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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up sucks. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 1: Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, as always,

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Speaker 1: joined by Matt Muney Smith. Buddy, We are less than

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Speaker 1: a week away from the NFL Scouting Combine Q and

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Speaker 1: A with the fans today, but I cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: next week. We got a lot of surprises, we do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of going through the questions to

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Speaker 2: prep for today's pod, and I know there was kind

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Speaker 2: of there were a couple in there about the combine,

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Speaker 2: but I'll just kind of knock one out, sorry, Chris

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Speaker 2: real quick, you know, because you said the combine. When

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Speaker 2: are we gonna start hearing from coaches at the combine?

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Speaker 2: I think we'll probably catch up with a couple of

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Speaker 2: the coaches. Position coaches go out to the combine to

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Speaker 2: evaluate the talent they fly in for the day of

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Speaker 2: the drills for their respective position groups that they coach,

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Speaker 2: and so the hope is that we'll catch up with

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Speaker 2: a few of them while we're out there. But I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Obviously used to cover the Combine for a decade plus

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Speaker 2: with the NFL Network and NFL dot Com. Some of

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Speaker 2: my favorite things, if not my favorite thing I've ever

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Speaker 2: done in sports. When they, you know, before the NFL

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Speaker 2: on the field. They would let me just have complete

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Speaker 2: free reign of the field with Bucky dj when he

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Speaker 2: first got started, lanzerline, Ike Taylor, Maurice Jones, Drew, They're

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Speaker 2: about seven or eight of us, and we just had

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Speaker 2: all access. We could go anywhere, stand exactly wherever we wanted.

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Speaker 2: I was maybe ten feet from Justin Herbert during his

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Speaker 2: throwing drills when he came out. I remember the RG

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Speaker 2: three and Andrew luckyar standing at the finish line when

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Speaker 2: they're running their forties, watching Andrew Luck doing the vert

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Speaker 2: and the broad jump, and so the combine has always

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Speaker 2: had a I've always had a very special connection. You know.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. I know some people think it's

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Speaker 2: a bit ridiculous, but just having been in the thick

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Speaker 2: do know how important it is and how much can

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Speaker 2: change coming out of the combine. People try to minimize it,

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Speaker 2: but I've seen it firsthand. I've seen Tron Armstead go

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Speaker 2: from someone absolutely nobody knew who he was Arkansas pine

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Speaker 2: Bluff to a mid round pick, and now one of

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Speaker 2: the best should have been a first round pick, but

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Speaker 2: everyone's still like, eh, I don't know about the production,

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Speaker 2: but you could see it on the field, just the

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Speaker 2: way he moved. Things like that end up happening every

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Speaker 2: single year at the Combine, So I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite event on the NFL calendar by far.

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Speaker 1: I think the Draft is second. Everybody has hope in March,

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Speaker 1: and there's just so many things happening at the Combine. Money,

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Speaker 1: independent of the workouts and the interviews. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a starter free agency, just new coaches especially. I think

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Speaker 1: the last time I was there was the Herbert year

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Speaker 1: more magnified. So I can't wait to dig in and

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Speaker 1: talk to some of the position coaches and just look

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Speaker 1: at some of these prospects, because at number five overall,

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Speaker 1: we talked to Joe a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like this is a team that

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is just contingent on the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Like the quarterbacks don't affect the Chargers because they don't

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Speaker 1: need one, but they do because if somebody wants one

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Speaker 1: and one's available at number five. Overall, you may get

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Speaker 1: this class is so strong, and I think they're projecting

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Speaker 1: that this class in comparison to next year's class, if

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's not close as far as just especially

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Speaker 2: guess Quinn Youwers is probably the headliner as it stands

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Speaker 2: the Falcons and JJ is is going to end up

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Speaker 2: being a very popular quarterback by the time the draft

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Speaker 2: I suspect I'd be very surprised if someone didn't trade

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Speaker 2: light of what brock Purty has done. You know, someone

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be I think about the Rams, the Vikings

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we dove into this last week a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Would you trade with the Broncos or Raiders knowing that

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Speaker 2: But uh, the with the Broncos to Chris that they're

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Speaker 2: you're going to trade back to twelve or thirteen, you're

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Speaker 2: You know, another three next year like that. That's gonna

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Speaker 2: that's a big drop. You know, when you're going seven

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Speaker 2: you know, something like that. So to me, because we

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Speaker 2: this is really it's a top heavy draft, but it's

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Speaker 2: me would ultimately like whatever, you know what, We're not

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Speaker 2: gonna worry about JJ McCarthy to the Broncos or the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: If they're the ones that are gonnaive us their second

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Speaker 2: with Justin Herbert is maybe being the best quarterback you

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Speaker 2: You know, all due respect to Patrick Mahomes, but just

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Speaker 2: someone who has the ability to perhaps dethrone him with

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Speaker 1: The Patriots are the biggest wildcard here because if we

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Speaker 1: the Commanders are going to select their quarterback of the future,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots they have a young roster, do you bring

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Speaker 1: Patriots an offer they can't refuse, and they just stack picks.

