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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, everybody, Happy Frouday, and welcome to another edition

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Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented by Corps Light right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmilk, the

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Speaker 1: man time I left his Lance Medal. The phone numbers

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Speaker 1: and I think we might get a couple of calls today. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously we're reacting to the first round of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: The Giants make three first round picks, trading back into

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Speaker 1: the first round UH to select DeAndre big right at Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence, the defensive tackle slat from Clemson goes seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and of course where we'll start is the sixth overall

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Speaker 1: pick in the NFL Draft, and that was Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: out of Duke. And look, if you were watching us

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Speaker 1: an MSG, everyone was surprised. I was surprised, Lance. I

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Speaker 1: imagine you were probably pretty surprised too. Yeah, I certainly

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Speaker 1: was surprised that they took Daniel Jones, that they took

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean, I really saw it from what

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentelman insinuated at his pre draft press conference that

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Speaker 1: he was going to probably go in the direction of defense,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that this would have been a golden

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Speaker 1: rushers or perhaps somebody in the secondary which they ultimately grab.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's definitely fair to characterize this as

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Speaker 1: a surprise move. But it goes back to the conviction

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Speaker 1: conversation that you and I have had on this show

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Speaker 1: multiple times, and I've always said, if you go around

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Speaker 1: the room and you have multiple people that say they

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Speaker 1: love this quarterback, given the importance of that position, then

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Speaker 1: there's rationale behind the decision. And for anybody that wants

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Speaker 1: to claim, well, you could have got Daniel Jones at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: unless you know for a fact what every single NFL

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Speaker 1: draft board look like that selected after the Giants went,

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Speaker 1: then you can't make that statement. You also don't know

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Speaker 1: if a team would have traded up John to move

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Speaker 1: past another team if they were enamored with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: It's a guessing game, it's a hypothetical. That's why any GM,

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Speaker 1: any executive will tell you you love a quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: take them, whether it's Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: and you do not roll the dice that quarterback is

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Speaker 1: gonna fall to you later on. Yeah. A couple of

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Speaker 1: additional points to that. Jim Naggy, who was the director

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Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl former Scott for the Seahawks, tweeted

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Speaker 1: last night that he knew more teams that had Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones ahead of Daniel Haskins. Then Dwayne Haskins was part

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Speaker 1: of me. Then Dwayne Haskins ahead of Daniel Jones, so

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Speaker 1: he knew more teams that had Jones higher on their board.

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Speaker 1: Jenny Venturous tweeted last night and look, she's not one

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Speaker 1: to just throw out statements. Willy knew it. She's a

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Speaker 1: pretty cautious reporter and a good one. From Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: quarterback that Jones would not have been there at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: And I know the common refrain this morning is, oh,

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Speaker 1: you could have just wait until seventeen and gotten him. Well,

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Speaker 1: we like Lana says, you don't know that. And I

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Speaker 1: think the most important line that I don't think has

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Speaker 1: been repeated enough from Dave Gentleman's press conference is that

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Speaker 1: they had the same grade on Josh Allen as they

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Speaker 1: did on Daniel Jones. I came on the air yesterday

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Speaker 1: at the end of the show, And as soon as

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Speaker 1: I said that, I regretted it because I said on

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Speaker 1: and I apologized, and it was stupid for me to

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Speaker 1: And I've learned my lesson. I'm not gonna do that again.

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Speaker 1: And you know me, I don't say things willy nilly

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Speaker 1: as a may a couple on my part, and I said,

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Speaker 1: the Giants aren't picking Daniel Jones at six, and I

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Speaker 1: was wrong. And the reason I was so confident they

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen or I'll throw Ed Oliver in that absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I thought any of those three defensive guys would have

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Speaker 1: been graded higher on their board than Jones. That's how

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Speaker 1: I evaluated Daniel Jones. My evaluation of Daniel Jones means

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Speaker 1: nothing to the folks upstairs, okay um, and it shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Pat Charmer has been coaching quarterbacks twenty years. The Gedoman's

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Speaker 1: been evaluating town for a long time. They know a

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Speaker 1: lot more about this than I do. I'm not running

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Speaker 1: from my evaluation. You guys don't what I thought of

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Speaker 1: I think he projects as a as a good solid quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I made the Andy Dalton could Harrison, I think from

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Speaker 1: And that's the bottom line. Here's where we're at, folks.

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Speaker 1: The Giants have made the pick. They believe in the player.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this phrase many times. I'll say it again.

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Speaker 1: If you're getting your franchise quarterback for the future, there

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Speaker 1: is no price too high to pay. Now. The only

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Speaker 1: question that remains is he the guy. And we're not

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Speaker 1: going to know that until he gets on the field

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Speaker 1: what Sam Donald is, what the other Josh Allen is,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to know, and that's the thing. And

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Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to hear. Let's wait and see,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna have to wait and see. Now, folks,

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Speaker 1: you're on the line, you call in event you're unhappy,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna let you say your piece and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get you in. And remember, Paul and I are back

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Speaker 1: on at seven o'clock tonight, and we have a long

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna have a lot of time to take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls, folks. So don't worry if you don't

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Speaker 1: get in between twelve and one today, you will get

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Speaker 1: o'clock tonight. H Daniel Jones the player, and I said

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Speaker 1: this yesterday. I repeat it very quickly because I don't

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Speaker 1: want to get into the evaluation again. To me, Lancey's

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Speaker 1: a really safe guy. You know from the neck up.

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Speaker 1: You know he knows how to play quarterback. He's fundamentally sound.

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Speaker 1: He's generally a good decision maker. Sometimes under pressure, you

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Speaker 1: see him maybe do things that you're not too happy with. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Obviously, I think based on what Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: national people will follow beat reporters and re retweets. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's what got powered around because they didn't watch the

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Speaker 1: whole press conference. Right. But if you even just read

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Speaker 1: So where is it here forgetting about dum? When did

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Speaker 1: you know Daniel Jones was the right guy for those organizations?

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Speaker 1: Did you have a similar process as Dave that was Shermer?

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Speaker 1: Where's the gentleman answer here? Um, here we go? What

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Speaker 1: everything about him. Okay, So those three sentences on their

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Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl. That is a down right lie. Okay,

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Speaker 1: tape in his performance. It wasn't because of the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to try to dispel that narrative

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Speaker 1: on the same page, meaning John Marra and Dave Gettleman

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Speaker 1: everybody in the room, including the head coach, was behind

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Speaker 1: the fact that of all the quarterbacks, this is the

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Speaker 1: want to throw out. They are very high on Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: They've made that clear. We don't know how the board looked.

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Speaker 1: We don't know whether Kyler Murray was number one on

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Speaker 1: the board, Daniel Jones was number two, and We'll never

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Speaker 1: you know, when quarterbacks go off the board, does Murray

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying is when you don't see the board

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Speaker 1: If you don't agree with the player, that's fine. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the player is worth the value, I get it.

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Speaker 1: more thing I want to bring up here, Guys, don't

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Speaker 1: that this doesn't work out. You know that that just

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence a big guy. We're wrong about six, but

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Speaker 1: But this guy is big, he's fast, he can penetrate,

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Speaker 1: him and Baker came through. He's got a number of

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Speaker 1: There was thickness to use his term, go back. So

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Speaker 1: perhaps they could even grab another corner in this draft

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Speaker 1: depending on how things play out. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: now moving forward, they're not gonna pick until ninety five,

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Speaker 1: so that's a lot of picks. Could they move up

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Speaker 1: I think it's a real long shot to assume that

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Speaker 1: the John's is gonna get into the second round, because

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Speaker 1: it already get into the second round. You gotta give

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Speaker 1: a future assets in two thousand twents. They would have

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Speaker 1: to give up a two next year to do. You

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Speaker 1: have nothing left right now in the arsenal to move

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Speaker 1: into the second round. That's wishful thinking. Moving up a

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Speaker 1: few spots in the third Perhaps we could discuss that

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Speaker 1: in a hypothetical situation if they wash, if they wash

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Speaker 1: out their fourth and fifth round picks, they could pick

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Speaker 1: up probably an additional three, but they'd have to wash

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Speaker 1: them out. There are four, two fives, and maybe even

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Speaker 1: additional six or seven. Now, at the same time, when

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Speaker 1: people called in and asked, do you think that John's

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Speaker 1: gonna pick twelve, I said, there's no way that I

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Speaker 1: see them picking twelve. Well, no surprise, they moved up

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Speaker 1: and combine their assets. Because remember Dave Gentleman was on

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Speaker 1: you don't draft guys if you don't think they gotta

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to make the team. So you move

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Speaker 1: up because you think Baker has got an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: make the team. And then so well, if Dave wants

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Speaker 1: any advice, and this is for me and probably our

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Speaker 1: entire web social media team, if he wants to go

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Speaker 1: trade in the seventh round to forty five, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody would have any objection. Wrap up shop nice

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Speaker 1: and throwing to thirty two. There too, pick up an

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Speaker 1: extra six. Let's do it all right, right, takes the

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Speaker 1: phone calls, Let's do it two, one, four or five

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Speaker 1: were gonna let you go and let you say your piece.

