1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Bold, reverence, and occasionally random. The Sunday Hang with Playing 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: Buck podcast. It starts now. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: By the way, the Last Crusade best of the Indiana 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: Jones movies? 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Do you agree? I don't know if you can put 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: it ahead of Raiders. Definitely better than Temple of Doom. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: And there only are three Indiana Jones movies. The rest 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: of them do not count. That's it's certainly the best 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: production value one is the last one, I think. 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: I think it's one of the great things about having 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: kids is watching all the old movies again and getting 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: to see it through their eyes and as a kid. 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: Raiders. 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: Sorry, I love Temple at Doom because I think I 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: was the perfect age when that came out in theaters, 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: and that was back in the day when a movie 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: would come out in the summer and stay on the 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: entire summer. I remember Last Crusade. I don't remember the 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: exact release date, but I remember you drive by the 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: movie theater and you would see it and it stayed 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: on for like three or four months. The same thing 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: for Raiders of the Lost Ark Temple of Doom. You 23 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: could go see him multiple times. A lot of people did, 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: and wasn't easy to have a VCR back then. I 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: think it's Last Crusade. 26 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: I think some people also this, say Temple of Doom. 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, they kind of they throw Temple of Doom 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: under the bus a little bit. It's a great movie. 29 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: It's great. It's a great popcorn movie. It really it 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: really holds up, you know. It's it's not quite as 31 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: good as the first or the third in the trilogy, 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: but it's very good on its own. 33 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: I think I think I said on this show that 34 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: watching it with my kids blew my mind because I 35 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: didn't realize that Temple of Doom is a prequel for 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Raiders of the Lost Dark. Do you remember that, Like, 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: I think we had this conversation on the show. But 38 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: I bet if you missed that conversation once before, I 39 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: bet your mind is blown by me saying that because 40 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: I had no idea and it doesn't really logically add 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: up that it would have been. But yes, it was 42 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: a technically a chronological prequel, meaning it most people think 43 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: of it as a sequel, but it was actually before. 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I do think it's it's a fun thing too. I mean, 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: you're experience experiencing this with your kids. I'm sure a 46 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: lot of you out there are are experiencing this with you, 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: with your own children or your grandchildren even and that 48 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: is the great movies have already been made. They're not 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: making great movies anymore. So you will get to relive 50 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: the great movies of the you know, eighties, nineties, and 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: two thousands with I think your you know, with future generations, 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: because that will be considered, you know, the same way 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: that some people always think that like the Beatles and 54 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones are the greatest rock bands of all time. 55 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think that the greatest movies of all 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: time will widely be considered what was made from you know, 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty to twenty ten. 58 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: I saw yesterday and I don't remember. I don't know 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: because you're such a younger man than me, whether you 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: remember this. But Kyle Brandt who shared this, I think 61 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: yesterday was the release date of the original Batman. Do 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: you remember when America just basically shut down with Batman 63 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: Fever in nineteen eighty nine. 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: Jack Lewis, Yes, the Jack Nicholas Michael Keaton won because 65 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: there was the Adam West with the tights on Batman TV. 66 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: Show that even that's how popular the movie in nineteen 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: eighty nine was But I'm telling you, when that movie 68 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: came out, Jack Nicholson's playing the Joker and you had 69 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: Michael Keaton as Batman, Kim Basinger as the attractive, you know, 70 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: sort of fem fatale in that movie. VI remember anything? 71 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: What was that Vicky Vaiale, Vicky Vale. That's right, that 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: was her, that was her role. I don't remember any movie, 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: and maybe it's just my age, but nineteen eighty nine 74 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: Batman coming out in the summer, there was so much 75 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: prep that and Dick Tracy. It felt like, remember when 76 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: Dick Tracy came out like Madonna. They tried to turn 77 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: that into the same. 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Thing and not take. 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: But that whole summer oh so good. Crockett Coffee dot Com. 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: If you love America, you should be drinking our coffee. 81 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: Crocketcoffee dot Com. Biden's Kryptonite. 82 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Sunday, Hang with Clay and Bucks. The buck is back. 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: As you can hear, assuming you can tell my voice 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: from Clay's after jury duty yesterday where I served, Yes, 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: I was honorably discharged from my jury duty or dismissed 86 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: from my jury duty as and I showed up and 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: then they let me go. I'll tell you more about 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: that later on. 89 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: It was an interesting right off the top though, how 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: long are you now cleared without do you know how 91 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: long you don't have to go back for? In? 