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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nola. They call

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Speaker 3: me Bed. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul,

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Speaker 3: Mission controlled decand folks. Serious warning, serious disclaimer. Tonight's episode

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Speaker 3: may not be for all lizard people. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: felt like there was some secret group running the world.

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Speaker 3: I think most of us have at some point, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got many names, right, the Illuminati, perhaps.

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Speaker 3: They they they live them you know, yes, I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen they live. I'm so familiar with the it all with.

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Speaker 4: That's sort of almost a lizard people kind of vibe, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah and this h and also Matt, I appreciate the

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Speaker 3: shout out to they the stars of the show. The

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. In tonight's episode,

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Speaker 3: we're exploring one of the most long running genres of

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Speaker 3: conspiracy on the planet, the idea that some shadowy cabal

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Speaker 3: really does run the world, A cabal that may not

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Speaker 3: be entirely human. Only rowdy rowdy piper can save us.

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts I mean, of course, right, if

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Speaker 3: you're if you're an intelligent person, you look around. Most

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Speaker 3: people are intelligent. You look around, and at one point

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Speaker 3: or another in your life you think somebody might really

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Speaker 3: like how much of a democracy is given insert giving

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Speaker 3: And the stuff we have to get out of the

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Speaker 3: way immediately is there's a grain of truth to this

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Speaker 3: genre of belief and accusation. It's just the specifics where

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Speaker 3: things get sticky. Does that sound fair? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We look around and we see the society, no matter

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Speaker 2: And then you realize, oh wait, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: these really important people go to these fancy restaurants that

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Speaker 2: to see it and you start to feel, wow, there

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Speaker 2: really is maybe there is something bigger to this.

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Speaker 4: Well you guys doo, I mean, you know, talking about

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Speaker 4: the little secret kind of societies and social clubs and all.

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Speaker 3: That, But what about colleges.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the biggest social clubs of all that

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Speaker 2: Right, and dynasties within families. That's because of those colleges,

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Speaker 2: because all those social positionings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the simple sociological answer would be that people, despite

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Speaker 3: hear people accusing, you know, wealthy dynasties like the House

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Speaker 3: They worship infertile powers, or they are aliens or time travelers,

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Speaker 3: or all the racist stuff I thought earlier was right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when in reality, I guess it's just the

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Speaker 3: Well phone m Yeah name. You know. It's possible to

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Speaker 3: I've just I'm making room for the four billionaires who listen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, can we borrow some money? Yes, have your footman

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Speaker 3: in your valet call it, or better yet, write us

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Speaker 2: It is still weird, though, because power behind the throne

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Speaker 4: And that's all thanks to Citizens United, which totally wrecked

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and international non governmental institutions, the builder Burgers, the CFR,

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Speaker 4: Whenever you hear builder Burger, Am I the only one

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Speaker 3: Do they build fast food? Do they do they say

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What do they really get into a Davos? And

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Speaker 3: But you love to see it. That's the ubami, you know, Like,

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Speaker 3: Powerful religious organizations got the same accusations. Back in the day,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's try a new flavor this season. Go on

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Speaker 4: exactly the rest of us a.

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Speaker 3: Chance and the more modern conspiratorial cabal theories. There are

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Speaker 2: Oh and sometimes water, sometimes people need water. They hook

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Speaker 2: quickly in this thread here, we got a message from Rob,

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Speaker 2: It's called Joe Daughters j ob apostrophe s Daughters, not

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Speaker 2: spelled like you know, gobu, but it is. It's an

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Speaker 2: But they've got like a Supreme Guardian Council and all

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Speaker 2: I guess what I mean is, it's just it stinks

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Speaker 3: What sort of group would allow these things to occur?

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Speaker 2: It's the conspiracy that it makes all of the terrible

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Speaker 3: Just like Cheryl Crow said, think about it. Read the lyrics.

