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Speaker 1: on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland Live from the NFL's annual

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. He are your hosts, Bo Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Hi, let's are live on a first Friday initiative Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the great z.

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Speaker 2: He does not like Mayo on his now, jeez, Louise

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Speaker 2: just doesn't like it.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I detest Mayo ever. Did order a sandwich?

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Speaker 3: No Mayo at all? And not only is it slathered

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Speaker 3: in it, it's on the top, top end bottom.

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Speaker 4: There was no way out, give me no Did you

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Speaker 4: see who just walked by?

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Speaker 3: As part as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 5: By the way, this is on brand for the comment I'm.

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Speaker 3: Given this sandwich place a real wrap sheet, if you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Team shoulds. That's right, That's yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's right.

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Speaker 2: So the reality behind the curtain here, so we were,

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Speaker 2: you know, looking for a little bit of lunch in

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Speaker 2: the noonish, but things were kind of eating up, and

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Speaker 2: so you know that lunch ended up taking place more

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Speaker 2: around two ten is when it ended up happening. And

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Speaker 2: so we had put together orders for a little pickup

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Speaker 2: and then have a lunch and away you go. And

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Speaker 2: there are two things that I know that you abhor

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Speaker 2: from a food standpoint. Number one would be any sort

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Speaker 2: of of a hard boiled egg of any anything of that,

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Speaker 2: and then any sort of male remis. Yep, we're out

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Speaker 2: out on my own, crema. And so when doctor Z

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Speaker 2: got his semi.

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Speaker 3: And let's just say double layer, this wasn't needed.

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Speaker 2: It was That's my point. We were looking for it

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Speaker 2: at eleven twenty was needed, and it three hours later.

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Speaker 2: The events of last night juxtaposed only enhanced the need

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Speaker 3: The desire for that's right. Yeah, and see on down

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Speaker 3: the road. They had a great we had a great

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Speaker 3: night last night though that's a great a great night,

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Speaker 3: what really a fun night. So we had got to

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Speaker 3: eat it at Elmo's, which was delightful. I'm not gonna there.

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Speaker 3: There there are tweaks I would I would like to see,

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Speaker 3: but the shrimp was excellent. Shrimp was excellent, one of

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Speaker 3: the best a jous I've had.

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Speaker 2: And was that a lot of flavor, delightful, robust a yeah,

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Speaker 2: A delicious salad, wonderful sound.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that they call it a rib.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it was. I might call it a rib.

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Speaker 2: I just yeah. I mean, I love everything about it.

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Speaker 2: I love the atmosphere, I love the folks that are there.

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Speaker 2: I think they make a great cocktail. The dessert is

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Speaker 2: always a delight. We've had various desserts. The dessert we

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Speaker 2: had last night was.

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Speaker 3: Fair, though it's really our fault. We did a whole

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Speaker 3: There is discussion on how to handle the situation last night,

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Speaker 3: and then we were sweet talked out of it.

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Speaker 2: So, knowing what we knew from a year ago and

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Speaker 2: now you've known for many years, that's right. We knew

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Speaker 2: that the play was to order medium, yep. And our

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Speaker 2: waiter was great, and so we ordered the medium. But

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Speaker 2: you have a caveat you say, look, I'm a medium rare,

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Speaker 2: but you guys do things a little different.

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Speaker 3: My mouth just ordered the medium, and.

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Speaker 2: Just and I was with you because when he came

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Speaker 2: to me, so you ordered first, and then we went

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Speaker 2: all the way around to Sicileana and Gibbet, and then

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Speaker 2: he came to me. I was last, and so I

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Speaker 2: was in a situation where I then parroted what you said,

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Speaker 2: and I said, look, I'm medium rare, but I feel

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Speaker 2: like you guys are under that, especially on the prime rib.

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Speaker 2: And he goes, here's what I'm gonna do. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: go medium, no marks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you guys, you guys got excited about that.

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Speaker 3: But good.

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Speaker 4: He was a great sales He sold it, well, you've

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Speaker 4: been there veteran twenty four years.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's in and I've been there twenty years.

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Speaker 3: It really was the exact way it would have been

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Speaker 2: It was the exact same experience I had last year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: We gave the caveat because I.

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Speaker 2: Think I even said I need the fat to render

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Speaker 2: in the prime pretty.

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Speaker 3: Sure said that, and instead it was.

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Speaker 6: Like it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it no, no, So I'm delicious. Next year,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a different approach, approach entirely.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to keep it. I'm gonna keep, you know,

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Speaker 3: keep seeing if we don't tell, you know what I

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Speaker 3: like right now, this might be the first combine on

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Speaker 3: record where you threw it next year in there. Normally

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Speaker 3: it's I'm never coming as you're a bit and now

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Speaker 3: you're in. So he's in corporate bow, one of the

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Speaker 3: big person.

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Speaker 2: Getting a guaranteed combine appearance for next year. I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic, So that's good we have that to look

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Speaker 3: forward to. Then we went out about it. One of

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Speaker 3: the cool things about this, as we called it, kind

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Speaker 3: of NFL Disneyland, as we ended up running into some

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Speaker 3: of our friends. My partner on my first ever fantasy

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Speaker 3: football show, Great t J.

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Speaker 6: Jefferson from our from our.

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Speaker 3: Show back in the day Fantasy Football, I think it's

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Speaker 3: Fantasy Football Live, That's what we called it. And I

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Speaker 3: had clips. He had a clip from me he did

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Speaker 3: twenty ten where I'm doing the segment in a week

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Speaker 3: ten start. Sits in a in a Randy Moss Marshall jersey.

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Speaker 3: He was in his Cowboys chef outfits of that. So

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Speaker 3: we run into TJ. And then TJ's are my good

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Speaker 3: friend Don and we run into Rich Eisen, and Rich

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Speaker 3: Eisen turns out has known you about you for a decade.

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Speaker 3: Eyes in a big Michigan fan. You obviously do the

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Speaker 3: the buck eyes your three Things. Yeah, and Don had

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Speaker 3: been sending three Things by bo Bishop to Rich eisen

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Speaker 3: for a decade And what did he say when he

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Speaker 3: saw you when he was finally introduced.

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Speaker 2: I believe the quote was, wait, you're bo e fin Bishop.

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Speaker 3: That's right from Rich Eisen less right, who then proceeded

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Speaker 3: to regale us with tales of the Great l d.

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Speaker 3: I just said to my love one l Larities on

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Speaker 3: your show, we got some tails and then we had,

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Speaker 3: you know, Don and TJ. We'll tell him this story,

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Speaker 3: tell them that store and just what ever?

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Speaker 6: Real?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 2: That's I was so much fun.

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Speaker 3: The combine.

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Speaker 2: It was so much fun. And that's the combine is

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Speaker 2: running into folks. And obviously you've been doing this a

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Speaker 2: but I've been over here quite a bit now. And

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Speaker 2: and you run into people in places who you've seen before.

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Speaker 2: I mean that like that relationship you have with TJ

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Speaker 2: that goes back two decades, you know, I mean, and.

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Speaker 3: So almost twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you think about, you know, where you

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Speaker 2: both have gone since, But then you keep that connective

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Speaker 2: tissue and you just never know. It's It's a really

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Speaker 2: cool thing how how big the NFL fields at times,

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Speaker 2: but also how small it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. You have to run into our coaches

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Speaker 3: and see people that you don't necessarily see in social settings,

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Speaker 3: in social settings, and.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes with the odd people that they're dining with. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was sometimes that happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no idea of going on, no idea, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: You needed oral histories? How did we get to this moment? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: need all of those things.

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Speaker 2: You said it give I mean, I guess he said it.

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Speaker 2: It's fair to be fair. Todd will join us here

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Speaker 2: in the second hour of the program. So this was

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Speaker 2: his big Today was his big day where he had

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Speaker 2: his podium session. He's amazing and and I you know,

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Speaker 2: starts to hit home. Okay, Like the staff is pretty

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Speaker 2: for the most part, staff is there. And now we're

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Speaker 2: have these moments where you start to realize, man, he's

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Speaker 2: one of thirty two. Yeah, lifelong dream realize.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: So pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: It's very it's very cool. And again, as we've kind

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Speaker 3: of told you all along, he's a guy that you're

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Speaker 3: going to what you see is what you get. That's

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Speaker 3: asked the direct question, you're going to get a direct answer.

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Speaker 3: He was very, very I think excited about, you know,

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Speaker 7: He is.

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Speaker 3: Just as authentic as it gets. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna you're as I've said, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: like this. You're going to like his style. I know

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Speaker 3: the interview I did with him right after he was hired,

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Speaker 3: this is absolutely the right guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. And then you the

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Speaker 2: other thing that's cool. You think of all the connective

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Speaker 2: the genuine happiness they have for him for getting the shot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: has been something that's very cool. And you know, you

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Speaker 3: I mean I was walking back yesterday and John Harbaugh's

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Speaker 3: it's crazy, sure, okay, yeah, but it's crazy. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: what's again, that's what's cool about the combine and then

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Speaker 3: all the people we get to learn from. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: running into Great Coast Cell we've done that out. We

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Speaker 3: were gonna have an opportunity to sit down and talk

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Speaker 3: to them on this show. He's the best. There's it's

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Speaker 3: it's a very cool place in the NFL world for

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Speaker 3: a period of time wherever, I guess see Matt Stark,

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Speaker 3: he really enjoying his sandwich. Yeah, mine, they just botched

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Speaker 3: my orders, tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Did yours have Mao?

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Speaker 3: See?

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Speaker 2: Oh, every every sandwich delivered didn't have Mayo except the

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Speaker 2: one guy who didn't want it.

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Speaker 3: No mail, no mail, all caps, all caps, no mail,

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Speaker 3: all men.

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Speaker 5: All mean to laugh at your expense, but I'm laughing

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Speaker 5: at yours.

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Speaker 3: I heard I was blamed for according to your tweet

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Speaker 3: The great Siciliana.

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Speaker 3: You can tease that.

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Speaker 2: In the old days. In the old days, yes, it

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Speaker 7: Oh oh, you guys are on a different times.

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Speaker 2: We're three to five.

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Speaker 7: Then got it, got.

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Speaker 5: It, And then the girl blew his golf match, and there.

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Speaker 3: You're not beating it.

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Speaker 2: There was a great deal of zessed in the relaying

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Speaker 3: We were all always hoping it could just become a

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Speaker 6: It was. It was a beating. There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Can you go back to you You're going to do

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Speaker 7: When is it coming up?

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Speaker 2: Four o'clock?

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Speaker 7: Four o'clock coming up at four o'clock.

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Speaker 10: New Brown's head coach Todd Munkin joined CBD.

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Speaker 7: Among other things, he'll.

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Speaker 8: Tell you why drinking soda makes you guys boring.

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Speaker 11: You will that that was a good bet, That was

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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, pop makes you guys boring.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's a sound, not a beverage.

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Speaker 12: But I think that's but all my all my cousins

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a little habit the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna end.

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Speaker 2: It got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 3: It's pop comes from a soda pop soda podcast, So

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Speaker 2: I would agree with you that that's the critical that's

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Speaker 2: Analysts with the worldwide leader, Jordan Reed, we were talking

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Speaker 2: before we got started. It's been years. You come on

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Speaker 2: It's good to see good things happen to good people.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: You make me feel old with all these flashbacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, imagine us. Yeah, we feel exactly.

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Speaker 2: This is there is something. There's an energy that happens

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Speaker 3: When you look at these quarterbacks in this draft, you

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Speaker 3: years ago, he might have been drafted in the top ten. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And then so it falls here, how how are you

445
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 3: kind of if somebody was looking at him and you say, okay, look,

446
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 3: the clay's good. Do you see that there are things

447
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: you need drilling? But how much you look at what

448
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 3: Penn State was doing on offense, the things he's had

449
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 3: to deal with while at Penn State, how do you

450
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 3: kind of factor those things in? Because it does feel

451
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 3: like he's the one guy that we could look back

452
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: in five years and be like, oh, you know, he's

453
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 3: got the tools that he could have been great. We

454
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 3: should have seen it earlier.

455
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 13: I think the biggest reason is you have to figure

456
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 13: out the why, like why did he never take that

457
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 13: big leap that a lot of people wanted him to take?

458
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 13: And is the inaccuracies associated with his mechanics? Do you

459
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 13: feel that it is improvable? Or why did it not

460
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 13: improve over the course of his career? So, just how comfortable,

461
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 13: whether it's your quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, do you feel

462
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 13: comfortable with trying to improve his mechanics? And then also

463
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 13: do you have the leeway to take on a project

464
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 13: like that just because he is a huge project. Whenever

465
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 13: you're talking about correcting the mechanics of a quarterback from

466
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 13: a physical trait standpoint, I think you can make a

467
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 13: strong argument that he has the best physical traits of

468
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 13: any quarterback in this class.