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Speaker 1: We'll only get interrupted if you if you say something

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Speaker 1: we think is factually inaccurate. Your opinions great, and we'll

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Speaker 1: try to get to as many calls as possible. So

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Speaker 1: let's do it. First up Robin Florida. He joined us

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Speaker 1: on Big Book Kick Off Live, Good Afternoon, Rob, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Fellers? Uh? Carry everything you guys are saying.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything he said. It upset for the

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Speaker 1: fact that I feel like we should have waited it

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Speaker 1: to Danil Jones on the seven keep pick if we

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Speaker 1: don't want to take doing Hashkins. We obviously know that

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Speaker 1: Murray left on the first pick. Um, we should have

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Speaker 1: just went with the plan was which build up the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line, and just move move on to

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Speaker 1: the seventhie pick, and she were you know where we're

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Speaker 1: learning there? Yeah, but Rob, how bad do you feel

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Speaker 1: after the draft if you think that you have your

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Speaker 1: next franchise quarterback and you lose him because you decided

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Speaker 1: to wait to take him. I had that feel the

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Speaker 1: last name when we skipped on Green Haskins. But they

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Speaker 1: they do not believe Dwayne Haskins is the guy they

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Speaker 1: believe Daniel Jones is. I mean, that's exactly that's the

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Speaker 1: time him. I don't know what the good thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sitting in the big chair, but feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Greene Haskins was the guy. He's a

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Speaker 1: big guy, he has a big arm, He's a Heisman kennidate.

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Speaker 1: He played one of years. We look at the quarterback

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Speaker 1: that played three years with and his numbers really don't

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Speaker 1: match up. Well, keep keep in mind. Well, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna jump in here. The one thing about Rob Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones is his numbers don't jump off the board. And

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Speaker 1: the reason being is because, as we mentioned on this program,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a great offensive line and he had

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Speaker 1: a lot of wide receivers that drop passes. So talent

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Speaker 1: around you is a big indication of where your stats go.

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins had a lot more better talent around him.

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Speaker 1: So that's why he had an outstanding season and he

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Speaker 1: deserves to receive those accolades. And you know what, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Dwayne Haskins went to the Redskins, so you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to monitor the two guys as they

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Speaker 1: progress again, opportunities to start and we'll then know depending

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Speaker 1: on how they pan out in the NFL. And folks,

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought Haskins was the better player, to

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Speaker 1: the Giants front office did not, so they went with

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I mean, that's that That's just where we're at.

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Speaker 1: And I think Lance makes a good point. And this

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Speaker 1: is the point that Daniel Jeremiah has made a couple

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Speaker 1: of times on the air, and I'll just parrot it

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Speaker 1: that Kyla Murray had more NFL prospects on his high

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Speaker 1: school team that Daniel Jones had on his college team

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Speaker 1: at Duke. You're not gonna have one player from Duke

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Speaker 1: make the NFL from Duke's offense. That's how much of

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Speaker 1: a you know, he's basically playing five car draw with

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Speaker 1: four cards, and and that's why his numbers weren't what

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Speaker 1: they maybe could have been. If you put him at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and he's storing to Terry McLaurin and Paris

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Speaker 1: Campbell and around him, his numbers are gonna look a

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Speaker 1: lot better. So I wouldn't read too much into Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones stats. And you know the other thing I was

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Speaker 1: gonna add is, yes, Daniel Jones is a multi year

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Speaker 1: starter compared to Dwayne Skins. And when you think about

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Speaker 1: some of the quarterbacks the Giants have drafted in the past,

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Speaker 1: they've drafted guys with multiple years. I mentioned this on

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Speaker 1: the show, and I'll bring up this stat which I

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Speaker 1: put out on Twitter. Mark Sanchez and Mitchell Truebiskie were

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Speaker 1: the only two quarterbacks with one year of starting experience

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Speaker 1: that had been drafted in the first round between two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand eighteen. Now it doubled in yesterday's

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Speaker 1: first round alone, with Murray and Haskins going the first round.

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Speaker 1: So that's a statement that the NFL overall executive they

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Speaker 1: value experience. This organization values experience at that position. So

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Speaker 1: it's very rare that they were gonna roll the dice

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Speaker 1: with somebody who just had one year as a starter.

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Speaker 1: I think you gotta at least think about that. Now,

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Speaker 1: you might disagree with it, but it's but it's definitely

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Speaker 1: a factor. For sure. I agree. But to the point

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Speaker 1: that you just made about Daniel Jones and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the chief pieces around them, I mean that's where

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Speaker 1: we basically go as Giants tats with Eli. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have enough around them we don't old enough offensive linement

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Speaker 1: around him, and um, you know we're going to get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that's you're still having that problem. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what thanks for. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I think I think, Look, the offensive

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Speaker 1: line is a pretty good spot right now. I mean

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Speaker 1: they've changed the offensive line. Oh you're missing is one

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Speaker 1: guy at right tackle. And if you can find another

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Speaker 1: guy in the draft, and maybe, you know, maybe John

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Speaker 1: Taylor somehow keeps falling, maybe people are a free By

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Speaker 1: the way, that's still surprising to me that he's still

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Speaker 1: on the board. And I gotta give Rick Sarah Teller

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Speaker 1: credit and maybe we'll have him on the show either

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Speaker 1: tonight or tomorrow. He told us last week that there

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Speaker 1: were injury issues with him and people were worried about

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Speaker 1: him and that he was gonna drop and it's happening.

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Speaker 1: So he was all over that. And look, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the thing Dave Gettlan mentioned is that he

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Speaker 1: wanted a quarterback that's dealt with adversity. And Jones, who

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Speaker 1: was a walk on at Duke he got his only

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Speaker 1: scholarship of force to Princeton. He was a two star recruit.

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Speaker 1: He walked on a duke, got the starting job in

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Speaker 1: his red shirt freshman year because a starting corner quarterback

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Speaker 1: got hurt and he never gave the job back. So

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Speaker 1: he's the guy that's had to earn what he's gotten.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's go to Japan and say hi

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Speaker 1: to Jay. This is our first East Asia call in

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Speaker 1: a while. J Good to hear from you. Are you

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Speaker 1: in the military? Jay? Question? Yes, thank you for your service.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead? So does Paul still have all this here?

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Speaker 1: It's a very good question. Why does a ghost I

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Speaker 1: believe is the uh is the description that I got

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Speaker 1: from somebody. Why does it goes Casper? Casper the friendly?

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Speaker 1: And by the way, for for Paul to be why

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Speaker 1: does a ghost that's a tech of a transformation is

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Speaker 1: indeed for him to get to my level? That's I

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Speaker 1: president my level with the hair. I'm not happy with

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Speaker 1: the pick, okay, but I understand the upside that they

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Speaker 1: saw in Daniel Jones. Right, yeah, but six what six t?