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Speaker 4: But what comes up over Santa Monica Boulevard. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: But I made serious though this the Reptilian conspiracy, at

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: Why take so long and be so protracted and then

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Speaker 3: At it does. It does seem to beggar explanation, right,

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Speaker 4: It's like that scene in The Witches by Roald Dahl

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Speaker 3: Their lizard faces breathe a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I just I think that's such a trope that you

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Speaker 3: Role Doll amazing author. The Witch's adaptation was really good too,

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Speaker 3: very good, very very scary, dark guy. Everybody check out

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Speaker 3: George's marvelous Medicine. By the way, Rolldall's best conspiracy book.

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Speaker 4: I think, and don't bother with The Witch's remake, the

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Speaker 3: I did. I didn't know there was a rebake.

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Speaker 4: It was a straight to HBO Max thing.

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Speaker 4: You can't fill fricking Angelica Houston square toed shoes.

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Speaker 3: You just can't do it.

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Speaker 2: they're just one. I think we're gonna get into it,

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Speaker 2: theories where they're not necessarily some extraterrestrial race that traveled

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Speaker 2: they've been around for so long. Well, we'll get into that.

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Speaker 2: But just like these reptilians are other, that's the whole

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Speaker 3: If you want.

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Speaker 4: Because the gods are on Earth affecting the outcome of

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Speaker 4: Roddy Piper plays a dude named something like Stephen Hell

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Speaker 3: the day named David Ike in nineteen, i want to say,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. He wrote a book called The Biggest Secret,

435
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: and he laid out you know, like Moses coming down

436
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: with some weird paperback tablets. He laid out the rules

437
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: of the modern lizard people conspiracy. He says everything we

438
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: said before, and then he also says, as a matter

439
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: of fact, many of the great historical and modern leaders.

440
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: Your favorite ones are half reptile and half human. Yeah,

441
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: let's just.

442
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 4: Say that he is what do you say, Ben ten

443
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 4: toes down on this stuff? But he fully but this

444
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: is this is very real to David.

445
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

446
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 4: Didn't we we talked to him, hadn't he sort of

447
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: softened on some of this a little bit? Or was

448
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: he still all in I kind of can't remember. Well,

449
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: uh yeah, some problematic issues too, as ad he did.

450
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: He's such a complicated person in my mind because to him,

451
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: at least in my estimation, I don't know about you guys,

452
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: but he seems to truly and fully believe that he

453
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: experienced something out in the desert that he felt was real.

454
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: There was a message about this very stuff about apocalypse,

455
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: about what's coming and why he.

456
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: Genuinely Yeah, in my estimation from like, yes, problematic to

457
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: a great degree, but in speaking with him and then

458
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: reading his books, I think he genuinely believes it. Like

459
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he sees himself as trying to call people.

460
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: That's at least where I where my mind goes when

461
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: I think about the way he's spoke and what he

462
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: spoke about and then since nineteen ninety eight. His career

463
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: is about, you know, selling books now and writing a

464
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: ton of more things, and each one of those has

465
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: to expand a little bit right on all the things before.

466
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Just if you think about it from a business perspective, right,

467
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: you can't just write the same thing over and over

468
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: and over again in like eighteen different books. So it's

469
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: he's almost I'm just trying to see the human part

470
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: of it, right, He's kind of forced to expand on

471
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then a lot of the theories

472
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: and the ideas that are in his books seem to

473
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: be traced back to super problematic things, even though what

474
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: he's saying in his books actually aren't that problematic on

475
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: the surface until you realize maybe the originating place.

476
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: Of them which kind of stuff, right, Yeah, which he

477
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: may not be aware of. He also he also told

478
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: us that his views had been mischaracterized, and I think

479
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: in that conversation read back some of his own quotes

480
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: to him, yeah, that he wrote, so so this is

481
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: this is a whole other bag of badgers. It's funny

482
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: because to that point about expansion, the list of people

483
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: who are lizard people does continue to grow. The British

484
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: Royal family. Of course they had to be in there,

485
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: right business tycoons, your favorite modern presidents. George Washington, George Washington,

486
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: friend of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

487
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: I have a quick question, guys. If this is the case,

488
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: and if history has been populated with all of these

489
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: influential figures, who are in fact lizard people? We talked

490
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: about the idea of interbreeding over a long enough timeline,

491
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: wouldn't there be more lizard people than actual people? Given

492
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: the prominence and power of some of these high ranking individuals.

