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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Now

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Speaker 1: that she's not on cross examination, she opens up behind

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Speaker 1: bars and tells, how should I say this? Her truth?

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Speaker 1: In other words, her crazy story. She's spinning out. But

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, not to me. To Nate Eaton from

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Speaker 1: Eastidaho News dot Com, Nate had the I guess opportunity

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Speaker 1: would be a way to put it. To sit down

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Speaker 1: with Colt Mom Laurie Valo behind bars refresher Colt Mom

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, the Devil's hence person, her two children found murdered,

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Speaker 1: buried in the backyard of her Let's see was it

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Speaker 1: the fourth or the fifth husband? I think the fifth husband,

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Speaker 1: the prophet Chad da Bell both doomsday if it's of course,

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Speaker 1: she's finding everybody to blame but herself. And I believe

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Speaker 1: she refers to you, Nate Eaton as Judas does she not?

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Speaker 2: She does? She said at one point she thought I

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Speaker 2: was Judas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's kick it off. Laurie Valo being escorted into

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Speaker 1: the interview room. Now she's not cuffed, which would have

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Speaker 1: given me, uh pause for concern, But that said, listen

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Speaker 1: to Coultmom Laurie Valo being ushered into the interview room.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Laurie, how are you you ready?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Hi, good to see it. Hey, such a pleasure, have

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Speaker 2: a seat.

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Speaker 4: A long time coming?

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Speaker 2: Huh birthday?

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious? Happy birthday?

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Speaker 1: She murdered her two children and Chad day Bell's wife, Tammy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, happy birthday, my rear rand. Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to disarm her. Nancy, I wanted to disarmor

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Speaker 2: so I did stay. Happy birthday, But then we immediately

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Speaker 2: moved into questions about Chad. I had been told she

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Speaker 2: would be tough, so that was a surprise to me.

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Speaker 2: Nancy I had also been told that one of her

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Speaker 2: defense attorneys, our advisory attorneys, would be in the room,

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Speaker 2: and that's who was in the room. But notice she

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Speaker 2: came in with a packet of documents of files that

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Speaker 2: she wanted to refer to, but she didn't mention them

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Speaker 2: one time. She had a notebook there. She she noticed

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Speaker 2: she's wearing on her fourth finger, Nancy, the wedding ring finger.

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Speaker 2: She's wearing a hair band to signify that she's still

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Speaker 2: devoted to Chad day Bell. And then she comes to

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Speaker 2: shake my hand that I had also been told we

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Speaker 2: sitting down ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously you I hate to just throw you into

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Speaker 1: the stereotypical male gene pool, but hey, do you notice

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Speaker 1: you're a lucky one because she got her hair done

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Speaker 1: and put on her jailhouse makeup for you. She's totally

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Speaker 1: all dolled up for you, all for you, Nate.

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Speaker 2: She did why well, you know, I don't know. We've

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Speaker 2: I've waited five six years to ask her some questions,

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Speaker 2: and maybe she had some questions for me, as I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about throughout the interview. But we didn't

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Speaker 2: give her hair and makeup. Just to be clear, she

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Speaker 2: did that herself. She used to be a hairdresser before

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Speaker 2: she was incarcerated. So from what I understand, they take

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Speaker 2: their clothing and get them wet and then they're able

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Speaker 2: to curl their hair with that. I'm not a hair expert,

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Speaker 2: but she definitely was ready to come in and chat

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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I just want to follow up on

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Speaker 1: what you just said. They take their what their clothing,

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Speaker 2: Right if you hold on to like a T shirt

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Speaker 2: or whatever you have and get it wet you and

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Speaker 2: hair and then twist it. And that's apparently how she

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Speaker 1: The things we all learn. And then there's the pen makeup,

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Speaker 1: which is homemade penitentiary makeup. Okay, you just heard Nate

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Speaker 1: Eaton in his investigative glory sucking up to Colt Mom

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Speaker 1: Laurie value. But I get it. Why I start fighting

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Speaker 1: some answers out of her before you alienate her. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Nate Eaton getting the behind Bars

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Speaker 2: Listen, you told me years ago Chad was the best

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Speaker 2: man you've ever met.

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Speaker 4: Dad is a very kind person. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Is that still true? Yes? So besides his spirituality, what

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Speaker 5: He's a wonderful person. Everyone who knows him knows that

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Speaker 5: you've never met him, right.

