1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot com. 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting alongside West Hodkowits were coming 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I want to start off this new show by taking 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: care of a little bit of old business, you might say, 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: and what I'm referring to is wrapping up our peak 7 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: Performances segment, because this past week on packers dot com 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: we posted the collection. Essentially if if you've been following 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: the series, either here on Packers Unscripted or on Packers 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: dot com, we had peak performances by individual players selected 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: from the different quarters of the season games one through 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: four or five through eight, etcetera. Fans could then vote 13 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: for their favorite from each of those segments of the season. 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: So now what we have on the website is an 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: opportunity for fans to log on and vote for their 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: peak performance of the year, which is the top vote 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: getter from each of those four quarters of the season. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: And the way it came out not a whole lot 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: of surprises. I think all of these were ones that 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: you and I had voted for when we talked about 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: them initially. But quarter number one Mike Daniels versus Seattle, 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: quarter number two Aaron Rodgers at Dallas, quarter number three 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Dean Lowry at home against Tampa Bay, and then quarter 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: number four Davante Adams and that performance at Cleveland. UM, 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: all of those obviously standout performances. Is there one that 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: you would pick as the performance of the year for 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Pack I'm gonna go with Aaron Rodgers 28 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: against Dallas, And as you wrote in the brief rite 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: up that goes along with it, Um, this was kind 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: of the the last the last showing for him U 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: this year. And obviously he did come back against Carolina, 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: but this was the game I ought when you look 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: back at two thousand seventeen and maybe the missed opportunity 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: that was there. UM, this was one of those games 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: that really embodied what this offense could be when Aaron 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Rodgers was at the steering wheel. Uh. They had to 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: overcome some adversity, UH in Cowboys Stadium. It certainly wasn't 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: a gimme type game. But the way Rogers played UM 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and and how he how clutch he was down the stretch, 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: had a big reason why the Packers were able to 41 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: improve before and one I believe at the time, and 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: also come up with that victory late. Yeah, I definitely 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: like that choice as well. Aaron Rodgers. I thought, you know, 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: it was a a Kuda Gras type of performance by 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: Rogers in Dallas, with you know, very much the opposite 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: of the playoff game from the year before, and that 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the Packers were way ahead then, you know, sort of 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: hanging on for dear life. The Cowboys tied up and 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: then the Packers winning. At the end this one, Packers 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: were down. I believe it was twenty one to six 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: at one point. The Packers are the team that needs 52 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: to rally, and then Rogers gets the ball last and 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: orchestrates the final scoring drive for the victory. Just to 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: cast a vote for another one, I'll vote for Mike 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Daniels against Seattle. And the reason I say that not 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: only because it was a performance that, although Daniels did 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: get hurt the next week and the early part of 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: his season you know, didn't necessarily live up to what 59 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: he did against Seattle, it did set the stage for 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: him to be a first alternate for the Pro Bowl 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: and then ultimately get into the Pro Bowl um as 62 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: a first alternate as a as an injury replacement there, so, um, 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: there's that. And also because those types of dominant defensive performances, 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: I think those are the Those are the types of 65 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: outings that go such a long way for a team 66 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, establishing leadership with a certain 67 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: guy that everybody looks to, a guy that a guy 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: that you count on. Those types of performances, especially on 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the defensive side, to me, they can rub off on 70 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: other players. And I know injuries and everything took their 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: toll on the Packers defense in but if Mike Daniels, 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: or if it's Clark, or if it's Kevin King next 73 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: season has one of those early season dominant defensive performances, 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: I see that as something that maybe starts to become 75 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: contagious and can set the stage for even more. And 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: I look at this is the same situation when you 77 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: look at the offense with Rogers in that game against Dallas. 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: You talk to any of those defenders, those starting defenders, 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: and the Packers this past season, they felt like that 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: Seattle game was the embodiment of what they could have 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: been when everybody was healthy and things were clicking. They 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: held Seattle to nine points. I mean, we talked so 83 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: much about fail Marry in two thousand twelve, and obviously 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship Game in two thousand fourteen. Russell Wilson 85 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: other than that, hasn't had a lot of success against 86 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, and a lot of it in 87 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways has been because of interior 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: pressure on the Packers defensive line. B J Rajie reached 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: havoc against them, and maybe that was the beginning of 90 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, and then now this year Mike Daniels 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: having the success that he did. One of the popular 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: questions I know I've seen an insider in box since 93 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: Mike Petton was installed as a new defensive coordinator has 94 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: been what do you expect with this defense? What are 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the sub packages that the past rush packages? What are 96 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: they gonna look like? And the point I've tried to 97 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: make is, you know, you've had a lot of hybrid schemes. 