493
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: It's a recessive trait, just like controlling dragons in some

494
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: so fire, got it. That's why. That's why all the

495
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: ancient Egyptians and old European dynasties were banging each other.

496
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: That's why the cousins were. I think they were just important.

497
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: This wasn't anything else to do. Well, when it goes wrong,

498
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: you get a habsburg. When it goes right, you get

499
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: like a lizard person.

500
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: What is really interesting, how obsessed royal families, just over

501
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: the span of human civilization, of the way they've been

502
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: obsessed with bloodlines?

503
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, and how else would you rationalize such an

504
00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: absurd government system? Yeah, you're inherently better than the people

505
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: that you're taking advantage of.

506
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: You have to be touched by God or you know,

507
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: in this case, by you know, the whatever what do

508
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: we call the line of reptilian DNA. Yeah, don't I

509
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: don't know, guys, But this is a good point though.

510
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a lot, where when a conspiracy

511
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: becomes popular enough and it becomes this morphing thing because

512
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: everybody now has input, right and can like add to

513
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: the thing.

514
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: Just what we're talking we're talking about corpse.

515
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when we're talking about the list and how

516
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: it's grown because kind of everybody gets to add people

517
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: in there, and then it could just expand and expand

518
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: and expand.

519
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: Then why aren't there more Welsh people on the list? See,

520
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: I'm bringing this back. I'm just gonna see how far

521
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: we can go with fake prejudice. Safe space. It's a

522
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: safe space to tell the truth about the Welsh. Well,

523
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, get too many fs, You have too many fs.

524
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: We do have a lot of as those words are unpronounced,

525
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: not unpronounceable. I do wonder though, if you guys thought

526
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: about the idea of connecting this theory to a recent

527
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: episode we did, and you could sub in lizard person

528
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: for antichrist Oka in some senses very much.

529
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: So, yes, yeah, and that's an astute observation. And you know,

530
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: one of my favorite examples of the list of lizard

531
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Speaker 3: people is Bob Hope. No, not Bob Hope. I have

532
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: an auto I have an autograph picture from Bob Hope,

533
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: So I may have evidence of a lizard person I

534
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: want to see. It's one of those things that comes

535
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: with a letter that says dictated but not read. Oh no,

536
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: he signed it. That's so old school. It's like what

537
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: they would do with fan mail, right, yeah, yeah, it

538
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: very much was a story for another day. But maybe

539
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: we do have proof of lizard people, per Ike. We might,

540
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: but that you know, for some of us who are

541
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: just getting read onto this theory, it can be kind

542
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: of disappointing. You might say, hey, what gives what about

543
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: all those old old school shadowy cabals that used to

544
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: believe in What about the Illuminati? We mentioned that at

545
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: the top, what about the Freemasons? David Ike shakes his

546
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: head and says, these are all basically conspiracy middle management.

547
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: They were each organization was created and deployed by the

548
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: lizard people. Yet another series of steps in their unknowable

549
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: grand design. There is no spoon.

550
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about organizations like Freemasons, and a lot of

551
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: these clubs go back to the Bavarian Illuminati. It's an

552
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: invite only it really didn't have anything to do with

553
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: your blood at all. Though if your grandfather was a Freemason,

554
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: that's a big plus if you're trying to get into

555
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: that organization.

556
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: Everybody loves a legacy higher.

557
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: That's true, but you don't have But you got bit,

558
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: but you don't have to have that connection to join

559
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: that group. You could just be interested in join. So

560
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: like this concept within the theory that it's middle management, right,

561
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: it's almost like humans serving this other group.

562
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, sort of the overseer class. Right. But this

563
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 3: also before we lose this point with like you could

564
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: argue that what he's doing more skeptical people would argue

565
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: that he's kind of soloing folklore at this point. You know,

566
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: he's kind of adding his own, uh, and other people

567
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: are taking it and running with it as well, the

568
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: same way that the Cuthulhu mythos started with HP Lovecraft

569
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: and expanded to other authors.