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Speaker 2: I haven't met him other than we when we were

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Speaker 5: I'm saying you never met him, talk to him, interacted

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I'd like to hear that experience as well.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a far ranging interview, Nate Eden,

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Speaker 1: because what I recall of you in Hawaii is seeing

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Speaker 1: and the prophet Chad Dabll. You know what, the things

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Speaker 1: that are done in the name of Christ, it's painful

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Speaker 1: and I am certainly no biblical scholar. And the only

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Speaker 1: way if I do get into heaven, Nate, is because

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Speaker 1: the Lord loves the sinner. Okay, I'm just putting it

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Speaker 1: out there. But the things that have been done in

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Speaker 1: some twisted and warped interpretation of what Christ said is

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Speaker 1: that up to Christ and God, whoever she is that said.

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Speaker 1: Your hand was omnipresent in Hawaii, chasing down cult Mom

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Speaker 2: I remember? I remember, Nancy. I was talking with you

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Speaker 2: about it the very next day after that happened. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I've wanted to ask all these years. I

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Speaker 2: did go on to ask her, why didn't you just

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Speaker 2: tell me where the children were Why didn't you just

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Speaker 2: to talk. Now I knew that Laurie was going to

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Speaker 2: of Christ is what you were saying. And so that's

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Speaker 2: why I wanted to get the spirituality questions concerning Chad

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Speaker 2: out of the way. But notice Nancy, when I said

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Speaker 2: the only quality she could say that she likes in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's interesting. I've met your beautiful wife,

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Speaker 1: he's an amazing father. Right of course, whenever I come

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Speaker 1: But the funny part is the thing I like the most.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could just keep on going. But it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that all she said was he's a wonderful person.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what she thinks of him now

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Speaker 2: because they haven't been able to communicate and a today

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Speaker 2: the morning that those bodies were found in his yard.

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Speaker 2: And he called her terrified, and he said they're searching

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Speaker 2: last time they've had any sort of conversation, Nancy, And

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Speaker 2: that was back in twenty twenty, she insisted, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you're gonna play this. Later, she insisted

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Speaker 2: that both of them will be exonerated. I said, will

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Speaker 2: that be before he's executed her?

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Speaker 1: After?

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Speaker 2: As she said before, Nate. She was very snippy with

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Speaker 2: that answer, and she promised. I said, we'll follow up

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Speaker 2: every year on your birthday to see if that exoneration

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You mentioned earlier how you

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Speaker 1: asked her, Hey, why don't you just tell me? In Hawaii?

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Speaker 1: When I was saying, hey, where are the children? Where

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Speaker 1: about how she was so traumatized. The truth is she

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Speaker 1: didn't answer because they were dead and buried. Let's hear

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Speaker 1: Nate eaton quest question coult mom on the Hawaii let

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Speaker 1: me say bait and switch.

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Speaker 2: Listen, can we go back to Hawaii when I first

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Speaker 2: met you and Chad and.

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Speaker 4: We didn't meet. You just put a microphone in my face.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now we have met, we have met. You're right,

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Speaker 2: why didn't you just tell me where the kids were?

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Speaker 5: Because I was not ready to talk about it at

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Speaker 5: all at that point. I was just not ready. It

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Speaker 2: Are you ready to talk now?

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Speaker 4: I have talked about it already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. She wasn't ready to talk about her children.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly no go by, but if anybody

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Speaker 1: to tell my truth. There's only one truth. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: Let's say it out loud, JJ and Tiley. They're dead, tilely,

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Speaker 2: many words putting the pieces together, that Tyley accidentally killed

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Speaker 2: then didn't want Laurie to be so tra traumatized, so

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Speaker 2: he took care of the bodies. Now, besides being offensive

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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. The timeline doesn't make sense. JJ died first,

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Speaker 2: that's not the timeline. Well, that's the evidence. That's all

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Speaker 2: But you still love him absolutely, and you've said you'll

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Speaker 4: And he will too, absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Will Will that be before he's executed?

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Speaker 5: You know, I know that you are lds as well

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Speaker 2: It was July twentieth of twenty twenty. That was the

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Speaker 1: You know who. I think very often we not us,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't have any tolerance for screwing

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Speaker 2: She ordered it on her dead husband's Amazon account, Charles

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Speaker 2: So when that didn't happen, Chad Day Bell, alex coxlri

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Speaker 1: COM's interview the exclusive interview with coltmom Laurie Valo, where

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Speaker 1: she tries to defend the prophet Chad Davel blaming her

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Speaker 2: Listen, So you think Chad they had to come up

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Speaker 5: On you and Alex absolutely, And I know that for

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Speaker 5: a fact because John Pryor came and told me that

433
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Speaker 5: prior to trial.

434
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: He did.

435
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: He said, this is going to be our defense.

436
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 5: He said, I'm going to blame you, and Chad doesn't

437
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 5: want me to and I want you he wants you

438
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 5: to know that. And this is the kind of stuff

439
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 5: that goes on behind the scenes that nobody sees.

440
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 4: That nobody knows what's going on.

441
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: There's so much stuff going on that you wouldn't even

442
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 5: believe all the things that go on.

