1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: We are here with another weekly recap of Jen season. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: How we feeling in, Sara, I'm feeling good. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 3: I feel like the drama was really dialed down this episode, 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: which I've actually been really enjoying the male hot heads 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 3: of the season, but it's been nice to focus a 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: little bit. 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: More on the love stories as well. 10 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you always get that episode middle 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: of the pack where it's a little more chill. But 12 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: what I realized at the end of this episode is 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: there's not many guys left, Like we're at that point now. 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 15 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 3: I was watching it being like, I feel like we're 16 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: actually getting really close to hometowns. 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 18 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy. 19 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to be. And one of the guys 20 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion, who I think has probably the one 21 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: of the better connections with John if I would say 22 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: maybe definitely top three is Devin and I'm excited to 23 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: talk to him because we are going to have Devin 24 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: on later this week, so make sure you check out 25 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: that interview. 26 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have so much to talk with Devin. 27 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: I feel like he's been involved in almost all of 28 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 3: the drama this season with multiple different guys from Aaron 29 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 3: to Sam M to him defending Sam N and even 30 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: in this last episode we saw he's still kind of 31 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: rubbing the guys the wrong way. 32 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: So I mean, I watch I like Devin, like why 33 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: not just because he's coming on this podcast. I think 34 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: I've kind of been pro Devin. You have been this 35 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: whole time we've been recapping this season. I don't know 36 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: what the temperature is on him with the fans. I 37 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: people definitely didn't like him after the ice cream. 38 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: I feel like it switches every week. 39 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: Like some weeks people are like, you cannot make me 40 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: like Devin, Like if he has zero haters, I'm dead. 41 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: But I also feel like there's some episodes where people like, Okay, 42 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: I liked him in this episode, like after his one 43 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: on one date. I think a lot of people switched 44 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: their tune. But we shall see, we shall see. I 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: think we've always agreed like he's a bit of a controversial, 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 3: introversial character. 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Either you love Devin or you hate Devin. 48 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Okay, let's get into it. 49 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: So we start at episode starts at the cocktail party, 50 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: not not too much drama, we see all the guys 51 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: are pretty pissed. Actually, I shouldn't say not too much drama. 52 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: There is a little drama because Gent's ex boyfriend Matt 53 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: is there and we see all the guys are pretty 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: are pretty upset about it. Yeah, you said you would 55 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: be upset as well. 56 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: I would be upset. Yeah. 57 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: If I'm being totally honest, I want to say that 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: I would be calm, cool, collected. I actually probably would 59 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: be calm, cool, collected on the outside, but internally I 60 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: would have a lot of thoughts and opinions about what 61 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: was going on, and if she makes one decision, what 62 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: am I going to do? 63 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: She makes another decision, What am I going to do? 64 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: You hear a lot of guys, and Devin was one 65 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: of them, like if if he stays, if she keeps him, 66 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 68 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, and I don't know, maybe it's just 69 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: because I'm watching from home. I personally don't think it 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: would really bother me. I could feel differently in this 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: bubble in this scenario, but yeah, I don't. I don't. 72 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I would be like okay, like fine, yeah, like this 73 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really affect This isn't really gonna affect my relationship 74 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: with Jen and if anything, if my relationship is stronger, 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna progress a little quicker because now there's 76 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, some some real competition or is that stupid? 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: No, No, it's not stupid at all. 78 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: I just I just don't know if I agree, And 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm really trying to put myself in that situation of 80 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: what it would feel like because we did have someone 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: come in. We had have Martin come in to our season. 82 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: I want to say it was like week six or seven. 83 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: She had met our lead, which was Matt before, but 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: like they hadn't had any history and like, but I 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: think it's also hard because it was later in the 86 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: season and I'm just trying to remember how I felt 87 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: in that moment. But if I was in this situation, 88 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: I think if she was like, I'm gonna bring him 89 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: into this journey, to me, I'm like, I'm having a 90 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: lot of mixed feelings about that if I'm the contestants, 91 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: because I'm just wondering why there's a need to revisit 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: a relationship with someone that is a ex boyfriend, Like 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: you have a lot of history with this person, you 94 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: know this person, Like everyone is kind of on the 95 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: same playing field. When you go on the show, you're 96 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: all getting to know the lead from zero, like you're 97 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: meeting them for the first time. So then to throw 98 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: someone in the mix that has years of history with her, 99 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: like knows her knows her family, knows her friends. I 100 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: would just be like, this doesn't feel like a fair dynamic. 