Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nola. They call
Speaker 3: me Bed. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul,
Speaker 3: Mission controlled decand folks. Serious warning, serious disclaimer. Tonight's episode
Speaker 3: may not be for all lizard people. Have you ever
Speaker 3: felt like there was some secret group running the world.
Speaker 3: I think most of us have at some point, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got many names, right, the Illuminati, perhaps.
Speaker 3: They they they live them you know, yes, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen they live. I'm so familiar with the it all with.
Speaker 4: That's sort of almost a lizard people kind of vibe, right,
Speaker 4: like the yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah and this h and also Matt, I appreciate the
Speaker 3: shout out to they the stars of the show. The
Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. In tonight's episode,
Speaker 3: we're exploring one of the most long running genres of
Speaker 3: conspiracy on the planet, the idea that some shadowy cabal
Speaker 3: really does run the world, A cabal that may not
Speaker 3: be entirely human. Only rowdy rowdy piper can save us.
Speaker 3: Here are the facts I mean, of course, right, if
Speaker 3: you're if you're an intelligent person, you look around. Most
Speaker 3: people are intelligent. You look around, and at one point
Speaker 3: or another in your life you think somebody might really
Speaker 3: be running the show, you know what I mean, something
Speaker 3: like how much of a democracy is given insert giving
Speaker 3: country here? How much power to the people actually have?
Speaker 3: And the stuff we have to get out of the
Speaker 3: way immediately is there's a grain of truth to this
Speaker 3: genre of belief and accusation. It's just the specifics where
Speaker 3: things get sticky. Does that sound fair? Yeah?
Speaker 2: We look around and we see the society, no matter
Speaker 2: where you live, is built around the people that control things.
Speaker 2: And then you realize, oh wait, a lot of the
Speaker 2: people who are really important have these like social clubs
Speaker 2: that they hang out at. Oh wait, a lot of
Speaker 2: these really important people go to these fancy restaurants that
Speaker 2: I and my family can't get into. You just start
Speaker 2: to see it and you start to feel, wow, there
Speaker 2: really is maybe there is something bigger to this.
Speaker 4: Well you guys doo, I mean, you know, talking about
Speaker 4: the little secret kind of societies and social clubs and all.
Speaker 3: That, But what about colleges.
Speaker 2: Think about that.
Speaker 4: That's one of the biggest social clubs of all that
Speaker 4: are very exclusive and hard to get into and have
Speaker 4: kind of legacy histories of acceptance.
Speaker 2: Right, and dynasties within families. That's because of those colleges,
Speaker 2: because all those social positionings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the simple sociological answer would be that people, despite
Speaker 3: what people say, they like to hang out with other
Speaker 3: people like them. You hang out with people that you
Speaker 3: share things in common with, or that you believe you
Speaker 3: will share things in common with. However, that answer is
Speaker 3: kind of boring to a lot of other folks, so
Speaker 3: they want more to the story. This is where we
Speaker 3: hear people accusing, you know, wealthy dynasties like the House
Speaker 3: of Saud or the Rockefellers of being a true global
Speaker 3: power behind the throne, and the argument good. The argument
Speaker 3: is almost ancient aliens in its prejudice, because it's like
Speaker 3: this particular group of families couldn't have been successful on
Speaker 3: their own. They have to have some sort of diabolical secret.
Speaker 3: They worship infertile powers, or they are aliens or time travelers,
Speaker 3: or all the racist stuff I thought earlier was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when in reality, I guess it's just the
Speaker 2: resources that members of their family extracted a long time
Speaker 2: ago and then built.
Speaker 3: Well phone m Yeah name. You know. It's possible to
Speaker 3: name one self made billionaire, but name six. I'm hard
Speaker 3: pressed for one. I'm sure you have one in mind.
Speaker 3: I've just I'm making room for the four billionaires who listen.
Speaker 2: To our show. Ye.
Speaker 3: Yes, can we borrow some money? Yes, have your footman
Speaker 3: in your valet call it, or better yet, write us
Speaker 3: an emails so we can get it on record.
Speaker 2: It is still weird, though, because power behind the throne
Speaker 2: is kind of a thing. When you think about campaign
Speaker 2: finance donations, and that's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, there is a grain of truth. There
Speaker 3: are secret king makers and campaign finance donations. You know,
Speaker 3: saw the news about that right very recently. A very
Speaker 3: small group of billionaires recently donated some six million dollars
Speaker 3: to the current campaign cycle.
Speaker 4: And that's all thanks to Citizens United, which totally wrecked
Speaker 4: the campaign finance system for all intents and purposes. It's
Speaker 4: like just just mangled it beyond recognition and saving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and international non governmental institutions, the builder Burgers, the CFR,
Speaker 3: insert your favorite corporate conspiracy here.
Speaker 4: Whenever you hear builder Burger, Am I the only one
Speaker 4: who pictures a bar where you can make your own hamburger,
Speaker 4: you know, and put pipicpic whatever you know toppings. You
Speaker 4: want a Builder Burger, it's like a builder the builder Bergs.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a little different.
Speaker 3: People are saying, you know, this Council on Foreign Relations
Speaker 3: the Builder Burgers Trilateral Commission. That's another deep cut. The
Speaker 3: question then, is why do all these powerful people really
Speaker 3: get together. What do they actually talk about in their meetings?
Speaker 3: Do they build fast food? Do they do they say
Speaker 3: more than what they publish in their pr statements? For
Speaker 3: we the lowly peasants, how's their golf swing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do they really get into a Davos? And
Speaker 2: you know, over the years, guys, we've seen versions of this.
Speaker 2: I seem to recall a time when I want to
Speaker 2: say it was Hillary Clinton when she was on the
Speaker 2: campaign trail in oh gosh, years and years ago, where
Speaker 2: she gave a public speech, a more public speech that
Speaker 2: was filmed, and then there was like footage from another
Speaker 2: meeting from that same day with the higher ups in
Speaker 2: the campaign world, and she said a completely different story
Speaker 2: and it was like allegedly leaked footage. But that's the
Speaker 2: kind of thing that perhaps we imagine happens all the time,
Speaker 2: and perhaps it does, but we often don't have proof
Speaker 2: that it's happening.
Speaker 3: But you love to see it. That's the ubami, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true. I love your bringing up d
Speaker 3: Davos because security at Davos is super tight and super
Speaker 3: weird because global VIPs are there Behemian Grove kind of
Speaker 3: tough to get into, and they're up to some strange,
Speaker 3: strange stuff. So it's natural to ask these questions. We see.
Speaker 3: Powerful religious organizations got the same accusations. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: there was an anti Papist party here in the United States.
Speaker 3: Their political platform was just this one thing they didn't
Speaker 3: like Catholics or the Pope, and they ran for office
Speaker 3: on that and someone would be like, well you think
Speaker 3: about taxes and they would be like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: some screw with the pope though, and they're like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll vote for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's the Anti Mason's Party that was huge,
Speaker 2: and they're just there. The whole platform was let's not
Speaker 2: have members of this secret society be in government. Positions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's try a new flavor this season. Go on
Speaker 4: exactly the rest of us a.
Speaker 3: Chance and the more modern conspiratorial cabal theories. There are
Speaker 3: investment firms, right, consulting firms. I think there's some sand
Speaker 3: to those. The defense industry. There's also some sad to those,
Speaker 3: because in those cases you can follow the money. But
Speaker 3: it's also even like institutions that are open about what
Speaker 3: they're supposed to do, or that seem to be doing
Speaker 3: good things, like the United Nations or the Red Cross
Speaker 3: or the Red Crescent, they get accused of being shadowy cabals.
Speaker 3: I mean, and yes, the Red Cross is very oriented
Speaker 3: toward the extraction and distribution of blood, like I get it.
Speaker 2: Oh and sometimes water, sometimes people need water. They hook
Speaker 2: people up.
Speaker 3: It's not just the Red Cross. It's not just blood.
Speaker 2: There you go perfect, Oh my god, guys, I just
Speaker 2: quickly in this thread here, we got a message from Rob,
Speaker 2: who is somebody who's written into us a couple of times,
Speaker 2: met we've mentioned on listener mail, telling us a story
Speaker 2: about an organization his mother was a part of that
Speaker 2: I'd never heard of before. And I think we need
Speaker 2: to do a whole episode on it because it kind
Speaker 2: of matches in with all this stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's called Joe Daughters j ob apostrophe s Daughters, not
Speaker 2: spelled like you know, gobu, but it is. It's an
Speaker 2: offshoot of Freemasonry, and it is fascinating and huge and
Speaker 2: powerful and again, on the surface seems like a great thing.
