1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to another Combine Conversation podcast here in the Colts 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor, and the twenty twenty five 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: NFL Combine is back in town in Indianapolis this week 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: for the thirty eighth year, and we're here on Colts 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Colts Audio Network talking with a 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: bevy of NFL Draft insiders and analysts this week regarding 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the depth of the draft and the top prospects. Everything 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: combined and draft related here the Indianapolis area is the 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: nervous system. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: If you will, of the NFL. This week. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: The Combine runs through the weekend and we're giving you 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: some of the best conversations we've had this week with 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: insiders around the NFL. And today we've got sit downs 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: with a pair of NFL Network insiders, Charles Davis and 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Lent Zerlin. Davis is an NFL analyst for NFL Network 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: and CBS and one of the best in the game 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: in terms of analyzing everything that you see on and 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: off the field. Myself and Jeffrey Gorman chatted with char 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Carles and Zerline, who spoke with Jeffrey and JJ. Stankovitz 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: is one of the top draft insiders for NFL Media 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: and NFL dot Com. 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: So we begin first with our chat. 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: With Charles Davis and Charles ways In on the Colts 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: this offseason. Knowing Anthony Richardson is currently working to improve 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: during a very important offseason for him. 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: It's tough to say. Concern isn't so much? Boy? 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: How do I say this the right way? Because I 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: want to say it. I want to say it correctly. 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: I understood why they took him when they took him, 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: I'm not sure they expected to be where they are 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: right now, and that's why the concern is kind of 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: ratcheted up. I think they thought in so many ways, 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: like that rookie year just went out. How many games 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: for for last Yeah, I mean so it got blown 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: up pretty fast. Eleven last year at eleven last year, 36 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: plus the plus the hiccup in there where you're playing, 37 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: you're not playing, and the team seemed to be like, 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: hey man, you got to do it differently. And when 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: your team registers on your quarterback like that, that's always 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: a big concern because now you've got to almost you 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: don't start from scratch, but you have to the trust factor, 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: the gaining things, all that has to kick in. 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: And help for the for the quarterback. All I know 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: is this. 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: Tim Tebow went to the playoffs with Denver throwing probably 46 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: less than fifty percent one season. It's not sustainable, okay, 47 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: And you didn't get to the playoffs last year. 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: I saw where I think it was. 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: Chris Ballard said, Hey, there's gonna be competition in the 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: quarterback position. 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: They got to bring in the competition. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 4: What does that look like to you? 53 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 5: Is there is there are there able bodies out there 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: that that the Colts can get that good give a 55 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 5: true competition to Anthony rich Well? 56 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: You know everybody of course is going to go Can 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: you go get Stafford? Did you go get Rogers? 58 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: Can you What does it look like like if if 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: you're doing Sam Darnold, you're thinking starter right away? And 60 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: is that money you want to do to put into 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: it when you get richardson there? I'm not so sure 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: that's the way you're gonna want to go. 63 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: It doesn't look like Joe Flacca will be back. 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: I don't know one hundred percent, but that's kind of 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: the way it's tilted. 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: And if you go into the draft where you're drafted. 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: Fourteen too, no man's land when it comes to quarterbacks, right. 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: You're kind of right now. We're saying, right now, what 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: is our big discussion? Who's the third quarterback in this draft? 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: Because it's a matter of does a team like Sir 71 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: George Sanders or do they like cam Ward? But then 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: the other one is the second guy. It's kind of 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: like the Peyton Manning Ryan Leaf here. You knew whoever 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: went one the other one was going too. Now that 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: doesn't mean it goes exactly like that, but whoever is 76 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: the first quarter by the second one is probably the 77 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: second one off the board. 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Just a matter of when and where. 79 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: So is there a quarterback in there that you think 80 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: you could bring in as a rookie that you would 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: put him into that challenge? That's the hard part. Is 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: there someone who someone is available in a trade that 83 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: you like? You know, there's so many questions that go 84 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: out there. I'm glad I'm not Chris Ballard right now, 85 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: but if you're Sander's going to be competition. There has 86 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: to be real competition. And that's what Chris and his 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: staff are gonna have to work on. 88 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: Charles. 89 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: You, I know you haven't covered a lot of colts games. 90 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: We're going to get into that. 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: But you are watching tape and you have seen him 92 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: on film. When you watch him, what are some things 93 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: that have led if you if you can pinpoint anything 94 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: on film that that has led to his inaccuracies, especially 95 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and the intermediate passing. 96 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I'm not going to try and play total 97 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: quarterback guru here because I might be committee malpractice and 98 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. Have you not seen enough? 99 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: But I do go back to thirteen college starts. Your 100 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: first year's interrupted, your second years interrupted. He just doesn't 101 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: have the consistency yet. You know, I think it happens 102 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: to all of them. If you just can't go. Let's 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: take a veteran look Shaun Watson. Let's take away everything 104 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: that put it in a position that he was in. Right, 105 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: let's just put that to the side. When it was 106 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: time to sign him, everybody wanted to sign him because 107 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: he was coming off an extraordinary season. He looked like 108 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: the deal. Like, go back to that time frame, Yeah, 109 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: I want that guy. Well, what happened in the intrum. 