469
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Speaker 9: Is just a matter of is the accuracy actually improvable?

470
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: It's nothing we're going to be in on. And you

471
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: said sharp yet and that's the consensus that Mendoza's going one.

472
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 2: But I am just curious where would you have him

473
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 2: in comparison to some of the other number one overall quarterbacks.

474
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: The last four or five years.

475
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 13: I actually do not like him as much as I

476
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 13: did cam Ward last year. I just don't see the

477
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 13: physical traits like a cam Ward that can withstand having

478
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 13: poor surroundings, and we saw cam have plenty.

479
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 9: Of flashes last year.

480
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 13: I just don't think Mendoza is capable ofwithstanding poor surroundings.

481
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 13: And with Mendoza, you're going to hear the comps like

482
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 13: Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff and some of those. Matt

483
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 13: Ryan is another one that is frequently used. But the

484
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 13: player that I wrote down is my comp for Mendoza

485
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 13: with Sam Brafford. I think he is very reminiscent of

486
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 13: Sam Brafford, somebody that was a number one overall here

487
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 13: that won the Heisman Trophy, stylistically, supremely accurate, very smart.

488
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 13: Even the personalities are early similar to me. And Sam

489
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 13: was a really good player when he was healthy. He

490
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 13: just didn't stay healthy throughout his career. But with Sam,

491
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 13: you always needed those perfect surrounds in order to see

492
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 13: his full potential. And I think that's what the Raiders

493
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 13: are going to have to do with Mendoza.

494
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: What can we learn from the fact that the hottest

495
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: free agent quarterback this year is Malik Willis, who went

496
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: in the third round coming out of Liberty, had a

497
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: lot of tools. I remember coming to after the combine,

498
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: the would be, Oh, he's gonna go on the absolutely

499
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: ten Yeah, for sure, and then he goes in the

500
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: third round. Tennessee ultimately gives up on him. He goes

501
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: to Green Bay and gets kind of with a very

502
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: good offensive coach and Lafleur, and now he is going

503
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: to be the top paid free agent quarterback in the

504
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: NFL this year, most likely at least other the ones

505
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: we know our free agents right now, you know, not

506
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: counting if Kyler or however any of those things go down.

507
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: What can we learn from that? In this league?

508
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 13: It's just sometimes guys need time to develop and they

509
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 13: don't need to play very early on in his career.

510
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 13: I always thought that Maleak was going to be a

511
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 13: project entering the league, just because he had some inaccuracies

512
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 13: that was associated with him. Specifically over the middle of

513
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 13: the field. That is where he really struggled. And that's

514
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 13: what you see a lot of times with these shorter

515
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 13: quarterbacks throughout the league, is that they really struggle over

516
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 13: the middle of the field and as they started quarterback

517
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 13: in the NFL. If you can't win over the middle

518
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 13: of the field, you're not going to be a startup

519
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 13: very long. So I think that was one of the

520
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 13: biggest changes that he made as far as improving his accuracy,

521
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 13: was just his consistency over the middle of the field.

522
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 13: And then also at Tennessee, he just didn't have great

523
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 13: personnel outside of Derek Henry. He didn't really have a

524
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 13: lot of people to throw to outside of aj Brown

525
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 13: during their time together. But he just wasn't ready to

526
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 13: step into a situation where he needed to be the savior.

527
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 13: But when he went to Green Bay, he found some

528
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 13: coaches that were invested in him. He got to sit

529
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 13: behind Jordan Love and really learn the intricacies of playing

530
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 13: the position, and then when he went out there, he

531
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 13: understood what it took to really be successful.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing story there. One of the positions that

533
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: we certainly hope that we will be in on is

534
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: at wide receiver, and we're going to have to draft

535
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: a weapon. Three picks in the top forty, how do

536
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: you view the top end of this receiver class and

537
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: then the second tier? How do you kind of see

538
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: the gap there between those two, and who do you.

539
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 13: Like most Well, I think there's a clear big three

540
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 13: at the top and you have Cardinal Tate, Makay Lemon,

541
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 13: and Jordan Tyson. My favorite and my number one wide

542
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 13: receiver in this class is Cardinal Tate. I just think

543
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 13: he brings so many things to the position. He's a

544
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 13: silky smooth route runner, doesn't drop anything. He can catch

545
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 13: passes outside of his frame. He can dig the ball

546
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 13: out if things are low, but he can run every

547
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 13: branch on the route tree. And I mean, you can

548
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 13: go back and watch any game from last season. My

549
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 13: personal favorite was Wisconsin. He had a catch in the

550
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 13: back of the end zone that was just incredible in

551
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 13: that one. But I think he's a high end wide

552
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 13: receiver two on the next level, the player that he

553
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 13: personally reminds me of. He's not this caliber prospect, but

554
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 13: just talking about from a body type standpoint and the

555
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 13: way he wins and plays the game is Davonte Smith.

556
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 13: I see a lot of Davonte Smith in his game,

557
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 13: being that skinnier receiver that has outstanding hands. He can

558
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 13: win down the field vertically, but also he can be

559
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 13: a three level threat just because of how well, he

560
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 13: breaks down or he sinks his weight. He could snap

561
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 13: off routes in the shorten intermediate areas too, so Davonte Smith,

562
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 13: excuse me, Carll Tate is very reminiscent of Devonte Smith.

563
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 13: And then after that, you know Jordan Tyson dependent on

564
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 13: the medicals with him, he could find himself going in

565
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 13: that mid to late first round range. But after that

566
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 13: you have that second tier. That second tier consists of

567
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 13: Omar Cooper out of Indiana. Who's really catching team here lately,

568
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 13: Denzel Boston YEP out of Washington. I think is very underrated.

569
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 13: A lot of people have been scared of that archetype

570
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 13: just because it hasn't translated well. But I think he's

571
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 13: a much better athlete than some of the players of

572
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 13: that archetype, of that statue that we have seen.

573
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: And then he runs. What does he need to run

574
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: or what does he need to show agility wise to

575
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: make you say, okay, this guy could be a real ax.

576
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 13: I think as long as he keeps it below like

577
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 13: four five two four five three that range, I think

578
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 13: I would be very comfortable. But you'll be, oh, absolutely,

579
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 13: you'll be completely sold on him. And you know he

580
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 13: runs that low four to five tape, but just his

581
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 13: hand strength to catch the ball out of the air.

582
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 13: That's something that really stands out about him. And you

583
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 13: know in the offense that they want to run in Cleveland,

584
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 13: they need that big body guy that can go down

585
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 13: the field. But if they don't like Boston, there's a

586
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 13: real huge cluster of those types in this draft. I'm

587
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 13: thinking of Malachai Fields at Notre Dame, ted Hurst at

588
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 13: Georgia State, Chris Brasel at Tennessee.

589
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 9: Those big body guys.

590
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 13: That can win down the field and win when they

591
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 13: climbed the ladder to kiss the football.

592
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: You think about the Browns at six and twenty four

593
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: with their first two picks. If you were thinking, like,

594
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: let's just say that those are gonna be a receiver

595
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: and a tackle, or a tackle and a receiver. How

596
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: do you see that shaking out in terms of the

597
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: value propo. Do you want that receiver early and then

598
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: a tackle or is there a tackle that you say, man,

599
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: this guy is so good. We got to get that

600
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: tackle and then we'll worry about the clump of receivers

601
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: At twenty four.

602
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 13: I would want the receiver first, just because I think

603
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 13: there's a clear big three right now with those three

604
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 13: that we mentioned, and they may even have the pick

605
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 13: of the litter, especially if those defensive vands come off

606
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 13: of the board. Within that two to five range. With

607
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 13: the Jets, the Cardinals, and the Titans, we could see

608
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 13: three defensive linemen go two, three, four consecutively.

609
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 9: Depending on what the Giants do.

610
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 13: They could take a receiver, but if they do take one,

611
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 13: you still have a chance of those big three at

612
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 13: the top of the draft.

613
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 9: So I would go receiver first.

614
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 13: But the great thing about being at twenty four, I

615
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 13: think that is right in the middle of the sweet

616
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 13: spot of where we're gonna see what I think seven

617
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 13: offensive tackles go in the first round. So, speaking of

618
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 13: Blake Miller at Clemson, I think he's firmly in that range.

619
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 13: Max Ianacher at Arizona State, he's won. This's in that range.

620
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 13: Monroe Freeland, depending on how he tests, I think he's

621
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 13: probably gonna test himself out of that range. But he's

622
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 13: someone that could be in that target area. In Caden

623
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 13: Procker at Alabama, depending on how you feel about.

624
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: Him, it's gonna be interesting because you're right, that's kind

625
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: of what you're looking at here. When if you're the Browns,

626
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: and then just when you're talking about these receivers and

627
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: even this tackle class, how do you kind of stack

628
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: these against recent classes? Like last year was we love

629
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Teed McMillan. McMillan, that abuco was I think the next

630
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: receiver off the board. How do you slot like Carnell

631
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Taiting that big three with those guys.

632
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 13: I don't think he's the caliber of receiver as those two.

633
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 13: I love those two in last year's class. I love

634
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 13: Tet and I love to make a Buka. Those were

635
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 13: such clean evaluations to me. So he would be a

636
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 13: tier below those guys in my honest opinion, and the

637
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 13: end this offensive tackle class, it will be a tier

638
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 13: below last.

639
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 9: Year's class too.

640
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 13: I don't think there's a Will Campbell or a Calvin

641
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 13: Banks or armand Membu.

642
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 9: I just don't see that type of talent indis class.

643
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: So would you be thinking maybe move out of six

644
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: if that was the positions you were targeting, because you know,

645
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: maybe the top six guys or maybe a downs is

646
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: in that group. Jeremiah loves in that group, and that's

647
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: probably not the direction or even a sunny south but

648
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: off ball that we just drafted Sweessenger. You know, we

649
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: just drafted Judkins.

650
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 13: The issue with that though, it takes two to tango,

651
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 13: and I don't think there's a team that's gonna be

652
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 13: willing or rushing to trade up just because really, the players,

653
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 13: excuse me, you slicked from really five all the way

654
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 13: through twenty to twenty five in this draft. They're all

655
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 13: in the same bucket as far as like the grades

656
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 13: that you have in this just class. So that's why

657
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 13: I think we're gonna have a very status quo first round.

658
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 13: I don't think a lot of teams are gonna be

659
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 13: willing to move around. One for the reason that I

660
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 13: just said, the lack of blue chip talent, but also,

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Speaker 13: That is a quote unquote loaded draft. They understand what's

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Speaker 13: coming potentially in next year's class too.

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Speaker 2: Coming up here at the top of the hour. Our

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Speaker 2: conversation with Todd Munkin really great to see him. Some

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Speaker 2: of the big headlines from the media availability for everybody

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Speaker 2: that happened afterwards. Among the topics conversation, obviously, the quarterback

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Speaker 2: room was heavy loaded in that among his comments on

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Speaker 2: at shouldear Sanders has what it takes to be QB

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Speaker 2: one says he's a long way to go, but can

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Speaker 2: make up ground. Hope that he can get to Shaun

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Speaker 2: Watson back to an elite level, and then the quarterback competition.

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Speaker 2: One of his big lines is I don't pick the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't pick the players. The players decide who plays. Yep,

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Speaker 2: so that is something I mean. This is the thing

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Speaker 2: for with Todd is this is blank slave for everybody,

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Speaker 2: every player on the roster.

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Speaker 3: Totally. It is a It is a you know, there

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Speaker 3: are people that are going to have a lot of

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Speaker 3: equity in terms of their performance that Todd already is

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Speaker 3: earmarking for, you know, big things. He tried to talk

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Speaker 3: Joel Buttonio back, for example, like Joe Antonio's role will

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Speaker 3: be pretty set.

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Speaker 6: He's that.

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Speaker 3: I tried to talk him into coming back last week

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately Buttonio did not said he was not ready

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Speaker 3: to make that kind of a decision. But yeah, this

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Speaker 3: is an opportunity to define your role for the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six Cleveland Browns. It's not what's happened in the past.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure some of that. It matters in terms of

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Speaker 3: what your starting spot will be, but what your ending

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Speaker 3: spot is is going to be largely up to you

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Speaker 3: and your performance and your work and how quickly you

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Speaker 3: pick up this offense, how quickly you know you go

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Speaker 3: and you show Todd Monkin that you're a guy that

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Speaker 3: needs to be on the field for this team to

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Speaker 3: be operating at its best.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's you know, I think that once his

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Speaker 2: plan for that, which I'm sure he's was all part

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Speaker 2: of the hiring process and everything, But I think that's

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Speaker 2: going to be very fascinating. How that's you got to

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Speaker 2: because you've got to remember, what, do we get an

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Speaker 2: extra two weeks of practice and now we'll get in

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Speaker 2: the summer because.