443
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: So is that supposed to be a good thing for

444
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Chad Dabel? Does that make him a better person? Because he,

445
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: according to coltmom, lied in court and blamed her while

446
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: secretly he didn't want to because it wasn't true. Whatever

447
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: happened to the truth. So does that somehow mollify her

448
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: that her husband lied and blamed her in court but

449
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: didn't want.

450
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: To Well, that's I guess, So I guess that brings

451
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: her comfort. This is the woman that was so upset

452
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: that things were not going her way that she became

453
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: her own attorney in Arizona for two trials, her fourth

454
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: husband and the attempted murder of her nephew former nephew.

455
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: And we saw how that turned out. The jury came

456
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: back on both of those cases in less than an hour,

457
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: having a verdict. So you know, she lives in her

458
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: own little world, Nancy. She does her own thing, and

459
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: she's convinced herself that is the truth, or at least

460
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: that's what she is saying publicly, that her husband still

461
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: loves her, still stands by her. She became so upset

462
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: I'll never forget when her attorneys during closing arguments in

463
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: Idaho called Chad da Bell's books stupid to the jury.

464
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: They said she got caught up in a guy who

465
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: wrote a bunch of stupid books. Laurie became so upset

466
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: she started to cry. She refused to talk to her attorney.

467
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: She said how dare you call my husband's books stupid?

468
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: Wouldn't even look at the attorney. And when they finally

469
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: threw a little bit of shade at Chad, they finally

470
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: went after him, just a tiny bit. She was not

471
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: happy with that. Yet in Chad's trial they threw her

472
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: and Alex under the bus in what way didn't matter

473
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: because they were guilty on all accounts. They said that

474
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: Laurie got caught up or had that Chad got caught

475
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: up with Lourie, that she was the instigator in this,

476
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: that Alex did all the dirty work, and that Chad

477
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: just was living his life and you know, had an

478
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: affair with a woman and he didn't know these people

479
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: were dying, and Tammy died naturally. Amy just you know,

480
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: may have had a heart issue, or may have may

481
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: have never been to the doctor, or I mean, all

482
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: sorts of defenses that at the end of the day

483
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: didn't matter because the jury came back with inverting.

484
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Ayton, you do know

485
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: that asphyxiation, in my opinion, is one of the easiest

486
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: CODs to prove, the easiest. Uh you will have burst

487
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: PARTICII in the eyeballs, where the blood make it's cut

488
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: off from here up and the vessels explode in the eyes.

489
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: You'll have sometimes bruising, bruising or reddening around the mouth.

490
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: There's very often marks on the throat. It's really easy

491
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: in most cases to determine if someone has been asphyxiated suffocated,

492
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: and there's many modes of asphyxiation. It can be a

493
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: ligature or manual strangulation. It could be suffocation by a pillow.

494
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: For instance. I had one case where a woman had

495
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: a one of those transparent laundry bags that they put

496
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: over your clothes at the dry cleaner put over her

497
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: head and she was asphyxiated that way. How do I

498
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: know that? Because tiny particles of the plastic bag were

499
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: still up in her nose and on her mouth where

500
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: she tried to breathe through it. So you can be

501
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: asphyxiated in many ways, but the telltale signs are always there.

502
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: So there's really no question in my mind about how

503
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Tammy Dabel was murdered. Speaking of his as the lawyer said,

504
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: stupid books, they're all freaky. One foot in the grave

505
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: martial law. Doug's dilemma escaped to Zion, the Keys of

506
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: the Kingdom, reclaiming liberty, the renewed Earth. What happened to

507
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the earth was it destroyed, evading Babylon, The Rise of Zion,

508
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Days of Fury, the Great Gathering. I guess that's the

509
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand, the exclusive ones that

510
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: get to go to Heaven. You know, that's a completely

511
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: different story that I heard in the New Testament. Of course, again,

512
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm no biblical scholar, but I got hope for the

513
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: New Testament that even losers like me and Paul aka

514
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Saul and all of the disciples who were just basically

515
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: day laborers, if they're going to get to go, why

516
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: do you have to be one of the one hundred

517
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: and forty four thousand elite. I mean, I don't get it.

518
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: But his books are way out there.

519
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't the best selling our author, Nancy. They

520
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: said in court that at most he was making maybe

521
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars a year from selling these books. I asked, Laurie,

522
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: how did you go to Hawaii and stay in this

523
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: million dollar condo These million dollar condo complex is very

524
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: beautiful gated community. Who paid for that? And she said

525
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: Chad dave Bell paid for it. I said, Chad Dabell

526
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: made thirty thousand dollars a year and the only way

527
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: that he could pay for it was Tammy day Bell's

528
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: life insurance money. And the day after Tammy died on

529
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: a Saturday, the Monday first thing, he's at the school

530
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: district asking how to cash out on his wife's life

531
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: insurance policy. They conveniently, they had upped to the maximum

532
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: amount a month earlier, and he was able to get

533
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: the four hundred thousand dollars from her life insurance policy.

