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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number eleven. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break. We are live for the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and we've got
Speaker 1: an hour of Cowboys talk with you guys a day today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna actually zero in on three guys I would say,
Speaker 1: I guess we probably would all agree. They're probably the
Speaker 1: three most high profile players, definitely on the office and
Speaker 1: it's maybe on the whole team. We're gonna talk about Dak,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Zeke, and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and kind of dive in a little bit
Speaker 1: on those three players and where they were last year
Speaker 1: going into this year, and what the expectation should be
Speaker 1: for them this year. Right now, the Cowboys are in
Speaker 1: their second week of OTAs. They have another week next week,
Speaker 1: and then they'll have their mini camp before they send
Speaker 1: everybody away for a little bit of break and relaxation
Speaker 1: before training. Sounds good, but I mean training camp is
Speaker 1: now next month. I know it's coming. It's coming. I
Speaker 1: just submitted our list the other day. You all are
Speaker 1: on it. Did we get rejected? Well, you know, not yet,
Speaker 1: no one else, not yet. But we'll see if anybody
Speaker 1: comes back and says anything about it. But you're all
Speaker 1: on the list. So get ready start packing amber. You're
Speaker 1: heading the training camp. I'm packing for two or three
Speaker 1: vacations before that, are you Yes, you want to say
Speaker 1: where you're going. You don't want to tell people out there.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna tell us either, like nobody's gonna know.
Speaker 1: Just gonna hang like a gone fishing sign at my cube.
Speaker 1: Starting on June seventeenth, we're we're vacation in the same time.
Speaker 1: That's when I'm talking about vacation. I always like it
Speaker 1: when I take vacation to other people are out too.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about it. I did
Speaker 1: another three or four vacations. I got two, so you
Speaker 1: might want to plan a few, Nick, Yeah, right, can
Speaker 1: you got a right? Can? If Dave's taken three and
Speaker 1: some of them are weekends, whatever, Yeah, it works, all right,
Speaker 1: let's jump in. I want to talk a lot. I
Speaker 1: want to start this conversation first with Dak. Last week
Speaker 1: he met with the media for a little bit of time,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that jumped out to me
Speaker 1: he was talking about being focused on his footwork and consistency,
Speaker 1: saying he's fully healthy, as it was not the case
Speaker 1: last year. And I want to start the conversation there. Um,
Speaker 1: just in a general sense, if you look at how
Speaker 1: Dak performed last season, what do you think is the
Speaker 1: area where you most want to see him improve going
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty two. Uh, let's start start off better.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had too many slow starts in games.
Speaker 1: In games, Um, sometimes they were able to come back
Speaker 1: from that and rally and take care of business. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they weren't, and they find themselves digging a hole there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that whether that's Kellen Moore and him,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that is, but I think that that
Speaker 1: he needs to figure out ways to kind of come
Speaker 1: out hot be better early, and that would help Zeke
Speaker 1: be better and then that'll help the running game and
Speaker 1: all that if you can kind of establish that. But
Speaker 1: that would be one area that may not be a
Speaker 1: specific But I just think starting off early on games
Speaker 1: is something they can improve on. I laughed because, like,
Speaker 1: I don't have a great answer for that. In a vacuum,
Speaker 1: I don't think Dak Prescott needs to improve very much.
Speaker 1: He was in the short list of MVP consideration. Like
Speaker 1: I say this all like I feel like a crazy
Speaker 1: person way that, like that has just been swept to
Speaker 1: the side, and I get it. He fell off. The
Speaker 1: whole team fell off, And that's why it's a hard
Speaker 1: thing to answer, because I'm like, well, I want I
Speaker 1: want the offensive line in the Running Game to produce better,
Speaker 1: and that'll probably make Dack's life a whole lot easier.
Speaker 1: Like I've seen the peak of the way Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: can play, and I think you're nitpicking if you're sitting
Speaker 1: there saying that there's just a ton of improvement he
Speaker 1: can do. I mean, sure, like his deep ball accuracy
Speaker 1: could be a little bit better. I suppose his anticipation
Speaker 1: could be better. That's true for probably every cornerback in
Speaker 1: the world, except maybe Patrick Mahomes. That's what makes last
Speaker 1: season so mystifying is they just they had it and
Speaker 1: they lost it, And I don't I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a tidy answer to that, and it's certainly not all
Speaker 1: on Dax. So I'll challenge a little bit farther. Do
Speaker 1: you said he thought the whole team fell off? He
Speaker 1: said he fell off a little bit in the second half.
Speaker 1: That being said, what were those areas where you felt
Speaker 1: like he fell off? Like, where did you think or
Speaker 1: was it just a situation where you think the team
Speaker 1: fell off that wasn't necessarily about dat well for starters,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, for starters. Yeah, Like what was
Speaker 1: he completely healthy? He says he was. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I buy that, And that's just you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's his thing, you know, Like I can't sit here
Speaker 1: and speculate based on how his calf and his shoulder felt.
Speaker 1: If he says he was healthy and he was very
Speaker 1: adamant throughout the second half of the season that he was.
Speaker 1: So that's how I'm going to choose to judge him.
Speaker 1: But I think that was part of it. The other
Speaker 1: thing too, again, like it sounds like a bad thing
Speaker 1: to say, like oh, you need a good running game
Speaker 1: to be good, Like, no, that's just football, really, And
Speaker 1: I think they lost the ability to impose their will
Speaker 1: in the run game. And I think defense has played
Speaker 1: them in such a manner where they knew they didn't
Speaker 1: need to fear that and they challenged Dak. I think
Speaker 1: a big way Dak Prescott could probably improve his game
Speaker 1: is learning to be a little bit more patient. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he struggled with that at times. He's like, screw this,
Speaker 1: Like how much longer am I going to have to
Speaker 1: take the check down? I want to go for the
Speaker 1: gust though, and it bit him a lot last year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's probably that's something he could probably
Speaker 1: stand to work on. Camber Well, the one thing that
Speaker 1: I can think of is just like his whole game,
Speaker 1: basically his whole game, because I think that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be asked to do so much more this year. I
Speaker 1: don't think that the offense is better than what they
Speaker 1: wear last year. Talent wise, on the field, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of question marks, a lot of doubts. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we need to wait and
Speaker 1: see how it actually looks rather than me expect how
Speaker 1: it's gonna look right now. Right now, I feel that,
Speaker 1: you know, whether that's tight end, wide receiver, the running game,
Speaker 1: the O line specifically, there's a little a lot of
Speaker 1: work and improvement that needs to be overall. And I
Speaker 1: think that based on what I've seen from Dak in
Speaker 1: his whole career, he's the type of player and you
Speaker 1: always say this, They've like, well, that's every quarterback basically
Speaker 1: that they do need help around them, and that is true.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Dak, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think he needs a little more help than normal than average,
Speaker 1: just he needs a lot of components to be working
Speaker 1: the right way for him to succeed or be the
Speaker 1: most successful he can be in the game. And although
Speaker 1: he's improved in the passing game, some of those deep throws,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to put it all together, the accuracy,
Speaker 1: thinking quickly on his feet. I would like to see
Speaker 1: more footwork this year. Last year, I feel that he
Speaker 1: kind of took a step back, obviously given the whole
Speaker 1: injury thing. But I think that he's going to have
Speaker 1: to put it all in this year for sure, because
Speaker 1: the team is just gonna need it overall, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna require more of him speak good. I wanted to
Speaker 1: to actually say Dave's point. I disagree one hundred percent
Speaker 1: with what Dave said. I think it needs to be
Speaker 1: less patient. I think he was too patient last year
Speaker 1: because I think that's what teams want him to do.
Speaker 1: They want him to say, I'm going to throw it
Speaker 1: to the open guy. The open guys shults six yards
Speaker 1: down the field, he gets eight, Like that's what they want.