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Speaker 1: It's four consistent, just very very boring quarterback. And when

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Speaker 1: I say boring as in heat, he knows he makes

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Speaker 1: the reads. He's not gonna do anything flashy, all right,

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Speaker 1: I get it. He's a safe player. He's he's a

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Speaker 1: safe player, right right, So it is it? Is it

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Speaker 1: true that because when we talked about quarterbacks and we

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Speaker 1: compared them to defensive ends, right, and you look at

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Speaker 1: how each position affects the game, the Giants haven't had

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, like with the scheme itself, if

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Speaker 1: you need like linebackers, I'm gonna have linebackers rushing. The

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Speaker 1: Pastor's gonna have d ends, d tackles, mixed the ends

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Speaker 1: Russian pastor. I just didn't think that Josh Allen the

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Speaker 1: value at six. Josh Allen's falling to us a six

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Speaker 1: made sense. But that's me. I'm not a scout. I'm

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Speaker 1: just j Look if you were watching our covers and

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Speaker 1: MSG and they gave everyone do their prediction before the pick,

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Speaker 1: we all thought they were taking Josh Allen. So you

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Speaker 1: when you're a alone, we were all on board with you,

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Speaker 1: and we're not gonna lie to you and tell you

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Speaker 1: that pass rush next year right now isn't gonna be

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Speaker 1: a huge problem, because it is. It is. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean they were at the bottom of the ranking. When

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Speaker 1: Kim Jones asked him about that that that the press conference. Look,

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Speaker 1: Rome wasn't built a day. He understands that they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of work to do in that area. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I honestly, I don't think you guys should even

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Speaker 1: apologize for what she said. Like you know, like John

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Speaker 1: you said you should apologize. I think you're absolutely correcting.

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Speaker 1: Your statements kind of resonated with every single Giants fan

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Speaker 1: in the in the in the us of a UM

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Speaker 1: when that pick came in, nobody thought that that was

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Speaker 1: going to be the pick. And I was still you

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Speaker 1: made a great point. And I even said it to

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Speaker 1: a couple of people on Twitter. You guys have clamored

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Speaker 1: and complained about Eli last year all off season. You

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Speaker 1: talked about QB. Hell, you talked about, you know, taking

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Now, well year you go, you got your quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: so now you just got to accept it. Just own

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Speaker 1: it kind of you at this point, you know, don't

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Speaker 1: don't be upset, just kick you for what it is.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's pretty much it. I'm just gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go to sleep and that this one so can

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Speaker 1: thank you, J appreciate the call, and again thank you

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Speaker 1: for your service and thank you for listening to the show.

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Speaker 1: The way out in Japan, we appreciate it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I'll say one more thing about Daniel Jones, and everyone says, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's just Eli Manning. Daniel Jones ran for a hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty six yards in a game last year against

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. He had two sixty plus yard runs. You

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Speaker 1: can make the argument that he is the second or

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Speaker 1: third most mobile quarterback in the class. You can make

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Speaker 1: the argument. I mean, he had four hundred six runs.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at his numbers here for over thirteen hundred

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Speaker 1: yards over the course of his career. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what Eli's rushing numbers are top of my head,

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Speaker 1: but I guarantee you Elies not put it up that.

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Speaker 1: I bet you Eli has fewer rushing yards. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let it right now. Hold on Eli Manning career stats.

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Speaker 1: I bet you he has fewer rushing yards career in

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Speaker 1: the NFL than Daniel Jones had carries in college. It

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Speaker 1: would not surprise me. Eli Manning in his career has

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Speaker 1: Where's rushing stats is passing, there's advanced passing, rushing and receiving.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning has Oh no, I'm sorry. He has five

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty career rushing yards, So that means Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones in three years of college football has nearly three

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Speaker 1: three times as many yards as Eli Manning. And Eli

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Speaker 1: has run the ball three hundred eleven times Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: four hundred six. Yes, And keep in mind that's three

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Speaker 1: years versus yes. And Eli is averaging one point eight

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Speaker 1: yards per run Daniel Jones three point three in his career,

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Speaker 1: and he's got seventeen rushing touchdowns. Now that's on the

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Speaker 1: collegiate level. It's in the A c C. The option

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Speaker 1: with him though, like them, but you know, if people

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Speaker 1: don't want to put much stock in those numbers, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is he's certainly has that mobility factor.

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Speaker 1: And I never understand the philosophy that a quarterback has

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Speaker 1: to be ultra exciting. Who says you got a drift

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick to feel good? You know what if it's

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Speaker 1: boring and the guy completes passes, scores touchdowns and win

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Speaker 1: your games, and you know what, I'll take boring every

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Speaker 1: day of the weekend twice on Sunday. You know, Gil

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Speaker 1: Brand's made the Payton manor in comparison. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: there because Payton Manning might be the best regular back

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Speaker 1: in the history of football. You know what I think

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Speaker 1: if I look at his ideal outcome, Daniel Jones, if

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Speaker 1: everything clicks and it's this is again his peak one

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Speaker 1: percent outcome Matt Ryan as Matt Ryan doesn't have an

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Speaker 1: A plus arm, right, He's a good arm, but it's

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Speaker 1: not great. It's an okay arm. But he's steady, he

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Speaker 1: makes good decisions, he's pretty accurate. That to me is

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Speaker 1: if you want to in your head, folks, picture the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario with Daniel Jones, think Matt Ryan and

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Speaker 1: if and if he gets there, that means him at

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Speaker 1: six was a great, great selection. There's no guarantee he

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Speaker 1: gets there. Now, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he's Matt Ryan, don't misconstrue me. But if everything works

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Speaker 1: out and he gets to where he wants to be,

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Speaker 1: that's where I could see a good comparison for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if that's his ceiling, then I think the Giants are

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Speaker 1: gonna be more than content. With respect that you could.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he's there. Statement was preface with a

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Speaker 1: big capitalize. But if he does get there, then you know, certainly,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd take that investment and every every boy

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Speaker 1: with it. Every player is a range of outcomes, folks.

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Speaker 1: Every player has a range of outcomes. The lower end

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Speaker 1: there his range of outcomes is gonna be a player

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Speaker 1: that's really really bad. I mean, that's just the way

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Speaker 1: it goes when you're when you're predicting prospects, nobody knows

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Speaker 1: exactly what if somebody is going to be. It's always

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Speaker 1: a range of outcomes. Let's go to Duke and Queen's

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Speaker 1: who joins us next on Big Blue kick Off? Hie

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Speaker 1: Duke Um, I just got a few things to say

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Speaker 1: about this prospect, don't I'm not gonna go crazy and ballistic. Um.

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Speaker 1: As far as Daniel Jones, the thing that I'm most

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Speaker 1: envious about is that Josh Allen was there. Huge Josh

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Speaker 1: sound fan. I don't give it a damn that monster

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Speaker 1: sweater at all of it was the Josh Allen was it.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted us to take Josh Allen because if

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Speaker 1: you take Josh Allen there, I have a good row

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Speaker 1: of hope that we can make it to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and go somewhere next season, So after you didn't take them,

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Speaker 1: you cannot sell me on a winning season. You can't,

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Speaker 1: Duke I, Duke I, I understand your disappointment on passing

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Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. I we get it, we get it exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't go so far to say that

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen alone is going to resurrect the defense that

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Speaker 1: I think maybe taking a little too far. That's fair,

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Speaker 1: But you know you don't think so at all. What

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Speaker 1: I mean mean, do you think Josh Allen alone would

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Speaker 1: have completely turned this defense out alone? It's the rest

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Speaker 1: of the pigs that we had gotten well, but you

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Speaker 1: don't at this point, you have no idea who those

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Speaker 1: rest of the picks are going to be though, which, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you switch out Dexter Lawrence and then and then you

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Speaker 1: put a quarterback there, and we would still take DeAndre Baker.