110 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: He had his off field issues, so he got the 111 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: first he took the year off because he was mad 112 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: at Houston. Didn't want to play for him. That's entire 113 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: season gone. He signs with Cleveland, suspended for first eleven. 114 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: You guys know what that me injury. They're in preseason, 115 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: but when season starts, you got to be out of 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: the building and away and I where they let you 117 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: come back about but about two weeks before your suspension 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: goes somewhere in that neighborhood. And then he played six 119 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: ball games. And then the next year where they play 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: for five or six and he gets hurt. He Plature 121 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: was playing his best football when he got hurt, but 122 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: look how much time is gone. And then this year 123 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: he just did not look the part at all. So 124 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: without that, that's my point about consistency, and I think 125 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: it's even bigger for young quarterback. 126 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: And he's saying all the right things. I think the 127 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Colts are saying all the right things. Both sides are 128 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: embracing competition, knowing that this is a really important year, 129 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: year number three. But as you see it as an outsider, 130 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, looking into this situation, kind of having that 131 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: high above look down on things, Well, what's your level 132 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: of optimism. 133 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: That he's going to come in? 134 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's going to go from forty 135 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: seven percent where it was last year to sixty nine 136 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: seventy percent. 137 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: But the Josh Allen jump, right, and he's watched Joshed 138 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: that through this first three years. 139 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: You realized that was a sixteen seventeen percent jump. We 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: never like what But now it's changed our thinking, hasn't it. 141 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: We used to say that never happened. It can be done. 142 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: It can't be done. How do we do it? 143 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: It's definitely the outlier, but it can be done. But 144 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: what's your level of optimism that Richardson's going to be a. 145 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: Much better quarterback or even I'm sorry, even ten percent. 146 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: My optimism is high. I like this young man. 147 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: I liked him coming out and who he was and 148 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: what have you had the hiccup last year with the 149 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: you know, probably showing enough effort and play you know, 150 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: tap it? Okay, we got through that, right. It's a 151 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: different world for these kids and how they grow up 152 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: and doing things. I'm not even sure he was aware 153 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: about the Kurf fluffle that might have been created. Yeah, 154 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: I agree, because he found out later, like whoa that 155 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: was a problem. He doesn't what does he doesn't know? 156 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: What he doesn't know? I think he's gonna put the 157 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: time in, he's gonna put to work in. And what 158 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: I've liked, and I think we talked about last year, 159 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: what Chris Ballard and crew have done to try and 160 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: help him is what are. 161 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: The size of your receivers? 162 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: Right, and the littlest one you have downs creates separation 163 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: by his quickness and his speed. So he gets open, 164 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: Pierce goes up and gets it right, Pittman goes up 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: and gets it. I don't know what's happening with your 166 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: tight ends. All I know is that Gelong looks like 167 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: a pterodactyl. Like that is supposed to help a young quarterback, 168 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: especially one who has had accuracy issues. He needs to 169 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: benefit from that by putting the ball in a place 170 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: where they have a chance. 171 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: Isn't that receiver for a young quarterback usually no valuable, 172 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 5: valuable obviously, but a tight end. And that's why we 173 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 5: brought up tight ends. There's thirty nine catches last year 174 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 5: in that room, thirty nine. 175 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: Which I think on the surface with surprise me, yes, 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: So they've got to make a jump. 177 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: Let's jump right in. We're here at the combine. This 178 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 5: is a tight end rich draft and obviously. Tyler Warren 179 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 5: is a guy from Penn State that's been talked about. 180 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 5: I personally don't think he's there at fourteen. 181 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: But after that he's going. But you know he'll be 182 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: right in that spot. 183 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: Depending on how it goes, there may be a chance 184 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: that he could be there. But I'm telling you the 185 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: Loveland kid from Michigan is really good as well. We 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: saw Royo from from Miami who'd had a really nice job. 187 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: Mason Taylor from Militia did a really nice job at 188 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl. I wrote down a few of them 189 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: here that absolutely like Harrold Fannon from boston Ville Bowling. 190 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 3: Green is listed as a tight end. I think he's 191 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: much more of an h back full back type of 192 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: a player less full back, more h back. 193 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: I don't see him as a pure tight end. 194 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: But he gets open, catches a lot of football, So 195 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: I mean he's a Conference player of the year. Last 196 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: year was the last time he had a tight end 197 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: as a Conference player of the year. 198 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: Right. 199 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: He caught one hundred something balls last year and chewed 200 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: up Penn State when he played against him. 201 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: So he shows up big at the big games. Have 202 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: you seen the kid out of Utah Keithy take a look. 203 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: I kind of like him, and they actually use him 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: on jet sweeps and things of that nature to so 205 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: he's light on his feet and he can do a 206 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: few things there. But a lot of players are out 207 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: there bringing steel out of Clemson? Is there? 208 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: There are players? 209 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, I think Warren or Loveland and 210 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: maybe both still have a chance to be there. 211 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: At fourteen, that's Charles Davis with us from CBS and 212 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: the NFL Network. I know you got to run, you 213 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: got a busy schedule, but I want to go back. 214 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Why don't you do colts games? We haven't seen you 215 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: here other than the Combine for like five years. 