570
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: Well, and inevitably, when you look at something like that

571
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: and someone who like Ike, who's motivated by publishing dollars

572
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: and continuing to have that output, You're probably gonna see

573
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 4: some inconsistencies as he started building and sort of talking

574
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: till he gets an idea, you know what I mean,

575
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: talking till he gets an idea.

576
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: But when you but when you I guess if you

577
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: buy in to the theory right early on. Let's say,

578
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: let's say you read The Biggest Secret, right, and you

579
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: buy into this concept and you keep going down that

580
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Uh, you buy into the idea that he

581
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: was given or di some message. Right, It's not for

582
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: your perspective if you're in it. You're not seeing the

583
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: pulling in of all the different theories and all the

584
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: different ideas that then shape the big theory. You're just

585
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: you imagine that's the message that was received. Right, So

586
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: all of this is in some way some divinely inspired,

587
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: let's say.

588
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: Right. So in that case, the person through whom you

589
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: learn these things is not themselves the author exact profit.

590
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: They are a platform, they are a medium. And this

591
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: is also a clever way to get out of trouble.

592
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: If you say the wrong thing, and.

593
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna see it repeated as we as we follow

594
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: the trail back in time.

595
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple times. He has given lectures to over six

596
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: thousand people that a go that's better than live shows

597
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: that we have done so far. But there's always more

598
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: to the story. And before we make conclusions about this theory,

599
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: before we throw it all out with the reptilian bathwater,

600
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: we do have to think of it as folklore. And

601
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: when we think of it as folklore, will find that

602
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: just like the Nazi fantasies about secret vrill energy and hyperborea,

603
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: which also shows up in help Boy, we'll find that

604
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: this could be a case of fiction gone wrong, because

605
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: the idea of lizard people dates way back before David

606
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: Iike's book, like Conan and the Barbarian as lizard people

607
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: and rips that off from the Theosophist the spiritualist movement.

608
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: But the author of Conin did say it was fiction,

609
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: so kudos dam Well.

610
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, guys, I like a lot of folklore.

611
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: I feel like this whole framework is best served as

612
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: kind of a very interesting metaphor for the way power

613
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: is corrupting and the way power is spread and manipulated

614
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: from the shadows and the idea of there being this boogeyman,

615
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, I think is only you can read it

616
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 4: almost more as like a parable than it is an

617
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 4: actual facts thing that's going on.

618
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can we stick on on Conan just a bit?

619
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: I believe I always want to stick on Conan. He

620
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 4: is a smoke show.

621
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I just didn't expect that guy to

622
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: become such a popular late night talk show host. You know,

623
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: like a.

624
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: Probably you will take the quiz at the end, you've

625
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: got a surprise for us. But yeah, how can you

626
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: explain his success? Surely he couldn't just be hard working

627
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: and good at his.

628
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Job, I know, and just hilarious and creative whatever.

629
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: But man, and we're talking about two different Conan's here.

630
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: No, they're both barbarians, make the mistake, both Mega ripped.

631
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: Have you have you seen his travel show? He has

632
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: a new travel shows, Delights.

633
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: It's fabulous, secretly Mega Ripped, absolutely top.

634
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: Not because I'm picturing now in Arnold Schwarzenegger as Conan

635
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: the Barbarian in a YouTube travel show. You know what?

636
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: That be wonderful? Yeah, Conan. This would have been early days,

637
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: like Golden Age comics.

638
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: In nineteen twenties, so the author Robert E. Howard, who

639
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: originates Conan and the Barbarian as a short story called

640
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: The Shadowed Kingdom. And by the way, all of the

641
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: graphic novel or comic book adaptations of Conan and the

642
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: Barbaria are pretty great reads if you're into this stuff.

643
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: So he he goes back, most likely to another controversial figure,

644
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: sort of a David Ike of her day, called Helena Blavatsky,

645
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: and in eighteen eighty eight or so, she writes a

646
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: book called Or. She collects some lectures and things she

647
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 3: had said previously about the idea something you referred to earlier, Matt,

648
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: the idea that there are lizard people who are part

649
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: of an ancient civilization that was once more advanced than humanity,

650
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: but met with great peril and disaster at Land or

651
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: Lemuria sinks. Howard has this story in The Shadow Kingdom,

652
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: whereing Conum the Barbarian runs into the serpent Men, which

653
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: are pretty much beat for beat the Dragon Men from

654
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: the Secret Doctrine and the other stories that Levatsky took

655
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: from and surprise Conan. The serpent people are bad, they're pills.