534
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense. Laurie dave Bell claims that

535
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: she and Tammy were friends and that Chad's okay with it,

536
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: that Tammy comes and visits her in jail and that

537
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: you know, all is.

538
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Well, Tammy, I mean Tammy visits her in jail dead.

539
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: Tammy, Yeah, comes in Caesar, that JJ and Tyley visit

540
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 2: her daily, that they're healthy and fine, and that you know,

541
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: they're okay with what she's done and they have no

542
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: issue with her. That it's just us on the outside

543
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: that don't really see she's done.

544
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: So they say that she did.

545
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: I guess what she says that she didn't do anything,

546
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: but what's happened with her, the fact that she's in

547
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: jail and all of that. She says that they're fine

548
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: with it, that they love her.

549
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Now Here is called Montmory Valo talking about a million

550
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: dollar expert witness.

551
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: We got this expert. We paid them a million dollars

552
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: to say the opposite of whatever.

553
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: Your expert's going to say.

554
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: Like, what do you mean they paid them? The state

555
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 5: paid an expert a million dollars retainer to say whatever,

556
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: the opposite of what our state in Idaho was what

557
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: our witness is going to say. And the attorneys told

558
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: me this, and I'm like, are you kidding?

559
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Like you didn't have any witnesses?

560
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: We did, Yeah, in the build up we did.

561
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Again, Nancy, there's another thing that doesn't.

562
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Build sense, But that million dollar witness didn't come to trial.

563
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, And there was no there

564
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: was never a million dollar witness on a retainer that

565
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: the prosecution had some mental health experts who know about

566
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: religious delusions on standby in case Laurie used that as

567
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: a defense, but it wasn't going to be a million dollars.

568
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: And this was in response to a question I asked

569
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: is to why didn't you put on a defense. She

570
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: said that if she would have, the state had set

571
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: this all up, that there was this narrative and that

572
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: they would have, you know, paid people to testify against her. Again,

573
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, and so I said, well, you

574
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 2: didn't call any witnesses at any of your trials. We

575
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: never heard from one witness. She never took the stand.

576
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: Laurie never did, even when she was representing herself. And

577
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: I think it's because Laurie likes to be in control.

578
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Laurie does not want to see control to anybody. And

579
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: even in this interview, Nancy repeatedly she tried to talk

580
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: over me. She dodged the question. You can see when

581
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: she walked in, she shook my hand with both hands,

582
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, a power handshake, and then she sat down

583
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: and I wished her happy birthday and immediately moved to Chad,

584
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: and she pivoted back to, yeah, it is my birthday.

585
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: How well do you think I am? The ladies in

586
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: here think I'm twenty five, but I'm really you know,

587
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: she tries to control everything. Had she taken the stand,

588
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: she would not have been in control. When the prosecution

589
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: asked her questions, so she never did. So this is

590
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: a way for her to kind of share her version

591
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: of events. And I don't know if we're going to

592
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: get there, Nancy, but she says she's every day she

593
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: sits in her cell writing books of scripture that will

594
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: one day be public and we will all read them

595
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: as scripture. I'll send you a copy.

596
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Actually I would love to read. What she says

597
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: is the truth. Of course it all belies. And speaking

598
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: of a scapegoat, she has blamed her own daughter Tilely

599
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: for Tilie's death and JJ's death. She blames natural causes

600
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: and a conspiracy cover up for Tammy Dabell's murder. But

601
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: now she's blaming not only the judicial system but the media.

602
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: And I guess that's you, Nate.

603
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Listen, you said that this has all been a family tragedy. Yes,

604
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: and it has been a huge tragedy. Absolutely, four jurys

605
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: have said you and Chad and Alex caused the tragedy.

606
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the judicial system.

607
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: But how do you argue with that if all of

608
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: this evidence came out that showed you know that, you check.

609
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 5: The only evidence that ever came out is the evidence

610
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: state wanted to put forth. They manipulate the evidence to

611
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: make it look however they want.

612
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: And guess who helps them. The media helped.

613
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel knowing it's all your fault. I

614
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: guess it's your fault. She was convicted in your fault

615
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that at least three people, excuse me, four people are

616
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: dead well shell.

617
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: After she was arrested in Hawaii, I know on good authority,

618
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: she they transferred her back to Idaho on a plane.

619
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: She was on the very back road of the plane.

620
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: She was handcuffed. They had her in normal clothes so

621
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: that she wouldn't stick out. She was surrounded by officers

622
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: who were in normal clothes. Looked like an average person.

