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In our family, 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: when my grandfather there died, we started a tradition that 29 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: anybody in our family that was a hound hunter, when 30 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: they die, we bring the hunting horn to the graveside 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: service and the last thing we do before we bury 32 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: them a is my son blows that horn, and it's 33 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: symbolic to us that as we lay them the rest 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: that we're calling their dogs in the last time. I 35 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: recently had the opportunity to travel to East Tennessee and 36 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: to sit down with my friend Tracy Jones. Tracy Jones 37 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: is a houndsman, a longtime houndsman, and Tracy took me 38 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: over to a man's house that he deeply respects and 39 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: uh and I do, how as well. After I met him, 40 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: an older gentleman eight five years old by the name 41 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: of Eldridge cuts you off. Eldridge is a long time 42 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Tennessee mountain bear hunter and we we had a conversation 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: with Eldridge. 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We just got back from Eldridge Cutshaw's house. 77 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Eldridge is eighty five, and uh, a guy like him 78 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: would have just had a He would have had to 79 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: have been an incredible athlete. Really, is that a good 80 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: way to describe it? To hunt these mountains like he 81 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: had to? Tracy, Yes, sir, I think so. Eldridge. Uh, 82 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: Like I told you before, I was too young to 83 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: get to hunt with him and some of the other 84 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: a whole lot up until you know, I became a teenager. 85 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: But my grandpa, my dad, and a lot of other 86 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: men around here hunted with him, and I always had 87 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: a great deal of respect for him. So when we 88 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: talked to month or so ago and you were telling 89 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: me you weren't want to do some podcasts with some 90 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: of the old Mountain bar hunters that were the real deal, 91 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I was very glad that you were able to get 92 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: over today and talk to Eldridge, because he he was 93 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: a real deal. When you say that, what do you mean, Well, 94 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: I mean he knew what he was doing and he 95 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: did it. Yeah. Yeah, he was just good at what 96 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, you a minute ago, he said, I mean, 97 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Eldridge was a humble man. He didn't you know, he's 98 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: getting up in years that he didn't. He he wasn't 99 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: trying to tell us what a great bear hunter. He 100 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: was humble man. And uh, you know, a guy like 101 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: that probably never knew even how unique his life was 102 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: inside of what he did and how he focused on 103 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: on bear hunting and and the toughness that it took. 104 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: And I mean some of these guys probably never even 105 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: knew that what they did wasn't normal. Is that a 106 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: good way to describe it. Well, he was raised in 107 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: the mountains, so what other people would consider to be extraordinary? 108 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: And I believe the average person if they followed a 109 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: man like Eldridge cut y'all, or Layman Rice or another 110 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: man I knew the name of Carson Landers and other 111 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: men that I could name who were exceptionally hard goers 112 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: in the mountains, if they followed them for a day, Um, 113 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: I believe they would come away understanding that these were 114 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: extraordinary men in the environments that they grew up in. Yeah. 115 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: But those men grew up in the environment and it 116 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: was an extraordinary to them. Yeah. I mean the elder 117 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: and said his dad took them to the top of 118 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: h Can't Creek bald what a lot of people call 119 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: a Viking mountain and dropped them off, and they were boys, 120 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: and they coon hunted out the mountain, out the Appalachian 121 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Trail and down off the side of the mountain to 122 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: their home place. I mean that's rough country through there, Yeah, 123 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: no doubt. I like what you said there that they 124 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: they were tough men. I escaped me. What you just 125 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: said that they that that for the area. They they 126 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: did what it took to be successful, and they were 127 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: and they and they they took it serious. And um yeah, 128 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: well I always have the utmost respect for some of 129 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: these men, because everybody ought to be honest with themselves. 130 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: And I think I can say that I probably enjoy 131 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: bar hunting as about as much as anybody, but I 132 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: don't consider myself on the same level or anywhere close 133 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: to it as some of the people that I had 134 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: the opportunity to grow up around. I mean a man 135 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: like Eldridge and again I mentioned Layman Rice and Carson 136 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Lander's and my dad was pretty tough. And I mean 137 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: I could name other people. I mean, I there's a 138 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: long list I could name. I hate to do that. 139 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: I just named a few people that a lot of 140 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: people around here would say, yeah, they were, they were 141 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: really tough in the woods. Why. I never put myself 142 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: in that category, because that would be a lie. But 143 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: I recognize that when I see it, right, Yeah, what 144 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, what I think is is unique. Is a 145 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: guy like Mr Elders is truly the last of a breed. 146 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: There will never be another generation of people barring and 147 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: apocalypse and we lose our technology. I mean, he grew 148 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: up before GPS. He told us that he didn't have 149 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: electricity in his house. He grew up running through these 150 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: mountain mountains chasing these dogs on foot, and that produced 151 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: a certain skill level that you can't attain unless you 152 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: have to do that. I mean, I have no problem 153 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: I coon hunt in Arkansas. I have no problem saying that. 154 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: If it weren't for garments, I probably wouldn't be a 155 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: coon hunter. I mean, we coon hunted without those when 156 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: I was in high school, and we didn't know any different. 