216 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 3: I wish we had an answer for that. Things sometimes 217 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: just work out weird. But I will say this, if 218 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: you take a look at the TV schedules now, all right, 219 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 3: and remember how spread out we are, because has the 220 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: league ever been more popular? 221 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: Sure? So you've got to dole out. 222 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 3: Games, and before the season even begins, you've got to 223 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: chop off the international games. The NFL network's going to show, right, 224 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: you've got to take all your streaming, which is Amazon. 225 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Their Thursday night schedule is better. Remember one that long ago, 226 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: when you go, oh, Thursday night, here comes Tampa Land. 227 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: On Thursday night, here comes back Tennessee. Right, you knew 228 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: the schedule and one and there was always a Buffalo Jets, right. 229 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: I remember they wear the red and the green and if 230 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: you were colored blind, you were messed up, all messed up. 231 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: Knew the schedule, right. 232 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: Remember when Monday night football was struggling and they weren't 233 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: getting great games either. Well, guess what ESPN ABC had 234 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: super Bowl coming up. They're getting much better schedule than 235 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: they got before. Thursday night Prime came in much better 236 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: schedule than they got before. So the pool goes down 237 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: and that makes it even tougher for you know, how 238 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: are you. 239 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: Going to dull them out? 240 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 6: Plus I don't even know how. Sometimes it just works 241 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 6: out weird. I think you get on runs or you 242 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 6: end up and. 243 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: It just depends on how the season unfolds. Sure. 244 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: Two seasons ago, three seasons ago, we did the Jets 245 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: like four or five times. We did the Giants like 246 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 3: three times. Were we did one stretch. We were in 247 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,239 Speaker 3: New York City three straight. 248 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: Weeks, two Jets of one Giants game. 249 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: Just weird year. Two years ago we were embedded in 250 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: the AFC North. It was either Cleveland or Cincinnati or Pittsburgh, 251 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: and Pittsburgh could say or Cleveland. You know it, just 252 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: it's just weird. Now do we like coming here? The 253 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: answer is yes. I still remember our last time here. 254 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: It is Philadelphia. Yeah. 255 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 7: Late. 256 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: It was the second game for Jeff Saturday. That was 257 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. 258 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 5: That when Shane Steiken call them the draw at the 259 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: goal line that you knew before he even snapped the 260 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 5: ball it was gonna happen. 261 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 4: We saw saying wait a minute. 262 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: So a few times I got one round. 263 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Charles Day, awesome at what you do 264 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 5: with the NFL network and CBS. That voice sounds familiar. Yeah, 265 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 5: you know it voice of Madden as well. Actually I got. 266 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: One of them, now I got we got multiple anounced teams. 267 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 5: You're the only one. Okay, you're the only one. We've 268 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 5: been there longs all right? 269 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: Quick? 270 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 4: Yes or nose on the way out. 271 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 5: Does Aaron Rodgers start the regular season Week one for 272 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: a NFL team? 273 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: Yes? 274 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: Okay? 275 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,119 Speaker 5: And number two is Travis Hunter? Will you play offensively 276 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 5: or defensively in this league? 277 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: I cant play offensively? You heard it? I think ownership 278 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: will like him to score touchdowns. 279 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 5: Book it right there, Charles Davis from the NFL Network 280 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 5: and CBS, always the best man, Thank you so much, 281 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: the best. 282 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 2: Great to see you. Thanks always to you. Guys are 283 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: way too good to me. 284 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 5: Welcome back, twenty twenty five NFL Combine Downtown Indianapolis. Now, 285 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 5: if we want to get smarter, we bring in people 286 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 5: like this Lance zer Line right now, NFL draft analysts 287 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 5: for NFL Media and NFL dot Com. I know you 288 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 5: love this time of year. Let's just start to the 289 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: big board, if you will. In your eyes, Ashton Gianty 290 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: is the best football player to come out of this draft. 291 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: Would that be correct? 292 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know. He's not gonna be the 293 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: first player drafted. 294 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 6: But when I give my grades, the highest grade I 295 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 6: had on a player, which represents, you know, perennial all 296 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 6: pro basically is what I gave him, I give him 297 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 6: a special grade. I think we could be looking at 298 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 6: another Ladanian Tomlinson really Okay, yeah, he's really. I think 299 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 6: he's really really special. I mean he didn't have a 300 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: lot of help up front. Sure, And what bothers me though, 301 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 6: is the amount of touches he's had. Man, they have 302 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 6: put a lot of tread on those tires over the 303 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 6: last two years. He's taken a lot off. 304 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: I should say, hey, we're gonna get into a lot 305 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: of stuff considering our colts here as well. 306 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: But overall, how many quarterbacks do you see? 307 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: And going in the first I think I see two. 308 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 6: The coin flip happens when if Matt Stafford is traded. 309 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 6: My guess is there is a plan in place, and 310 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 6: whether it's trading for Kirk Cousins or maybe they like 311 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 6: Jackson Dart, you know, something like that. But my guess 312 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: is there will only be two unless there's a surprise 313 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 6: team that jumps up and has a surprise quarterback. I 314 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 6: couldn't find one that was worthy of probably even a 315 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 6: second round, to be honest with you, because what happens 316 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 6: is when you get to the second round of this draft, 317 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 6: it's still loaded with defensive tackles, still loaded with defensive ends. 318 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 6: You start to work in some cornerbacks, really good running 319 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 6: backs start coming off the boards. 320 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,239 Speaker 2: You start worrying. 321 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 6: About missing out on Mason Taylor, Ted, you know, a 322 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 6: tight end out of LSU. So are we really going 323 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 6: to get the third or fourth best quarterback when I 324 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 6: got a chance to get guys I know are going 325 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 6: to be future starters. I get that it's an important position, 326 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 6: but I just what I found. I did a little 327 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 6: I want to I did a research on this is 328 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 6: a ten year run, ten year run of quarterbacks. 