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: And I would just think, like, you know enough about 102 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: this person that if you're thinking, maybe I want to 103 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: get engaged them, like you should maybe just go and 104 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: explore with them, or you should leave that in the past, 105 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: because it's like, if you're thinking, like I might want 106 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: to be with this person, how do you balance or 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: compare in contrast to their relationship with you to my 108 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: relationship with you having known you for four weeks. Like, mentally, 109 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: it would be really hard for me to wrap my 110 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: head around as a contestant if like an ex boyfriend 111 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: joined the show and I think, I think I said 112 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: this when we're watching it, I think what I would do, 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: and like, again, like, who who knows if I was 114 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: in this situation what I would actually do. But I 115 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 3: feel like I would be like, Okay, noted, Like noted, 116 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 3: you just brought your ex boyfriend onto this show, and 117 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: I'd probably give it a week or two, and if 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: that dude was still around and that relationship was really progressing, 119 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: i'd really have to analyze if I was going to 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: stick it out or not. 121 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Oh, you've given this more thought than than I thought. 122 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really complicated dynamic. 123 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: I think it's every I think it's the plot of 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: every good rom com. And the truth is you're cheering 125 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: for the ex. 126 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: Boyfriend exactly that too, yeah, which is also. 127 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: As if you were I'm like, okay, Like I I 128 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: don't believe that this was like, you know, something that 129 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: these two planned, like come back on the show. I 130 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: truly just think like he was probably scared to tell 131 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Jen how he actually felt, or didn't realize until she 132 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: was gone, and then decided like this is my last 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: chance or I'm gonna lose her forever, so I'm gonna 134 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: fly to New Zealand, I'm gonna go on The Bachelor 135 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 1: atte and I'm gonna win her back. And I'm like, Okay, 136 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: all right, this is this is a rom com and 137 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm I want to watch now. All the guys are 138 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of like Dicky to him, which I didn't really like, 139 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: because I don't really blame the guy, like you can't. 140 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: Like if if it was like, if the relationship was 141 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: shut down before Jen went on as the lead, then 142 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: stay home. But if it was you, they were potentially 143 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: going to a wedding in Columbia together. They they had 144 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: a pass. They were still kind of talking, but they 145 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: weren't dating. But like then he realizes, Fuck, I love 146 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: this girl and I'm gonna lose her forever. I don't know, 147 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: I think good. I'm I like Matt like that. No, 148 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: you don't. 149 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: You don't like Matt do I'm just trying to put 150 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: myself in the position of the guys and give them 151 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: a little bit of sympathy here for being so frustrated. 152 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: But I like Matt, Like he seemed like a really 153 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: okay okay. 154 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: But if you're if you're a contestant and you have 155 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: a really strong connection with Jen, it would only solidify, 156 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: it would solidify that it's even stronger if you compete 157 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 1: with an X and you you are the one. 158 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because like, why did you need him here? 159 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, let me put it. No, Like, I 160 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: I agree with you, Like I liked Matt. I think 161 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: he was a really nice guy. I actually felt like 162 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: really sad that Gen sent him home. As much as 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: I thought it was the right decision, I thought what 164 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: he did was really brave and romantic. But let me 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: let me put it in one more scenario. Okay, you 166 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: and I start dating in the real world, like we 167 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: meet organically, we meet at a bar, whatever. You and 168 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: I start talking to start dating. We've been on like 169 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: five dates, let's say, to where it's like starting to 170 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 3: get a little serious, like we're starting to really like 171 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: each other. And then I tell you, hey, my ex 172 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: called me this weekend. We're gonna start dating again too. 173 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: You and I aren't exclusive. I just wanted to let 174 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna explore that and explore you and 175 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: just like see where things go. 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: How do you feel? 177 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: I would say, that's that's totally fine because now I'm 178 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna explore. I'm gonna explore three girls. So you don't 179 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: like it, you don't like I didn't think this was 180 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: this is where this relationship was going. But if you 181 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: want to be open to explore at this point after 182 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: five days, then you explore, and I'm gonna explore, and 183 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna explore more than you. 184 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 4: Explore this is I think, yeah, yeah, moving God movie God. 185 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: She sends Matthew home. 186 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 3: What did you think of Matthew going in and addressing 187 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: the guys and basically just letting them know whatever what 188 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: went down and how they responded. 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: I didn't like the way the guys responded because I 190 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: thought they responded a little dicky, like he's already she 191 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: sent him home, Yeah, and it's like, you know what, 192 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: like you may not agree with him coming back, but 193 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: it's like you could just be nice at this point, 194 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: like why like why be standoffish or mean, like he's 195 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: not even staying like he's going. I could see it 196 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: more if he was like staying and they're like, well, 197 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: fuck this guy. But even then I think it's ridiculous. 