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Speaker 1: late February. But let's just get right to some of

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Speaker 2: I would say something just real, real quick, Chris, before

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the mock draft, you know, just

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Speaker 2: it's also you know, it depends what the Chargers board

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Speaker 2: if it's offensive line, you know, how close is Joe

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Speaker 2: Walt to Vashanu to Fuaga to Latham. Because justin Jefferson's

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Speaker 2: not a quarterback. That's what this contract's going to look like.

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Speaker 2: trade a Haul to jump up to get a Douneesay,

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Speaker 2: We saw it with Tennessee. We saw it with Stefon

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. And we also don't know

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Speaker 2: Do, probably depend on how they feel about the draft.

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Speaker 2: And now instead of paying them, you know, four and

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Speaker 2: even that is enough of a bargain. The Singletary contract,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone had a question about Cody white Hare getting released.

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Speaker 2: It's also no important, Chris to remember compicks. You know,

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Speaker 2: You don't get compicks by signing free agents, especially when

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Speaker 2: the Chargers aren't going to have a whole lot going out.

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Speaker 2: You can't cut a guy that then gets signed as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. This is from Don provided

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think the Chargers have a number

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's deep at it's really pretty. It's pretty deep

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Speaker 2: a deep you know, I don't know where Brian Thomas

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Speaker 2: probably I would guess five tackles Altaishano, Fuaga, Latham, and

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Speaker 2: because like here's and look, this might just be my philosophy,

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Speaker 2: but I would assume it's it's subscribed to by most gms.

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Speaker 2: tight ends, guards. You can really stock your roster and

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Speaker 2: think about four corners, the five wide receivers, brock Bowers like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can go past fifteen, but

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Speaker 2: Certainly, and just the team needs depth, and I think

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Speaker 2: Let's try to get a high second rounder and just

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Speaker 2: know how Jim Harbaugh wants to play. How did he

430
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: beat Ohio State three years in a row. How did

431
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: he win a national championship? Physical line play, dominating at

432
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: the lines, taking a team we say it all the time,

433
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: into the deep end in the fourth quarter and and

434
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 2: pulling him under. That's the way he plays football. It's

435
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: way he's always played football, so to me, and it's

436
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: it's Fatanu out of Washington and Marius Mims. I forgot

437
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: about it. Was just an absolute mammoth human being out

438
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: of Georgia. Like you're talking about six tackles, so you

439
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: could trade back and feel real good. And now if

440
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: you know you're looking at again, if you're if you're

441
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: looking at centers, because clearly the way they restructured Corey

442
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: Lindsley's contract, it appears as though he's gonna retire in

443
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, start a June, and this was just some

444
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: cap math to help them out. But if you look

445
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: at centers, now you can get both. Now you can

446
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: get your tackle, and who knows, maybe you decide tackles

447
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: really deep and you just love Jackson Powers Johnson, because

448
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 2: that guy's gonna go in the top twenty, and you

449
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: have him rated just considerably higher than Zach Fraser, who's

450
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: a name that we've talked about here, and I know

451
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: DJ likes the guy on a do quite a bit,

452
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: who's technically a guard but very well could end up

453
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: transitioning or I think he was a tackle, but he's

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: projected as a guard.

455
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Yes him, he's the top guy too.

456
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it's one of those where you're now

457
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: doing the math. We need to get deep. We need

458
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of picks and that's a long answer.

459
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: But great segue though into our next question money from

460
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Speaker 1: David Thompson. You can only double dip on one position

461
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: group in the draft. Which do you choose and why?

462
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: For me, it's interior or offensive line and in defensive line.

463
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: I know the defensive line class isn't really heavy. It's

464
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: not great, Uh, but you need to build that the

465
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: way that Harball wants to play. You gotta build your lines.

466
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: So I think you know, double dip on the on

467
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: the lines offensive line, defensive line.

468
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: At one hundred percent agree, I would. I would go corner.

469
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: I just feel it's the thinnest group. Mike Davis is

470
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: a free agent. Jac Jackson did not work out. He's

471
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: going to kunt of twenty million bucks against the cap.

472
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: Gotta sante. They need corners. You got Patrick Mahomes in

473
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: the division, you got Joe Burrow and the conference, Josh

474
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: Allen and the Conference. You you you got Tyreek Hill

475
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: and Jayden and Jaylen Waddle down in Miami. You need

476
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: corners desperately so and they're great. What did Brandon Staley

477
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: always tell us favorite special teams players were corners? Was

478
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: always going to populate the roster with corners, especially with

479
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Speaker 2: those late round picks, because he believes they're the best

480
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: special teams player and we saw that with Dean Leonard

481
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 2: and jaw and those guys on special teams. So you

482
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: get that double dip there great special teamers along with

483
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: the position that's probably the thinnest outside of running back

484
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: because of the free agents with Austin and Joshua Kelly.