623
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: But people were quickly spread on the plane that Lori

624
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: Valoda Bell was on that flight. Remember her kids were

625
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: still missing. We didn't know anything that we know now,

626
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: just that her kids were missing and she wasn't talking.

627
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: People started to walk toward the back of the plane

628
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: with their phones and kind of take photos of her,

629
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: and Laurie said to one of the officers, all of

630
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: this is because of Nate Eaton, because of that moment

631
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: in Hawaii when I shoved that microphone in her face.

632
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: This has been a narrative. She talks about narratives. This

633
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: has been her narrative that she has said that it's

634
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: the media's fault. Yet yet she has communicated with me

635
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: for five years, was willing to sit down to do

636
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: a Jelhouse interview. So it's like she says she hates

637
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: the media, Nancy, but every time she sees a camera

638
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: she has hair and makeup on and turns and smiles

639
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: and seems to enjoy it.

640
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of the narrative, here's her as you call it narrative.

641
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: I call it a lie about what happened to Tylie

642
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: and JJ.

643
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: What's false about oh my gosh everything?

644
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: Your children were found dead in Chad's backyard. That's not wrong.

645
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: That's Higley was chopped up and burned. That's not wrong.

646
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: No, that's all mixed up.

647
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: That was nice. I saw photos of JJ wrapped in

648
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: plastic and duct tape. That wasn't wrong.

649
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 5: Okay, I understand what you're saying of those facts. Those

650
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 5: facts in and of themselves are wrapped around a whole

651
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: lot of untruth.

652
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: Okay. That sounds like Bayes because she never does say

653
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: what is quote wrong with those facts? But there's more

654
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: about the narrative.

655
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Listen, So, if Tyler killed JJ and then felt bad

656
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: and committed suicide, how did she die first? She didn't,

657
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: She shouldn't.

658
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 5: That's part of their whole fake narrative. That's part that's

659
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 5: part of everything that they were doing. So I don't

660
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: really want to get into all of those details with you,

661
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 5: because you obviously are very set in your mind.

662
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: I'm not here to change people's minds. I want you to.

663
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: Change my mind. I'd love to hear any evidence or

664
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: facts you have that might make me think, you know what.

665
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: They haven't wrong. But they haven't wrong. But I haven't

666
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: heard anything otherwise.

667
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: That's because you've been pushing this narrative for five and

668
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: a half years. You're not telling me that your mind

669
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: is not set on what it is already.

670
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: That is a story that is old. Is time. When

671
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: you confront someone with their lies, they can't answer. That's

672
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: why people don't take the stand. Did you see her

673
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: becoming combative and defensive if there was an innocent explanation.

674
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: There's no innocent explanation. But if there was an explanation

675
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: that exonerated her and or debil she would say, look,

676
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: this is what happened. Right, but she can't because what

677
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: happened is they murdered two children, they murdered a woman

678
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: in her sleep, and they shot down an unarmed man.

679
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: And I am not convinced that Joseph Ryan died of

680
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: natural causes. His body was already decomposing when he was

681
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: found dead, and then he was immediately cremated at her insistence.

682
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced Ryan died of a natural death, but

683
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: that's another can of worms. Describe what you were thinking

684
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: when she was refusing to give an answer.

685
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't to be honest, expecting her to be

686
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: honest with me. It would have been shocking if she said,

687
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: you're right, you know, this is what happened, or even

688
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: as you said, give some sort of sentence idea that

689
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: might plausibly make sense, but it doesn't make sense. It

690
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, and she, you know, has convinced

691
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: herself that it's not making sense, and that she is

692
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: the one that knows better than everybody. What's interesting, Nancy is,

693
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: during this interview, we told her we would air it unedited,

694
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: we weren't going to take any breaks, and it was

695
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: forty minutes. She wanted two hours. She wanted one hour

696
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: on one day and one hour the next. That jail said,

697
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: you get forty minutes. She said, well, we'll try to

698
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: get it all in. She had a lit dividems she

699
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. So we're about fifteen minutes into

700
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: the interview and her paralegal arrived late, and so we

701
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: did need to pause while the paralegal came in the

702
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: room and got situated, but we kept our cameras rolling

703
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: and we were in the middle of a heated exchange

704
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: when I said, do we need to pause for a moment,

705
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: And the paralegal came in and Laurie instantly dropped her

706
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: guard and asked if I had a good time in

707
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: Hawaii when I saw her, And I said, why did

708
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: we didn't even go on the beach? She goes, why,

709
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: I said, we were too busy chasing you. She goes,

710
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: I went to the beach, you chased me on the beach.