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Speaker 1: And then when you look at our defensive tackles, they know,

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Speaker 1: they know slouches, they no bumps. We have the Alvin

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Speaker 1: Thomas and then we've got b J. Hill. But guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to stay on that. That's okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, extra Lawrence. See he had very good production

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Speaker 1: in his A freshman year, Um, he was at a

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Speaker 1: lot of weight and and I think that's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons that contributed to that, not only that he

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Speaker 1: did get hurt in his UH in his junior year,

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Speaker 1: I think was his sophomore ye. UM, when I when

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Speaker 1: I when I see him and on our team, when

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Speaker 1: I arrest the next season, I feel like he is

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Speaker 1: going to be the player that allows d J. Hill

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Speaker 1: to really extend. Because when I watched his tape, whenever

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Speaker 1: he would whenever the boat be snapped, he's usually getting

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Speaker 1: double teams. And if you have a three four and

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Speaker 1: he's getting double teams, you know you have a guy

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Speaker 1: like b J. Hill and Renzo Carter that you can

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Speaker 1: just sue pass. You can you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like you can absolutely have b J. Hill get one

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Speaker 1: on one, you know, versus exactly. And that's what happens

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Speaker 1: when you collapse the pocket. As Dave Gettleman said, like

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Speaker 1: what snacks did you forced the double team? It opens

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Speaker 1: up one on one opportunity. And du Gas say this

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Speaker 1: watching Lawrence on tape whenever a college team allowed a

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Speaker 1: center to try to block him one on what was

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Speaker 1: he when he was playing nose? He would carry him

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Speaker 1: into the backfield. The guy didn't have a chance. So

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Speaker 1: you're right. If he if he's playing nose, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to double him. But I think you even see

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Speaker 1: him at the three technique a little bit too. He's

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Speaker 1: got he's got some quicks to him. He does one

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Speaker 1: one more point And in the question, um for for

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, I thought that was the best pick last night. Um.

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Speaker 1: I really like DeAndre Baker and you can't argue over

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Speaker 1: picking a guy there when he did what he did

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Speaker 1: in the sec Um. My question to you guys is

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Speaker 1: who would you guys like us to get at and

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking a call? I mean it is

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Speaker 1: it is so far away about like a hundred million

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Speaker 1: players that are gonna be taking I mean, if I

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Speaker 1: don't even have my list in front of me, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, if if one of the safeties

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Speaker 1: is left, you know, if a Mony Hooker is still

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Speaker 1: on the board, I like him from Iowa. Even if

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Speaker 1: there's another corner. If one of the if Isaiah Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who's a raw corner from Houston and somehow still on

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Speaker 1: the board, I think about him. Um. I mean Max Crosby,

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Speaker 1: a raw pass rusher Eastern Michigan. I want to say, Um,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that I like. If he's there at

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Speaker 1: the end of the third round, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: really really good football player and he has pass rush potential.

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Speaker 1: I'd look at him. Uh Anthony Nelson from Iowa, if

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Speaker 1: he's still around, I'd maybe consider him at that spot.

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Speaker 1: There might be some corners left, and I think you'll

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Speaker 1: get a good receiver at the end of the third round.

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Speaker 1: I think one of these guys is gonna drop and

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Speaker 1: you have a chance to take a receiver too. So

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Speaker 1: those are something the guys that would consider one three.

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Speaker 1: It's all presented by Corps Light download the cours Light

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Speaker 1: Rewards apt to an Amazing Giants Prizes. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Dan and Delaware. He's up next, Hight Dan. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you. We're doing okay? Dan, it's been a

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00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: long couple of days. Um. Yeah. Um. With the with

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00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing, Lance, you made a comment in the

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Speaker 1: kind of beginning of the call about like people who

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Speaker 1: want a quarterback last year and they were mad they

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Speaker 1: didn't get one, and now we got one and then

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Speaker 1: they're still mad. Um. Kinda I would just say like,

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Speaker 1: not all quarterbacks are equal. So last year, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of us that felt very very strongly about those

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in that class, and the main reason for that

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Speaker 1: was projecting ahead. What was projected ahead, saying this class

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Speaker 1: didn't appear to be that strong. So she wanted one

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Speaker 1: last year doesn't mean like that you want one this year. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I get that, But I also think there was

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Speaker 1: a big call for Dwayne Haskins this year. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I was here hosting this show time and time again,

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Speaker 1: and I fielded one call after another. Dwayne Haskins has

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Speaker 1: to be the pick at six. And I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that were fine with Dwayne Haskins

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Speaker 1: at six and felt good at least about Murray and Haskins.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that the Giants passed up Haskins to

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: get Jones now of a sudden, it makes them irritated.

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00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: And you know, here's the other thing. Those projections, in

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Speaker 1: fairness are based on the media or the fan base.

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: The way teams project talent is completely different than the

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: fan base and the media. You know, it's important to

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00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: understand personal opinion. Mock drafts are ridiculous, Mock dress are

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: a waste of time, and we need three months to

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Speaker 1: fill because unlike the NBA, the NFL draft is three

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Speaker 1: months removed from the Super Bowl. The NBA draft, the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals is gonna end. There's gonna be a week

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Speaker 1: and a half they're gonna draft players. There's not enough

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Speaker 1: time to analyze seventy five drafts. In the NFL, there's

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Speaker 1: too much time. So what happens. What happens is why

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Speaker 1: people could be upset is well, yeah, but but but

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that the upsetness is fueled

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Speaker 1: by reading materials. Daniel Jones was not put up on

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Speaker 1: a pedestal. Dwayne Haskins and Kyler Murray were put up

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Speaker 1: on a pedestal. There might be reason for that, though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: a statement. I'm one of those people who wanted well Dan, Dan,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not saying that you're on these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year and and all and all. I'm all

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say about the the quarterback thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know, I will say this, the fact that they

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Speaker 1: took him at six, that means they liked him and

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Speaker 1: they took him. I don't agree with people who say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you gotta wait till seventeen. You can't. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you just can't take that chance. If you to me,

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Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important thing out there. And if

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Speaker 1: you truly a conviction on somebody, you take him and

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Speaker 1: whether whether you think he'll be there at sevens you can't.

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Speaker 1: You cannot risk that. Um. So he just he has

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Speaker 1: to be right on this player and absolutely Dan and

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Speaker 1: he's going to be compared now for the rest of

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Speaker 1: his career to Sam Donald, did Josh Allen from last year,

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Speaker 1: and to Josh Rosen and Dwayne Haskins, and those are

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Speaker 1: the guys that he's going to be compared to. And

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Speaker 1: Drew Lock to a startain extent too, right, and then

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Speaker 1: anybody else drafted this year, He's going to be compared

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Speaker 1: to those guys the rest of his career. And that's

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Speaker 1: just the facts of life. That's what he's gonna have

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: to deal with. It is what it is. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys really believe when Gettleman says the like Green Bay

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Speaker 1: mall or was he just being cute? Because I read

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Speaker 1: the quote but I didn't hear the quote. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: What happened to imagine you take a player with the

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Speaker 1: sixth overall pick and sit him. Like, the only way

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Speaker 1: I can see it happening is if we go to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, yere and Eli has an amazing year and

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Speaker 1: they're you know what, We're just gonna ride with Eli

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00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: one more year. Like I can fathom you take out

852
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: this six pick and you go seven and nine and not.

853
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: Well again, you're right that that's the point though, I mean,

854
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: you can't predict what the team is going to do.

855
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: If there's a chance Daniel Jones could play this year,

856
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: if the season doesn't, the opportunity presents itself. I was

857
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: like taking a back play. But like I said, I

858
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't hear the quote, well, the whole the whole mindset well,

859
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: but Dan, the whole philosophy is a lot of It

860
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: also depends on how Eli performs. If Eli continues to

861
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: perform at a high level, regardless of the rest of

862
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the team, I don't think it's crazy to think they

863
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: may extend him. I mean, you have to understand. Drew

864
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: Brees was with the Chargers. Drew Brees was a veteran

865
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: quarterback who produced The Chargers made the trade with the

866
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Giants in two thousand four, Philip Rivers was a high pick.

867
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers sat for two years, so what's the dimmer

868
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: two and three but was still on his rookie contract

869
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: and he wasn't. Yeah, but Drew Brees was also coming

870
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: off a shoulder injury at a very very very very

871
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: high level and he was young at well. But no,

872
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: but then no, but then you hit it that that's

873
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: the point. If Eli still playing at a high level,

874
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: he keeps his job. If Eli doesn't play at a

875
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: high level, year comes Daniel Jones. It's it's honestly, it's

876
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: really that simple. If Eli plays well, he keeps the job.

