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Speaker 1: Please be advised. This story contains adult content and graphic language.

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Speaker 1: I'm in this room and they make me write a statement,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm writing a statement and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like a little brother. He wouldn't hurt a fly. Hind.

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Speaker 1: I go, hey, Johnny read off those numbers to me

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Speaker 1: to that gun, Tell me what did they say it?

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Speaker 1: And uh he reads them off Darryl Wazniak and I

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Speaker 1: just was like dropped my chin and I was like, ah, ship.

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Speaker 1: When I get myself into Welcome to Sleuth, I'm Linda

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Speaker 1: Sawyer with another exclusive Sleuth speaks to Tim wasniaks lifelong

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Speaker 1: former friend, Bob Castillo. Bob shares his stories that helped

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Speaker 1: present a window into Tim wasniacs world. Bob's insights reveal

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Speaker 1: Tim's role in the murders of Sam Hair and Julie Kibuishi,

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Speaker 1: murders that for now on, his younger brother Dance sits

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Speaker 1: alone for on San Quentin's death. Row sources tell me

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Speaker 1: that Daniel Wozniak worries that this podcast will reveal enough

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Speaker 1: of Tim's participation, which could ultimately land Tim in a

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Speaker 1: cell right next to his brother. Is he right after

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Speaker 1: Forward Slash Sleuth Podcast. So, Bob Kristilla, I want to

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Speaker 1: welcome you to Sleuth today and thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here. My pleasure. So with that for our

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Speaker 1: listeners benefit, you knew Tim Wazniak quite a bit. I

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Speaker 1: mean you knew him way back in your early years,

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Speaker 1: probably one of his closest friends at one point, that

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Speaker 1: would be correct. And over the years did you start

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Speaker 1: seeing a change in him, because he came to you

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Speaker 1: with some pretty odd requests and a very strange offer

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Speaker 1: that made you wonder what was going on in his

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Speaker 1: life at that point. And this was about a few

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Speaker 1: days after the murderers took place. So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about what he came and offered to you at

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Speaker 1: that moment. Well, I was at a friend's house and

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Speaker 1: he had come over with Afghanistan money and a card

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Speaker 1: that he said it was his dad's gas card, and

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Speaker 1: our tanks up, and I told him we don't take

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Speaker 1: stolen stuff here. This isn't the first time you've came

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Speaker 1: with it. I told you not to bring that stuff here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to get the Afghanistan money turned

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Speaker 1: in and go to the embassy or the American Council.

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Speaker 1: Where did you get it? And he was just like,

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Speaker 1: gave me some bullshit? Got it? And so did you

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Speaker 1: buy any chance? See the actual physical card and see

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Speaker 1: Sam Harris name. Money. Never touched the card. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even look at it, just said no. So you knew

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Speaker 1: this was something that he's done in the past, and

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Speaker 1: you just figured, once again, you don't want to be

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Speaker 1: bothered with that, not knowing that it was attached to

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Speaker 1: a double homicide. Yeah, I didn't want to be involved

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Speaker 1: with a felony because of something he was doing before

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Speaker 1: I even had any clue what it was really about,

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Speaker 1: which is way more serious. And you had seen your

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Speaker 1: friend over the years sort of decline into this drug

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Speaker 1: fueled life that he had. He wasn't really holding a job.

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Speaker 1: He was let go from the UPS job. From what

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Speaker 1: I understand from his cousin Kathleen Comfort, said that he

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Speaker 1: the main reason was he didn't do the deliveries for UPS.

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Speaker 1: What he she's been doing deliveries and if they figured out, well,

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Speaker 1: way back into her heart. Yeah. Well, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: the government and the Cerritos Parks and Wreck Department, correct,

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Speaker 1: I mean she was a superintendent. Right. She did me

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Speaker 1: reasons why I did what I did too. She brought

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Speaker 1: on my own. And then that's when she told She's like, Tim,

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Speaker 1: When I first met him. He was a good friend

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Speaker 1: You want to know how I met him? Where I

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Speaker 1: was going to geology and uh, I had a hooter

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Speaker 1: He was always a little weird though, like inviting me

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Speaker 1: little quirky sometimes. You know. You also told me something

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Speaker 1: that but he did. It was already inside of him, right.

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Speaker 1: high browing things and Tim want to hang out with them.

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Speaker 1: And Tim hated his brothers, you like, never talked good

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Speaker 1: many years, right there was until the time he said

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Speaker 1: to when you had the first indication that you needed

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Speaker 1: Tim has Let's talk about how you first came in

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Speaker 1: possession of the gun that murdered Sam Harrer and Julie Capuishi. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I was at my friend's house after he came

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Speaker 1: And so they came over, they got the gun. Me

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Speaker 1: so coast, so Coasta Masa got the call to come up.

429
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: Internal affairs jammed Johnny Law for four hours. How he

430
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: knew me? He's like, don't never tell me anything, Like yeah,

431
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: like my god, I was trying to tell your bone dude.

432
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Internal affairs for the Long Beach. Yeah. Yes, they wanted

433
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: to know how he knew me and what his connection was. Yeah,

434
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: and so he had explained. I didn't know that afterwards. Yeah,

435
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: I was that it was getting in deterrogated for like

436
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: nine hours, and so the people that were interrogating you

437
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: were again the Coast of Masa detective. Yes, before they

438
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: get to me, I'm in this room and they make

439
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: me write a statement. And so I'm writing a statement

440
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, he's like a little brother.

441
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: He wouldn't hurt a fly hind I go, hey, Johnny

442
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: read off those numbers to me to that gun. Tell

443
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: me what did they say? And uh, he reads them

444
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: off Darryl Wozniak, and I just was like dropped my

445
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: chin and I was like a ship when I get

446
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: myself into So at that point, wait, wait when he

447
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: when you said to him, read the numbers, the serial

448
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: numbers of the gun that I opened him and took.

449
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: I told Johnny, I go, hey, I didn't touch him,

450
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: but I read the numbers off. Whose gun is this

451
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: belongs to? So you gave Johnny the numbers or he

452
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: he just read them. I read him. I read him

453
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: off to Johnny and then he ran the numbers. And

454
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: that's when he came back to you and said who

455
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: was the only on the substation? Yeah? And I heard

456
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: it over the radio saying john came back is Daryl

457
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: woznia accident. I was like, oh ship. And so at

458
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: that point the forty Texas were like, you know when

459
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: you talk to you, And they brought me into this

460
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: room untill nine o'clock at nine, and we went over

461
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: and over and over and they kept saying, we think

462
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: you're a good stand up friend, but we also think

463
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to hide something and I'm looking at him like,

464
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were talking about the box

465
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: and everything in the box, and I didn't know anything

466
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: with the tools and the bloody clothes and all of

467
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: Sam's possessions, right, And I don't even know what was

468
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: in there until afterwards. But you only knew what Tim

469
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: told you, right, And I go, you know, also I

470
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: know is that two people were killed or something like that.

471
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: And they're like, uh. They arrested me at that point.

472
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: They handcuffed me and said now you finally, why did

473
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: it take you this long to use the word murder.

474
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a wanted sign with sam hairs picture

475
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: on it saying wanted with the murdered Asian girl right

476
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: next to it. I go, not only that, when I

477
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: was coming down here and my friend, the officer, he

478
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: showed me the same want to sign, and when I

479
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: was writing the statement, it was on the wall. So

480
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: I said, you know, so they were all piste off

481
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: the handcuffed and the only reason why you kept saying

482
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: two homicides is because that's what Tim told you the

483
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: night before. He told me two different things. And I

484
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: told the officers, I'm like, hey, look this guy can't

485
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: tell the truth if you put a gun into his mouth,

486
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm like, he told me two different stories,

487
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you everything you know he told me,

488
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: which I told him I was gonna do. And you did.