Speaker 1: He's got to. I think he's got to actually. I
Speaker 1: mean that's why he doesn't have a lot of interceptions,
Speaker 1: because I don't think he takes as many chances as
Speaker 1: he probably should. If you want to get a Marie
Speaker 1: Cooper the ball, or now you want to get Ceedee
Speaker 1: lad the ball, I mean they were trying to make
Speaker 1: sure that they didn't get the ball. Now everyone says, well,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers gets his guy to the ball, Stafford gets
Speaker 1: his guy at the ball. Because they got the arm
Speaker 1: to do it, They're gonna do it. They're gonna throw
Speaker 1: it in their tight window that may not be as
Speaker 1: open as Dak wants it to be. So they'll throw
Speaker 1: it over here to Jarwin or Schultz or dump it off.
Speaker 1: These guys have forty fifty catches, but it's hollow. Are
Speaker 1: we sure that that's not a function more of the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator though, because if the offensive coordinator is setting
Speaker 1: up the offense in a way. Yeah, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I want to point out because I think that they're
Speaker 1: could be a situation where the offensive coordinator is setting
Speaker 1: it up such that the quarterback gets the ball to
Speaker 1: the open guy, and that means that the open guy,
Speaker 1: if he's six yards down the field, now the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator's gonna have to do a little bit more work
Speaker 1: and figure out how to scheme open the guy you
Speaker 1: want to be open, rather than just saying whatever they
Speaker 1: give us is what we'll take exactly. And you're right
Speaker 1: that if that's Kellen, then that's on Kellen. But but
Speaker 1: I just think that that they kind of play into
Speaker 1: the defensive hands a little bit. They're like, all right,
Speaker 1: well we'll give you Cedric Wilson, We'll give you these
Speaker 1: guys and then we'll tackle them and and we'll get
Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah, and there's a balance there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't want you don't want this renegade guy throwing
Speaker 1: and getting picks all the time. So that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing of it. I mean, this is his seventh year,
Speaker 1: and I mean even Romo set it back. Romo said
Speaker 1: he figured things out in twenty thirteen. That's when he
Speaker 1: really figured things out. It's like his six or seventh
Speaker 1: year and literally right there towards the end, you know.
Speaker 1: And so quarterbacks are always figuring things out, and maybe
Speaker 1: that's what Dad can do better, you know, year too.
Speaker 1: How much do you guys think his injury from twenty
Speaker 1: twenty was still an issue for him last year? And
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe not even justin how he played, but
Speaker 1: also in what he was what he would try or
Speaker 1: what the team would even allow him to try. Coming
Speaker 1: off of that injury, he didn't seem like he ran
Speaker 1: as much. So I but they said that going in
Speaker 1: that he was gonna he said, he was gonna be
Speaker 1: smarter about it. If maybe that's being smarter about it.
Speaker 1: I think I went yesterday and I looked at the numbers.
Speaker 1: It was roughly about about one less run per game
Speaker 1: on average. About now. Of course, in two twenty you
Speaker 1: only had a sample size of five and a half games,
Speaker 1: right right, So or four and a half games will
Speaker 1: be four and a half games. So so it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very small sample size that season, but
Speaker 1: on average it was about one less run per game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of raw numbers, I don't think
Speaker 1: it made much of a difference. He ran forty eight
Speaker 1: times last year. The big thing for me is, I've
Speaker 1: said this more time and I can count. I just
Speaker 1: think you gotta you gotta show a willingness to be
Speaker 1: creative with the way that you use a quarterback with
Speaker 1: that skill set, particularly in the red zone. My man
Speaker 1: rushed for eighteen touchdowns his first three years in the league.
Speaker 1: He's got seven cents um and and and to be
Speaker 1: I mean he got he got fed a couple times
Speaker 1: last year, Like he scored two or three touchdowns that
Speaker 1: they didn't give him. And now I'm not even saying like,
Speaker 1: ohments so controversial. No, he got screwed. Yeah, like they
Speaker 1: took two touchdowns away from him. Patriots and Eagles. I
Speaker 1: think so different if he scores right there, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: game is completely different. I agree, because you got Mac
Speaker 1: Jones the whole game now trying to like come back.
Speaker 1: He's gonna keep throwing picks. There are those some picks
Speaker 1: like that. That was a really big momentum but they
Speaker 1: still overcame in. But I still think I think there's
Speaker 1: there's more that can be done there. And it's easy
Speaker 1: to say like read option, but bootlegs um, you know,
Speaker 1: just just moving the pocket allowing him to like extend
Speaker 1: the play towards the sideline, and which I was going
Speaker 1: to bring this up too. I believe his one rushing
Speaker 1: touchdown last year was against Atlanta and he even said
Speaker 1: like he grown manned the guy at the goal line,
Speaker 1: and he was like I kind of had to remind
Speaker 1: people that I'm big, like I can do that. And
Speaker 1: then meanwhile, like everybody's you know, Jerry and everybody else
Speaker 1: is like wringing their hands about it, like don't do
Speaker 1: that anymore. It's like, no, we're we're playing football here,
Speaker 1: playing football here at the end of the day. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to scheme up ten carries
Speaker 1: a game for this guy, but that needs to be
Speaker 1: an element of what he does and it always has been.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that too, was it was
Speaker 1: maybe thirty five to seven or thirty. Yeah, they did
Speaker 1: have a big lead. They did have a big lead,
Speaker 1: like maybe be a little more judicial, but and then
Speaker 1: again at the same time. It's like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't take the training wheels off these guys all the time,
Speaker 1: and not only like that's the and I get like
Speaker 1: the older you get, the more you have to be
Speaker 1: conscientious of it. But like Dak Prescott carried the ball
Speaker 1: a thousand times in the SEC with little to no mishap.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not going to reinvent the
Speaker 1: way I think about him as a player because of
Speaker 1: a freak injury. Yeah, because it was a very fluke injury.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest. It wasn't like, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things where he lowered his shoulder and took
Speaker 1: on a guy and broke a collar bone. It wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It was a situation where literally somebody just kind of
Speaker 1: he felt awkward, somebody feel the wrong way and it
Speaker 1: breaks his ankle. I that's not something that you necessarily
Speaker 1: replicate on us on the next run. Right. There's an
Speaker 1: element of being smart about it, and then there's an
Speaker 1: element of like scared money, don't make money, and this
Speaker 1: is the NFL. You know, I'm trying to remember and
Speaker 1: I can't remember, Like, what did it looked like in
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. Versus the second half
Speaker 1: when they started kind of losing their power. Was there
Speaker 1: a difference between him like carrying the ball or something,
Speaker 1: or like the way he specifically was playing, Well, they
Speaker 1: stopped the run. The running game went down well, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's even crazy, I'm sorry, that was it.
Speaker 1: That was that was a big part and that that
Speaker 1: affected everybody. But the running game numbers were really yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't expect Michaelack to be running the volt
Speaker 1: when the actual running back. But there were one dimensional team, yeah,
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. But I think part
Speaker 1: of that if you go back and look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: really the big change is that teams, looking at the
Speaker 1: Denver game and on, teams blitzed a lot less than
Speaker 1: they were doing earlier in the season. And and if
Speaker 1: you even look at the second half of the season,
Speaker 1: when teams did blitz typically it was the division teams
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys handled it really well, right, they handled
Speaker 1: There was only one game where it was a game
Speaker 1: where they got blitzed, like it was one of the
Speaker 1: top five games. I want to say that they got
Speaker 1: blitz where they lost, and that was the Arizona game. Like, really,
Speaker 1: after Denver teams just realized the same thing that Denver did.
Speaker 1: I think Denver blitz like eight to ten times. Teams
Speaker 1: just started realizing, keep everybody back blitz every once in
Speaker 1: a while, you're gonna force this team to have to
Speaker 1: basically beat you with them, but will let you run.
Speaker 1: You got to beat us with the past. And that's
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys just couldn't figure it out and to
Speaker 1: go back to And I mean, I do think he
Speaker 1: needs to be more patient because that like this is
Speaker 1: this is the long game, and you're seeing this all
Speaker 1: over the NFL. Mahomes struggled with it. Last year. Teams
Speaker 1: played justin Herbert this way. Those two guys have cannons.
Speaker 1: That can mean Dak just doesn't have that arm strength.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't. I'm very few people on Earth due.
Speaker 1: But you see these teams drop back and playing too
Speaker 1: high all the time and daring you to get impatient.