485
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: So that would be the one that I would love

486
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: to see attacked.

487
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it just speaks to the fact that you

488
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: need depth, and this team needs depth at a lot of

489
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: key positions. You know some of the questions, and you know,

490
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: it makes sense a lot of a lot of fans

491
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about the running back and the wide

492
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: receiver and the tight end, but it's just it's not

493
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: a seven on seventeen, right, Like you really have to

494
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: build your team through the draft, and it may not

495
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: be sexy to talk about the offensive line, the defensive line,

496
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: and maybe some of the quarter positions, but this team

497
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: really needs to identify how they're going to play football,

498
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: how they're gonna protect Justin Herbert and obviously get him

499
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: weapons too. So it's it's so fun to talk about

500
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I remember last year we talked about John Robinson and

501
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: Zave Flowers and all these different wide receivers and running

502
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: backs that could be potential toys for Justin Herbert. But uh,

503
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: it goes a little bit deeper than that too. Let's see, umm,

504
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: flock with me, what's a position to two that you

505
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: both think the draft can't answer for us that we

506
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: would need to find in free agency or via trade.

507
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: That's a good question.

508
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Well, so much of it is like we don't know

509
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do with with these players, Like we

510
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: what if what if they go to Mike and say

511
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: we're I let you go and you're coming off in

512
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: a cl and and Mike's camp says I on another

513
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: crack at it, just look at it as a free

514
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: agent year. Let's let's reset this. Let's make it a

515
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: one year prove it deal. I feel really good about

516
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: this coaching staff and what I have to contribute. And

517
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: and now you're keeping everyone, and now you've got Mike

518
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: and Keenan and Josh Palmer and and Q. So now

519
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: you're deep there. And same thing with Bosa. No I

520
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: want to play for Jesse Minner, I know, so I

521
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: would much rather do that than be traded some So

522
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: I think that's such a big part of it because

523
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: to me that that's the one concern is that, Okay,

524
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you're gonna trade away Joey and

525
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: Khalil and you only have two lee what and it's

526
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: not a real deep edge class, how are you going

527
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: to find that second pass rusher? And is it Matta

528
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: bk Like, are you willing to invest a bunch of

529
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: money there? Because now you've cut all this money out

530
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: because Mike and Joey and Khalil are all gone and

531
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Keenan's restructured, and and now you've got forty fifty million

532
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: dollars in money to spend, So so much can change

533
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: based on how they want to approach those four contracts.

534
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: It's safety is not a real deal. There aren't great

535
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: safeties and they need a safety. Aloe is a free agent.

536
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: So is there a safety out there that they can

537
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: go get that they think fits the system that jesse

538
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Minner is going to be playing. You know, in terms

539
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: of just position groups that aren't deep, tight end is

540
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: not deep. So outside of brock Bauers, you've got a

541
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: pretty big drop off. It's there there isn't really an

542
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: elite running back in this in this draft. You talked

543
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: about that earlier. So yeah, there are some position groups

544
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: that you may have to to fill via free agency,

545
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: and the good news is they're not typically high priced

546
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: no position guys like.

547
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: Hunter, Henry, Dalton Schultz. Uh, those are some of the

548
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: tight ends that are out there, you know, and.

549
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: With Hunter, yeah, you know if you tell me you've

550
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: got to pass on Bowers, but you're gonna get Hunter

551
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Henry and a team friendly number along with now your

552
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: draft and a tackle and a center or a blue

553
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: chip wide receiver and in an interior alignment like in

554
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: a corner, great one hundred percent. I would We know

555
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: how much Justin loved having Hunter around, and we know

556
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: that he's a full service tight end, so that that's great.

557
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: Point like that would be an ideal free agent signing

558
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: to bring him back.

559
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Bottom line is you know, like you said, between Mike, Keenan,

560
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Joey and Khalil, all that needs to be hashed out

561
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: before we can even kind of see the plan come

562
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: into place with free agency and then the draft. And

563
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: we're going to have so many different Thursdays where we

564
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: have different iterations of this podcast and what they may

565
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: do based on what's happened in free agency. Yeah, great, Kim,

566
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I know this guy. If you were a draft project,

567
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: what day of the combine would you prefer to do

568
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: your drills money Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday.

569
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: So interesting about the combine. Every player isn't there at

570
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: the same time. They fly the groups in based on

571
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: what day they work out, So it's not like everybody

572
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: gets to the combine on Monday, then you're weight in.

573
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: If you're a corner, you got to sit around till Sunday.

574
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Now you fly in on Friday if you're the corner

575
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: and you get all your medical done and then Saturday

576
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: you're doing your interviews. Sunday you're doing your drills, and

577
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: you're out. So they stack it where the guys aren't

578
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: there at the same time. The one day I wouldn't

579
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: want to be is Sunday because for the most part,

580
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: a lot of the GMS and and Team you know,

581
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Team Brass are gone. They leave on Saturday. Sunday is

582
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: a ghost town. So that's just the one day I

583
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't I if i feel like I've got something to

584
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: prove at the combine and this is gonna help my stock.