489
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: And on the on the cuffs were slapped on your wrists,

490
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: cuffed me up and took me in a little cramped

491
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: up back of a cop car. The whole time, everybody's going,

492
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing, and I'm like, doesn't feel

493
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: that way. From when I'm leaving my house. That's when

494
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: Johnny was like, you're doing the right thing. They already

495
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: have a full confession. I can't tell you anything else.

496
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you talking about? And

497
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: so through the interrogation, I'm leaving his handcuffs in the

498
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: back of a cop car to sit to head down

499
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: to Coast Amon. Yes, and the one officers like, you're

500
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. Because again, the people that were

501
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: interrogating you were the Coast Macon Police, but they had

502
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: come up to the Long Beach station to get you,

503
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: and that's when they interrogated you, interviewed you whatever, and

504
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: then brought you down to Coasta Macon after they decided

505
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: to arrest you for accessory after the fact. Now, mind you,

506
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock to nine o'clock, no one could find Tim

507
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: or any high And they looked at his house, his

508
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: girlfriend's house, They looked all over the place, and I said, look,

509
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: all I know is the last time he was checking

510
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: out of this hotel by Brooks College or whatever. And

511
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: so they told me, well, he better be there. You're

512
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna be in a lot of trouble he guys. You know,

513
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: It's like, this is why people don't help you guys out,

514
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: because now look at me. And so I'm going totally

515
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: jammed up for doing the right things. So I go

516
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: to the to the coast of masa Um station and

517
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: there's these two dudes that look like they haven't slept

518
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: for days. These two detectives, I told him, just polygraphed

519
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: me and I've been at this all day. And they're like, well,

520
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: we appreciate your cooperation. What was this hotel you're talking about?

521
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: And I told the one detective I go it was?

522
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: I called it um what I call it? I call

523
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: it something else. I was like Ponchos And I said,

524
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: was Ponto's hotel by Brooks College. You know, but that's

525
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: the restaurant. It's the Dawns and Ponto's the restaurant next Toye.

526
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: It got it. I didn't know the Dawns was the

527
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: name at the time. And the one detectives like, I

528
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: think I know what place you're talking about, told me

529
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: go in the cell, don't talk to anybody, tell him

530
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: why you're here, and just kick back. So I did,

531
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: and around two thirty in the morning, they're like four

532
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: guys came in. They're like, okay, you could leave now.

533
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: And the reason why Lisa and Tim were burning Afghan

534
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: money and credit cards, Sam's some of Sam's cards, was

535
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: because they knew you were all of a sudden you

536
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: they couldn't find you, right. She she had the sense

537
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: of knowing she didn't hear from you for a pretty

538
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: long period of time, so she just figured it was

539
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: a matter of time before the police showed up at

540
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: the hotel. Yeah, she told Tim, what do you think,

541
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: what do you think Bob is right now? Bob's and

542
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: jail waiting. They're waiting to find you before they let

543
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: him out. And obviously he and she said go get

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: some vodka because this is our last night here. They're

545
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: going to come. I don't know anything about that, but

546
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: I do know that she was telling you that just okay.

547
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: She she told me that, she was like, I knew

548
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: you were in jail. They're all looking for him, and

549
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: they were gonna hold you until they find him. And

550
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: it was a matter of time before they showed up,

551
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: she said, at the hotel. And I think he had

552
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: much interest in Uh, he didn't give her rats ask

553
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: like he tried to give me this card, that CARDI

554
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I later found out for me that three times he

555
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: was denied on it and then because he didn't know

556
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: the zip code. So when you use those cards and

557
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: it was a debit card he was using, you need

558
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: to put in the zip code at the gas station.

559
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: And when you can't put the proper zip code in,

560
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: it kicks it back. And that's what happened. Come pastored,

561
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Come pastor. So uh yeah, what a dick. But um yeah, so,

562
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean because if you did what you wouldn't and

563
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: you didn't, but if you did take him up on

564
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: that offer, that would have implicated you. Oh, it implicated him.

565
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: It would have strangled him the minute I saw him.

566
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, I didn't even touch the card

567
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: and I told him what I told you about bringing

568
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: ship like that over too, because my buddy was pissed

569
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: about that. But when he found out everything that happened,

570
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he was like, don't It was like dead rabbits,

571
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: don't bring his name up anymore. A lot of people,

572
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're like already talking about oh yeah, this

573
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: and that, and you know, like I was trying to

574
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: hang in his corner as long as I could, But

575
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: after I started piecing it all together, I was like,

576
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is not this is not looking good.

577
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: It's not looking good at all. And then, of course,

578
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: subsequent to you learning more as the time went on,

579
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: like everything he told me from a month previous to

580
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: up until it all popped out, it's stuck in my

581
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: head and I started questioning about stuff, and everything I

582
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: was questioning him pretty much was on the money all

583
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: the way up to where month previously when he was

584
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: talking about his brother getting his parents a hot air

585
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: balloon thing, and let's talk about the hot air balloon

586
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 1: because people want to know at one point did Danny

587
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: actually get his father's gun. And from my understanding from

588
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: all the people that I've interviewed, there was this weekend

589
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: that Danny bought these tickets. You told me that Tim

590
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: mentioned too. It was during the season, and that was

591
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: a little precarious that weather wise, you really shouldn't be

592
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: going up in a hot air balloon. And at the

593
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: same time, he's also telling me there's brothers in their

594
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: credit cards and stuff fraud, and I'm like, getting numbers

595
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: for credit cards, and I'm like, that's your get down, dude,

596
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: that's what you were doing when you were working. Tim's

597
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: telling you that that's what Danny's doing, when in fact,

598
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: that was always Tim's emma, right, And he was telling

599
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: me Danny had three d U I s or something

600
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: like that, and that's why his parents didn't want him

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: at the house. Is it just wasn't adding up. That

602
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: wasn't Danny's character. It was out a character for Danny

603
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: in many ways. It felt like he was becoming Tim.

604
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: It's what you thought. I mean, yeah, I mean yeah,

605
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: his character was not like that. So I know, I

606
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: was asking to him to get your brother on some

607
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: drugs or something, and you were shocked to learn that

608
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: his m O was just like it was like a

609
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: reading an open book, you know, And so I asked

610
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: him and he said no, I'm like you sure, I

611
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: want to go talk to your brother how to sit

612
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: down with them. So, so before you get to that

613
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the Hot air Balloon weekend, I want to tell our

614
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: listeners that it was a weekend that Danny had bought

615
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: these tickets for an anniversary present for his parents Arns.

616
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: And he then came to the house because, as you said,

617
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed in the house alone because of some

618
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: things that happened. He had stole he had stole a

619
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: check and wrote it for ten dollars, stole a credit

620
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: card and ran that up. So he was doing things

621
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: that really made them feel vulnerable and they couldn't trust

622
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: him at that point. And again probably with the drugs

623
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: and the lifestyle. Eventually you need money if you can't

624
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: hold a job, right, But so he sent his parents

625
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: on that Hot Air Balloon weekend and Tim and Lisa

626
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: and Dan and Rachel all spent the weekend at the

627
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: Wazniat Comb And that was the weekend that Danny got

628
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Darryl's gun. And that was about a month or so

629
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: before the murders. And would he wouldn't know where it

630
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: would be, right, he wouldn't tell us where because you

631
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: know where where or are you saying just then, who

632
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: does know where it would be? Well? Tim would So basically,

633
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: in order for Dan to take possession of the gun,

634
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: he would need Tim's help to actually know where it

635
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: was located at the house. Get in the house, I mean,

636
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: and you said Tim would drive around with that gun.