711
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: It was as if she didn't care, and she saw

712
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: this more as a show. And then once her paralegal

713
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: was situated and ready, the conversation went from here to

714
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: here again. She jumped right back into that you know,

715
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: heated moment. So I don't know if it's acting. I

716
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: don't know, if it's her putting on a show. I

717
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: don't know if it's really her her convictions deep down,

718
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: but you know she she's She's one that I won't forget.

719
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Obviously, now we hear called mom Laurie Valo comparing herself

720
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: to biblical heroes.

721
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: Listen, So in twenty seventeen, I was told by the

722
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: Lord that I was going to become like Job and

723
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: lose everything. Will I do this job if I lose everything?

724
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: Really? Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. But in the end,

725
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: didn't Job get everything and more given to him by

726
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: the Lord? Isn't that the way that turned out?

727
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think what That's what Laurie thinks might

728
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: be happening, or at least that's what she says will happen.

729
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: This is another thing that this happened in twenty seventeen,

730
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: she says. Her family, members, her friends, none of them

731
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: are call her ever telling anybody this that this was

732
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: going to happen. She told me during the interview that

733
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: she died during childbirth. She her family and friends say,

734
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: we've never heard that story where you would think if

735
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: someone died delivering a baby Nancy, people would know about

736
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: it and then came back to life, you and everybody

737
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: would know it was a very traumatic childbirth, you know,

738
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: near fatal. She never told anybody about this, but now

739
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 2: she's starting to tell these stories that she says happened

740
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: to her, and their news to many people and more.

741
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: Well, listen, and nobody was asking me what's happening. Nobody asked.

742
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: I tried top Well, would you have listened? Then you

743
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: have to absolutely, I wish you. You need to be

744
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 4: on the boat, Nate. Are you on the boat yet?

745
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 5: Because when you're on the boat, Nate, I am going

746
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: to be happy to share all this stuff with you

747
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: because miracles are on the way. I want to miracles are.

748
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: On the way, and when you're on the boat.

749
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 5: That's why I sent you that that last message. Well,

750
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 5: I sent you the last message saying when you're on

751
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 5: the boat, you'll be ready night.

752
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: Are you on the boat?

753
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: What?

754
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: But this is the Noah's arcs well comparable to Noah's Ark.

755
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: Nancy again she thinks that that movie Evan Almighty, the

756
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: reporter who becomes Noah, that I'm somehow that guy, and

757
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: that I need to get on the boat. The arc

758
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: because the world's going to end. And once I'm on

759
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: the boat, Laurie can teach me of her ways. Once

760
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: we shared this interview, I had many people who wrote

761
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: me and said, Nate, do not get on that boat.

762
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: Do not go anywhere near that boat. So Nancy, if

763
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: you see me building an arc, please come and save me.

764
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Please don't get on the boat. Do not get on

765
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: the boat. You know how to swim right, swim first. Okay,

766
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: there's more, And this is a really interesting moment in

767
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: your interview with Colt. Mom, Laurie Valo. Listen, you say,

768
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: Jesus is your friend.

769
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

770
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Does he support cheating on your spouse?

771
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: We weren't cheating.

772
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: Does he support killing your husband?

773
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: I didn't kill anybody ever.

774
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: Killing your kids.

775
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 4: I didn't kill anybody killing your boyfriend's wife.

776
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: Okay, was I in Hawaii when Tammy died? How did

777
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 5: I kill her? Are you going to explain that to

778
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: the world now?

779
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Man, If she's crazy, she's crazy like a fuck. She

780
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: knows those facts backwards and forwards and can whip them

781
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: out in her defense. But you did get her very

782
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: discombobulated when you accused her of cheating. And how would

783
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: christ feel about that. I'm not going to even bring

784
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: up the woman at the well to you right now,

785
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: but that said that really put a stick up her

786
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: rear end.

787
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says we weren't cheating. In fact, she says

788
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: that she was with Tammy and Chad a few times together,

789
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: all three of them. Yet close friends have told me

790
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: that Tammy and Laurie never met. So again, we have

791
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: a false comparison here. But Laurie said she didn't kill anyone,

792
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: didn't cheat. I mean, you could list the ten commandments, Nancy,

793
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: and I think Laurie's broken most of them. If she's

794
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: true to her faith. You go down that list, and

795
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: most of them have been broken by her. And I'm

796
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: not one to judge, like you said, you're not judging.

797
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: But she she oh, I'm totally judging. I don't have

798
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: a leg to stand on, of course, but I am

799
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: totally She killed them. I know she killed them, the children.

800
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: She had a hand in that, and a hand in

801
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: the murder of Tammy Daybell, and a hand in the

802
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: matter of Valo, her husband, Charles Valo. Yeah, I'm calling

803
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: it right.