198 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they could have just been a 199 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: little kinder, like just put yourself in that scenario, even 200 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: if you wouldn't do it, like you don't know, like 201 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: if you felt really strongly, you could do something like 202 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: that as well, and you wouldn't want to be treated 203 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: like shit. 204 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. 205 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: If I was mad, i'd be like, I'm definitely not 206 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: going to go address the guys, like I don't know 207 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: these dudes like Jen can let them know, or Jesse 208 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 3: Palmer literally anyone else could let them know that. I'm 209 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: not saying it like doesn't have to come for me, 210 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: like please just get my ass on a flight home. 211 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: This was brutal enough as it is, but I thought 212 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: he did a good job addressing them. I thought he 213 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: was very polite and respectful in like how he went 214 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: about it. And yeah, at that point, the guy should 215 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: just feel like you guys didn't want him here. You 216 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 3: should feel relieved like she's sending him home, which is 217 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: what most of you wanted to begin with. I didn't 218 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: think there was any need to be like, yeah, damn straight, buddy, like, 219 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: no shit, she sent you home. Like I feel like 220 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: that was the energy. 221 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: They were kind of giving. 222 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: It was like guys like he already flew his ass 223 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: to New Zealand and he's about to jump on a 224 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: long ass light home single, which is not what he wanted. 225 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: Like let's have a little compassion for the dude here, 226 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: Like he's not saying. 227 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't think you need to be compassionate. I just 228 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: think you could just be a little nicer. And then 229 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: we have two guys that go home. Thomas N goes Home, 230 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: which he was. He was a pretty big He was 231 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: a pretty big character on the season. Yeah, he was. 232 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: He didn't really seem to have a connection with Jen, 233 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: but he was involved in a lot of drama. But 234 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of what happens when you involve yourself with 235 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the man drama and not the woman. 236 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like that was coming soon because we 237 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 3: saw a decent amount of his time with Jen in 238 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: the beginning of the season, and we saw him a 239 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: lot throughout the season, but we stopped really seeing his 240 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 3: conversations with Jen, so it was like, I feel like 241 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: the connection is probably just not there. 242 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: John m goes Home, which he seemed. He seemed really 243 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: I actually really liked him so nice, and yeah, that's it. 244 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: So then we move on to we move on to 245 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan gets a date, which Jonathan seems to be like 246 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: another one of potentially GENS front runners. He's not involved 247 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: in any drama, good looking guy, kind of like, he's 248 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: well spoken. It's kind of hard not to like him. 249 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: So he gets a helicopter date and then they go 250 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: to a vineyard, which that seems like a lot of fun. Yeah, 251 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: actually that would be that would be my date of choice. 252 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: If I was on this show one hundred percent. 253 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: I feel like I haven't had a lot of one 254 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: on one dates the season totally stick out to me. 255 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: But then when they landed in the vineyard, it was 256 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: so beautiful, they were so cute, they looked like they 257 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: had so much fun, Like I would absolutely want that 258 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: date Jonathan's. 259 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: I feel like Jonathan's big thing going into the one 260 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: on one WHI Jen was, I need to see if 261 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: we could connect on a deeper level. He's expressed about 262 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: having issues with that in the past. I think that's 263 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: something that she also has issues with, so it's if 264 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: they can connect. 265 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like that was nice to see 266 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: him point that out because I think it just comes 267 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: from a place of maturity and shows that he is 268 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: interested in her, but is also taking this process seriously 269 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: of knowing there's an engagement at the end of this 270 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: and there needs to be. 271 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: Certain levels of the relationship to make it work. 272 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: So you can tell he's like I like to see 273 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: that he's thinking about these things and like, Okay, we 274 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: have this, but I want to know if we can 275 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: have this, and is staying really curious about like moving 276 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: the relationship forward. 277 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: What did you think when he opened up at the 278 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: night portion of the date, he opened up about his 279 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: past relationship. How did you feel about that? 280 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: About him talking about his. 281 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: Ex who they were together for two. 282 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Years together, they lived together, and then she accused him 283 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: of being verbally abusive. 284 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: I think there was words like controlling and manipulative used. 285 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: He hinted at the fact that there was substance abuse 286 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: potentially on her end, which I think might have impacted 287 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: some of the words being used to describe Jonathan and 288 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: I guess one of their fights just ended and her 289 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: saying get out and we're done. Honestly, it just sounds 290 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: kind of like your standard toxic relationship. 