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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest

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Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome into

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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast and is Wednesday, June. J P.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. What's up? What's up, guys? What's haddening? How

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Speaker 1: are we doing well? Off season? Is over now, which

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Speaker 1: is a good thing. We just got off the practice field,

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Speaker 1: John from the final mandatory Mini camp practice. It was

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Speaker 1: good thing. We'll get into that a little bit more

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Speaker 1: coming up later. But some news that overshadowed Mini Camp

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Speaker 1: this week for the Jaguars came from Bruce Smith. You're mad, bro.

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Speaker 1: He went on Instagram and said the process negatively portrayed

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Speaker 1: it difficult to compare the totality of Tony's body of

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Speaker 1: the Dailies Place schedule coming up. Cheer Live Friday, June seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Juneteenth Celebration on Saturday, Tadesky Trucks Band with Los

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Speaker 1: I have plans. Are you using that night? How about that? Bucky?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Forget it. Unbelievable. You're uninvited. You are uninvited.

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Speaker 1: All right, So many camp wrapped up today. We touched

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