spots, any food spots, ship Man.
Speaker 2: Food spots have changed, as you know, the city changed
Speaker 2: so the last like especially the last ten years, it's
Speaker 2: like everything's different. A lot of those restaurants gone, just
Speaker 2: the old places you go. You know, Leo's Sandwich Shops
Speaker 2: is gone, you know, and like, but I'll go, uh,
Speaker 2: I hit my Indian spot, Maharajah. That's the best Indian
Speaker 2: in the country.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 1: Santuca has good rumin over there Newberry. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it's like, fifteen years old on Newbury Street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: off a Newberry one.
Speaker 2: That's where all the fancy people hanging. That's for you
Speaker 2: roll around.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to Southe. I go to Reno's
Speaker 1: in East Boston for some good lobster ravioli. You go there,
Speaker 1: there's really good. Who least goes in East Boston. My
Speaker 1: favorite Mexican that's been there for a while. Leone's over
Speaker 1: in Summerville for some fucking sheet pizza. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: used to like going there. Pinocchio's and Cambridge, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where dude dreamed up Facebook, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things about The Instigators is the
Speaker 4: areas of Boston that we're shotting, because usually, like Boston movies,
Speaker 4: it's like so North End or all these but like
Speaker 4: you even Sparler but chasing like in.
Speaker 3: His alley in Back Bay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and how you like utilize certain parts that are
Speaker 4: just generally not seen in Boston movies before it was cool.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yeah you had the police. Is that where
Speaker 1: you were at? I live in the back Bay. I
Speaker 1: lived over there for eight years. I lived in Foxboro.
Speaker 1: My first six lived in Foxboro, Foxborough, Plainville, Rentham.
Speaker 2: Those are the towns that we would play in high
Speaker 2: school but otherwise never go to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know anyone out there for no reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah sticks, I mean there's some good food. The Plainville
Speaker 1: Deli was always good. It was a little Italian deli.
Speaker 1: I'll still go back and check that.
Speaker 2: Are you support when you joined the team? You supposed
Speaker 2: those up like a rider passage. You gotta go live out.
Speaker 1: At the no, But you're not going to live in
Speaker 1: the city when you're trying to make a team. I
Speaker 1: mean I had roommates until like my fourth fifth year.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, no furniture is like mercenary life. Pizza
Speaker 1: boxes as your fucking Shanevreen used to order Domino's. We
Speaker 1: would just stacked the boxes, use it as like a
Speaker 1: side table and shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, dudes, think of anyone who's in the pros and
Speaker 2: any sport as having made it the rich. They loaded,
Speaker 2: especially now when everyone shows up they do they like
Speaker 2: dressed to the nines, showing up at the park or whatever.
Speaker 2: But like that's not the case.
Speaker 1: No, you know, you know, I would say sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the team is you know, making a league minimum,
Speaker 1: which is great money. But you got to think about it.
Speaker 1: At that time, it was like three eighty five, three ninety.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't even know if you're gonna make
Speaker 1: the team. You got to make the team to make
Speaker 1: that three ninety, or if you're on practice squad, it's
Speaker 1: a hundred racks. You know, you're getting one hundred grands,
Speaker 1: so you know, there's a lot of moving parts. You know,
Speaker 1: you could be on another team. You know, you can
Speaker 1: get traded. It wasn't until I felt like I had
Speaker 1: an established foundation of equity with you know, the team
Speaker 1: in the area that that's when I went to Boston, right,
Speaker 1: you know, And it must have felt good. It felt
Speaker 1: really good. And I enjoyed going home. I remember my
Speaker 1: first four years like I was literally in the backyard
Speaker 1: of the stadium, like you just it was a fucking grind,
Speaker 1: you know. I enjoyed the twenty five thirty minute drive
Speaker 1: in the morning, reverse commute so you didn't have bad traffic.
Speaker 1: You know. I enjoyed that. It'd wake me up. It
Speaker 1: helped me get ready for the day, start the day right,
Speaker 1: and I could handle like my personal life on the
Speaker 1: drive back. Yeah, you know, on the phone, because that's
Speaker 1: the only time you catch me is if you know
Speaker 1: on the phone, I'm in my car or on my
Speaker 1: arm chilling.
Speaker 2: You worked hard, man, You were focused.
Speaker 1: Very focused. I mean I had to. It wasn't good
Speaker 1: enough not to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were good enough.
Speaker 1: So guys I could just slap it out there.
Speaker 2: That's not really true.
Speaker 1: Well they don't stick around long, but there's guys that
Speaker 1: can fuck around, have one, two, three good years. You
Speaker 1: don't have a real yeah, and then things catch up,
Speaker 1: injuries happen. You know. It's a lot of prevention type
Speaker 1: stuff that you gotta you gotta take your body's your temple, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that thing, especially nowadays with all the technology,
Speaker 1: the information.
Speaker 2: I wrote a movie once about these two back to
Speaker 2: the Yanks, these two Yankees in the seventies who I
Speaker 2: don't know if you ever heard this story, true story.
Speaker 2: They traded wives, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, wife swap.
Speaker 2: Not only a wife swap a family house, category dogs.
Speaker 2: Every they traded lives in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2: They went out like it was like Swingers style, like seventies.
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, let's like trade you know, one night,
Speaker 2: like let's swap couples or and then it kind of stuck.
Speaker 2: They stayed with it, and then they kind of one
Speaker 2: couple really fell in love and the other couple was
Speaker 2: sort of into it, but it didn't work as a relationship.
Speaker 2: But then this is this was when journalists didn't talk
Speaker 2: about the private lives and athletes. That was taboo. You
Speaker 2: didn't do it, you know what I mean. And the
Speaker 2: journalists traveled with the team, so they all knew them,
Speaker 2: and they all knew they were around the party, and
Speaker 2: they knew all the stories Mickey Mantle, wild stories, but
Speaker 2: they never reported on it, and so what happened was
Speaker 2: interesting story. They this was going on for a while.
Speaker 2: They were like living in each other's houses, taking care
Speaker 2: of the other person's kids, the whole thing. And the
Speaker 2: Yankees weren't doing so well. The Mets that year were
Speaker 2: playing great, and one of the it was like the
Speaker 2: daily news, someone decided they pulled their person that usually
Speaker 2: covered the Yankees from the locker room and they went
Speaker 2: to travel with the Mets and someone else got cycled
Speaker 2: in and it was a woman. And the Yankees said,
Speaker 2: we're not going to have a woman covering the team
Speaker 2: in the locker room. It was like just straight up sexism,
Speaker 2: and they blocked her. And she heard about this story
Speaker 2: because everybody knew about it, and she was like, okay, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be allowed to cover the team.
Speaker 2: I'm a woman, I'm gonna how about I just write
Speaker 2: this story, wrote the story of this, of this what
Speaker 2: was happening, and I'm simplifying it all and this then
Speaker 2: the story broke, so now everyone is and now all
Speaker 2: the other journalists feel like they have to cover this
Speaker 2: story too because they got scooped, and they're like, this
Speaker 2: is kind of a weird story. I guess we better
Speaker 2: write about it, even though everyone knew, like you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to talk about the private lives of athletes. And
Speaker 2: then and then it became a national story. Johnny Carson's
Speaker 2: telling jokes about it every night, you know what I mean, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: the Yankees better cancel family Day that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And they're like and then
Speaker 2: it sort of became like a lot of pressure on
Speaker 2: these guys, and they one of the couples broke up,
Speaker 2: and the other couple stayed together. They stayed married, had
Speaker 2: their own kids, stayed married all the way until the end,
Speaker 2: until that player passed away a few years ago. But
Speaker 2: in the researching that story to write it into a
Speaker 2: movie that I learned I talked to all these journalists
Speaker 2: and who were at the time covering the Yanks, and
Speaker 2: I learned that, like what their lives were like, and
Speaker 2: even for the best players, it was not They weren't
Speaker 2: rolling high, you know, they were like trying to make
Speaker 2: ends meet. Even guys that weren't out there partying through stuff,
Speaker 2: they were still just trying to like pay their mortgage,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, even when they're performing really
Speaker 2: at the highest level. So it's only till just like
Speaker 2: the eighties, when athletes start catting. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's the same for football, but definitely in baseball it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It was just still kind of recently that people started
Speaker 2: becoming you know, millionaires and stuff.
Speaker 5: What do you got, jack, Yeah, crazy? The daily News
Speaker 5: never misses a chance to throw a little like pot
Speaker 5: shot in the headline here. So from that story back
Speaker 5: in the seventies, two yank pitchers trade wives Peterson and
Speaker 5: kekch hurl changeups.
Speaker 1: They never miss a chance for a bad joke thinking
Speaker 1: about the wife swapping. Fucking Chappelle show.
Speaker 3: The Black Cup for the White gul Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's go
Speaker 1: back in a time. So this is a segment where
Speaker 1: we go back around the time of the game when
Speaker 1: it was played, and we talked about a little bit
Speaker 1: of pop culture. This was July twenty fourth, two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. Number one movie I Robot. You ever see that? No,
Speaker 1: it's Will Smith right Apocalypse one? Oh? Is it?
Speaker 3: It's like a robot legaristic?
Speaker 1: Is that I am legend?