Speaker 2: But they've got like a Supreme Guardian Council and all
Speaker 2: kinds of the Umami you're talking about. Man, all the
Speaker 2: things that are just like, ooh, this is an exciting
Speaker 2: secret society. We should cover it at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob, right, it's an email, love to learn more.
Speaker 3: I got Yes, that is new to me, but I
Speaker 3: like the vibe. Is it like a Gilead type thing?
Speaker 2: Uh No, it's it's it's about placing the women who
Speaker 2: are it's girls who join almost like a girl Scouts
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but within the Freemasonry kind of.
Speaker 3: Okay world or Eastern Star kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is and it seems really good on
Speaker 2: the surface, but man, it's deep.
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, I love it and we're on
Speaker 3: it another. Of course, this all fun this cabal, conspiracy, cabal,
Speaker 3: it all fund funnels into one general milieu, which is
Speaker 3: that rich and powerful people overall are up to something
Speaker 3: heinous and the vast majority of people are affected by
Speaker 3: it with no control over what it means. And each
Speaker 3: of these ideas, these sub genres, they come from their
Speaker 3: own set of perspectives and prejudice and concern I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Rockefeller banking dynasty came, and call it banking dynasty anymore.
Speaker 3: They're very well off, they have global concerns. But a
Speaker 3: lot of times when people are talking trash about the Rockefellers,
Speaker 3: they ultimately are dog whistling some pretty racist stuff, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And like paragraph four because they
Speaker 3: don't think people read past the headline.
Speaker 2: Yahney don't well, and it's you know, I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: it's really unfortunate that even thinking about this stuff, at
Speaker 2: least for me, I don't know about you guys, makes
Speaker 2: me feel like I'm having like I'm verging into that
Speaker 2: territory right towards the racism and grouping of people, even
Speaker 2: though it's really just a theoretical imagining I guess, of
Speaker 2: what the potential motivations are behind actual powerful people.
Speaker 3: So it's exception of the Welsh. But yeah, I'm going
Speaker 3: to talk about that they know what they did.
Speaker 2: I guess what I mean is, it's just it stinks
Speaker 2: that that's the thing that it that gets talked about
Speaker 2: and thought about when you're just even even contemplating motivations
Speaker 2: of just wealthy human beings.
Speaker 3: Because it's an absence of transparency, right, so the speculation thrives.
Speaker 3: I mean. And also, yes, the defense industry is crooked,
Speaker 3: it's as crooked as a cursive letter zu. But war
Speaker 3: profiteers from the ancient times to now have always been
Speaker 3: pretty upfront about their primary motivation. I just want to
Speaker 3: make money, just some money. And you know, explosions are cool,
Speaker 3: Explosions are technically objectively pretty cool. Yeah, we had the
Speaker 3: immense privilege of befriending the world's number one expert on
Speaker 3: underwater explosions, such a specific field. I love it in
Speaker 3: a different show, and that is a thing that's amazing.
Speaker 3: But to date, nobody has been able to conclusively prove
Speaker 3: one of their their pet conspiratorial cabal actually runs the world.
Speaker 3: Truth is unfortunately a little more complicated we talked about
Speaker 3: in the past. There does not seem to be a
Speaker 3: single group of powerful people successfully running the entire world.
Speaker 3: There are multiple groups of powerful people who kind of
Speaker 3: run parts of the world, and every single one of
Speaker 3: these groups is also pretty sure the world would be
Speaker 3: better if they were the only people in charge of
Speaker 3: the entire thing. These folks don't always get along. They
Speaker 3: kind of hate each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys been following this with like the tariffs
Speaker 4: on Chinese imports they were imposing.
Speaker 3: Like that's interesting.
Speaker 4: Because like we're so behold into China, but we also
Speaker 4: low key hate them and resent them. And you know,
Speaker 4: Biden talking about like, well, Americans can do any job
Speaker 4: that the Chinese can if the playing.
Speaker 3: Field is level.
Speaker 4: All of those low key, little snipy negotiations are kind
Speaker 4: of what keep things from getting into a hot war situation.
Speaker 3: Right, But we're always just a couple of clicks away
Speaker 3: from that if you think about it. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: no coincidence that those kind of what we'll call bellocost
Speaker 3: signals occur at the same time Uncle G and our
Speaker 3: buddy Vlad just had some public pinky squares R. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's so easy. I love
Speaker 3: your pointing that out. It's so easy to make our
Speaker 3: Charlie Day conspiracy board because real things are happening. But
Speaker 3: I guess we're always trying to answer that question. Why
Speaker 3: do some people always seem to have more while others
Speaker 3: have less? Why do some groups seem to profit no
Speaker 3: matter who wins the given war? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Because of the petro dollar? Obviously tight?
Speaker 3: Is that a point?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: Is that crypto? It's kind of like the original crypto? Joking?
Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right, then you can only trade in
Speaker 2: my currency the Nixon huge Wait a second, wait, who
Speaker 2: could we be thinking about here?
Speaker 3: Bro? You're so navel right now, That's that's what they said.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is a question tonight, folks. If there's
Speaker 3: really some secret cabal pulling the strings, why does civilization
Speaker 3: still kind of stink? Do that job, aren't they? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: if you're in charge, do better? Why is human civilization
Speaker 3: riddled with instability, destruction?
Speaker 4: Evil?
Speaker 3: What sort of group would allow these things to occur?
Speaker 3: If this group exists, is it even human? That's the
Speaker 3: root of an episode that has taken us way too
Speaker 3: long to get to. I think we'll have fun with
Speaker 3: this one. The Reptilian conspiracy. Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 3: All right, let's just freestyle on this one. Guys. Okay,
Speaker 3: what is the reptilian conspiracy.
Speaker 2: It's the conspiracy that it makes all of the terrible
Speaker 2: stuff that's happening makes sense. Guys, what if the motivation
Speaker 2: for the groups that do control the world are about
Speaker 2: dividing everybody and making us all fight and destroying everything
Speaker 2: and even destroying the climate and the planet because they
Speaker 2: want to take over.
Speaker 3: Just like Cheryl Crow said, think about it. Read the lyrics.
Speaker 4: But what comes up over Santa Monica Boulevard. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: sun never comes back up over Santa Monica Boulevard because
Speaker 4: the reptilions.
Speaker 2: But I made serious though this the Reptilian conspiracy, at
Speaker 2: least two from my perspective, is a proposed answer to
Speaker 2: why everything seems so messed up and why there's such
Speaker 2: a division in the world and has.
Speaker 3: Been because the forces ruling the world are fundamentally different.
Speaker 3: The forces ruling the world are indeed inhuman. That's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I think that's at the heart of this. If
Speaker 3: you look at the headlight of it, the idea is
Speaker 3: they're going to hit you with a couple of base assumptions.
Speaker 3: We just have to go with those assumptions to understand
Speaker 3: the argument. One, extra terrestrials exist and they have been
Speaker 3: in contact with Earth for a long long time. Two
Speaker 3: they are reptilian. There are other kinds of aliens in
Speaker 3: this theory, but the ones you have to watch out
Speaker 3: for are the reptilians. Three it's tough to watch out
Speaker 3: for them because they have innerbred with human beings, and
Speaker 3: they can shape shift, and they possibly have a bunch
Speaker 3: of other supernatural abilities, including telepathy. But the world still sucks.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, given all of those abilities, and
Speaker 4: they're you know, in their supposed infiltration, you know, are
Speaker 4: they just playing the long game to mess with us
Speaker 4: like a cat and mouse kind of situation? If they
Speaker 4: really wanted to wipe us out, couldn't they have just
Speaker 4: nuked us out of existence?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Why take so long and be so protracted and then
Speaker 4: cause so much long term suffering instead of just getting
Speaker 4: it overweight? Doesn't seem very efficient, is what I'm getting.
Speaker 3: At it does. It does seem to beggar explanation, right,
Speaker 3: because the idea that is that they are super into.
Speaker 3: Although they have this immense power, they're still super into secrecy.
Speaker 3: They have not publicly stated, Hey, aliens are real we're
Speaker 3: part alien. We control the world. We've got a big,
Speaker 3: weird plan.