157 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: But today it's changed me, you know, And and in 158 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: some ways there's some positive of that, but in a 159 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: lot of ways there's there's negative. So what we're just 160 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: saying is that these guys were a different breed and 161 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot of them left. Well, I 162 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: think we're in a position right now, at least here 163 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: in the area where we live where the old timers, 164 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: they're real what I call the real hardcore bear hunters 165 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: that you know, lived and breathed in the mountains and 166 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: that was their sort of their natural environment. They're fading away, 167 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: which is why I thought it was important for you 168 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: to go talk to Eldridge. And I know maybe another 169 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: manner too that I'd like for you to be able 170 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: to talk to along those lines. And then there's some 171 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: men that I know personally now and I'll hold off 172 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: on missing the names. They probably wouldn't want me to 173 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: mention their names. That I grew up with those people, 174 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: and they're really were really tough, I mean really tough 175 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: in the mountains, but they're now hitting their late sixties, 176 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: early seventies, and not not too many men can really 177 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: handle the mountains outside of their late fifties, the sixties 178 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: and mid sixties at really point. I'm not that you 179 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: can't go to the three, but there's a difference between 180 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: a man in his peak when he's thirty five versus 181 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: time you get sixty in his mountains. Like you can 182 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: go someplace where it's flat, like you know, Wisconsin or 183 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: Michigan and other places, and it's really great hunting, but 184 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: you don't have the elevation climbs. Yeah, and it's the 185 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: elevation wires on you, I think when you get older. Yeah, yeah, 186 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think The big takeaway 187 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: from all this is because you know, I think about it, 188 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I've I've always appreciated older people. I mean ever since 189 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: I was a little kid. I I just appreciate it. 190 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: I think I got I think my dad instilled that 191 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: in me. He he turned our gaze towards older people 192 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: and I saw him give them respect. And so, aside 193 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: from just a hat tip to an older man that's 194 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: been there before, what can we take away from these 195 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: guys lives, Tracy? Aside from just yes they were Yes, 196 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: they were tough. Yes they had to endure hardship. We're 197 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: not gonna go back and hunt the way they did. 198 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Just like I said, I mean, nobody's gonna get rid 199 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: of their garments and nobody's gonna So what's what's the 200 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: what's the takeaway like for for us? Well, I think 201 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: the only thing that makes life worth living is for 202 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: some things to be sacred. Like the relationship between a 203 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: man and his wife is sacred, So that makes life 204 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: worth living if that relationship isn't sacred and takes the 205 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: value out of it. Um, your relationship with God, if 206 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: you have a personal relationship with him that's sacred to you. 207 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: That's why you don't want to dishonor that relationship with 208 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: God and Uh. I think part of the sacredness of 209 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: life is honoring your elders. Any society that doesn't have 210 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: a huge respect for its ancients is basically doomed because 211 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: you you learned neither from their successes, nor you you 212 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: you don't learn from their failures. Mhm. So you're gonna 213 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: have the same problems that they had without any recourse. 214 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna learn from them whatsoever. Last night, 215 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: last night I was dealing with at church. I was 216 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: in a passage where David was running from Saul and Uh. 217 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: In that passage, one of the things that David referred 218 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: back to was something he had learned from one of 219 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: the ancients. He had an opportunity to kill Saul and 220 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: didn't take it, and he said one of the things 221 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: that stopped him was specifically something he had been taught 222 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: by the ancients that had to do with not taking vengeance. 223 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: And I really made a big deal out of that 224 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: church because I think as a society we need to 225 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: slow down and reintroduce our young people to their elders. 226 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: They need to know their grandfather and their grandmother, and 227 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: if they have one of great grandfather and grandmother. They 228 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: need to know their older uncles and their older aunts, 229 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: and they need to know the older people in their community, 230 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: in their church, and they need to be taught that 231 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: those people are valuable, that they're not just old people 232 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: that can't do anything anymore, and they need to learn 233 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: what those people have done and have respect for what 234 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: they've done in the difficulty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 235 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: I think the what I heard elders say, I kept 236 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: prodding them, saying, hey, can you think of a story 237 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: or can you think of a uh what was the 238 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: most meaningful parts of your bear hunting? That he said 239 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: he wouldn't trade anything for what he learned. That was 240 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: what he said. I mean, you know, you can tell 241 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: elder just getting to the point where life's kind of becoming, 242 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of distilling down into the essentials. And he 243 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: kept going back to the relationships that he built inside 244 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: of hunting. Did you notice that it did? I did 245 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: that kind of surprised. Nine out of ten, how people 246 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: you talk to you asking why you hunt, they're gonna 247 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: say the dogs. Some of them wouldn't even hunt if 248 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the dogs. But elders kept saying 249 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: his friends, his buddies, and and naming them, and the 250 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: and the friendships and the joy he had with those people. 