329 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: You ready for this? 330 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 6: Thirty five quarterbacks over a ten year span the last 331 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 6: ten years have gone in the first round, six have 332 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 6: gone in the second round, and fifteen have gone in 333 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 6: the third round. 334 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: Wow. Six in the second round? 335 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 6: Only six And the only guy that became a player 336 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 6: was Jalen became a really good player, Yle Trask, Jimmy Garoppolo, 337 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 6: and fourteen Kyle Trask. 338 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: You have. 339 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: There was just a Will Levis like, it's not a 340 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: good list. 341 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 6: Hackenberg, Christian Hacke, Wow, good job, yeah, Christian Hackenberg. 342 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: It's a bad list. Yeah. 343 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 6: So the only guy that became a player was Jalen Hurt. 344 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: So what I and I tried to say, Okay, what's. 345 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: Going on here? And I realized, well, second round is 346 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: where you start getting a lot of value and are 347 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: you really going to get I don't. 348 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 6: Want to call them the dregs of the quarterback, but 349 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 6: clearly the second you want to get a second tier quarterback, 350 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 6: or do you want to get a first tier defensive 351 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 6: tackle or a second tier defensive tackle. Guys who you know, 352 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 6: who you feel like, have a much higher ceiling if 353 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 6: you're just getting quarterback because you need quarterback. One of 354 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 6: the biggest mistakes you can do is draft a quarterback 355 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 6: because you need one. Because and I know this probably 356 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 6: lead into more colts talk, but if you do that, 357 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 6: what happens is you're immediately your job is on the 358 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 6: line because if you draft a quarterback, for sure in 359 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 6: the first round, if you don't develop that quarterback, you 360 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 6: will get fired. The head coach will be fired, the 361 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 6: general manager will get fired. That's how it works history. 362 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 6: The first person to tell me that was Brian Billick. 363 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 6: I was in an NFL Films mock drafting. I flew 364 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 6: to Laurel, New Jersey, and I was in there and 365 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 6: Brian Bellick was talking and it was the most insightful 366 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 6: things he said. He said, we were talking about I 367 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 6: think it's Johnny Manzil or maybe Teddy Bridgewater. And I 368 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 6: remember somebody saying we know I like him. 369 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: I like him. At like pick twenty two, I. 370 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: Just wouldn't take him at pick eight, and he said, 371 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 6: what's the difference. He said, what do you mean the difference? 372 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 6: He goes, well, why do you pick him at twenty 373 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: two or eight? He's your quarterback, he said, and he's 374 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 6: a first round quarterback. And once you draft a first 375 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 6: round quarterback, you either develop him where you're fired. And 376 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 6: he said, so you have to understand, Kyle Bohler got 377 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 6: me fired. He said, I'm not blaming him, but my 378 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 6: pick was Kyle Boehler. I didn't develop him. I got fired. 379 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 6: He said, that's how it works. And at that point 380 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 6: I realized, Okay, if you're going to put your job 381 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 6: on the line, you're doing it with a quarterback. 382 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: Did you have to have some commitment? 383 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 6: And if you don't have commitment, let him fall to 384 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 6: the third plausible deniability A. This guy's a background so 385 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 6: will Yeah, we hope he develops, but if you draft 386 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 6: him in the first forty picks, your fans expect you, 387 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 6: yeah to do. 388 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: Something with them. 389 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 7: So thinking about those of the maybe the breakoff of quarterbacks. 390 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 7: Then this year, something we've talked about is Chris Ballard 391 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 7: said this week he expects there to be an open 392 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 7: competition with Anthony Richardson and everything is on the table 393 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 7: for bringing in that quarterback who could compete with Richardson? 394 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 7: Is there a world where a quarterback might have a 395 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 7: Day two grade but he slips to Day three because 396 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 7: teams want to invest in offensive line. It's a deep 397 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 7: draft for that or defensive line. And you got a 398 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 7: guy who's maybe got a Day two grade but he 399 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 7: falls to Day three. Could that guy step in and compete? 400 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 7: Is there someone like that in this draft who maybe 401 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 7: is not a high pick, but who could come in 402 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 7: and say, oh, this guy actually maybe is a little 403 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 7: better than we fought. 404 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, there is, But we're now I have to the question, 405 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 6: and I ask you is are we just trying to 406 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 6: compete with Anthony Richardson? Are we trying to win championships? 407 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 6: And there's not a quarterback to win a championship. 408 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: For you in day two of the draft. 409 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 6: So now you know, now we're looking and I'm not 410 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 6: sure there's an answer for Chris. I know what Chris 411 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 6: wants to do. I think the Colts have been snake 412 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 6: bit the Andrew luckfing. They just they were too good. 413 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 6: The Colts were too good with that twenty eighteen draft. 414 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 6: Just you know, really opened the door for the Colts 415 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: to be a special team. And so you kept trying 416 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 6: to like, let's get somebody who can help us win now, 417 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 6: and I get it, that's what you had to do. 418 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: But you were too good. You couldn't draft where you 419 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: needed to for quarterbacks. 420 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 6: And then you had draft where the quarterbacks frankly just 421 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 6: didn't pan out like in twenty eleven. And and Chris 422 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 6: got to a spot where you know, you were the 423 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 6: fourth pick of the draft. 424 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: You had two good quart two we thought pretty good quarterbacks. 425 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 6: We'll see abut Bryce Shunk, and then you had two 426 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 6: that were high ceiling, low floor guys. 427 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: And you had to choose between one of those two guys. 428 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 6: Now, I mean, you'd love it if Matt Stafford were 429 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 6: that were that guy to come in Matt staffor it 430 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 6: helps you. You may win a division with Matt Stafford. 