804
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: And it came out during trial Nancy that Laurie would

805
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: tell her friends she would. She would take her hand

806
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: if something were to happen, and she'd say, doesn't count

807
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: for me, doesn't apply to me having an affair. Why

808
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: don't you just divorce Charles and Mary Chad? Nope, doesn't

809
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: count for me, as if she had already been exalted.

810
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: She was living this higher law, this bigger purpose, and

811
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: so that's how everything could be justified it. Oh, doesn't

812
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't count for her. It counts for all of us,

813
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: but not for her.

814
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, night, Ayton, could you explain something. What does this mean?

815
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's just something she would do. She would

816
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: she would tap, tap her hand or tap her counter

817
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: and say, doesn't count for me. She that was just

818
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: one thing she'd do, just tap twice. I don't know

819
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: what it means. But there were her friends who testified

820
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: that she would slap her hand and say it doesn't

821
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: count for me.

822
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: And there's more about her cult, Mam Laurie Valle, using

823
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: her children's money after they're dead.

824
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: Using your kid's money while they're dead.

825
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: Okay, all that is messed up to.

826
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: How did you run that unit in Hawaii?

827
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 4: That's what Chad rented it.

828
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: I didn't have any money until Tommy died.

829
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: Chad rented it with his own money. Chad was an

830
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: author and a publisher and had his own company.

831
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying. Year, No, but you're getting

832
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 4: up facts that you don't. You're giving up whatever the

833
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: state put up.

834
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: What is she saying? Did you see her look away

835
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: when you confronted her.

836
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: She was looking at her investigator who was sitting right here,

837
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: the defense investigator, who she repeatedly looked at. Now, he

838
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: was not prompting her. I think she just does that

839
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: as a kind of a secure already banger for reassurance.

840
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: But night, Chad day night. People do that when they're

841
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: lying or when they're trying to think out what to say.

842
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at you right now. If you asked

843
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: me a question and I don't like the truth, I

844
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: go and I have to think up an answer. That's

845
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: what she's doing. She's looking away from the question.

846
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true. And that was a question that

847
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: she couldn't answer because Chad didn't have money. You know

848
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: who supported that family, Tammy as a school librarian, making

849
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: twelve dollars an hour. I don't remember the exact amount,

850
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: but it was not a lot of money part time,

851
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: and Chad's writing these books that nobody's buying. Suddenly Charles

852
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: Valo is shot and they think they're getting a million dollars.

853
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: They didn't. But then Tammy Dabel dies and they've got

854
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: half a million dollars almost coming into them. And then

855
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: they're getting money from Tyley and from JJ's death. She

856
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: continued to collect on those things, on those moneies long

857
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: after her kids had died, so money became a big

858
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: part of this trial. She says that the state eight

859
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: presented evidence, crafted a narrative, and that only their version

860
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: of events went out. When I asked why didn't you

861
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: present a defense? Why didn't you present evidence? She couldn't answer.

862
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Now you asked her about Chad Dave Bail as a

863
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Speaker 1: prophet and their predictions of the end of time.

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Speaker 2: Listen, when you were on trial in Idaho, didn't you

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Speaker 2: say that Jesus was going to be back before the

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Speaker 2: end of that trial?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Who said I said that?

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you. Did you say, absolutely not?

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Speaker 4: I have never, Chad has never.

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Speaker 5: We've never given a date or a time the prophet

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Speaker 5: July twentieth. Somebody made that up and put it on there.

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Speaker 5: I have never said it. Chad has never said it.

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Speaker 5: We've never had a date.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody made it up, all right, her and day Bail.

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Speaker 1: They made it up. Okay, there's more. Listen.

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Speaker 5: There's always a Judas. And I almost used to think

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Speaker 5: of you.

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Speaker 4: As the Judas me.

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Speaker 2: Was I in the dark list?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: But this is what I'm saying, there's a Judas. People

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Speaker 5: think that Judas is a villain. Judas is not a villain.

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Speaker 5: You know what Judas was.

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Speaker 4: Judas was a vessel. Judas was a.

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Speaker 5: Vessel for God's plan to come to fluition. And he

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Speaker 5: told me the other day, it's coming to full fluition God.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Judas is the villain. Okay, if he's forgiven,

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Speaker 1: that's not my doing. But that said, how does it

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Speaker 1: feel to be called Judas? Of all things Judas?

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Speaker 2: What was interesting is right after that, I said, was

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Speaker 2: I on the dark list? And she quickly said no

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Speaker 2: to me, she acknowledged there was a list of dark

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Speaker 2: and light, which she had previously denied her in chat

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Speaker 2: had that list of whose light and who's dark? And

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Speaker 2: if you were on the dark list, toward the bottom

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Speaker 2: you became a zombie. And the way to get rid

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Speaker 2: of zombies is to kill them. The only people that

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Speaker 2: we know of who were zombies happened to be related

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Speaker 2: to Chad and Laurie and needed to be disposed of

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Speaker 2: because they thought that there was a financial reason. But

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Speaker 2: you know, she's Joe, I'm Judas.