637
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Tim had a propensity for dating married women, and so

638
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the husbands would find out and get upset him. He

639
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: had Lisa had a husband and two kids in the

640
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: house previously being with Tim, and after Tim was good

641
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: buddies with her husband and decided, you know, his husband

642
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: even gave him a car at one point, and the

643
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he figured that wasn't enough, so

644
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: he took his wife. And then she lost her kids,

645
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: her car, Mercedes, her husband, and she using jail for Tim. Shit,

646
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: and Tim's laughing about it, laughing at the letter she sent,

647
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: reading me the letter that people raised money for her bail,

648
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: and he went and gambled it. He was trying to

649
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: raise money. I think he raised like a hundred bucks

650
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: and went gambled it and laughed about that too. Tim

651
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: was a real He thought he could double his money

652
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: and he didn't think He's doubling his money. He ain't

653
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna walk away from the table. Tim is the worst

654
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: gambler in the world. In fact, I can vouch for

655
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: that because every interview I've had with Tim, he always

656
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: goes over to the lottery ticket machine in the bar

657
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and he buys a scratch off and he's scratching away,

658
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: scratching away, and I'm like, and he never wins anything,

659
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: But I just think, what an odd thing to do.

660
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: But when you have no money to begin with, and

661
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: so okay, so we're going back to that weekend. Uh,

662
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: we knew that that was the weekend that Dan in

663
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: fact got the gun. He actually told Steve Hair In

664
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: one of four visits that Steve had with Daniel Wozniak

665
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: while he was awaiting his trial for the capital murders

666
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: of Sam and Julie, Danny told Steve Hair that at

667
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: one point he was thinking of killing his parents. He

668
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: said to Steve, you know, Sam wasn't my first target,

669
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: and Steve said, well who was? And with his Bible

670
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: in his hand, Danny took a little golf pencil that

671
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: was there and wrote my parents in the Bible. And

672
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: so that was the weekend. I know that Tim told

673
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: you that he was even thinking of killing his parents,

674
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: and the fast forward all the way up to the

675
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: present day, the message that we both heard of his

676
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: oldest brother. It's just tell all that, yeah, this has

677
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: probably been It's probably been a little thing they've been

678
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: planning for a while, and now you know it's like

679
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: and what you're referring to is a audio recording that

680
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: we've both heard that Mike left a message on Tim's

681
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: cell phone saying, have you killed mom yet? And after

682
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: previously of what hind this thing he did to his father,

683
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: which is like Bernard hell as far as i'm because

684
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Darrel was a really good person, didn't deserve that. So

685
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about Arrow's untimely death, and what happened was

686
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Mike in December of Mike is the oldest Wasasnia, so

687
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: it's Mike Wasniak, then Tim Wasniak, who's I think close

688
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: to seven years apart, and then Tim and Dan are

689
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: ten years apart, and Dan being the youngest. But Mike

690
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: came home for a holiday visit, a Christmas visit, and

691
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: you had said he was a wrestler at one point

692
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and to keep a certain weight, he did a lot

693
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: of steroids, the combination of the steroids steroids now, but

694
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it's that that roid rage, right, that part of roid

695
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: rage and part of greed, I would say. I mean

696
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: they all were like trying to like rush that Harriet's

697
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, the inheritance. It's kind of like

698
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: openly blunt and obviously I mean when I heard Tim

699
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: say what he said on the phone that one time,

700
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: he told me, my brother's in jail for life, and

701
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: you just put a gun in your mouth. So she

702
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: told Mike to kill himself and he said, that just

703
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: leaves me. It's all about the money, about the nest egg.

704
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: And so so what happened that Christmas was whatever, For

705
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Mike and Darryl had a heated conversation and

706
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Mike pummeled him so badly him and you came in

707
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: and saw him to explain what his what he looked

708
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: like when you came into the house. Then he was

709
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: just doing so good too, and he was moving around,

710
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: he was doing really good. And then he did that.

711
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: And when I went and Daryl was not a well man.

712
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: He was he was just coming out of very overweight,

713
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: walked around with a cane right. He had a lot

714
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: of health issues and he was just getting his health

715
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: back and being able to move around again. And when

716
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: he did that, and when I went in there to

717
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: see him, they didn't want me to go see him.

718
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: But I went in there and I saw him because

719
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: I had a good relationship with Darryl and I'd always

720
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: talked to him, you know. And you saw him in

721
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: the house. I saw him in the house in the bed,

722
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: and he was like, just oh, I got two black eyes,

723
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: bruises on his legs and arms. It was just horrible.

724
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: I want to kill Mike, but he was a Missouri

725
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: so I couldn't. You know, Well he wasn't yet They

726
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: kicked that that night. They kicked him out to that.

727
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he basically Marryann. When Tim arrived, Tim said,

728
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: Marian said, your brother is never allowed back in this

729
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: house again. But she didn't call an ambulance. She didn't

730
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: bring him to the hospital that night because Danny had

731
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: just started his capital case. From what Tim said, all

732
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: of the bruising and the injuries would have prompted the

733
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: doctors to call the police. He could have had, yeah,

734
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: you could have head injuries. Who knows what he had.

735
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: And he got beat up and he died a month later.

736
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: A month later, he passed and went into a coma,

737
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and I told him, if you talked to your brother,

738
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I know he's your brother, but after what he did,

739
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: if you talked to him, did, I mean, dude, what

740
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: the funk? And he's like, I'll never talk to him.

741
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: And then he talked to him, and then I heard

742
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: that message in their laugh killing killing afterward, and he's

743
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: joking around about it. I'm just like, I mean, like

744
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: there's a new level of piece of ship and that's

745
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: it right there. I mean, and his brother. I was

746
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: just a contender for who's the biggest piece of ship,

747
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: but you never know who's well. Didn't you also tell

748
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: me that Tim at one point was going to dress

749
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: up as his brother for Halloween and would walk around

750
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: calling him Richard Ramirez the night Stalker. Yeah, that's that's

751
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: a little joke of Halloween one time. And then he

752
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: told me, you know, he was like he's not a

753
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: pretty proud of his brother. When he came out of

754
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: jail there last time, he was like, to get all

755
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: my drugs because they everybody like my brother, Like, do

756
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: you hear what you're saying? Dude? Like there's no, there's

757
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: no you know, I just it's a long person of

758
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: how he used to tell the story. It was like

759
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: poor me. I'd look at him, going, did you're full

760
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: of ship? Dude? Poor me? Well, let's talk about just

761
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: how full of ship he is, because I have now

762
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: been saying on this podcast for many, many weeks that

763
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Tim was involved in these murders. And the reason I

764
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: say that is for many reasons, but the first one

765
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk about, which is a phone call

766
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: that took place between Tim and Dan at the intermission

767
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: of the nine performance on Saturday night. Now, Saturday night

768
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: was the same night that Steve Hair found Julie Kibilishi's

769
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: body in his son's Sam's apartment. And so during the

770
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: nine performance, Dan shared a dressing room with the Young Guido,

771
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: a young boy, a ten year old boy that was

772
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: playing the younger version of of Dan's character in that musical.