Speaker 3: Legends him is apocalyptic robot?
Speaker 1: Is Maybe this Bridget?
Speaker 3: Yeah? This is Bridget?
Speaker 5: Oh this Bridget's bridge one in Robot.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Tom Brady, there we go.
Speaker 1: Number one song, Leave get out right? Huh?
Speaker 5: Too cool to come on the pod?
Speaker 1: Too cool to come on the fucking pod. Who wouldn't
Speaker 1: come on, Tom fucking Brady TV? Wouldn't show up? I
Speaker 1: mean not yet, man, not yet.
Speaker 5: We've been left at the Oh my god, it left
Speaker 5: at the.
Speaker 3: Altered it was worth six. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess he's so busy with everything, being in the
Speaker 1: world's number one Bachelor of the World. Great team dads.
Speaker 1: Fucking you know you're getting ready for TV.
Speaker 2: This that time for a roast yeast?
Speaker 1: I heard that paycheck. I I'd make time.
Speaker 3: For that too.
Speaker 1: Oh number one song Jojo Leave. You remember that song?
Speaker 1: Boston Girl, Foxborough.
Speaker 3: High Leave, Get up, right up.
Speaker 5: I was trying to make sure we get we cleared
Speaker 5: the rights.
Speaker 1: Motorola razor, release the phone. Do you have a razor? No?
Speaker 1: I had. I think I was like a junior in
Speaker 1: high school. Right here the razor. I had a black
Speaker 1: razor flip phone. I thought it was sick. Shake Shack
Speaker 1: opened its first location. Burger Fan, big deal fan.
Speaker 2: Are you vegan right, I've been a vegan for twenty
Speaker 2: eight years.
Speaker 1: How you liking it?
Speaker 2: I'm good at it?
Speaker 1: Yeah all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel better to put a little bit of
Speaker 2: meat on me. It's hard to put on muscle, but
Speaker 2: but you stay lean and stay healthy. The idea, Yeah,
Speaker 2: come on over, man, come on over.
Speaker 1: I when I would play I would do like vegan
Speaker 1: three days I do like three days where I wouldn't
Speaker 1: eat meat or i'd have Yeah, what was the idea there?
Speaker 1: When I was trying to lean up for like a
Speaker 1: photo shoot or something, wud be like men's health or something,
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, you know, try to get try to
Speaker 1: get yoked. Oh she's twelves drops in December.
Speaker 2: Yep, I never saw it.
Speaker 1: You never saw I heard. So you don't like watching
Speaker 1: your movies.
Speaker 2: I don't love watching my movies, and those I didn't
Speaker 2: even really like. I shouldn't say that I didn't like
Speaker 2: those movies.
Speaker 1: I didn't like this.
Speaker 2: It's just not my kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you never watched good one thing?
Speaker 2: I saw a good one thing? Yeah, just because.
Speaker 5: Why do you?
Speaker 1: Why? What was that?
Speaker 2: I took some notes time, like watching film.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're the MVP.
Speaker 2: In the super Bowl, Dude, it's like I hate that
Speaker 2: over and over You're like, hey, I look at that catch.
Speaker 2: I'm watching him, like, you know, a lot of other
Speaker 2: people have manipulated what you've done, and also you just
Speaker 2: have to live with what you've done. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like here, you're done your voice on the answering
Speaker 2: machine or something.
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. I don't like watching like
Speaker 1: rewatching our shit, even though I do it with the
Speaker 1: coach sometimes just to kind of see where I can get.
Speaker 2: Back to watch these.
Speaker 1: I don't watch these, but like my TV stuff, I
Speaker 1: don't like watching these at all.
Speaker 2: But yeah, can they give you media training for this?
Speaker 2: Teach you what you can say you can't say for this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, this is just we own this. This is
Speaker 1: where we produce this, right right.
Speaker 3: And we also just cut the stuff.
Speaker 1: Yea. My Space was a social media platform. You remembers,
Speaker 1: did you have my Space? Didn't You didn't jump on
Speaker 1: my Space? So you're a little older.
Speaker 2: See what was happening in two thousand and four is
Speaker 2: I was having a kid, so I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1: To Are you stressed my desks? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was like what is? I was a young dude.
Speaker 2: I had a pregnant girlfriend and I was gonna have
Speaker 2: a baby. It was the best year of my life.
Speaker 2: It turned changed everything for the better. But I wasn't
Speaker 2: getting the new Razor or watching Jojo or starting my
Speaker 2: MySpace you know, fan base.
Speaker 1: And you could have had so many cool pictures of
Speaker 1: your new baby on MySpace.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, moving around that top eight.
Speaker 1: I was a junior in high school growing up in
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, so like all those things were at the heat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bet of everything Facebook, it was crazy. You mister popular
Speaker 1: in school. No, I wasn't mister popular.
Speaker 2: You're the QB. You're a good looking dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was like an undersized kid still. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't hit puberty until I was like eighteen. I was
Speaker 1: like five to two until like my senior year.
Speaker 2: And you were still five.
Speaker 1: I was five. I was five to two. I was
Speaker 1: like five to five my junior year. I was like,
Speaker 1: I sprout up to like five eight my senior year.
Speaker 1: I started playing quarterback my sophomore year. I was late.
Speaker 2: You made up for the late in life.
Speaker 1: Let's go into the sports world of two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: The College Football National Championship LSU. Is that a save
Speaker 1: in LSU? Uh?
Speaker 5: Yes, I belie if that was the one saving one
Speaker 5: for the Tigers.
Speaker 1: College football guy. No, No, I'm Boston. See that. It
Speaker 1: goes to our town, that goes to our ship. We
Speaker 1: always talk about always. I grew up in the Bay
Speaker 1: which is very similar to Boston, where we're a pro
Speaker 1: sport area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you have great pro sports teams, it
Speaker 2: takes a lot of the energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Super Bowl Champions, New England Patriots. So you guys
Speaker 1: got to be starting to feel some juices in Boston.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah at this point, you know, socks are
Speaker 1: knocking at the door. Patriots got a couple. Where does
Speaker 1: that bring us in the hierarchy of of Boston sport fan?
Speaker 1: For you, in the sports baseball, basketball, football.
Speaker 2: I grew up baseball, Baseball is number one. My dad
Speaker 2: was a huge football you know. It's where he probably
Speaker 2: made more money betting on football than he did working
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 3: Bar as far as hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was. It was always football for this guyst.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I skated hockey. I skated
Speaker 2: with Bobby or one time. So I so, but I
Speaker 2: I lost interest in it and too small, got beat
Speaker 2: too many times, I get and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: Like baseball better. So that's that's our rank.
Speaker 1: And basketball was last. Was like, yeah, that was I
Speaker 1: gonna do? Soxtown guy. I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Loved Celtics, but I didn't I couldn't play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 5: What did you play in high school?
Speaker 1: Baseball? Baseball? Okay, play some baseball.
Speaker 3: Let's go baby, Yeah, let's go baby.
Speaker 2: Stores baseball team in the state.
Speaker 1: The only way I made varsity.
Speaker 3: Would you play with position?
Speaker 2: I played shortstop?
Speaker 3: Oh, let's go.
Speaker 2: I still and I came When I missed it, I
Speaker 2: was saying, I missed playing so much. I came out
Speaker 2: here and I started a baseball team. We played the
Speaker 2: LA Park and Rec League Heart Pitch, and then we
Speaker 2: play yeah yeah, And then we played in the Wood
Speaker 2: Bat League Beverly Hills Wood bad League twenty fourteen City Champs.
Speaker 3: Let's go down.
Speaker 2: So I kept playing, and then until just a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago when I had sergeion elbow.
Speaker 1: You gotta hit the soft pitch, slow, slow pitch softball. Now, dogs,
Speaker 1: they're fun. I used to be a ringer with my dad.
Speaker 1: I used to go play on his team because I
Speaker 1: went to junior college for years, so I was still
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah, he'd hit me up on Wednesday nights, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go yeah, we need you.
Speaker 2: Up.
Speaker 1: Hit bombs now.
Speaker 2: Wait two thousand and four, though, can we just talk
Speaker 2: for a minute about the about Game three. I was
Speaker 2: at Game three in New York. Matt and I actually
Speaker 2: we were there. We're sitting on third baseline, only people
Speaker 2: in Yankee Stadium. This is two thousand and four. Uh,
Speaker 2: we are down that game. We lost that game, so
Speaker 2: we're down three, right, Am I getting it right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And a rod is there a third? And I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever had this happen. I've been through a
Speaker 2: million baseball games and been loud, and I've never had
Speaker 2: the players acknowledge me. And dude, we're there the only
Speaker 2: people I think wearing Red Sox hat balls and move
Speaker 2: in Yankee Stadium and I'm being loud, and eventually Era
Speaker 2: looks over right at us, just stares it, gives a
Speaker 2: look of like like it's just a mosquito that's been
Speaker 2: in his ear all night, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like hate, you know, just annoyance, hate and and uh
Speaker 2: and then he goes back to the game. It's one
Speaker 2: of my proudest moments as a fan. As a fan.