431 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 6: The problem is, well, Matt Stafford one of the come 432 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 6: to the Colts. Well he want to stay on the 433 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 6: West Coast. Is he got where the Colts pay fifty 434 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 6: million plus for Matt Stafford. 435 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: He's an older quarterback. Here's a lot of questions that. 436 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 6: Are asked, could you bring in Jackson Dart if Jackson 437 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 6: Dart were to fall. 438 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: I don't think he falls to the fourth but let's 439 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: just say he falls to the fourth round. Jalen Milroe, Right. 440 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: We'll round. You see Milroe. 441 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 6: He's hard. I talked to an NFL team and loves him. 442 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 6: He's He's a wild card to go on to first 443 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 6: believe it or not. 444 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: For me, I don't like I had some of the 445 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: same problems I have with Milroe that I have with Richard. 446 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: Difference is he's a better runner. 447 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: I think he's more healthy than Richardson, but he has 448 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 6: you know, Richmond had a special arm talent. 449 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: Jalen can make some throws. But Jalen's also wild. 450 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 6: But Jalen's one of those guys that teams could look 451 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 6: at him and say, you know what if he doesn't 452 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 6: work as a quarterback. We got an explosive playmaker on 453 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 6: our team. And so what I'm doing with Jalen is 454 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 6: I'm probably drafting him in a second. He's one of 455 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 6: those rare second round guys who I say, I just 456 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 6: know I got a playmaker maybe, and the league is 457 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 6: such a what happened last year league, Jalen Hurst Guys, 458 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 6: this kind of like when we had Now, Jalen doesn't 459 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 6: run like Milroe runs different than Jalen, but Jalen ran, 460 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 6: and Jalen was a better passer coming out. But he's 461 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 6: didn't throw out the anticipation. It was a pretty ball 462 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 6: coming out of his arms. You may have a team say, hey, 463 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 6: we know teams are gonna say, let's get rushers. We 464 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 6: gotta get rushers like the Eagles. Hey, Jalen was the 465 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 6: second round pick. 466 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: Run pass. 467 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 6: We weren't sure on him last time. We had a 468 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 6: developmental grade Milroe. Maybe you know, and they try to 469 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 6: trick themselves into maybe this guy's just like that guy. 470 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: Real quick. 471 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 7: I want to touch on something here, because you're talking 472 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 7: about the Colts being sort of snake bit in their 473 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 7: process of getting to Anthony. Whether you think Richardson will 474 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 7: work out or not? 475 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: Huh? 476 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 7: Would it be revisionist history to be like Ida should 477 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 7: have taken him forth overall in twenty three, knowing what 478 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 7: you know about where the team has been, and that 479 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 7: being kind of their first shot to go get a quarterback. 480 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Now I think you had to swing. 481 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 482 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 6: I don't like I would have taken Levis Richardson to me. 483 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 6: I think he was wired better for this, I think 484 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 6: is certainly in the way the Colts looked at this. 485 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 6: He was wired better. Is he a pro the way 486 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 6: the Colts want right now? I don't know, but I 487 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 6: know that that he was the right pick for the 488 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 6: Colts at that time. If you didn't take one, then 489 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 6: I mean Colts fans, my son is a Colts fan. 490 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: My son is a massive Colts fan. 491 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 6: I grow I'm in Houston covering the Texans, not a 492 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 6: boy and my saying, my son's yelling and screaming at 493 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 6: the TVs, yelling about not getting you know, he had 494 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 6: a different pick for defense coordinator, and I had to 495 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 6: tell him, Son, you don't know anything about any of 496 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 6: these class stop yelling at screaming and following Colt's Twitter. 497 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: But uh, he was so excited. 498 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 6: I'm doing the draft on NFL on YouTube for NFL Network, 499 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 6: NFL dot Com. I'm doing the YouTube, you know, comment 500 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 6: on every single pick. My phone starts blowing up after 501 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 6: Richardson was picked. I mean, he couldn't have been more excited, 502 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 6: and I know the Colts fan base was as well. 503 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: So I think it was something you had to do 504 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 6: for your fans. I never make picks for the fans. 505 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 6: You got to make picks for the team. But it 506 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 6: was also like you had to take your shot. You 507 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: had to swing for the fences at some point there 508 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 6: was no other you did Carson Wentz. 509 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: There was nothing else you could do. 510 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 6: You had to take your shot with Wentz or I 511 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 6: mean with the you had to take your shot with 512 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 6: Levis or Richardson, and the coach chose Richardson, and you know, 513 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 6: I think they chose right. 514 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: I think Richard still has the higher you know, they. 515 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 6: Got stake bit his rookie year because he got hurt, right, 516 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 6: and he missed all those mental reps. 517 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: He missed all those those physical ups and down. You know, 518 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: you have to you don't know. 519 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: You have to find out what you don't know, and 520 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 6: the only way you can is by playing. You have 521 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 6: to see things that you say, I'm not going to 522 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 6: ever do that again. And so his second last year 523 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 6: was his rookie year, and that's just so tough for the. 524 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 4: Colts and third year TBD is where we're at. 525 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, and it should be that way. 526 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Lance Zerline's joining us right now. This 527 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: is his time of year. 528 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 5: I got a couple for you. If you had to 529 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 5: stop the first round after a pick. I guess what 530 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 5: I ask all you guys this every year, how many 531 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 5: how many first rounders are in this in this first round? 532 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 6: My grades, I think I've got twenty three, twenty three, 533 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 6: twenty three. Yeah, it's pretty low. Usually I'm up around 534 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 6: twenty eight, twenty nine. Sometime I'll have as much as 535 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 6: thirty this year. For I feel like I'm grading harder 536 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 6: this year than ever before. But I think I may 537 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 6: be great and smarter. I just think it's I think 538 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 6: it's more of a great draft than the second third 539 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 6: round than it is in the first. 