585
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: I would want to do it in front of the

586
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 2: head coach in the GM. As much as I appreciate

587
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: the DC and the and the and the secondary coaches

588
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: being there who can go back and report, I'd like

589
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: to have that head coach and that GM be wowed

590
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: by what I did out there. So that would that

591
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: would probably be the one day that I would not

592
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: want to be there because it's interesting. I don't know

593
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: how to explain it, because the corners are typically the

594
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: best athletes there and they do put on a show

595
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: and it's and it's the most fun drill. They do

596
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: the Gauntlet drill, you know, on Sunday, and it's a

597
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: lot of fun and it's just kind of this back

598
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: and they do the gauntlet drill for the wide receivers,

599
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: but they do these games with the corners and it

600
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: ends up being a lot of fun. But that'd be

601
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: the one day just because a lot of people are

602
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: already gone and they're just they're over it. They're they're

603
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: ready to get the heck out of there. Haven't been

604
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: there since Monday. They want to get out of town.

605
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me, just give me day one. I want

606
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: to be the first first in make a good impression. Uh,

607
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: here we go. What kind of answered this one? Thoughts

608
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: on trading down and trying to get Powers Johnson, Listen,

609
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: anything's a possibility there reasonable.

610
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Now you trade down and get a blue chip that's

611
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: what you want. Yeah, trade down, but don't trade down

612
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: so far that you lose out on what you have

613
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: a first a first round grade on and someone you

614
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: know is going to be able to help you. That's

615
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: why Powers Johnson's so interesting. It's not the sexiest position,

616
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: but people are really freaking out over how good of

617
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: a center he is.

618
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: How would you guys feel if the Chargers walked away

619
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: with Brock Bowers, Xavier Lyget from South Carolina, who I've

620
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: had some nice highlights and the Notre Dame running.

621
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: Back fine for me? Whoever. I just I have so

622
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: much confidence in this front office I do. I feel

623
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: like the coaching and the and the front office folks

624
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: are are in sync. That Greg Roman is is going

625
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: to dial up this run offense. He's going to tell

626
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: you what he needs. That there's so many people that

627
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: have been so successful everywhere they've been that I'm just

628
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: whichever direction they go, I can see it. Making sense.

629
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: I can I can see brock Bauers making a ton

630
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: of sense. I can see Joe Alt or Fuago or Forshanu.

631
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 2: I could see Terry and Arnold or Dallas Turner. And

632
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: now you've got your two edges with tu Lean Turner

633
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: set for for a while, you know, Byron Murphy, because

634
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: you need someone on the interior line, like there's so

635
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: many need I don't know what it says about the team.

636
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: It just feels like there's so many directions they can

637
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: go that make a ton of sense.

638
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: The only issue I would have with that is that

639
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: it's all skill position guys. When right, we've also talked

640
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: about building the offensive line of defensive line, and those

641
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: guys all to be you know, first, second, third round picks.

642
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a likely path. If you go

643
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: receiver first, you're going to see some line in the

644
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: And that's why the trade down makes so much. I'm

645
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: sure I would imagine that that Geordie's and Jim Harbar

646
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: are doing everything they can to pump up JJ McCarthy

647
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: and how this guy is it? And you're gonna want

648
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: to come up to get because they want to trade down. Ultimately,

649
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: that's what they want. They know they need to stock

650
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: restock this team, and so they're looking for two extra

651
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: picks and if they can somehow figure out a way

652
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: to trade down twice, Let's say they can trade from

653
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: five to six.

654
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: What if what if.

655
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: You know, what if Malik Neighbors and Marvin Harrison are

656
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: both taken. What if that's the move? And now the

657
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: Giants are like, hey, we want a Duneesay, we'll give

658
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: you a third if you just let us move up

659
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: one spot. Great, Now you're at six. And now someone's like,

660
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: we want Jayden Daniels and now you can trade back

661
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: to eight, and like, that's what they want to do.

662
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: They want to amass more than their three picks in

663
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: the top one hundred. They want to try to get

664
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: six or seven in the top one hundred like Arizona has.

665
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: That's what the Ravens do too. Man, Like you talked

666
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: about Kyle Hamilton a couple years ago, glowingly like like

667
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: this is the dude, and the Ravens end up with

668
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: them at like thirteen. You know, it's they find ways

669
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: to win the draft always. So you know, Joe's been

670
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of those war rooms. Jake Nelson asks a

671
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: two parter, could you guys explain how compensatory picks are

672
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: acquired how fast the Chargers could start accumulating them? And

673
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: then number two, any veterans slash role players you see

674
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: taking a leap this year due to the mint Roman

675
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: scheme changes the compensatory pick, So it looks like that's

676
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna be announced soon, and based on over the cap,

677
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: it seems like the Chargers may just get one because it's.