Speaker 1: And so you're trying to force things into windows against
Speaker 1: six and seven man coverage. And the Cowboys great equalizer
Speaker 1: is that when things are going well, they can just
Speaker 1: maul you with the run. And if you don't get
Speaker 1: out of that look and contribute more guys to the box,
Speaker 1: then you're screwed and they're going to run for one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety yards and there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it. And they lost that ability in the second
Speaker 1: half of the season. The line fell apart. Guys got hurt.
Speaker 1: Zeke fell apart. It is easy to forget. And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to let him off the hook completely. He
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money and hasn't lived up to
Speaker 1: the contract. But like Zeke was rolling through the six
Speaker 1: weeks at the season. When did that injury. I think
Speaker 1: he hurt the PCL against Carolina, if I believe, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, four or five. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: they were averaging like one hundred and ninety yards per game.
Speaker 1: Looked good, Like just watching in the eyes he looked
Speaker 1: by the way that was. You know, that's a very
Speaker 1: small sample size. And one of those games was against
Speaker 1: Tampa when they gave up on the run in the
Speaker 1: second quarter. So that's how dominant they were. And I
Speaker 1: get it. Some of those defenses were bad. Philly's defensive
Speaker 1: front is not bad, you know. Hargrave, Cox, cran and Graham,
Speaker 1: those guys like they mauled those guys. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: welcome to the party pal so U. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I think you run the
Speaker 1: risk of oversimplifying it. But I think for them to
Speaker 1: be at their best, they need to be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball more consistently than and I think that
Speaker 1: it all builds off of that, because it's easy to
Speaker 1: play too high when you're not worried about them at
Speaker 1: rushing for more than you know, three and a half
Speaker 1: yards per carry. Yeah, back to the point of what
Speaker 1: you were saying, asking about what happened differently in the
Speaker 1: second half. This was interesting to me. I was looking
Speaker 1: at some numbers from last year. Did you guys know
Speaker 1: in the first six games of the season, Cowboys receivers
Speaker 1: had four drops across six games, average of about bless
Speaker 1: thing up a drop a game second. I mean, in
Speaker 1: the final ten games of the season they had twenty
Speaker 1: four drops, an average of about two point four drops
Speaker 1: per game. Makes me start wondering if in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways we gave Dak a hard time, we gave
Speaker 1: the running game a hard time, and if more attention
Speaker 1: should have been paid to the fact that your receivers
Speaker 1: were failing you in situations where they were just dropping
Speaker 1: the ball. Are we sure that's not an average. That's
Speaker 1: not the way it is around the whole league. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just saying, you look at there's a
Speaker 1: stark difference between when they were rolling in the first
Speaker 1: part and when they took the downturns. Another difference in
Speaker 1: every football season from the start of the season to
Speaker 1: the end. And that's what the weather it looks like.
Speaker 1: And I just wonder if that is a normal thing.
Speaker 1: Did they have any poor weather games last year? I
Speaker 1: was just any I mean Kansas City, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean New York. I mean, you're just playing in
Speaker 1: conditions that I know. New York was a tough one.
Speaker 1: New York was was tough to throw the ball around.
Speaker 1: I just think that might be a normal stat of
Speaker 1: like you don't you don't see that happen a lot,
Speaker 1: and then as the year goes on, it's harder to catch,
Speaker 1: you know. And who's also, what's a drop? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, We've we've found that out with when
Speaker 1: to was here, you know, it hit t O's pinky
Speaker 1: behind him, and then that was a drop because people,
Speaker 1: you know, categorize that as a drop. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I think that might be a normal thing of a
Speaker 1: little bit more drops later in the season than early.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just as a general thought, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, for the hype that was placed on them,
Speaker 1: the receiver cord did not live up to its billing
Speaker 1: even a little bit. Yeah, which, and yeah, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here saying, like, oh, I'm it's kind of nitpicky to
Speaker 1: try to say Dak needs to improve in this, that
Speaker 1: and the other way. It's gonna be harder for him
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I think, ag, you and I
Speaker 1: differ on quote unquote what it means when you say
Speaker 1: a quarterback needs help. I think all of them need help.
Speaker 1: And I hear what you're saying. But like again, I
Speaker 1: bring up Mahomes all the time for good reasons because
Speaker 1: for most of his career he's been surrounded by elite
Speaker 1: level talent. And I'm not even just talking about Kelsey
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill. I mean, their offensive lines have been
Speaker 1: wonderful for most of them, they weren't and we saw well,
Speaker 1: I mean the Super Bowl is a great example. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but even you know, the year he won
Speaker 1: the MVP, he's got like Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle.
Speaker 1: I mean they've had wonderful offensive lines for the vast
Speaker 1: majority of his career. Anyway, there's less talent here now
Speaker 1: than there was last year for Dak. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's inarguable, and I think you have to just
Speaker 1: this is just reading between the lines. But is Dak
Speaker 1: okay with that? You know? I mean think about I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys said, here are five phone numbers to call
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. They've never done that or not that
Speaker 1: we've ever heard. We value your opinion, and you call
Speaker 1: these guys and talk to them, and let's see, he
Speaker 1: said last week. It's the first time anybody's ever asked
Speaker 1: them to do that. Okay, but four of the draft.
Speaker 1: But they're valuing his opinion. They want to know his opinion,
Speaker 1: and so it seems if his opinion was I gotta
Speaker 1: have nineteen on this team. And I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: the reason that he kicked him off the team or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm just saying, if they're valuing his opinion,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they letting this guy go,
Speaker 1: and it's a head scratcher, and everyone around the league's like,
Speaker 1: why do they do this? They didn't get anything for
Speaker 1: It then makes me think that maybe you know, Dak
Speaker 1: is at least on board with it or okay with it,
Speaker 1: unless it's one of those things like we're doing this
Speaker 1: deal with it because you know how that goes with
Speaker 1: the Jones family. It's like there are certain things like
Speaker 1: what do you think and there's other things up this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. Yeah, and that might have been it.
Speaker 1: But two, I think you're one hundred percent right. But
Speaker 1: I think everything you just said would apply the same
Speaker 1: way if you took out nineteen and said eighty eight
Speaker 1: five years ago, Like was Dak Prescott spurring the charge
Speaker 1: to get rid of dez No? But did Dak probably
Speaker 1: see which way that was going and was privy to that? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I also don't think Dack necessarily had the influence in
Speaker 1: the building. But I'm just saying, like organizational change like that,
Speaker 1: like typically doesn't just come out of nowhere. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it sounds great in the spring, and
Speaker 1: then in the fall when you've got to create separation,
Speaker 1: it's another story, That's all I'm saying. So he may
Speaker 1: be in that hotel like man I should have spoken,
Speaker 1: We're just I've been here I've been here too many times.
Speaker 1: I've been here too many times in May listening to like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what we think he can do, and this
Speaker 1: is why we're excited about it. And then you get
Speaker 1: out there against James Bradberry and Dante Jackson I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about specifically. I don't even know if Bradberry was there,
Speaker 1: but the twenty eighteen opener against Carolina. They only lost
Speaker 1: that game sixteen to eight, but I just remember feeling hopeless.
Speaker 1: I was like, they can't do they are not going
Speaker 1: to move this ball downfield. They can't do anything, like
Speaker 1: nobody's open, they got nothing, and Kawan Short is just
Speaker 1: eating Dak for lunch like a like, and there's a
Speaker 1: rude awakening. And six weeks later, Amari was on the team.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Can't you just see being at
Speaker 1: the AT and T Stadium for a game, playing newon
Speaker 1: game and they're six second quarter, they haven't scored, and
Speaker 1: then somebody's were like, Amara just scored a second toime. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's gonna at some point this year. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final, our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, Let's talk about ceedee lamb we'll get into
Speaker 1: these wide receivers and Cede Lamb's role in that room
Speaker 1: and with his quarterback, we'll do We'll come right back
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Speaker 1: er all right, back from the break here, and Derek
Speaker 1: is not welcome back to the break. I do have
Speaker 1: a question, well, will we wait to Whenever you ask
Speaker 1: a question, I know we're going to spend like twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes arguing, So I can't wait. Well, this one's
Speaker 1: because as we see it sit here and we discussed
Speaker 1: the offense, and we discussed Dak Prescott and his level,
Speaker 1: playing level and all that. I keep thinking, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: where did it go wrong? Like what happened last year?