540 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 5: Let's stay there. Then this team needs a tight end 541 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 5: or some tight end production, if you will. When we're 542 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 5: talking about the Colts, there's a ball of tight ends 543 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 5: out there. I mean, give me a handful of names 544 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 5: that you like, even guys in the mid rounds. 545 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, Thomas Fadon, I don't know if it's Fadona. Fordni 546 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 6: from Nebraska, has some grit to him. He'll block a 547 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: little bit for you. 548 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: Kind of a long levered player who I think has 549 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: a lot of upside as a receiver. I've got him 550 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: kind of in a fourth So he's one of those 551 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: day three players. 552 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 6: You love war and out of Penned State own. Yeah, yeah, 553 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: I mean the top of the look Warren or Colston Loveland. 554 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 6: If you could get them as Colts. 555 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 4: Are they two different players? 556 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 6: They are like, Okay, so you guys are old enough 557 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 6: to appreciate this, and this is a cut you'll understand 558 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 6: as a compliment to me, Ty, Warren is Jeremy Shockey cut. 559 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 6: He's got the swagger, he's got not all the excess, 560 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 6: but he's got that. Like, this guy feels like he 561 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: can do anything. 562 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 7: You don't want to be a linebacker trying to tackle 563 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 7: him with the ball in. 564 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: His hand exactly Warren. 565 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 6: I mean they hand the ball off to where he 566 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 6: direct snap, he goes, gets first downs on third and short, 567 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 6: fourth and short. He makes incredible catches. He is the 568 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 6: toughest guy on the field. His football character is off 569 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 6: the charts. He'd be a phenomenal Colt if he's there. 570 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to get there. 571 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 6: Fourth Colston, well, I mean, you know, I think he's 572 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 6: one of the top five players in the straft up. Yeah, 573 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 6: because I think he's very safe. Colston Loveland to me, 574 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 6: is one of the only six point sevens or higher. 575 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 6: I have six point seven guys typically a top ten player. 576 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 6: I think Colston Loveland to me is going to be 577 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 6: a fantastic out of out of Michigan, is going to 578 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 6: be a really good tight end. He's a gym He's 579 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 6: a Jim Harball tight end, so he'll block a little. 580 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 6: He's not a great blocker, but he's blocked, he'll try. 581 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: He's got some strength to him. 582 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 6: He is really elusive as a route runner, has phenomenal 583 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 6: ball skills. Would be a great cult if you want 584 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 6: another weapon, which let's face it, you're really collecting weapons 585 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 6: now at this point. Once you have Downs and you 586 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 6: have Pierce, and you have Pittman, and now you add 587 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 6: a pass catching tight end, you get to be pretty 588 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 6: hard to defend and you make the quarterbacks job whoever. 589 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: That's going to be way way. I liked it. 590 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 7: You're talking about some of these maybe Day two guys. 591 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 7: You mentioned Mason Taylor. You brought up the kid from Nebraska, 592 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 7: and I feel like maybe Brock Bauers kind of scrambled 593 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 7: all our brains a little bit last year because the 594 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 7: production he had as a rookie literally brock Mike Dicka's 595 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 7: record that doesn't usually happen. It does kind of feel 596 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 7: like when you look around the league and you think 597 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 7: about Mark Andrews as a third rounder. Dallas Godder was 598 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 7: a second rounder. George Kittle was a fifth rounder. A 599 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 7: lot of these guys who are take and on Day two, 600 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 7: day three, maybe we're a little bit more of late bloomers. 601 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 7: Travis Kelcey is a third rounder. Is that where you 602 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 7: can find tight ends who can develop? You don't necessarily 603 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 7: need the top of the line guy in the first round, 604 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 7: especially in this year's draft. 605 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think I think an argument could 606 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 6: be made. Look, I love I got a high grade 607 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 6: on on Colston Loveland. I've got a sixty seven on him. 608 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 6: My next gray goes to a sixty four and then 609 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 6: a sixty three. A sixty seven means very good starter, 610 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 6: Pro Bowl potential, sixty four is very good starter, good starter. 611 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 6: A sixty three is an above average star. But we're 612 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 6: still talking about one of the top twelve in his positions. 613 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 7: Look like a Dallas second round guy, think about there? 614 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the second round pick. 615 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: Yeah see, I think Mason Taylor to me is a 616 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 6: discount Colston Loveland. You got Mason Taylor. And if you're 617 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 6: the Colts and you want a pass catching tight end, man, 618 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 6: go with him in a second. You know, maybe your 619 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 6: game plan is go with him in a second, and 620 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 6: then you know, go get a different position to need 621 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 6: a corner. 622 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: I know Ballard do unusually draft cornerbacks. 623 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 6: In the first, but go with a go with the cornerback, 624 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 6: go with you know, another defensive tackle, depending on what 625 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 6: you're going to do. 626 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: So so you know, do what you do what you 627 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: have to do. It's good to be last. It's good 628 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: to look at that there freely coming. 629 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: Over fans everywhere. 630 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: I'll see you. 631 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: Off your work man. That's great. 632 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: I know you're busy. 633 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 4: We want to get you out of here right now. 634 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 5: This draft as a whole, you know, Travis Hunter is 635 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: a big, a big question mark when it comes like that. 636 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 4: Where does this guy go? Where does he play? 637 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 6: I think he's the first three picks and it's really 638 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 6: gonna I don't He's the first player I've ever Watten 639 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 6: written two scouter reports. So if you go to my 640 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 6: if you go to my scouter reports that you just 641 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 6: type in like NFL Draft tracker, Combine tracker, NFL combine tracker. 642 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: You'll get to all my scouter reports hit participants, and if. 643 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 6: You read him, I've got strengths for him as a 644 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 6: wide receiver and then strengths fro him as a corner. 