251 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's what I think that's a little 252 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: different about elders from a lot of folks well, But 253 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: I think what he tapped into there is something that 254 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: is sometimes wrongly skewed inside of people where rather and 255 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: those relationships being healthy, those relationships become competitive or there's 256 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: jealousy or something. But I was talking with a gentleman 257 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: yesterday right here in Tennessee, and essentially we came to 258 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: the same place, was that the relationships that were built 259 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: through whatever medium you know, I mean inside of the 260 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: bare hound world. You can't do it on your own. 261 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: No man is an island if he's gonna be successful. 262 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: And last we talked about that with hounds and breeding 263 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: stuff and and you depend on people, you can't. You 264 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: can have the best dogs in the country, the truck 265 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: full of them and go out in these mountains just 266 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: you and your gun and that truck full of dogs, 267 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: and you're not probably gonna kill very many bear, Am 268 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: I right? I mean it takes it takes a lot 269 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: of people. In in what we distilled down and what 270 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I saw inside of this this gentleman I was talking to, 271 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: was that he valued those people. He actually teared up. 272 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: He shed a tear on our podcast talking about some 273 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: of the men that he'd hunted with. When he was 274 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: thinking about the ones that we're already gone, he he said, 275 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: a couple of times I miss them. Yeah, the elders 276 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: didn't the yeah yeah. Well to me, what that does 277 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: as a middle aged man here a few years ago, 278 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: I would have thought I was young, but now I'm 279 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: officially in the middle age. In the middle is that 280 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: we can get so focused on on the on the fruit, 281 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: on the product of what we're doing, you know which 282 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: obviously I'm here because I like bear dogs and bear hunting. 283 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: That's what drew me and you together. That's the reason 284 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm in East Tennessee. So that there there always is 285 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: a thing that you're after. But what it makes me 286 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: do is I want to slow down and pay more 287 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: attention to the to the relationships that I've got with people, 288 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: and make sure that I'm not burning over stuff in 289 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: pursuit of and in goal. And then when I'm eighty five, 290 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: I look back and realized I had a lot of 291 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: burned bridges or or I hadn't fostered a relationship, because 292 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: ultimately those people are what give value to what you do. 293 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, in my bare hunting, if I could tell 294 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: no one what I did, I probably I don't know 295 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: if I would do it or not. I mean, as 296 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: much as there's an inner desire and this native desire 297 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: to hunt, a lot of the value that comes from 298 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: hunting comes from sharing it with people. You know. I 299 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: think one of the most important things out of listening 300 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: to him today is not something he said, and it's 301 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: something that your listeners won't be able to see. And 302 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: that was the joy on his face when he was 303 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: talking about it. I mean you could tell that there. 304 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: His face just was like gonna glow because of how 305 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: much he and Alder, how fun it was him. And 306 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: he said, if you can't have fun, stay home. Yeah. Yeah, 307 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, his face really did light up. He had 308 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: he had bright blue eyes, didn't he and he uh, 309 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: when he smiled, you could it was almost like he 310 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: was young. You It's like he he was kind of 311 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: this old man and then when he smiled, he just 312 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: kinda he kind of lit up. But well, I think 313 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: there's I'm continuing to search for for why I have 314 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: why I placed value on guys like him. Well, I 315 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: think one of the difficult things about being middle aged, 316 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: like you're you were talking about earlier is the men 317 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: that you grew up with and that you respected, and 318 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: that that you think a lot of some of them 319 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: have passed away, and some of them are nearing that place, 320 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: and you're finally old enough to realize what a privilege 321 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: it was to grow up around these men, and that 322 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: kind of been because they're they're scarce in our society, 323 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: and those kinds of men are scarce. Yeah, And I 324 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: think about it, and I think about you know, it's 325 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: hard to watch the old bulls go down. It's hard 326 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: to watch the old lines go down. But then again, 327 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: what a privilege it was to live with them. And 328 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: we may never be exactly the kind of men they are, 329 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: but at least we knew them. Mm hmmm mm hmm. 330 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: And I think for for our time though, we can be, 331 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we we live in a whole 332 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: different set of challenges, Tracy, and you know it, we've 333 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: talked about it than they did. I mean, so inside 334 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: of the challenges that you know, they challenged, they were 335 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: challenged by the physics coal elements and the toughness of 336 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: life and poverty and and big mountains and and our 337 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: challenge is now different, but we still have the opportunity 338 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: to walk through life in a noble way. And you know, so, 339 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I see I see these old guys, and 340 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to be like them. Not I 341 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: won't be. I won't. I won't be just like them 342 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: because my life was different. I grew up in a 343 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: different time. But I wanna. I want to be honorable 344 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: when I'm old. I want to have given my best. 345 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: I want to have, you know, lived ultimately lived a 346 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: life that I felt like was pleasing to God. Well, 347 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: I like the the series or whatever you call that 348 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: you're doing here where you're finding these older men and 349 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: getting them recorded so that we have them have it saved. Yep. Well, hey, 350 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: thank you for thank you for for hosting today. I 351 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. You're welcome. I joined it. Yeah, as 352 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: you walk into Mr Eldridge's house, he's got some bear mounts, 353 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: he's got bare hides, he's got some old, old, tarnished 354 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: deer antlers around. It's a place where you know you're 355 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: walking into the house of somebody who's dedicated their life 356 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: to the outdoors. When you look off his front porch, 357 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: you can look about about eight miles and you can 358 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: see big Appalachian mountains. One of the mountains, this Viking mountains, 359 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: and those are the mountains that Eldridge hunter. And uh. 360 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: He said that he could blow his horn off his 361 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: front porch and those dogs could hear him from eight 362 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: to ten miles away blowing his hunter's horn, and those 363 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: dogs would come back. You're gonna appreciate Eldridge cut you 364 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: off well. In our family, when my grandfather died, we 365 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: started a tradition that anybody in our family that was 366 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: a hound hunter, when they die, we bring the hunting 367 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: horn to the graveside service, and the last thing we 368 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: do before we bury them is my son blows that horn. 369 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: And it's symbolic to us that as we lay them 370 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: the rest that we're calling their dogs in for the 371 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: last time. So you could hear it for a long ways. 372 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: Huh ten miles you think you can? Wow? Did you 373 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: use you use one of those to call your dog? Yeah? Yeah? 374 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: Tell me about these horns? What did people use them for? Well? 375 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: Mostly it was back years ago as fox hunters that 376 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: used them, and they use them to call their dogs 377 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: in whenever they was done hunting. You know, no GPS, 378 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: no telemetry, and they could blow their horn and call 379 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: the dogs in, just like Eldridge just said that from 380 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: his yard. You could hear this, he said, all the 381 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: way to Old Forge. And that's what ten mile across 382 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: their Old Forge. Really you could hear that for ten miles. Well, 383 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: they carry through the mountains. Mm hmm. Right, what what 384 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: county are we in? Are we in Greene County? Greene County, Tennessee, 385 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: which borders North Carolina. Yeah, it's across the chepd Well 386 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: shut that door. Just across the top of that mountain's 387 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: North Carolina and North Carolina. So we're in Greene County, Tennessee, 388 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: near Greenville, and I'm here with with Mr Eldridge, Cutshall 389 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: and Tracy Jones. Uh. Tracy has been on the podcast before. 390 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: We we talked with him last year. But thank you 391 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: so much for letting us come and visit with you, 392 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Mr Eldridge. Really a pleasure you come. You come, highly 393 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: spoken of. Bye bye Tracy for sure. Tracy, Why don't 394 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: will you tell me how you know Mr Eldridge? Well, 395 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: I know Eldridge through my Papal and my daddy. They 396 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: hunted together back years ago and for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, 397 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: And so you told me something on the way here 398 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: that most of the people that would have bear hunted 399 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: with hounds and this part of in this part of 400 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: the country, in this county, would have would have learned 401 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: to bear hunt from from from Barry Tarlton, your grandfather, 402 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: and uh Industry, Eldridge and who else. Well, I'm putting 403 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: words in your mouth. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't say everybody, 404 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people around here would 405 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: say they got to start with Eldridge or Layman Rice 406 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: or very Trout and one of the three. Yeah, not everybody, 407 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: but a lot, wouldn't you say a lot of them 408 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: didn't care. Yeah. When did you start bear hunting back 409 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: when early twenties? Yeah? Yeah, I was about twenty one 410 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: years old. Were there many people bear hunting at that time? Say? Well, people, 411 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: but there wasn't many. Bar Yeah, if you found one, 412 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: your mister stafters or somebody else to get him. Yeah, 413 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: but I've killed it with I've killed bar with a stick, 414 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: m the pole out t smoke cost and boys put 415 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: it and brought it back from Canada. I want to 416 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: knocked to death on the more green liquor bottles and 417 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: put up. I put a rope on it to drag 418 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: it out, and they come back to I got that 419 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: pole and he didn't get up in a more Oh man, 420 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: So did did you not have a gun with you? 421 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have it. Use the green liquor bottle. That's 422 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: the first for me. How about you, Tracy? I knocked 423 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: it out? So how did you? Uh? How did you 424 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: get your start in bear hunting? Like? Where did you 425 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: get your dogs? And and how did you get going? 