Speaker 1: And I feel like at the beginning of the season
Speaker 1: they were collectively good, second half they were collectively bad.
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm I'm just I'm trying. And that
Speaker 1: goes into like coaching as well, like Kellen Moore what
Speaker 1: he was doing in the in the game, so jet
Speaker 1: like really happened and and too like is there anything
Speaker 1: that's like because you know in years you could say, oh,
Speaker 1: you have Zeke running the ball. He was the one
Speaker 1: carrying the team. But like, I really don't see anybody
Speaker 1: last year in that second half where that was the
Speaker 1: good the only good thing from the offense. I think
Speaker 1: the minute that they put the red stripe on that helmet,
Speaker 1: that changed everything. And that was the Denver game. I
Speaker 1: hate that. I know your kid never but I know
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of people that are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the stripe, don't ever bring the stripe back. I thought
Speaker 1: the stripe looked great. It was, and I don't think
Speaker 1: people want to see because they saw what happened when
Speaker 1: they well Denver, Denver. Really, you know, whether you want
Speaker 1: to say there's a lot of colors involved there. Was
Speaker 1: it red because of the stripe, was it orange because
Speaker 1: what the stadium looked like and what those jerseys? Or
Speaker 1: was it blue the blueprint that everyone talked about that
Speaker 1: really changed everything? And I write articles here on the
Speaker 1: ear is it like yeah, I really though always didn't
Speaker 1: have enough green. I think you can point to damn
Speaker 1: near everything a g that's it makes it frustrating to
Speaker 1: try to figure out. I mean, go go down the list, start,
Speaker 1: I mean offensive line. Tyrn Smith gets hurt. Another thing,
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins. Nobody seem can seem to agree whether he
Speaker 1: needs to be in or out of the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: And there's one day we'll get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: that whole drama, like over some limonds with somebody. But
Speaker 1: and then I think about this too, like even go
Speaker 1: back to when they were winning New England comes to mind.
Speaker 1: They could not stop committing holding penalties in that game,
Speaker 1: and it was like it almost made you excited because
Speaker 1: you were like, oh my god, Like they keep getting
Speaker 1: out of these first and twenties, like they keep converting anyway,
Speaker 1: They're so damn good, and they stopped doing that in
Speaker 1: the second half. I think a big part of that
Speaker 1: is guys getting hurt. Well. And then think about, you know,
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, like starting with Denver,
Speaker 1: what else happens Amari gets covid CD gets a concussion
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, I know there was something else. Somebody
Speaker 1: else goes missing, Blake Jarwin winds up getting hurt to
Speaker 1: the point that it derails his career. That's an understated injury.
Speaker 1: Zeke has a partially torn PCL DAK. At the very least,
Speaker 1: if he wasn't hurt, he was in his head about
Speaker 1: avoiding injury. I'm just gonna say that for him, I
Speaker 1: just he just didn't seem like he was playing with
Speaker 1: the same amount of moxie as usual. So another thing
Speaker 1: that happened too is, you know, and when Gregory got hurt, Gregory,
Speaker 1: you know, hurt his calf, and I think for the
Speaker 1: last few but for those few games, I mean, d
Speaker 1: Law hadn't could come back yet, so they played. I mean,
Speaker 1: they probably should have beaten the Raiders by by seventeen points.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a receiver, they didn't have a pass rush.
Speaker 1: And in Kansas City too, I mean the way that
Speaker 1: defense played considering you know, they had chances there and
Speaker 1: didn't score a touchdown up there, but didn't have any receivers.
Speaker 1: I'm reluctant to even bring up the um the Chiefs
Speaker 1: game because, like I mean, most of these losses down
Speaker 1: the second half of the season were games that they
Speaker 1: lost because the offense couldn't do anything like the defense. More.
Speaker 1: Nineteen points from the Chiefs at Arrowhead All should be day.
Speaker 1: I think they forced they did force two takeaways in
Speaker 1: that game. They sacked Mahomes two or three times. Defense
Speaker 1: played really well. Really the Raiders game is the only
Speaker 1: loss that you can squarely peg on the defense. I
Speaker 1: suppose Tampa too. I'm very forgiving about that Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: game though, just I mean opening night against that team,
Speaker 1: like what I mean, where they did everything they that
Speaker 1: you would have expected them to. Sometimes you just tip
Speaker 1: your cap and say, somebody loses, like I don't even
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here, like if they could only done this,
Speaker 1: It's like no. But she's one of those you knew,
Speaker 1: like when the field goal went through and it was
Speaker 1: like a minute thirty and you're like, yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like I was packing my bag to go
Speaker 1: down and Derek, you know, Derek loves to play that.
Speaker 1: He's like, what do we think, Davy, what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 1: And I was like, they're gonna give up the field
Speaker 1: goal and lose. Derek, Like, I hate to be a bummer,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted you to play a long It's
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It's not maybe you'd give me something interesting,
Speaker 1: but no, it was the same thing that we all
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about And I don't know where you were going with
Speaker 1: before I was still trying to figure out what happening. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Well, no, we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the wide receiver. A great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I want to talk about that's another interesting part. Well,
Speaker 1: we heard this quote that came last week. Clarence Till
Speaker 1: the Fort Art Star Telegram talked to Jerry, and Jerry
Speaker 1: basically told him that he thinks that CD, or at
Speaker 1: least I'm gonna say. The paraphrase of what Clarence wrote
Speaker 1: was that CD will be an upgrade over a MARI.
Speaker 1: And the quoted part was this was relative to his
Speaker 1: production in the huddle and off the field. Now, you
Speaker 1: guys are Jerry whispers, you kind of know how Jerry talks.
Speaker 1: Tell me, what do you think he was getting at?
Speaker 1: Because he specified those three things, what do you think
Speaker 1: he could have been getting at? First from a standpoint
Speaker 1: of production, second from the standpoint of in the huddle,
Speaker 1: and third from the standpoint of off the field. I
Speaker 1: don't think we can go ahead. I don't think I don't.
Speaker 1: I think we've I think We've done all we can
Speaker 1: do to lay this out, Like I'm trying to try
Speaker 1: to lead a horse to water, right, like there was
Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with a Mari Cooper that had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with his like abilities as a football player, Like haven't
Speaker 1: we made that pretty clear over the last four months,
Speaker 1: Like in whether that's in terms of like the buy
Speaker 1: in again, Like I don't have to extrapolate anything. Jerry
Speaker 1: let you know on the radio how aggravated he was
Speaker 1: about not being vaccinated. He I mean, he called him
Speaker 1: out like a damn thunderbolt. Like that's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you're listening to it and you're like, whoa
Speaker 1: he said, I not me? Or are we not me?
Speaker 1: Whatever he said. It's like, damn, he just took a
Speaker 1: shot at his star receiver right here on the radio.
Speaker 1: And then and then you hear other things we've talked
Speaker 1: about it on here, like pulling yourself out of the
Speaker 1: Jets game on the third play, or not being on
Speaker 1: the field on the crucial fourth down at the end
Speaker 1: of the de Facto Division title game in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Like that stuff. It's fun talk radio fodder. It makes
Speaker 1: an impression in the front office as well, And like
Speaker 1: that's those are things that I've heard directly from people
Speaker 1: that's not me guessing. So yeah, and I'm fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: and also we were factoring in offseason, Jerry, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's always optimistic. He's going to be optimistic on this,
Speaker 1: and I'm fine it. Maybe CD Lamb as a number
Speaker 1: one receiver can be better than Amari Cooper is a
Speaker 1: number one. That's very possible. What I don't think is
Speaker 1: going to happen is who's going to be better than
Speaker 1: CD as the number two. The question has never been
Speaker 1: about Amari verse CD. It's always cool you got a
Speaker 1: pretty good number one. What all? What's going on with
Speaker 1: the rest of this. Pip Pippen did a nice job
Speaker 1: of replacing Jordan that year at ninety four, but no one,
Speaker 1: there was not another Pippin Now, that was the problem.