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Speaker 3: Of that, Yeah, we'll get more time, we get to

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Speaker 3: start people come back for OTAs a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 3: and then yeah, you'll get more time and you get

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Speaker 3: to I think train camp gets to start a little

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Speaker 3: bit earlier.

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Speaker 2: Which you love, love that, love that, it's all about it.

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Speaker 2: Get that sucker to start July tenth or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Just get that.

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Speaker 5: You can go straight to hell.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Number one, we're

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Speaker 4: going to start earlier with the off season program, right, like, yep,

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks earlier. And I'm pretty sure, we

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Speaker 4: get a second mini camp, although it's not mandated. Mandatory

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Speaker 4: is still at June, but there's another you get an

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Speaker 4: option for a second mini camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know he's going to have those opportunities

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Speaker 2: to kind of get this ironed out. But you know

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Speaker 2: it's all going to come back to quarterback and how

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Speaker 2: that plays out. And you know the cool thing I

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Speaker 2: you know, I put myself in the shoes of Deshaun

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Speaker 2: Watson and you get that same blank slate. Man, he

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Speaker 2: hasn't played in a long time. Obviously missed all of

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Speaker 2: last year. It's been a long time since we've seen

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Speaker 2: him play. But now he's he's wants to prove that

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Speaker 2: he can still do it. We all know DeShawn wants

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Speaker 2: to play in the worst way, and so he's going

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Speaker 2: to get a clean slate to see with Todd if

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Speaker 2: he's got still some gas left in the tank.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this isn't open. There is not anybody on this

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Speaker 3: roster that you're saying right now you happen to be

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Speaker 3: our Week one starter. That's just there, just isn't. There

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Speaker 3: isn't a body of work within you know, for Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 3: there's nothing from you know twenty twenty on right or

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one on twenty two, the last time that

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Speaker 3: he was a pro bowler. That says, okay, like you're

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Speaker 3: just tautomac coming off the injuries that he is. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw flashes at times and which the door, We

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Speaker 3: saw flashes at times, but we also saw, you know,

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Speaker 3: some good and some not so good. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's nobody that's just going to be handed that job.

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Speaker 3: And so you are going to have a competition. And

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Speaker 3: my guess is there will be somebody in this competition

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Speaker 3: that we don't know about currently, right, It would just

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Speaker 3: feels like it makes sense that they will add somebody

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Speaker 3: to this room as it goes forward.

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Speaker 2: What that looks like? Who I have no idea. Well,

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Speaker 2: people are throwing stuff at the wall. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: had something this from Seth Walder today on ESPN that

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Speaker 2: has had Kyler playing for US projected twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: starter Cleveland browns Kyler Murray. So you know, who knows

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Speaker 2: what could happen here? And that's that's the one thing

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Speaker 2: that is is a little one thing I'm interested in.

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Speaker 2: By the time this week is over and you have

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Speaker 2: a full kind of week here. I'm very curious to see,

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Speaker 2: like how that free agent trade cut quarterback availability looks like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that to me is going to be

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Speaker 2: pretty fascinating. Absolutely, you know, what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: How big is that? You know, how robust is that market?

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Speaker 2: Is that market something that do we have some answers

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Speaker 2: to that that are ha opening now, like what's the

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Speaker 2: first domino that has to fall on that? Which actually

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Speaker 2: makes our guests who's walking on with us here, Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Sole like, your timing is good, my friend from ESPN.

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Speaker 2: It's great to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate mister the good to see, good to

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Speaker 3: see against it.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about, you know, we were talking

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Speaker 2: about some of the comments Dodd Mounkin made it you know,

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Speaker 2: open competition and all of that to Shaun and Shaduer

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Speaker 2: and all of that, and then kind of dovetail into

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Speaker 2: a conversation about the quarterbacks on NFL rosters who could

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Speaker 2: become available. We know the ones that aren't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: some of the leak's gonna be at the top of that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, how do the Arizona Cardinals eradicate themselves

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Speaker 2: from Kyler? What does that look like? What happens in

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Speaker 2: Miami with Tua. What do you sense as we are

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Speaker 2: here at Combine Week, how these things are going to

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Speaker 2: kind of shake out.

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Speaker 7: I think both are going end up being released, which

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Speaker 7: Kyler's capet is pretty big, but I think he's gonna

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Speaker 7: end up being released to his capt is enormous. It'll

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Speaker 7: be the biggest dead capit you know, over over multiple

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Speaker 7: years that we've seen taken in the NFL. But I

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Speaker 7: just don't think that they're going to see enough trade

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Speaker 7: interest to warrant moving the guys in that perspective, right,

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Speaker 7: Because one of the things we have to remamber is

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Speaker 7: that I'm the Cardinals general manager. I come to ownership

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Speaker 7: and I say, hey, we've going to offer you know,

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Speaker 7: Kyler on the table. We have to eat some of

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Speaker 7: the salary, but we get a six round pick. Even

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Speaker 7: if that's good business, the owner doesn't want to do that.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't want to draft the guy first overall sign

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Speaker 7: of a big deal in the trade a first six

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Speaker 7: round pick. They'd rather just cut him right. There's like

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Speaker 7: less egg on your face in that way than if

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Speaker 7: you go and you get the dirt the day three pick,

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Speaker 7: while you're also taking on thirty million more in salary,

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Speaker 7: and so we'll see my expectations there is they're both

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Speaker 7: cut when they get released. Because of the way the

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Speaker 7: contract structure works, you can then sign them on minimum

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Speaker 7: style of deals, and the Cardinals and the Dolphins end

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Speaker 7: up paying out their salary instead out of that dead cap,

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Speaker 7: and so they become guys who can kind of pick

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Speaker 7: their spots.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 7: It's less like a bidding war like it might be

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Speaker 7: with Malik Willis and more of a you know, situational

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Speaker 7: you know, where do they want to end up? Then

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Speaker 7: what's the best environment for them? And that's where I

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Speaker 7: think the Browns have I think a challenge relative to

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Speaker 7: some of these other teams right where I think the

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Speaker 7: end of the Steelers get to point to a DK

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Speaker 7: Metcalf and to their offensive line, and the Vikings get

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Speaker 7: to point to their offensive line and justin Jefferson and say,

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Speaker 7: you know, look at our environment. We can develop a

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Speaker 7: quarterback here. And the Browns are going to have you know,

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Speaker 7: potentially five new starters on the offensive line. And that's

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Speaker 7: a harder sell for saying, hey, you're gonna be able

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Speaker 7: to rehabilitate your career here, because the offensive nucleus isn't

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Speaker 7: nearly as well known. So that's the challenge for Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Is Kyler regarded as you know, you Malik Willis, it's

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Speaker 3: as the top free agent obviously? Is Are those two

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Speaker 3: kind of the the two that really you feel like

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Speaker 3: could move the needle if you got them and got

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Speaker 3: the best out of them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I would put Kyler comfortably above that with

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Speaker 7: Malik just because you know, Malik man, it's looked good.

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Speaker 7: When it looked good, He's started six games, right in

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Speaker 7: four years, right. I mean, we have to emphasize here,

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Speaker 7: this is an extremely low number of starts, a small sample.

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Speaker 7: We have to evaluate. If you go and you look

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Speaker 7: at the history of guys who were drafted, you know,

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Speaker 7: first three rounds, start a fewer than ten games, but

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Speaker 7: then signed a big second contract, there's not a lot

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Speaker 7: of guys and it's not a good history. It's Kevin

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Speaker 7: Cobb with the Cardinals. You know, that contract lasted like

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Speaker 7: two years Broncos while with the Texans Browns fans know

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Speaker 7: all about how that contract varuing, right. And then it's

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Speaker 7: Jimmy Garoppolo who Jimmy Groppolo critically got traded to the

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Speaker 7: forty nine ers and then played a few games and

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Speaker 7: then signed his deal, so they at least had seen

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Speaker 7: him in the offense. But even then, you know, they

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Speaker 7: made the highest pick quarterback in football, and I think

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Speaker 7: that while they obviously got to attend a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 7: still we all kind of knew the score on Jimmy

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Speaker 7: what he was for that offense. And so Malik, with

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Speaker 7: this few starts, you are really in uncharted waters. I

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Speaker 7: think Kyler, who you know, this is the lowest Kyler

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Speaker 7: Stock has been. The Cardinals are moving on, but still

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Speaker 7: Kyler is a player who can be impactful outside of structure.

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Speaker 7: We've seen him work really well in structure for some

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Speaker 7: of these spreading collegiate style offenses under Cliff Kingsbury, which

876
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 7: we know Tom Monkin's got some college background to him

877
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: and can you do some of that rpo stuff he

878
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 7: coached for Lamar, So there's some similar quarterback run stuff there.

879
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 9: Kyler.

880
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 7: To me, we're all like, this is the lowest and

881
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 7: Stock has been, but we are all underappreciating that he

882
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 7: can be like an impactful player. Relatives like, oh, he

883
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 7: gets lumped in with two in Malik, and I'm like,

884
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 7: I don't know, I feel like, there's this guy and

885
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 7: then there's the next year, which with those guys.

886
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: He wasn't that longo he's number one overall. So then

887
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: for him, what do you think that market looks like

888
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: once there is a release where what are the or

889
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: what would you be ear market pecking order there?

890
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 7: So my guess is going to be that he wants

891
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 7: to end up in Minnesota.

892
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 6: EAU.

893
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 7: Everybody wants end up in Minnesota, right. I would say

894
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 7: the prevailing thought in the league is that Kevin O'Connell

895
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 7: is an excellent quarterback developer, that they've done the right

896
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 7: to develop a quarterback, and they just had the wrong

897
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 7: dude in the building right with JJ And obviously he

898
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 7: had the injuries and there was a lot they went

899
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 7: down that way, and obviously Minnesota's had a very odd

900
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 7: fallout in terms of their front office. But in general,

901
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 7: I would say that the prevailing thought in the league

902
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 7: is Minnesota is the spot to be for quarterback development.

903
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 7: So to me, like that's where Kyler will want to

904
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 7: end up. Does O'Connell want a sub six foot quarterback

905
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 7: who is necessarily a pocket passer relative to how he's

906
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 7: been successful in his career, he had Kirk and he

907
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 7: had Sam. That's an interesting question, like I'm not sure

908
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 7: that Kyler is the sort of disposition and play style

909
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 7: that he's gonna like. So then you go to Pittsburgh

910
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 7: and you have to ask the same question about Mike McCarthy,

911
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 7: who coach Anon Rodgers and Dak and they haven't worked

912
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 7: as much with these mobile quarterbacks before. And so I

913
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 7: think Kyler's list, we'll start with those two spots because

914
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 7: I think those are the best environments for quarterback development

915
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 7: for the teams that we expect to really need quarterbacks.

916
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 7: After that, now it becomes a okay, you know, when

917
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 7: I go to Cleveland and I guaranteed to have the job,

918
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 7: versus if I end up in Miami, like guaranteed to

919
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: have the job over Quinnewers. Right, these guys are trying

920
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 7: to rehabilitate their careers, likely on you know, he's liking

921
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 7: to be on a one year deal, trying to then

922
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 7: you know, get a Sam Donald payday, get a Daniel

923
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: Jones paid off one good season, and so you have

924
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 7: to know you're gonna walk in and have seventeen games.

925
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 7: And again it's gonna be a challenge for Cleveland with

926
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 7: their you know, quarterback room loaded with guys who have played,

927
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 7: who have had investment from the front office at some

928
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 7: point before to some of these other teams that might

929
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 7: be clean slating and just giving Kyler, you know, full

930
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 7: ren over one season.

931
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's going to be fascinating because if you're

932
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: a team that is looking for a quarterback. Obviously for

933
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: the Browns you talked about Deshaun and Shadoor and Dylan Gabriel,

934
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: you'd need, you know, somebody to really take a leap

935
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: in house based on what you've seen in the past.

936
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: But it's a really a one quarterback draft. Now some

937
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: people are liking Ty Simpson, but Mendoz is going to

938
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: go one. There really aren't a whole lot of options

939
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: for teams that are looking for that guy. Now, maybe somebody,

940
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: you know. I think it would take at least a

941
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: two to get Mac Jones for the Niners to even

942
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: entertain the notion. And I agree, you saw him with Kyle,

943
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: and Kyle's been a good rehabilitator and also people play

944
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: really well with Kyle, and Kyle's a factor in that

945
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: you don't get to bring the hell with Mac Jones.

946
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: So it really is an interesting year and how teams

947
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: are gonna kind of approach it. So then you have

948
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: guys out there, like you know, Gino Smith will be

949
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: I guess available Kirk Cousins, who actually played pretty well

950
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: at the end of last year Available Atlanta. To me

951
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: is an interesting one because I don't think that you're saying, Okay,

952
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: we're just handing the keys over to Michael Pennix.

953
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 7: You're Stefanski has has very emphatically when given the opportunity

954
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 7: to bake Michael Penix's our guy, has not done so.