656
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, but it really does influence the way reptilians are

657
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: spoken about the powers that they allegedly have and the

658
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: other parts of the theory their motivations. Even so, within

659
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: Howard's story, you meet this guy named Cole k U

660
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: l L who's like a barbarian who.

661
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: Takes the confused with krawl. No, no, no, isn't that

662
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: krawl also kind of a thing though, wasn't it?

663
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a sci fi think and that's awesome that

664
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: some of the some of my weirdest childhood memories come

665
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: from watching that show. And then he got mixed up

666
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: in my head in weird way as it's a movie.

667
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: It was such an interesting film. Is this the one

668
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: where they have the huge throwing star? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

669
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: it looks like.

670
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: A weird seeing em and or rather like a what

671
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: do you call it, you know, like a like a starfish.

672
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: Kind yes, yeah, and yeah Kroll also probably calls back

673
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: to this stuff, Matt, where you're going here makes sense

674
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: to be right. Cole the barbarian so got so Coden

675
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: meets a colleague would be the children's story.

676
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Kind yeah, I kinda. And but Cole, he's this dude

677
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: from Atlanta or he what no, he he's from Atlantis.

678
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: He's a barbarian, and he conquers this other place. Right

679
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: once he goes in, he conquers this place, takes over.

680
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: I'm krig now and he's going to bed in the

681
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: palace and he gets contacted by this other this other

682
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: group of people, and basically he finds out are He's

683
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: shown by another one of the characters in the story

684
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: that all of the guards in this palace are still

685
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: everybody looks like they're still on guard, but he's shown

686
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: that the actual guards have been knocked out and their

687
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: bodies are like in other rooms, and he's like, what

688
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? And he is told that

689
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: these this group of people, these serpent men, have shape

690
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: shifted to look like all the guards and are all

691
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: in place. And then a counselor comes in who is

692
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: also a shape shifting reptilian creature attempts to assassinate him.

693
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting because it's it goes back to

694
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: operating in secret, right, conspiratorially replacing people to look as

695
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: though it's someone you would trust. All of these concepts

696
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: of what a serpent man is as described by Howard

697
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: in this story. It follows you can follow that trail,

698
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: and when you take it back to Blovatsky, it's really dude,

699
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: it gets it gets super in the weeds. I don't

700
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: mean to get in the weeds.

701
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: Here, but the Great Dragon the that's where we are, dude.

702
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: She describes the Great Dragon and the Serpents of Wisdom,

703
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: which it goes back to the way she describes I

704
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: think it's five races of like humanoids that have existed throughout.

705
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: Time, and she's ripping off a lot of ancient myths

706
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: from the Indian subcontinent. This we do have to get

707
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: in front of some emails. Please still email us again.

708
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: Pictures are the funniest reptile. We need the comic relief

709
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: for this film. But we do have to say important

710
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: point here. Just to be clear. Cole is sort of

711
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: Conan's colleague, but Cole is like the duplo to the

712
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: lego that is Conan the Barbarian. So Cole is an

713
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: earlier thing that is basically Conan the Barbarian, arguably a

714
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 3: bit smarter, written by the same author, and then later

715
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: he goes to Conan, and then Conan has pretty much

716
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: the same thing.

717
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: So it's not a superman. Captain Marvel kind of like

718
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 4: rivalry thing. This is actually the same individual that's created

719
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: both of these characters.

720
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just kept creating the same character, kind of

721
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: like when a director just has the one French I guess.

722
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like Transformers or whatever. Oh, by the way,

723
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 4: funniest the lizard or reptile. I would argue the geka,

724
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: Oh wow, geko would be great comic relief, just saying.

725
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, one last thing, shape shifting. Yeah, one last thing,

726
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: not just shape shifting, but magic, like ancient technological magic

727
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: like that. Cause of that thing where it's between magic

728
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: and technology. They are able to do things like make

729
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: you believe you're walking into one area or one room

730
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: when you're actually somewhere else. Almost like.