98 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: You've had a lot of you know, you look at 99 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: the NASCAR package and using strictly outside linebackers and elephants. 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: When I'm Mike Petton, if I step back and I 101 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: look at where the Packers are at now defensively, I 102 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: look at Mike Daniels, I look at Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry. 103 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: That defensive line as a real big strength of this defense, 104 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: right and I think whether it is third downs, whether 105 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: it's first sounds, I think that is a building block 106 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: for them going forward. That's someplace where they need to 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: really uh you know, they have the tools there. That's 108 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: a position they don't need a whole lot of work 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: with this offseason, and I think that can be a 110 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: big strength for him. This performance may Mike Daniels against 111 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: the Seahawks one and a half sax, seven tackles, all 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: the plays that he made in that game, I think 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: really set him up and set that defense up for 114 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: what was actually a pretty strong first month of the season. 115 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: People forget they were top ten defense through the first 116 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: four games. Unfortunately, through attrition, they just really never never 117 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: able to get back to that level. Yeah. I think 118 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: you're right though, and that that defensive line a specific 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: position group that really can be the foundation for whatever 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: the new defense that Mike Petton is going to put 121 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: together with. These Packers will definitely be watching that closely. 122 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: They're young and they don't have questions and basically everybody 123 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: outside of Quentin Dials signed through next season. So I 124 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: think that shows you exactly what you have there and 125 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: what you when you're figuring out a game plan right 126 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: from day one today, you know what you're dealing with. Yeah, 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: no question about it. With that, we'll go to a 128 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: break back with more and Packers Unscripted right after this. 129 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodkowitz 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: over there, and West we'd bring up our Insider Inbox 131 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: column daily column on Packers dot Com. We talked about 132 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: it on the show here all the time because it 133 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: dominates our life. Yeah, but in the over the last 134 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: few days, you have engaged in some interesting discussion, lively debate. 135 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: I guess we would call it with with many of 136 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: our Packers dot Com readers with regards to a topic 137 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: revolving around free agency, and that being what does resigning 138 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: your own free agents mean? And I've seen what you've written. 139 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: You contend very much that you know, people forget to 140 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: include resigning your own free agents in the calculation of 141 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: what a team does in free agency. There are others 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: who say resigning your own free agents is just the 143 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: status quo. You're not you're not making the team better 144 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: by just hanging onto the guys that you always had. 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's an interesting debate. 146 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: It certainly has gotten rather lively on our website. I 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: know it's something that that you feel pretty strongly about 148 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: in terms of your opinion. Yeah, and here's the thing. Uh, 149 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: I love debate. I'm always one for debate. I can 150 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: do it. Uh. It's been a real big topic because 151 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: people talk about the term status quo, and I think 152 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: there's been this um merger if you will, that where 153 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: they're they're they're trying to find the dots connect the 154 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: lines between draft and development, resigning your own players and 155 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: remaining status quo. In My main argument against this has been, 156 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: especially when you're in a draft in development organization, when 157 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: you routinely resign your own guys to second contracts. I 158 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: maintained that's not staying status quo because one guy isn't 159 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: the same player one year to the next. The Packers 160 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: resigned Jordy Nelson in two thousand eleven, right midway through 161 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. He ends up having a monster year 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: and has improved over then got a third contract with 163 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: the Packers. And has over exceeded that as well over 164 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: his time. Davante Adams in the point I made an 165 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: inbox on Wednesday was that there's a lot of fans. 166 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't here yet, I was still at the Green 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: at Prescazette, but there were so many fans that would 168 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: pop into our chats our emails about you gotta cut 169 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: this guy. He's not he's not good enough. Yeah, he 170 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: had he had a rough second season with the injuries 171 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: and everything. Played on a spring ankle the entire year. 172 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: And if you watch him the past two years, how 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: much of that in terms of his mobility, how much 174 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: of that plays into who Davante Adams is as a player. 