678
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: Your seventh rounder. Yeah, they got a seventh rounder coming,

679
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: that's it. So the way they work is it's what

680
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: goes out versus what comes in, and there's different rules

681
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: that go into that formula of how you are dinged,

682
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: what level of free agency you you know, what type

683
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: of players you sign. If you sign someone another player's cut,

684
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: it's different than an unrestricted free agent if basically, it's

685
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: how many of your players that are unrestricted free agents

686
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: that end up being particularly coming off their rookie contract,

687
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: that that get signed by other teams versus how many

688
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: you've signed to join your team. Determine what the compensatory

689
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: pick awards are and how good is that player versus

690
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: you know, however good that player happens to be will

691
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 2: determine is it a seventh, six, fifth, fourth, or third

692
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: rounder where you get your compensatory Think about Baltimore CJ.

693
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: Moseley gets signed by the Jets, that's a third round

694
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 2: compensatory pick. You mentioned Drew Trank, Will Chargers let him go.

695
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: They sign Eric Kendricks, but Trank will goes out like

696
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: that's a seventh round pick because he had a better

697
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: year than you know, And Kendricks doesn't count against that anyway,

698
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: because he's, you know, a vested vet. So that's kind

699
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: of what we're talking about, is how and how soon?

700
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: Not soon, because they're not going to have a lot

701
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: of those top tier free agents that are going to

702
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: be signed away, So it's gonna happen to you guys.

703
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: You think this your money, Like Kenneth Murray, potentially.

704
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Kenneth Murray Belowie Gilman Austin, Yeah, I think that's kind

705
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: of what you're looking at. Like Kenneth Murray would probably

706
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: be the biggest one just because of his draft status

707
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: and because he's got potential to be an impact player,

708
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: So Murray would probably be the one. Then you got

709
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: a lowie Gilman, but they don't have a lot like

710
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: there's not going to be and there's and remember like

711
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: other teams are playing the same game, so they're going

712
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 2: to follow the same rules. You don't want to sign

713
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: that player in the first wave of free agency. That's

714
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: a loss in the compensatory formula. You want to signm

715
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: in the second wave. And that's how you can play

716
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: this game and end up building that war chest. So

717
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: but the second part of that, when can it happen?

718
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: Not soon, which is why they have to manipulate the

719
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: draft to try to acquire more picks in order to

720
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: fill the void of lack of compensatory picks. What was

721
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: the second part of that question?

722
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Second part was a veteran slash role players that could

723
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: take a leap due to the mentor Roman scheme. Quickly,

724
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll add, you know, I think Touley's just

725
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: going to take a leap in general and in this

726
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: scheme and is going to be great. I think Henley's

727
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: another guy. And you know, somebody in the interior, like

728
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: you look at just the history of the Michigan defensive

729
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: lines and just the good interior play, someone like Tito

730
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Abonia could could maybe take a leap and then offensively,

731
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: real quickly. For me. Quintin Johnston, I think he can

732
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: only go up. And if you you talked about these

733
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: TCU specials, if they can get him in a groove,

734
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: catching the football and and just having a specific role

735
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: on this football team. Uh, I hope big things for

736
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Quinton and here two.

737
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: So he already had a great year, but he need

738
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: Jesse Minner needs to Lee to be great because it's

739
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: all about edge pressure. They need that edge pressure. So

740
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: that's that's one you already said, Henley, He's got an opportunity.

741
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: You think about those you know, those linebackers and what

742
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: they're able to do at Michigan. Derwin is an obvious one. Yeah,

743
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Derwin didn't have the best of year last year and

744
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: and so I would expect him to have a huge

745
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: bounce back year.

746
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: But how do you feel about the defensive line right now?

747
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: Money you help, there's a ton I mean, they're all gone,

748
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, Sebastian Joseph Day obviously was cut. Austin Johnson's

749
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: a free agent. Love Scott Matt Loocke, love Tito and

750
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: hopefully they'll they'll be able to provide some death. But

751
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: they need players on the interior line. No doubt they

752
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: need it, and whatever they decide to do with Joey

753
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: and Khalil will determine if they need edge. So it's

754
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of work to do defensively, a lot

755
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: of work to do defensively offensively. If I were to

756
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: pick one Zion Johnson, I think Zion had a rough

757
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: goal last year, and with Devlin and Nick Hardwick, I

758
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: feel like he's got all the tools to be a

759
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: great interior lineman and just needs better coaching and I

760
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: would suspect that he'll get that from those two guys.

761
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: So last year, the big name was Bijeon Robinson. I

762
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: feel like we got a Bjeon Robinson question every time

763
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: we did this. I can't tell you how many brock

764
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Bauers questions there are. Yeah, I love that we have

765
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: an early pick. Do you think he's worth a fifth pick?

766
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: There are many options. That's from Eddie Roberto. How do

767
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,240
Speaker 1: you guys feel about Bowers? I feel like he's the

768
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: the missing elite tight end the Chargers haven't had our

769
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: boy Brian Rick has. Has Bowers fully healed from his injury?