955
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 7: And he's not doing it in a way of like

956
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 7: this is an open competition, come blay quarterback, but he

957
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 7: like they've given him a chance to be like, hey,

958
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 7: you know, Michael Penix, move forward, and he is side

959
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 7: stepping it, which made pretty clearly they want to add

960
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 7: somebody else to the room.

961
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: Could that be an interesting spot for for Kyler?

962
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's actually yeah, because of what he did with

963
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 7: Baker and like, you know, there's some stylistic similarities there.

964
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 7: That's what I hadn't thought of before. But actually I

965
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 7: like that day a lot. I'm gonna ask the people

966
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 7: about that, but yeah, no, I very much. The tree

967
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 7: are barking up right now, which is, hey, after Mendoza,

968
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 7: there's very little guys in the draft. Who can we

969
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 7: go in and get kind of in the veteran market,

970
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 7: but then also in the trade market. That to me

971
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: is the big question right now because there's a lot

972
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 7: of guys who are quarterback two's on their team right now,

973
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 7: who have had opportunities, or they're young guys. There's still

974
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 7: cost control who just forever reason you Anthony Richardson lost

975
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 7: a job to Daniel Jones, but this is still you know,

976
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 7: high physical tools. He was an inexperienced player. Guys want

977
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 7: to develop him. Spencer Ratler had a nice September and

978
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 7: October with the Saints, Like he improved your one to

979
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 7: year two. It's just that new coaching staff had invested

980
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 7: in Tyler Shuck. He was their guy, and they put

981
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 7: him in there when he was ready. Tanner McKee has

982
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 7: looked good with the Eagles, will Levis with the Titans,

983
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 7: Like even if like Lewis at the Titans, like his film,

984
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 7: his starts, they were not that great. They were whatever.

985
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 7: The teams are gonna look at their pre draft right

986
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 7: on will On Will Levis, Yeah, and they're gonna look

987
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 7: at their draft grades that they have on Garrett andus

988
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 7: Meyer and Carson Back and some of these quarterback threes

989
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 7: and quarterback fours in this draft. They're gonna say, man,

990
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 7: we liked Lewis better two years ago, three years ago,

991
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 7: wh would spend fourth round pick on this guy? We

992
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 7: go trade the fourth round pick to the Titans get him,

993
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 7: and you don't have as many years of team control,

994
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 7: but you had a higher grade on that player. And

995
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 7: that's that's really the caliber of quarterback class we're dealing

996
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 7: with right now, where like quarterback three, quarterback four to

997
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 7: five in this group are really really low on teams boards.

998
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 7: And so that's gonna invite I think some trades for

999
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 7: some younger players over the course of the league, some

1000
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 7: dart throws and some guys who are QB two right now.

1001
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Well, and also, I mean, we just watched Donald, so

1002
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna want can we call it Donald?

1003
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1004
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Can we? I mean, so that's it's copy of that

1005
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: league striving for that.

1006
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: When you think of the wide receiver position in this draft,

1007
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: and we've had kind of varying views. We've talked to

1008
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: a lot of people already about what's just your take

1009
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: on the wide receivers in the draft.

1010
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I remember it was the Drake London classes

1011
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 7: that would have been like twenty twenty or something like that.

1012
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 7: Twenty one, I wrote a piece that was there's never

1013
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: gonna be a bad wide receiver class ever again. And

1014
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 7: I still feel that way for the rest of time.

1015
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 7: We've gotten so good at developing these receivers, right because

1016
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 7: so like twenty years ago, college programs could not throw

1017
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 7: the football, but there were no college quarterbacks. They couldn't.

1018
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 7: It was all running games. I'll QP run and then

1019
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 7: RPOs and seven on seven football really helped develop quarterbacks

1020
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 7: and receivers. And now every team, you know, you go

1021
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 7: to the coastal Carolina, you find two draftful receivers. You know,

1022
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 7: like there's just guys on guys on guys and different

1023
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 7: body types. Right, we have like five ten bucks seventy

1024
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 7: receivers now run around, you know, Zach Branch for Georgia

1025
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 7: scoring touchdowns. This guy's my size. Like we've expanded how

1026
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 7: many receivers really work at the college level and so

1027
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 7: the NFL level, And so this wide receiver class to

1028
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 7: me is a below average group relative to pass receiver classes.

1029
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 7: Like I think if you put the top of this

1030
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 7: class up against like, you know, twenty twenty four with

1031
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 7: Milik Neighbors and Roma Dunzemar Harrison, I think all of

1032
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 7: these guys get draft after those guys. But I don't

1033
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 7: think there's such thing as like a bad quarterback wide

1034
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 7: receiver class anymore. Excuse me. I'd like, there's always going

1035
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: to be a couple of speed threats, There's always going

1036
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 7: to be some size guys who went down the fields,

1037
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 7: always gonna be some slot options. Like we've just gotten

1038
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 7: too good at throwing the football to look at a

1039
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 7: class and be like, oh, there's nobody in this class

1040
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 7: like running back this year, very thin class, not a

1041
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 7: great class, tight end this year, not a great class.

1042
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 7: Wide receiver. There's like still fifteen twenty two, so you

1043
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 7: can impact the NFL level. We just we have too

1044
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 7: many bodies for there to be a wide receiver class

1045
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 7: that's objectively bad.

1046
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: Ever again, Yeah, and the thing that's tricky with that is,

1047
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: like you're sitting there at six and the one thing

1048
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: that we've got a consensus on here in two days

1049
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: is no one is trading out of twenty out of

1050
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: twenty seven yeah, no one's given up a twenty seven

1051
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: to one. That ain't happen, And so like it feels

1052
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: like that there's not gonna be a lot of movement

1053
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: maybe in this first round because of that. And so

1054
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: you're sitting there at six and maybe it's a blow.

1055
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: But if Carnell Tait or I don't know who.

1056
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: You have is your favorite, but if that guy's there and.

1057
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: You're the Browns and you desperately need weaponry, this is

1058
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: the question about team building that Andrew Burry's gonna have

1059
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: to answer.

1060
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 6: Yep.

1061
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 7: And I think that you have heard from a lot

1062
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 7: of a lot of like analysts like me say, oh,

1063
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 7: you know, you can build a wide receiver room in

1064
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 7: the middle rounds of the draft and get different body

1065
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: types and whatever. But I think Browns fans would be

1066
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 7: very realistically like, Okay, we've heard that for like six years,

1067
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 7: and we'd really like to just have like one guy

1068
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 7: who's very good at all three levels who's a wide

1069
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 7: receiver one. And so it's an understandable feeling to say,

1070
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 7: let's just go get Carnell Tate and solve the problem.

1071
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 7: I tase my number one. I think that he's an

1072
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 7: excellent wide receiver thing. It's gonna be a great pro

1073
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 7: He was wide receiver two for Ohio State behind Jeremiah Smith.

1074
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 7: Like he's a very solid wide receiver prospect. He's a

1075
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 7: great wide receiver prospect. But this is not a you know,

1076
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 7: slam the brakes, halt the team building. We need to

1077
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 7: go get this individual sort of a player to me.

1078
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 7: And so if he's on the board and Caleb Downs

1079
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 7: on the board, it's not a thought to man, I'm

1080
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 7: gonna get killed Downs. Kell Down's a blue chip player

1081
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 7: for me and Carnell Tait isn't. But you're at a

1082
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 7: point where, like you know, the modern NFL, if you're

1083
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 7: going to develop a quarterback and you have a guy

1084
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 7: who can catches the football, and then you need to

1085
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 7: have another one, and then you need to have another one,

1086
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 7: right like this is this is how we need to

1087
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 7: be able to spread the football out. And so you

1088
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 7: have your Harald fan in junior's so freaking good, and

1089
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 7: you have your like you know, Jerr Judy who can

1090
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 7: play a role for you. You do need any other

1091
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 7: player at wide receiver for the Browns who can be

1092
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 7: a three, three down player, right like you'd love for

1093
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 7: said Telliman to have taken that step, you didn't necessarily

1094
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 7: see it like you got to get this guy. And

1095
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 7: so if they invest that way at six, I'll say, oh, man,

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00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 7: you know, I wish they would have taken Downs or

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00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 7: Sonny Styles and Tony these other blue chip guys. But

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Speaker 7: I'll understand it. I understand it for sure.

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00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need Isaiah Bond to pop too, because he's

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00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: got some speed he's get into. So that could be

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00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: an eleven. All of a sudden, you're saying Tate, Judy

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00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: Bond fan and Judkins saying, Okay, that's that's somewhat interesting.

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00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: What about the trade market there, because I thought it

1104
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: was very interesting Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia side they said, no,

1105
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: AJ Brn's not a guarantee.

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00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 6: A J.

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: Brown's going to be an Eagle this year, So that

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00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: perks my ears up. DJ Moore is somebody that we've

1109
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: heard whispers are out, you know, maybe coming out of Chicago.

1110
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: How do you see that receiver trade market because those

1111
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: guys are more proven and have produced at a higher

1112
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: level in the NFL than maybe you project some of

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00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: these guys in this class.

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00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, AJ still is so good, right, I agree, and

1115
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 7: I think that a lot of AJ's bad film this

1116
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 7: year is the case of some disinterest and some frustration

1117
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 7: and some you know, personal choices as opposed to you know,

1118
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 7: athletic falloff. I do think he's be on his prime

1119
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 7: a little bit, but still, you know, two hundred twenty pound,

1120
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 7: the stowage of twenty pounds, it's you know, he's hard

1121
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 7: to tackle, he's hard to bring down, and so AJ,

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00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 7: I would expect if he lands on a new team,

1123
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 7: is going to be very motivated to make a point

1124
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 7: about it. The fact that he's still one of the best.

1125
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 7: So I think you're gonna get a couple good years

1126
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 7: of really good AJ Brown I that's still in him.

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00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 7: My guess is Eagles are gonna have to trade him

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00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 7: because he is going to cause a stink until he

1129
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 7: is traded, and and the way that that contract is structured,

1130
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 7: it's gonna cost a lot for them to trade him.

1131
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 7: They don't want to do it. He's still very talented player,

1132
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 7: but I think they're gonna, you know, kind of brass tacks.

1133
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 7: They're gonna have to do it. That trade, though, because

1134
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 7: of the way that deal is built, does not happen

1135
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 7: until July August, right because of when when first? Yeah,

1136
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 7: and what Roseman has these automatic kickers in for the

1137
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 7: restructure that all they all happen in like August, right

1138
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 7: after fifty three cut downs before the regular season starts.

1139
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 7: So they're gonna take this thing all the way to

1140
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 7: the margin, which means that if you want a J Brown,

1141
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 7: you have to go through the freezy and go through

1142
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 7: the draft thinking to yourself, all right, you know we're

1143
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 7: gonna go get AJ. And what are you gonna do

1144
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 7: is not build a receiver room like you know, walk

1145
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 7: into August with no major needs. So that's the tricky

1146
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 7: thing is that because that deals, that trade's not gonna

1147
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 7: get done until actually like in the summer, if not later,

1148
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 7: then you do have to have a plan B in

1149
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 7: place where there's gonna be more receiver if I can't

1150
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 7: get Aji, and now I'm gonna go try to get AJ.

1151
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 7: But I think it would be a good move for

1152
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 7: the Browns.

1153
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: Big did Benjamin, great talking you man, Thank you so

1154
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 2: much for the time.

1155
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 6: That was great.

1156
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

1157
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 7: Appreciate your call us.

1158
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: We'll have much more, including your head coach here Cleveland

1159
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: Browns Todd Mounkett on the other side of this quick

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00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: conversation with your head coach, Todd Monk, joined by the

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Speaker 2: Man of the hour, Todd Monk and good to see you, man,

1174
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: it's good to see you. What what has this been like? Uh,

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00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 2: you're one of thirty two. The whole league's here and

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00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: in terms of when you've come before and now as

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Speaker 2: the headman, well.

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Speaker 6: It's really cool. I mean there's no other way to

1179
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 6: put it. And obviously we talked about it earlier. You're

1180
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: in every meeting. Yeah, I mean, so you know, you

1181
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 6: don't just get the offensive players, you have the defensive

1182
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 6: players and any of the specialists. But it's been great.

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00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: When you come here. Is there stuff just like that

1184
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: head coaches have to do as well, They're like head

1185
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: coach meetings or anything like that that in addition to

1186
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: everything you're doing for the Browns.

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00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 11: Are they like, get all the coaches right now? Yeah, us,

1188
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 11: and I'm losing four and they have to do this now.

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00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 11: So other than that, not really, other than being in

1190
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 11: all of the meetings. Yeah, as far as I know,

1191
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 11: Peter will get me in the right spot though wherever

1192
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 11: I've got to get.

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Speaker 3: He always will. Are you enjoying We've talked to many

1194
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: times obviously, so it's kind of been a whirlwind. But

1195
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: now that you're away from that, other than these moments

1196
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: with us that you're now here into the podium, but

1197
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: just here to go kind of put this football team together.