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Speaker 1: All the zombies just happened to have life insurance policies.

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Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, you know she I asked her when

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Speaker 2: we wrapped up, do you have any regrets about all

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Speaker 2: of this? And she paused and said, that's a good question.

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Speaker 2: And in my mind I was wondering, was she Was

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Speaker 2: she wondering in her mind I regret that we didn't

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Speaker 2: hide it better, that we didn't do this or this?

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Speaker 2: Or was she wondering I regret that this all happened period.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think it was

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Speaker 2: the first way. If she could redo it again, they

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Speaker 2: would have been more careful with their cell phone evidence.

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Speaker 2: They would have you know, took taken off the cloud,

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Speaker 2: turned off their iCloud, things like that. I think those

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Speaker 2: are the regrets she has, rather than the fact that

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Speaker 2: these beautiful people were.

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Speaker 1: Killed and more dragging God into it.

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Speaker 2: Why did I tell all this to the police, So

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Speaker 2: why didn't you tell them all this when you arrested,

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Speaker 2: Explain this to them. You know, God's told me to

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Speaker 2: do this. Give your defense.

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Speaker 4: Really, what happened to people and they say God tell

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Speaker 4: them to do something, they lock them up. Well I'm

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Speaker 4: locked up.

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Speaker 1: Well night Eton the exclusive interview with Caltmam Laurie Valo

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Speaker 1: from behind Mars. When you walked out of that room,

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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: It was mentally exhausting. I'll tell you that I had

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Speaker 2: to wrap up. They gave me a wrap up, They

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Speaker 2: said we need to finish, so I wasn't. I had

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Speaker 2: fifteen note cards there that I didn't get through at all.

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Speaker 2: But then again, Nancy, I wonder if she really if

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Speaker 2: I would have gotten much more from her that what

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Speaker 2: you've played today is kind of how all of the

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Speaker 2: conversation went. It was exhausting, it was interesting. It was

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Speaker 2: one that I don't forget. I will say I haven't

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Speaker 2: heard from Lurie since the interview, so maybe she wasn't

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Speaker 2: happy with how it turned out. Maybe her tablet broke.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but we'll see if she contacts me

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Speaker 2: in the future.

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Speaker 1: Well, are you sorry? Do you want to hear from her?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if i'd interview her again.

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Speaker 2: I think if I were to interview her again, I

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Speaker 2: would talk with the Victimsry Woodcock, the victims of Tammy

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Speaker 2: Day Bell, their family members. I would ask them what

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Speaker 2: questions they want me to ask her, because she's never

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Speaker 2: communicated with them, they haven't had a chance to talk

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Speaker 2: to her, and I would go to the jail with

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Speaker 2: those questions. I would say, Kay Woodcock wants to know

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Speaker 2: why you didn't just give JJ to her. Had they

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Speaker 2: given JJ to Kay and Larry, we might not have

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Speaker 2: known about any of this. Tammy Day Bell would have

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Speaker 2: been buried, it would have been natural causes. Charles Valo

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Speaker 2: would have been shot. Then Alex Cox died the shooter.

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Speaker 2: That case likely would have been closed. Tyler could have

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Speaker 2: been reported as a runaway as an adult and they

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Speaker 2: maybe never would have found her, and Chad and Laurie

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Speaker 2: could have gone and lived their lives. Now how long

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Speaker 2: until they run out of money? And who becomes the

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Speaker 2: next victim? That would have been the question.

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Speaker 1: Last question, Natyen, did you detect any remorse at all

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Speaker 1: from Coltman Laurie Vale?

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Speaker 2: No, Nope, Nope, Maybe maybe remorse that she got caught,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of remorse that she's in jail

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Speaker 2: in this in Maricopa County in Arizona. She looks forward

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Speaker 2: to coming back to Idaho to serving her prison sentence.

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Speaker 2: She'll be sentenced later in July. She's preparing her statement

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Speaker 2: that she plans to read and if it's anything like

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Speaker 2: the ones she gave in Idaho, it will be Jesus

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Speaker 2: is my friend, Jesus loves me, things like that, and

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Speaker 2: then they'll transfer her back to Idaho, where, according to her,

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Speaker 2: she'll be exonerated soon. But according to the rest of us,

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Speaker 2: she'll die. She'll die behind bars in prison.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfold. Nate Dan, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for not just today, but for everything you did

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Speaker 1: to help uncover the truth about what happened to JJ

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Speaker 1: and Tyley and Tammy and Charles Valow. Thank you, and

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Speaker 1: good night, friend,