770
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: Will that affect his draft value in your opinion? To

771
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: where we could possibly trade back a few spots and

772
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: still grab him. Brock Bowers is on the minds of

773
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: Chargers fans.

774
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Money, it'd be great. He's an exceptional player. The thing

775
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: about look Bowers is a mismatch. He's so good, he's

776
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: got incredible hands, he's fast, he's very long, so he's

777
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: not a big dude. And everybody saw that photo that

778
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: was circulating from Super Bowl of him standing next to Gronk,

779
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: and it's like, whoa Gronk is? A is a freak.

780
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: He's the ultimate outlier because he was that big and

781
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: that athletic like.

782
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: Angles and photos made you just I don't know if

783
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: he's that SMA smaller.

784
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: He's pretty small. Like Bowers in terms of tight ends,

785
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: is not the biggest guy. He's listed at six ' four.

786
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: He's probably six ' three and change. Maybe he's listed

787
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: at two forty, probably more like two thirty, so he's

788
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: not big. But he's got really long arms, and he's

789
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: incredibly strong, and he's just so sudden and so quick

790
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: as a tight end, and he has explosiveness so once

791
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: the ball's in his hand, you know, tight ends tend

792
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: to be steam routes. And I'm gonna get to the

793
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: middle of fil I'm able to shay, I'm gonna I'm

794
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: faster than your line if you're the elite ones, I'm

795
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: faster than your linebacker. I'm stronger than your safety. Bowers

796
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: has elite athleticism. He's like he is shaking guys off

797
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage, and he's quick into his cuts.

798
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: He snatches the ball. Think about the stuff we were

799
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: talking about with Quinton that he struggled with gathering body catcher,

800
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: that he had to work on to to continue to

801
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: evolve his game. Bowers does not break stride. Man. He

802
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: is snatching that thing out in front of him, and

803
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: he is in a dead ass run and if you've

804
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: got a linebacker on him, you're dead to rights. And

805
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: if you watch the Georgia tape games, if you watch

806
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: the Bowers tape, so much of it are just flares

807
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: and smoke and screens and just passes to the flat

808
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: and you just watch him explode and he's got the

809
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: angle like they can't catch up to him because he's

810
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: that fast. So he's just a different type of player now.

811
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: And the thing with the size, why it's such a

812
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: big deal. As you talk about is why is he

813
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: a full service tight end? It appears to be strong enough.

814
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: He's not going to be elite in that category, but

815
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: he's good enough where I don't think he's getting app

816
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: where he's a waist inside. So it's he certainly seems

817
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: like a Jim Harbaugh player. I mean he is tough

818
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: as nails. And look how important was Sam Laporta to

819
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: the Lions offense this year?

820
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean gigantic.

821
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: You could argue he was the most important pass catcher,

822
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: even ahead of a Monro because of what he meant

823
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: in the red zone on third down, critical downs, he

824
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: was the guy. So, like, just think of it that way.

825
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: Think of had the Chargers taken Sam Laporta last year

826
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: in the first round. What we beat talking about right now?

827
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: Just how good and he's he's really a receiving tight end.

828
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: He's more in that Travis Kelsey mode. Where So, just

829
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: would you use a first round pick on Sam Laporta?

830
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: Of course you would, knowing now what you know, So

831
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: to me, bowers make sense. So here's the flip side

832
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: of it.

833
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: Would you take him at five? Right?

834
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: That's the flip side. Probably not, because you're talking about position.

835
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: You can't take brock Bauers at five if Roma Dunsay,

836
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, or Marvin Harrison Junior are there. Why because

837
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: the second you take brock Bauers, he becomes one of

838
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: the five highest paid players at his position. So immediately,

839
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: immediately and by the time he's on his fifth year option,

840
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: will be the third or second highest paid tight end.

841
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: So that's the thing. When you get a Doonsay or

842
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: Harrison or a tackle like alt think about the contract

843
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Rashon Slea going to sign and this offseason it's Larimie

844
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Tunzel's making twenty five to twenty eight million bucks a year,

845
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: so Travis Kelcey's making thirteen. Like that's why you can't

846
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: take the tight end that high, or why it's it's

847
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: hard to take him that high, because if Justin Jefferson's

848
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: going to make thirty three million bucks a year, I

849
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: want to take Roma Doonzay or Malik Neighbors so I

850
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: don't have to pay a receiver thirty three million dollars.

851
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: I've got a top ten receiver in the league for

852
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: six million bucks in his fourth year. That's which you

853
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: don't you have a tight end in his fourth year

854
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: for six million bucks. Congratulations, you got one of the

855
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: fifth highest paid tight ends in the league. So that's

856
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: where that the economics of it come into play and

857
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: why it's so hard to draft someone like that that high.

858
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: Yep, excellent, point a couple more, and you know, we

859
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: we have so many. We'll get to some of these

860
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: next week too. We'll ask some of our over yes,

861
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: some of these questions. But our boys from Thunder down Under.