773
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: And Dan was on the phone with Tim at the

774
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: time of this intermission, and Dan learned that Tim had

775
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: to break a window for he and Lisa Gollege to

776
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: get into the apartment that Saturday night. And so this

777
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: young boy is overhearing one side of the phone call

778
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: where Dan is saying things like you had to break

779
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: my window, and I'll tell you where the keys are

780
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: to Sam's car. You have to sell the car. You

781
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: have to get rid of the crate. The crate had

782
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: all the tools in it, the bloody tools that he

783
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: had dismembered Sam's body earlier that day, had Sam's bloody

784
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: clothes and his bloody clothes, and Sam's possessions. So Dan

785
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: was directing Tim where that crate was and that he

786
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: had to get rid of it as well. And this

787
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: young boy overheard half of the entire conversation, which he

788
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: later came forward with his father to share with the

789
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Costa Mesa police. Tim knew everything at that point, right,

790
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: he knew it all. Why was he having to do

791
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: all these things if he didn't know the details of

792
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: what happened with those murders. I mean he came with that,

793
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: with that paper and that card. The day before he

794
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: came with what he told me, And on Tuesday he

795
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: came with that with the Afghan money asking where he

796
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: could trade it in, and and the credit card. It

797
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: was it was the Wednesday night was when you first

798
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: learned about this guy, right, this evidence, but the day

799
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: before is when he said to you, oh, I'll fill

800
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: up your guests. So given all that, Sam Harry was

801
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: killed days before that, you know, I s tell his

802
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: dad like, you know, every time you got in trouble,

803
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: like you can't keep bailing him out, you know, you

804
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: can give him some tough love, or he's gonna keep

805
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: doing it, you know. But that's not how merry And

806
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: treats her boys, right. I mean I was telling Darrell

807
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: that and he's like, yeah, that's my son, you know.

808
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but you're gonna hurt him more,

809
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, spoil a rod or something to say, you know,

810
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: say the child. And he'd give them money every day,

811
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: knowing that he probably wasn't using it in the best way,

812
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: but because he needed But he needed money because you

813
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: couldn't go outside because his parents were, um, they're really

814
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: good people, but older parents. Yeah, older parents in a

815
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: higher social class, they like to have that persona of

816
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: the status, so they expected that of their kids too,

817
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: But they couldn't live up to that. And that's one

818
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: of the things that at first I thought, maybe that's

819
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: what Danny was trying to do, is live up to

820
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: that with that budget. But it was just the drugs.

821
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: I think it was just clouded his head so much

822
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: that that's all he was thinking about, is I need

823
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: to get that, and I need to have a place

824
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: to do it, and I need to have this girl

825
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: be happy, and I need to do anything to make

826
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: that happen. Well, I get the sense from Tim and

827
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: also Kathleen comfort their cousin, that none of the boys

828
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: could live up to the expectations that Marian had tried

829
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: so desperately to hold on to. You know that, like

830
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: you said that the image and the status that all

831
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: mattered to her and presenting a good picture of this

832
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: perfect little family, right, and the boys could never They

833
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: felt like they could never live up to it. And

834
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: they no matter who they brought home, the girls weren't

835
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: the right girls. The girls weren't good enough. There was

836
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: a problem with each girl. But um, well, you know

837
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: what he had actually had way back in the day.

838
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: He had one Italian girl that I thought she was

839
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: really good girl. She's pretty and her parents were looking

840
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: on and she had a good job. But she had

841
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: scoliosis and so she couldn't you have to take care

842
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: of her in a wheelchair, you can't do that. But

843
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: she was a good girl, and I was kind of

844
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: like a highbrow. Then he had another girl, and she

845
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: was like, it gives you, like the traffic tickets if

846
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: you try traffic traffic cop. He couldn't hide his life

847
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: with her. And that's another one that like she found

848
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: out quickly her husband that's actually her husband is one

849
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: of the guys that he was trying to run them

850
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: around down on the freeway one time in the middle

851
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: of the freeway and Tim the husband's grandmother's house, and

852
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: that's when Tim used Darryl gun. The husband put a

853
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: lock and said, you're not using my grandmother's electricity and

854
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: put a lock on electrical box. And that's when Tim

855
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: came out and pulled that same gun on him, which

856
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, the guy's a big guy too, and uh,

857
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: the same gun that he actually threatened his cousin Kathleen with.

858
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah he's an idiot. Yeah, yeah. So Marianne wasn't happy

859
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: speaking of guns. She was not happy with you or

860
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Tim for for turning in this gun. Right, I mean,

861
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: your relationship with her changed after that. I mean I

862
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: never even mentioned in all this time Danny's name, that

863
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: gun or any of this to her. In fact, the

864
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: first time I seen her when I got out of jail.

865
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: As Tim was leaving, tell me he's to be right back,

866
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: and never came back. And I was sitting there watching

867
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: his mother. I told her don't look at the news

868
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: or to read the papers for the next two weeks.

869
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, people are telling me that. I'm like, yeah,

870
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that too. This is once

871
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Danny confessed to the murderers, right, this is yes, this

872
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: is after he did. Because when I walked in the house,

873
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: she's talking about it's too bad Danny came out of

874
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: a coma. And I'm like, I don't know. I just

875
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell she's talking about, Like

876
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. It's like, oh, yeah, he he

877
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: tried to kill himself and jumped on did a head

878
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: or on the bench on the sink. He he hit

879
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: his head and he jumped from the top. I've heard

880
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: people say that's how you can get out of there

881
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: and just get on the top bunk and do a

882
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: head first, gainer, you know whatever. But you were surprised

883
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: because she said he would he would have been better

884
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: off if he died in that coma. Maryan. He was

885
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: talking in the police ride over to the Orange County

886
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Men's jail, asking them how he could kill himself. He

887
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: also asked Rachel that the inmates, they'll tell him a

888
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: lot faster. And he also, I think you listened to

889
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: the recordings the the police taped recordings the jailhouse calls

890
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: that I like to call them that Dan made to

891
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: Rachel before and after he confessed to the murders. And

892
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: he said in those calls at one point that he

893
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: wanted to kill himself. He couldn't go on. And but

894
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I know that you listened to those calls. I'd love

895
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: to know your your observation of that. Rachel comments, it's

896
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: no big deal. There's no big deal. He just told

897
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you two people were killed, and you you know, you

898
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: know Lione, bitch, you know you had something to do

899
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: with that. But putting that off my own opinion, I

900
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: was saying, like, there's no big deal. He's in jail

901
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: and two people are dead. It is a big deal.

902
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: He's like a heartless ice queen. Is that the take

903
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: pretty much from listening to those calls? Did you? Oh? Yeah,

904
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: I wrapped the bat. I mean I told him I

905
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: go if you if I find out you and your

906
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: brother and her were all hitting that pipe. Then I'll

907
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: know that you guys were all involved with the ship.

908
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: And speaking of hitting that pipe, you at one point

909
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: did say to Tim, I want to go down and

910
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: talk to your brother. Whatever he told you about the drugs,

911
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: he did say to you that he was getting involved

912
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: in these credit cards scams, and you were starting to

913
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: get worried that Dan in fact, was slipping into the

914
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: Tim lifestyle. So you wanted to go down there and talk. Right,

915
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Danny hadn't been to that house for three months as

916
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed over there because of d u I's

917
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: He was involved with this credit card stealing from his parents.

918
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that, but he was involved with

919
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: the credit card and fake numbers. And I was like, Tim,

920
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: this is like starting to look like you're you're rapet here,

921
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: you know. I want to go talk to your brother,

922
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but he wasn't home when we

923
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: went over. Actually, when we went over there, Sam Hair

924
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: said hide to Tim up in the balcony and he's like, oh,

925
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: what's up. Sam. He's like, oh, yeah, he's cool. We

926
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: drink together. I'm like, right on, where's your brother now?

927
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: So we go over there and he so you met

928
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Sam briefly. I didn't really meet him quick exchange, not

929
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: even high Tim said hi to him. I was just

930
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: walking with him into the the down one another. Yes. Yeah,

931
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: he was up up on the balcony where he lived,

932
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: drinking and he looked over the back and he said,

933
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: hie to Tim. We went into his brother's apartment. His

934
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: brothers wasn't there, and Jim's telling me how he's gonna

935
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: move into the closet and the balcony or some ship

936
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: like that. There was a walking closet off the hall. Yeah,

937
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: it was a goofy ship. And I was like, you know,

938
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: you don't even you can't stand your brother, and you're

939
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna move into his patio closet. It didn't add up.