426 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: My dad in law all the cash I and had 427 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: two walker dogs. He told me said, if you want 428 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: two bar dogs, you better get to him off Junior 429 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: rash my brother in law. I gave him thirty five 430 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: dollars for both of them. My neighbor was burned dog. 431 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: They trained her step in a reserve. M hmm. There 432 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: you go on running a while and come back. What 433 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: kind of dogs were they? Are? Box dogs and walkers? Yeah, rossed. 434 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: A lot of guys were using just running dogs back 435 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: in those days. He's running it, said, use it, yeah 436 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: to me, I don't care if it's a fistfaire running 437 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: barr He was a protector. I get tickled at m hm. 438 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: He's want to put it in the back history fish 439 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: white suld get them more wide and hare on my doll. 440 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Uh everybody him dead mm hmm. But that's part of 441 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: our own fun. You didn't have a fun, You're better 442 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: all home. Yeah. Yeah, So what you're describing to maybe 443 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: somebody that wouldn't understand bear hunting. This that Mr Barry 444 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: like hunting plothounds. He had a specific breed of dog 445 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: that he liked, and and and so you guys gave 446 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: each other a hard time about the different breeds. Yeah, yeah, 447 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: farm and he had done what kind of was gypsy? 448 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. She was a good dog, bar do 449 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: We got her own bar right now. She'd run a deer. 450 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: I told clave when we passed Lehman's house that that 451 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: was one of the hardest bear hunters that I ever knew. 452 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: Mr Elders what to to go back to a little 453 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: bit of history on you. What kind of work did 454 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: you do? Farm motion, cattle farms or what kind of farming? Really? 455 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Dairy farm right here? Yeah, so you were born and 456 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: raised in Green County, So did that a lot. You 457 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: a lot of time to hunt. We're we're sitting in 458 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: your living room here and I'm seeing uh, mounted deer, 459 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: lots of Tennessee mountain bucks, looks like bear hides you. 460 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: You you got to do a lot of hunting. Yeah, 461 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: what was your what were you most passionate about? Inside 462 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: of inside of hunting? Hunting or forward? You like hearing 463 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: those dogs run, didn't you? I still do? Yeah? I 464 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: just hear him no wrong, I don't care if I 465 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: never killed and he shows of dogs round. You pointed 466 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: out that barrel there on the wall before Clay started 467 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: talking to you there a few minutes ago, and you said, 468 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: that is that the first barrier you ever killed? Them? There? 469 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: What's what's the story on that one? Over fifteen and 470 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: three quarter years old? M hmm, that's what the biologist 471 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: told you. What year was that? Sixties? Yeah? Killed in 472 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: Northern Branche find Camp Creek cool, just right up the 473 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: creek from behind where the whole plot days now? Okay, okay? 474 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: What was that the first bear that your dogs ever 475 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: caught for you in tree and you were able to 476 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: kill or did you? Did you kill that bear in 477 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: a different way? Wasn't the first and I don't know 478 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: how many of the treat before they treatch ovel before. 479 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: I just got to the three first and heared it. Okay, yeah, 480 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: well our northern branch spring, there's waterfall. Hey, come around 481 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: into that waterfall. Come around where I was at. I 482 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: shot it. He went straight down and come up. It's 483 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: like it went down, and I showed it again. It 484 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: went straight down. Show it three times and he stuck 485 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: his head drive between each SAgs. Come and roll with 486 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: me like a baseball. I thought, if you roll down 487 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: here and open your mouth, I'll focus gun and you 488 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: to the mouth and putrity an old sound bar. And 489 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: then besides it was killed on Viking Terry mounted it. 490 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: You're talking about my dad. Okay, okay, these mountains are 491 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: pretty rough. You you must have been in really good 492 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: shape and can move around these mountains pretty good. Yeah 493 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: I could. I told him today. GPS, that's cheating. Hmm. 494 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: We didn't use to album. Yeah, we went on foot. Yeah, 495 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: of course the GPS is all right, my favorite using right, 496 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: use them to get in front of the bar and 497 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: get it. How did you use to navigate the mountains 498 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: without you just you just had to know the mountains 499 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: you can't beat anybody on our own land. I'll kill fit, sir. 500 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't care what I ever, carol or not. There's 501 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: a cowts and stuff and it's gonna take over. You 502 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: think they're they're hurting part of the hurting the bear. 503 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: You think, yeah, hungle identifying or eating a game. My 504 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: ash up from my hut, from my bar. But there everywhere. 505 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: Now bar is out in the country everywhere. How how 506 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: did you used to find a bear track? Now? Now 507 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: there's so many bears, it's it's a little bit easier 508 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: to to find a track. How would you guys hunt? 509 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: Just get us a dog and hit that trail? So 510 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: just on foot, free casting the dogs, leading, leading that dog, 511 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: leading the dog. You're don't on the track directly, sometimes 512 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: you wouldn't, So you would you'd take a good trail 513 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: dog or cold nosed dog or a couple and just 514 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: head off in an area that you felt like was good. Yep. 515 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: What would you do after you found the track? Eldridge, 516 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: Bring some more dogs, turn them all those you're a 517 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: racketan m h. And then you'd have to follow him 518 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: just by by sound? Is that right? See the byre 519 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: Sensual worries just on the left, right up that road, 520 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: die Horse Creek, n Squib Creek, cash in on and 521 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: we have turned the dolld loos and Green Mountain and 522 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: pick them up rocking for same day. How far is 523 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: that long way? How many miles on foot would you 524 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: walk on a in a day on a bear hunt 525 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: in these mountains? I'd say five or six mile anyway? Yeah, 526 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: maybe more. I bet it was more, but I wouldn't 527 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: take nothing. I wanted to learn. Were up bur in Canada. 