Speaker 4: It's like that scene in The Witches by Roald Dahl
Speaker 4: where behind the closed doors that's when they take off
Speaker 4: if they're human masks, and only then can they let
Speaker 4: their you know.
Speaker 3: Their lizard faces breathe a little bit.
Speaker 4: I just I think that's such a trope that you
Speaker 4: see all the time, this idea of like, you know,
Speaker 4: impostors that go behind, you know, in some sort of
Speaker 4: secret meeting and then reveal their true identity only to
Speaker 4: each other. But of course there's an interloper, and that's
Speaker 4: the inciting action for the story.
Speaker 3: Role Doll amazing author. The Witch's adaptation was really good too,
Speaker 3: very good, very very scary, dark guy. Everybody check out
Speaker 3: George's marvelous Medicine. By the way, Rolldall's best conspiracy book.
Speaker 4: I think, and don't bother with The Witch's remake, the
Speaker 4: original nineties Witches is where it's at.
Speaker 3: I did. I didn't know there was a rebake.
Speaker 4: It was a straight to HBO Max thing.
Speaker 3: It was not good.
Speaker 4: It was directed by somebody of note, actually, but it
Speaker 4: was very very bad. Anne Hathaway plays the Grand High Witch,
Speaker 4: You can't fill fricking Angelica Houston square toed shoes.
Speaker 3: You just can't do it.
Speaker 2: There, You go, well unless you're a shape shifter, right,
Speaker 2: and then you you probably could fill her shoes as
Speaker 2: well as her face and arms. Sorry dude, keeping but
Speaker 2: they're just one. I think we're gonna get into it,
Speaker 2: but one caveat there. Just when we're talking about the
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial version of this theory, there are older and different
Speaker 2: theories where they're not necessarily some extraterrestrial race that traveled
Speaker 2: to Earth. Sometimes they're a race. Yeah, there's a race
Speaker 2: that either goes back to Atlantis or Lemuria that is
Speaker 2: like older, like ancient, ancient, ancient version of the thing
Speaker 2: that humans became, right that that still control things and
Speaker 2: they've been around for so long. Well, we'll get into that.
Speaker 2: But just like these reptilians are other, that's the whole
Speaker 2: I think that's the whole point. Right, they're not human, right,
Speaker 2: and they could also be extra dimensional. Yeah, they could
Speaker 2: be ancient gods or the remnants thereof Right, it's kind
Speaker 2: of again like any good conspiratorial folklore. It's sort of
Speaker 2: the Chipotle line. You can add the avocado.
Speaker 3: If you want.
Speaker 4: Oh, man, it just occurred to me that the Neil
Speaker 4: Gaiman book American Gods has something in common.
Speaker 3: With some of these thoughts.
Speaker 4: Because the gods are on Earth affecting the outcome of
Speaker 4: civilization quietly and secretly, and then their factions even within that,
Speaker 4: or they're fighting against one another, you know, because some
Speaker 4: people are more in supportive humanity than some people are
Speaker 4: totally against humanity. There's this push and pull which could
Speaker 4: answer the question of is there an opposition force to
Speaker 4: the reptilians? Are there contingents within that are fighting against
Speaker 4: the evil aims of the overlords of this species?
Speaker 3: Like in the mini series documentary v.
Speaker 4: V is so good, the old one holds up. Man,
Speaker 4: there's a remake again, but the old one is good.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: Well, it would stand to reason if they're not hive mind, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: then there are probably factions within within.
Speaker 3: The different kinds of snakes too. So in the adaptation,
Speaker 3: you know, we'll make some of them look like king cobras.
Speaker 3: You know, you have like a wise monitor lizard who's
Speaker 3: got some sort of hot takes on economics or something.
Speaker 4: The beard and dragon that just sort of sits there ponderously.
Speaker 4: I don't know which kind of reptile is our?
Speaker 3: Is our like comic relief, But folks, please find us
Speaker 3: the funniest reptile and.
Speaker 2: Charge our bikes. I was gonna say, it's a small puppy.
Speaker 3: It's at That's what it looks like when it sees
Speaker 3: that you have a camera on it. Right, So this
Speaker 3: the idea to uh, to go back know you were
Speaker 3: you were mentioning this concept of this grand design. That's
Speaker 3: the thing they're saying. Every This argument says that every catastrophe,
Speaker 3: thick event, every great disaster, every technological breakthrough, all the
Speaker 3: positive stuff too, can be traced back to the secret
Speaker 3: group of lizardfolk. And we don't know why they're doing it.
Speaker 3: Their grand design seems pretty mysterious, but if you know
Speaker 3: what to look for, you can see they're hidden hand
Speaker 3: in world events. It's an ancient conspiracy. There's also this
Speaker 3: concept that they were dropping hints the whole time. The
Speaker 3: truth was right under your nose, and reptiles don't understand
Speaker 3: it because they have a different kind of nose or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like the name of the star system they originate from,
Speaker 3: per david Ike is Alpha draconis so they told us
Speaker 3: and we just ignored it. It just it goes on
Speaker 3: and on. I mean, it's so great for fiction X files.
Speaker 3: We named V They Live. I can't believe you haven't
Speaker 3: seen They Live. I'm very familiar with that.
Speaker 4: I've seen clips. I'm a huge John Carpenter fan. It
Speaker 4: was actually playing at my favorite little kind of indie
Speaker 4: theater in New York when I was there a few
Speaker 4: months ago. I didn't make it, but I'm plan on it.
Speaker 4: I also another lizardish kind of cult movie that Rowdy
Speaker 4: Roddy Piper is also in, Hell Comes to frog Town.
Speaker 2: Oh snap, sorry, I see you.
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard of Hell Comes to frog Town? No?
Speaker 3: I have, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: Roddy Piper plays a dude named something like Stephen Hell
Speaker 4: and he fights against these frog people that have kind
Speaker 4: of kidnapped some I believe, vestal virgins who are the
Speaker 4: only chance for repopulating humanity.
Speaker 2: Wow, does he chew bubblegum and kick butt and he's
Speaker 2: out of bubble gum?
Speaker 4: I think that's right. Yeah, that sounds like something that
Speaker 4: Rowdy Roddy would do.
Speaker 3: That literally is something that he would do. Also, while
Speaker 3: we're on the fiction note, we have to say this
Speaker 3: informs or is occurring in step with a lot of
Speaker 3: cosmic horror fiction like HP Lovecraft, the hell Boy comics
Speaker 3: and BPRD as well. Get really into the idea of
Speaker 3: an elder race, right, an ancient civilization and this this
Speaker 3: ends from theosophy this you know what, that's the fifth
Speaker 3: element too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but big time guys, the Mass Effect series, but
Speaker 2: it's a little different. Yeah, we still see.
Speaker 3: We can see these threads, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like the monsters and they live are not necessarily reptilian,
Speaker 3: but everything else about it just checks the boxes of
Speaker 3: this theory. It becomes very big in the public sphere
Speaker 3: in recent decades. A guy who gets a lot of
Speaker 3: credit for this is a guy we interviewed back in
Speaker 3: the day named David Ike in nineteen, i want to say,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. He wrote a book called The Biggest Secret,
Speaker 3: and he laid out you know, like Moses coming down
Speaker 3: with some weird paperback tablets. He laid out the rules
Speaker 3: of the modern lizard people conspiracy. He says everything we
Speaker 3: said before, and then he also says, as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, many of the great historical and modern leaders.
Speaker 3: Your favorite ones are half reptile and half human. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's just.
Speaker 4: Say that he is what do you say, Ben ten
Speaker 4: toes down on this stuff? But he fully but this
Speaker 4: is this is very real to David.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Didn't we we talked to him, hadn't he sort of
Speaker 4: softened on some of this a little bit? Or was
Speaker 4: he still all in I kind of can't remember. Well,
Speaker 4: uh yeah, some problematic issues too, as ad he did.
Speaker 2: He's such a complicated person in my mind because to him,
Speaker 2: at least in my estimation, I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 2: but he seems to truly and fully believe that he
Speaker 2: experienced something out in the desert that he felt was real.
Speaker 2: There was a message about this very stuff about apocalypse,
Speaker 2: about what's coming and why he.