731
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: What is that?

732
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: It's like the Jedi mind trick kind of thing. Yeah,

733
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: causing an illusion in your own mind.

734
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: Illusionists. They also are seen as these gatekeepers of wisdom,

735
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: and again this is ancient folklore goes back to the

736
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: first time people started peopling and someone got bit by

737
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: a snake and said, I learned something snake bad. Oh

738
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: there we go. What's up with all of this anti

739
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: reptile rhetoric? Yet yes, so some of us, for.

740
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Good reason but there are other creatures what bite.

741
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: We also we also see another commonality. The modern lizard

742
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: folk are thought to be the ones that you see

743
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: that look human are sort of the ones that have

744
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: stronger human genes or better at shape shifting. And the

745
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: rest of the lizard people live underground in secret bases

746
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: and you can't tell anybody, and they're still pissed at

747
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: humans for some reason. And they will rise, right, they

748
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: will rise. They will rise when it's warm enough outside,

749
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: maybe in the afternoon.

750
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to heat the planet up, bro.

751
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: That's it. That's fo he is about two spoilers. We

752
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: also have to thank political science professor Michael Barkun who

753
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: who has a good look at Ike's theories and traces

754
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: back this Blovatsky e Howard origin. And we could stop there, right,

755
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: we could say, okay, this is provably pulp fiction. It's

756
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: real gone wrong. Right, that's another comparison. But we can't

757
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: be satisfied with originating that theory just in the eighteen eighties,

758
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: because Noel, you hit on something that I think gets

759
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: us even deeper into the story. So what say we

760
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: take a break for a word from our slithering sponsors

761
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: and then see if we can come back to solve

762
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 3: the mystery. Oh, peek behind the curtain. Sometimes when we're recording,

763
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: we'll give a message to future Paul, or we'll say, hey,

764
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: future Paul, check this thing out. So future Paul, if

765
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: you're listening, I'm sorry we haven't mentioned Opus Day yet

766
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: because they also get lumped in with lizard people, so

767
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: respect to that shadowy capal. Yeah.

768
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: Man again goes back to the Catholic Church feelings that

769
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: people have.

770
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh, there's supposed to be as we record today, there

771
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: is supposed to be a press conference by the actual Pope,

772
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: by the actual facts Pope on UFOs and supernatural No way, Yes, wait.

773
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: I heard, I heard through the grapevine, guys that we

774
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: are being prepared not only by the US government since

775
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, but also by great religious leaders such as

776
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: il Popo, that we are that we are going to

777
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: we are being prepared for full disclosure. Finally, after gosh,

778
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: how many how many times have we talked about disclosure?

779
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: At this point, it's going to be anti climactic. I

780
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: feel like civilization has can I say this on air?

781
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: I feel like civilization has been edging on disclosure for

782
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: so long, caare we say, what are we.

783
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: Going to do if the Pope discloses Reptilians the day

784
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: we're recording our episode on Reptilians, We're.

785
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: Gonna have to ask We're gonna have to fuss with

786
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: our schedule and get this published as soon as today. Yeah,

787
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: we'll just have to ride the wave on that one.

788
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: I just want to see the Pope, you know, come

789
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: out on his little patio or whatever to address the

790
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: people and just pull.

791
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: That human mask right off. Wouldn't that be sick? What if?

792
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: What if he comes out? He says? Reptilians are real?

793
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: I am the actual only member of the clergy who

794
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: is still human.

795
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: And the take off their masks and they've got spears.

796
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: Through the glaves. Yeah, where's the Swiss Guard? This goes

797
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: all the way to the top of the peaks of Switzerland.

798
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 3: All right. But if they have like laser guns?

799
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, I love it.

800
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: What kind of smoke do they burn when they make

801
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: that announcement? I do love the smoke signal thing, you know,

802
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: when they love there we go. So why did this idea?