940
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: So that was very strange for you to hear when

941
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: you knew for so when of years he did not

942
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: get along with his brother and his brother. Yeah, I

943
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: mean he sawas called his brother Satan so and his

944
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: brother was just like over zealously nice, Like dude, you

945
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: don't have to put that big fake smile. Did he

946
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: called his brother Satan just out of jealousy because the

947
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: golden child he was the golden child. And then ten

948
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: years later Danny comes along, and then Danny's everything and

949
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: took away his steam, took away his sper was like

950
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: it was Mike was the black, the black sheep. And

951
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: then and Tim was this beautiful blonde blue eyes. When

952
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: I met Timm, he served, he scuba died, he was

953
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: He's a mountain. You know. We could go places. I

954
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: could get him a ticket to Hawaii, and he couldn't

955
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: go on unless Mom said it was like, well no,

956
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: unless he had his tricks with him, his little glass piece,

957
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: like you don't want to go too far from the chain.

958
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: But he changed. He changed a lot from when I

959
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: first hung out with him. He was that addicted that

960
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: he couldn't even go on a holiday. Was still sorry sorry,

961
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: yes for our listeners. He's been in and out of

962
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: jail now on a domestic violence charge, on parole violations.

963
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a string of them. And I

964
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: think that the prosecutor must wonder what kind of situation

965
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: he's got himself into with making an arrangement with Tim.

966
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that arrangement with Tim, because the prosecutor

967
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: has said that he made no deal with Tim. But

968
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I in my interviews with Tim, Tim point blank told

969
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: me that the prosecutor made a deal with his attorney.

970
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: And I actually want to read to you in one

971
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: of our interviews, just to refresh your memory the conversation

972
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: we had about the dialogue you had with Tim about

973
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: this deal that he made with the prosecutor. Tim said

974
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: to you, all I have to do is point the

975
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: fing at my brother, and I'm free. I don't have

976
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: to do no time. And you said, well, happy birthday, Tim,

977
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: I guess you got what you wanted. You're getting away

978
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: with everything. And Tim said, I know. I told you

979
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not getting charged. I knew a year ago. My

980
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: lawyer said all I have to do is point the

981
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: finger at Danny. And you said, wow, you really got

982
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: a good lawyer. If I ever end up killing anybody,

983
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: that's the person I'll call. He must have went to

984
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: the same school as Johnny Cochrane, You and O J. Timmy,

985
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: you and O Jo. I mean, I know he said

986
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: some stuff to me and uh, and it was in

987
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: the terms of the lawyer was going to handle this

988
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: for him. And he's telling men, you're not smarter than

989
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: the FBI. But obviously your lawyer is you know so well?

990
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: He he would sell that to Kathleen Comfort and to

991
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: his other friends that he was smarter than the FBI.

992
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: He duped the coast of Masa police he he he uh.

993
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: He basically got away with it all. And is that

994
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: was something to be proud of? Is if? I mean?

995
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: He he's a great guy. I just I just went

996
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: through all that. And then when I got out, we

997
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: were at a friend's apartment and then she had went

998
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: to bed, and it was just me and him in

999
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: the founder room by ourselves, and I'm trying to like

1000
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: talk to him about what the funk happened, and he's

1001
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: just denying everything, and I'm like, dude, you're talking to

1002
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: me and he's like my lawyer said, I can't say

1003
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: and don't talk to anybody's. I was like did, And

1004
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I start passing me off because it was like, did

1005
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: you left me in there? No one came to get me,

1006
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: knowing that I was there for you guys, you know,

1007
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: for you, and you lied to me and you got

1008
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: me involved, and you point blank lied to me someone

1009
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: you've known since the tenth grade. But the lying thing

1010
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: is just that's it. That's what he does and lying

1011
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: is what he does. And I told them, if you

1012
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: know Tim, he couldn't tell the truth. Man, if you

1013
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: he prefers to lie to tell the truth. Well, that

1014
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: that actually uh segues into to what I have learned

1015
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: based on a proffer that the District Attorney's office offered

1016
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: Tim and his attorney. And a proffer is basically a

1017
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: tool that if you sit in a room with the

1018
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: prosecutor and you answer questions honestly and forthright, you cannot

1019
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: be prosecuted for anything you say in that room during

1020
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: that time. Who lawyer, Well, your lawyer is there. But

1021
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: in other words, the prosecutor. The prosecutor was there, Matt

1022
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Murphy and Jose Morales, one of the lead detectives in

1023
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: the case, was in the room, and Steve, Tim's attorney

1024
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: was there as well. And the point is is that

1025
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: the prosecutors allowed, or the police are allowed, to ask

1026
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: you any question about the case they want. And the

1027
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: bottom line is, however you answer, if that answer is

1028
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: going to implicate you in a felony or a crime,

1029
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: they cannot prosecute you. That's the proffer. And so Tim

1030
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: had a chance to say it all at that point,

1031
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: but instead and I have a copy of that proffer,

1032
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: each and every page, and that proferts about eighty pages long,

1033
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: transcribed each and every page. He lied. He lied consistently

1034
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: over and over, and it actually went ended up going nowhere.

1035
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: They didn't get really too much out of him at all.

1036
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: And so to me, if you're not willing to tell

1037
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: the truth and a proffer, you're you're involved, and you

1038
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to know anything, right, and you're too

1039
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: afraid to come forward, and so you don't use that opportunity.

1040
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: But instead they still went with him as a witness

1041
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: for the prosecution because they needed Tim Wozniak to tell

1042
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: the jurors that Danny did not have any mental problems

1043
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: and then he grew up in a family that took

1044
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: good care of him and there was never any sign

1045
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: of mental compacitation whatsoever. So there's no way that he

1046
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: can claim that he did this because he was insane.

1047
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: Just for the record, Tim Waznia did plead guilty to

1048
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: one felony and no jail time, which is what he

1049
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: has told everybody. His attorney told him. Tim has told

1050
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: everybody that he told He told everybody that Lisa was

1051
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: in jail for her kids, and I'm like, that's bullshit.

1052
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: She's in jail for after the accessory and because she

1053
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: was there the Saturday night at the apartment. In fact,

1054
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: the reason why I think she bolted out of that

1055
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: apartment and the reason why she kept saying buck you Tim,

1056
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: fuck you Tim, and she was running down the street.

1057
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: He dragged her into that moment. She saw all the

1058
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: cop cars there because Steve Hare at the same time

1059
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: that that Lisa and Tim were in Dan's apartment, Steve

1060
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: Hare was three floors up in Sam's apartment and he

1061
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: found Julie's body. So all the police cars were there,

1062
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: and she saw that and she wanted no part of

1063
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: any of it. She probably also saw the crate with

1064
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: the bloody tools and the clothes and everything else because

1065
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: it's a one bedroom apartment. I mean, it probably even smelled.

1066
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, she knew that he got her into this

1067
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: mess and she wanted out. Uh. They immediately, I mean,

1068
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm asking you. They immediately went and

1069
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: disposed of that the nature center after they had done that,

1070
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: or it was a there like a day what was

1071
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: from the from the naval base. They went to either

1072
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Saturday Saturday Dan went back to the base the Joint

1073
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: Forces based in Los Alamitos, and he proceeded to dismember

1074
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: Sam's botty. He left in there and then went back

1075
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: and di Manimum correct and evidence seems to point to

1076
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: Dan having someone help him in the dismemberment of Sam's body.

1077
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Editor's note and another reason why it is my belief

1078
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: that Dan Wozniak had helped dismembering Sam Hare's body. In

1079
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: the Addict of the Theater, it was because sleuth has

1080
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: obtained exclusive crime scene photos where it is very clear

1081
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: that there are two distinct sets of footprints surrounding Sam's body.

