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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by first Light.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode is all the books, kind of just like

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Speaker 2: staying in our lane when it comes to deer hunting,

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Speaker 2: so that we can all have a little more fun

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: To put yourself in someone else's shoes or, in this case,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, knee high hunting boots, I guess, but

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Speaker 2: we should all try because the truth about this stuff

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Speaker 2: is that if you love deer and all that comes

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Speaker 2: with hunting them, you kind of have an obligation to

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Speaker 2: try to treat others with a similar mindset the same

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Speaker 2: way you'd like to be treated.

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Speaker 3: The Golden rule.

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Speaker 2: You know, this might seem like wishy washyps, but what

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Speaker 2: we do affects others, and we do have the power

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Speaker 2: to ruin other people's hunts with just our words.

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Speaker 3: You know, let alone our actions.

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Speaker 2: I think we can do better, and that's what this

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Speaker 2: podcast is all about. A couple of weeks ago, I

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Speaker 2: finished up a workout and walked into the locker room

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Speaker 2: and changed up, walked out to the steam room. I

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Speaker 2: generally keep my earbuds in when I'm in there because

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Speaker 2: just often enough, someone, usually an older fellow who doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem to have a lot on his plate for the day,

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Speaker 2: will want to talk politics. The earbuds protect me a

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Speaker 2: little bit from random strangers striking up a conversation that

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to get into. You know, talking

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Speaker 2: about some political thing that happened with strangers in a

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Speaker 2: tiny room that is one hundred and sixty degrees is

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Speaker 2: about as appealing to me as it would be to

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Speaker 2: pass a gulf ball sized kidney stone while hornet stick

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Speaker 2: me in the nostrils. No thanks, any huski. When I

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Speaker 2: them happened to be a woman that I used to

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Speaker 2: who I never actually talked to in my life. I

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Speaker 2: thought to myself, man, she looked super deconditioned. I figured

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Speaker 2: she'd just taken some time off and hadn't been working out,

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Speaker 2: which seemed pretty logical in my brain. But then we

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Speaker 2: turns out the weekend of Mother's Day, way back in May,

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Speaker 2: she was driving along on a highway with her two

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Speaker 2: someone's yard, where it was headed straight for a power

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Speaker 2: Now that collision broke both of her arms and her

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Speaker 2: then said that the scariest part was that when she

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Speaker 2: a very similar way after hitting a telephone pole. Think

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Speaker 2: imagine not only having two broken arms, but a busted sternum,

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Speaker 2: a young hunter I know who was trying hard to

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Speaker 2: a deer than shooting the wrong deer. Now, as you

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Speaker 2: probably know about me, I don't give a shit if

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Speaker 2: My solution to that was to just hunt for whatever,

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Speaker 2: which is a shame. I can tell you this. I

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Speaker 2: shooting a really big deer on some of the heavily

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Speaker 2: managed properties I've hunted, but that doesn't seem to matter.

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Speaker 2: Nor does it matter that this hunter has exactly one

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Speaker 2: bow kill on the old resume so far. That alone,

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Speaker 2: to me, would be a green light to go try

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Speaker 2: potential too much. But you can't argue there isn't social

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Speaker 2: pressure to shoot bigger deer. I'll never forget one of

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Speaker 2: the first public land bucks I arrowed, which was an

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Speaker 2: eight pointer down in Nebraska that came into a decoy.

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Speaker 2: That hunt was fun, it was a lot of work,

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Speaker 2: and after a few days of close put no cigar,

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Speaker 2: I ended up making a follow up shot and it

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Speaker 2: all worked out in the end. But it was one

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say it is a straight up good memory,

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Speaker 2: but it is a very valuable one to me. Now,

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Speaker 2: I was in the hunting industry as a freelance writer

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Speaker 2: that buck is tiny. Mind you, it was a buck

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Speaker 2: that wasn't a giant, but it was a pretty solid

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Speaker 3: Meant a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: It was a throwaway comment on social media with a

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Speaker 2: you know, is something that we have all done in

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Speaker 2: We probably always will because of human nature. But we

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Speaker 2: we view our own hunting. I rarely run across hunters

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Speaker 2: Do you think that your hunting is? Because I can

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Speaker 3: But would that make me right?

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Speaker 2: Well on the surface, maybe if you hunt private land

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Speaker 2: and I hunt public maybe, But if that private land

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Speaker 2: so simple. It's still may be true, but it's getting

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Speaker 2: a little muddy anyways. Now, what if you hunt with

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Speaker 2: got you because your weapon is without question easier to

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Speaker 3: Check mate. But maybe not.

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Speaker 2: What if you have a job that demands long hours

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Speaker 2: woods in multiple states. Who really has the advantage here.

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Speaker 2: Let's take that a step further. Maybe you have killed

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Speaker 2: a dozen deer with a bow in your career, while

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Speaker 2: I've killed over one hundred. Would it be cool for

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Speaker 3: I mean, it pales in comparison to.

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Speaker 2: Some people I know, But those folks have a lot

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Speaker 2: if I conveniently forget that, there are quite a few

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Speaker 2: it means that we can't really understand other people and

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Speaker 2: it absolutely does. The trends of greater society bleed into

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Speaker 2: because we've been othered really well in this space, and

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Speaker 2: if you live across the state line from me, you

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Speaker 2: are lesser than I am. We can defend stuff like

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Speaker 2: want to have easier hunting for ourselves. But let's not

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Speaker 2: from our fellow hunters because we can generalize them and

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Speaker 2: shit on them very easily. Now, that might not be

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Speaker 2: an exact replica of how divided we are as people

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: That mindset also demands some level of cognitive dissonance to maintain.

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Speaker 2: I had a conversation with an outfitter from Nebraska one

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Speaker 2: time who bitched about non residents killing all of the

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Speaker 2: young deers so there weren't any left for them residents.

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Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that the outfitter has over ten

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Speaker 2: thousand acres of ground locked up, which keeps non paying

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Speaker 2: Or never mind that the state's resource there is being

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Speaker 2: hoarded to produce as much income as possible for that person.

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Speaker 2: The argument about booting non residents in that case was

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Speaker 2: that the value of the hunt for residents was reduced.

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Speaker 2: But how do you measure that against one person paying

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Speaker 2: to keep over fifteen square miles of good ground out

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Speaker 2: over a lot of money to set foot on it. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying non residents should have equal access to

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Speaker 2: shut down all the outfitters out there. I don't believe

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Speaker 2: either thing I just use those points to illustrate how

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Speaker 2: So the next best thing is to step outside your

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Speaker 2: I love to preach about hunting somewhere different, some foreign

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Speaker 2: I believe that, But I also believe that it's sort

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Speaker 3: It might take a few years, but it will work.

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Speaker 3: And it's not magic.

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Speaker 2: It's damn close when you really put it under the microscope.

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Speaker 3: That's it. I'm Tony Peterson.

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