803
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: There's so many shadowy, secret cabal things. Why did this

804
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: idea in particular, get so much attention, gain so much steam. Yeah,

805
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 3: there's human prejudice, but that applies to every single other

806
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: secret group, conspiracy we've talked about. No, you hit on

807
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: something that I think resonates with all of us, which

808
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: is we can't just explain it with human prejudice. We

809
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: have to think about animal prejudice too. People hate and

810
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: fear reptiles on a primal level. Right, you see birds, well,

811
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: depending on where you live, you see birds pretty often. Right,

812
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: you'll run away from them. But if you're walking by

813
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: and you see a snake. There was that time I

814
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: ran away from the chicken because it was chasing. I've

815
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: been in some situations with birds, I get it, but

816
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: you know geese or jerks, right, But generally, I would

817
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: argue most people have a hardwired awareness and caution around

818
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: reptiles like little lizz I think get a pass for

819
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: most people, but after a certain size, even the most

820
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: harmless lizard is gonna give.

821
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: You, right.

822
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's certainly one of the more prevalent phobias.

823
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: My mother was deafly afraid of snakes. You couldn't show

824
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 4: her a rubber snake, You couldn't show her a like

825
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: beaded tapestry depicting a snake like seriously, it would it

826
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 4: would freak her out.

827
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: To no end.

828
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: And it's this primal fear that I think, you know

829
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: comes from a legacy of you know, humans wanting to

830
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: like survive evolution.

831
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you bit me. I learned something so that reptiles

832
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 3: are higher refence.

833
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: I just want to put this outther guy. So, I

834
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: was a known and feared lizard hunter in parts of Clearwater,

835
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Florida when I was a child. I had surprise me

836
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: and I meant business.

837
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: Let the lizards call you cole shop the market.

838
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: No, but I would never kill him. They were just

839
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: so awesome. I would hang out them because they were amazing.

840
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: I had some I had some lizard situations too, man.

841
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: I think snakes are always fascinating because they're one of

842
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: the animals that if you just see it in the wild,

843
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: because so many other successful animals have limbs and tarsals

844
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: and meta tarsals and flangies and all that and thumbs,

845
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: shout out the thumbs. When you see a snake that

846
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: has none of those, you're just like, look at you, buddy,

847
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: how'd you get here? What did you do today? What's

848
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: the rest of your weekend?

849
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: Like how are you a thing? How are you a thing?

850
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: Like what it's like see to giraffe, It's like, I

851
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: understand you're alive. I expect your right to exist, but

852
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: also why and how this? I think? Right? You know,

853
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: fear of lizards in particular is her petiophobia her petiophobia,

854
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: and I do it does seem to be a programmed thing,

855
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: because if we go back pre Blevatski Plevatski and pre

856
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: the Secret Doctrine, we see, you know, snakes showing up

857
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: as a reptile, showing up as givers of wisdom, givers

858
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: of infernal danger and great decisions, deceivers, deceivers right right,

859
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: illusionists in so many different things. There's a great book

860
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: with a really long name from Eye of Newt and

861
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: Toe of frog, adders, Fork and Lizard's Leg The Lore

862
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: and Mythology of Amphibians and Reptiles. It's a very specific book, uh.

863
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: Of frogs and lizard's leg.

864
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's got the cadence and this author, Marty Crump,

865
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 3: also talks about the reptilian conspiracy of today being related

866
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: to the mythology of the Naga from India. Half cobra

867
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: half human creatures. They were thought to be the originator

868
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: of earthquakes and eruptions. They were great powers of the earth,

869
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: which meant, you know, now fast forward a little bit,

870
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: play telephone play folklore, we've got other reptilians who still

871
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 3: control Earth. So it's an interesting evolution of a myth

872
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: if nothing else. Yeah, it is.

873
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: But we've talked about it before, guys. But if there

874
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: was a time is long right long? Or it's been

875
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: around for a long time. There have been many iterations

876
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: of creatures that have existed and then been wiped from

877
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: the face of the Earth. Over and over and over.

878
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: It has happened. Is it any wonder that we have

879
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: these myths about this kind of thing?

880
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't know it.