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I mean, I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: he did the best he could to kind of be
Speaker 1: the guy he was Jordan, But no, he wasn't. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying CD could be better than than Amar.
Speaker 1: But the problem is that they have two of them,
Speaker 1: you know. And now Jerry also threw that quote in
Speaker 1: there about Amari should when he should take half the
Speaker 1: field with them when he goes as a number one receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's another like shot across the bowl, Like I think
Speaker 1: that was No, that was when a Mari was still
Speaker 1: on the team. Yeah, that was like after the playoff
Speaker 1: loss wayoff game, which there's some everything that we say
Speaker 1: about like Dak does this or Mari does this or
Speaker 1: first half starts. It all kind of comes back to
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, like Kellen Moore's gotta be gotta be better too,
Speaker 1: He's got to be Yeah, And I mean they all
Speaker 1: do you know you just said it. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of the defensive you know issues weren't really there
Speaker 1: as much. Some of it they were, but I mean
Speaker 1: the offense was the underlying problem here. It does. It
Speaker 1: irks It irks me the way that this gets framed
Speaker 1: into like a CD versa Mari thing, when it's really
Speaker 1: more about, Okay, you've got a pretty damn good number two.
Speaker 1: We'll see when he's available. And also, again, this isn't Madden,
Speaker 1: where the prerequisite eight months go by and you're one
Speaker 1: hundred percent might play. Yeah, I'm so well. I mean
Speaker 1: he might even be ready to play. He might not
Speaker 1: be the same Michael Gallop right away. Guys say that
Speaker 1: all the time. So how good can he be and
Speaker 1: how quickly then you got a rookie, a third round rookie,
Speaker 1: not Cede Lamb, a guy you took in the third round.
Speaker 1: Like we all hope for the best for that, but
Speaker 1: it's no guarantee. It's it's always has been about what
Speaker 1: the rest of the depth chart looks like. I got
Speaker 1: no worries about Ceedee Lamb. It's everybody else. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that finding a solid group is pretty hard. Like
Speaker 1: I'm still traumatized from the time of when they were playing,
Speaker 1: like what did they call it, by committee or receiver receiver? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it adjourned that committee in week seven and traded for
Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, it were coming back from visiting Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. They have the monuments and everything. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a big mess. But once they got to what
Speaker 1: they had last year and you saw the way that
Speaker 1: Tad was just it could be anybody, Cedric Wilson, even
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. At times it was just clicking. It was
Speaker 1: working until it wasn't. But that's the thing like right now,
Speaker 1: and I know it's just OTA's first week was last week,
Speaker 1: But to see two of your guys hurt, not being
Speaker 1: able to practice, I mean, crap, I'm already you know,
Speaker 1: fast forward into the season, I'm like, okay, what the
Speaker 1: heck does this look like? When it was already a
Speaker 1: concern overall, and then you get two guys that are injured.
Speaker 1: And again these aren't major injuries or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: still something to keep an eye on, and every practice
Speaker 1: for new guys, especially rookies and even new guys as
Speaker 1: veterans coming in here, I mean, all of the time
Speaker 1: is very very valuable, exactly right. I Mean that's that's
Speaker 1: the thing, Like, yeah, it may not be major injuries,
Speaker 1: but this is the time where they need to build
Speaker 1: that chemistry, especially you know with receivers and quarterbacks. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean those that that's why somebody's gonna step into this.
Speaker 1: And it was Cedric Wilson last year, you know, and
Speaker 1: it could be you know, Semi Phijoko. I mean, like
Speaker 1: we all we could always laugh and chuckle and like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna do He didn't even catch a pass
Speaker 1: last year. Same with Cedric Wilson. He didn't do anything
Speaker 1: to make us think he's going to be a seven
Speaker 1: million dollar receiver going in free agency. Okay, And I
Speaker 1: don't want to put words in your mouth. I know
Speaker 1: what you mean, and somebody will step up and take
Speaker 1: I mean somebody has to catch the ball, like somebody
Speaker 1: will take those receptions. But Cedric Wilson's road being a
Speaker 1: seven million dollar player was very long. I just to
Speaker 1: give you an idea, like when you think about how
Speaker 1: long it takes to get to that point. Missed his
Speaker 1: rookie year with the shoulder injury, came back in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen and was mainly like a return man who maybe
Speaker 1: got onto the field every now and then twenty twenty
Speaker 1: really had one great game, which was Seattle when was
Speaker 1: somebody hurt. I don't remember why he got onto the
Speaker 1: field so much or maybe, but I think he finished
Speaker 1: with four hundred yards that year, and like one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty of him came against Seattle. Year four, after
Speaker 1: he's worked that hard and been around for that long,
Speaker 1: he is ready to still be the number three. I mean,
Speaker 1: like just to give you you don't just get any point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. If it was not for an injury by Gallop,
Speaker 1: then he's not. So you're right. It sounds fun to say, like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this sixth round pick will step up and plug
Speaker 1: right in and hopefully somebody can. But that is a
Speaker 1: lot of blood, sweat and tears. Like that's why guys
Speaker 1: like Cedric Wilson are my favorite players, because that dude
Speaker 1: worked his ass off to carve out even at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, not a small role, but a
Speaker 1: specific role, you know what I mean? Said than done.
Speaker 1: Yeah my point to that. And this was a mail
Speaker 1: back question maybe even this morning. They kind of run together,
Speaker 1: but like, which which which undrafted player do you see starting?
Speaker 1: And you're like, if you could see it based off
Speaker 1: of right now, they would have. It would have been
Speaker 1: something they did in college and if you could see it,
Speaker 1: then they would have been drafted. I I never thought
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was going to be the franchise quarterback. He did,
Speaker 1: he did? He did? You know it might have been
Speaker 1: because he struggled in our flag football playoff game and
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's not gonna be for ever. For
Speaker 1: every guy that Chris Chris was there, we had that
Speaker 1: we should have won that game. For every guy that
Speaker 1: gets to the mountaintop and says like I always knew
Speaker 1: there's another there's a dozen guys every year who carried
Speaker 1: themselves that way and are gone by October. True. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I never saw this. Cedric Wilson, I never I
Speaker 1: never thought that was going to happen, you know, never
Speaker 1: sol Terrence Steel taken over as a starting tackle. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to see any of those guys. So maybe
Speaker 1: it is a Phoco, Maybe it is a TJ. Vasher,
Speaker 1: Maybe it is Ontario Drummond, who's an undrafted guy. Might
Speaker 1: be on our website right now. Yeah, Frankly, I think
Speaker 1: all of this, all of what we will think of
Speaker 1: this wide receiver group when it comes down to it
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, in my opinion, will
Speaker 1: be about the offensive coordinator. If they continue the same
Speaker 1: way they've played, which is we're gonna just run it
Speaker 1: out there, We're gonna try to find the open guy.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have our quarterback get the ball to the
Speaker 1: open guy, I think they're gonna be unsuccessful. I think
Speaker 1: if the offensive coordinator schemes up opportunities and finds as
Speaker 1: many unique ways to utilize their best asset when it's
Speaker 1: when you're talking about their receiving corps, which is ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: I think they can be successful because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of teams you look at San Francisco and Deebo.
Speaker 1: There are other good receivers on that team, but make
Speaker 1: no mistake of that whole thing started and ended with
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel doing what he does. And I think there
Speaker 1: are several teams around the league like that. When you
Speaker 1: have that kind of talent and the difference between that
Speaker 1: guy and the next guy, it's as big as I
Speaker 1: think it is. Especially while Michael Gallup is out, then
Speaker 1: I think you better find ways to get the ball
Speaker 1: in his laying hands and let him make I think
Speaker 1: you take you take San Francisco off the table because
Speaker 1: they don't have a player. Nobody has a player like Debo.