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: Only one year? Wow? So it's it's yeah, this may 93 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: become a more regular occurrence in my life. But I'll 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: tell you real quick that the the the downside is 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the the courthouse here in Miami Dade looks like a 96 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: Soviet penal colony or something. I mean, it looks like 97 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: where they would have sent you it. Really, a courthouse 98 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: should have Roman columns, sweeping entrance, you know, it should 99 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: there should be the majesty of the state. And it 100 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: really this it's called the Gerstein Building, I think down 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: to Miami Dade, it looks like something that you know, 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Stalin would have sent his enemies to. And it's not 103 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: even a prison, mind you. This is just the courthouse. 104 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: So there's that. But everybody actually was very professional. I 105 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: was impressed with the with one of the judges who 106 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: came out. We're in a room of about two hundred people, 107 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: I would say, just just stacked. I mean just people 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder and all these chairs. The judge came 109 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: out gave us a little pep talk. I know you 110 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: don't want to be here. I know this seems like 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: it stinks, but it is your duty, and thank you 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: for being here. That's the short version of it. Everything 113 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: was going great. And then after lunch, when I had 114 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: not been picked for a jurrell morning and it was 115 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: getting close to I knew when I would get dismissed. 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: One of the bailiffs kind of looked at me a 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: little funny clay and the judge in this one trial 118 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: had gathered us all in the hallway outside the courtroom 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: to tell us what our fate would be. There was 120 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: a last minute please deal that was struck, which I 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: think this often happened. 122 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: I told you, as soon as they get the jury ready, 123 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: the lawyers, the pressure to get a deal done always 124 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: comes up. That's that's like ninety percent of the time 125 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: what happens. You're there to drive the negotiation in the settlement, 126 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: and I. 127 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: Just wanted to know what the case was even about. 128 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: We never even found out. But the judge was very, 129 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: very friendly, very polite. She she said, I know, I 130 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: have some good news for all of you. But the 131 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: bailiff came over and he looked at me and you know, 132 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: you get you know, he gave me the look like 133 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: wait a second, because everyone there thinks my name is James, 134 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: because technically that's my first name. He's like, I know you. 135 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: He's like, you're the guy. You're the guy from Fox 136 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: and from radio. And I kind of gave him like 137 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: a little quiet nod and I swear he turns a judge. 138 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: He goes, judge, you see this, I know this guy 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: from TV. I was like, this is in front of 140 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: all the other jurors, right, I'm like, let's keep that, 141 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: let's keep that down. And then one of our Jewish 142 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: brethren came over. He had a yamakah on came over 143 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: and he tugged my shirt and he's like, hey, thanks 144 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: for what you and Clay do every day. I was like, yes, victory, victory. 145 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, and then we got all got dismiss So 146 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: that was jury dudy. Now let's get into news. 147 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: Oh. 148 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: The other thing is a reminder you never want to 149 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: be the target of the criminal justice system. And I 150 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: know that people say, oh, Trump is unstoppable for us 151 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: and look what he's been through and nothing can stop Trump. 152 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: Well yes, true, but just having to show up and 153 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: be a criminal defendant in a building like this for 154 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people, I think would be soul crushing 155 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: and would really out on Moore them. You know, just 156 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: having to be there and you are on trial, would 157 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: be trying. 158 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: To sleep if you faced legitimate prison time and you 159 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: knew your trial was coming up, you're out on bail 160 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: or whatever. I mean, the amount of physical stress associated 161 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: with the criminal justice system is a huge part of 162 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 2: the punishment itself, whether you're found guilty or innocent. 163 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: I was trying to follow events yesterday from the jurm. 164 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: The wi FI was kind of bad, unfortunately, so I 165 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: had to pop in it out is when does Bannon 166 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: report for his sentence. He's in, He's in. I believe he. 167 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: I believe he is now in the prison, and I 168 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: know he did his show yesterday and we talked some 169 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: about it. You get staff in New York can confirm 170 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: that he's been officially admitted in. In theory, he would 171 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: be there until November one as a part of serving 172 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: that four month sentence which I talked about yesterday. 173 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Buck. 174 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: I actually think is a hugely underdiscussed story that if 175 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: you're just merely associated with Trump. They're legitimately putting you 176 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: in jail for your political belief. 177 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are absolutely tearing down any sense of fairness 178 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: in the justice system to get at Trump, not just 179 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: with Trump, but with people around him. I want you 180 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: all to know that we reached out directly to Steve 181 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: and his team and invited him to come on before 182 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: he started his sentence, because we wanted him to be 183 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: able to make sure everybody knows that he's being targeted. 