291 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the overall theme with all these guys 292 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: on this show is I was in an unhealthy relationship 293 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: prior to coming on the Bachelorette. It seems like almost 294 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: every guy has that story, and then jen also has 295 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: that story, so I guess it's something they can't relate 296 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: to with each other. 297 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: But Oh uses the word ferocious love. 298 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Someone define it for me my definition of ferocious love. 299 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: So here's Joe's definition of ferocious love. Ferocious love is 300 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the kind of love where we can't keep our hands 301 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: off each other and every time I walk in the house, 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: we make out like animals and we rip each other's 303 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: clothes off and we just we're just so, I. 304 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: Think you're describing something different. 305 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: Show the word ferocious, Like, what else does ferocious mean? 306 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: No, I get it's passionate, passionate love, It's. 307 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: No, it's beyond passionate. It's ferocious, right, you know passion Yeah, 308 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: it's more animalistic. Yeah, so that's that's what I think 309 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: it means. 310 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for sharing that You're welcome. 311 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: I know you're gonna freak out, But the truth is 312 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: this is in chronological order. What I'm about to say. 313 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: Grant gets the one on one because they announced the 314 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: group date. But we don't go directly to Grants one 315 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: on one. We go back to the group date. There's 316 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: a group date where all these guys got to hurt 317 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: some sheep. The people that live on this farm. They 318 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: come out and yeah, it seems like actually it seemed 319 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: like a fun date. 320 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: It seemed like a really fun day. I did a 321 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: farm date on my season and I really liked it. 322 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: It's fun. 323 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: You're outdoors with lots of different activities. That was really funny. 324 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: They didn't open the gate the ship. 325 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: Heurters were like, yeah, I was really disappointed because they 326 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: just wouldn't open the gate. 327 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: They were they were I actually, so it's always hit 328 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: or miss when you bring on like people that own 329 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: a property or something onto the show. How their personalities 330 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: are going to come across. Yeah, mainly I'm assuming it's 331 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: it's usually just nerves. But I really enjoyed these two. 332 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: I wanted actually to see more of them. 333 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were great. They were great. 334 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: I liked them, and I liked this date activity. Overall, 335 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: these these dates have been good. 336 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed them. 337 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: So Devin gets chosen at the end of the date. 338 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: And the guys are kind of annoyed with Devin throughout 339 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: the day. That seems like because they guys are. 340 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Always annoyed with Devin. I actually I'm looking forward to 341 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: talk to Devin about this and see see if if 342 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: he knew how annoyed the guys wore or if he's 343 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: realizing this watching it. Yeah, but also I don't know, 344 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: like even on this with him getting this, like it's 345 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: like all right, like he got it. 346 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: He has my thing with Devin and stealing time. 347 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: We didn't steal time he was award at the time 348 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: this time. 349 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they said throughout the date he was like 350 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: pulling her aside and stuff like that, And I think 351 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: the first ice cream thing and this are so different 352 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: with this situation. If you're not someone that feels comfortable 353 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: like going out of her way and pulling her aside, 354 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: then just be like, that's not my jam, Devin, you 355 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: do you all do me like, That's just not how 356 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: I move in this environment. And if you're jealous that 357 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: he's pulling her because you want to do it, then 358 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: just go do it. 359 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Okay, But see here's there's do But here's the issue. 360 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: If all the guys start doing that, then it's just 361 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: going to cause chaos. 362 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: Not all the guys are going to because all of 363 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 3: them are going to want to. I feel like that 364 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: was never my style and groups he's never gonna go way. 365 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Sure, but if Devin pulls her and then Sam pulls her, 366 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: and then John pulls her, and then Grand pulls her, 367 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: and you're one of the three guys left who hasn't 368 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: pulled her, if you're Jeremy or like, well, now I 369 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: feel like I feel almost obligated to because if I 370 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: don't think she's gonna think I don't like her, and 371 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: it's just gonna cost I just think I I don't 372 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: have an issue with Devin doing it every so often, 373 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: but if it's just the theme of him doing it 374 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: every single time and kind of like whenever he wants, 375 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: then it's then it's like starting to really interrupt the 376 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: flow of things, and that could get annoying. 