877
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: Or and and if and if the team's winning, if

878
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: the team's losing and he stinks, well, then Daniel Jones

879
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: is gonna get put in there one more because I

880
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: know you're a million calls given what the Cardinals did

881
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: this year where they took Josh Rosen last year, they

882
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: took Kyler Murray this year, now, Rosen had plenty of

883
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: playing time for them to evaluate it. And I don't

884
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: know that Jones will this year. Do you see that

885
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: that could potentially going forward given the rookie I mean,

886
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: I guess the new CBO will come out in the

887
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: year or two. But do you see that being something

888
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: that teams may start doing in the future, where they

889
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: just start firing off of quarterbacks and just waiting to

890
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: get like to hit on their guy. That's just like

891
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: a unique circumstance. I think it's a unique circumstance, Dan,

892
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: And and and thank you very much for the call. I

893
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: appreciate it. The reason it's a unique circumstances because of

894
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: the change in a coach. Uh and GM who has

895
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: the same coach are not going to sell themselves on

896
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback and then bow on him after a year.

897
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. And Steve Kim, I don't think

898
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: he's boiling on Rosen. He knows that if Kingsbury doesn't succeed,

899
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: he's gonna get fired too, and he wants to give

900
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Kingsbury the guy that Kingsbury thinks gives him the best

901
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: chance to win, and that's Kyler Murray. And you know what,

902
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: if they win with Kyler Murray and all of a

903
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: sudden the offenses is prolific, Steve Kim is gonna look

904
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: good and the owner's gonna say, you know what, you made.

905
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: You made the gutsy decision to move on from Josh

906
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: Rosen and that and that's what the narrative is going

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: to be. Now. I think they mismanage it. I think

908
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: now they're in trouble because who's gonna want to trade

909
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: for Josh Rosen? If if, if someone doesn't get hurt.

910
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: But that being said, it only occurred because of the

911
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: unique connection between Kingsbury and Murray and that change at

912
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: this particular time. The baseball thing put all those things together,

913
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's really just a unique circumstances. All the two

914
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: of them had history. Kingsbury had scouted Murray going back

915
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: to high school. He tried to recruit him. He ultimately

916
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: went to Texas A and M. But if Steve Wilks

917
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: is the head coach of the Cardinals, I'm confident in

918
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: saying Josh Rosen is the only quarterback who was drafted

919
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: in the first round in each of the last two

920
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: years on the Cardinals roster right now, it's the head

921
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: coach change and clime. If he was still tied with Wilkes,

922
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: they would say, let's continue to monitor and develop Josh Rosen.

923
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: But Kingsbury comes in, says hey in order for me

924
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: to run my system, I need Kyler Murray. Steve Kime says, well,

925
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: if the coach doesn't succeed, then I'm out of a

926
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: job because I'm gonna be tied to the success or

927
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: the lack there over the head coach. And that's why

928
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: they went after Kyler Murray. But I actually have no

929
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: problem with keeping two quarterbacks. They're both on rookie deals,

930
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anything wrong with having Josh

931
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: Rosen as an insurance. I'd rather do that than trade

932
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: him for like a four or three. He's gonna get

933
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: no value back, but you know, I think they could

934
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: have gotten more for him if they would have handled

935
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: it differently. But who knows. We'll see. UM want to

936
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: remind you Big Bolkov is presented by corps Light download

937
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the cores Light awards that to an amazing Giants Prizes.

938
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: He wants about some of the other picks. Last, now,

939
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: we can't too, but I'm sure everything's gonna be on

940
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Letting Columbia. Marlan joins us. Next. Hello, Len, Hey, guys,

941
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: how you doing. I know you probably can't be too

942
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: happy right now? Good good, good, Hey listen. Um, First off,

943
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I just I just want to warn you guys. You're

944
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: probably gonna hear from me again this weekend. That's fine, okay, Um,

945
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: let me let me work backwards with with the with

946
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: the Bakers. Starting with the Baker pick. Um, I love

947
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: the player. Uh, this is a guy. I think if

948
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: he was a tick faster and wait six to eight

949
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: pounds more, he'd be a top ten pick. A tough time.

950
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: If Baker would have ran a four four, you're right,

951
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: I think he would have been a top twenty pick

952
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: at the very least. Okay, Um, tough kid. I like that.

953
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: You get the feeling when you listen to the interview,

954
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: when you read about him, his play at Georgia, his background.

955
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: H nothing's going to bother this kid. You feed him

956
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: on to play, you're going to pay for it on

957
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: the next play. I'd love to pick. It's a it's

958
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: a good one. It's a good one. Now, we gave

959
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: up a lot, you know, with all the holes that

960
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: we have on the team. You know, it's kind of interesting,

961
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: um that the two picks that we gave up, well,

962
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: not the two because we gave up thirty seven, but

963
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: the other two picks that we gave up. Um, one

964
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: one was the Harrison, the other one was the Apple

965
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: and the other was the Apple pick. Really really kind

966
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: of injury, just just the fact I don't know what

967
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: that means. But now let I I think it's gonna

968
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: worry about with Baker and and hopefully you guys can

969
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: help me with this. And I really get worried when

970
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: you start talking about another cornerback in this draft. I mean,

971
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: remember we used the supplemental pick last seventies and this,

972
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: but you can never have two much cornerbacks you want

973
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: to and don't even lend. You can never have too much. See,

974
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: I finally got through. Congratulations to me. I finally got

975
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: through to the line. I'm really feeling good about myself.

976
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: You can never have too much at a given position

977
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: because you don't especially corner about those guys who gotta

978
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: pay out. You don't know how healthy warner back you

979
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: can never have lend. Cornerback is the one position in

980
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: this legal ang the pass rushers that you stack players,

981
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and you can't have too many of them. Honestly, you

982
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: really can't. And right now, how many players are the

983
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: Giants have the cornerback position that you know for sure

984
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: can play on the giants. How many proo come out

985
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: of bing bingo bingo, and and this guy and Baker.

986
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think, I mean, Baker is

987
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: going to be a day one probably gonna be a

988
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Day one starter. I'm just hoping that we didn't waste

989
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: that pick last year, and the Bill is going to

990
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: get on the field and contribute. And I hope this

991
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: isn't the sign that, um, you know, the injury is

992
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: a lingering um. Now he's not able to put a

993
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: little bit of weight on um, you know. But but

994
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: but anyway, Hey, I'm glad we got Baker. I know

995
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: we gave up a lot, but I think he's going

996
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: to help us a lot. Um. Uh, you know, I

997
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: don't know a whole lot about what Betcher is trying

998
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to do. He's he's got me confused with his defense.

999
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that not to criticize Betcher, but this

1000
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: just to give you an idea about how much I know,

1001
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: which is not a whole lot. But the one thing

1002
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I do know about three or four defenses. Guys, when

1003
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: you go to the base, if you don't have a

1004
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: nosed tackle, you're dead in the water. You are dead

1005
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: in the water. This guy, Lawrence is going to help

1006
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: us more. Just the reference another caller who made a

1007
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: great call by it was a great call, but just

1008
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: a reference something he said. I think Lawrence makes a

1009
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: bigger difference on defense than Allen would have made on defense.

1010
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: Laurence okay, all right, a terrific player. Now, I guess

1011
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: I got to remind you of a couple of things.

1012
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: I said, I want to dealer there. Early in the week,

1013
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: I said, do it at seventeen, John, You said he's

1014
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: going to go earlier. I thought a little later, like

1015
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: six or seven picks later. I was kind of surprised.

1016
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised they moved the other guy.

1017
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: Just to take you back to the to the off

1018
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: season a little bit here. Early in the off season,

1019
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: Bradbury was sitting there, and I told you they weren't

1020
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: going to pick them there. He was the next pick well,

1021
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: and the Vikings were in desperate need of a center.

1022
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: They're going to move that center to guard, I think

1023
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: exactly the guard. And we talked about that. Yes, play

1024
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: Bradbury would I would have loved to have had Bradbury.

1025
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: But hey, listen, Lawrence, Lawrence is a stud I mean,

1026
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great place. I'm surprised at I'm

1027
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: surprised we went quarterback. A little shocked, um, But if

1028
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: we were going to go a quarterback, to tell you

1029
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: the truth, I'm not surprised that was Jon's. He just

1030
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: seems to fit the mold kind of guy that you know,

1031
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: the Giants would pick and and and there's talent there.