Speaker 1: And I think you take Green Bay off the table
Speaker 1: with Davanta Adams because nobody has a I don't think
Speaker 1: people have quarterbacks like Rogers. Even my homes is not
Speaker 1: like him. As far as just getting it done with
Speaker 1: one guy. I look at Arizona. Did did Hopkins get
Speaker 1: the ball a lot? Did did they figure out? Because
Speaker 1: you know Kyler Murray and dak A two years ago? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's comparable to me, a guy. You know, um,
Speaker 1: they were figuring out ways to get Michael Thomas the ball.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, can you say the Saints of
Speaker 1: the same way with Michael Thomas was healthy, they were
Speaker 1: very dominant to to him, right, So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's possible. I mean I don't I don't like that
Speaker 1: comparison necessarily with Rogers. People say that all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like nobody's Rodgers, you know. And I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone right now is really debot But but there are
Speaker 1: other options, I mean, other comparisons there. I just I'm
Speaker 1: really march Case isn't another one. They get him the ball.
Speaker 1: They got good receivers there too, the ball better than
Speaker 1: everybody else though, right loaded skill group though, but he's
Speaker 1: he's much better than this. I mean, they get him
Speaker 1: the ball. So I don't think we're really arguing, But
Speaker 1: like it helps Higgins and your number two is a
Speaker 1: top forty pick, your number three is one of the
Speaker 1: better slots in the league. And don't forget the top
Speaker 1: five or six running back that's in the backfield commanding
Speaker 1: that attention as well. So I think you need a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. And that's what I was about
Speaker 1: to say, is that's all well and good. Kellamore can
Speaker 1: definitely improve Ceedee Lamb needs to be a focal point.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be rooting like hell for Michael Gallup to
Speaker 1: crush this rehab because that is the quickest solve of
Speaker 1: all is if he's running routes in August and you're like,
Speaker 1: damn well, like he's way ahead of schedule and we
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to put undue pressure on the guy, but man,
Speaker 1: that would go a long way toward making me feel
Speaker 1: better about things. All right, we're gonna take our final break, comeback.
Speaker 1: I did have one more question on CD. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, where do you think is his
Speaker 1: biggest area for improvement going into this year? And then
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about Zeke in his final segment.
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Speaker 1: com and we were talking about Ceedee Lamb. We're going
Speaker 1: to continue talking about seed Lamb. My question for you
Speaker 1: guys is where do you think is his greatest area
Speaker 1: for improvement. Where can he this year really really take
Speaker 1: a step in getting better as a receiver over what
Speaker 1: he's been to this point in his career. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably lazy to say, but every thing. Be the man.
Speaker 1: I think he's got to, you know, be the dude.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what he hasn't had to do that before. Coach,
Speaker 1: What about I need to improve on to be the man.
Speaker 1: Just be the man. I hope to coach get a
Speaker 1: better edge. I just to start playing like Olive Black.
Speaker 1: I'm the man. I'm the man. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm the man. Just be the man. I just have
Speaker 1: snapshot memories of CD's goofs. For lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: I mean week one, Dak's pick in Week one was
Speaker 1: on him. That's a drop. I have a vivid memory.
Speaker 1: I think it was fourth down right outside the red
Speaker 1: zone at the beginning of the Saints game. They schemed
Speaker 1: him open, and maybe some of it was on Dak,
Speaker 1: but he and Dak miscommunicated and the ball, I mean
Speaker 1: he might score if the ball if if they had
Speaker 1: been on the same page about what was happening. Um.
Speaker 1: Just stuff like that where it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think your your hands are are not as consistent as
Speaker 1: they could be. Your route running is probably not as
Speaker 1: consistent as it could be. And that's It's not to
Speaker 1: say he's like a bad player. He made the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: but if you're going to be the number one receiver,
Speaker 1: you need to get better at all that stuff. And they,
Speaker 1: like what we were just saying in the second segment,
Speaker 1: you got to feature the guy too, like especially now,
Speaker 1: like if you've got CDN Amari, fine, but this guy
Speaker 1: is clearly a step above the rest of your receiving options.
Speaker 1: You can't like go into a game like, well, well,
Speaker 1: we'll get him the ball when opportunity presents itself, Like
Speaker 1: you need a little more of a game plan on
Speaker 1: how to make sure this guy is making an impact.
Speaker 1: He's going to probably face a lot of the you know,
Speaker 1: really good corners, and I think you know, obviously quickness
Speaker 1: feet is good, but probably the really good corners are
Speaker 1: the ones that know how to get their hands on
Speaker 1: you and and and stop you at the line. So
Speaker 1: just looking at CD, I mean, no one's no one's
Speaker 1: ever saying he should be playing tight end, you know,
Speaker 1: convert him to tight end. He's obviously lighting the ass
Speaker 1: and he's lean, that's what he is. He needs to
Speaker 1: make sure he gets off the ball. He's gonna face
Speaker 1: the best corners, They're gonna get their hands on it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be physical. He's got to be physical back.
Speaker 1: So we're finding a lot of things here on that note,
Speaker 1: Like what did you guys think of that a little?
Speaker 1: I don't even know how. I call it an experiment,
Speaker 1: but they tried a few times last year to line
Speaker 1: him up in the backfield, give him the ball, doing
Speaker 1: the Debo esque type things. I always thought it was
Speaker 1: a mismatch, will not mismatch. I thought he was put
Speaker 1: him in a situation where it's a little out of place.
Speaker 1: You guys agree with that, or you think you want
Speaker 1: to see more of it. I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: I don't want him carrying the ball to the degree
Speaker 1: that Debo did. No, But like, see, but what you remember,
Speaker 1: and I know what you remember is when he did
Speaker 1: it against Washington and got his ass lit up. Yes
Speaker 1: I do. But what you've probably forgotten is when he
Speaker 1: did it against San Francisco in twenty twenty and scored
Speaker 1: from eighteen yards out. Like you're right, You're right. I
Speaker 1: didn't think about it. He's got good vision, he's fast, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm down with it, as long as you're judicious about
Speaker 1: when you do it and getting tackled as part of football.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as Dak Like, I'm fine with
Speaker 1: him doing it. I think he's got the potential to
Speaker 1: make big plays that way, just you know, but there's
Speaker 1: no need for him to top out at more than
Speaker 1: like fifteen to twenty carries us sets. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why the running backs aren't six two
Speaker 1: and sixty three, and if they are, they look like
Speaker 1: Derek Henry, which you know, good luck with that. But
Speaker 1: that's a lot of target to hit. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what happened. I'll play he does kind of run
Speaker 1: high and all that. Now he had to run against
Speaker 1: the Chargers, I believe, around kind of close to the
Speaker 1: red zone goal line where it was like a draw
Speaker 1: and you know, it just kind of that was when
Speaker 1: that that hat first half kill. I was just hitting
Speaker 1: them with everything and he had a draw there. It
Speaker 1: was about fifteen yards first down and right behind Terrence Steele.
Speaker 1: It was just like, what's going on here? This is great,
Speaker 1: you know, but so in Spurts, but then again he was.
Speaker 1: Now he's the number one guy. It's the same as
Speaker 1: the punt return. Do we expect him to be the
Speaker 1: punt returner? And he's got different duties now as the
Speaker 1: number one receiver and that's what they need, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just don't think he's special at running it
Speaker 1: and special as a punt return. So if you're not
Speaker 1: going to be special, then I think you stick to
Speaker 1: being special number one receiver and we find someone else
Speaker 1: to do that stuff. All right, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: running back position. I want to talk about Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: It was in San Francisco. It was Philly that he
Speaker 1: did that again. Sorry, okay, he had the on site
Speaker 1: recovery against I can't remember either one of them. I
Speaker 1: just remember the run, Like I don't remember who they
Speaker 1: were playing. I just remember the run, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of good. I like that. Give
Speaker 1: me some more of that. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott at his best, assuming he's healthy. What do
Speaker 1: you think is the best case scenario for him this
Speaker 1: season and what the Cowboys should be expecting from him
Speaker 1: this season at his best, at his best twelve hundred
Speaker 1: yards and ten touchdowns. Pretty good, man. Yeah, what do
Speaker 1: he had last year? He had a thousands yards eight
Speaker 1: touchdowns something like that. I mean it was a thousand yards.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's still a thousand and three. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like, oh yeah, he just Scott, he
Speaker 1: like fell over the line. A thousand and two and
Speaker 1: ten and ten Okay, but again, I'll bet you four
Speaker 1: of those came in the first like four weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, twelve and twelve. Then that's best case, gage.