377 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I think it's one thing 378 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: to like pull her aside, to like really do a 379 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: one on one moment. It's another thing just to make 380 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 3: a special moment on the group date with her. 381 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Curiously, you guys are heard in cheap shovel shit and 382 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: shut up. That's how I feel. So now we see 383 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: a lot of which you know, as it's as it's airing, 384 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, Okay, why are we seeing this? 385 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: But then you it makes sense because he sends himself 386 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: home voluntarily. Austin is spiraling out of control that he 387 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: just has had like no time and just like doesn't 388 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: know Jen and she doesn't know him. So he ends 389 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: up pulling Jen and after the group day in sending 390 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: himself home. 391 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, good move, bad move, whatever move. How do you 392 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 4: feel that it's a good move. At the end of 393 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: the day, I liked Austin. We saw him more of 394 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 4: this episode than we've seen him the entire season, which 395 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 4: I actually liked him. 396 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: It's a bad move, though, if you want to be 397 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: casting on Bachelor in Paradise. 398 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: Look at the end of the day, though, if you're 399 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: there and you're like I can just tell other connections 400 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: are way stronger than mine. 401 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: This isn't going anywhere. She's not that into me. 402 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm that into her, if 403 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to get to a point where 404 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: I'm like falling in love with her at this rate, 405 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm gonna go home, Like Yeah. 406 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be easier to stay in New Zealand 407 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: and at least at least you know, I honestly like 408 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: you still, you're you're most likely gonna leave single. You 409 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: came on the show because you wanted to fall in love. 410 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: There is another show called Bachelor in Paradise, and we're 411 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: all we're not oblivious to it. You know you have 412 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: a chance to go on that show after so you 413 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: just keep your hat in the ring. If you stay 414 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: on the show. 415 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: I mean you're talking to someone who sent himself home, 416 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: so you're talking the wrong person. 417 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you set yourself home later on, you sent 418 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: yourself home before potential engagement. You did send yourself home, 419 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, middle of the pack, when it's gonna be 420 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: hard for a lot of people to remember you. 421 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I sent myself home once I knew I 422 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: shouldn't be here anymore, which I feel like is what 423 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: Austin did. I feel like like, if he knows I'm 424 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: not going to end up with this girl, then he's 425 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 3: just wasting her time in his time. 426 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: But he doesn't know. He just knows that he's not 427 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: as far along as everyone else. But who knows. Maybe 428 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: he gets maybe he gets an hour with her and 429 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: they connect. 430 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I don't know. 431 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: You're really like, you're really like disagreeing with me in 432 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: this episode, Like we're not on the same page to 433 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: day with this recap. Yeah, Austin, Joe thinks you're an 434 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: idiot and you should have stayed on the show. 435 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if I think you're an idiot, but 436 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: I think you should have stayed on the show. But yeah, 437 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's fun, but. 438 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: It rattled Jim more than I. 439 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Used to be pushing back. Huh. 440 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm just not used to disagree on so many topics 441 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: in one episode. Okay, but yeah, I get your point, 442 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: But I think it's you know, it shows that he's 443 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: an authentic, genuine person. 444 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jen is is she's way more rattled than 445 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: by this and that it's like, am I doing a 446 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: bad job that she spirals. 447 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: I was actually very surprised. 448 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: I mean, as she explained herself more, I thought it 449 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: made a lot of sense, But when she was so 450 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 3: rattled by him sending himself home, I was shocked because 451 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: I was like Jen, like, I really didn't think you 452 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: were into this guy, Like I think you definitely would 453 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: have sent this guy home with the roast her money 454 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: this week anyway, So like what are you so upset about? 455 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: But then I think it really hit a prime insecurity 456 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: of hers, which was which was her feeling like she's 457 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: not doing a good job as the bachelor I and 458 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: that she's not worthy of love and that if she 459 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: shows her vulnerability, like I feel like she's trying to 460 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: put her best foot forward and show this like fun, confident, 461 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: like sexy, playful personality that she does have. And I 462 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: think She's thinking, oh my god, I'm atting, you know, 463 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: my best foot forward and this guy doesn't want me, 464 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: Like if I show the more difficult or the uglier 465 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: parts of myself or the parts that aren't you know, 466 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: always fun, like, none of these guys are gonna want me. 467 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: And I think that's you know, plays into her feeling 468 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: that she's not worthy, which is obviously something that she 469 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: struggles with. 470 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess this is the second guy that 471 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: sent himselves home, is it? Oh? 472 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like that's different Noah's brother Eric, 473 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: we're now only going to refer to know as Aaron's brother. 