184 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: And you know, we clearly stand with Steve. He's a 185 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: fighter for his principles and we wish him well while 186 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: he is dealing with what he's dealing with right now. 187 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, I have Steve's the kind of guy who's 188 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: going to go into prison though and make like he'll 189 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: make friends. I'm just saying he's very He's a very 190 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: charismatic guy. I'm sure he doesn't want to be in prison, 191 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: but I'm saying, you know, he's he'll be okay. I 192 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of faith and confidence 193 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: in him. He'll come out and he'll come out even stronger. 194 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: But I will I'll tell you this, Clay. The one 195 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: thing that I was that was very apparent yesterday is 196 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: I was sitting in that jury room as you as 197 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: you know, getting ready for Well it turned out getting 198 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: ready for nothing because I didn't get to sit on 199 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: a jury or even get to go through Voadir. But 200 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: the decision came down from the Supreme Court yesterday, and 201 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: I know you've talked through the you know, the the 202 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: specifics of it with the audience already and everyone's pretty 203 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: up to speed. But it was amazing because the twenty 204 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: four hour cycle has played out. What I've seen is 205 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: how many people have completely lost their minds and shown 206 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: themselves to be either either lacking in reading comprehension. I 207 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: mean they really have like a soda mayor level of 208 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: reading comprehension, which is not high. Sundays with Clay and 209 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Vuss Kamala Harris is the VP. The job of a 210 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: vice president, first and foremost is to be there in 211 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: case of if you have a president who can no 212 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: longer do the job, or God forbid, something terrible happens 213 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: too you have a person who just shows up that day, 214 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: not even the next day, and takes the reins. You 215 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: have a commander in chief ready to go. It is 216 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: an immediate succession plan. That's what it is, so what's 217 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: all the fuss about then, right, If it can't be Biden, 218 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: it must be Kamala. How could you go around Kambala? 219 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: Why would you go around Kamala? And if she is 220 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: so incompetent and so politically unpalatable to the elector, and 221 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: why did you pick her as vice president in the 222 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: first place, Joe Biden? That is yet another act of malpractice, 223 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: political malpractice that I think we could point to. But 224 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: let's get into this because it's you would be so simple, 225 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, if let's just say we flip around the 226 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, flip the script, flip around the history here 227 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight to twenty sixteen. You know, 228 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: if you had had Biden at the top of the 229 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: ticket and Barack Obama as the vice president, let's say, 230 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: and at some point Barack Obama was in a position 231 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: to have to take over because of Biden's dementia, it 232 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: just would have happened, right, There wouldn't have been any 233 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what can you no? It would have happened. 234 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: Vice presidents have taken over many times in the past 235 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: for presidents, so this is long established. Why is this 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: such a crisis. You have to ask yourself, why is 237 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: it such a crisis. We know what the plan is. 238 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: The plan has been laid The plan was laid out 239 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: by the founding fathers. The president can't do it. He's 240 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: too old. We all see it. Vice president steps in. 241 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Why can't the vice president step in? Well, I bring 242 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: you Clay Kamala Harris trying to look cool, normal and 243 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: relatable at the BET Awards over the weekend. This is 244 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: what that sounded like, playing, Madam VP Harris. I'm worried 245 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: about the election. 246 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 4: Women's reproductive rights are on the line. 247 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: Our Supreme Court is on the line. 248 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: Our basic freedoms are being tested. 249 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Madam BP. 250 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: I know you've been traveling across the country. 251 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: What are you hearing? 252 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, girl, I'm out here in these streets, and let 253 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: me tell you you're right to Raji. There is so 254 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: much at stake in this moment. The majority of us 255 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: believe in freedom and equality. But these extremists, as they say, they're. 256 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: Not like us. 257 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: They not. 258 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: There's a full on attack on our fundamental freedoms. The 259 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: freedom to vote yep, the freedom to love who you love, 260 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom 261 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 4: for a woman to make decisions about her own body, 262 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: not having her government tell her what to do. They 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 4: want to turn back the clock on our hard fought progress. 264 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 4: Now I know why to cage burres things. 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: Okay, you we know on the cage burn sink. 266 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: She really said that. I didn't see this whole video. 267 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that I cannot even keep a straight face 268 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: from many of these lines, Clay. 269 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: Uh. For for Kamala Harris, first of all, who lives 270 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: in a literal taxpayer funded mansion surrounded by armed guards, 271 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: uh the secret Service. Uh. But for for Kamala Harris 272 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: to to to say, I'm out here in these streets. No, actually, 273 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: you're you're really uh you know, you're your Your attempt 274 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: to be so relatable sounds like somebody who is not 275 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: out in these streets but is pretending. You know, this 276 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: is like when John Carrey went duck hunting and everybody's like, 277 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: which do you even know which under the shotgun the 278 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: noise comes out of? Like you have no idea what's 279 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: going on here? Clay, do you. 280 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: Remember the scene. 