Speaker 3: Genuinely Yeah, in my estimation from like, yes, problematic to
Speaker 3: a great degree, but in speaking with him and then
Speaker 3: reading his books, I think he genuinely believes it. Like
Speaker 3: I don't think he sees himself as trying to call people.
Speaker 2: That's at least where I where my mind goes when
Speaker 2: I think about the way he's spoke and what he
Speaker 2: spoke about and then since nineteen ninety eight. His career
Speaker 2: is about, you know, selling books now and writing a
Speaker 2: ton of more things, and each one of those has
Speaker 2: to expand a little bit right on all the things before.
Speaker 2: Just if you think about it from a business perspective, right,
Speaker 2: you can't just write the same thing over and over
Speaker 2: and over again in like eighteen different books. So it's
Speaker 2: he's almost I'm just trying to see the human part
Speaker 2: of it, right, He's kind of forced to expand on
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then a lot of the theories
Speaker 2: and the ideas that are in his books seem to
Speaker 2: be traced back to super problematic things, even though what
Speaker 2: he's saying in his books actually aren't that problematic on
Speaker 2: the surface until you realize maybe the originating place.
Speaker 3: Of them which kind of stuff, right, Yeah, which he
Speaker 3: may not be aware of. He also he also told
Speaker 3: us that his views had been mischaracterized, and I think
Speaker 3: in that conversation read back some of his own quotes
Speaker 3: to him, yeah, that he wrote, so so this is
Speaker 3: this is a whole other bag of badgers. It's funny
Speaker 3: because to that point about expansion, the list of people
Speaker 3: who are lizard people does continue to grow. The British
Speaker 3: Royal family. Of course they had to be in there,
Speaker 3: right business tycoons, your favorite modern presidents. George Washington, George Washington,
Speaker 3: friend of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I have a quick question, guys. If this is the case,
Speaker 4: and if history has been populated with all of these
Speaker 4: influential figures, who are in fact lizard people? We talked
Speaker 4: about the idea of interbreeding over a long enough timeline,
Speaker 4: wouldn't there be more lizard people than actual people? Given
Speaker 4: the prominence and power of some of these high ranking individuals.
Speaker 3: It's a recessive trait, just like controlling dragons in some
Speaker 3: so fire, got it. That's why. That's why all the
Speaker 3: ancient Egyptians and old European dynasties were banging each other.
Speaker 3: That's why the cousins were. I think they were just important.
Speaker 3: This wasn't anything else to do. Well, when it goes wrong,
Speaker 3: you get a habsburg. When it goes right, you get
Speaker 3: like a lizard person.
Speaker 2: What is really interesting, how obsessed royal families, just over
Speaker 2: the span of human civilization, of the way they've been
Speaker 2: obsessed with bloodlines?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, and how else would you rationalize such an
Speaker 3: absurd government system? Yeah, you're inherently better than the people
Speaker 3: that you're taking advantage of.
Speaker 2: You have to be touched by God or you know,
Speaker 2: in this case, by you know, the whatever what do
Speaker 2: we call the line of reptilian DNA. Yeah, don't I
Speaker 2: don't know, guys, But this is a good point though.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a lot, where when a conspiracy
Speaker 2: becomes popular enough and it becomes this morphing thing because
Speaker 2: everybody now has input, right and can like add to
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: Just what we're talking we're talking about corpse.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when we're talking about the list and how
Speaker 2: it's grown because kind of everybody gets to add people
Speaker 2: in there, and then it could just expand and expand
Speaker 2: and expand.
Speaker 3: Then why aren't there more Welsh people on the list? See,
Speaker 3: I'm bringing this back. I'm just gonna see how far
Speaker 3: we can go with fake prejudice. Safe space. It's a
Speaker 3: safe space to tell the truth about the Welsh. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, get too many fs, You have too many fs.
Speaker 4: We do have a lot of as those words are unpronounced,
Speaker 4: not unpronounceable. I do wonder though, if you guys thought
Speaker 4: about the idea of connecting this theory to a recent
Speaker 4: episode we did, and you could sub in lizard person
Speaker 4: for antichrist Oka in some senses very much.
Speaker 3: So, yes, yeah, and that's an astute observation. And you know,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite examples of the list of lizard
Speaker 3: people is Bob Hope. No, not Bob Hope. I have
Speaker 3: an auto I have an autograph picture from Bob Hope,
Speaker 3: So I may have evidence of a lizard person I
Speaker 3: want to see. It's one of those things that comes
Speaker 3: with a letter that says dictated but not read. Oh no,
Speaker 3: he signed it. That's so old school. It's like what
Speaker 3: they would do with fan mail, right, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 3: very much was a story for another day. But maybe
Speaker 3: we do have proof of lizard people, per Ike. We might,
Speaker 3: but that you know, for some of us who are
Speaker 3: just getting read onto this theory, it can be kind
Speaker 3: of disappointing. You might say, hey, what gives what about
Speaker 3: all those old old school shadowy cabals that used to
Speaker 3: believe in What about the Illuminati? We mentioned that at
Speaker 3: the top, what about the Freemasons? David Ike shakes his
Speaker 3: head and says, these are all basically conspiracy middle management.
Speaker 3: They were each organization was created and deployed by the
Speaker 3: lizard people. Yet another series of steps in their unknowable
Speaker 3: grand design. There is no spoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about organizations like Freemasons, and a lot of
Speaker 2: these clubs go back to the Bavarian Illuminati. It's an
Speaker 2: invite only it really didn't have anything to do with
Speaker 2: your blood at all. Though if your grandfather was a Freemason,
Speaker 2: that's a big plus if you're trying to get into
Speaker 2: that organization.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves a legacy higher.
Speaker 2: That's true, but you don't have But you got bit,
Speaker 2: but you don't have to have that connection to join
Speaker 2: that group. You could just be interested in join. So
Speaker 2: like this concept within the theory that it's middle management, right,
Speaker 2: it's almost like humans serving this other group.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, sort of the overseer class. Right. But this
Speaker 3: also before we lose this point with like you could
Speaker 3: argue that what he's doing more skeptical people would argue
Speaker 3: that he's kind of soloing folklore at this point. You know,
Speaker 3: he's kind of adding his own, uh, and other people
Speaker 3: are taking it and running with it as well, the
Speaker 3: same way that the Cuthulhu mythos started with HP Lovecraft
Speaker 3: and expanded to other authors.
Speaker 4: Well, and inevitably, when you look at something like that
Speaker 4: and someone who like Ike, who's motivated by publishing dollars
Speaker 4: and continuing to have that output, You're probably gonna see
Speaker 4: some inconsistencies as he started building and sort of talking
Speaker 4: till he gets an idea, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: talking till he gets an idea.
Speaker 2: But when you but when you I guess if you
Speaker 2: buy in to the theory right early on. Let's say,
Speaker 2: let's say you read The Biggest Secret, right, and you
Speaker 2: buy into this concept and you keep going down that
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Uh, you buy into the idea that he
Speaker 2: was given or di some message. Right, It's not for
Speaker 2: your perspective if you're in it. You're not seeing the
Speaker 2: pulling in of all the different theories and all the
Speaker 2: different ideas that then shape the big theory. You're just
Speaker 2: you imagine that's the message that was received. Right, So
Speaker 2: all of this is in some way some divinely inspired,
Speaker 2: let's say.
Speaker 3: Right. So in that case, the person through whom you
Speaker 3: learn these things is not themselves the author exact profit.
Speaker 3: They are a platform, they are a medium. And this
Speaker 3: is also a clever way to get out of trouble.
Speaker 3: If you say the wrong thing, and.
Speaker 2: We're gonna see it repeated as we as we follow
Speaker 2: the trail back in time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple times. He has given lectures to over six
Speaker 3: thousand people that a go that's better than live shows
Speaker 3: that we have done so far. But there's always more
Speaker 3: to the story. And before we make conclusions about this theory,
Speaker 3: before we throw it all out with the reptilian bathwater,
Speaker 3: we do have to think of it as folklore. And
Speaker 3: when we think of it as folklore, will find that
Speaker 3: just like the Nazi fantasies about secret vrill energy and hyperborea,
Speaker 3: which also shows up in help Boy, we'll find that
Speaker 3: this could be a case of fiction gone wrong, because
Speaker 3: the idea of lizard people dates way back before David
Speaker 3: Iike's book, like Conan and the Barbarian as lizard people
Speaker 3: and rips that off from the Theosophist the spiritualist movement.