1032
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping that, you know, the whole thing works out.

1033
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: One of the one of the most important tasks that

1034
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman had when he took the job at Lance.

1035
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: You're probably going to remember an earlier discussion you and

1036
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: I had on this. He's going to have to manage

1037
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: this transition, and the first step is to get a

1038
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: quarterback who he thinks can play in the NFL and

1039
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: move us forward. And that he get a coach who

1040
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: can help that guy move forward. And I think he's

1041
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: got one in Sherman. You know, he's a good quarterback coach.

1042
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: The other part of this job and managing the transition

1043
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: is more than just getting the players, guys, it's when

1044
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: and how you go about making this transition. This could

1045
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: be a This is going to be a question every

1046
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: week at News conferences. You know, it's just gonna be

1047
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hanging there. It's it's just gonna be baggage.

1048
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna last with us through the whole season everybody way.

1049
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: They did the same thing with Kyle A Lett and

1050
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: they the same thing with Davis Webb. You know, this

1051
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: whole distraction. Point to me and appreciate the phone call

1052
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Land is a waste of time because the bottom line is,

1053
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: no matter when the quarterback is taken, no matter what

1054
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: round goes in, if Eli is not playing well, if

1055
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: the team is not playing well, people are gonna want

1056
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: to see the next best thing. I'm yeah, I'm not

1057
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: worried about that. I don't think it's in if the

1058
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Giants didn't have like we heard about it. We heard

1059
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: about this with Rid Nasses, we heard about it with

1060
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: Davis Webb. Then we heard about it and then people

1061
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: can point out was Alex Tandy and then people can

1062
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: they don't have anybody to go to. So it's always

1063
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: something with that and that. Look, when you're transitioning from

1064
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: an older quarterback, that's what you're gonna get. It's built

1065
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: into the equation, all right. And at least now there's

1066
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: no question, like do they believe in this guy? Is he?

1067
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: Is he the guy? You know? With Webb you weren't

1068
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: sure with the Lettle last year, like, oh, you know,

1069
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't been around pick. I don't know. You know

1070
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones is the guy. Like it or not,

1071
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: He's the guy and that's where they're at. And Lie

1072
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: has had to deal with questions consistently over the last

1073
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: few seasons. He also dealt with sitting out a game

1074
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: and watching from the sideline. If you're worried about his

1075
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: well being in his mindset, then I don't think you've

1076
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: been watching how he's dealt with things over the last

1077
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: few years. And the Giants were very open with him

1078
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: throughout this whole process, from the frank sit down in

1079
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: January between Gentleman and Eli, to discussing this with him

1080
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: throughout the last few weeks to calling him while or

1081
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: even before the pick was announced on television. Okay, so

1082
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 1: they were very careful to handled this properly. A lesson

1083
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I think everybody probably learned from two years ago. Let's

1084
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: go to coach Marvin and Delaware he's up next, Hey, coach,

1085
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: how are you? How are you doing? John and doing great,

1086
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: all right. Um, you know it's uh feeling kind of

1087
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: down right now with the with the Jones pick, But

1088
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do about it. Um, coach, here's

1089
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: the coach. Here's the bottom line. If he can play,

1090
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: it's great. If he can't, it's a mistake. And we're

1091
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: not going to know the answer to that question for

1092
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: a pretty darn long while. Sound that job, and I'm

1093
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: gonna try to teach him and get him, get him going.

1094
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I think what happens is we sometimes led in a

1095
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: direction sometimes that make you believe, um, of what's going on. Um, well, men,

1096
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: we had on the show for the last two and

1097
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: a half three months, guys, and that these quarterbacks are

1098
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: not work with in the first round. They should be

1099
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: second round. Jones is a second tier quarterback, and and

1100
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and we're hearing all these things about them and breaking

1101
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: me fits down. And then we picked them to the

1102
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: top six. And I think that's what this disappointing. And

1103
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: we hear things like, um, well, if you take a

1104
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: quarterback and you reach it's a huge mistake and it's

1105
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: going to get the franchise. You have a coach. The

1106
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: coach here is difference though the while the media members

1107
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: might have thought this was a reach in my personal

1108
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: evaluation of of Jones, maybe that that that was my

1109
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: take as well, that wasn't the giants opinion, And if

1110
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: you talk to everybody around the league, it's not just

1111
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: the Giants. By the way, teams around the league had

1112
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: a much higher opinion of Jones than the people that

1113
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: scouted in the media do. And I think it has

1114
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that they have a much

1115
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: more intimate knowledge of the player and the person on

1116
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: and off the field, which makes him more desirable for

1117
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: teams that are trying to fit them in, not just

1118
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: as a guy who does X, Y Z on the field,

1119
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: but a guy that brings the total package off the field, work, habits, personality,

1120
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I think that's why a lot

1121
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: of the teams feel a lot better about him than

1122
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: maybe the people the media do. And I can understand

1123
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: that they do. They get these guys. Believe me, I

1124
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: understand that's what you say. Of course, I hear you,

1125
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: I hear you. Hear last night now he said he

1126
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: had even online. I have found that hard to believe,

1127
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: but that's what he said. Because these guys are always

1128
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna tell you they relied on the board. Guess what,

1129
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: German Lance, we don't never see these of course. Well,

1130
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: and to your particular listen, coach, to your point in fairness,

1131
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: the individual making the pick, do you really think he's

1132
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: going to sell something any executive that is opposite in

1133
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: support of why they made the pick. I mean, listen,

1134
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: we're all not naive and we're not trying to sell

1135
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: you some make believe type of philosophy here. You're right,

1136
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: but once again, I would not take everything I hear

1137
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: in a press conference. Even when Ghettoman had his pre

1138
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: draft press conferences, and you know everybody's trying to read

1139
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: the tea leaves. He's under no obligation to give you

1140
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: clues as to what he's doing. No executive is you know,

1141
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: Steve Kim and the Cardinals weren't necessarily saying, oh, you know,

1142
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: we're absolutely gonna take Kyler Murray one percent. Believe every

1143
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: media report and it's not their job to do that

1144
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: and not agree with that. But don't lead me into

1145
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: some other directions. I would say, just do it what

1146
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick does or the way Jerry reach, Just like

1147
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna do what's best and take the best player

1148
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: when you elaborate on certain things, and he elaborate it

1149
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: last night when he said he had Allan and he

1150
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: had Jones on the same line. But then in the

1151
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: next sentence he says that, well, someone asked him a

1152
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: question about getting him seventeen. He said, well, you know what,

1153
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: if you wake the seventeen, you may not get him.

1154
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: So we took him six. Yeah, okay, but both could

1155
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: be true. Well, but I don't I don't think that's

1156
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: a crazy statement. Thank you, coach, appreciate the call. I don't.

1157
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that you know that that's a stretch.

1158
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: You could certainly say we had Josh Allen and Daniel

1159
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: Jones on the same line, and at the same time,

1160
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: we think if we would have rolled the dice to

1161
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: take it Josh Allen, that Daniel Jones wouldn't have been

1162
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: there at seventeen. So we went with the guy that

1163
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: we thought was I can't miss situation. And if you

1164
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: asked most executive and there's a choice between a quarterback

1165
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: and another position, I don't care what position it is,

1166
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: John point nine percent of them will say you take

1167
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback in that situation. If you're even with two players,

1168
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: one of which is a quarterback. It's a no brainer.

1169
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: Take the quarterback. And here's the thing. You don't ask

1170
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: any questions. Look at the history here, and this is

1171
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: why I'm inclined to believe Dave Gentleman and what he said.