862
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: A lot of FAI online seemed to hate the idea

863
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: of the Bolts sticking at five and picking an offensive tackle,

864
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: which was floated in DJ's mock. How would you both

865
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: feel about it? First of all, DJ has so many

866
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: iterations of this thing he's got. He's he's on two

867
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: point zero I think right now, so he's gonna have

868
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: like five or six more. But it fills a need,

869
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: that's it. It fills a need. Uh, And the Chargers

870
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of them. So I don't have a

871
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: problem with Joe Alt going at number five. If if

872
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: fourte's in company, think that that's the guy.

873
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: Look again, I'll go back to the Lions. How do

874
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: you feel about having pinas Soul and Taylor Decker? Like,

875
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: how do you feel about having that offensive line. Do

876
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: you think the Lions got to where they were because

877
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: of as good as Jamior Gibbs was, or a mon

878
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: Ross Saint Brown is, or we already talked about Sam Laporte. No,

879
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: they got there because of their line. It's the best

880
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: blocking line in football, and they have time to operate.

881
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: Jared Goff does not operate well in a muddy pocket.

882
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: Pocket was clean for them most part on their march

883
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship game. So lines are important. And

884
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: guess what if you take all and he's as good

885
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: as we think he is, and we know Slater is

886
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: an all pro level tackle. On the other side, you

887
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: know how much better Keenan Allen, Josh Palmer and Quentin

888
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: Johnson are going to be because he's got time now,

889
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: They've got time.

890
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Now.

891
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: Keenan's got time to break his guy down because he's

892
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: the best route runner in the league. Quentin's got time

893
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: to get that foot in the ground and start to

894
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: get that inside leverage on those slants. Mike Williams has

895
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: got time to get a fifty to fifty ball down there.

896
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer, Like that's a tackle is the foundation of

897
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: an offensive play. If protection holds up, there's so much

898
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: more you can do. Think about how miserable the run

899
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: game was and has been really for seven years. Alt

900
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: is a massive human being, a giant of a human being.

901
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: And when if you move Zion back to that side,

902
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: you're talking about two of the biggest players at their

903
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: position that are now on the right side your run

904
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: are typically your run heavy side of the line. Now

905
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: your running games working well. Guess what now? Play action

906
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: is now in play again. Whereas before nobody bet on

907
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: play action whatever run it, we don't care, so win

908
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: for us. So all of that stuff comes into play

909
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: and is upgraded because of your line. It's not just

910
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: picking Joe Alt, it's picking Joealt keep the pocket clean.

911
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: It's picking Joealt because now a tackle guard tandem can

912
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: connect and build a wall on that side of the ball.

913
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: I think DJ also referenced money that the Ravens selected

914
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden and had him as a guard his first

915
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: his first year. Yeah, so you get the best guy

916
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: and you figure it out. And when you have elite players,

917
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: they can play different positions, and an Alt slater one

918
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: two punch is pretty good in an AFC West. That's

919
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: loaded and you need to beat the Chiefs.

920
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: When you have justin Herbert's arm. It's not just the receiver,

921
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: it's the time for the route to develop. Like when

922
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: you have that kind of talent that can push the

923
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: ball sixty yards in the air, keep the pocket clean

924
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: and guess what it's gonna be able to push the

925
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: ball downfield more?

926
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Excuse me, last one? What is the projected split between

927
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: eleven twelve personnel going to be with Roman and Harball

928
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: calling the shots? How important is having three wide receivers

929
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: on the field compared to extremely potent two tight end sets.

930
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: Most teams these days are running around sixty five seventy

931
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: five percent eleven personnel. The days of Mike keenan Quinton

932
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: or another capable wide receiver will likely change greatly. It's

933
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: a great question, and I think what they decide to

934
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: do will dictate the personnel and the decisions they have

935
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: to make, especially at the wide receiver position.

936
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the things about what Stanford

937
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: did when Jim Harbach showed up, is when he was

938
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: run in with six offensive linemen two tight ends because

939
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve didn't have the personnel to deal with it.

940
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: It was a quarterback passing conference, and so he just

941
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: did the math. He's like, okay, well everybody is running

942
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: eleven personnel and everyone's trying to get enough corners to

943
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: keep up with it. Now they've got enough corners because

944
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: that's what they've populated their roster with. All their linebackers

945
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: are lighting the ass. So because they've got to keep

946
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: up with all of these pass catchers running all over

947
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: the place, well guess what we're going to go out

948
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: there with. And I called a ton of these Stanford games.

949
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: The splits were so tight, it was the craw I

950
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: just remember watching it, going, my god, this is so

951
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: different than everything else we're watching. They've got six offensive

952
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: linemen and two tight ends, and I mean you couldn't

953
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: put a credit card between those bodies and they would

954
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: snap the ball and just wreck shop. So I think

955
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: it's all math, and it's what what do we do

956
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: to think about what Greg Roman did in Baltimore when

957
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: they got Lamar Jackson. They're like, you know what, we're

958
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: gonna run a ton of twelve. We're gonna run a

959
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: bunch of thirteen, and you know, and we're gonna run

960
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: three tight ends and we're gonna run and Lamar is

961
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: going to be the ultimate X factor because they started

962
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: doing that, they were doing you know, and Patrick Riccard

963
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 2: is whatever. He is a full back, an extra offensive lineman.