Speaker 2: And then when we lose that game, that's the last
Speaker 2: game of the curse. I like to think that we
Speaker 2: broke the curse. Then it's the first game in Boston, right,
Speaker 2: which is Game four, That game which I said, I
Speaker 2: guess Big Poppy on to talk about or whatever but
Speaker 2: I I have I know a lot of people talk
Speaker 2: about it, but when I was thinking about that game,
Speaker 2: I was like, the most interesting thing about that game
Speaker 2: is how and he wouldn't say this probably is that
Speaker 2: unremarkable it actually was. It was like, no, it was
Speaker 2: no historically good performance on the mound or at the plate.
Speaker 2: It was like their guys are slumping Avertech was kind
Speaker 2: of everyone's they'd kind of slumping. Who is it? Second
Speaker 2: he had a few like yeah.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of like infield errors. It was
Speaker 2: like not a great game that It was like, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a shutout, it wasn't a blow. It's just that
Speaker 2: they went back and forth like they had the lead,
Speaker 2: We had the lead.
Speaker 3: They had the lead with the extras too, I think
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then and then in the ninth inning they bring
Speaker 2: in a bear and the only unusual thing that happens,
Speaker 2: other than it being like we're on the brink of
Speaker 2: falling apart of losing the season, is that he walks
Speaker 2: the lead off at and then it was like that
Speaker 2: never happened. And then things started to turn, and then
Speaker 2: it was ste and then we then we tied it
Speaker 2: up and then it went over. But it only went
Speaker 2: like a few innings.
Speaker 5: Mark Behorn, Mark Beorn.
Speaker 2: Bell Horn and Bariteck were both slumping, and then bell
Speaker 2: An a couple of errors. Good dude, good player, bad game, whatever,
Speaker 2: and then and so it was kind of like a
Speaker 2: nothing game. It's only in the context of the one
Speaker 2: hundred year picture of what was happening. Then it becomes
Speaker 2: a great game because you know, pig Poppy hits it
Speaker 2: out doing the game that was. But he's doing that
Speaker 2: that's even not even that uncommon, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like how many times did he had to walk off?
Speaker 2: So Ortiz gets to walk off as a big celebration
Speaker 2: and they stay alive. But it only becomes an important
Speaker 2: game because it was the first game that starts the
Speaker 2: next seven where they just fucking goo, they just run it.
Speaker 2: So that's why I love that game, just like every
Speaker 2: day baseball in a weird way, and it's just a
Speaker 2: big picture story of it that makes it awesome.
Speaker 5: In another one of those games, Yank Classic Yankees Red
Speaker 5: Sox takes about four hours.
Speaker 3: It's a war of attrition.
Speaker 5: No one leaves. Stadium is still packed, but you're right.
Speaker 5: Then there are those moments where it like switches and
Speaker 5: becomes his story.
Speaker 2: Who was it Derek Low? Where'd it say?
Speaker 5: Is it Derek Low? Would have been in Game four?
Speaker 5: The one we came back was that was Derek Low.
Speaker 2: Yep, Derek who was not like was not being given
Speaker 2: for some reason. I feel like he had something to prove.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well was it was he dropped or something?
Speaker 2: He was like pissing, but he was.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was absolutely insane that postseason run.
Speaker 3: Let me see what it was.
Speaker 2: But he only threw a few He gave up a
Speaker 2: few runs. He only threw like four or five innings.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have the stats, but it
Speaker 2: was all kind of like, man, like, where's this going?
Speaker 3: Did you go any more games? After you went to
Speaker 3: the Game three? He didn't see the rest.
Speaker 2: I didn't see the rest. That was the only one
Speaker 2: I could get to. And and I had a brand
Speaker 2: new bait. My son was born May thirty first, two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, so I had a I remember, We're
Speaker 2: in this tiny apartment in New York when they won.
Speaker 2: I'm watching on TV. Kid is sleeping. My wife, doesn't
Speaker 2: my girlfriend care about baseball? She's it's one room bed,
Speaker 2: TV kitchen. I'm like silently like she's like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: Shut up?
Speaker 2: You know the sleeping. I was like losing my mind.
Speaker 1: Who's your first call? Your dad? I think you got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was my brother. I don't know where he was.
Speaker 2: It might have been a dude. I worked at Fenway
Speaker 2: with this guy. We worked like every loom. It wasn't
Speaker 2: even a very good friend of mine at the time,
Speaker 2: but I he was the kid I watched a hundred
Speaker 2: million games with, you know, losing, always losing. Oakland A's
Speaker 2: coming in. Only home runs we ever caught when I
Speaker 2: was there was the other team. They'd come over the
Speaker 2: Monster to go like get the ball. It's never our club,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Would you ever take? Would you do it?
Speaker 3: Fenway?
Speaker 2: Just so sausages and hot dogs?
Speaker 3: You have a good like sausage it get your sausage hit?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I was out there.
Speaker 1: I was so young.
Speaker 2: You know, when you were young.
Speaker 1: You don't know how young you.
Speaker 2: Look if you're in eighth grade. I also I didn't
Speaker 2: hit you.
Speaker 1: Eighth grade grade were down those stairs the worst.
Speaker 2: I'm behind the Green Monster in a in a sausage
Speaker 2: stand outside on Land on the streets.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're one of the street sausages guys.
Speaker 2: And I'm there so f when I get out of school,
Speaker 2: I gotta go over to the park set up to
Speaker 2: think sausages are hundred days old, pulling the rats off
Speaker 2: and you're putting the sausages on the grill, and then
Speaker 2: you work the inn. People coming in drunk, a million
Speaker 2: drunks coming to give you a sausage, kid.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then and then everyone's in the park. We'd sneak in,
Speaker 2: we'd walk, we'd give food to the guy the turnstile.
Speaker 2: We'd watch the games from like the fourth to the seventh,
Speaker 2: and then we'd come out. And then people were really
Speaker 2: drunk coming out and you're serving them sausages on the
Speaker 2: way home. And then the guy who owned my stand
Speaker 2: would just go into the Cask and Flagon, which is
Speaker 2: a big bar or the corner, big famous bar. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm in eighth grade. I look like I'm seven years old,
Speaker 2: and he's like, come in, rock. You didn't want to
Speaker 2: get me a ride home until you'd had a few.
Speaker 2: So I go in and I wait in the bar.
Speaker 2: No one gives a shit that I'm sitting there at
Speaker 2: the bar. The guy has a few more more drinks,
Speaker 2: then gives me a ride home. I get home at
Speaker 2: eleven thirty at night. My mom's like, do you homework?
Speaker 1: Go to bed? That was my day. You know, Jesus,
Speaker 1: have you been back to Fenway since you've become somebody?
Speaker 1: Did you sign the wall? Did you go in the
Speaker 1: monster and sign the wall? Yeah, that's a cool thing,
Speaker 1: sign the wall. Yeah. They have like the coolest names.
Speaker 1: Everyone's in there, like if you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he used to go take peas between innings or
Speaker 5: during the innings.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to take peas. Probably going together.
Speaker 4: I was talking to the guy who's in there doing
Speaker 4: the scoreboards like this exactly who you think he was.
Speaker 3: He was in contract negotiation with Fenway. He was like,
Speaker 3: if it doesn't go my way, I'll be on the show.
Speaker 3: I'll blow him up.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything.
Speaker 3: So I must have went as well. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: beautiful park.
Speaker 2: There's all as little there's like a scorekeeper, there's all
Speaker 2: these little I've gotten to see. The like underbelly of
Speaker 2: the park is so sick.
Speaker 1: Let's let's jump into the Yankees.
Speaker 3: Wait, let's let's we gotta do Boston real Quick.
Speaker 1: Hit, the Boston Run, the real quick run through the Sox.
Speaker 5: Cat ninety eight and sixty four came in second in
Speaker 5: the ALS. In the Al East that year, they were
Speaker 5: the wild card team. Kerry coming off, we gotta set
Speaker 5: the stage here a little bit, coming off a Game
Speaker 5: seven loss of the year before in the ALCS. We
Speaker 5: remember that the uh, the freaking Aaron Boone game. That
Speaker 5: was not fun.
Speaker 3: So Grady Little gets asked after that season.
Speaker 5: This is the first year with Tito's manager Terry francona
Speaker 5: pick up shilling Poke Reese, Keith Folk in the offseason.
Speaker 5: Pretty big acquisitions down the stretch. Third year the theo
Speaker 5: epsin era boy Genius. Second year with the monster seats.
Speaker 5: We're talking monster Oh.
Speaker 1: I remember when they put those in there. Watching the
Speaker 1: Sports Center, I was California KI. We didn't get any
Speaker 1: of the Red Sox Yankees. Shit, yeah, we were full SF. Yeah, Dodgers.
Speaker 1: That was like our the Dodgers still do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's always like these crazy fights.
Speaker 1: There's Giants and Dodgers.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, there's a shanking every year.
Speaker 5: Every year rival, And then we can't talk about four
Speaker 5: without talking about Nomar getting traded in August, crazy man.
Speaker 1: Which could have been because of this game.
Speaker 5: It could have been. It could have been because.
Speaker 1: This I mean, we thought you picked this game because
Speaker 1: the fight with their attack and a rod bench is clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, one guy didn't go one guy didn't clear
Speaker 1: the bench no more.