645 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: Weakness is wide receiver. Weakness is corner and those aren't many. 646 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: Wow. 647 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: And so. 648 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 6: I after watching him and talking to some NFL teams 649 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 6: who believe, look, the best thing to do with him 650 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 6: is you play him at corner and then you get 651 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 6: snaps for him every game at wide receiver. 652 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: Don't play both ways. Most NFL teams are not going 653 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: to play both ways. If you're the. 654 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: Browns, you may say, you know what, let's take him, 655 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 6: but we need we need wide receiver help, and maybe 656 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 6: we'll give him some snaps at corner. 657 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: It's harder. 658 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 6: I think it's easier to play corner and make that 659 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 6: you're living and take snaps at wide receiver than it 660 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 6: is to go and worry about technique and all that 661 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 6: at cornerback. But I could see a team saying, no, 662 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 6: we have him. I did talk to an NFL team 663 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 6: they don't need wide receiver. But I did talk to 664 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 6: one NFL team early in the process that said, no, 665 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 6: we think he's a wide receiver. First, my wide receiver 666 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 6: grade is a sixty seven on him, a six seven seven. 667 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: My corner grade is a six eighty three. So anyway 668 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: you look at it, like the dude is he's good, 669 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: He's a legit dude. 670 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 7: The thinking about like what you know about the Colts 671 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 7: and their process. You mentioned you know Chris Poward doesn't 672 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 7: like taking a you know, a cornerback in the first und. 673 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 7: I think the last time he took dB that I 674 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 7: was Mollie Hooker in seventeen. Is there someone in this 675 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 7: draft who, if he were there at fourteen, you think 676 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 7: is good enough to maybe dissuade that that trend of 677 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 7: maybe not emphasizing a corner in the first round outside 678 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 7: of Travis Hunter, who's not going to be there at fourteen. Yeah, 679 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 7: I gotta go through like a Will Johnson. 680 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 2: See, I don't know if Will's gonna run. 681 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 6: I got a high grade on Will, but I'm a 682 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 6: little curious about what Will's gonna run. He's not gonna 683 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 6: run here, and I need to see him running his 684 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 6: pro day because let me tell you what, Chris Ballard 685 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 6: is not gonna do draft a cornerback that doesn't run, 686 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 6: because if you do that, you're drafting his own corner, 687 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: and then you can and then you can find out 688 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 6: he's fast, and you can say, okay, we can be 689 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 6: multi fasted with this guy. But if you get a 690 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 6: Will Johnson has tremendous ball skills, tremendous tremendous instincts. 691 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: Great ball production, but you find out he can't run, 692 00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: you now. 693 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 6: Limited your defense, and if you're a zone only corner, 694 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 6: those guys don't go into top twelve picks and don't 695 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 6: go into top thirteen fourteen picks. So that's a problem 696 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 6: with Will Johnson is when I see Will run, if 697 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 6: he runs a four or five two, I'm good with 698 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 6: Will Johnson. 699 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: Make him a Colt. 700 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 6: I got no problem with it, uh, because he's got 701 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 6: size and Ballard covets ball production. 702 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: He wants guys to take the football away and that's 703 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: something he does. He does that. 704 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 6: He's long, he takes a football away. So but I 705 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 6: don't know that there's a dB that would dissuade. I 706 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 6: think he's he's pretty much best player available at a 707 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 6: position of need. He's pretty pretty pretty strong with. 708 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 5: The NFL dot Com. Follow him on the Twitter. X Okay, 709 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 5: it's real easy. When you talk football with you, you 710 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 5: make it easier for all of us. Lance Zerline again, 711 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 5: NFL Media, NFL dot Com at Lance Zerline. 712 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: My final one is this. 713 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 5: You look at these drafts, you look at this combine, 714 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 5: and you see the drafts from the last few years, 715 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 5: and somebody says, hey, what kind of general manager is 716 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 5: Chris Ballard? Can you can you put a label on 717 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 5: what he's done in the last few years as far 718 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 5: as he's gotten a lot of act aides and stuff. 719 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 5: And to be honest with you, Lance, the local heat 720 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 5: that this man has been facing the last couple of years, 721 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 5: especially this last offseason is a big one. I want 722 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 5: you to show you know, our listeners and what what 723 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 5: this man does. 724 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 6: Well, look, I think what Chris Ballor does. The first 725 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 6: thing he does is he's see I know Chris pretty well. 726 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 6: So it's maybe not a fair question, but he's extraordinarily 727 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 6: honest with everyone in the building, the players, the coaches. 728 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 6: He will get into it with coaches if he needs to, 729 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 6: because his number one thing is doing what's best for 730 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 6: the Colts. 731 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: And had a conversation, I'll tell you who he is. 732 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: Here's who he is as a general manager. This is 733 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: what you need to know. We were on the floor 734 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: of the combine and I came over. 735 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 6: To him and he's watching quarterbacks, say Anthony Richmond draft 736 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 6: and I said, he goes, Leah, that guy. I said, yeah, 737 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 6: guys impressive physically. I said, but you can't draft him. 738 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, just too much, got too much work, 739 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 6: he needs, he's developmental. He goes, why can't I draft him? 740 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 6: I said, because you're going to win right now. 741 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: You need to win. 742 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 6: And for me, it's like a cya type of thing, 743 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 6: like you gotta find a guy who can win now. 744 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 6: I felt like there were two quarterbacks that you could 745 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 6: play right now. Bryce Young, c J. Stroud and Chris 746 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 6: told me, well, I don't I can draft him, and 747 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 6: I said, you need to win now. He goes, I'm 748 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 6: gonna take the guy that's going to be best for 749 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 6: the Colts in the long run. 750 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: He said, if I get fired, I get fired. 