1172
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: The Giants had every opportunity to take a quarterback in

1173
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, and if they wanted to reach for

1174
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback, they could have done it last year, all right,

1175
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: and said they took a running back. I gotta tell you,

1176
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Day've got him and probably cares a lot more about

1177
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: pass rushers and he cares about running backs based on

1178
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: his history. Okay, the fact that he passed on the

1179
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: running back, passed on a quarterback last year to take

1180
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: a running back, and then passed on a pass rushing

1181
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: us year to pick a quarterback. That tells me that

1182
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: Barkley was way ahead of the quarterbacks last year, significantly ahead,

1183
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: however you want to phrase it. And Josh Allen was

1184
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: not significantly ahead of Daniel Jones. He said at the combine,

1185
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: you have an area in range where if a non

1186
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: quarterback is great and even just slightly above a quarterback,

1187
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: just you know, a tenth of a point or however

1188
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: they want to do the grading system, sometimes the quarterback

1189
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: then does take priority. And I think that's what you're

1190
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: looking at here. He said they're identical. I have no

1191
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: reason not to believe him, and I think that's why

1192
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: they did what they did. Is that simple? James and

1193
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: New River. James, what's up are you guys doing today?

1194
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: We're doing all right, James? Good? Um. I just want

1195
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: to I guess give my two cents some uh draft

1196
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: last night, and you kind of the team as a

1197
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: whole um. And it's been six seven years we missed

1198
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I mean it's hard for me right

1199
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 1: now to see with our defense, how it's not gonna

1200
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: be seven and eight after seven out of eight after

1201
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: the next year, and then we're gonna probably move into

1202
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: a new quarterback and you know, I mean, unless he

1203
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: just starts out coming up the gates hot, you know

1204
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be eight outline. This The fan base has

1205
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: been through a lot m you know, we've I understand,

1206
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: we change regimes, but you know, we we've watched the

1207
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: Eric Flower's pick and then we're told, you know, well

1208
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: that just must be how they had them ranked on

1209
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: their board. And then the next year, we watched the

1210
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Eli Apple pick different regimes, push back James, remember though,

1211
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: it's a it is a different front office than made

1212
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, totally, I understand that.

1213
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's just disheartening. Like last year. You know,

1214
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: we had a you know a few years ago, we

1215
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: had a really tough season, end up with the second pick.

1216
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: And it's cool mentality that you have to maximize. It's

1217
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: I like, like Barkley as great back, but even as

1218
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: great as he was, he didn't equate two more wins

1219
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: and got it too and didn't take advantage of the

1220
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: thirst for quarterbacks and and we need and how he

1221
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: evaluated that roster as ready to compete and then midway

1222
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: through bails on that plan and then trades people away

1223
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: for pennies just to come back the next year after

1224
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: another top tough season, pick a second, a widely regarded second,

1225
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: the third round talent quarterback at six. But again, but

1226
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: they don't believe quarterback pick that we got from Beckham

1227
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: to replace the nose tackle that you traded away the

1228
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: previous year for like a fourth and then trade back

1229
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: in to the first to replace that corner that you

1230
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: got like a fit for and then like no with

1231
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: James James, James, James, hold on, James, hold on, James,

1232
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: hold on second, James, hold on, James, hold on one second.

1233
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: They believe Dexter Lawrence is a significantly better pass rusher

1234
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: than Snax Harrison is. That's what they believe. We'll see

1235
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: if it ends up being true. They believe DeAndre Baker

1236
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: is a significantly better player than ely Appolis. We'll see

1237
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: if that ends up being true. It's not just that

1238
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: every year he's been here for one year. James James, James, James, James.

1239
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman, James, you need to let us talk. It

1240
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: was James, he's been here for one year. You cannot

1241
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: go back to the prior regime and put that on.

1242
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman number two. Pick well, that's your opinion, though,

1243
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: James James. Half through James, James, James, how is? How

1244
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: is the how? First of all, no one said that

1245
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: they were going to compete for a Super Bowl? James

1246
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: how is? That doesn't mean he thought James James, how

1247
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: is the James? How is the rookie? James? Answer me

1248
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: this question, James, James, I got a quick question for you,

1249
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: how is the rookie of the year bombing his second

1250
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: overall pick? Can you explain that to me? Because running back?

1251
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: Because you want understand positional value, We've taken a running back,

1252
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: a less guard, a defensive tackle in a third round quarterback, James,

1253
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: we talked all year last year about positional value. Don't

1254
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: tell me I don't understand positional value. And we talked

1255
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: about running back value all year last year, James. First

1256
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: of all, the other thing that you neglect to understand,

1257
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: or at least mention, is he's breaking down just the

1258
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: removal of a player and then the drafting of another player.

1259
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: But there are also financial implications connected to all of this,

1260
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: salary cap implications at least when it comes to Snacks

1261
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: of well, that and that's why I think that's relevant.

1262
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: You can't just say Snacks was given away for nothing

1263
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: and then Dexter Lawrences brought in. Well, Dexter Lawrence also

1264
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: financially is going to be making a lot less money

1265
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: than Damon Snacks Harrison. And if you believe that Dexter

1266
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: is also going to stay on the field on third down,

1267
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: give you some pass rushing, he's actually more valuable not

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01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: to say he's a better player right now, he's more

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01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: valuable from a cap situation, because then it gives you

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Speaker 1: more flexibility to address other areas of the So my response,

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: once again to the last caller, is if you're going

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Speaker 1: to us read pamphlets and articles of where people are

1273
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: projecting guys to go, then at least understand the cap

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: implications of maneuvering like that. And nothing has ever made

1275
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. There are a lot of other situations

1276
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: and factors that you have to deal with when teams

1277
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: decide to move on from players and turn it into prospects.

1278
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: It's not just looking at one player in one year.

1279
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: And if Sae Kwon Barkley turns out to be a

1280
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, I'd like to hear you continue to

1281
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: say that that was bombing the second overall pick, regardless

1282
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Speaker 1: of whether you think running backs come and go, And

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01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: the fact that they traded for alec Ogletree does not

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Speaker 1: mean they were trying to make a Super Bowl run.

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Speaker 1: I've said this a million times, folks, There is a difference.

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01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: There isn't just two options going one in fifteen or

1287
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Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, all right, And I've said this

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: a million times. The organization feels that there is a

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01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: difference between winning seven games and winning two or three games.

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01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, they want to be competitive, why they rebuild.

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Speaker 1: That's what the alacogl Tree trade was about. If you

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Speaker 1: thought in September that this front office believe they were

1293
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team when they recycled almost of the

1294
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: roster in three or four days, then you're an idiot

1295
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: because it's clear the front office didn't think that because

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01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: they changed the roster the first week of September. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do you think they were making a super Bowl row

1298
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: when they traded Jason Pierre Paul for a future draft pick?

1299
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Speaker 1: Was that part of the super Bowl run idea to

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: clear cap space in future years? Come on? Well, it's

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Speaker 1: also it's also ridiculous. Look, there's plenty of stuff to

1302
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Speaker 1: honestly criticize the organization about. Okay, don't reach for stuff

1303
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. But what also doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense is that if you don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: then that automatically means that the expectations or the team

1306
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: were through the roof. When you could simultaneously, to your point,

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Speaker 1: rebuild and get better overall, the Indianapolis Colts, for example,

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01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: to me, a really good example Chris Ballard who took

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Speaker 1: over brand new GM. Ever then the whole thing with

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. He gets a lot of draft capital and

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Speaker 1: you know what, the early returns are very positive. Quentin Elson,

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Speaker 1: Braden Smith, Darius Leonard all produced. The team made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But if you would have told me, look at this roster, John,

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01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: he made a lot of changes. They didn't go out

1315
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: on a spending spree. He was investing a lot in youth.

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01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: He was giving Mattieberflus, their defensive coordinator, a brand new

1317
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: scheme by the way, a brand new coach and Frank

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01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: Wright and he was saying, hey, see what you can

1319
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: work with this. And you know what, a lot of

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Speaker 1: those guys came to play in year one. They produced,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, kudos to that organization. They made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But you're gonna tell me people were expecting

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Speaker 1: the Colts to win a Super Bowl that there were

1324
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: high expectations through the roof of that team. No, it's

1325
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Speaker 1: just simultaneously they were rebuilding and the team produced. It

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01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: can be done. Nobody's crowning and saying it's gonna happen

1327
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Speaker 1: with the Giants, But I don't want to hear that

1328
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: when you start giving away players, that means that you're

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: just hanging it up and saying that you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be competitive, when there's a number of examples in NFL

1331
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: history of teams saying, hey, we're gonna go in a

1332
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Speaker 1: younger direction. But at the same time, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: we can't feel the competitive team. And look, we talked

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: about the value of running back to the top of

1335
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: the draft for three months last year. Okay, it was

1336
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: the top of the conversation for three months, and Lance

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: and I was actually, we're actually on the other side

1338
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Speaker 1: of the argument. If you listen to the show. Yeah,

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01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: I listed tons of running backs on playoff teams I remember,

1340
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: and miss guys were taken mid round, undrafted free ages.