Speaker 1: I mean his average his average yards per tempt were
Speaker 1: four point two. Great. Yeah, not worse obviously, but you
Speaker 1: probably expect a little more from every year. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: expect that a little bit more from him based on
Speaker 1: his history. Well, I see a lot of people saying,
Speaker 1: you know, how he's running out of juice and all that.
Speaker 1: But I still have faith in him, Like I'm still
Speaker 1: I still think he can give you what you need,
Speaker 1: you know, in order for you to have a successful
Speaker 1: balanced offense where the running game is working and where
Speaker 1: the passing game is working. He's the guy that It's
Speaker 1: just the oline was not helping him at all last year,
Speaker 1: and that's a big problem. They need to fix the
Speaker 1: O line, and I truly believe that if the old
Speaker 1: line is improved from what it was last year and
Speaker 1: can manage and handle their own game, Zeke will be
Speaker 1: able to get the job done, the job that you
Speaker 1: need to get done. I don't think he his game
Speaker 1: is far from being completely over. And I know that
Speaker 1: like quote unquote, like the life expectancy of a running back,
Speaker 1: it's pretty short. But I still think that he can
Speaker 1: give you a pretty good season this year. Do you
Speaker 1: buy into the PFF stuff, you know, the you know
Speaker 1: their grades and all that kind of stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes, I mean they had him as the number
Speaker 1: one blocking running back in the NFL. I don't doubt that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen not just not just saying you know,
Speaker 1: he's pretty good at it, I mean he's he's the
Speaker 1: best at it, which which you have to factor that
Speaker 1: in when you're like, why is Tony poll done on
Speaker 1: the field? And I think it's a simple approach to
Speaker 1: just say, if you want to if you want to
Speaker 1: pass block, put Zeke in, and if you want to
Speaker 1: run to the outside, put Tony in. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: like that. Those plays changed like that, So um, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why. There's a reason why Derek. There a
Speaker 1: reason why Zeke's on the field all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is. Because he's a good blocker, which like people
Speaker 1: people want to write that off so bad. They're like,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like we need the more explosive player,
Speaker 1: and I get Look, I want Tony Poller to touch
Speaker 1: the ball more. I think it's insane that he doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I wish we could go back and chart.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should. That would be a time consuming project,
Speaker 1: but like, how many throws has Dak gotten off because
Speaker 1: of what Zeke does in that department? You ever heard
Speaker 1: of christ episode of Training Camp? Dave got it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna got it over to you, and you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: us he's I mean, he's great at and I mean
Speaker 1: the fun thing, like, we know exactly what Zeke's output
Speaker 1: looks like if everything's clicking the way it's supposed to.
Speaker 1: We've seen it. We've seen it plenty of times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards and ten touchdowns. But he's twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He will be twenty seven by the time we get
Speaker 1: to ox and Ard. That's so funny that that he's
Speaker 1: carried that's old. I mean, you know, he's been planned
Speaker 1: since he was running back. I know, but it is,
Speaker 1: it is, and he's he's been He's almost he'll hit
Speaker 1: two thousand career touch this season if he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of my life. You mentioned in the
Speaker 1: blocking game and how he blocks and all that, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that that isn't a like a part of
Speaker 1: his game that people tend to forget. And I have
Speaker 1: so many plays like that. I vividly can remember where
Speaker 1: he just goes in and he's not afraid to block whatsoever.
Speaker 1: He goes in and sometimes he gets he just bounces back,
Speaker 1: but he gives it his all and it's enough, and
Speaker 1: it's like he really helps in that way, even though
Speaker 1: it doesn't show in stats. Twice a game last season,
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, that was really cool, but make
Speaker 1: sure you go back and look at the fact that
Speaker 1: it only happened because Zeke laid out in front of
Speaker 1: that guy he blocked. One of the most amazing plays
Speaker 1: he's ever made was when he took out two forty
Speaker 1: nine ers at once. I don't know if he did
Speaker 1: it on purpose, but he did it. Yeah, he got
Speaker 1: one guy with his upper body and like tripped the
Speaker 1: other guy. I don't remember what happened with the past,
Speaker 1: but Dak would have been mauled if he hadn't done it.
Speaker 1: Here's something that just off topic a little bit, but
Speaker 1: about in baseball. You know, they do a pitch count
Speaker 1: and they're like, everyone keeps up, Okay, this is his
Speaker 1: eighty third pitch. Well, he's thrown over the first seven times.
Speaker 1: He's He's opens up every inning with a couple of fastballs,
Speaker 1: so you can say he's pitched eighty three times. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's the same with the running backs. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got this many touches. You're not counting the seven
Speaker 1: collisions he had with their middle linebacker. You know, so
Speaker 1: that that goes through Like you said, Ambership, he is
Speaker 1: like he's not, I mean afraid of anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has always played with that fearless, you know, mentality.
Speaker 1: So the fact that this is his seventh year and
Speaker 1: we're still thinking he can be a you know if
Speaker 1: the thousand yard twelve hundred yard runner, I mean I
Speaker 1: think I think it's it's been pretty good. I mean
Speaker 1: he's had he's had a good career, but his contract
Speaker 1: calls for him to be a great player right now.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he can be great, but
Speaker 1: twelve and twelve would be pretty great for a running back.
Speaker 1: It would be, but it comes with a lot of concern.
Speaker 1: I mean it, So you're counting on the dirt ability
Speaker 1: of a guy entering his seventh season who's been a
Speaker 1: work workhorse all seven seasons. Even the year he got suspended,
Speaker 1: he had two hundred and fifty carries. And how confident
Speaker 1: are we that the offensive line will be quote unquote fixed?
Speaker 1: So what do you think is the bigger issue? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's that there's been somewhat of a decline
Speaker 1: maybe in certain skills for Zeke, or do you think
Speaker 1: the bigger issue is the offensive line? If he gets holes,
Speaker 1: he can be up there with the very best running
Speaker 1: backs in the league. I thought he looked as good
Speaker 1: as he had since his rookie year through the first
Speaker 1: five weeks of last season. And it's not to say
Speaker 1: better than he was as a rookie, but as good
Speaker 1: like he had. He looked more explosive, he looked more decisive.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know, sorry, Nick, I know you
Speaker 1: can't do this, but like you, if you calculate his
Speaker 1: first six week numbers for the whole season, You're talking
Speaker 1: about thirteen to fifteen hundred yards like that's how he
Speaker 1: was playing. So I put it more on the offensive
Speaker 1: line too, because also when you look at look at
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, that was the year before he got there,
Speaker 1: that offensive line was pretty good. I mean, Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, Travis Frederick, they were really good offensive line.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Darren McFadden at the end of his career,
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris at the end of his career. Still if
Speaker 1: the blocking is there, we saw those guys have some
Speaker 1: good games. I mean eleven hundred yards rushing for Darren
Speaker 1: McFadden at the very end of his career. So when
Speaker 1: that line is there, those guys can still block. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's the bigger issue is that they took
Speaker 1: a bigger drop than Zeke did. That's how I see
Speaker 1: it too, where he's no longer the player that can
Speaker 1: like how he was at first, where he could create holes.
Speaker 1: If there wasn't one, he could just bust through there
Speaker 1: and make it happen. He's no longer that type of player.