751 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 6: But my job is to Jim Mersey and the fans 752 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 6: of the Colts who pay their money. I got to 753 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 6: make a decision that I think is going to pan 754 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 6: out three to five years down the road, and if 755 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 6: it cost me my job in the short term or whatever, that's. 756 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: Fine, but I'm not. 757 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 6: And you know, and I say that because there's a 758 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 6: team right now in the NFC that's being rumored to 759 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 6: be in on Matt Stafford, and it's a team that's 760 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 6: not gonna win right away. You probably know who they are. 761 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 6: And I'm not gonna because I'm just. I'm just And 762 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 6: it feels like a CYA move. It feels like, hey, 763 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 6: we don't want to get fired right now, the GM 764 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 6: and the head coach. Let's go out and try to 765 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 6: get a really good quarterback right now. You know the 766 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 6: Colts are close to winning. You could go get Matt 767 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 6: Stafford and maybe win the division. The Giants, for example, 768 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 6: I don't think they can not in that division. They're 769 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 6: not gonna win, but they can keep from getting Now, 770 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 6: you bring Matt Stafford over and you draft a player 771 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 6: with the third pick, you head it on a different trajectory. 772 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: I get it, you know, I get it. But Ballard understands. 773 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 6: I think there's some things I disagree with them on 774 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 6: in terms of he's so well, I mean, he's just 775 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 6: he's very traites oriented. And it doesn't mean I'm right, 776 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 6: I just you know, there have been we've had disagreements 777 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 6: on players, and I think that, you know, he comes 778 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 6: from a system of there's certain positions that are first 779 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 6: round worthy and there's others. 780 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: You typically are not going to do that. 781 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 6: I think Chris believes and I'm gonna find guys who 782 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 6: have the ability and we're gonna coach him up. I'm 783 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 6: more conservative. I'm wanna find guys who are ready now. 784 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 6: And Chris is like, no, we're gonna find guys in 785 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 6: the third and fourth round. Coach him up, and we're 786 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 6: gonna get rush. And see, I'm a big believer in 787 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 6: what Chris Ballace tried to do is what the what 788 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 6: the Eagles have done offensive line, defensive line, never enough rush, 789 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 6: enough rush. He's a big believer and he's one of 790 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 6: my mentors, and he taught me traits and you got 791 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 6: to win into trenches. Teams who built from the outside 792 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 6: in are suckers. They typically don't win. 793 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 4: Who's one, I'm sorry, who's one of your mentors? 794 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: When you say that Ballard? 795 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 4: Ballard is okay, I beg your pardon. 796 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's taught me a lot. 797 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 6: So you know, I'm friends with Chris, but you know, 798 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 6: we disagree on some stuff sometimes because he's a very 799 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 6: honest guy, and I'm pretty honest. 800 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 2: Uh but you know, I cheer for the I cheer 801 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: for the Colts. 802 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 4: I want the Colts to do well. And your son's 803 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 4: a fan. 804 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 6: That yeah, and our family, you know, my family went 805 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 6: and visited his family and Thanksgiving, so we're closer when 806 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 6: people realize. 807 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 2: But he's got a job to do. I got a 808 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: job to do. What he understands. If he doesn't get 809 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: it done this year, you know, probably that's probably it. 810 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 5: All right, we all works. All I know is I 811 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 5: need an address. And that kid of yours got a 812 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 5: box of Colts gear calming if you want to do 813 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 5: I tell you. 814 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 6: I mean he wants you know, he had his shack 815 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 6: Leonard ure the Really we don't have that anymore. 816 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: And so now we're gonna I don't know. 817 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 5: I may. 818 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 6: He's pretty big Pierce fan, Josh Downs. He wants to 819 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 6: be a lot too fan. He was very upset. 820 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: He came to me the other day, like, Dad, did 821 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: we blow the lot to pick? I said, son, it's 822 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: been one one year year. Let's let latu play a 823 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 2: second year. 824 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 7: Okay, I gotta say the Josh Downs thing. I have 825 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 7: a five year old son. He is a Josh Downs 826 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 7: Jersey nice. 827 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: I had a first round grade on Josh Down that 828 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: a way. 829 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 6: I loved Josh Downs, had a bigger grade on him 830 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 6: than Tank Dell. So I think Josh Down is a 831 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 6: great pick. 832 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 4: Oh, I got one for you on the outside. I 833 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 4: got to leave you with this. Any success in North 834 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 4: Carolina for Bill Belichick? 835 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 6: Uh yeah, yeah, I think so right away, Sorry, j J. 836 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 6: I had to ask. It feels I love it. It 837 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 6: feels really weird. But I think there's going to be 838 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 6: a three year bump that he gets. 839 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 4: Is he there for three years? 840 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I got three? Is three? 841 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 6: Is my that's kind of I'm only giving him a 842 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 6: three year You know, I'm not going to go any further. 843 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 2: All right, I think you can't. 844 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: I know you're busy. 845 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 5: I appreciate you taking the time. Hey, good luck at 846 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 5: the Everton match later on this afternoon. I know you're 847 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 5: a big fan, and keep up the great work at 848 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 5: lands Airline on Twitter X thank you Lance. 849 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: Thanks. 850 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: Yes, that's Zerline from NFL dot Com and the NFL media, 851 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: and we thank him for his time and also thanks 852 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: to Charles Davis for the opportunity as well. 853 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: Reminder. 854 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: Now, we've got conversations with more great guests at the 855 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Combine all weekend long. We'll give you those on future 856 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: podcasts and The Last Word and more Combine Conversation podcasts 857 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: as well. We're also going to have an AFC South 858 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: Roundtable from the Combine for some of the voices from 859 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: around the Division two. But that's it for this installment 860 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: of Combine Conversations. I'm Matt Taylor, and we'll talk to 861 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: you next time here on the Colts Audio Network.