1082
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: In the Addict of the Theater as well, Tim Wasniak

1083
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: used to share with Kathleen Comfort his cousin, how he

1084
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: was haunted and had dreams and he couldn't get the

1085
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: sound of bones crunching out of his head. Tim would

1086
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: also comment to Kathleen how the tools they took from

1087
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: Noah's shed were the worst possible choices to use to

1088
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: do what they had to do. They weren't effective at all.

1089
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: And you said, you saw they found a bottle of

1090
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: Gentlemen's jack. Yes, m pretty everyday drink for somebody I know,

1091
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: and who's that m M, that would be the wall.

1092
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't know Danny drinking, you know. I mean, I'm

1093
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: just saying I know Tim's favorite drink was Gentleman's Jack,

1094
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: and Danny was warring to wine at that point from

1095
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: what I understanding. And then like I told him that

1096
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: one time I got piste off and I said what

1097
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: I felt. And when I did tell him that, his

1098
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: comment was just, well, pretty much you and Sam and

1099
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: lindall have it pretty much figured out what happened in

1100
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: his role. And I told him, you know, this is

1101
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: a conversation you had with Tim in a hotel room, no,

1102
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: in his bedroom, his bedroom, and he was looking at

1103
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: the computer and I was just looking at him, going to,

1104
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: you're a piece of ship, because I don't know what

1105
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: you and Sam and Rachel had going on, but that

1106
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: one Asian girl had nothing to do with any of

1107
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: you guys. Bullshit. You killed her completely out of greed

1108
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: and evil. There's no reason you had to kill that girl.

1109
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: There's no reason you had to kill anybody. But you

1110
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: didn't have to kill that ouse. She had nothing to

1111
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: do with that ship. She wouldn't party with you guys

1112
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: or nothing, and you took her life and you're a

1113
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: piece of ship you brought in hell. And he's like,

1114
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: pretty much, you guys got it all figured out, didn't

1115
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: She said, pretty much? What Linda Sawyer and Steve Hair, Yeah,

1116
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: he said pretty much, but Steve Hare and Linda I

1117
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: think was pretty much what happened. So he kind of

1118
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: that's that's as much of a confession as you're going

1119
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: to get. All. That's all we've ever is all of

1120
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: he's ever acknowledged about any of that. To me. That's

1121
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: another thing. Like Tim we're driving one time and they

1122
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: told him like I go, go, you fucking chopped up

1123
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: a marine, motherfucker. And he's like, he wasn't a marine,

1124
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: he was an army and killed him. I threw about

1125
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: the truck in the middle of an interception. Was so

1126
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: mad at him. I mean, I was a good friend

1127
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: of his and he was a good friend of mine.

1128
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: But that ship changed when he changed like that, Like,

1129
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead, and you got a party. That's

1130
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: one thing, but you went I mean from the stealing

1131
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: to the lying. Lying. I can't stand lying and stealing

1132
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: is like my dad beat my ask for my lighters deal.

1133
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: And there's two things I don't do. And he was

1134
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: all into it. He put that stuff over his family

1135
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: and everything. Like he's coming home smelling like a tent,

1136
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: and he's trying to tell his day. He's telling me

1137
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna call the cops on his dad because he

1138
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: won't give him his check. He won't give his passport

1139
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: to cash his check. And I'm like, dude, he won't

1140
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: give it to you because he knows what you're gonna

1141
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: do with the money. And so his dad even told me,

1142
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: he was like, I know he's gonna do with that money.

1143
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, tell him, you go upstairs, you shave,

1144
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: you wash yourself, you smell like a tent. And I'm like,

1145
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: you go before you ask your dad for anything. You

1146
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: better not threaten him about calling the cops, you idiot.

1147
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: And so he did half as shaved. So the parents

1148
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: knew the drugs, I mean, oh man, he I mean

1149
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, he yeah, I'm pretty sure they did.

1150
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean she's been trying desperately to get him in

1151
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: and out of rehab constantly. And that's what I mean.

1152
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: The unconditional lives, Like this is all the parents out there,

1153
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: to all the parents out there who have kids. If

1154
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: you think you can spoil your kids to the end

1155
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: of the world, it's nothing will come of it. It's

1156
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: not the best way to go about things. And the

1157
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: inn't his boys. There's an extra one. Now there's three

1158
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: of them boys. Yeah, and so it's like you gotta

1159
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: really you got to teach them right from wrong even

1160
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: and that there are there are consequences to your actions

1161
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: and that you have to pay those consequences. And I

1162
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: don't think the Wasniak boys have ever had to pay

1163
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: for their transgressions except when it came time for Danny. Danny.

1164
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: Danny took the fall for everybody because he did committed

1165
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: the actual I didn't realize he did take the fall,

1166
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: but he'd probably you know, I don't know to this day.

1167
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: I you know, like, well, let's talk more about the

1168
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: details of what we do know about Tim's role. We

1169
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: know that he had the call with Danny that Saturday

1170
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: night when Danny was asking him to get rid of

1171
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: the evidence of the murders. We also know that Saturday,

1172
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: late in the morning, he was actually seen by two

1173
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: people coming back to Coast of Mesa to the Camden

1174
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: Martinique apartments in sam Hairs car Danny was driving and

1175
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: Tim was in the passenger seat, and he came and

1176
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: he was They were coming back obviously from the theater,

1177
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: and those two people on the deck were saw finally,

1178
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: two very good friends of Sam's who were worried about Sam.

1179
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: Didn't know where he was, and they called out his name,

1180
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: Hey Sam, Hey Sam. And normally when Sam drove in,

1181
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: he would stop the car and like get out and

1182
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: wave or or do something to acknowledge them calling out

1183
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: for calling his name, but the car just kept coming in.

1184
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: As the car was coming closer, these two people were

1185
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: on the deck and they could see who was in

1186
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: Sam's car. And to this day, one actually one of

1187
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: those people, Ashley Mathis, that was one of the witnesses,

1188
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: said to this day it haunts her that they didn't

1189
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: leave the apartment and go down to the garage and

1190
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: see why Dan Wozniak was driving Sam's car, to see

1191
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: why and where was Sam. But they didn't. They just

1192
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: sort of choked it up. They couldn't have possibly have

1193
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: known the extent right. I've also had sources confirmed that

1194
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: Tim was there for the quote unquote clean up. That's

1195
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: when he took the Afghan money and they cleaned the

1196
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: blood on the walls and the floor, and and even

1197
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: to this day, there's still questions that I have as

1198
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: well Steve Hair has, because when I look at the reports,

1199
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: the Costa Mesa reports and all the DNA tests that

1200
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: were done, a piece of evidence that was confiscated at

1201
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: the time when they had the search warrant for the

1202
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Waznia comb was a pair of Tim sneakers. In fact,

1203
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: when I told you about what was taken from Tim's closet,

1204
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: a pair of his sneekers that had blood and grass

1205
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: stains on it. And I very specifically asked you what

1206
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: type of sneakers Tim always wore? Fans, that's right, and

1207
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: you described them to a team that's correct, guess, but

1208
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: you know you mean you've seen him in them. And

1209
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: and yet those test results have never come forward. We

1210
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: don't know whose blood that is. But the Coast to

1211
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: Masa Police were the ones that ran the test. Why

1212
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: the test results weren't there or why they will not

1213
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: come forward with those test results. Steve Hair actually went

1214
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: to the Coast of Masa Police and begged them for

1215
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: those test results, and they said, we're not the cases closed,

1216
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: We're not going to do any further testing, wouldn't they?

1217
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: And I addressed that when the case was act well,

1218
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: I'd like you to answer your own question. Why do

1219
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: you think that they wouldn't want any definitive it ince

1220
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: to prove that Tim had sam Hair's blood on his sneakers? There?