Speaker 2: He was an interesting dude. I mean, how would he
Speaker 2: have done in the era of the faster game. Would
Speaker 2: they have policed his like twenty minute fucking routine then
Speaker 2: before he comes to the plate, because then the picture
Speaker 2: is gonna run out of side, like how does the
Speaker 2: clock work?
Speaker 1: No more?
Speaker 3: In the pitch clock era would be a menace.
Speaker 1: He get a pitch clock tou like it's an exemption
Speaker 1: because a fucking OCD. Man. If you if they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna let me do my thing.
Speaker 5: Walk up to the plate and hand on the doctor's note.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh.
Speaker 5: And of course this is the year of the idiots,
Speaker 5: the scruffy guys, the beards, the long hair. Johnny damon
Speaker 5: those guys really rallying the troops, baby tough team not
Speaker 5: to root for?
Speaker 1: What about these New York Yankees?
Speaker 5: The Evil Empire baby, we're going full Homer. This episode
Speaker 5: one one sixty one won the Al East again. Uh,
Speaker 5: seventh straight year winning that thing. Uh coming off a
Speaker 5: World Series loss this season prior lost to six and
Speaker 5: six to the Marlins. Dontrell Willis teams Jack McKee and
Speaker 5: those are some good Marlins teams. And this was the
Speaker 5: first a Rod year we mentioned earlier. The Red Sox
Speaker 5: lost out on the A Rod sweepstakes after his leaving
Speaker 5: the Rangers and he lands in New York. Uh, this
Speaker 5: is a big star power Yankees team. I mean you
Speaker 5: got the Giambis, the Jeters, the Flash, Gordon's of Kenny
Speaker 5: Lofton's Matsui. I mean this was Fernie Williams, Gary Sheffield.
Speaker 2: This was a squad.
Speaker 3: This is a squad. This was a squad.
Speaker 1: Chef Mario Come, I can't forget the Goat.
Speaker 5: I know, mister blown crazy.
Speaker 2: Dat's duk hit.
Speaker 5: He was pitching a game four, I believe, so yes,
Speaker 5: let me double check that one.
Speaker 3: See Man Casey, great memory.
Speaker 1: Even though I was on the Bay, I was in
Speaker 1: the I was on the West coast for this and
Speaker 1: this is high school heat of my the area time,
Speaker 1: no matter where you were in the country. You hated
Speaker 1: the Yankees. I hated the Yankees. I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about the Yankees other than Babe Ruth and fucking Willie
Speaker 1: Jackson or whatever and all those guys. But I hated
Speaker 1: the Yankees just because they Everyone talked so highly of them,
Speaker 1: always on Sports Center, because that's how we digested our
Speaker 1: sports back then. You know, you didn't watch the game
Speaker 1: because we didn't have tickets, We didn't have fucking satellite TV.
Speaker 1: You know, you see them sports Center. I was like,
Speaker 1: they got all the pub I fucking hated the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Because you're a good man. That's why, good dude, you
Speaker 2: have a good heart.
Speaker 1: You know, you know the.
Speaker 2: Difference between an evil baseball team and everyone else and
Speaker 2: a great They just have too much money, you want
Speaker 2: it's not the spirit of baseball to just buy players,
Speaker 2: you know, by to buy the best all the time.
Speaker 3: But then the Red Sox do that eventually.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what you're talking about, b No,
Speaker 2: he didn't. We embraced the moneyball. We started getting guys
Speaker 2: that were like not not that you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: not these big stars started putting it together THEO. But
Speaker 2: you had I guess Boston and New York, Boston and
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Like, we didn't know anything about sermons that
Speaker 2: was going on out there, really, but that was a
Speaker 2: It's also a similarly great town for sports.
Speaker 1: And growing up. It was awesome when we had the
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Big
Speaker 1: Football Area Giants. I mean we loved, we all loved
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent, Benito Santiago throwing from
Speaker 1: the knees, John Beck or who was remember John Beck
Speaker 1: with the fucking Jerry curl mullet. He'd come out. He
Speaker 1: was our closer the Giants. We got close a few
Speaker 1: times as a fucking rally monkey from La got us
Speaker 1: with that stupid remember that, the rally monkey. What the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Angels they had the rally monkey. We were
Speaker 1: up like three to one in the series and they
Speaker 1: bust out this fucking rally monkey thing.
Speaker 2: Is that a mascot?
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck it is?
Speaker 3: Like monkey?
Speaker 1: It was like a monkey that they brought in this
Speaker 1: one point of the game, and they kept it throughout
Speaker 1: throughout the whole series and came back and won. It
Speaker 1: came back and won it.
Speaker 2: I learned a lot about you know, Earl.
Speaker 1: Smith is Earl Smith.
Speaker 2: He worked for the Golden State Warriors and also for
Speaker 2: the Niners, as they're like you know, pastor, yes, it's
Speaker 2: there like team team, you know, you pray with them
Speaker 2: and stuff. And when I was started, I had this
Speaker 2: baseball team I played on, and we started to go
Speaker 2: up and play at San Quentin against the prisoners, just
Speaker 2: because they had a baseball team. And so I learned
Speaker 2: about this guy who had started their baseball program, and he.
Speaker 1: Was the uh.
Speaker 2: He worked at the prison mostly there trying to get
Speaker 2: guys to come to church and stuff. But then he
Speaker 2: started a baseball program and he realized that like he
Speaker 2: couldn't get the prisoners to come to church and pray,
Speaker 2: but he could get them.
Speaker 1: He could.
Speaker 2: It was a time in Sint Quentin, like all these
Speaker 2: gang wars going on and stuff, and he he was like,
Speaker 2: I could get I could get them to play basketball
Speaker 2: and baseball together, from different gangs, different races. I couldn't
Speaker 2: ever get them to come to church. So he started
Speaker 2: this program and then it kind of blew up and
Speaker 2: then we heard about it, and so I took a
Speaker 2: baseball team up there, and we started playing them. Every
Speaker 2: year we'd go up and play against them, and so
Speaker 2: I got to know Earl, amazing dude, incredible life story,
Speaker 2: had been shot six times in the head and neck, survived,
Speaker 2: he'd gone on to like seminary school, and you know,
Speaker 2: he started out as like a gang banger and then
Speaker 2: he ended up doing this and now he and so
Speaker 2: one time he invited us up to watch the last
Speaker 2: game between between the Raiders and the and the Niners.
Speaker 2: I guess fights on those ones a lot of game.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on? So we're down on
Speaker 2: the sideline with him and my kids, which was like
Speaker 2: a really special moment.
Speaker 1: Because we're up close, you know, stadium.
Speaker 2: We were in the stadium that I guess was since.
Speaker 1: Closed in Okay, candles in Oakland.
Speaker 2: Coliseum, which is now done, right is she gone?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So we were there, and so it's a really big
Speaker 2: deal because there was the rivalry and it was the
Speaker 2: last time they were going to play against each other
Speaker 2: because then they left. So there was like sixteen brawls,
Speaker 2: I mean, and the game's just going on. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at like there's thirty people fist fighting up there in
Speaker 2: the stands and no one's paying any attention.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that sounds about right. It's crazy, Yeah, La Dodgers.
Speaker 1: When the Dodgers played Giants, that's usually four or five
Speaker 1: stab beings. You know. When the Raiders play the Niners
Speaker 1: over Runners, usually eight fights. I mean, it's fucking nuts.
Speaker 1: My mom being a ballsy lady that she is. When
Speaker 1: as we went and played in the Colisseum, like my
Speaker 1: second year, my mom wore my fucking jersey in there,
Speaker 1: and like, if you're at Oakland Coliseum Raiders game, either
Speaker 1: a Hell's Angel, a blood Crip, an Ortannal Sereniel, or
Speaker 1: like some fucking weird dude that's a lawyer that dresses
Speaker 1: up in spikes and shit. So everyone is legitimately just
Speaker 1: fucking crazy and they haze everyone who comes into the stadium.
Speaker 1: My mom rolls up in my jersey. It's like, shut up,
Speaker 1: my son's from the Bay Area, and you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: say shit to me. Like I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: let's go in. My mom is fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: How many people that she stabbing?
Speaker 1: No, No, he's got it.
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't mess with hands.
Speaker 1: Bro, got that dog in her? Yes, right, alright, got
Speaker 1: that dog in her right. Let's game game lead up, Jackie.
Speaker 5: All right, let's set the stage for this bad boy
Speaker 5: middle of the season, right after the All Star break.
Speaker 5: This Socks come in fifty two and forty four. The
Speaker 5: Yanks come in sixty one and thirty four. We're nine
Speaker 5: and a half back in the Al East, and the
Speaker 5: Socks we're slumping a little bit lost three to the
Speaker 5: last four. The Yankees, on the other hand, one four
Speaker 5: in a row. It's a Saturday afternoon game, nice and quiet,
Speaker 5: just to you know. You're at the home, napping on
Speaker 5: the couch, watching a little little game of the week
Speaker 5: on Fox.
Speaker 3: And uh, this is a brawl game, though.
Speaker 5: All hell breaks loose home before the storm, Calm before
Speaker 5: the storm. And we gotta preface this with the fight
Speaker 5: the year before in the game three of the two
Speaker 5: thousand and six two thousand and three ALCS Pedro versus
Speaker 5: Don Zimmer. So there's already been better.