474 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: But Aaron's situation was different because it was so early 475 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: on and he left because he had another opportunity that 476 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: was like his dream come true. I feel like at 477 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: this point, you know, we're deeper into the show. Even 478 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: if she doesn't see a like forever future with Austin, 479 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: they have some sort of relationship going where he knows 480 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: her and she knows him, and he's not leaving because 481 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: of another opportunity. He's just leaving because he's basically like, 482 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: I don't think you like me, and I don't like 483 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: you or not I don't like you. 484 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, if I were her, 485 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I guess. I mean, I'm not in 486 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: that situation where I'd be like, yeah, this is actually great, 487 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: this is this is much. 488 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: Easier and have more time with the guys that want to. 489 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: Be This is much easier, And you're an idiot because 490 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: you could have maybe made it on a bedroom paradise Paradise. 491 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: He might, I mean he might, but he's probably not 492 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: going to be original cast. Okay, so that we see 493 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: another grant state, do you want to. 494 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: Talk more about Jen addressing the guys and talking about 495 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: her insecurities. 496 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: And yeah we could. Yeah John John was in. 497 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: The most biggest moment of the episode, But okay, you 498 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: know what. 499 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: Is But it's all it's every season where the Bachelorette, 500 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: like mid season has a realization that I feel like, 501 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: it's like they they start off and then they just 502 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: are riding this high for a good amount of the season, 503 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they have this realization 504 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: of like, oh now I'm in my head? Am I 505 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: fucking this up? 506 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: This? 507 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: Should I even be the Bachelor? At It happens all 508 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: the time. I think it's just like kind of part 509 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: of the show. But that's how I feel about it. Okay, 510 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: but no, it's I mean, what do you think? 511 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: Well, no, I just think maybe I connect with what 512 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: she was saying more because she said something along the 513 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: lines of, you know, men love a. 514 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: Confident a woman. 515 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: They love you know, they're confident girls, and I feel 516 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: like it's always preached to women like confidence is sexy, 517 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: like be confident. And I think Jen's really trying to 518 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: be confident. I think she is a confident woman, but 519 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: I think that narrative has led her to feel really 520 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: afraid of showing vulnerable sides to herself and showing that 521 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 3: at times she isn't confident and what that'll mean for 522 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: her connections and if they won't be as interested in 523 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: her when she does show the sides of herself. I 524 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: think that's an honest struggle that a lot of women 525 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: will relate to. 526 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: Well. Well, well said, well said, I agree. Also, when 527 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: we were watching, you did make a point because you know, 528 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I think he's more of a controversial figure on the 529 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: show Sam m because like, he does a lot of 530 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: things that could potentially rub people the wrong way, but 531 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: one thing that does work in his favor is he 532 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: handles the serious conversations with Jen very well. Like you said, 533 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: he's when they are having conversations and she's feeling insecure, 534 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: he's very comforting. 535 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. 536 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: I did say that because when she addressed the group 537 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: a few weeks back, just saying, you know, if you're 538 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: not here for the right reasons, kind of get out, 539 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: it's your time to leave. After Aaron left, she gave 540 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 3: a speech to the group about just not wasting her 541 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 3: time basically, And I remember thinking he did a really 542 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: good job responding to that messaging from her in their 543 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: one on one chat, and then in this episode I 544 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: thought he did a really good job again of when 545 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: he pulled her aside, just comforting her and basically saying 546 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: like if I open up and be vulnerable, would you 547 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: be scared? 548 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: And would you like me less? 549 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: Like? I just think he I liked. I liked the 550 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: way he handled both of those conversations with her. But 551 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: it's very polarizing to what we see sometimes with him 552 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: and the guys and him. 553 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: And honestly, like least I feel like Sam m in 554 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: his in his defense, he is you know, he's being 555 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: himself and you're not always going to like agree with 556 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: who's someone did every every action they take. But like see, 557 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: he's authentic, yeah, which I enjoy. 558 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with you. He is authentic, authentic. 559 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: And that's what you want for reality. Okay. And then 560 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: last last part of the date or last part of 561 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: the episode is grant date. And this one we have 562 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: real rain, which it looks like real rain. 563 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: This was a gorgeous date. I love the horseback riding dates. 564 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: They're just so beautiful. Yeah, and it's like an activity. 565 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: But you can still talk. 566 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: We should go on a horseback riding date. Really, Oh 567 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: never mind. 568 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: No, I will. I would rather go to a vineyard. 569 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: Okay, we could do a vineyard. 570 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would I would ride horses with you. 571 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: We could ride horses through a vineyard. 572 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't 573 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: know if you should do that. 574 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: Why. 575 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: I feel like the horses might, you know, trample some 576 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: of the grape vines. 