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00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: You got your staff together, and now it's about finding

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00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: the right guys to be clean Browns.

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Speaker 6: No, it's exactly right. I anticipate within the next couple

1201
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 6: of days we'll have the staff finalized, be able to

1202
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 6: start up on Monday football, you know, talking football in

1203
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 6: the mornings and doing personnel in the afternoons. But no,

1204
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 6: I'm excited to build the roster together with Andrew. It's

1205
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 6: gonna be fun.

1206
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Speaker 2: You also have such a unique experience coaching that you

1207
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: were in the college game very recently. When you're at Georgia,

1208
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: you recruit the best players in the country, so some

1209
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: of those guys are kids that you probably had some

1210
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: relationships with from all those years ago. So like, in

1211
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Speaker 2: terms of your expertise at that level, I have to

1212
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: imagine you're seeing familiar names and faces from that time.

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Speaker 6: For sure, we're getting closer to where there's not as

1214
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 6: many players. I mean, obviously Carson Beck, who I had

1215
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 6: at Georgia for three years, I mean he's been in

1216
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: college football six years, right, and then the Oscar de Help,

1217
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 6: who's a tight end, was there. So there's a number

1218
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 6: of guys that you would have either recruited, Ty Simpson,

1219
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 6: nus Myer's yeah, you know kid, all those guys. So,

1220
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: but it's getting a little further and further away from

1221
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 6: when I was there. But no, it's been fun.

1222
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: We were talking earlier with with Glenn Cook about the

1223
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 3: change in now with nil and how you have guys

1224
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 3: that are going from you know, one school to another

1225
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: school to a third school, and we were saying that

1226
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 3: that maybe is helpful. Number One, you understand how guys

1227
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: are when they get paid, because right some of these guys,

1228
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: especially at the big programs, are gonna make They can

1229
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: make seven figures, you know in college. But to you

1230
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: get a sense of how quickly can somebody come into

1231
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: a new scheme, because you're geting guys who play three

1232
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: schemes in three years now, how quick can they come

1233
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: to a new scheme and maybe adapt to what we

1234
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: want to do here.

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Speaker 6: Sure, I think there's a part of that, but ultimately

1236
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 6: it does come down do they love football? Yep? I

1237
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 6: mean are they about the money or are they about football?

1238
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 6: It's all part of it, but you've got to really

1239
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 6: enjoy playing the game. Eventually, you know you're gonna get paid,

1240
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 6: but you know you only have such a short window

1241
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 6: to be at your best, and the money is a

1242
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 6: byproduct of how you play. I mean, it's not given

1243
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 6: to you anymore the way the draft is. You make

1244
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 6: good money early, but it's getting that second contract, possibly

1245
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: a third contract, and the only way you get there

1246
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 6: is by being an elite football player.

1247
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: How do you like to assess someone's love of football?

1248
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 6: It's not really how I assess it. When it's someone

1249
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 6: for the draft, it's what others say about them. I mean,

1250
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 6: we can have a twenty minute meeting and try to

1251
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: drill down how they're wired. But ultimately, and I've said

1252
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: this many times, You've got to vet a number of

1253
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 6: people that are around them every day. What are they

1254
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: like every day? What do they like around their teammates?

1255
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 6: What kind of work do they put in? I say

1256
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 6: it all the time. I mean, if you want to

1257
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 6: find out what kind of husband I am, you have

1258
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 6: to ask my wife? Yeah, I mean on the right days, right,

1259
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 6: but I could say whatever the hell I felt like saying,

1260
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 6: and you know, or what kind of father I am?

1261
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: You have to ask my son. I mean that's you

1262
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 6: got to drill down to the people that have been

1263
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 6: around them all the time to really find out what

1264
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: their core makeup is.

1265
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: Are there non negotiables for you as you go to

1266
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: putting this team together through free agency, draft, everything, as

1267
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: you would ab or putting this stuff together. Are there

1268
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: certain characteristics that for you, if you don't have this

1269
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: non negotiable, can't be a Cleveland Brown.

1270
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say that. I don't think you would take

1271
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 6: anybody off the board that's a non negotiable down there's

1272
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 6: there's flags, and there's red flags. Sure, I mean, and

1273
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 6: you just have to measure, you know, the value of

1274
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 6: that player based on the flags of the red flags

1275
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 6: that have popped up. And all you have to do

1276
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 6: is go back to years ago and it's Randy Moss, right, Yeah,

1277
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 6: and there were flags and you don't want to go

1278
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 6: beyond that. I'm sure there were teams that took him

1279
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 6: off the board and have regretted it ever since. So

1280
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 6: I don't think there's there's ever a player that you

1281
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 6: wouldn't consider. There's just level as we said, and there's

1282
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 6: not non negotiables, but there's certainly flags.

1283
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: For you, as you said to kind of you're in

1284
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: all the meetings, now, have you when's the last time

1285
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: you scouted defensive players or tried to get a conception,

1286
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, conceptualize in your mind if this is a

1287
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: defensive player you wanted on your roster.

1288
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 6: It's interesting because even in college It used to be

1289
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 6: you recruited every position. You had an area, you recruited

1290
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 6: all the positions. But as as it went further along

1291
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 6: with social media recruiting services, when I got back to Georgia,

1292
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 6: you just recruited your position. And when I was there

1293
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 6: as a coordinator, I recruited quarterbacks and offensive personnel. I

1294
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 6: had an area, but it was local, so there wasn't

1295
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 6: a lot of You weren't watching defensive film, you weren't

1296
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 6: evaluating defensive players. But luckily, growing up or in the

1297
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 6: profession in college and you had areas a long time ago.

1298
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 6: You had to learn how to evaluate all position groups

1299
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 6: and be able to bring them to the table of

1300
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 6: players that you'd recommend.

1301
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: I'd imagine through your lens as an offensive coordinator, there

1302
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: are certain things about defensive players at each position that

1303
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 3: annoyed you or that made you thought life more difficult.

1304
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: I would think that would be a good that's kind

1305
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: of a good launching starting off point right, jumping off

1306
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: point of Yeah, when ed dressers can do this, that

1307
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: gave our offense a lot of problems. So I would

1308
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: imagine they give other people's offenses a lot of problems.

1309
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 6: Now that's for sure, it's just where you fall short

1310
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 6: a little bit. Is the comparison. How do you compare

1311
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 6: one player from a few years ago to another. Sure,

1312
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 6: I'll give an example, like when I was at Georgia,

1313
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 6: I thought our best player in twenty I think it

1314
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 6: was twenty twenty two is n Kobe Dean or twenty

1315
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 6: twenty one, and he was probably arguably our best defensive player,

1316
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 6: our best leader. Not does that equate to the NFL?

1317
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 6: Does his game translate? Just like maybe a high school

1318
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 6: player that you're recruiting to come to Georgia, maybe the

1319
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 6: best offensive lineman at school A might be this twenty

1320
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 6: five pounds tough, loves football, but his measurable skill set

1321
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 6: does not translate. So you have to filter through that

1322
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: a little bit as to what their measurable skill sets

1323
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 6: are and how that translates.

1324
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: No details needed necessarily, But just as you guys are

1325
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: putting together this offseason plan and now we're kind of

1326
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: all here, all the football's here, staffs here, everybody's meeting.

1327
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: Then you got the free agency, you got all the

1328
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: way that all of this goes out, as what is

1329
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: that process like with you and a B in terms

1330
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: of laying out that timeline the roster build here over

1331
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: the next two months.

1332
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 6: Well, it's already started. I mean that's really besides getting

1333
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 6: a staff together, it now becomes the main focus is

1334
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 6: our roster, with actually football schematically being secondary. It's a

1335
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 6: part of it, but the most important part is putting

1336
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 6: the pieces in place to give us the best chance

1337
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 6: to win every Sunday. And it starts with your players.

1338
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 6: I said that when I got the job, is it

1339
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 6: starts with the players. I took the job because of players,

1340
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 6: and it's hard to win without talent, and so I'm

1341
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 6: looking forward to helping us build that roster, be it

1342
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 6: through free agency or the draft.

1343
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: Aby talked about this yesterday at the podium. Dom Capers,

1344
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 3: why was it important for you to bring in somebody

1345
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 3: who's been a head coach in the league, senior defensive assistant.

1346
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: You're a first time head coach in the NFL. Obviously

1347
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 3: he coached at Southern Miss. You know, Rudy is your

1348
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: defense coordinator for a time. He's been a defense corniator.

1349
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: Why it was important to bring somebody like dom Capers in. Well,

1350
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 3: we're excited to bring Tom in.

1351
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: I think he adds everybody knows his background and it's

1352
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 6: easy to if you don't look it up. So but

1353
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 6: I thought it was really important for first off, for Rudy.

1354
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 6: Rudy had been with him previously, felt very comfortable with

1355
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 6: him what he would bring to the table in terms

1356
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 6: of a first time defensive coordinator and play caller. And

1357
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 6: then I also thought it'd be an advantage for myself

1358
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 6: being a first time head coach. Hey be able to

1359
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 6: run some things by him, and so I think we

1360
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 6: couldn't be lucky to have him with us and starting

1361
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 6: on Monday.

1362
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: It's just so cool to be in this spot and

1363
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: to be over here at the combine. And I imagine

1364
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: you know, obviously this was why you got back into it,

1365
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: why in to the Ravens, to get this opportunity to

1366
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: be a head coach in the NFL. Now you're one

1367
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: of thirty two, and now you're this that you're on

1368
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: this treadmill that's going full speed ahead headed towards the draft.

1369
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: It's it's got to be in a way, everything you've

1370
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: always dreamed of to be able to be in this spot.

1371
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: And it's it's got to be so cool.

1372
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 6: Oh it is, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, you got

1373
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 6: to remind yourself a little bit.

1374
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: Have you had your one of thirty two? Have you

1375
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: had that?

1376
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 5: No?

1377
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: I feel I think I told.

1378
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 6: John Harbaugh that when we were talking and I wasn't

1379
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 6: going to be going to the Giants with him and I,

1380
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 6: you know, we had a great conversation. I said, I

1381
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 6: think when it will really hit me is when we're

1382
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 6: at the owners meeting or whatever the hell that is

1383
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 6: and they take the picture, make sure that the coaches

1384
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 6: to where you know you're actually one of the thirty two.

1385
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 6: Everything you've worked for. To me, I think that's that's

1386
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 6: what it will hit you. But right now, you're you're

1387
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 6: so immersed in the day to day of getting a

1388
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 6: staff together, getting ready for free agency in the draft

1389
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 6: that it there's no time to even think about it.

1390
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 6: It's like any job that you take it they're all

1391
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 6: cool as hell, whether it's my first job at Grand

1392
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 6: Valley State, and once you get started, you don't even

1393
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 6: have time to think about, man, I'm a college football coach,

1394
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 6: or your first Division one coaching job, you're like, holy cow,

1395
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 6: I'm in Division one football. Or then you become a

1396
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 6: head coach at Southern Miss or you get to the

1397
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 6: NFL for the first time. Every one of those steps,

1398
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 6: just like in life, are really cool, but you don't

1399
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 6: have a time to even appreciate it till you're done.

1400
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 6: And like anything in life.

1401
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: You've been coaching thirty seven years when you come here.

1402
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: This is everybody in the NFL world, you know, descends

1403
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: on Indianapolis for this combine what's been like just kind

1404
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: of walking around seeing your peers and seeing the guys

1405
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: that you've either coached with at some point and their

1406
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: reaction to you doing this, Because I can tell you

1407
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: we go around and we connect with a lot of

1408
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: people and people are pumped for you. You've made obviously

1409
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: a very good impression on a lot of people around

1410
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: this league.

1411
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, it's really cool how big this

1412
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 6: has gotten. I mean, first of all, staffs, staffs, staffs

1413
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 6: have gotten bigger. Yep, Scouting departments have gotten bigger, Media

1414
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 6: departments have gotten bigger. This has grown to where it's

1415
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 6: it's you can't even I mean, it's just unbelievable the

1416
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 6: amount of attention that it gets in the NFL does

1417
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 6: a great job of spreading out the year. Yeah, like

1418
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 6: there's something every month. I mean, it's ingenious, whether it's

1419
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 6: the super Bowl, the Pro Bowl, and then you get

1420
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 6: into what it would be is like the combine. Then

1421
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 6: it's free agency, then it's the draft, then it's OTAs that,

1422
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 6: it's the schedule comes out. It's like something every month.

1423
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: Oh that keeps you glueding. Thereason season.

1424
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 6: Eventually when playing twenty eight games and you'll have two

1425
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 6: weeks off where we playing every weekend. There'll be two seasons, right,

1426
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 6: and they'll meet somewhere in between. So but it's it's

1427
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 6: really cool.