281 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: It's become very memorable. Uh. 282 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: Where on Seinfeld the Father, I think it's Ben Stiller's dad. 283 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: Jerry Stiller played George Costanza's dad, and he has like 284 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: he gets a skateboard and he's got it like over 285 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: his shoulder, but he's clearly seventy five years old and 286 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: he's trying to pretend like. 287 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: He's like hello, fellow kids or whatever. 288 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: He say, yes, yes, it's a super very popular meme 289 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: on social media. This reminds me, and I know we've 290 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: played this before, but when Hillary Clinton tried to talk 291 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: like southern and also black and she was like, I 292 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: ain't even remember like the eight even tired. 293 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: With the shoes or something. You know, Yeah, I mean 294 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: it was. 295 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: One of the all time fake politician speeches. Yeah, Kamala Harris. 296 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: Hillary said, I ain't no ways tired, that no ways tired. 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: I no, he's tired. 298 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 299 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: Like these people are just morons. They're just so fake, 300 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: like own what you are. Kamala Harris is a rich 301 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: woman married to a rich Jewish lawyer from La. She's 302 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: not in these streets. What does she say, they ain't 303 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: like us or something like come on? And even Taraj Hinson, 304 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: who's a really good actors, sounds awful in this. If 305 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: she can't pull it off, then Kamala is certainly is 306 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: not going to be pulling it off. 307 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: And do we have but this is important, do we 308 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: have James Clyburn yet? Guys? I just sent this one 309 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: in where he is talking about what should happen in 310 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: terms of we do have it? Okay, this is so 311 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: just just one way of backstory for one second. We 312 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: all remember Biden was not winning the twenty the twenty 313 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: twenty primary. He was done, he was done. 314 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: It was like. 315 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren and Bernie and you know, we thought we 316 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: were gonna have a straight up socialist, the honest socialist 317 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: instead of a Democrat probably, and then all of a sudden, 318 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: South Carolina James Clyburn, the black vote boom, Joe Biden 319 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: is the nominee, and Joe Biden ends up becoming the president. 320 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: James Clyburn has been asked here about support for Kamala 321 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: situation here with Biden and Kamala. I want you to 322 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: listen very closely to what this Democrat power broker has 323 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: to say. 324 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 5: How would you feel if they worked around and tried 325 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 5: to go around Kamala Harris because of her lack of 326 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 5: high poll numbers and popularity and broadly based do you 327 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 5: think it's hers to have If it's not his, I. 328 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: Will support her if he were to step aside, but 329 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: I'm want to support her going forward. Sometime in the future. 330 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: I want this ticket to continue to be Biden Harris, 331 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: and then we'll see what happens after the next election. No, 332 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: this spot is should not in any way do anything 333 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: to work around miss Harris. We should do everything we 334 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: can to bolster her, whether it's a second place or 335 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: at the top of the ticket. 336 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: Play. This is laying out that this has been what 337 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I've been saying all along. It will be viewed as 338 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: a betrayal, particular by Black Democrat voters, particularly by Black 339 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: Democrat female voters. If Kamala Harris is just shoved aside 340 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: for some other person not picked by Democrat voters, mind you, 341 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: picked by a bunch of Democrat party hacks, perhaps in 342 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: the smoke filled the room, so to speak, of the 343 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: White House, perhaps at the convention. There is no way 344 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: to do this without catastrophe. 345 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this is this a 346 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: little bit of four D chess by Cliburn. Is he 347 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: saying that it has to be Kamala to actually protect Biden? 348 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: In other words, maybe yes, I would I would believe. 349 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: I would believe that. 350 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: Because the strongest argument Biden has is if it's not me, 351 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: it has to be Kamala, because I think that makes 352 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: people take a step back and say, oh wait, we 353 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: have to go Kamala, like and Cliburn. You pointed it out. 354 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: He basically after after Biden finished. I think it was 355 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: sixth in Iowa, fifth in New Hampshire or fifth in Iowa, 356 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: fourth in New Hampshire. 357 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: Awful. Not in the win play show category. 358 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: He wouldn't have gotten a medal if you got medals 359 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: for coming in the top three. Clybird made him the nominee, 360 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: default made him president. I'm wondering, iven he's an ally, 361 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: whether the Biden team is going to start getting their 362 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: surrogates to say, hey, Biden's got to be the guy, 363 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: but if he's not, it's Kamala, which they view as 364 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: strengthening Biden. 365 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: I think I think the the end effect. Yes, I 366 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: think what you're saying is true, which is why I 367 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: keep coming back to it's going to be Biden everybody, 368 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: because if it's not Biden, it's Harris. And I think 369 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: there's an even more certain belief in Harris losing to Trump. 