528 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: Me and Malvin i Am went around on backside of Downe. 529 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: You just take your dogs up burning, turning loose, and 530 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: they don't know what they come out are with. He 531 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: turned them loose and calling them all, all of them 532 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: but one as burries. Hey run out built by. It's 533 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: hard to catch them all. Mm hmm. I told him, 534 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: I said, I'll catch you. I called it. I went 535 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: to the spanisyard. I come out. Why I didn't come 536 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: back out the way I went in. But that Federal 537 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: was a giving burry down the road. He was a 538 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: customer going on, but they didn't boiler burry. And he 539 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: just ain't gonna be cooled off a little. He ain't 540 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: eating a hand before we left. That's kind of man 541 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: burnt out. What was that doubt running her faults? Yeah, 542 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: that's true, red talk. Mm hmm. What what are some 543 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: of your favorite memories of bear hunting are? Yes, being 544 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: around my buddies. Yeah, I mean, Sam, you know, I 545 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: hear inside of the hound hunting community, there's a there's 546 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 1: a unique thing that's not in all of big game hunting, 547 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: and that is there's a lot of deep relationships that 548 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: are built between people. I mean. And not to say 549 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: that there's not those friendships built and other kinds of hunting, 550 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: but to be a successful bear hunter, you're you usually 551 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: hunting with other people. And if you're hunting with those people, 552 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: they're gonna be like minded people with you. They're gonna 553 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: be people you trust. There's gonna be people that you value. 554 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: And yesterday we were talking to an older gentleman that 555 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: was a bear hunter, and after talking to him for 556 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: an hour, that's the conclusion that I came to was 557 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: just hearing him talk was a lot of the value 558 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: inside the hunting was was his buddies as the people 559 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: that he spent his life, you know, breeding dogs with 560 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: and and hunting with. And would you would you agree 561 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, yeah, what was your favorite? Now you 562 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: ever had eldrie? I guess that I've had some good dogs. 563 00:38:51,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: H walk dog. Hey, folks, he as you catch it? 564 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: Is this him right here? When you're called rock? He 565 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: bought you. He bought me if I whipped another dog 566 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: and he could get to me, he bought me. He 567 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: took up for read bassies? Is that right? What did 568 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: you like best in a good bear dog? What would 569 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: be how would you describe one? If you were describing 570 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: a dog to somebody that didn't know anything about bear 571 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: hunting with hounds? What would you describe the traits that 572 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: you'd want to see in a good bear dog? And 573 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: stick with you? I had a red tick one head 574 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,959 Speaker 1: or busted or inside through the vet, and they sold 575 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: it up and that told me, he said, now you 576 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: may go get that dog and are being land are 577 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: dead And that's what will happen under one day. I 578 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: want to get her next day start and she's laying 579 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: her dead. Hmm, she's really all. It takes a lot 580 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of drive these dogs have to have, 581 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: isn't it. I come to her quitting that time, not 582 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: all that red tick? Do you think the dogs that 583 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: folks are hunting today are as good as the ones 584 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: that you used to hunt? Or do you think the 585 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: older dogs are better than what they're hunting now? Elder? 586 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: The ones now are better? No older? I guess because 587 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: they're honey more. I ain't got long enough season here 588 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: game Morton says, we're not killing enough bar but to 589 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: see Nat long enough and he's a mountains of getting 590 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: ticket her. So you think that people used to hunt more, 591 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: They used to hunt for longer periods of time, so 592 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: their dogs dogs had a chance to be better. Yeah, 593 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: more you hunting, the better do they get? Yeah? How 594 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: did you? Was talking about your buddies a few minutes ago? 595 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: Who were some of the people you hunted with? It? 596 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: You really had a good time with your daddy, all right, 597 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: I've only with a lot of good people. You ain't 598 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: gonna agree all time. When when is the last time 599 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: you hunted? Did you? Did you keep dogs and hunt 600 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: until just recently? I got rid of my dogs? Is 601 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: that right? I've got one? Somebody run over broke both 602 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: fine lads courting there the two thou dollar red bill? 603 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: M hm. So you stay around though, Okay, so you 604 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: still got one? You still like to get out and 605 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: listen to when you feel like it. So you're still 606 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: getting out and driving around, listen to some of the 607 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: races around five, I can get out, I wire. Yeah, 608 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: you coon hound a lot too, didn't you on a coon? 609 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: Would you use the same dogs or different dogs? I 610 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: am not learned it. Do you think they know when 611 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: you turn them loose at night? The tricon? Yeah? No, 612 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: smarter than people think there are. Yeah, I've walked from 613 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: Viking down to the old home place, just hitting best 614 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: a little before day line and get up marking next day. 615 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: You walk from your home place up to backing back. 616 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: My dad takes the where and let us out. We 617 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: coon up back from the top down, from the top down. 618 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: Would you go out to the Apple Lachian Trail and 619 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: then go down Jenn's Creek helf? Is that well by miles? 