1221
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: Does I feel like there's something not right here? And

1222
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: whether it's political expediency or or as you say, wanting

1223
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: that death penalty, wanting that win. Having those cameras, I mean,

1224
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: you had forty eight hours, you had and dateline all

1225
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: covering this case, and there was no way that that

1226
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: prosecutor was going to lose with those cameras documenting his trial.

1227
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: You know that one clip when he's getting interrogated, he

1228
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: was like, it was crazy, And I think that I

1229
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: think Mr Murphy was worried about that. He was worried

1230
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: that that was that was the defense they were going to. Well,

1231
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: and you don't to this day. I mean, I've been

1232
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: in shows discussing my investigation and my research and work

1233
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: on this case. He's been on the same shows as

1234
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, obviously, and he will say in a room

1235
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: full of cameramen and producers and everything else, Tim Wasniak

1236
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: is just an innocent victim of Daniel Wozniak, just like

1237
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: Sam Hair and Julie Kibuishi. And if I tell you,

1238
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: the hair on my on the back of my neck

1239
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: goes up. And I've actually heard him say it to

1240
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: the jurors in Rachel Buffett's accessory after the fact trial,

1241
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: the very same words. And there's Steve Hare and Raquel

1242
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: sitting in the front row and they have to hear this,

1243
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: and he claims to care about their pain. And so

1244
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: if you really care about the hairs and the Kibuishi's,

1245
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: I ask you, Mr Murphy, to please look again at

1246
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: these others that were involved that clearly there's so much

1247
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence that you have to show that these others

1248
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: were accomplices and not just accessories after the fact. I mean,

1249
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: most capital cases are one on circumstantial evidence. It's very

1250
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: rare that you have a videotape of a murderer committing

1251
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: the crime. You know, you don't necessarily have direct evidence

1252
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: in most cases. And so I just hope that even

1253
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: with Rachel, she's going to be in county jail for

1254
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: a year. A year. In fact, the jury four woman

1255
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: came over to me at the sentencing of Rachel Buffett

1256
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: for her two felony convictions, and she said she had

1257
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: been listening to the podcast and she even felt during

1258
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: the trial that Mr Murphy was making a case for

1259
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: her being an accomplice and not an accessory. And I'm

1260
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: sharing with our listeners we had we had this ten

1261
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: page dossier that that Steve har and I collaborated on.

1262
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we spent week after week for three years.

1263
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: You know this. You came to one of the lunches

1264
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: week after week, collecting the pieces of the puzzle, connecting everything,

1265
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: and we came up with this ten page I call

1266
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: it a dossier that we handed to Don, Matt Murphy's

1267
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: investigator at the time. Don told Mr Harey gave him

1268
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: all the information. And so when you're sitting in that

1269
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: courtroom and you're listening to Matt Murphy's prosecution of Rachel Buffett,

1270
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: it does sound eerily like he's he's able to present

1271
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: to the jurors a case for her being an accomplice.

1272
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: So why the question keeps coming up and all my

1273
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: listeners keep asking why didn't he charge her with the murder?

1274
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: His own police officer, Sergeant ed Everett who was one

1275
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: of the lead detectives in that case. No, that's a

1276
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: that's a different gentleman. But Ed Everett, who was on

1277
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: the witness stand during Dan's capital case, and when Scott

1278
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Sanders was pressuring him to say, how what do you

1279
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: feel about Rachel Buffett? What do you think about Rachel Lovett?

1280
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: And he finally said, do you want to really know

1281
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: what I think? And Scott Sanders said yes, and he

1282
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: took his hand and pointed to Dan Waznia and said,

1283
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: I believe she belongs sitting right next to Dan. And

1284
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: to Judge Hansen, who was the judge in Rachel's successory trial.

1285
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: He wrote a letter saying, please give her the maximum

1286
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: because she belongs on death row with Daniel Waznia. Meanwhile,

1287
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: Tim Wasniak has been in and out of jail since on.

1288
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: If this happened or not, he would have been the

1289
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: route he was gone. He's lucky, that's all he's gotten.

1290
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: He went to Laguna for rehabbing. Put me there. I'll

1291
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: go there for you know, it's like better than Betty

1292
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: Ford where you went. You know, he was saying, there

1293
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: was staking laughster I probably, but but he has told

1294
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: his friends the ones that are still talking to him,

1295
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: that that's where he scored the best draw. Yeah, all

1296
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: his friends or phones you don't have like his old friends. Uh.

1297
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: And he also said that when he goes to the

1298
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: county jail, he's sort of a star because of his brothers.

1299
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: The notoriety that he gets of his brothers. It's shameless,

1300
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: it's it's just terrible like to to gloat on that.

1301
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: Never heard him ever once say any remorse about these

1302
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: people losing their lives. Is this, you know, other than

1303
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: you know the time I was bitch was going off

1304
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: on him and they said, you know about that girl,

1305
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: And that's the closest to even came to even like

1306
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: being a little bummed about it. I mean, I see

1307
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: him was like, well, what I hope that the Costa

1308
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: Mesa police decide for the sake of the victims families,

1309
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: is that they decide to run the blood on those sneakers,

1310
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: or they at least reveal because I think the tests

1311
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,879
Speaker 1: were probably already done, and reveal the answers. Reveal the answers.

1312
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: They took the print from inside Sam's car. I mean,

1313
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: Steve Hare told me when Sam's car was returned to

1314
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: him that there was the dusting powder all over the

1315
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: inside of the car. They obviously dusted for Prince, And

1316
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: if they would release those results, we would know that

1317
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: if Tim was in the car not I mean, besides

1318
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: the two witnesses that spoke to me, we would know

1319
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: if the results would come forward and we found out

1320
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: that there were his fingerprints inside Sam's car, there would

1321
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: be no other reason for him to be in Sam's

1322
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: car unless he was involved in these crimes. If it's

1323
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: reflected in the report, then of course Scott Sanders, the

1324
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: defense attorney, has access to it. So maybe that's why

1325
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: there's a big fat blank next to the results. And

1326
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: so what about Mr Harry He couldn't call it that

1327
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: for evidence White. He tried, He tried. He went down

1328
01:10:54,560 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: personally and asked every person in charge. It went all

1329
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: the way up to the chief. From what I understand,

1330
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, but that's what I was told. It's

1331
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: amazing our judicial system, you know, it's like just amazing,

1332
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: which is that's why he's so frustrated. I don't know

1333
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 1: if you recall that he said in that press conference

1334
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: that he is disappointed because in the justice system, what

1335
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: the results just proved to him was it's better to

1336
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: lie than tell the truth. If you lie, you'll only

1337
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: get a year in County Jale. That's crazy, but that's

1338
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: the system we have right now. And you know, the

1339
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: natures to be the daddy horse. But the Nature Center,

1340
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, me and Tim, I was going out there

1341
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: and you know, going through high school and stuff, we

1342
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: always hung out there and stuff. It's rather never so

1343
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,919
Speaker 1: the fact that that that's where they that was dropped.

1344
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: But so the Nature Center you're saying was more. Yeah,

1345
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: when I found out that's where they dumped the stuff,

1346
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: it was just another brat race right there. I mean,

1347
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: there's just too much, too much stuff adding up. At

1348
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: this point, Well, I owed him nothing. At this point.

1349
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: I have done everything I could for him as long

1350
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: as I could for him, until it was just like dude,

1351
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: I can't live with myself and be your friend. And

1352
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: overlook what you did. There was no honor in it.

1353
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: There was no nothing good about what he did. The

1354
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: type of war or in jail riots, you know, that's

1355
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: one thing. I know people that have done beheadings that way,

1356
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: and there's you know it's like okay, you're in combat,

1357
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, against somebody who's gonna try to kill you.

1358
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: But this was just an evil thing that they did

1359
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: and there's just no honor and there's no justification for it.