Speaker 2: Say this about that Pedro Pedro. That wasn't fair. People
Speaker 2: talked about it. It was not because Dunzi were charged.
Speaker 2: He was standing there just defending himself and he just
Speaker 2: used the man's weight again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And he ended up falling down because he's oh god,
Speaker 2: and he was worked up, and and it wasn't It
Speaker 2: didn't make me happy to see it now, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't fair to say that Pedro threw this
Speaker 2: man to the ground.
Speaker 5: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Hey man, no matter what age you are, you come
Speaker 1: charging to get your ass ready. Yea, that old ass?
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, what was he so angry?
Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly what started that fight, whereas this
Speaker 5: one was like so clearly the plunking of a rod and.
Speaker 1: He mushed him. He didn't even he could have punched
Speaker 1: this old guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he laid him down easy, baby. I Yeah, that
Speaker 5: Pedro gets a bad rap for that one. I'm with you,
Speaker 5: But that's definitely a memorable moment. That uh, that was
Speaker 5: still bruined from earlier in the year. And like this
Speaker 5: was really a heat of Yankees Red Sox hatred and rivalry.
Speaker 3: I've got a question for you, So, when was the
Speaker 3: darkest moment of.
Speaker 4: Being a Boston fan? Is it before the two thousand Patriots?
Speaker 4: Is it three with the Red Sox before they break through?
Speaker 4: Like when's really the darkest before the dawn?
Speaker 1: It's definitely before the Pats start winning.
Speaker 2: That that was when light light broke through the clouds
Speaker 2: there and then and then the socks came up. But
Speaker 2: so so maybe it's just the nineties is everyone. I
Speaker 2: can't remember what's having with the Bruins, but I think
Speaker 2: everybody was just losing and there's a few years there
Speaker 2: where to make matters worse. We had like hope, there's
Speaker 2: hope there was socks looked like they might. I can't
Speaker 2: remember when Morgan magic was. That was like in late nineties.
Speaker 2: Remember we won thirty games, They replaced the we got
Speaker 2: a new manager, and we won the first like thirty
Speaker 2: games in a row. It was like it was like
Speaker 2: a miracle. Everyone thought, this is it. We're gonna we're
Speaker 2: making a run for it now. And then we just
Speaker 2: started losing again, and I think people thought it's never
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Recurse that that was maybe the darkest moment
Speaker 2: and the Pats what was going on. And then in
Speaker 2: the late nineties in the Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl with Bledsoe in ninety five four got smoked, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they went against eighty five Bears. They were
Speaker 1: leading at that game three zero, but then got smoked.
Speaker 2: In eighty five eighty five, just ten years old. That
Speaker 2: I'm not I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mid to late nineties.
Speaker 2: We have to make jumps, like by the decade to
Speaker 2: find little good moments.
Speaker 1: Of it was rough. It's pretty much how New York
Speaker 1: is right now. Yeah, it's been a decade since they've
Speaker 1: had a championship in any sport of the Big four.
Speaker 1: That it could be decade plus, could be decade plus,
Speaker 1: which I think is honestly bad for sport. They need
Speaker 1: like it's kind of embarrassing, Like, we gotta they gotta
Speaker 1: start getting this thing up a little more.
Speaker 2: They have all the money. What's the problem.
Speaker 1: It's weird distractions.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, though, it is good for sports when
Speaker 5: a New York team is like in the mix a little.
Speaker 1: Bit because everyone likes rooting for a not routing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to have a bad guy. What do they
Speaker 1: call it the protagonist in the movie antagonist? You know
Speaker 1: you need that. So year before and three they lose
Speaker 1: in the ALCS to these guys, these Yankees that had
Speaker 1: to be must watch TV anytime they played the next year?
Speaker 1: Then was it for like you? Is it you circle
Speaker 1: the calendar whenever you're playing the Yankees or was it
Speaker 1: like a special Was there something special when like you
Speaker 1: watch that or you see it with a friend, a buddy,
Speaker 1: a certain you know, superstition that you'd have have. Is
Speaker 1: any of that when you're watching with the Yankees? Or
Speaker 1: it's just a little little more intention.
Speaker 2: He's just a bigger charge. Yeah, you just want to
Speaker 2: see that game. Yeah, it matters more, it's more, it's
Speaker 2: more important then. Uh, and you're tracking usually you know
Speaker 2: the Yankees, you knew you were hearing a lot about them.
Speaker 2: As you say, you're watching Sports Center, you're hearing a
Speaker 2: lot about them. So you know that who that team is,
Speaker 2: you know the players. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: This game was going back and forth, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: it really. It was kind of a shitty game until
Speaker 1: the third inning where the fight was.
Speaker 5: There's a tracked me to a game. Like Derek Jeter
Speaker 5: said after the game, whoever was at bat last was
Speaker 5: winning this thing.
Speaker 3: Allah.
Speaker 5: You know some of these Chiefs Bills shoot out we
Speaker 5: see in modern football. It was it's weird to think
Speaker 5: that in baseball, But like this game really was that
Speaker 5: way a little slow starting the Yankees get up three nothing,
Speaker 5: then we get the fireworks. In the third, a rod
Speaker 5: gets plunked with it's like a slow curveball right in
Speaker 5: the padded elbow pad and he comes out. He's jerping
Speaker 5: it vera tag, chirping it very tag. He gives them
Speaker 5: three f us and then the fourth the f you motherfucker.
Speaker 5: That's when he gets the mint in the face from Veritex,
Speaker 5: from Veritechthe's a big dude, big big guy.
Speaker 2: I like underrated rivalries are between catchers and it's not
Speaker 2: a catcher, but there's something when the catchers worked up
Speaker 2: because he's big. They're big, they're armored, they look like warriors,
Speaker 2: like the Thurman Munson was the he was the guy
Speaker 2: Yankees way back then, the same way. You know, tragic
Speaker 2: and his story, but like that. Those are great fights.
Speaker 5: Yes hockey, yes, and smartly Veritech. He didn't take off
Speaker 5: the mask, he doesn't shed anything. He just goes mitt
Speaker 5: right to the face baby, and then he goes for
Speaker 5: the lift up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw that he was going for the leg like
Speaker 1: he was gonna dip them.
Speaker 3: It's weird. Yeah, he went I think that.
Speaker 1: You know the fights nowadays, you see guys giving one
Speaker 1: two s.
Speaker 2: Which that sounds fun. Yeah, oh it's too far. I
Speaker 2: think it's a little.
Speaker 1: Much and you could break a hand. You're on the
Speaker 1: d o even though there's no incentive to play in
Speaker 1: baseball because contracts are guaranteed.
Speaker 2: But but you don't actually don't want to break the
Speaker 2: dude's shaw or break their nose. That's like you want
Speaker 2: to see a wrestling match. You want to see like
Speaker 2: an old school bench clearing. Like guys, there used to
Speaker 2: be brawls and baseball and people wouldn't really get that hurt.
Speaker 3: You know, we see the the veriteke a ride is
Speaker 3: what it starts with.
Speaker 5: Then it kind of splinters off and you get a
Speaker 5: you get a Tanyan Stirts.
Speaker 3: Got tossed, Kenny Lofts in the mix, get you.
Speaker 5: Get tossed, and then you get you get big poppy Trot,
Speaker 5: Nixon and Gabe doing a three on one on Stirts.
Speaker 5: It was starting that day. He was just starting Pitcher
Speaker 5: getting in there, throwing punches, doing cheap shots on Gabe Kapler.
Speaker 5: So that really that's one of those moments you know,
Speaker 5: this team is getting galvinized when when you got three dudes.
Speaker 3: Going at one, So these dudes are getting.
Speaker 2: These dudes are at the top of their game and
Speaker 2: they're they're on a winning team. Yes, they don't want
Speaker 2: to break their hands, you know, so you know they're
Speaker 2: really worked up if they're doing something because they're pro athletes,
Speaker 2: hurt out there, they want to play, Paul.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't three on one to
Speaker 1: pick picture. Though.
Speaker 3: I do like this.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like if a quarterback throws in her eception,
Speaker 1: you see a fucking defensive lineman try to go back
Speaker 1: and block the quarterback as tacky. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit.
Speaker 2: It's funny some of these guys you hate them for
Speaker 2: so long because they're on the other team.
Speaker 1: They're probably nice guys. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Pasada, he's probably a lovely dude, But when I see
Speaker 2: his face, I just think, like, hey, man, I hate you,
Speaker 2: but it's not fair, you know what I mean. He's
Speaker 2: a total stranger.
Speaker 1: You know that probably everyone, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: think like that way of Tom. Oh for sure, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and it's crazy because whenever
Speaker 1: someone who hates him meets him, they end up like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't hate the guy. He's really just a dude.
Speaker 1: Did people hate you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: They hated us. Bro, did they hate you? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did eas easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not easily hat Well. I would go
Speaker 2: like people people, even when they're on the other team.
Speaker 2: You always like the guys. Haven't they respected me? They
Speaker 2: respected me, but I would like I loved taking on
Speaker 2: that villain role of when like we would go And
Speaker 2: one of my things was when when the team would
Speaker 2: go out, we were introduced. I'd let Tom go for
Speaker 2: the first fifteen yards because he leads us out, and
Speaker 2: then I would I would start a sprint and I
Speaker 2: would sprint all the way to the other end and
Speaker 2: i'd fucking like give a fist pump jump to.