1428
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And it's one of those things that

1429
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: there will be all these touchdowns that happened to be

1430
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: the first combine, all these things that happened, and then

1431
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: all of the work has to happen too. And the

1432
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: other thing that is really cool is you talk about

1433
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: how big all of this gotten. Small world though you

1434
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: think of the familiar faces that you see, staffs, guys

1435
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: you worked with that John Harbassy and him. I saw

1436
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: him yesterday and Giants geared, this is crazy, man, how

1437
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: small the world can be too.

1438
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 6: No, if you'd asked me a year ago that he'd

1439
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 6: be the head coach of the Giants and I was

1440
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 6: going to be the head coach of the Browns, I mean,

1441
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 6: there's no chance in hell I wouldn't be. I don't

1442
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 6: even know what the fan duel, not that I gamble,

1443
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 6: I can't say that. I don't know what the fan duel.

1444
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 6: Odds would have been that Jesse Minner would be the

1445
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 6: head coach of the Ravens, John Harball being the Giants,

1446
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 6: and Todd Muggins gonna be the head coach of the Browns.

1447
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 6: Throw ten bucks on that. Someone can retire on a

1448
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 6: nice parlay. It's a hell of a parlay. I mean,

1449
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 6: I wouldn't, But that's that's that's what we do, right.

1450
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 6: We'ren't a profession where results are expected and and that's

1451
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 6: the fun of it. That that's the fun of it,

1452
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 6: the challenge of it. And I'm excited.

1453
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 3: What are you hoping when you get back in the

1454
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 3: car head back to Cleveland, What are you hoping to

1455
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: have accomplished this week in India? Other than eating some

1456
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: elmos cock, sir?

1457
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 6: I think, I think as much as anything, when we

1458
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 6: get back, which is probably a couple of the most

1459
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 6: important items will be one. The medical results will get

1460
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 6: back on the players right that are here. That will

1461
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 6: give you a little bit more clarity in terms of

1462
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 6: where you see them from a physical standpoint. I think

1463
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 6: that's because the film is what the film is. That's yeah,

1464
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 6: and it's a twenty minute meeting and they go out

1465
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 6: there in shorts and run around, But it's really the

1466
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 6: film is what matters most. Okay, to me, that's the

1467
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 6: most because you get the lay of the land in

1468
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 6: terms of sure free agency, you get to figure out

1469
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 6: the medical part pieces, which is all you're trying to

1470
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 6: do is to shrink Let's just talk about the draft

1471
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 6: and free agency. You're just trying to shrink the margin

1472
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 6: for air. Yep. You're never going to be perfect. You

1473
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: never know for sure. You're just trying to do as

1474
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 6: much research as you can. And then whether it's free

1475
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 6: agency or whether it's the draft, let it rip, I mean,

1476
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 6: and then we got to develop the hell out of

1477
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 6: them and utilize their skill set.

1478
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: Do you have any traditions when you come to Indy,

1479
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: Like you go to Elmo's the Cocktail?

1480
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 6: Actually crazy enough. I was like looking around, like could

1481
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 6: I fit dinner in there somewhere? Tonight? Travis Switzer and

1482
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 6: I gotta go to Saint Elmo's dinner for two lovely

1483
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 6: couple at for a shrimp cocktail. A lot of the

1484
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 6: traditions have ended since I stopped drinking. I mean, once

1485
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 6: you stop drinking, some of the traditions and you know, yeah,

1486
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 6: I'm tired. I'm tired by nine or ten o'clock and

1487
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 6: I'm ready for bed, and I mean, people better get

1488
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 6: me early. I don't say that because of old age,

1489
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 6: Like I'm not trying to say because my ass is old.

1490
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 6: I'm just saying because because I don't drink anymore. And

1491
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 6: then the nights go by faster, it's like it used

1492
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 6: to be, you know, and like if you if you

1493
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 6: go for a happy hour, right sure, yeah, yeah, five o'clock,

1494
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 6: you're sitting there and the knight can go by so

1495
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 6: fast if you're drinking, ye oh yeah. It just hey,

1496
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 6: you're buying rounds, you're having fun, you're telling stories. Hell,

1497
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 6: there's only so many diet coachs you can drink. There's

1498
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 6: so many waters. It's like eight or eight thirty. You're like,

1499
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 6: you're already, and nobody seems as much fun anymore, you

1500
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. My wife's not as much fun.

1501
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 6: People around are as much fun. They seem kind of goofy.

1502
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 6: I'm like, God, was I like that good times. It

1503
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 6: is great though, seeing people. I still say that, take

1504
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 6: all that out of it. It's the last thing we

1505
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 6: have as an organization that's close to a convention. Nobody

1506
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 6: really goes as senior ball anymore. And I mean as

1507
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 6: much as we enjoy the competitive nature of the sport

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Speaker 6: and the tactical part of it, to me, still life

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 6: is about relationships. It's about people. It's like seeing you

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Speaker 6: before the game. It's like seeing players. It's like seeing

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Speaker 6: guys you've coached with and going to lunch and just

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Speaker 6: seeing them. And to me, that's what makes life worth

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Speaker 6: living is people. And that's what's really cool about is

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 6: getting to see people.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is dang cool to see that's right, Cleveland

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01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: brown So I appreciate you. To see you, buddy, great

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: to see you. It's just great. It's great seeing him.

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: This was Todd munkin day at the combine. So fun,

1519
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: so fun. Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 6: It's just.

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Speaker 3: He's so relatable because he's just a real guy who

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: happens to be a darn good football coach and is

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01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 3: now the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. And I

1524
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 3: think that's what is exciting as we go through this

1525
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: and there are gonna be good times, there are gonna

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: be bad times, be upstowns, there's adversarias. Seasons are long,

1527
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: and you know, I could it turn around in one year. Absolutely.

1528
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: You see that happen all the time in the NFL.

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: That's gonna take very good quarterback play and you know

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: Deshaun Orshador or Dylan to really do that. But you know,

1531
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: you're turning a tanker out in the middle of the ocean,

1532
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: right that's it. It takes some time, but once you

1533
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: get the momentum going, it can it can happen a

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: lot quicker. And I think when you look at this,

1535
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: what he's going to do and what you hope that

1536
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do is get the

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01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 3: most out of our offense. And you know, I was

1538
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 3: talking with a lot of people from around the league

1539
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: last night or it's like, listen, if you guys can

1540
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: just be a top half of the league off I'm

1541
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 3: talking fifteen sixteen. Yeah, you guys can win a lot

1542
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: of games. You can care sure for this division. So

1543
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: that's really that's all. That's where we're trying to get.

1544
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: You want to get obviously better than that. And better

1545
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: than that every year going on. But that's where you're

1546
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: trying to get it. And Todd Bunkin's going to be

1547
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: the guy to hopefully lead us there.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the relatability part of it. He has worked

1549
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: for this only his whole life, only as today was

1550
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 2: the day where he got to be one of thirty

1551
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: two and look around and see people and it's it's cool, man.

1552
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: He's an easy route.

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 6: I just liked it.

1554
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm excited that the owners meeting when I

1555
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 3: sit in the picture, that's what. It's a great line.

1556
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 3: That's going to be real.

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: That was a great line. Man. He's put in the work.

1558
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 2: One of the guys who a lot of the folks

1559
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: over here rely on from an evaluation standpoint is our

1560
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: great friend Dane Brugler.

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 9: He will join us.

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: Coming up next. You listen to Cleveland Browns Dailey. We're

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,600
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Speaker 3: Here in Indianapolis. All right, back on the combine here

1571
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. So you're pointing at me.

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: That means go.

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01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 5: I was telling you like he asked, are you ready?

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01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: I didn't hear that.

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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I noticed.

1576
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: Well, how would I have heard?

1577
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: He asked you down the line, are you ready? It's unbelievable,

1578
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 4: Thank you Heaven. You were fine, Kevin, you were fine.

1579
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't hear. I don't hear. Maybe is that n

1580
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: C in my ear? Yes, did you say, oh you're Yeah?

1581
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 6: I got you. Yeah, that was that return.

1582
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 5: Your return wasn't up loud enough? Oh, because earlier we

1583
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 5: blew your ear drums out.

1584
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 6: I don't.

1585
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying exonerated, exonerated.

1586
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 5: I'm not exonerating.

1587
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm exonerated.

1588
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 3: Earlier we caught up with Dame Brugler. This is always

1589
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 3: one of the treats of the combine. Take a listen.

1590
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, there are certain things you have to do when

1591
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: you get to Indianapolis in the NFL scouting Combine're going

1592
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: to have to go to sant Almost probably want to

1593
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: do that, might want to go to Prime, might want

1594
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: to go to Harry and any those type of things.

1595
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: You might want to complain about the roads in Indiana.

1596
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: That's something I like to do. But you must talk

1597
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: to Dane Brugler and he joins us now, the author

1598
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 2: of the Beast and the best in the business. I

1599
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: can't believe we're here again, buddy, you blink and here

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: we are.

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 10: It Really it felt like just a couple of weeks ago.

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01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 8: We were here a year ago talking about all the

1603
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 8: players and Shodor Sanders and all you know, and here

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01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 8: we are a year later. How much it changed? All

1605
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 8: the things that have happened with this organization. Obviously new

1606
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 8: coaching staff. You just kind of wonder what direction they're

1607
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 8: going to head in this offseason at certain positions.

1608
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 10: So yeah, there's there's a lot that we need to

1609
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 10: figure out.

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: The other thing that's prett crazy you mentioned that change

1612
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: is I remember a year ago at this time, everybody's saying,

1613
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: wait till twenty twenty six. On quarterbacks, let me tell

1614
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: you about.

1615
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 6: Here we are.

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about it except where it's that

1617
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: it's good it's like Mendoza. It's amazing though, Like you

1618
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: have this in the in your head. Get to twenty six,

1619
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be Club Nick and Aler and all

1620
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 2: these guys are going to be in there. And now

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01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: none of those guys are up there. Mendoza is going

1622
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: to likely going to go. It's not even mentioned. It

1623
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: just tells you, like how much this game and perception

1624
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: of players can change any and.

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 10: And look, these things are cyclical usually.

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 8: So you know, we had the off year, you know,

1627
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 8: last year where a lot of teams saw it as

1628
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 8: a one quarterback draft, cam or cam Ward. He's gonna

1629
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 8: be number one over overall pick. And so it's like, Okay,

1630
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 8: this year will be different. And really it was Arch

1631
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 8: Manning Drew Aller. I think those two guys, you know,

1632
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 8: thinking about what they could be. And I still think

1633
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 8: of Arch if you would have declare it, I think

1634
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 8: he's going number one in this draft. Maybe maybe the

1635
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 8: way Mendoza finished, it'd at least be a discussion at one.

1636
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 8: But now the way things played out, Manning's going back

1637
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 8: to school. Aler had the injury and he wasn't playing

1638
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 8: great before that injury happened, and unfortunately for him, he

1639
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 8: didn't have the second half to his senior year to

1640
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 8: kind of write the ship. And you know he's Brown

1641
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 8: season ticket holder, so you know you hate that for him.

1642
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 8: I think his dog's name is Ozzie. I think after

1643
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 8: Ozzie knew him. So you know, this quarterback class didn't

1644
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 8: really play out the way we thought.

1645
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 3: By the way, Gibbe is not does not care if

1646
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: people are Brown's fans or not. So don't tell Gibbe

1647
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: all these facts. He almost punched it at dinner last night.

1648
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 3: Violence very aggressive. I mean, I'll try to work. I

1649
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: thought it was I'll try to work in a bowling

1650
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: green fact, but they just don't have players. So this

1651
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: quarter has been called Harold fan is gone. But yeah,

1652
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 3: this is uh, we're looking at this draft. It's kind

1653
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 3: of a one quarterback draft, and it's a it's a

1654
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 3: very late draft for quarterbacks and running backs, which is rare.

1655
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: Usually sometimes it's you know, in one position not the other,

1656
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 3: but it's for both quarterback and running back to be

1657
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: light Like right now, in my top one hundred, I

1658
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 3: only have six combined at those two positions, three each.

1659
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 3: We've never seen fewer than double digits combined at those

1660
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: two positions. Draft at top one hundred since eighty five,

1661
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: you know, before I was born. So it's something where

1662
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: it's just a unique draft where and every draft has

1663
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: its own identity. And one of the talking points, one

1664
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: of the themes of this draft is how light it

1665
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: is a quarterback and running back, especially at the top.

1666
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 3: Let's talk about because you know this team very well,

1667
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 3: and you talked about the changes and what influence, and

1668
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: I think there will be substantial influence that Todd Munkin has.

1669
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,560
Speaker 3: Certainly it's been clearly stave. The Browns are gonna be

1670
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: looking at offense early in this draft, which is music

1671
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: to our ears. We've been banging that drum for quite

1672
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 3: some time. Weapons weapons, weapons, weapons. When you look at

1673
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 3: it and kind of put your GM hat on for

1674
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: the Browns. And as you see this draft, let's just

1675
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 3: talk strategy. Yeah, you got six, twenty four to thirty nine.