620 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: It ain't that many miles a minute? Be pretty red 621 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: climbing up and down them? Rege? How many coons would 622 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: he get on a hunt like that? One? Really? Just 623 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: maybe just get one stay out all night long? That 624 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: was the coon worth quite a bit? Back down a 625 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: coon hide? Oh it wasn't. What kind of lights would 626 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: you use? Lantern? M you carry a rival with you 627 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: old cone here, gould on Greek chill another they travel 628 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: wrong way? Bob, Bob, catch horse? Thing you get after 629 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: hard to tree, you jump out when you get down there. 630 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Did you ever catch any I crost to 631 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: in my life? Mm hmm. How did your deer hunt? 632 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: All these deer? Did these deer come off public land 633 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: around here? Just go and sit down, be quiet and 634 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: be still? Yeah? Pretty simple. Yeah. Did you like to hunt? 635 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: What kind of areas were you looking for? Would you 636 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: hunting gaps on top of the mountain or most time 637 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: by hey for you? Mm hmm. What kind of rifle 638 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: did you carry bar hunting the l did you raymond 639 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: like two twenty grain bullet that's like throwing them be 640 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 1: grock and a little wrong. Did you use a lever 641 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:48,479 Speaker 1: action or a bolt action? Automatic? Automatic? Stay up? God? Yeah? 642 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: Did you carry the same rifle deer hunting? Iron sights? Yeah? Well, 643 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: h but the scope on it's look too if it's 644 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: got orange or not? And I had to see through 645 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: mounts drop down. Mm hmm. What was the story you 646 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: told me that time, elder you about the bargains kill 647 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: back on the lake. Oh? We went to Parama. Your 648 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: papa had left, can come home. May ain't killing and 649 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: everybody we turned loose something run off and leave us. 650 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: I told Bill Carner, I said, now take him old 651 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: dogs or turn them loose first, and I'll take him 652 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: one to don't pack good when they're getting here, and 653 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: I'll turn them loose. And I did, and we got 654 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: to kill him. Heard have me would kill and the 655 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: person they run we got away from us. There's no 656 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: rock quarry there. I cleaned up on top that rock quarry. 657 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: I thought I heard my head downs from the siret. 658 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: I told him hard on radio and told him I 659 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: believe I've found him. I went on to the next 660 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: to the ridge, sat down from me another siarette. Now 661 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: here I'm playing. When I got there, laden dog dead 662 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: and Bill Carter's dog. I couldn't find that in mine. 663 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: I'd drive back a candy and get him. And all right, 664 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: I started down the side of the lower I shout 665 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: that one out. I started down the side of the 666 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: lake and the beaver day I'm gonna get across on 667 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: and he knowing that nick away down as a maker doll. 668 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: My walk where you jump at it me a shit 669 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: And he blue Gratt in that lake. He going and 670 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: saw him back out. He run that neck down just 671 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: to trying to get him a dog. When he did, 672 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: I'll let him have it. He fell in the lake hard. 673 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: He didn't sink much, pretty shadow. Did you hunt anywhere 674 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: outside of here except other than can Did you go 675 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: to New Mexico or out there? One time? They're off 676 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,439 Speaker 1: left hand Mexico City? How how did that happen? Well? 677 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: I drove, but one of the I told him, I said, 678 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: don't run off and let me it's it's carry the 679 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 1: hype brother. I took it out to she really place 680 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: to fix it, and rests are gonna wait. Start that store, 681 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: I thought. While I I was out there, I went 682 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: to the bathroom and they just come out and got 683 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: in the vehicle left. I got on some night pull 684 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: inn I how to say be? I got on that 685 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: radio now horror hoop to holler. Finally Burry here and 686 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: me and he said, who you know here? Knows us? 687 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: So and Layman come back and got me. So they 688 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: y'all went out there bear hunting, and you're you were 689 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:55,320 Speaker 1: driving two separate vehicles. And but but they they left 690 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: and your car was broke down they took her privately, 691 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: investigators trying to trap us into settle them buire parts 692 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: their car. Can you tell me about that? They come 693 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: here and rid me my right? I said, I don't 694 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: care you right my rights. I ain't got nothing, ain't 695 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: done nothing. I never did hear tailor them no more. 696 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: They sort of trickings into getting out there and then 697 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: trying to set you up. Didn't yeah done. And that 698 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: was during the time when they were trying to tracy 699 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: what they were. They were trying to catch people selling 700 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 1: bare parts, and so they sent private like undercover guys 701 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: into some of these areas call bladders, and so this 702 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: guy kind of became your friend here. I didn't trust 703 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: him really right off the bat. You didn't trust him. 704 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: You can tell hey, get drunk, come in drunk everything. 