Speaker 1: Like the other crowd. They'd be booming and stuff, and
Speaker 1: I had like fed off that. I loved that. I
Speaker 1: want to you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It was like but the players on the field.
Speaker 1: Nah, they all respected and no one. By the time
Speaker 1: I got older, the league has kind of changed, Like
Speaker 1: you didn't want to talk shit with me because then
Speaker 1: it would piss me off. And then I was gonna
Speaker 1: fuck you up every play. And it didn't matter if
Speaker 1: it was a run play or a pass play. Something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Don't don't don't bark up this tree, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was like that, so and
Speaker 1: they knew that that'd probably be in the scouting report,
Speaker 1: like don't piss him off because you know I don't.
Speaker 1: He uses it. He uses it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you weren't talking that much to people.
Speaker 1: If they never crossed lines, and it'd be like stupid ship,
Speaker 1: like did you Like I remember this one dB from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: He had this fucking Jerry Curle thing going on, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, you ain't good look, you ain't
Speaker 1: good looking enough to have that hair. You gotta cut
Speaker 1: that ship like immediately, like after roasting him on something
Speaker 1: like I would say ship like that, like, bro, you
Speaker 1: have no swag. Or guy would come come up to me.
Speaker 1: One time, this guy comes up to me from it
Speaker 1: was some I think it was like Jacksonville or something,
Speaker 1: and we we've already had like two super Bowls at
Speaker 1: the time. I go, bro, I've forgotten more football important
Speaker 1: football games that you played in dude, Like can you
Speaker 1: just get the funk out of my face? Like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff like check the resume, get out of here.
Speaker 2: And people didn't Simes take it personally like we were
Speaker 2: in a fight on the field.
Speaker 1: Me and Benny sat almost got in a fight. He
Speaker 1: was a safety for the Dolphins. I used to fight
Speaker 1: and practice a little bit with your own squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that about it? Because practice was competitive. I remember
Speaker 1: when we first signed Gilmore Gilmore, he came over from
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and I was like it was kind of
Speaker 1: like a welcome, welcome to the team moment, like we
Speaker 1: practice hard here, so kind of pissed off that you're
Speaker 1: making fourteen when I route you up every single time
Speaker 1: we've gone at each other, and like it just gets
Speaker 1: Practices are like mini games in the NFL because we
Speaker 1: don't have one hundred and twenty eight one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two games, so those those practices become really competitive,
Speaker 1: and especially in New England, like they put such an
Speaker 1: emphasis on execution and competition because when you do it
Speaker 1: hard in practice the game, you feel that situation. It's
Speaker 1: like muscle memory, it's like deja vu.
Speaker 2: But the practices I've seen you guys aren't even fully padded.
Speaker 1: There was padded practices and then there's shell days. So
Speaker 1: you'd like when I was first in the league, you
Speaker 1: could have as many padded practices as you want, which
Speaker 1: we'd have like two a week. Usually usually Friday would
Speaker 1: be a fast Friday where you're in shells because you
Speaker 1: just want to have a nice fast a no balls
Speaker 1: in the ground. And then as I got older and
Speaker 1: through a second bargain agreement, we were only allowed fifteen
Speaker 1: padded practices a year, So.
Speaker 2: That was to just protect guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also why a lot of the offensive line
Speaker 1: defensive line plays, like offensive line play for sure is
Speaker 1: gone to ship because of that, because they need to
Speaker 1: feel the pads so they can have that rev. It's
Speaker 1: like dancing together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But having the pads means more contact, means more brain injuries,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they just implicated these like new condom things
Speaker 1: that they put on your helmet for practice that are
Speaker 1: supposed to distribute the energy. There's a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: Technology is getting like really good right now.
Speaker 2: I think these guys are getting so big and fast
Speaker 2: that sounds gonna get very badly hurt definitely.
Speaker 1: And there I mean a lot of these rule changes
Speaker 1: we all bitch and complain about, Like they're doing the
Speaker 1: hip hip drop tackle where guy's from behind can't just
Speaker 1: drop their weight on the back of the guy's leg anymore.
Speaker 1: How does that work? So if a guy's getting tackle
Speaker 1: or running and a guy comes from behind and he
Speaker 1: grabs you, yeah, he can't just drop his weight on
Speaker 1: the back of your legs anymore. That's a fifteen yard fine.
Speaker 1: Or like if you swing a guy, or like the
Speaker 1: horse collar you can't grab a guy from the behind
Speaker 1: or a face mask.
Speaker 2: But the horse caller has been their place for a long.
Speaker 1: Time, probably about fifteen years now, you know. But the
Speaker 1: hip drops new this year. That's gonna be a huge one.
Speaker 1: And you try to get the behavior out through fine
Speaker 1: and then goes through the farming systems of the younger kids.
Speaker 1: And the only.
Speaker 2: Ones I see that I feel like aren't being managed
Speaker 2: right is the is the rough past.
Speaker 1: There's a huge emphasis on that, which they put a
Speaker 1: rule in now that it is reviewable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sometimes the guy's coming in he can't change.
Speaker 1: His no, no, no, But the penalty is reviewable now,
Speaker 1: so they can go and take a look at it
Speaker 1: after the play the flag is done. That was added
Speaker 1: this year because there are too many calls, right, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of calls. There's a lot of calls, but
Speaker 1: we don't want to see our stars get hurt, right,
Speaker 1: you know? So, Jack, should we.
Speaker 3: Wrap this game? Wrap it up?
Speaker 5: The fight winds down, we get four guys tossed, Kenny Lofton,
Speaker 5: Gabe Kapler, hold on here, we got very tech, very
Speaker 5: techy rod Kenny Lofton, Tito gets tossed in the fifth
Speaker 5: for arguing a call. Then in the.
Speaker 3: Sixth, all hell breaks loose, the floodgates open.
Speaker 5: We get twenty two total batters, ten total runs, ten
Speaker 5: total hits, seven pitchers used, eighty nine total pitches. The
Speaker 5: inning lasts over an hour hour. No hitch clock era here, Baby,
Speaker 5: So then we get it down. We're down nine to four.
Speaker 5: Bottom of the six we cut it. We're down nine
Speaker 5: to eight. Flash forward to the ninth inning. We are
Speaker 5: down ten to eight going into the bottom of the ninth.
Speaker 5: We need something here. That's when we get Billy Miller
Speaker 5: three to one count one man on blast the walk
Speaker 5: off to run home or into the bullpen in right field.
Speaker 5: Liner wins the game, Socks win eleven to ten, and
Speaker 5: we're rolling. Baby galvanize the team. We're moving on.
Speaker 1: Boston believes. What's the aftermath?
Speaker 4: Josh or jossh Red Sox win the World Series.
Speaker 5: Red Sox win the World Series. Some suspension, some fines,
Speaker 5: break the curse, go twenty one and seven in August
Speaker 5: and we're rolling. No markets traded to the Cubbies. We
Speaker 5: talked about that a week after.
Speaker 2: We win it again, win it again, baby, and then
Speaker 2: five years later we win.
Speaker 5: It again again.
Speaker 1: So you love the baseball, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I love the football. I love I love watching football.
Speaker 2: And now, I mean there's so many baseball games. I
Speaker 2: feel like they've extended the season how many times in
Speaker 2: the last I don't know, it's too many. It's a
Speaker 2: bit too many games.
Speaker 3: It's playing game, and the more and the.
Speaker 2: More so so the football season has taken on. Like also,
Speaker 2: when you have kids, Sundays are just sacred, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. We get together, we watch all the games.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: My son was just saying, he's like, I can't wait
Speaker 2: for the season to start. That's a special feeling. Whereas
Speaker 2: the baseball season goes on so long that it's not
Speaker 2: it's not quite specially.
Speaker 1: The kids Pats fans, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Browns something. Sometimes they pick teams they're like all right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they get super into the
Speaker 2: Browns and you're like.
Speaker 1: Could be fantasy they drafted someone. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: different generation and you get fans from everywhere now.
Speaker 2: They well, the Browns had such a good squad. They
Speaker 2: were fun to root for because they could have done
Speaker 2: it if they you know, Mayfield's good, dude, it's good QP.
Speaker 2: That was a rough that just was not the right year.
Speaker 2: Otherwise they were in place. Man, they had the defense.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time in Northeast Ohio and
Speaker 1: those people are very it's it's very similar to the
Speaker 1: Boston baseball curse drought where they are with football. I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're feeding for that when they love their sports,
Speaker 1: they love their football up in Northeast. I hope that
Speaker 1: the the Browns can get something going here soon because
Speaker 1: it'd be great for the league. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a very old organization that's been around
Speaker 1: a long time. But also like that's like a huge
Speaker 1: part of football is Ohio for a lot of these
Speaker 1: country fed, huge old white linemen, great ass like Lebron's
Speaker 1: from there. You get a lot of these unbelievable dbis.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a fun like.
Speaker 2: These like American hardscrabble town.
Speaker 1: It's like when you.