Speaker 3: But the author of Conin did say it was fiction,
Speaker 3: so kudos dam Well.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, guys, I like a lot of folklore.
Speaker 4: I feel like this whole framework is best served as
Speaker 4: kind of a very interesting metaphor for the way power
Speaker 4: is corrupting and the way power is spread and manipulated
Speaker 4: from the shadows and the idea of there being this boogeyman,
Speaker 4: you know, I think is only you can read it
Speaker 4: almost more as like a parable than it is an
Speaker 4: actual facts thing that's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can we stick on on Conan just a bit?
Speaker 4: I believe I always want to stick on Conan. He
Speaker 4: is a smoke show.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I just didn't expect that guy to
Speaker 2: become such a popular late night talk show host. You know,
Speaker 2: like a.
Speaker 3: Probably you will take the quiz at the end, you've
Speaker 3: got a surprise for us. But yeah, how can you
Speaker 3: explain his success? Surely he couldn't just be hard working
Speaker 3: and good at his.
Speaker 2: Job, I know, and just hilarious and creative whatever.
Speaker 4: But man, and we're talking about two different Conan's here.
Speaker 3: No, they're both barbarians, make the mistake, both Mega ripped.
Speaker 2: Have you have you seen his travel show? He has
Speaker 2: a new travel shows, Delights.
Speaker 4: It's fabulous, secretly Mega Ripped, absolutely top.
Speaker 3: Not because I'm picturing now in Arnold Schwarzenegger as Conan
Speaker 3: the Barbarian in a YouTube travel show. You know what?
Speaker 4: That be wonderful? Yeah, Conan. This would have been early days,
Speaker 4: like Golden Age comics.
Speaker 3: In nineteen twenties, so the author Robert E. Howard, who
Speaker 3: originates Conan and the Barbarian as a short story called
Speaker 3: The Shadowed Kingdom. And by the way, all of the
Speaker 3: graphic novel or comic book adaptations of Conan and the
Speaker 3: Barbaria are pretty great reads if you're into this stuff.
Speaker 3: So he he goes back, most likely to another controversial figure,
Speaker 3: sort of a David Ike of her day, called Helena Blavatsky,
Speaker 3: and in eighteen eighty eight or so, she writes a
Speaker 3: book called Or. She collects some lectures and things she
Speaker 3: had said previously about the idea something you referred to earlier, Matt,
Speaker 3: the idea that there are lizard people who are part
Speaker 3: of an ancient civilization that was once more advanced than humanity,
Speaker 3: but met with great peril and disaster at Land or
Speaker 3: Lemuria sinks. Howard has this story in The Shadow Kingdom,
Speaker 3: whereing Conum the Barbarian runs into the serpent Men, which
Speaker 3: are pretty much beat for beat the Dragon Men from
Speaker 3: the Secret Doctrine and the other stories that Levatsky took
Speaker 3: from and surprise Conan. The serpent people are bad, they're pills.
Speaker 2: Well, but it really does influence the way reptilians are
Speaker 2: spoken about the powers that they allegedly have and the
Speaker 2: other parts of the theory their motivations. Even so, within
Speaker 2: Howard's story, you meet this guy named Cole k U
Speaker 2: l L who's like a barbarian who.
Speaker 4: Takes the confused with krawl. No, no, no, isn't that
Speaker 4: krawl also kind of a thing though, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a sci fi think and that's awesome that
Speaker 2: some of the some of my weirdest childhood memories come
Speaker 2: from watching that show. And then he got mixed up
Speaker 2: in my head in weird way as it's a movie.
Speaker 3: It was such an interesting film. Is this the one
Speaker 3: where they have the huge throwing star? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks like.
Speaker 4: A weird seeing em and or rather like a what
Speaker 4: do you call it, you know, like a like a starfish.
Speaker 3: Kind yes, yeah, and yeah Kroll also probably calls back
Speaker 3: to this stuff, Matt, where you're going here makes sense
Speaker 3: to be right. Cole the barbarian so got so Coden
Speaker 3: meets a colleague would be the children's story.
Speaker 2: Kind yeah, I kinda. And but Cole, he's this dude
Speaker 2: from Atlanta or he what no, he he's from Atlantis.
Speaker 2: He's a barbarian, and he conquers this other place. Right
Speaker 2: once he goes in, he conquers this place, takes over.
Speaker 2: I'm krig now and he's going to bed in the
Speaker 2: palace and he gets contacted by this other this other
Speaker 2: group of people, and basically he finds out are He's
Speaker 2: shown by another one of the characters in the story
Speaker 2: that all of the guards in this palace are still
Speaker 2: everybody looks like they're still on guard, but he's shown
Speaker 2: that the actual guards have been knocked out and their
Speaker 2: bodies are like in other rooms, and he's like, what
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? And he is told that
Speaker 2: these this group of people, these serpent men, have shape
Speaker 2: shifted to look like all the guards and are all
Speaker 2: in place. And then a counselor comes in who is
Speaker 2: also a shape shifting reptilian creature attempts to assassinate him.
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because it's it goes back to
Speaker 2: operating in secret, right, conspiratorially replacing people to look as
Speaker 2: though it's someone you would trust. All of these concepts
Speaker 2: of what a serpent man is as described by Howard
Speaker 2: in this story. It follows you can follow that trail,
Speaker 2: and when you take it back to Blovatsky, it's really dude,
Speaker 2: it gets it gets super in the weeds. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to get in the weeds.
Speaker 4: Here, but the Great Dragon the that's where we are, dude.
Speaker 2: She describes the Great Dragon and the Serpents of Wisdom,
Speaker 2: which it goes back to the way she describes I
Speaker 2: think it's five races of like humanoids that have existed throughout.
Speaker 3: Time, and she's ripping off a lot of ancient myths
Speaker 3: from the Indian subcontinent. This we do have to get
Speaker 3: in front of some emails. Please still email us again.
Speaker 3: Pictures are the funniest reptile. We need the comic relief
Speaker 3: for this film. But we do have to say important
Speaker 3: point here. Just to be clear. Cole is sort of
Speaker 3: Conan's colleague, but Cole is like the duplo to the
Speaker 3: lego that is Conan the Barbarian. So Cole is an
Speaker 3: earlier thing that is basically Conan the Barbarian, arguably a
Speaker 3: bit smarter, written by the same author, and then later
Speaker 3: he goes to Conan, and then Conan has pretty much
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: So it's not a superman. Captain Marvel kind of like
Speaker 4: rivalry thing. This is actually the same individual that's created
Speaker 4: both of these characters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just kept creating the same character, kind of
Speaker 3: like when a director just has the one French I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like Transformers or whatever. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: funniest the lizard or reptile. I would argue the geka,
Speaker 4: Oh wow, geko would be great comic relief, just saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, one last thing, shape shifting. Yeah, one last thing,
Speaker 2: not just shape shifting, but magic, like ancient technological magic
Speaker 2: like that. Cause of that thing where it's between magic
Speaker 2: and technology. They are able to do things like make
Speaker 2: you believe you're walking into one area or one room
Speaker 2: when you're actually somewhere else. Almost like.
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 2: It's like the Jedi mind trick kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: causing an illusion in your own mind.
Speaker 3: Illusionists. They also are seen as these gatekeepers of wisdom,
Speaker 3: and again this is ancient folklore goes back to the
Speaker 3: first time people started peopling and someone got bit by
Speaker 3: a snake and said, I learned something snake bad. Oh
Speaker 3: there we go. What's up with all of this anti
Speaker 3: reptile rhetoric? Yet yes, so some of us, for.
Speaker 4: Good reason but there are other creatures what bite.
