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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Raybold.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Good to be home.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, guys. Search for Pats in the

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Speaker 3: I'm good for you.

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Speaker 2: Huh great, good good. It's a little snowy out there.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, that's pretty cool. Snow It's fine. I mean

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Speaker 2: I'm always learning still to just to the weather out here,

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Speaker 2: So the script's always I write down one thing the

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Speaker 2: this is the way the script is, you know. We

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Speaker 2: certain things, and just every day I'm learning more and

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Speaker 3: If you have to turn to alex Eric said, in

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Speaker 3: the event that Marcus isn't ready, what do you see

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Speaker 3: from him that would give your confidence that he could come?

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Speaker 2: U veteran guy who's done it before, you know for

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Speaker 2: in just just being nos of football and working and

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Speaker 2: not saying much And I don't have the same much sayings.

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Speaker 3: So about the onside kick last week, you gonta do

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Speaker 2: To be built. Yeah, well, first and foremost you just

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Speaker 2: never know, like it's a three percent chance to get

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Speaker 2: I need to be able to pursue at a different angle.

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Speaker 2: And that was our first rep our first true like

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Speaker 3: So on the side, I know they have hands, seers, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: Because certain guys, Yeah, you look for guys who are

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Speaker 3: Jamichael hasn't been out at practice for the last three days.

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Speaker 2: He's up on your kickoff return?

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Speaker 3: Who sometimes back there then to you know, if he

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Speaker 3: And I know you said you watch from stuff from

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Speaker 2: Last night was a play with a fair catch at

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Speaker 1: When did you get to see it?

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Speaker 2: And that's had a type of thing you actually bring

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Speaker 1: So for some people watching him, they're like.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's it's a rule. Yeah, it's you

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Speaker 4: Increase maybe the distance and that kick because they don't

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Speaker 2: Kickers are so good now, I mean they had some

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Speaker 3: When it comes to returning, whether it's a punt, sport,

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Speaker 2: Well, the new kickoff rule. It's gonna be different for

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Speaker 2: at this level, every football, every ball is a pocket

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Speaker 2: But in saying that is these footballs are five h

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Speaker 3: And like as a punt return it's very different to

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Speaker 2: Different skill set like I look at punt returns, toy,

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Speaker 2: it's curving and doing a bunch of different things. And

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Speaker 2: punters can punt right, spiral left, spile, they can hook

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Speaker 2: ball it, they can banana it. They can do all

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Speaker 2: kinds of different things with the football. It's hard, man,

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Speaker 2: It's it takes a special talent. Like now it's just

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Speaker 2: able to cash the ball, but tracking the ball and

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Speaker 2: then making decisions while you're tracking the ball. It's hand

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Speaker 2: eye coornation. It's just having a feel for what's in

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Speaker 2: front of you. It takes a special talent to do that.

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Speaker 2: That's not only a few guys can do it, That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's honest.

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Speaker 3: Thinks that you want to say Marcus for probably turning

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Speaker 3: not spending sign on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good. I don't he starts on defense. I

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Speaker 2: mean I've said it before, like, yeah, you can put

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Speaker 2: him back there and you probably have some success because

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Speaker 2: he's so dynamic and so good. But is it at

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Speaker 2: the risk of him getting hurt for the team, And

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Speaker 2: what we need him is the people pump returner and

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Speaker 2: played offense. That's what we need it for. And that's

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Speaker 2: all I care about as you as you guys seen

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Speaker 2: when he's got the ball in his hand on pumping

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Speaker 2: and he can do some things with it no matter

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Speaker 2: who's in front of him.

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Speaker 3: I think all the challenges that punters can present at

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Speaker 3: this level of obviously Bryce, we know he's got a

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Speaker 3: huge like but what other things does he do to.

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Speaker 2: He just he doesn't He's got a good feel for

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Speaker 2: the game. You know, he's understanding like if I'm at

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Speaker 2: to punt? Understanding his his bag of punts, his toolbox,

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Speaker 2: as you say, at different yard lines depending on the weather,

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Speaker 2: depend on the situation. He's able to articulate that kind

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Speaker 2: smart and understands the game, that helps him out a lot,

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Speaker 2: it helps me out a lot. You know. He's he's

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Speaker 2: gonna tell me the call when he comes sound like

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Speaker 2: I want to go punt right or punt left, or

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Speaker 2: hook left or or banana right, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 2: He'll tell me what he wants to do. And then

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Speaker 2: we just got to make sure everyone's in the same

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Speaker 2: on the same uh plan I say, or everyone's on

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Speaker 2: the same board, so we can rock and roll from there.

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Speaker 2: How we going? Man?

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