Speaker 2: Watch like Green Bay, Yeah, and Cleveland, they're like it's
Speaker 2: old as hell when they're playing man, it's like, that's fun,
Speaker 2: fun football.
Speaker 1: And they don't have like Boston and New York. You
Speaker 1: guys they have they have other sports. Green Bay they're
Speaker 1: only football. Cleveland you got basketball, but in baseball, but
Speaker 1: they love football.
Speaker 4: Jules has beef with someone else who's very relevant to
Speaker 4: this conversation.
Speaker 1: I do have a little beef for your brother too.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there getting my ankle taped or something,
Speaker 1: watching Sports Center or some fucking show on ESPN, and
Speaker 1: it's your brother, come on, we just want a super
Speaker 1: Bowl and he's talking about we don't have any receivers,
Speaker 1: we don't have this. I'm sitting here like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: When was this? He has just won the super Bowl
Speaker 2: and he said, you.
Speaker 1: Did something maybe a year removed or something, maybe nineteen.
Speaker 3: It's a one way beef.
Speaker 1: It's a one way. It's one way beef.
Speaker 2: I just well, you seem like a great dude. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you something. Don't hold a grudge.
Speaker 1: It's more of like a joke. But we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after this quick break. Let's name this game. We
Speaker 1: have a couple of things, or you've have a name
Speaker 1: if you have a name for it, Casey, we had
Speaker 1: the ver Tech Versus a Rod game, the Shut Up
Speaker 1: a Rod game, the a Rod Fight game? Which one
Speaker 1: do you would you like to choose to name this game?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw Veritech in there. He deserves.
Speaker 1: That's that's a. That's a. That's a good answer. Is
Speaker 1: this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it,
Speaker 1: Casey on steaks regular season, mid season game. What are
Speaker 1: the stakes of this game? Zero to ten decimals? Okay,
Speaker 1: we got a great it like I think.
Speaker 2: The stakes are like a like a seven. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think people understood just how it was going
Speaker 2: to be a pivotal game and a turning point for
Speaker 2: the energy of the team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So this is midway through the season, but it's Yankees
Speaker 1: red Sox, so the stakes are auto lost. I got
Speaker 1: I go six to five.
Speaker 3: Jack did sixty three, I did four.
Speaker 1: Nine star power. You got a lot of stars in
Speaker 1: this game, big time, a lot of Hall of famers. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's a good score. I'll go with the eight Jack
Speaker 1: did ninety two nine one.
Speaker 3: We're in the same ballpark here.
Speaker 1: Gameplay of this we have a brawl. Gameplay means like,
Speaker 1: how did how was the game for the viewer? How
Speaker 1: was how was the game?
Speaker 3: As?
Speaker 1: Uh, you know? Back? Was it back and forth? Was
Speaker 1: it a blowout?
Speaker 5: Fundle?
Speaker 2: I was thinking about eight and a half because I
Speaker 2: think that people really love to see everyone caring a lot,
Speaker 2: especially in baseball. Dudes rowing some some days they're phoning
Speaker 2: it in. Everyone was had showed up at the.
Speaker 3: Park, amen, walk off run, walk off bat one day.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a seven eight no eight a
Speaker 1: A A.
Speaker 3: I looked at the name Jack did nine one, I
Speaker 3: did nine two, The name.
Speaker 1: Of the game ver talkt veritec versus a Rod.
Speaker 3: Cultural elevans of this game.
Speaker 2: The cultural relevance of this game was pretty high for
Speaker 2: a baseball game, For a single baseball game.
Speaker 1: I like that that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna get a lot of attention in the sports center
Speaker 2: and the sports fans.
Speaker 1: I'm going eight. I mean, we're still talking about a
Speaker 1: regular season baseball game here in twenty twenty four, twenty
Speaker 1: years of twenty years ago, so.
Speaker 4: It's gotta be Nate what's worse than julyve baseball? And
Speaker 4: we're talking about it twenty years later.
Speaker 5: Hey, we're coming up on the twentieth Anni Baby.
Speaker 3: Afterd eight point two, I did seven point nine?
Speaker 1: Where does it? Stan?
Speaker 3: Seven point nine?
Speaker 1: Seven point nine? Where does that go in all the
Speaker 1: games that we've done.
Speaker 3: That puts it right below.
Speaker 4: Highly rating Super Bowl fifty three Patriots versus Rams, and
Speaker 4: then right above the miracle Miami BC versus Miami ninety four,
Speaker 4: the Douglas Fluty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now seeing all the other games, I feel like we
Speaker 2: gave it a slightly inflated score, a little high.
Speaker 3: But it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's okay, Casey, we missed anything from this.
Speaker 2: We covered it.
Speaker 1: We covered it. Everyone. Remember to go see the movie Instigators.
Speaker 1: It'll be available on Apple TV August ninth. Awesome movie,
Speaker 1: fun movie, Boston movie. Even if you don't like Boston.
Speaker 1: It's a fire movie, great cast, a lot of awesome
Speaker 1: people in it. It was fun, great movie of the summer.
Speaker 2: Thank you boys, thank you.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man, appreciate you dude.
Speaker 3: What fu.
Speaker 1: Man. He's a he's smart dude, love Casey.
Speaker 3: He's got a smart guy. He's got like he's got
Speaker 3: like what is I.
Speaker 1: He'd be able to finish what I was thinking, like
Speaker 1: he did a couple times in the episode, like he
Speaker 1: he knows how to I'm not like smart enough to
Speaker 1: say it. Like he's got like regular people thoughts and
Speaker 1: able to compute them in a different way.
Speaker 3: He's an artist.
Speaker 1: He's an artistist, but he's also not like two art
Speaker 1: arty about it.
Speaker 3: He's still he's a guy who played baseball in Boston.
Speaker 1: Guy from exactly. I mean, I like just talking to him.
Speaker 1: I we didn't even get to like half the questions.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know so much stuff, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It just but things right out of times
Speaker 1: fucking and I and I went, and you know, I've
Speaker 1: been watching some of his movies. He's just he gets
Speaker 1: into some of these crazy roles. Man, he plays them,
Speaker 1: and you really believe the fucking character and you know,
Speaker 1: and that he's unbelievable. Shout out to Lee acting coach.
Speaker 1: Hopefully she'll see this somehow, World Instigators. It's awesome movie.
Speaker 1: We got the screeners, copy screeners, whatever. It was awesome
Speaker 1: to watch. We watched it as a whole team here
Speaker 1: in the nuthouse. It was a fun experience. We should
Speaker 1: do some more of those, you know, nuthouse screenings and
Speaker 1: then like review and give him like how many nuts
Speaker 1: we give him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Three?
Speaker 1: I give that that was a five nuts.
Speaker 5: That was five nuts.
Speaker 1: All day, five nuts up, five out of five nuts.
Speaker 3: I hope he tells Matt Damon that you called him
Speaker 3: deady do right? Yeah he should, he should.
Speaker 1: I feel like I sneaked out too on when he
Speaker 1: said you can't hold a grudge on you know, my brother,
Speaker 1: maybe a fucking neflack Ben. He comes up in here
Speaker 1: and apologizes, maybe there won't be no grudge maybe.
Speaker 3: To my face.
Speaker 1: Brother, Wait, wait that man range savagey.
Speaker 3: I went full like where'd that come from? When when
Speaker 3: the grudge talk comes out? I just get hold.
Speaker 1: I know we're not grudge holders.
Speaker 3: No, we can't be, even though yeah, I've got a
Speaker 3: couple if.
Speaker 1: We if we were to talk it out, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a grudge. There's no grudge. There's just a little
Speaker 1: like un you know what I mean. But you know,
Speaker 1: being a Boston guy, he knows you see me and
Speaker 1: we talk it out. Maybe maybe we got.
Speaker 3: Some stuff to talk about.
Speaker 4: I'm missed that we didn't get to talk about Casey
Speaker 4: Afflecks Dunkin Donuts SNL, like the best representation of a
Speaker 4: Massachusetts person.
Speaker 1: Cigarette outside the store while he's drinking his coffee inside
Speaker 1: the store because it's too fun cold and he wants
Speaker 1: to smoke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the crack screen. Yeah, we want to
Speaker 3: get the dunks order. Yeah. No, He's great. That was
Speaker 3: awesome so much so.
Speaker 1: And he's been in dude, his career has been along.
Speaker 1: He's got a long career. He's been around twenty years,
Speaker 1: damn near and in a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 3: You and he's he's worked with longer.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got an Oscar and he's worked with
Speaker 1: some of the most incredible actors of our generation. I
Speaker 1: mean all the big names.
Speaker 3: I felt bad about asking had he watched Goodwie Hunting.
Speaker 4: He's like he was a little bit just because like
Speaker 4: being from Boston, that's such like a culturally relevant movie
Speaker 4: from Boston that if you like, even if you're in
Speaker 4: it whatever, like being from that time in that era,
Speaker 4: to not see that, you.
Speaker 1: Could tell he's a competitor though, Like he probably sees
Speaker 1: that when he watches his film, and it's a competitive
Speaker 1: competitiveness with himself. Yeah, that like man, I would because
Speaker 1: he said I think I could have done it better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that. I hate.
Speaker 1: But he seemed really happy. He seemed a great spirit,
Speaker 1: really great.