Speaker 3: We also we also see another commonality. The modern lizard
Speaker 3: folk are thought to be the ones that you see
Speaker 3: that look human are sort of the ones that have
Speaker 3: stronger human genes or better at shape shifting. And the
Speaker 3: rest of the lizard people live underground in secret bases
Speaker 3: and you can't tell anybody, and they're still pissed at
Speaker 3: humans for some reason. And they will rise, right, they
Speaker 3: will rise. They will rise when it's warm enough outside,
Speaker 3: maybe in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to heat the planet up, bro.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's fo he is about two spoilers. We
Speaker 3: also have to thank political science professor Michael Barkun who
Speaker 3: who has a good look at Ike's theories and traces
Speaker 3: back this Blovatsky e Howard origin. And we could stop there, right,
Speaker 3: we could say, okay, this is provably pulp fiction. It's
Speaker 3: real gone wrong. Right, that's another comparison. But we can't
Speaker 3: be satisfied with originating that theory just in the eighteen eighties,
Speaker 3: because Noel, you hit on something that I think gets
Speaker 3: us even deeper into the story. So what say we
Speaker 3: take a break for a word from our slithering sponsors
Speaker 3: and then see if we can come back to solve
Speaker 3: the mystery. Oh, peek behind the curtain. Sometimes when we're recording,
Speaker 3: we'll give a message to future Paul, or we'll say, hey,
Speaker 3: future Paul, check this thing out. So future Paul, if
Speaker 3: you're listening, I'm sorry we haven't mentioned Opus Day yet
Speaker 3: because they also get lumped in with lizard people, so
Speaker 3: respect to that shadowy capal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man again goes back to the Catholic Church feelings that
Speaker 2: people have.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's supposed to be as we record today, there
Speaker 3: is supposed to be a press conference by the actual Pope,
Speaker 3: by the actual facts Pope on UFOs and supernatural No way, Yes, wait.
Speaker 2: I heard, I heard through the grapevine, guys that we
Speaker 2: are being prepared not only by the US government since
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, but also by great religious leaders such as
Speaker 2: il Popo, that we are that we are going to
Speaker 2: we are being prepared for full disclosure. Finally, after gosh,
Speaker 2: how many how many times have we talked about disclosure?
Speaker 3: At this point, it's going to be anti climactic. I
Speaker 3: feel like civilization has can I say this on air?
Speaker 3: I feel like civilization has been edging on disclosure for
Speaker 3: so long, caare we say, what are we.
Speaker 2: Going to do if the Pope discloses Reptilians the day
Speaker 2: we're recording our episode on Reptilians, We're.
Speaker 3: Gonna have to ask We're gonna have to fuss with
Speaker 3: our schedule and get this published as soon as today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll just have to ride the wave on that one.
Speaker 4: I just want to see the Pope, you know, come
Speaker 4: out on his little patio or whatever to address the
Speaker 4: people and just pull.
Speaker 3: That human mask right off. Wouldn't that be sick? What if?
Speaker 3: What if he comes out? He says? Reptilians are real?
Speaker 3: I am the actual only member of the clergy who
Speaker 3: is still human.
Speaker 2: And the take off their masks and they've got spears.
Speaker 3: Through the glaves. Yeah, where's the Swiss Guard? This goes
Speaker 3: all the way to the top of the peaks of Switzerland.
Speaker 3: All right. But if they have like laser guns?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, I love it.
Speaker 3: What kind of smoke do they burn when they make
Speaker 3: that announcement? I do love the smoke signal thing, you know,
Speaker 3: when they love there we go. So why did this idea?
Speaker 3: There's so many shadowy, secret cabal things. Why did this
Speaker 3: idea in particular, get so much attention, gain so much steam. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's human prejudice, but that applies to every single other
Speaker 3: secret group, conspiracy we've talked about. No, you hit on
Speaker 3: something that I think resonates with all of us, which
Speaker 3: is we can't just explain it with human prejudice. We
Speaker 3: have to think about animal prejudice too. People hate and
Speaker 3: fear reptiles on a primal level. Right, you see birds, well,
Speaker 3: depending on where you live, you see birds pretty often. Right,
Speaker 3: you'll run away from them. But if you're walking by
Speaker 3: and you see a snake. There was that time I
Speaker 3: ran away from the chicken because it was chasing. I've
Speaker 3: been in some situations with birds, I get it, but
Speaker 3: you know geese or jerks, right, But generally, I would
Speaker 3: argue most people have a hardwired awareness and caution around
Speaker 3: reptiles like little lizz I think get a pass for
Speaker 3: most people, but after a certain size, even the most
Speaker 3: harmless lizard is gonna give.
Speaker 2: You, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's certainly one of the more prevalent phobias.
Speaker 4: My mother was deafly afraid of snakes. You couldn't show
Speaker 4: her a rubber snake, You couldn't show her a like
Speaker 4: beaded tapestry depicting a snake like seriously, it would it
Speaker 4: would freak her out.
Speaker 3: To no end.
Speaker 4: And it's this primal fear that I think, you know
Speaker 4: comes from a legacy of you know, humans wanting to
Speaker 4: like survive evolution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you bit me. I learned something so that reptiles
Speaker 3: are higher refence.
Speaker 2: I just want to put this outther guy. So, I
Speaker 2: was a known and feared lizard hunter in parts of Clearwater,
Speaker 2: Florida when I was a child. I had surprise me
Speaker 2: and I meant business.
Speaker 3: Let the lizards call you cole shop the market.
Speaker 2: No, but I would never kill him. They were just
Speaker 2: so awesome. I would hang out them because they were amazing.
Speaker 3: I had some I had some lizard situations too, man.
Speaker 3: I think snakes are always fascinating because they're one of
Speaker 3: the animals that if you just see it in the wild,
Speaker 3: because so many other successful animals have limbs and tarsals
Speaker 3: and meta tarsals and flangies and all that and thumbs,
Speaker 3: shout out the thumbs. When you see a snake that
Speaker 3: has none of those, you're just like, look at you, buddy,
Speaker 3: how'd you get here? What did you do today? What's
Speaker 3: the rest of your weekend?
Speaker 2: Like how are you a thing? How are you a thing?
Speaker 3: Like what it's like see to giraffe, It's like, I
Speaker 3: understand you're alive. I expect your right to exist, but
Speaker 3: also why and how this? I think? Right? You know,
Speaker 3: fear of lizards in particular is her petiophobia her petiophobia,
Speaker 3: and I do it does seem to be a programmed thing,
Speaker 3: because if we go back pre Blevatski Plevatski and pre
Speaker 3: the Secret Doctrine, we see, you know, snakes showing up
Speaker 3: as a reptile, showing up as givers of wisdom, givers
Speaker 3: of infernal danger and great decisions, deceivers, deceivers right right,
Speaker 3: illusionists in so many different things. There's a great book
Speaker 3: with a really long name from Eye of Newt and
Speaker 3: Toe of frog, adders, Fork and Lizard's Leg The Lore
Speaker 3: and Mythology of Amphibians and Reptiles. It's a very specific book, uh.
Speaker 2: Of frogs and lizard's leg.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's got the cadence and this author, Marty Crump,
Speaker 3: also talks about the reptilian conspiracy of today being related
Speaker 3: to the mythology of the Naga from India. Half cobra
Speaker 3: half human creatures. They were thought to be the originator
Speaker 3: of earthquakes and eruptions. They were great powers of the earth,
Speaker 3: which meant, you know, now fast forward a little bit,
Speaker 3: play telephone play folklore, we've got other reptilians who still
Speaker 3: control Earth. So it's an interesting evolution of a myth
Speaker 3: if nothing else. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: But we've talked about it before, guys. But if there
Speaker 2: was a time is long right long? Or it's been
Speaker 2: around for a long time. There have been many iterations
Speaker 2: of creatures that have existed and then been wiped from
Speaker 2: the face of the Earth. Over and over and over.
Speaker 2: It has happened. Is it any wonder that we have
Speaker 2: these myths about this kind of thing?
Speaker 3: I don't know it.
Speaker 2: It does make me wonder. I'm constantly wondering if there
Speaker 2: was some form of intelligent not maybe not too technological
Speaker 2: advancement stages or things like that, but a highly intelligent
Speaker 2: reptile of some sort that existed in an era way
Speaker 2: before hours, that left something behind that was found a
Speaker 2: long time ago, and it just created some kind of
Speaker 2: I don't spark of another.
Speaker 3: Even yeah, even early human or hominid encounters with reptiles
Speaker 3: that are a little bit too smart. Yeah right, clever girl,
Speaker 3: They say, yeah, millions of Muldoon. Wasn't that his name?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just really I'm every time we're
Speaker 2: thinking about this, my brain goes to places they're just like, man,
Speaker 2: there's gotta be something.
Speaker 3: What was that conversation? Oh everyone, fellow conspiracy realists. If
Speaker 3: you haven't listened yet, check out our episode on probably
Speaker 3: the best ancient civilization hypothesis, the Silurian hypothesis, right, which
Speaker 3: is neck and neck with this or not.