1360
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: And for me to be like, it's not like I'm

1361
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: a rat or new thing. It's just the fact that

1362
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: I just can't see that killing that girl. I'm not

1363
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: that guy, you know, to be like, oh, you know,

1364
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: fuck it, you know, I'm just like, that's that's sucked up.

1365
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: You can't condone that. I can't condone it. There's no

1366
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean, the chick was a really nice girl too,

1367
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, and pretty. She was really nice. He was

1368
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: going over to help Sam because she was just trying

1369
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: to talk, you know. They used that all against against her,

1370
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: the killer, and it's just just a horrible thing seeing

1371
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: that their dirt bags and they don't give a ship

1372
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: about their own parents, let alone, you know. And if

1373
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: anybody wants to call me what, they let them, because

1374
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that that's the way it was.

1375
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: And I think you said it wasn't about a honeymoon cruise. No, No,

1376
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: he could have got all that. They could have kissed

1377
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: their parents, asking got all that. That was just about

1378
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: doing dope and getting high and not thinking straight. And

1379
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: that's how he could have probably got the insanity plea

1380
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: because they would have said, well, your mind was altered

1381
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: because of these drugs, you know, because sleep deprivation or whatever.

1382
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: And but that's not how the insanity plea works in

1383
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: the legal system. He knew what he was doing was wrong.

1384
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: And that's the ultimate test. If you say I'm not insane,

1385
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: I like, they'll say, Okay, you know, you know you're

1386
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: not saying you're not. I'm saying, you know. It's really

1387
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: easy to get out of that. So too conclude here today.

1388
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: One of the things that you just mentioned was the drugs,

1389
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 1: the dope, the crystal meth, the soullessness of what crystal

1390
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: meth does to you when it pervades your life. And

1391
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: in the case of Dan Wasniak, Rachel Buffett, Tim Wasniak,

1392
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: obviously crystal meth was a huge part of their life.

1393
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: In fact, Tim told me point blank that after Danny

1394
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: confessed to the murders, Rachel came and spent a week

1395
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: with them at the hotel. In fact, Lisa confirmed this.

1396
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 1: Lisa Goledge confirmed that she did not care for Rachel Buffett,

1397
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: but one of the things that the same thing like

1398
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: Tim and Rachel might have been. That's what she worked,

1399
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: That's what she was wondering if they had something together.

1400
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: Because he even commented to you, that isn't she pretty?

1401
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: Isn't she beautiful? And you were like whatever. After I

1402
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: knew what she was about, I could really see that happening,

1403
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: like you know, Tim being to so he told me

1404
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: I'll never forget whet Huff's hut in Long Beach. And

1405
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: he said, to me, when she lit up the pipe,

1406
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: he says, I guess it's I don't know anything about

1407
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: this stuff, but he said it's pretty intricate. You kind

1408
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: of have to know what you're doing when you light up, right,

1409
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: And he said she was a pro, an old pro,

1410
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: and spent the week and and basically that's what they

1411
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: were doing. They were. Tim said, if she talks, then

1412
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: if I'm going down, she's going down, and did just

1413
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: what he meant by that, like going down for what

1414
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: that's And then I followed up with that, I said,

1415
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: going down for what? And he said, she knows, And

1416
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: that's why we left it. That sounds like him, I mean,

1417
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: he's not dumb. He played done pretty good and he

1418
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: brings a little cooked from all the sauce, but he's

1419
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: not dumb. Well. He he told another girlfriend that he

1420
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: came to court when he had to testify against his

1421
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: brother and his brother's capital case, that he made sure

1422
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: he was drunk gentleman's jack, gentleman's jack, so that he

1423
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: made no sense. And I've been drunk this whole time.

1424
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: I was drunk when it happened. I don't remember. I

1425
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: don't remember anything. I don't recall. And he's sort of

1426
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: meandered around, double talking, and he actually accomplished that. I

1427
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: was in court when he was testifying, and I thought,

1428
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, he is useless that stuff. Yeah, Kathleen

1429
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: told me the same thing. Yeah. Well, I want to

1430
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: thank you again for coming on. I know this wasn't easy.

1431
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: I know this family, you've known them for a long time.

1432
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: Disrespect to the mother, um, you know. I just my

1433
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: prayers go out to her that she had tried and

1434
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: done so much for her kids and still just too much,

1435
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: not not enough stick, not enough tough love, yea love

1436
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: or something, you know, it's all levels of tough love.

1437
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: You don't have to like turn your back on him,

1438
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: but you should definitely let him know that money is

1439
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: not everything in the world, not the Panacey. It's not

1440
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: gonna cure your kids on drugs, and you really should

1441
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: like not accept it and like you know, turn a

1442
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: blind eye. You should really like concentrate on helping him

1443
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: if you can. Um. You know, I obviously read didn't

1444
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: be shipped for jail. You know, he just it was

1445
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: just a vacation that or jail. So does it make

1446
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: you wonder how not one, not two, but three wasn'tiac

1447
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: boys could have fallen to the dark side of life?

1448
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: Makes a lot of people under that. And a friend

1449
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: of Mike's, you know, has said in the past too

1450
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: that you know what did he say? It's probably something

1451
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: some kind of like something weird probably happened, uh whether

1452
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but something weird. I

1453
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I don't know, like what what makes

1454
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: a p some just like I don't know. I may

1455
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: be in the gene. You know, she had so much

1456
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: control over those boys, or tried to have control and

1457
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 1: and and the lies were their way of escaping that control.

1458
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean when you went on the cruise, he gets

1459
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: that credit card and he's James Bond, you know, he's

1460
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: a millionaire for the for those cruise, you know, and

1461
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: he gets up so you know he could play the

1462
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: role and he gets the power to play it. And

1463
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: when you get that power taken from you and you

1464
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: want it back, and this is maybe those extents so

1465
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: good by you know, trying to get that power back.

1466
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: And in the end, he wants the money and he

1467
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 1: needs the money to to play the role, and he

1468
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: went to the extra length to get it, I guess,

1469
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, but he didn't get it a good thing.

1470
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: He didn't remember he had a boat. He could have

1471
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: just went out in his boat and dropped it in

1472
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: the ocean. I mean, in the end, power, money, drugs,

1473
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily lead to a pretty picture. You just

1474
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: can't like just check out in life, you know, you

1475
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: gotta really like there's I always try to keep red

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Speaker 1: list and I don't know, Angel, but I mean I

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Speaker 1: am not I'm not like one to put my family

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Speaker 1: behind anything else. I put my family in front of

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Speaker 1: you know, these things are your priority. Well yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and I just don't think that the family that was

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Speaker 1: did so much for him was any priority, any one

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Speaker 1: of them, you know. And it showed, it showed they

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Speaker 1: just lost sight of humanity. They just had no conscience anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they're narcissists. And I used to tell him he

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Speaker 1: was a narcissist and he just laughed. You know, he

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Speaker 1: didn't have no remorse. He doesn't carry. The only thing

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Speaker 1: that him and Rachel care about and Danny is that

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Speaker 1: they got caught. That's why they're bummed out. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, um, you know, my prayers brought

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Speaker 1: to Mr Hare and the family and the Kibi's and

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Speaker 1: also the laws Niak's father and mother. And with that,

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Speaker 1: I say thank you for coming again today. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Linda m hmmm. Due to Santa's arrival. Next Tuesday, we

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Speaker 1: at Sleuth will be taking the night off, but rest

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Speaker 1: assured we will return for our finale episode of this

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Speaker 1: season of Sleuth, and for that episode, we will be

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Speaker 1: recording a live stream finale where all our cherished listeners

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to answer any questions you may still

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Speaker 1: have for us here at Sleuth. Expect a few remaining

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Speaker 1: surprised guests as well that you haven't heard from as

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Speaker 1: of yet. To learn more about the details of when

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