175 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: He ends up having a phenomenal breakthrough season in two 176 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. In two thousand seventeen, becomes a Pro bowler. 177 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: The Packers resigned him. If they don't resign Davante Adams, 178 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: he's one of, if not the biggest receiver on the market, 179 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: definitely a top five, top ten overall free agent. If 180 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: the Packers don't bring him back, it's making another team 181 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot better. And Eric from Oshkosh was the one 182 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: that I was talking about this with on on Wednesday, 183 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to post his entire comment because we're 184 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: trying to be someone you know, there's some value of 185 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: brevity in this thing. But he also mentioned, you know, 186 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: resigning your own and then adding another player as well. Well, 187 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: you really want to bring down Mike. The Packers would 188 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: have been better if they would have resigned Jared Cook 189 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: instead of signing Martellis Bennett. But at the time Martellis 190 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: Bennett that's a big attractive signing. So I think there 191 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: is ways to get better resign your own players. In 192 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: this argument of well you just got to constantly bring 193 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: in new guys in order to not be status quo, 194 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's irrelevant in my estimation. Yeah, 195 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with your take on in that, 196 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: and I think I'm going to say something very much 197 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: along the lines of what you're saying, is that when 198 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: you're a draft and developed organization and those second contracts 199 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: come up, when you're making the decision to resign one 200 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: of your own and you know, provide that big payday 201 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: and and everything else that goes along with it, you're signed, 202 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: You're you're making that decision and setting up that signing 203 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: because you're expecting that player to continue to improve. His 204 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: arrow is pointing out four year old. People were talking about, yeah, 205 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: you're you're not You're not resigning a twenty four year 206 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: old guy who's three to four years out of college 207 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: and saying, well, he's hit his peak and we just 208 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: expect that the rest of Wait, no, you're making that 209 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: investment because you're expecting that player to continue to improve. 210 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: The Packers have re signed Corey Lindsley Davante Adams this 211 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: past at this past December as the regular season wrapped 212 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: up because they don't think those guys have hit their 213 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: peak yet. They think there is more to come, which 214 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: which is the argument against just staying the status quot. 215 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Now I understand it from the the the argument on 216 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: the other side, I understand where it comes from. I 217 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: don't agree with it. I understand where it comes from, say, 218 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: for example, with a player like Nick Perry, because the 219 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Packers side Nick Perry coming off of the eleven sacks 220 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: season because they were expecting his arrow to continue to 221 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: point up as well. Unfortunately, he had another round of injuries, 222 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: which has been the problem throughout a good portion of 223 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Perry's career. So you didn't get the arrow continuing to 224 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: point up at least statistically, Perry missed more games than 225 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: anybody would have wanted. The sack numbers weren't there. Now 226 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: that being said, that's just the first year of this 227 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: multi year deal with Nick Perry, so we still have 228 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. But I think it's 229 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: situations like that that lead to those who look at 230 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: sometimes resigning your own is just staying status quo. Because 231 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: in the case of Nick Perry, and I don't mean 232 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: to pick on Nick, I know the injuries have have 233 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: been a problem, and it's been unfortunate, and he's worked 234 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: through it, you know, um and and it's trying to 235 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: his ability, his his you know, push to get through 236 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: those things is as tough as anybody. But I think 237 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: that's where it comes from in a sense that when 238 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: you resign a guy and then he doesn't have this 239 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: big monster year later on coming off of the new contract, 240 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: everybody thinks like, oh, well, that was just that, that 241 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: was just a status quo signing. But that's the risk 242 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: every team in the NFL is taking, because we're not 243 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: talking about taking production from one year and just guaranteeing 244 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Again, right, And and that's that 245 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: isn't just the NFL, that's Major League Baseball, that's that's 246 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: every sport. It's all a crystal ball business in a sense. 247 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: So and and the other thing. And I don't know 248 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be able to get into all this 249 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: before we got to go to the next break. But 250 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: here's the other thing to consider too, When when you're 251 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: trying to map out signings and projections and all that 252 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: fun business. If you are a drafted development team and 253 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: you're investing in your own guys, that's years of experience, 254 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: years of background, years of history offense defense in your system. 