Speaker 4: It's not a competition, not neck gek and ghek.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there we go. It's a gek and ghek.
Speaker 3: I'm still learning English. I apologize. But there's also there
Speaker 3: is no proven case of a human reptile hybrid now,
Speaker 3: not one in all of history, unless it's a big
Speaker 3: cover up. There are things you could say are kind
Speaker 3: of like hybrid, Like we know reptiles existed that had
Speaker 3: some mammalian traits or seemed to be something that was
Speaker 3: kind of like a reptile was kind of like a mammal.
Speaker 3: But those are basically extinct or they're as wacky as
Speaker 3: the platypus, which just looks like such a scamp, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, what's the platypus up to? What
Speaker 3: kind of phineas and ferb there is? But none of
Speaker 3: those things look humanoid. That's that's the issue.
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting too? That like what an antithesis to humanity?
Speaker 4: The reptile is right in terms of blood works different,
Speaker 4: you know, it needs different environments. You know, it has
Speaker 4: this like scaly skin. Sometimes they have venom, they can
Speaker 4: regrow their own tails. There's just something uncanny and inhuman
Speaker 4: like to the extreme about reptiles.
Speaker 3: I think they're super cool.
Speaker 2: To be honest, there are there are also a potentially
Speaker 2: formidable opponent right to advancement of humans, right or a
Speaker 2: real threat.
Speaker 3: The ideeah the idea being that if the dice had
Speaker 3: rolled a little bit differently than the role of the
Speaker 3: dominant role of apex predator a Homo sapien would have
Speaker 3: been played by something possibly reptilian, which you know, they're
Speaker 3: the progenitors of the avians. They've been around for quite
Speaker 3: a long time and science still has a lot to
Speaker 3: learn about reptiles. Really fascinating stuff. You know, reptiles do
Speaker 3: have emotions. It was a common stereotype that they did not.
Speaker 3: The ongoing debate is the depth to which they process
Speaker 3: those emotions, because they are, to that earlier point, so
Speaker 3: very different from mammal emotions. But you I'm going to
Speaker 3: tell im, Goanna say don't do this, don't do it
Speaker 3: at home. But it is proven that people can befriend
Speaker 3: like alligators, crocodiles, they're puppies. They're ancient swamp puppies. They're
Speaker 3: ancient creatures. They reached what they needed for evolution and
Speaker 3: they just been coasting on it. You know, humans are
Speaker 3: the new kids in the game very much so. So okay,
Speaker 3: you might be saying, we've definitely said it. You might
Speaker 3: have said this is neat folklore, right, But why does
Speaker 3: this matter today? Is it just because you guys are
Speaker 3: going to have fun talking about it? A yes? But
Speaker 3: does it teach us something? Yes? That is it also
Speaker 3: teaches something because in recent years here in the United States,
Speaker 3: when propagandists were weaponizing any kind of ideological gait they
Speaker 3: could find to get people to move the way these
Speaker 3: propagandists wished, they didn't spare the reptilian conspiracy. They got
Speaker 3: it onto the polls and parts of the United states,
Speaker 3: like I'm voting for this person because they're against lizard people.
Speaker 3: They get it. We find we have an honest comptroller
Speaker 3: in Southwestern District of Minnesota that is a made up example.
Speaker 3: All due respect to the great comptrollers of Southwestern Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 3: very powerful cabal in their own right. But this, I mean,
Speaker 3: do you guys remember hearing about this like people were
Speaker 3: it was like the early twenty teens.
Speaker 2: I do not remember hearing about this. I remember yesterday
Speaker 2: when I was on Instagram and there were people making
Speaker 2: reels about reptilians and capturing capturing something on camera at
Speaker 2: the met gala or something where somebody's eyes didn't look
Speaker 2: right and it's definitely a confirmed reptile. And it had
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of plays and thousands of shares and
Speaker 2: comments and it's now, it's like right now, But back then,
Speaker 2: what was going on?
Speaker 3: Oh back there's a great Vox article by a journalist
Speaker 3: alex Abad Santos in twenty fifteen. This writer noted there
Speaker 3: could be real world consequences when we confuse good stories
Speaker 3: with facts, and especially when it gets weaponized. Right by
Speaker 3: the students of Bernese, I should say the disciples thereof,
Speaker 3: and there's the article is a must read. It's really good.
Speaker 3: It's from twenty fifteen, but it holds up today, and
Speaker 3: pointed out some polling that I had no idea existed.
Speaker 4: Oh this is fascinating. Yeah, I really did blow my
Speaker 4: mind as well.
Speaker 3: To quote.
Speaker 4: Back in April of twenty thirteen, Public Policy Polling conducted
Speaker 4: a poll about conspiracy theories like aliens and imposter Paul
Speaker 4: McCartney and of course lizard people, and the polling organization
Speaker 4: found that four percent of Americans believe in lizard people,
Speaker 4: while another seven percent were unsure. Asimulatter taken to its
Speaker 4: absurd extreme, that would imply around twelve million Americans.
Speaker 3: Heard the phrase lizard people and said, yeah, sounds about right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: someone's asking the real questions.
Speaker 2: I'm going back to movies from twenty thirteen, guys, just
Speaker 2: to like see what's in the popular mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the box office.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's interesting stuff when you look at
Speaker 2: some of the science fiction. That movie Dark Skies came
Speaker 2: out that didn't get a ton of you know show.
Speaker 2: I guess there was a movie about one of Jupiter's
Speaker 2: moons called the Europa Report. That's when after Earth came out,
Speaker 2: Remember that one with when Will Smith?
Speaker 3: Oh no, Will Smith?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay Will Smith's kid yeah, oh yes. And
Speaker 2: isn't Will Smith in it too? Maybe not? Maybe so
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but like.
Speaker 3: Just s of There's Game came that year.
Speaker 2: Yep, oh my god, you guys.
Speaker 3: This is a deep cut and I hope you guys
Speaker 3: have seen this.
Speaker 4: It's a Villa Neov film called Enemy, starring Jake Gillenhall.
Speaker 3: That movie is entirely about.
Speaker 4: Like it's not it's not reptiles, it's more Iraq knet,
Speaker 4: but it's definitely there's something going on with humanity that
Speaker 4: this one guy is trying to get to the bottom of.
Speaker 4: It's a very Lynchian art film, but absolutely doppelganger Freaky City.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend Enemy.
Speaker 2: That's also your snow Piercer was was like remade in
Speaker 2: an American version. There's the Pacific Rim came out that year.
Speaker 2: Just this, there's a lot of thought going into maybe
Speaker 2: conspiratorial things up some some group above the.
Speaker 3: Boss University, conspiratorial cosmic corp or sci fi.
Speaker 2: World war Z, somebody had plans or whatever to take over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we we see that this is in the
Speaker 3: zeikeis twelve million Americans is a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not the biggest demographic in all of the pie slices
Speaker 3: of the United States, but it's huge. And you can
Speaker 3: easily find that David Ike's work in particular as ardent proponents,
Speaker 3: not satirical proponents, but ardent believers in well over forty
Speaker 3: five countries. Right. Something about this idea seems to resonate
Speaker 3: with people. And this is the same reason that works
Speaker 3: like the Secret Doctrine and the myths that got kind
Speaker 3: of plagiarized to make that book. This is the reason
Speaker 3: they were all so popular in their day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, quickly, guys, some of the myths that are
Speaker 2: a part of the Secret Doctrine, specifically the second book
Speaker 2: in that series. Because she only wrote two. There's a
Speaker 2: third one that's written by somebody else, and then a
Speaker 2: fourth one that's like a compendium of all of them.
Speaker 3: It becomes kind of like Lovecrafty and mythos again when
Speaker 3: the authors pass around the story and add their own
Speaker 3: avocado to the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and like you said, it goes back to
Speaker 2: other myths, right. But then Blovatski's another person who said
Speaker 2: she read this one book and she was doing meditations,
Speaker 2: and she was again almost a message was being channeled
Speaker 2: through her. That becomes what is known as the Secret Doctrine.
Speaker 2: But in that there is this concept that these serpents
Speaker 2: of wisdom, these great dragons, whatever all this stuff is,
Speaker 2: they they are a group of some form of creature
Speaker 2: that uses serpents to describe them, right, that live underground.