1676
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 3: How would you want to allocate those picks? Let's say,

1677
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 3: and I think we're likely living in an offensive line

1678
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 3: receiver world. But as you see kind of the clusters

1679
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 3: and the clumps in the tiers, how would you be

1680
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 3: thinking about six, then twenty four, then thirty nine.

1681
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 8: If I'm taking a wide receiver at six, you better

1682
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 8: love him. You better believe he is going to be

1683
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 8: your number one guy moving forward, because there's no guarantee

1684
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 8: one of those tackles is going to be there at

1685
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 8: twenty four. So if I'm okay taking receiver at six,

1686
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 8: you just better have conviction that this is going to

1687
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 8: be a game changer for us.

1688
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: You have the conviction about any receiver in this draft.

1689
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 8: Not to the level of you know, Malik Neighbors and

1690
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 8: you know some of these other receivers we've seen come

1691
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 8: out in the past, where this is clearly a guy,

1692
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 8: This clearly transforms our offense. Now, I really like Cardinal

1693
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 8: Tate from Ohio State. I think that he brings in

1694
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 8: a really interesting balance of both precision in terms of

1695
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 8: his route running, but also a my ball mentality where

1696
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 8: he can stretch it out and go win down the field.

1697
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 8: He's what twelve of fourteen on contested catches this year,

1698
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 8: like just unbelievable, nine catches of forty plus yards just

1699
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 8: a if he was never the number one on his team,

1700
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 8: you know, he was behind JJ Smith and make a

1701
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 8: Buka last year and all that. So Tate a big

1702
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 8: believer in An interesting part of this now is so

1703
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 8: I reported last night Jordan Tyson, wide receiver Arizona State

1704
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 8: not gonna be doing anything here at the Combine, right,

1705
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 8: So that hamstring still bothering him. What's the concern with

1706
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 8: because the tape shows a top ten to twelve pick

1707
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 8: in this draft. But what's the worry. It's the durability.

1708
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 8: Can he stay healthy and so not being able to

1709
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 8: be here at the combine and give full workout, testing

1710
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 8: positional stuff, that's that's something that could affect his draft stock.

1711
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 8: And now we'll be able to do it the pro day,

1712
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 8: that'll be the next question. And if he's not, all

1713
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 8: of a sudden while that's unforse if you're a team

1714
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 8: like the Brown speaking at twenty four, you're like, okay,

1715
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 8: I mean that's not the worst thing. Maybe we have

1716
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 8: a chance at him now at twenty four, where if

1717
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 8: he was fully healthy, we wouldn't because again, the biggest

1718
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 8: question with him is just the durability. He missed I

1719
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 8: think thirty four percent of his team's games the last

1720
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 8: four years. So it's as long as your medical team

1721
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 8: gives you two thumbs up and says, look, it's the

1722
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 8: hamstring's a little tender right now. The knee from his

1723
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 8: knee injury a couple of years ago is okay as

1724
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 8: long as the medical team gives you two thumbs up.

1725
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 8: I think that you're looking at Jordan Tyson as a

1726
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 8: possibility now at twenty four and someone that maybe you

1727
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 8: can You thought you'd have to get him at six.

1728
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 8: Now you might be able to get him a little

1729
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 8: bit later.

1730
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 3: Just to tie the bow on Tate. Where do you

1731
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: see Tate relative to Ted McMillan Last year?

1732
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 8: I hired great on McMillan, so just behind him, not

1733
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 8: a huge discrepancy, but you know, McMillan was just a

1734
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 8: little more fluid and limber and the way that he

1735
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 8: got open where Tate has a little bit of that.

1736
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 8: But I'm just encouraged by the steps he took this

1737
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 8: year as a more technically sound route runner. The steps,

1738
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 8: everything has a purpose, the way he can snap out

1739
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 8: of his brakes. He might be the best sideline receiver

1740
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 8: I've scattered in a long time, and I think it's

1741
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 8: a really underrated skill because not only the balance and

1742
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 8: awareness to walk that fine line across the white, but

1743
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 8: then also to he's got the length where he's gonna

1744
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 8: pull those balls back in bounds, and he did it

1745
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 8: repeatedly on his Ohio State tape. So Tate is a

1746
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 8: guy that if you take him at number six, I

1747
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 8: don't think anybody's blinking an eye, and you know, thinking

1748
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 8: it maybe a little too early. It's more a question

1749
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 8: of do you feel good about one of those tackles

1750
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 8: being there for you at twenty four?

1751
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: What is the gap for you between those three receivers

1752
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: and then Boston CONCEPSI on those guys who most people

1753
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 2: have later. How big is that gap?

1754
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 8: I think it's a tear drop, but not like a

1755
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 8: massive like okay, we got a we're going from starters

1756
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 8: to potential starters and backups. I don't think it's anything

1757
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 8: like that. It's more and I think we have to

1758
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 8: keep in mind too, like what type of receiver do

1759
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 8: you want? Because these guys are all a little bit

1760
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 8: different Tate, you know, I think he's more of your

1761
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 8: prototypical z m Kay Lemmons, more of your I mean,

1762
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 8: he can play outside, but I think he does his

1763
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 8: best work from the slot, you know, the Alman Rossaint

1764
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 8: Brown effect, where Denzel Boston, he's more of your true X.

1765
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 8: You know, big physical guy can win down the field.

1766
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 8: Casey concepts, you own more of that. You know, complay

1767
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 8: inside outside slot. I think Omar Cooper Junior from Indiana

1768
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 8: he's also in that mix.

1769
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 10: Who you know.

1770
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 8: I think he's a first rounder all day. You he

1771
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 8: did most of his damage from the slot in Indiana.

1772
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 8: But his ball skills, the way that he can create

1773
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 8: after the catch, broken tackles, the toughness, Yeah, I think

1774
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 8: he can win inside outside. So another guy that I

1775
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 8: think teams are going to be pretty excited about somewhere

1776
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 8: in that middle top twenty five range in the first round.

1777
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you look at the tackle. So let's turn

1778
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: it around on the other side. How do you like

1779
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 3: the top of this tackle class? Because if you take

1780
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 3: a receiver at six and you're looking to tackle twenty four,

1781
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 3: take tackle at six, maybe you're looking receiver twenty four.

1782
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 3: How do you like the top of this tackle class?

1783
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: And compared to the last time we went in this

1784
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 3: market in the top ten when he had Thomas and

1785
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 3: Will's and Wurf's and Becten, how do you see these

1786
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: classes stacking up? And is there somebody you'd pound the

1787
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 3: table for at six?

1788
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 8: It definitely is a unique group because you know, the

1789
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 8: top two guys who were both right tackles right Spencer

1790
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 8: Fano from Utah Francis mauioa from Miami.

1791
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: And so.

1792
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 10: Do you plan on keep them at right tackle?

1793
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 3: Is that?

1794
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 6: You know?

1795
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 10: Because I think that for both of them it's their.

1796
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 8: Natural position and anything projecting them to left tackle would

1797
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 8: be just that a projection where it's it's guesswork. And

1798
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 8: even a guy like maw we know, I think a

1799
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 8: lot of teams. I won't say a lot, I'll say

1800
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 8: some teams, maybe even half. I don't know how all

1801
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 8: thirty tube teams feel, but I know you know quite

1802
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 8: a few. Like I'm better inside of guard. That's his

1803
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 8: best position. It's almost like a like a Zach Martin

1804
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 8: situation where he could stay outside a big tackle only

1805
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 8: be just fine. But if you really really want to

1806
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 8: maximize what he can do, moving him inside to guard

1807
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 8: is really.

1808
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 10: Good fits his his body.

1809
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: Would you pick that at six right?

1810
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 8: And that when that factors into your decision making there?

1811
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 8: Because again I think a theme of this draft. I

1812
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 8: mentioned the quarterbacks and running backs, but another theme of

1813
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 8: this draft is going to be just draft good football players.

1814
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 8: In the top ten, top twelve, because we're gonna get

1815
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 8: caught up so much. And with Caleb Downs, can you

1816
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 8: draft a safety that early? Sunny Styles? Can you draft

1817
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 8: an off ball linebacker that early? Jeremiah Love? Can you

1818
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 8: draft a running back that early? And then also with

1819
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 8: with these tackles Spencer Fono and maw we knowah both

1820
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 8: right tackles. I don't think the left tackle right tackle

1821
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 8: means as much these days, but you better feel good

1822
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 8: about him staying outside of a tackle as opposed to

1823
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 8: needing to move inside to guard. When Roe Freeling was

1824
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 8: a guy, I remember my first mock drafts ever did

1825
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 8: in this cycle was like Thanksgiving, and I put Monroe

1826
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 8: Freeling in and I received a lot of who like what?

1827
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 8: Like he's not No one's talking about him going first round?

1828
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 8: Just wait because teams are talking about him going first round.

1829
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 8: And I think he's a guy that if he went

1830
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 8: back to school, back to Georgia, we'd be talking about him.

1831
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 10: At top ten next year.

1832
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 8: So if that's the case, if we're talking about him,

1833
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 8: if we think another year of development would have put

1834
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 8: him in the top ten, why aren't we talking about

1835
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 8: him in the top ten this year? As a possibility,

1836
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 8: and so I think he's more of that true left

1837
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 8: tackle skill set. A young player. But you love the

1838
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 8: thudding hands, you love the agility, the way he moves.

1839
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 8: It's just he's young and there's going to be some

1840
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 8: you know, bumps along the road and you have to

1841
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 8: be okay with that. But he brings more of a

1842
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 8: true left tackle skill set as opposed to those top

1843
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:46,879
Speaker 8: two guys.

1844
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned a couple of guys. In terms of drafting

1845
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 2: good football players. You know our roster very well and

1846
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: know that we need a lot on the offensive side.

1847
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: You mentioned Downs. Downs is there at six.

1848
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 8: That's I mean, I understand both sides of this argument.

1849
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 8: I really do, because again, draft good football players, you know,

1850
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 8: draft guys that are going to transform not only what

1851
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 8: happens on the field, but also behind the scenes. And

1852
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 8: a guy like Caleb Downs is going to do that

1853
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 8: with the way he's wired, how smart he is. Like

1854
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 8: I remember at the combine last year talking to Jack

1855
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 8: Sawyer and asking him about some guys for upcoming next year.

1856
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 8: He brought up Kleb Downs and just said he's a pro.

1857
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 8: Like he just he blew us away with the way

1858
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 8: he came in head down, work, work, work, like, it's

1859
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 8: no mystery how good he is because of everything that

1860
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 8: he puts into it. And so I'm interested to see

1861
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 8: here at the combine. He's not going to be a

1862
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 8: big tester, like that's not size speed like, it'll be fine,

1863
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 8: it won't be deficient, But it's not his calling card necessarily.

1864
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 8: What separates him is how smart he is, how versatile

1865
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 8: he is you know where, And I think that's we

1866
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 8: saw it. You know, three years in college he played

1867
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 8: under three different defensive coordinators to do three different things.

1868
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 8: And you know this year, especially in Patricia's scheme, a

1869
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 8: lot of disguises, a lot of you know, a lot

1870
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 8: of responsibilities on him where if it's a run, okay,

1871
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 8: he's doing this. If it's to pass, he's going to

1872
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 8: do something totally different, and you have to be on

1873
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 8: the right page. And so just not a lot of

1874
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 8: college safeties are doing that. And so I think with

1875
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 8: Caleb Downs, I don't think I think most people listening

1876
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 8: to this know just how special he is. I don't

1877
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 8: need to sell you, but it's more about this team

1878
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 8: and their specific needs, and you want to draft someone

1879
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 8: that impacts, who's gonna be the greatest impact for your roster.

1880
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 8: Does Caleb Downs make that much of an impact where

1881
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 8: that's the right pick, or do they need to really

1882
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 8: focus on defense specifically those two positions. I think it's

1883
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 8: a really worthy debate.

1884
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:46,839
Speaker 2: Ye, it's gonna be fascinating.

1885
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 3: I mean, when we got the two first round picks,

1886
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: you go back and play old CBDs, We're like, all right,

1887
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: let's get a receiver and let's get Caleb Downs. That

1888
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 3: was kind of our dream scenario outcome in this draft.

1889
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: Now I think that it's very different in the needs

1890
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: on offense are pressing. You brought in time Monk, and

1891
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 3: we got to go shopping on offense. So to kind

1892
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: of tie this all back together, then if you're there,

1893
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 3: you have your pick of anybody at six and twenty four.

1894
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,799
Speaker 3: Are you going tackle receiver or receiver? Tackle?

1895
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, That's it's tough, and I think a big part

1896
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 8: will to see what they do the next free agency

1897
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 8: is on the fact that for sure, right and you know,

1898
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 8: we know, you know, they only have so much money

1899
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 8: to spend and they've got to be creative with the

1900
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 8: way that they're going to address this roster.