577 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: Well there's paths and stuff now. 578 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're pretty thin. I don't know if horse 579 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: is going to fit down there. 580 00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: All right, Well we can go for an ice walk 581 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: through the grape vines and that we can ride horses. 582 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, real rain on this date super picturesque. I 583 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 3: feel like not a lot happened during the day portion 584 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: of this date. I think the night portion is really 585 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: where it was at. Yeah. 586 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: I would say that's also the same thing with Jonathan's state, 587 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: Like the real conversations were had at night, and Grant 588 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of he opened up about his family and his 589 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: father's substance abuse, and I think he just kind of, 590 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, like he opened himself up. That's It's kind 591 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: of like the first one of the first big steps 592 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: in a relationship is when you start just kind of 593 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: like opening up about your past and things that you 594 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 1: just don't talk about to anyone. 595 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And there is something nice about getting a week 596 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: five one on one date because I think when you're 597 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: getting that week one and two date, a lot of 598 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: people feel like, oh my gosh, you know, I got 599 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: to make the most of this time. 600 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: I got to open up to them. 601 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: But it is still so early on, whereas week five, 602 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: you can see her connection with Jonathan and her connection 603 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: with Grant are already there, and they're definitely more comfortable 604 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: with each other, which I'm sure he was probably grateful 605 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: for when he went into the story. But Grant talks 606 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 3: about how his father was an addict for thirty plus years. 607 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: He felt lied to a lot by his dad because 608 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: he didn't know that he was struggling with substance abuse 609 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: for most of his life. And before he came on 610 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: the show, he got fired from his job and that 611 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: led him to check into a rehab facility. 612 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: And he's been sober now for two months. 613 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: Which I was like, Wow, that's amazing, sending lots of 614 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: love and strength to his dad. 615 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we had journey with sobriety. 616 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. And we've had Grant on the podcast, so if 617 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: you haven't listened, check it out. I really like him. 618 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: He's a day trader, so I want to learn a 619 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: little more about that. But I like Grant a lot. 620 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: One thing I will say not that I'm talking about 621 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: Jen because I'm not. I like Jen. Okay, I think 622 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: Jen's great, But in these conversations with the guys, I 623 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: I want to see a little more conversation. I see 624 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: my side. I see like my backstory, my backstory. 625 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: Done by mind. Do you mean like Grant's story and 626 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: then gen story and then done. 627 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 628 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. 629 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's Jen or if it's 630 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: just what we're being shown. 631 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, that does kind of help. 632 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: It feels the conversation went of like Grant tells his 633 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: story and opens up, and then Jen tells her story. 634 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: She kind of goes into her parents, who we've learned about, 635 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: and then her toxic acts, which not him saying racism 636 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: is fake, like that man is viewing some crazy shit, 637 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: but talked about like what that relationship look like and 638 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 3: some of the more specific things that she experienced in 639 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 3: it with just verbal abuse and gasolating and all of that. 640 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: Stories really really impactful and important. But I would love 641 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: to see more of the back and forth conversation of 642 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: like he says something and then she asked him a 643 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: question about that, and then they dive a little deeper, 644 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: like our Grant's parents still together, are they not? How 645 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: has this dynamic with his dad impacted his relationships? Because she, 646 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure was asking these questions because she should want 647 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 3: to know what this means for like their relationships. 648 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: I guess how she can support him. 649 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: I guess also, like you know, I guess, like you, 650 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: if you're dating in the real world and you go 651 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: on ten dates with ten different people, you're more like 652 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: you're more likely to tell you're gonna tell your your story. 653 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: So it's like I feel like with Jen, like I've 654 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: I've heard it a lot at this point, but like 655 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: the guy that she's actually talking to on the date 656 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: with may not have Yeah, like as a view like 657 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: so like as a viewer, like, yeah, you know what 658 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 659 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: It's so funny because I remember with Joey we felt 660 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: like we never saw him talk about himself or his life, 661 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: or his story, or his relationship with his dad or 662 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: any of these things. And with Jen, I feel like 663 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: they're showing it way more, which I'm actually appreciated for. 664 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because gets lost. 665 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Well honestly, like, yeah, like Joey was, Joey was just 666 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: like Joey was maybe one of the best leads I've 667 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: ever seen on the show. 668 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: He was really really good about just being emotionally intelligent 669 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: and being able to respond effectively to people opening up. 670 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: That guy offer nothing, but yeah, Joey was. Joey was. 671 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: I always do think about that too. 672 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: If I was the lead, I think one of the 673 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: things I would be the most nervous about would be 674 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: having all these moments where people are opening up and 675 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: telling me really big, impactful moments in their life and 676 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: being scared that I wouldn't be able to respond in 677 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 3: the best way possible or have the right thing to say. 678 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think, Yeah, a part of me 679 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: would be like I I would I think if I 680 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: was the lead, Yeah, I would feel like I'm just 681 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: not the guy to have these conversations consistently. 