Speaker 3: He was awesome.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask him what it was like to
Speaker 5: meet Bernie made on the set of Oceans Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right, Bernie, we love you.
Speaker 3: Let's see this post post guest segment.
Speaker 1: You know, after bashing New York and fully going Homer
Speaker 1: on this episode, we're gonna end this with a sweet
Speaker 1: note ish ish with that being said, we're going to
Speaker 1: put together the top five list of least hated n
Speaker 1: y athletes. We'll do we've been bashing the top five
Speaker 1: of athletes that played in New York that we got
Speaker 1: love for that we don't like.
Speaker 3: Just a nice top five in no particular order.
Speaker 1: I think Jeter's got to be on there. Mario, He's
Speaker 1: just lovable. Who else?
Speaker 3: I agree? I think I think we gotta put Jalen
Speaker 3: Brunson in there.
Speaker 5: I think we gotta put Brunson. Shout out Sam Morrel,
Speaker 5: Shout out Sam.
Speaker 1: He's been loving him for years.
Speaker 5: Oh man, he's an early early Jalen.
Speaker 1: What what about I mean, does Babe Ruth count.
Speaker 5: Babe count I'm counting, babe, Yo, Bara, Babe Babe.
Speaker 3: What about Eli Manning?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just had a Fox retreat,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I always say that Eli is
Speaker 1: my favorite Manning. I fucking fully take that up. That's
Speaker 1: back hung out with Cooper Manning and he's the coolest
Speaker 1: Manning by far. Shout out Coop Manning. You know I
Speaker 1: used to be an Eli guy. I guess I just
Speaker 1: didn't hang out with Coop enough. Cooper is a fucking
Speaker 1: man We golfed together. So yeah, no, no, Eli Manning.
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, Eli, Okay, straight hand, straight hands guy, straight
Speaker 4: hand is a fucking lovable New York straight hand.
Speaker 1: Gotta good morning America.
Speaker 5: We still got Broadway Joe left though right Joe only
Speaker 5: got one slot left.
Speaker 3: I think I think we got to revisit some of
Speaker 3: these just because of the gotta, because we don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: But he crushed. He could crush glzzies like no one else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they said he could put down like nine hot
Speaker 5: dogs in like thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: Dude, what about a lot? What about Rangers?
Speaker 4: What about lung Quist and a Clunkquist does Wayne Gretzky count?
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, does lump Quist go before? Does Brunson
Speaker 1: get taken off? Because he's still too young? He's only
Speaker 1: done it for one year, he's done for a couple.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, no one. Everyone liked that guy.
Speaker 1: And he's just so damn good looking, handsome, he always
Speaker 1: fucking dress cool.
Speaker 3: He's a great fucking goalie.
Speaker 1: He's great goalie.
Speaker 3: Do we put as a Penguins fan?
Speaker 4: My favorite thing ever was when they chased him and
Speaker 4: he like freaked out and like smashed them that.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that. I think we are out of
Speaker 3: respect for him?
Speaker 5: Are we puttingnist in?
Speaker 1: Just keep it, keep the list going right there, I
Speaker 1: think we're getting close.
Speaker 3: You can throw. So does Wayne Gretzky count? Because I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Really he's a ranger yet, but he's not a range.
Speaker 5: I agree. I don't associate immediately. I agree, do we
Speaker 5: What do we think about like a do we go
Speaker 5: with like a Derek Mason or a Patrick Ewing or
Speaker 5: a John Starks.
Speaker 3: Straight hand, straight hand?
Speaker 1: I think straight hands up there, dude, he's got to.
Speaker 3: Be he's very likable, like or at least hated. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's very least hateable.
Speaker 1: Dude, straight hands up there. Put him in.
Speaker 4: He's getting enough other sport record, like be nice to
Speaker 4: get some representation from the other teams. What like, what
Speaker 4: we got a hockey, We got a Yank hockey. We
Speaker 4: got a giant he Mets.
Speaker 3: Mike Piazza. I don't hate him at all.
Speaker 1: He did hit the homer on nine to eleven. He
Speaker 1: did or the day after nine to eleven against New York.
Speaker 1: But Mike Piazza is he on the top. No one
Speaker 1: really thinks of the Mets as a New York team.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be from like the big the big, big dogs.
Speaker 3: We're gonna catch some heats, no second fiddle guys.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's like the Jets.
Speaker 5: Do we even think about them?
Speaker 1: Man Broadway, Joe?
Speaker 3: Do we hate Curtis Martin?
Speaker 1: No? What about Wayne cot.
Speaker 6: Was loved and the slot father slop father slot father,
Speaker 6: and he tested Verdi he didn't play long enough one year.
Speaker 3: He belongs to the league.
Speaker 1: He's kind of like his his uh, his merch hat
Speaker 1: is kind of like Rob Low's NFL hat. It's just
Speaker 1: all of the NFL. The fate of the league.
Speaker 3: Because I want to see a good game, I asked him.
Speaker 1: Remember I did his podcast about it.
Speaker 3: I heard he got that custom made.
Speaker 1: No. I think he just he saw a hat and
Speaker 1: he took it, or so I think he needed a
Speaker 1: hat picked up an.
Speaker 3: NFL red hat, fucking official hat. I feel like we're hold.
Speaker 4: On, we got a wriddle down here. There's someone I
Speaker 4: got to throw in here too. Yogi be Yo, Yogi,
Speaker 4: how do you hate? You come to a fork in
Speaker 4: the road, you know what you do?
Speaker 3: You take it?
Speaker 5: Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded. He's given us
Speaker 5: some great yogis. I mean, he's got a cartoon after him.
Speaker 1: Was that? Yeah, I'm pretty sure Yogi bear the TV cart.
Speaker 3: To all of a incidents if it wasn't is it not?
Speaker 3: Or is is it? I check it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know Yankee history like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the Hanna Barbara character.
Speaker 5: Yogi Beart debut in nineteen fifty eight and was named
Speaker 5: after Barra.
Speaker 1: Look at I mean, it's fucking all right.
Speaker 3: We got to keep him in the top five.
Speaker 1: So Mike Pia is the most lovable.
Speaker 3: This is this is in order?
Speaker 1: I think, Jeter, Yeah, I don't. I mean we watched
Speaker 1: that the Red Sox fight thing or when we we
Speaker 1: were doing the research for this episode yea. And the
Speaker 1: way he handles the media afterwards like he's just he's
Speaker 1: a pro captain. I think you ask any Socks fan,
Speaker 1: no one really, they don't really hate Jeter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, retwo pecked.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 3: It's like respect thing? Remember when he retired? Oh the
Speaker 3: wordmark like our eh. Yeah. And the little kid doing this,
Speaker 3: the little kid. Yeah, it's a plant all right. Jeter
Speaker 3: straighthand Lunquist rivera Broadway, Joe Broadway, Joe or.
Speaker 4: For betwat And I also think the first Super Bowl
Speaker 4: for the a f C bro guarantee and the Colts
Speaker 4: super Bowl three Yeah.
Speaker 3: An fl.
Speaker 4: I think I think we might have to pull out
Speaker 4: Mariano rivera Okay, I think you put Yo.
Speaker 3: Yankee for a Yankee. I can see why people would
Speaker 3: hate River.
Speaker 5: That cutter, Yeah, I like him when he blow all
Speaker 5: those saves in Finoya.
Speaker 1: I think that's looking pretty good. That's looking pretty good.
Speaker 3: List, that's a real list.
Speaker 4: I think Hendrick Conscious might be too high, but h
Speaker 4: Henry Glunquist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he needs to go to five.
Speaker 4: I think he goes to five, and I think you
Speaker 4: go you move the other two up? I like this, yeah,
Speaker 4: sober one. Derek Cheeter, number two, Michael Strahan, number three,
Speaker 4: Yogi Berra, number four, Joe Namath number.
Speaker 1: Take one Quist. Oh, we got to get a hockey guy.
Speaker 3: So you could do.
Speaker 4: Mark Messier but he hasn't really owned Rangers and he's
Speaker 4: not really liked.
Speaker 3: Uh. You could go yarm or Yager with a Ranger
Speaker 3: number My my hate is we'll go lung Quist right now.
Speaker 3: So I think this list list is all right. I
Speaker 3: don't hate this list.
Speaker 1: I don't hate, honestly, I usually hate all of our lists.
Speaker 1: Don't hate.
Speaker 3: This list is the least hated list. All right, there
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 1: How come hate brings us together? It's the least hated team.
Speaker 3: Have you got hate in your heart? Let it out?
Speaker 1: Number five Henrik Lundquist, number four, Broadway Joe Name number three,
Speaker 1: Yogi Berra O boo boo boo. What is that is
Speaker 1: that his little friend pick a basket? Number two, Good
Speaker 1: morning America. And Fox is Michael Strahan. Everyone loves him,
Speaker 1: everyone loves them. And number one another Fox guy. This
Speaker 1: is kind of it's kind of skewed. Derek Jeter, that
Speaker 1: is our top five least Hated New York athletes because
Speaker 1: we were tough on them today with this and they
Speaker 1: got they got beat in this one. Good list. It
Speaker 1: was good list. Well, what a game. Thanks again to
Speaker 1: Casey and everyone. Go out there and check out instigators.
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