1901
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 10: You know, if I'm I think I would probably go.

1902
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 8: Spencer Fano, the tackle from Utah, plug and play starter,

1903
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 8: a guy that is really good now, but he's still young,

1904
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 8: and you think about he's twenty one years old. You

1905
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 8: think about, you know what he's going to be a

1906
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 8: year from now, two years from now, and just a

1907
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 8: real building block on that offensive line, and then I

1908
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 8: feel good about whether it's conception own, Omar Cooper one

1909
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 8: of those. Denzel Boston one of those guys being kind

1910
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 8: of like in Boston like a size. I mean, if

1911
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 8: you want he is a good player. He's not going

1912
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,480
Speaker 8: to be a soup, you know, a big time separator

1913
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 8: but big. He's not a slug. He's got some speed

1914
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 8: and love him. I think some of the tracking stuff,

1915
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 8: like over his shoulders a little iffy, but when he's

1916
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 8: facing the ball, he will extend, secure the ball and

1917
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 8: make plays. So a big, big time chain mover in

1918
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 8: that offense.

1919
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: Do we learn anything and I'm saying we as the

1920
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 3: draft or you as the draft community, but then we

1921
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: as the Cleveland Browns from Jed Wills and that if

1922
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 3: we draft the guy who's only been a right tackle,

1923
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 3: do we maybe think about just saying that the league's

1924
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 3: changed the right tackles getting paid just like left tackles.

1925
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 3: Do we say, all right, let's just put him at

1926
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: right tackle.

1927
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1928
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 8: I don't like the Jed Wills issues. I think were

1929
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 8: obviously you know, they're deeper. You know why he didn't

1930
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 8: work out and you know, partners injury, part of it

1931
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 8: was other stuff. So I think that just him being

1932
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 8: the right tackle, I don't think there's a ton of

1933
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 8: comparison there as long as you are sold with Fano

1934
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 8: the person and everything I've heard, you know, talking to

1935
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 8: Utah coaches, talking to scouts. He's this big, gregarious guy.

1936
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 8: Just he's going to fit in whatever locker room he's in.

1937
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 8: I'm still young, he's born in twos and four. You know,

1938
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 8: he's a young kid. So I think as long as

1939
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 8: you feel good about the maturity and his ability to

1940
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 8: develop and learn, you're going to be just fine taking

1941
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 8: him and betting on that. And you know that pass

1942
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 8: rushers are you know, left side, right side, like they're

1943
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 8: still they're coming at you. So I don't ideally you

1944
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 8: want a guy that can play both like I And

1945
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 8: he played left tackle as a freshman, and so it's

1946
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 8: not like he's completely foreign from it. But it is

1947
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 8: a little bit of a projection if you're going to

1948
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 8: talk about moving him over to the left side.

1949
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: So, just from a philosophical standpoint, if it's two linemen

1950
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: and a receiver, ideally, what's the order of those three

1951
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: if you're Andrew Berry.

1952
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 10: In the top forty?

1953
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think it really It's it's hard because

1954
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 8: it depends on the board falls to you at twenty

1955
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 8: four and then thirty nine.

1956
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: The only thing you control those six, right, So like, yeah,

1957
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: that's the one where like you're setting the tone Tate

1958
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: founo or however that essentially they could both be gone,

1959
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 2: they might both be Yeah, who knows, it's possible.

1960
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 8: I think Tennessee at four will being really interesting that

1961
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 8: giants at five are wide open, so you know, both

1962
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 8: could be on the board. Neither could be on the board.

1963
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 8: That is definitely a factor in this. But yeah, I

1964
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 8: think we're gonna hear a lot of like we do

1965
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 8: every year, oh trade back or that, who no one's

1966
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 8: straightened up. I mean I won't say no one because

1967
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 8: it's you know, someone could fall in love with Jeremiah

1968
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 8: Love or.

1969
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 3: Something like that. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

1970
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 8: But I think it's it's not likely that we see

1971
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 8: a team really looking to go up and get somebody.

1972
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 8: So it's hard to really plan that out ahead of

1973
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 8: time when you just don't know how those first twenty

1974
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 8: four twenty three picks are gonna go.

1975
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 9: I will say most years tackles go.

1976
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 8: I mean they because there's so many teams that need them,

1977
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 8: and they're just there's more of a drop off than

1978
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 8: receiver in my top one hundred and seventeen receivers in there.

1979
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 8: So yeah, even though you are taking a little bit

1980
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 8: lesser of a player, maybe if Denzel Boston isn't there

1981
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 8: and you're waiting till thirty nine, at the same time,

1982
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 8: you look at the receivers that are there, and you know, okay,

1983
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 8: I still feel good about this guy or that guy.

1984
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 8: We're at tackle. It's like, okay, this is you know,

1985
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 8: our top seven tackles are all gone, and we don't

1986
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 8: feel good about eight, nine, ten.

1987
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 3: Is there a way to maybe at six get the

1988
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 3: tackle that you want, twenty four get a good receiver obviously,

1989
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: and then at thirty nine, just the way that the

1990
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: league value certain things, maybe get an interior guy that

1991
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 3: might be maybe a first round talent per se but

1992
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 3: because he's on the interior, you get to swipe him,

1993
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 3: you know, early second like where the Brown's got Joel Botonia,

1994
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 3: who has been quite good for us for well over

1995
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 3: a decade.

1996
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think the top guard the top

1997
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 8: interior alignment this year is Vega Yo Wanna Penn State

1998
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 8: who I mean, he's a top fifteen player in this draft. Easy,

1999
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 8: and then there's a little bit of a drop off

2000
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 8: until that next interior guy, Chase Besontis from Texas A

2001
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 8: and M is my number two guard. He's but he's

2002
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 8: kind of in that second round range. I don't think

2003
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 8: you feel like you're getting a steal with him at

2004
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 8: that point, but I think it'd be a pick because

2005
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 8: he's a really good player, young player, Jersey kid. You know,

2006
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 8: Ohio State wanted him really bad before we went to

2007
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 8: A and M. Now he's another one that you kind

2008
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 8: of worry about the position flex, you know, is he

2009
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 8: a left guard only? Do we feel good about him

2010
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 8: moving around? So that's something that I think teams are

2011
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 8: going to really try and figure out during their draft process.

2012
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 8: Is just all that you know, can he play these

2013
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 8: different positions or is he really just a left guard only?

2014
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 3: Are there any guys, let's call it third round on

2015
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 3: that you were like, when I look at our defense

2016
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 3: right now, I think, you know, Miles Harden played well

2017
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 3: in the slot and maybe end up getting one of

2018
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: those safeties, so you can make a nickel as well.

2019
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 3: But are there any kind of safety slots or pure

2020
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 3: true slots that you really like? And then will linebackers,

2021
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 3: because if we're not able to retain Devin Bush, that's

2022
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 3: a position that we're gonna we're gonna need. I know

2023
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 3: this is at least we've we've heard it's a deeper

2024
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 3: linebacker draft. I'm not saying I've watched any linebackership at all.

2025
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 9: I think it is.

2026
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 10: I think it is a deep linebacker group.

2027
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 8: And so I think you could wait to the fourth

2028
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 8: round and I feel like you still feel pretty positive

2029
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 8: you're getting a good player. So linebacker, I think that

2030
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 8: they will come away with someone that they really like

2031
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 8: somewhere in the first five rounds. I think that you

2032
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,799
Speaker 8: can do that and feel comfortable nickel third round trading

2033
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 8: Stokes from Arizona, a little bit of an older player,

2034
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 8: so you know, we'll see how this team would be

2035
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 8: okay with a guy like that. But I think had

2036
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 8: four interceptions this year. Like, he's got that GGI gear,

2037
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 8: that go and get it gear. When the ball's in

2038
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 8: the air, he's gonna come down. And so he's a

2039
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 8: true nickel where that's where he played in college, that's

2040
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 8: where he's going to project best at the next level.

2041
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 8: So I really like Chris Johnson from San Diego State.

2042
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 8: If he's there in the third round, I think that'd

2043
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 8: be a steal at that point. This is a corner

2044
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 8: nickel group where I think that through the third round,

2045
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 8: I like the depth of talent, then I think there's

2046
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 8: a little bit of a drop off, and so I

2047
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 8: think if you want to come away from this draft

2048
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 8: with the corner or a nickel, third round might be

2049
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 8: kind of that SWEETE thought about, Yeah, when.

2050
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,799
Speaker 3: You look at Todd Mounkan in Baltimore, obviously Mark Andrews,

2051
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 3: and we've got Harold fannin rights at Isaiah Likely he

2052
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 3: also had Charlie Kohler who was a big part of

2053
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 3: their run game. Any kind of you know tight ends

2054
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: that you like in this draft, that could be that

2055
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, second tight end in some of our twelve personnel.

2056
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 8: Well, kind of just like linebacker, this is a deep

2057
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 8: group of tight ends where you could sure you could

2058
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 8: take one early. You know, Kenyon Sidek is going to

2059
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 8: go somewhere in the first round, and then I like

2060
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 8: Max Claire from Ohio State, Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt, those

2061
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 8: guys will be Day two picks. But you can wait

2062
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 8: until round four, round five, round six and get a

2063
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 8: good tight end. Will kack Merrick from Ohio State, he

2064
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 8: was the other Ohio State tight end. But you know,

2065
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 8: you look at Jackson Hawes and the impact he made

2066
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 8: for Buffalo as a rookie last year as someone that

2067
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 8: you know, when he's targeted, he'll catch the ball, but

2068
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 8: he's his blocking that's really what's going to separate him.

2069
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 8: Kac Merrick is the kind of that guy for the

2070
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 8: from the Buckeyes, who again, when he's targeted, he catches

2071
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 8: the ball. He didn't have a single drop in two

2072
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 8: years at Ohio State. But his bread and butter is

2073
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 8: the blocking, both pass protection and then when he gets

2074
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 8: after it as a lead blocker, he will run through

2075
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 8: guy's face, bury them into the ground. And so if

2076
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 8: I can get that in the fourth round, I'm feeling

2077
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 8: good about that stuff. Like somebody we would you would

2078
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 8: enjoy it. And this is a good draft for that

2079
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 8: was a Nate Bore kicker from A and M. I

2080
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 8: mean it is a deep tight end class where with

2081
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 8: you think about the Brons specifically, we don't need a

2082
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 8: draft one on the top one hundred, but once we

2083
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 8: get a Day three, there'd be four or five names.

2084
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 8: I'd be circling like, let's come away with one of

2085
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 8: these guys by the end of the night.

2086
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 2: I always remind our audience of this. It's your business

2087
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: to know all this stuff. It never ceases to amaze

2088
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: me that we can drop any position, any player, and

2089
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: he's on it and on it. Round projection projections like

2090
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: we're talking fourth round tight end like never nerves said,

2091
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 2: never nerve because there is no spot. How many years

2092
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: for you? By the way, is this with the Beast

2093
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: and at the Combine.

2094
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 10: This is my sixteenth year.

2095
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 8: The Combine twenty eleven was my first, which was he

2096
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 8: was Cam Newton here, so I was fun. It's crazy

2097
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 8: that way it's evolved since those days.

2098
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 10: And then the Beast.

2099
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I don't my my freshman year dorm

2100
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 8: room was kind of the first year I put it together.

2101
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 8: So it's been it's been a minute down there at

2102
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 8: Mount Union McCreery Hall back in the day. But yeah,

2103
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 8: it's it's every year you try to top it, try

2104
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 8: to get better and try to you know, and so

2105
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 8: this year it's a challenge every year to trying to

2106
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 8: take it to that next level. And we've got some

2107
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 8: things cooked up and so I can't wait to share

2108
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 8: with everybody.

2109
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you for your chomas. I appreciate it all right.

2110
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: That's the great Dane Brugler. The Beast will be out soon.

2111
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 3: That is must it's a must have accompaniment to get

2112
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,839
Speaker 3: in your draft prep. And then obviously when the draft

2113
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Speaker 3: goes on. Shout out to the great Jimmy Bang Bang

2114
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 3: watching the show here today as we wrap things up

2115
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 3: day two of the Combine his he was texting me

2116
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 3: he's fired up, he's listen, he's digging all of our

2117
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 3: Combine content. Gibbe again, great job putting this all together today.

2118
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Speaker 3: Want to thank Jordan Reid from ESPN. Obviously, Dane Brugler.

2119
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 3: Want to thank our head coach here at Cleveland Browns,

2120
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 3: Todd Mounkin as well. Thanks Doctor j Thank Young Gabriel, Tequila,

2121
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Speaker 3: Felis Starkey, Ricky Vincenzo, the Great bo Bishop, and we've

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01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 3: got to go. We'll be back with Day three from

2123
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Speaker 3: the Combine tomorrow. Here you're listening to Cleve Browns Daily

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