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01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: Would not disagree with anybody saying that running backs come

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Speaker 1: and go. But Kuan Barkley is also not a typical

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: running back in fairness, okay, se Kwan Barkley is a receiver.

1344
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: He's a dynamic, game changing player, so there's a difference.

1345
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: It turns out you evaluate him versus some of the

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: other guys that plug in and play and produce. And

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Speaker 1: that's how the Giants looked at him. And you, guys know,

1348
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: I was a Donald guy last year. But guys, there's

1349
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: a chance that Donald doesn't turn out to be a

1350
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: very good quarterback. I think he's going to be. I

1351
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 1: love him. I think he's a great player. But maybe

1352
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I was wrong. The Giants work could have

1353
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: picked exactly. That's what it comes down to. A final

1354
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: called Chuck in Florida. Wrap us up, here go Chuck. Hey, guys,

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: how are you doing well? Chuck? How are you good? Good? Uh?

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01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: I almost feel sorry for you, guys a little bit today.

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01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: Has you tried to spend six pick overall? It's it's

1358
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much the choice of Daniel

1359
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: Jones as much as the reach for him. Nobody Chuck again.

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Speaker 1: The team doesn't consider it a reach. They Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I understand. I think we could have got him at seventeen,

1362
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: but they they're behind the scenes and I couldn't see

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01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: another team really picking them maybe Washington, Hi, But then

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01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: we would have got we would ended up with Haskins

1365
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: at that assuming they loved though. Uh yes, um, can't

1366
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: we go back up? I want to go back to

1367
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: last year for a second, and we were just talking

1368
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: about se Kwon Barkley and I believed me. I believe you.

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: I think um get Leiman hit it out of the

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Speaker 1: park last year. The first three rounds were unbelievable. I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it was we picked say Kwon Barkley. It

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Speaker 1: was I was the happiest moment of my life, almost

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: beside my son being born. And and then I think

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: in the fourth round he kind of just fell off

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: the rails. I think the low Letta pick was a

1376
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: wasted pick. You already had what's his name, his web

1377
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: and you know, so you already had a uh an

1378
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: incompetent backup. Why go waste the fourth round pick on

1379
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: another one? But then you think maybe I'm sorry, no,

1380
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: but but but they they didn't draft him, saying we're

1381
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: going to draft the backup. They thought maybe he could

1382
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: develop into something and maybe it's not going some work

1383
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: out that way. It happens, and they chucked Dave. And

1384
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, and I'm consistent with it.

1385
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: Day three picks of crapshoots. Man, you get past that

1386
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: third round, the chance you find a really good players

1387
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: on Day three. You just do the math on it

1388
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,919
Speaker 1: ain't good. I understand, but wouldn't you be better off

1389
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: at that point with those odds, especially a quarterback? Posis,

1390
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: why are we do you have them? Think you'd be

1391
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: better off? Do you back up cornerback or linebacker in

1392
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: special teams? Do you have a larger point as to

1393
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: why we're relitigating the eighteen draft the day after the

1394
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: nineteen draft started? Do you have a larger point? To

1395
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: a point? Get to the larger point. I think he

1396
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: wasted the fifth pick with another defensive tackle that couldn't

1397
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: help us. How do you know? But you don't know

1398
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: that when you make the pick, Chuck. If they knew

1399
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: the guy had a condition, they didn't medical issue, so

1400
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: he was supposed to get it done before and he didn't.

1401
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: You chuck, Chuck. If you find me an executive that

1402
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: will tell you, you you know what, we went and made

1403
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: that selection. You know we felt conversion rate of success? Yeah,

1404
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: we don't think we come on, you truly believe that,

1405
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: you truly believe that the majority of NFL executives hand

1406
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: in the cards and say, we're not really feeling too

1407
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: good about this. We're gonna give him that come on,

1408
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: come on, Chuck, I mean, I get it. Listen. We

1409
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: can sit here four or five years down the road

1410
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: and say, hey, the pick didn't pan out, and by

1411
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: the way, and results are what matters, by the way,

1412
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not disputing, but but I don't think any

1413
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: executive has no confidence defend Chuck. It's not a job

1414
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: to defend. It's reality versus this in the big in

1415
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: the big picture, you have to think back on what

1416
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: happened to us over the last couple of months. We

1417
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: lost three All Pro players on and we let two

1418
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: of them are on defense. So what do we pick

1419
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: last night? Another defensive tackle when we need somebody that

1420
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: can rush the passer. Okay, that's fair, John, let me

1421
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: let me say that. No, Chuck, that's Chuck. That's fair.

1422
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: If you're unhappy about that, I think that makes sense.

1423
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: I get it, and then that's fine. I've been home

1424
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: for three and a half months with me surgery. I've

1425
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: listened to you guys religiously. I agree with you, not

1426
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: of the time, over the over the last if I

1427
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: can't count how many times I've heard John say, if

1428
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: one of those tops defensive guys falls to us at six,

1429
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: you can run to the podium, You're sprint to the poem.

1430
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: I've said that a million times. Are absolutely correct, and

1431
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: if I was the guy running the show, that's what

1432
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: I would have done. But I'm not. Last night I

1433
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: was watching the draft of my son and the way

1434
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: that ships were falling, and Josh Allen has been my guy.

1435
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: He's been my number one defensive guy. I I just

1436
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: like in a three or four defense. I love that

1437
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: outside linebacker position. I thought the book ends of him

1438
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: and Carter would have been dynamic, disruptive, you know, and

1439
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: I was kind of heartbroken when they didn't pick him.

1440
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: It was win when Oakland went with with Cleyland Ferrell

1441
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: up here, you know, I thought, Okay, we're either gonna

1442
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: get Devin White, but we're gonna get Josh Allen. Either way,

1443
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: we win. My son turned to the days, But what

1444
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: about the quarterback? I said, we don't need a quarterback now.

1445
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: We can get a quarterback later, we can. I was

1446
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: thinking we were gonna pull I thought Edelman was going

1447
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: to pull a fast one and go after Rosen with

1448
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: maybe next year's second round pick and not have to

1449
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: use any of this year's stuff and still get your

1450
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: quarterback and build your defense at the same time. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.

1451
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: We're way over man, we gotta go. Okay, I appreciate man,

1452
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: thank you for the call. We're already thirteen minutes over here.

1453
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: I had had to wrap that call up. The last

1454
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: two calls went a little long. I apologize, folks. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's all presented by Core's Light. By the way, download

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Speaker 1: the cores Light Awards out to an amazing John's Prizes. Guys, Look,

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01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: we're not defending what's going on, all right. We're explained

1458
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: to you why it happened, and what the processes and

1459
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: what the thinking is. That's what we're doing. You know

1460
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: what our opinion was before. If you listen to the

1461
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: show last week month, Chuck, you know what we think.

1462
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a surprise. I mean, you know,

1463
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick Jones at six, but I'm not

1464
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: the one making the calling. What it's the facts of life.

1465
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want to do? Storm upstairs

1466
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: and trying to take Dave Kettle's chop? Hey, what they

1467
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna work? My ass is gonna be out on the street.

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. First. Lance would love to see

1469
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: it isn't to deal with me anymore. Whatever reason why

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01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm happening you up to do it, just want to

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Speaker 1: remind you folks. A At seven o'clock today, Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live comes live with Paul the Tino and me.

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Speaker 1: We'll cover round two and three. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: interviews with all of our picks from today. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if you can work that out and we'll have that

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Speaker 1: live you on johnts dot com at seven for Lance Medal.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmultway. I was gonna say, you're also gonna

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Speaker 1: break down the third, fourth, and fifth rounds from the

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen Draft two right by the way, and

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Speaker 1: then on Saturday we'll be back for the for for

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Speaker 1: Day three at noon for whatever picks of John's depending on.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you at seven