Speaker 1: The way I see it, he's the type of player
Speaker 1: that does need the help from his teammates and the
Speaker 1: old line. So that's the biggest difference in my eyes
Speaker 1: at least, that he went from being the guy that
Speaker 1: could make it all happen all on its own and
Speaker 1: get even straight yards having like five man on top
Speaker 1: of him to being the guy that, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: do need a little help, like help me out. We're
Speaker 1: a team here. I was going to disagree with you
Speaker 1: a little bit, but then ever thought of Week one
Speaker 1: against the Bucks. Does rookie Zeke Truck that guy at
Speaker 1: the goal line when Jarwin misses his block and it's
Speaker 1: just him and some journeyman corner or that you've never
Speaker 1: heard of, like Zeke Truck's him and he didn't and
Speaker 1: I And that's that's just one example. But you're right,
Speaker 1: he does. He doesn't finish the runs like he would
Speaker 1: like he did before. But east, you know, he still
Speaker 1: need the holes. But you're right, he needs a little
Speaker 1: bit of help. There. They all that's the theme of everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: help help the guys. Yeah, Like basically their team has
Speaker 1: to be better, is I guess what I'm hearing from
Speaker 1: all these three guys were talking about they need everybody
Speaker 1: around them to also, they need they need some jay
Speaker 1: Ron curses. That's what they need. They need three of
Speaker 1: those these. I didn't think he was going to be
Speaker 1: that good. They do. They know they need curse to
Speaker 1: be That's I'm not I think you're right. What's scary
Speaker 1: is like the track record of those guys not being
Speaker 1: Jayron Cursh's way longer than the track record of like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, the best player on our defense is the
Speaker 1: guy we signed for pennies like that, just the guy
Speaker 1: the guys that have to do it, or Tyler Beotis
Speaker 1: has to take that leap that Terren Steele did. James
Speaker 1: Washington has to be the guy that you know that
Speaker 1: he was maybe that his second year in his career
Speaker 1: and he's going to get opportunities. And then maybe somebody
Speaker 1: on defense, you know, just another guy like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's maybe Layton comes back and has a really good year,
Speaker 1: or maybe one of those eleven pass rush. Yeah. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: the list of the list of people that we need
Speaker 1: to show us more than what we've seen to this
Speaker 1: point is awfully alarming in my opinion. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: he comes down to the offensive, like you mentioned Beyotish,
Speaker 1: but I think just as much like what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: was Tyler Smith gonna do? Can he be better than
Speaker 1: Connor Williams? If he could be especially in the Running Game.
Speaker 1: If he could be better than Connor Williams in the
Speaker 1: Running Game, your Running Game should be back on track,
Speaker 1: except you need Tyron Smith to stay health and guy.
Speaker 1: That to me is the big question mark that I
Speaker 1: don't think right now there's an answer for because I
Speaker 1: feel very I feel really comfortable saying I think Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith's gonna better than the Running Game than Connell Williams.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen at left tackle because
Speaker 1: I would bet money that he's not gonna play seventeen games.
Speaker 1: And if that's going to be the case, who's the guy,
Speaker 1: who's the guy that's gonna be out there at left tackle,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be protecting here, who's gonna be protecting your quarterback?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the guy that's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: make things work like that? That's the part to me
Speaker 1: that I just don't know that there's a great answer
Speaker 1: for it, and I'm that's where I think most of
Speaker 1: their success offensively is going to come down to those
Speaker 1: two spots and what happens at those two spots, Tyansecky
Speaker 1: go get him, call him in August and say hey,
Speaker 1: we need you after all. I don't that's I don't
Speaker 1: know how bad is that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, but
Speaker 1: it's you know, the best jokes are born out of
Speaker 1: some kernel of truth. Honestly, I'm betting on well, let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping and praying that got him play. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that's always the whole size. Well, then you see him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you guys talked about
Speaker 1: it last week, but it's like he's literally one of
Speaker 1: the biggest guys on there. Okay, cool, but you know
Speaker 1: the big guys. Sometimes it just looked kind of like
Speaker 1: sloppy and like, yeah, so he I mean, I practiced
Speaker 1: last week. That's one of the things that I noticed.
Speaker 1: He's just a little wobbly. I don't know who was
Speaker 1: on the schedule top Heavy, and I don't know who
Speaker 1: was on the schedule for North Dakota. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: there's no tank. Lawrence is probably on the other side
Speaker 1: of the line. And I mean, but he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna face some of that a lot of that. See
Speaker 1: what the Buccaneers did yesterday, Yeah I did, and that
Speaker 1: that was I thought of you immediately, Dave, because you
Speaker 1: always those are the kinds of moves You're like, it's
Speaker 1: just it's a share m Hicks. Hicks one of the better,
Speaker 1: one of the better, big body Dca. He doesn't stay
Speaker 1: healthy all the time. But when he's healthy, him and
Speaker 1: Vita like, that's that. Good luck with that. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you're gonna handle those two in the middle
Speaker 1: of that defense. Well you don't. You don't mess with them.
Speaker 1: You times like they did and week one when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys playing, when you suspect both of them are going
Speaker 1: to be healthy, that's gonna be a that's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, every every player got got a
Speaker 1: little and they have they got some ego to him.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a lot out of that out of
Speaker 1: Zach Martin other than one time this last year he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm a right guard. That's what I am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I have no desire. I just wonder, I just
Speaker 1: wonder if if when in the game plan is we're
Speaker 1: not even gonna mess with these guys in the middle,
Speaker 1: if he's just like, dude, let me block the guy. Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know and Doma consumed he stomped his
Speaker 1: way around for ten year, twelve years, But I can
Speaker 1: block him, you know. I mean, I know he did
Speaker 1: it once, but I say that that's well, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was He's been a really good play really good. He
Speaker 1: wrecked that playoff games next to Aaron Donald. He was
Speaker 1: the one that was given problems. But I just think
Speaker 1: that I've said it before. I think I think they
Speaker 1: would have had a different game plan if Zach was
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think they go away from the middle.
Speaker 1: Speaking of what he did in that playoff game, would
Speaker 1: would that be the kind of move like, would you
Speaker 1: have the same kind of reaction that you had about Hicks?
Speaker 1: Would you have that same kind of reaction if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were to go out and get in Dominican sue,
Speaker 1: he's still sitting I think he's still sitting out there
Speaker 1: as a free agent, isn't he? Yeah, I signed. I
Speaker 1: would be very excited if the Cowboys signed a great
Speaker 1: player at an affordable price. What's not to love about that? Yes,
Speaker 1: I maybe thinking now, but I thought I thought I
Speaker 1: saw that he was still a free agent. He's still
Speaker 1: he's still which and I'm I mean Keem Hicks just
Speaker 1: took his spot in the Bucks lineup, So how about
Speaker 1: I mean we we've heard whispers about heard whispers about
Speaker 1: the name Anthony Barr, Like there are still things they
Speaker 1: could do that would make me happy. Yes, if a
Speaker 1: Chiem Hicks was on this team, I'd be like it
Speaker 1: was a pretty good call. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah you
Speaker 1: still it's June first, by the way, so that Lyle
Speaker 1: money just hit the bank account, right, We're rich. Go
Speaker 1: do something with it, somebody. It's not too late. You
Speaker 1: got time to upgrade this roster before the game starts,
Speaker 1: all right, to worry about the future, not this season.
Speaker 1: There's only so much pie. I've been told that beforegging ahead.
Speaker 1: Dak is supposed to me Dak is counting forty million
Speaker 1: a year, and he has not counted close to forty
Speaker 1: million a year no yet, So it's some pert he's
Speaker 1: coming more than what you're saying is true. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean and Dama kinsou wouldn't want to play a
Speaker 1: year here for six million dollars or I don't know
Speaker 1: how much it would cost to get him, But there
Speaker 1: there's ways they could improve this team if they really
Speaker 1: wanted to. That's all I'm saying it. Then appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Joann Us will be back next week or these guys
Speaker 1: will be back next week. I will not be here,
Speaker 1: but you three will be better in that bak. Early, No,
Speaker 1: I got to go out and talk to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Oh right right right, our NFL meetings. So all yeah,
Speaker 1: the door, I'm gonna walk right up. We'll have a
Speaker 1: seat and have some talks. So I'll be gone. You
Speaker 1: guys will be here. We'll talk about the OTAs, and
Speaker 1: then the final week of our shows will happen the
Speaker 1: week following that, when mini camps are happening. We'll have
Speaker 1: a lot to content that week. There will be interviews, players, coaches,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So make sure you check
Speaker 1: us out the next couple of weeks for Nickipman, Dave
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