Speaker 2: They live in subterranean areas, at least according to Bolovatski
Speaker 2: and whatever she you know, whatever information she's going on,
Speaker 2: they live underneath some type of pyramidal structures. So if
Speaker 2: we blow this out and imagine this thing, this concept, right,
Speaker 2: think about the ancient pyramids that exist across the planet,
Speaker 2: Like literally in every continent there are pyramidal structures.
Speaker 3: Or just mountains that look like pyramids.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but in many cases they are they are
Speaker 2: man made rtures. This concept that this is where I
Speaker 2: was taking it, guys, this concept that there was some
Speaker 2: ancient humanoid creatures that were very smart and intelligent that
Speaker 2: survived whatever apocalypse occurred by going underground. And the humans
Speaker 2: either created these pyramid structures to you know, keep them
Speaker 2: down there or to you know, whatever it is, to
Speaker 2: protect themselves from these creatures. Right then, then I imagined
Speaker 2: all of the ultra wealthy people that exist now that
Speaker 2: will survive whatever apocalypse comes that we're going to experience
Speaker 2: at some point in the next several thousand years, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's time again for another one of those
Speaker 2: they will They may be the only humanoids quote unquote
Speaker 2: that survive because they go underground again.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it just made me think about, well, if there
Speaker 2: was some type of intelligent reptilian thing that survived the
Speaker 2: last great destruction, that would probably be how they would do.
Speaker 3: It, and probably be a maritime There's a great book,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, what's his name, Neil Stevenson. It's called Seven Eves.
Speaker 3: It's never going to be adapted, but it absolutely should.
Speaker 3: It struggles with that same question, like who survives in
Speaker 3: a world ending event? This is not even this is
Speaker 3: just how weirdly high stakes the book is. The first
Speaker 3: sentence is something like, all at once, for no reason,
Speaker 3: the moon blew apart, and then it talks about how
Speaker 3: fragments of the moon fall down to Earth and people,
Speaker 3: enormously wealthy people, governments, religious leaders all try to survive
Speaker 3: and figure out where they would go. So I think
Speaker 3: this is Oh gosh, I've derailed us. This is just
Speaker 3: an excuse for me to talk about how I love
Speaker 3: that freaking book.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just a thought experiment, right, I guess, is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, all of that stuff, even that's
Speaker 2: included in the Secret Doctrine, to me, sounds like a
Speaker 2: thought experiment that is interesting to apply to the future
Speaker 2: rather than and even back then.
Speaker 3: Because this is another thing. I'm glad you're bringing that up.
Speaker 3: We have to be careful when we're saying there is
Speaker 3: no objective proof about something, because if we are interrogating
Speaker 3: this in the realm of folklore, then we have to
Speaker 3: realize the important thing is it's meant to teach us
Speaker 3: a lesson, something to take with us when situations like
Speaker 3: this occur. Right, the specific characteristics of a boogeyman in
Speaker 3: the woods might not be real, but it does teach
Speaker 3: you the woods are dangerous, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily malevolent or drifting. I mean, it
Speaker 3: also shows us these ideas do not have to be
Speaker 3: true to have real world effects. And a lot of times,
Speaker 3: especially when this was kind of weaponized in US elections,
Speaker 3: the people who are weaponizing these stories and trying to
Speaker 3: get you to do stuff. They don't care whether or
Speaker 3: not the story is true. It's just an ideological door
Speaker 3: to get you to move in footstep with what they
Speaker 3: actually want, whatever that real conspiracy may be. That's the
Speaker 3: thing we have to pay attention to, not what the
Speaker 3: right hand is waving, but what the left hand is
Speaker 3: holding behind its back. I'm getting too weird with the
Speaker 3: similes analogies. I don't know. Maybe I'm becoming a lizard person.
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever wonder if you're definitely become strange
Speaker 3: that it becomes strang? Yes, I should have just texted
Speaker 3: you that instead of saying I couldn't make it to
Speaker 3: hang out you. Oh, you're right, We've got to bring
Speaker 3: that back. No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you you consistently referring to this as folkloric.
Speaker 4: You know, in nature, we feel that way in terms
Speaker 4: of a lot of these kinds of stories. You know,
Speaker 4: whether there's a grain of truth to them or not,
Speaker 4: the life that they take on beyond whatever that grain
Speaker 4: is ends up becoming the thing that captures people's imaginations.
Speaker 4: But I really like the idea of this as kind
Speaker 4: of a parable for how power is kind of manifested,
Speaker 4: you know, and passed on and just this knee to
Speaker 4: believe there's some nefarious force other than just the nefarious
Speaker 4: force is inherent and being a human that are causing
Speaker 4: the bad things to happen to us in the world.
Speaker 4: I think it's natural to want to, you know, blame
Speaker 4: something on that that is outside of ourselves. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I think people are just
Speaker 4: as capable of evil stuff as weird alien reptiles.
Speaker 2: Well, it almost speaks to the desire of power as
Speaker 2: being some infectious thing that's handed down that isn't actually
Speaker 2: exactly a part of what we are or could be
Speaker 2: or should be, right, just that the desire to seize
Speaker 2: power and then hold it is outside of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's this there's one thing we have to
Speaker 3: end on, like before we get to it, the penultimate
Speaker 3: thing you're wondering, am I a lizard person? With? Thanks
Speaker 3: to the journalist Philip Bump, there is a that example
Speaker 3: of a quick quiz you can give yourself and Matt Noll,
Speaker 3: who we're playing with this a little bit off air,
Speaker 3: would you be comfortable giving your answers to this brief quiz.
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, Here is a list of clues that
Speaker 3: you or someone you know, maybe a lizard person. Do
Speaker 3: they or you have? Number one green eyes? I do not.
Speaker 2: Does hazel count is I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Put it as a point five? Okay, al you I'm
Speaker 3: the wrong person to ask. Unfortunately, no other green or okay,
Speaker 3: check green eyes? All right, h I'll have to put
Speaker 3: in the file. I didn't know. Number two. Do you
Speaker 3: have good eyesight or hearing? Excellent eyesights and hearing.
Speaker 2: A terrible eyesight, good hearing?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'm putting you both as a yes
Speaker 3: for that one. Three red hair? God crap. You know
Speaker 3: what's funny?
Speaker 4: You know I did used to have some red in
Speaker 4: my beard, which is sinsterned white. But for a time
Speaker 4: I had a little red streak in my beard. Can
Speaker 4: I get a point five on that one?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, you've got a point five.
Speaker 2: I'll take a one point five.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is my favorite one. By the way. The
Speaker 3: next one is so it's so pointed. Do you have
Speaker 3: a sense of not belonging to the human race? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Damn it. I mean Zoom would want to be in
Speaker 3: that club, you know what I mean? I don't blame you. Uh, okay,
Speaker 3: five unexplained scars on the body or are you just
Speaker 3: not cool? I got a couple of weird ones. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's normal to have unexplained scars. Do we
Speaker 3: remember every time we got a booboo when we were
Speaker 3: a little kid?
Speaker 2: Is that like regenerated limbs and stuff? Is that we're
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 3: I cut you know. I was trying to find I
Speaker 3: was going through Mysteries of the Unknown, fantastic series available
Speaker 3: on eBay, I guess, and I was trying to find
Speaker 3: a longer quiz that had questions like do you find
Speaker 3: yourself fascinated by thunderstorms? Who is not fascinated by thunderstorms?
Speaker 3: I mean your own eyeball?
Speaker 2: Do you prefer the taste of small rodents?
Speaker 3: Do you have extra vertebrate? Was one of the things,
Speaker 3: and just a couple, just just a couple, that's one
Speaker 3: of the things. Yeah, oh check, okay, okay, uh, it
Speaker 3: is common to have extra vertebrate? Yeah, do you have?
Speaker 3: Some of these are such bs? Do you have a
Speaker 3: love of space? I know, I know a couple people
Speaker 3: who actually hate space, and I think that's such an
Speaker 3: interesting perspective really, I mean, it's terrifying, but it's awesome.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Well they're rightly saying, maybe we should fix Earth. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean we have Yeah, well they're like,
Speaker 3: we have problems at home. Why are we trying to
Speaker 3: make problems in orbit?
Speaker 4: You know, technically space holds our planet up. Yeah, in
Speaker 4: some way shape or form seven. Do you have low
Speaker 4: blood pressure?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think so. Sometimes pressure is normal. Pull
Speaker 3: my charts. That's our big takeaway. We're not debunking the
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