682 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: Well, if you're the lead, you are the guy. You're 683 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: the only. 684 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: Guy, like, can we you know, I don't know. That's 685 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: why I think like Paradise was such a like a 686 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: much better setting for me because like our you know, 687 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: even at the beginning of our relationship, you know, our 688 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: conversations were were or the opposite of deep, but totally 689 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: they were. They were a lot of fun and we 690 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: made each other laugh a lot, and it was just 691 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: like and then I'm just I guess I'm I'm someone 692 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: who's a slower a slower build, like it takes like 693 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: it takes me a while where I feel. 694 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 3: Like, but I'm like that too, So I feel like 695 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: we kind of moved at the same pace, which is 696 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: kind of why it works. 697 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, where if you're you know, you're the lead of 698 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: the show, I guess like, yeah, you you almost you 699 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: have to be ready to open up faster because everyone 700 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: else is doing it for you. 701 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you only have so much time. Yeah, but 702 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: that was Grant's date with Jen. He kind of says 703 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: he start he's starting to fall for Jen and said. 704 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: He's falling in love with Gen and he told the 705 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: guys that he even told her that. 706 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he told at the cocktail party, he said, I 707 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: think I'm falling in love with Jen, which was a 708 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: crazy move. 709 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: My dude, Like, I was really shocked actually by it. 710 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: The fact that you said that was crazy. I don't 711 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: think that was crazy at all. 712 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: Really. 713 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: Well, he spending majority of his time with these guys 714 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: and they're probably and then like it was probably brought 715 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: up like how do we feel? And he's like, well, honestly, 716 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: after my date, like I think I'm falling in love 717 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: with her. 718 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: I know, but I think if someone said that when 719 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 3: I was on the cast and it was like week 720 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: five and they just had this amazing one on one 721 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 3: date that was super romantic, and he's back here sitting 722 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 3: there with a rose and he's telling me, yeah, I 723 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: haven't told her this yet, but like, I'm falling in 724 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 3: love with this girl. I'd be like, oh my god, 725 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: someone get me a pair of your plugs, Like I 726 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 3: can't handle hearing. 727 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: This right now. 728 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: Wow, wouldn't bother me. 729 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 3: I'd be happy for him, but I would just be like, 730 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to know that, Like I do not 731 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 3: want to know that, Like keep keep that to yourself, 732 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: like write. 733 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: It in your journal. 734 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: Okay, noe, keep that, keep that. 735 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: But you don't think would bother you. You'd be like, I'm 736 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: staked for you. That's awesome. 737 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say I'm stoked, but 738 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: I would be like, wow, you're you're getting there, like, 739 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: good for you. 740 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: Like if Austin hadn't already sent himself home, Like hearing 741 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: that from Grant dude is in a band at the. 742 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: Door for sure, I would be like, how how did 743 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: you get there that fast? Hi? You there? Tell me 744 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: the secret? What does it feel like? 745 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: Uh? 746 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's pretty much it. 747 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 2: The only the cocktail party, the cocktail party. 748 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: The other guy that goes home is Dylan, who you know. 749 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 1: Dylan seemed great, had a great personality. 750 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: Maybe just he was an early fave but kind of 751 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: fizzled out. I feel like the connection just wasn't there. 752 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: Jenn was wearing purple dress up, so that I think 753 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 3: was my favorite thing I've seen her in this season. 754 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: I really loved her dress. 755 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like, you know, in Austin's the as well. 756 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: It does seem like a lot of there's a decent 757 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: amount of guys on this season that haven't got that 758 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: much time with Johnny. 759 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: I just think we haven't seen their time with. 760 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: John Maybe Devn's taking it all. 761 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: We'll ask you. 762 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: We'll ask Devan, are you the reason that Austin, Dylan 763 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 3: and John didn't get any time with her on our screen? 764 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: We will ask Devin this question coming up later this week. 765 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: That is a recap. Thank you guys so much for 766 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: tuning in to better your happy hour. Make sure you're 767 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: down aload subscribe. We love having you here, We love 768 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: being here. 769 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 3: We will have more recaps and marsals of interviews coming 770 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 3: your way. Don't get to subscribed and thanks for listening. 771 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: Bye.