705 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: And then so once you got out there, what did 706 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: he how How did you guys know that he was 707 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: trying to set you up? All right? Taylor? Now he 708 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: was acting blood You can't tell mhm. But I never 709 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,280 Speaker 1: did saying it or nothing. You didn't have anything to hide. 710 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: I stayed all night in their car had tore up 711 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: on top of that mountain. I stayed all night and 712 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: that time slept under two sleeping bays and then them 713 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: do it that way. That that was coming back in 714 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: years ago where they would catch some people, you know, 715 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: like they ought to from, you know, doing something that 716 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: was illegal. Then a lot they did would just set 717 00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: people up and trap them. I am, and he got 718 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: lost up our candle was I need give up? He 719 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: just give up. Pull that sweater down over his head 720 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: to keep them flows o head. Finally got we finally 721 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: got him. He got lost. You get turned around very careful. 722 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: There's no GPS back then or nothing. You have a compass, 723 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: wasn't it. We didn't need our compass all right? That 724 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: peeddlers wore. We stayed. He's a German or partner or 725 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: some kind. He told us to get us to take guide. 726 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: He always he The next day he left, which somewhere 727 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: when you come back, I didn't know. We got a 728 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: rug that made out how did hang up in the tree, 729 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: and I know, naming them kill He looked at us 730 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,240 Speaker 1: and he said, well you crazy. He's something to beaches. 731 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it, baby, and people wearing irish theyver 732 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: come out. He couldn't believe y'all went back in that 733 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: could he he couldn't believe it. M I never did 734 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 1: worry about getting lost. If you're keeping pictured in your mind, 735 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: you turn right and left turns. I'm in. You know 736 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: you won't get lost from back way went. So you 737 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: never had any trouble with directions like that. So you 738 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 1: just you envisioned, you just kind of kept track of 739 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: what you did. It was that simple. Huh, you're looking 740 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: at Matt first. I didn't have him ap you earlier. 741 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: You said you wouldn't. You wouldn't trade anything for the 742 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: For what you've learned out bear hunting? What what was 743 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: your favorite part of it all? Listen to people, don't 744 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: car I guess really just enjoying yourself. I had a 745 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: good bunch hunt with. What did you learn about a bear? 746 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: Be careful watching your flights of bar If you get 747 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: him down, don't let him up. We will hurt you. 748 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: Did you ever get hurt by a bear? No? And 749 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: I have shot him just I'm shot him more that 750 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: there's big gutting down here. I don't know how many 751 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,399 Speaker 1: I've killed That way seem like when you shoot one, 752 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 1: don't get it right there. It had come towards you 753 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: every time. What would you say to young bear hunters 754 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: these days. What advius would you give them? You learned 755 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: by listening with a lot of stuff. Pay attention to 756 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 1: your dogs. It's good advice for him. Dogs can smell 757 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: that barn, you can't. Yeah, and check and make sure 758 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 1: you drive from bar mm hmm. Well, any are there 759 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,359 Speaker 1: any other stories you'd like to tell us? Can thank you? Yeah, 760 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they are if I can thank yeah. Yeah, Well, 761 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: thank you for letting us come and talk to you today. 762 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: You're welcome, appreciate it. Tracy, can you can you think 763 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: of anything? Yes? Yeah, we've killed barn? The hell bind 764 00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: that bar? Mhm, Well, thank you so much for letting 765 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: us come in our pleasure to talk with you. And uh, 766 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: you're what you did as a young man and was 767 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: just throughout your life was it was something that not 768 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people, not a lot of people have 769 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: done hunting these mountains in this part of the country, 770 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:29,840 Speaker 1: rough country. A real bear hunter, that's that's that's a 771 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: valuable thing. I think was you. Was your dad a 772 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 1: dog hunter too, elder Yeah, he like couna I've been 773 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: hunting with. Started out with ms little retread possum down right. 774 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 1: Now we'll blow old home play he climbatory and put 775 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: the postum in shack and not let the dogs buy it. 776 00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: You know on TI I secured the death read something 777 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: to get me? Mm hmm. That's how little? When you 778 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 1: were growing up? Did you have electricity? And uh what 779 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: year were you born in? Did you have electricity at 780 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:24,400 Speaker 1: your house when you were born? No? Ready to put in? 781 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,959 Speaker 1: Did you have an indoor bathroom or our house? Would 782 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: your daddy a farmer? Two? Is that how you may 783 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: live in? Yeah? And here's an all time sriff And 784 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: like Burie, I didn't know it. And Bury's big buddies. 785 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: What was your daddy's name? He love Joy? Love Joy? 786 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 1: Really that's one word two two together. I mean hello 787 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: Joy mh. I'll be darn. He's party Indian jerkey. I 788 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: don't know, just partying. And all I know she said 789 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: your daddy used to hunt down moonshine steels and you 790 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: used to make it, so I guess, uh yeah, Well, 791 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. 792 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: I really do. Thank you. Thank you,