255 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: In this environment now in the CBA, the new CBA, 256 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: we've seen how difficult it is, even for going back 257 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: to Jared Cook, Jared Cook coming into the Packers offense, 258 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: getting hurt during the off season program, really being quiet 259 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: throughout those first couple of months of the regular season, 260 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: then hurting getting hurt again. Believe that was the foot 261 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember um and he comes back and 262 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: he catches fire late in the season. Jered Cook only 263 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: had like receiving yards during the year. It's not easy 264 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: to sign a new guy or bringing a new free 265 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: agent or bringing a draft pick and just have them 266 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: make a Day one contribution. So when you have Davantie 267 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: Adams with four years in the system, with those projections, 268 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: you're also factoring in that experience as well. Yeah, no 269 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: question about it. But we do have to get to 270 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: a break. So back with more on Packers Unscripted right 271 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in 272 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: this chair, West Hodkowits and that one in West. Continuing 273 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: our discussion here of free agency as it relates to 274 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: the current Packers we talked about as the regular season 275 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: wrapped up, the Packers resigned center Corey Lindsley and wide 276 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: receiver Davante Adams, who far and away were the two 277 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: biggest names at the top of the expiring contract list 278 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: that the Packers were dealing with. So where do things 279 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: stand right now? I think the name that most fans 280 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: are asking about more than any other is veteran safety 281 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett, who is in a little bit different situation 282 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: because this would be a third contract with the Packers. 283 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: He are He was a two thousand ten draft pick. 284 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: He has now played out his second contract, and I 285 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: know we don't know how these things are gonna go. 286 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: We certainly don't want to put words in anybody's mouth 287 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: as far as this goes. But but where do you 288 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: see this Packers free agent situation sitting right now? Well, 289 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: first off, if you look up, you know, accountability and 290 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: a dictionary, Morgan Burnett's gonna be right next to it. 291 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been I think, not only one of 292 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: the most accountable players on this team, but I think 293 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: you can make an argument for the entire NFL with 294 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: the way he approaches his job on a day to 295 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: day basis in what he's asked to do. And versatility 296 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: might be the other words. Uh. But but here's the 297 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: thing for the Packers. You know, you talked to Aaron 298 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers at the NFL Honors on the red carpet and 299 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: he mentioned you guys talked about the two thousand thirteen 300 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: season going into two thousand fourteen and how he feels 301 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: coming off this collar bone injury, much like the last 302 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: time his eyes are on on an MVP award. I 303 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: take that even one step further. I look, I do 304 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: look at the Packers current situation a lot like two 305 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen going into fourteen and that obviously was the 306 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: year the Packers got on one of their best runs 307 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: under Mike McCarthy. Because really, there are obvious areas where 308 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: the Packers need to improve. I'm not debating that, but 309 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: because they resigned Vante Adams and because they resigned Corey Linsley, 310 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear cut what the Packers are looking at 311 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: in terms of the structure of their roster, the major 312 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: guys to resign, which I think you know, Burnett is 313 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the top of that list, and then how they want 314 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: to proceed with free agency going forward. So they have 315 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: a decision there to make with Burnett, but outside of that, 316 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: it's really just figuring out a little bit of not 317 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: to diminish any these other guys that are coming up 318 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: for contracts, but there are no other guys that I 319 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: think are are rising to the level of, you know, 320 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: a top fifty, top forty type guy. So uh, I 321 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: think for for Brian Goodakoints, this is an opportunity to 322 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: to really look at where you're at. Obviously get your 323 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: input from Mike Patton and where he looks for this 324 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: defense to go. But you know, I think this is 325 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: a good time to be stepping in because the Packers 326 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: do have a lot of guys returning. They did exercise 327 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: that option on Haha, Clinton Dix, he signed up for 328 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: next season. So um, trying to figure out the path forward. 329 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: They already have a lot of those pieces in place. 330 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: It just now it comes down to zero in on 331 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: where you need to improve. Yeah, and the other factor 332 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: obviously with regards to the salary cap and and the 333 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: money and what the Packers will have to spend. We're 334 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: basing things on past history. Aaron Rodgers has two years 335 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: left on his current contract when he was in this 336 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: situation before. Because quarterbacks are treated differently. You don't if 337 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: you want your if you've got your franchise guy, you 338 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: don't let him get into the so called lame duck 339 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: year of a contract. You don't let him get too 340 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: close to free agency. You take care of him with 341 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: a couple of years left. So this would be the 342 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: off season where Aaron Rodgers would potentially get a new deal. 343 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: And when it happened prior the last time, it was 344 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: right around the draft, the first day. This was the 345 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: first day of the draft when that was when that 346 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: was taken care of. So depending on what the Packers 347 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: plans are there, that will also have an impact on 348 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: on what you have under the cap to spend. You 349 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: mentioned Morgan Burnett, you know, Richard Rodgers is another another 350 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: free agent, you know, a two thousand uh, two thousand 351 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: fourteen draft pick, who's who's rookie contract? Janis expiring. Jeff 352 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: janis another one. So there are some names out there 353 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: not saying that they are the front line guys like 354 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley and Davante Adams, which is why the Packers 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: took care of them as quickly as they did. But 356 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: there are some decisions to be made here and uh, 357 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: and we really don't know what the whole picture looks 358 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: like because we're not sure what they're talking about behind 359 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: closed doors with Aaron Rodgers contract and who maybe they're 360 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: looking at from other teams who may or may not 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: become available depending on when franchise tags go out, which 362 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: will be happening here within the next week or two. 363 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot of pieces to this puzzle. 364 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: And just to quickly point this out too, everyone's talking 365 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: about the Jimmy Garoppolo money. You know what Kirk Cousins 366 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: is gonna make. They're gonna get paid, no question, But 367 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rodgers, you have two years under control 368 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: here that allows you to be a little bit more 369 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: flexible on how you do contracts. One thing to consider 370 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: when looking at the mega numbers at those other quarterbacks 371 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and russ Ball always is very efficient and creative both 372 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: with with how he puts that together. But before before 373 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: we go to a break, West, today's a perfect day 374 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: to fill up with some new Campbell's Chunky Max Soup. 375 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Chunky Max is loaded with more meat than you can handle, 376 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot more. We're talking more than a comparable Chunky soup. 377 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: So go on fill up a new Campbell's Chunky Max Soup. 378 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: Campbell's Chunky Soup, the official sup partner of the Green 379 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: Bay Packers back with more on Packers Unscripted. Right after 380 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: this welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford next to 381 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz and West. Quickly before we go, we need 382 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: to give a shout out here to the two thousand 383 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: eighteen entry into the Packers Fan Hall of Fame. And 384 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: her name is Mugs bock Huber, and I just love 385 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: the name. I love the photos we have on the 386 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: website of this one her full lady, Um you covered 387 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the press conference in which she was selected amongst ten 388 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: highly qualified Packer fan fanatics UM for this UH for 389 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: this honor, tell us about mugs well. First off, I 390 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: gotta give credit to UH Victoria McBride from her Packers 391 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: social team. She got a phenomenal photo of her with 392 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: her mouth a gap, a gape, just completely surprised that 393 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: she was in this to begin with. Her daughter jan 394 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: was the one who had nominated her. Didn't tell her 395 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: about it until it came in the mail that she 396 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: was one of ten finalists for at eighty seven years young, 397 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: a mother of eight of span over ten years. So 398 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: as she said that they when you have that many 399 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: kids and that short of a time frame, you had 400 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: to be very careful with when you made your summit 401 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: to lambeau Field. But every single year they go for 402 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: the Bishop Charity preseason game. The rest of the year, 403 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: their house in may Mayville was kind of the hub 404 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: for the family to come together. Her late husband Ray, 405 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: a giant Packer fan, the one that kind of rubbed 406 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: off on on mugs and and since his passing in 407 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, she sort of carried the torch. She's 408 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: at a local retirement home community as you were joking 409 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: about earlier. She ran the Packers pool there. That's that's 410 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: my that's my favorite. That's my favorite part of the 411 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: story is she's the one running, you know, taking everybody's 412 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: money and and running running the little gambling pool at 413 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: the at the uh the senior home there. I just 414 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: I love that part of it, she says. She said 415 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: she did it for ten years and uh and yeah, 416 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: I probably needed to give it up to somebody else. 417 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: But but that's that's pretty cool. And she has a 418 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: she created a Packer song. She's the life of the 419 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: party there. You know, her family, her her great niece 420 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: Jillian Anderson from x files got the social media drum 421 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: beat going for as well. A really special on her 422 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: for her for sure. Yeah, definitely, Well congratulations to her 423 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: as the newest member of the Packers Fan Hall of Fame. 424 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: But we've got to call out a wrap on this 425 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of 426 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team on Packers dot com on Twitter. 427 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: He's at west Hot I'm at Mike Spa for at 428 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, 429 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: See you next time. H M. Hm