370 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: Than there is in Biden losing to Trump. And if 371 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: you run Harris this time around and she gets absolutely destroyed, 372 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: then you're also taking her out of play entirely for 373 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: the future. Now, people might say, well, they won't care 374 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: about that, you know, they may think that they can 375 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: build her up. She'll be a surrogan in the future. Look, 376 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was a clown. Now he's president. Nobody in 377 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: politics thought that Joe Biden was a smart guy or 378 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: could ever be president, but it somehow happened anyway, And 379 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I think that they believe that they want to keep 380 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: her as a viable option for the future. Remember, it 381 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: is not an eight year arc that they are worried about, 382 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: because it's going to be Trump. On the Republican side, 383 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: they will start running another candidate in two years after 384 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: the election. I know. It's like, oh my god, are 385 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: we ever And the answer is no. And America will 386 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: really never out of an election cycle. I mean there's 387 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: maybe a six month honeymoon after the four year presidential 388 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: cycle and that's about it. So with that, in my clay, 389 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: you're putting somebody in a position where they're taking over 390 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: a can't win situation. You much rather have it be 391 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: the incumbent president who's defeated and you never have to 392 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: think about it again. Why give somebody a big loss, 393 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: whether it's Harris or even in the other oftens people 394 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: about Whitmer or Newsom, when you could run them in 395 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: two years and try to build them up for an 396 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: eight year long presidential art. 397 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: Right. 398 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: That's the part of it that I think is also 399 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: not thought about enough as to why Biden Harris is 400 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: going to be the ticket. And I also look, people's 401 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: memories are short, man. You know, people forget stuff. People 402 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: have already forgotten that Joe Biden was basically threatening to 403 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: have everybody who didn't want to get a worthless COVID 404 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: shot fired. 405 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: Okayosha like people, we agree with that. But what people 406 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: don't forget is their basic decision about whether or not 407 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: somebody's competent. And I think that's the problem Biden has. 408 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: Every public appearance he has, there is further evidence he 409 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: just tried to go talk about extreme weather events and 410 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: he couldn't read the prompter correctly. There it reinforces what 411 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: people already have decided. And by the way, they're trying 412 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: report that. ABC News propagandist George Stepolis has an exclusive 413 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: first television interview with Biden since the debate. Let me 414 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: say this, every single news organization, if they cared about 415 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: being honest, would insist on Joe Biden live unedited at 416 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: this point in time, if they cared about being honest, 417 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: because his competency is. 418 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: A question, which they do not. 419 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: But yes, but yeah, don't you agree with me like 420 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: it should be live and unedited in an interview. But 421 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is, if you truly are trying to 422 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: assess competence based on an interview, and that's what Biden 423 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: wants to do, live and unedited should be the only 424 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: parameters for No. 425 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: I agree with you, and that's why it's clear that 426 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: that is not what they are trying to do. They're 427 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: trying to launder the disastrous debate performance into something other 428 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: than that, which was a parent for everyone to see. 429 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: But I think people are underestimating. Look, it's July. We've 430 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: got a long time here. We're not talking about a president. 431 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: We're not talking about a lead of twenty points for 432 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: Trump nationally or something. I think people are underestimating what 433 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: the Biden machine will be able to do. And I 434 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: worry that people are underestimating. If it has to be 435 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, they get to create a whole new narrative. 436 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: And I understand we don't have COVID like we did 437 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and that Biden with the but there's 438 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of places where they have the 439 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: mail in balloting. They still have the vote a vote, 440 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: ballot harvesting setups in place. They you know, they've they've 441 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: got that stuff down. 442 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: They elected is the ultimate trump card in Pennsylvania. If 443 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: they can get betterment anyone five, they will get their 444 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: vote out no matter who the nomination. 445 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: Telling you Republicans are, we're getting a little soft, and 446 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: we're celebrating a little early, and we shouldn't be celebrating 447 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: at all because we don't even know what they're going 448 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: to do, and whatever they're going to do, it's going 449 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: to be a close and hard fought contest to the end. 450 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: All Right. 451 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: The one thing that I know, the one hundred percent 452 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: certainty about Democrats is that you cannot overstate their lust 453 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: for power. Okay, you cannot over look at how insane 454 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: they are. You're reading the Supreme Court decision like they're 455 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: they're basically suffering from a mass delusion of mass mental illness, 456 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: and that is their political party right now, So don't 457 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: don't underestimate what they're willing to do and how close 458 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: they're able to make this