964
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: Guy's three hundred and five pounds like, So that to

965
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: me is is it's whatever they think the math is.

966
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: If they feel like they want to play ball like

967
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: they did in Baltimore, and they want to play ball

968
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: like they did at Stanford, then yeah, you're gonna see

969
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: a lot more twelve. You're gonna see a sixth offensive lineman.

970
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna see some thirteen, and you're gonna see you know,

971
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Greg Roman's a run guy. He is, he is all.

972
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: He is the best. He is one of, if not

973
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: the best. Look, there's Kyle Shanahan who is incredible with

974
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: the run, no doubt about it. That is what that

975
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: offense is. It is predicated on the success of the run.

976
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: Same with Sean McVay. So I can't call him the

977
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: best in terms of offensive run calling, but he's up

978
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: there like he's really good at it. So yeah, there's

979
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: probably going to be a lot of twelve. But if

980
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: you again, let's just say Mike Williams wants to come back.

981
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: You don't want Mike Keenan Josh Clinton like, you don't

982
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: want three of those guys on the field at the

983
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: same time. If if that's your advantage, it's whatever. It's

984
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: whatever you think you have an advantage at is what

985
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: you're going to do. It's not just Roman saying, hey,

986
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: we got to play in twelve, got to play with

987
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: two tight ends every snap. That's not how it works.

988
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: It's what's our advantage. How do we how do we

989
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: gain an advantage with our numbers, And that's what it'll

990
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: come down to.

991
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: The best. The best coaches look at their personnel first

992
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: and then cater their system around the personnel that they have.

993
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: Right justin Herbert's a different quarterback from Lamar Jackson, and

994
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, you go down the line of the history

995
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: of Greg Roman, he's had different guys, but he's been

996
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: effective at running the football, which should be music to

997
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: charges fans. Ears after what we've seen the last few

998
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: years running the ball, you have to be able to

999
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: run the foot for some money.

1000
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: It's been so strange with Baltimore, and we saw it

1001
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: firsthand in twenty whatever it was twenty eighteen. They come

1002
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: out and they just start throwing the ball all over

1003
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: and it's like thank you, because remember Chargers are playing

1004
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: with Adrian Phillips is their only linebacker. Yeah, and they

1005
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: start throwing the ball after two weeks prior on a

1006
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: Saturday night, they ran it down the Charger's throats. It's

1007
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing ever. So I think that's it's important

1008
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: to it's important to just remember it's it's not about philosophy.

1009
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: It's about personnel and opponent and advantage, and that's what

1010
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: will dictate how you play.

1011
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: Yep. By the way, I think Helio would did interviews

1012
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: with Roman Mentor and Ficken which was coming to Charge soon,

1013
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: and get a little more insight on their philosophies and

1014
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: how they want to play ball in Los Angeles. That's

1015
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us money, anything else before we

1016
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: pack our bags go to Indy. We got a lot

1017
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: of fun stuff next week.

1018
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep an eye because it's not gonna be

1019
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: the Thursday pod. We're gonna probably post two, maybe three

1020
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: of these things. And I know we already have Lancer Line,

1021
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: whose dad one of the great offensive line coaches ever,

1022
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: and nobody knows more about offensive line in the draft

1023
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: than Lance he's gonna join us. I know Nate Tice

1024
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: also dad, one of the great offensive line coaches in

1025
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: the NFL of all time, and Nate is great at

1026
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: breaking it down for the athletic He's gonna join us.

1027
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: And we're gonna get a lot of people. We've got

1028
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: a lot of friends out there. We're gonna we're gonna

1029
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: wrangle them, throw them in the chair and have a

1030
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: chance to catch up with them and get some of

1031
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: that outside perspective about what they think the Chargers need

1032
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: and what they're gonna do. It's gonna be a lot

1033
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: of fun. And just please keep keep tabs because it's

1034
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: not just gonna be a Thursday pod. You're gonna see

1035
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: a lot more than that. Maybe it'll be short you

1036
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: videos at Chargers dot com or you know videos at

1037
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: Chargers dot com of those one offs, or it'll be

1038
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: multiple pods, maybe even every day Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, something

1039
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: along those lines.

1040
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep keep tabs on the subscription. And man, I

1041
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: think I say it every time, but just I we

1042
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the questions, so many good ones, a ton of

1043
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: them this this time around, and we'll use some of

1044
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: these questions that you guys have for our guests next

1045
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: week too, to get another opinion, an outside opinion on

1046
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: this Chargers team and the draft moving forward. So that'll

1047
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: do it for money. I'm Chris. We will see you

1048
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: in Indie next week