881
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: It does make me wonder. I'm constantly wondering if there

882
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: was some form of intelligent not maybe not too technological

883
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: advancement stages or things like that, but a highly intelligent

884
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: reptile of some sort that existed in an era way

885
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: before hours, that left something behind that was found a

886
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: long time ago, and it just created some kind of

887
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: I don't spark of another.

888
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: Even yeah, even early human or hominid encounters with reptiles

889
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: that are a little bit too smart. Yeah right, clever girl,

890
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: They say, yeah, millions of Muldoon. Wasn't that his name?

891
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just really I'm every time we're

892
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: thinking about this, my brain goes to places they're just like, man,

893
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: there's gotta be something.

894
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: What was that conversation? Oh everyone, fellow conspiracy realists. If

895
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: you haven't listened yet, check out our episode on probably

896
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: the best ancient civilization hypothesis, the Silurian hypothesis, right, which

897
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: is neck and neck with this or not.

898
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 4: It's not a competition, not neck gek and ghek.

899
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, there we go. It's a gek and ghek.

900
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm still learning English. I apologize. But there's also there

901
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: is no proven case of a human reptile hybrid now,

902
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: not one in all of history, unless it's a big

903
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: cover up. There are things you could say are kind

904
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: of like hybrid, Like we know reptiles existed that had

905
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: some mammalian traits or seemed to be something that was

906
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 3: kind of like a reptile was kind of like a mammal.

907
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: But those are basically extinct or they're as wacky as

908
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: the platypus, which just looks like such a scamp, you

909
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean, what's the platypus up to? What

910
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 3: kind of phineas and ferb there is? But none of

911
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: those things look humanoid. That's that's the issue.

912
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting too? That like what an antithesis to humanity?

913
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 4: The reptile is right in terms of blood works different,

914
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 4: you know, it needs different environments. You know, it has

915
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: this like scaly skin. Sometimes they have venom, they can

916
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 4: regrow their own tails. There's just something uncanny and inhuman

917
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 4: like to the extreme about reptiles.

918
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 3: I think they're super cool.

919
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: To be honest, there are there are also a potentially

920
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: formidable opponent right to advancement of humans, right or a

921
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: real threat.

922
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 3: The ideeah the idea being that if the dice had

923
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: rolled a little bit differently than the role of the

924
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: dominant role of apex predator a Homo sapien would have

925
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: been played by something possibly reptilian, which you know, they're

926
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: the progenitors of the avians. They've been around for quite

927
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: a long time and science still has a lot to

928
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: learn about reptiles. Really fascinating stuff. You know, reptiles do

929
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: have emotions. It was a common stereotype that they did not.

930
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: The ongoing debate is the depth to which they process

931
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: those emotions, because they are, to that earlier point, so

932
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: very different from mammal emotions. But you I'm going to

933
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: tell im, Goanna say don't do this, don't do it

934
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: at home. But it is proven that people can befriend

935
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 3: like alligators, crocodiles, they're puppies. They're ancient swamp puppies. They're

936
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: ancient creatures. They reached what they needed for evolution and

937
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: they just been coasting on it. You know, humans are

938
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 3: the new kids in the game very much so. So okay,

939
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: you might be saying, we've definitely said it. You might

940
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: have said this is neat folklore, right, But why does

941
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: this matter today? Is it just because you guys are

942
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: going to have fun talking about it? A yes? But

943
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: does it teach us something? Yes? That is it also

944
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: teaches something because in recent years here in the United States,

945
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: when propagandists were weaponizing any kind of ideological gait they

946
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 3: could find to get people to move the way these

947
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: propagandists wished, they didn't spare the reptilian conspiracy. They got

948
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: it onto the polls and parts of the United states,

949
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: like I'm voting for this person because they're against lizard people.

950
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 3: They get it. We find we have an honest comptroller

951
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: in Southwestern District of Minnesota that is a made up example.

952
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: All due respect to the great comptrollers of Southwestern Minnesota. Yeah,

953
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: very powerful cabal in their own right. But this, I mean,

954
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: do you guys remember hearing about this like people were

955
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: it was like the early twenty teens.

956
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: I do not remember hearing about this. I remember yesterday

957
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: when I was on Instagram and there were people making

958
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: reels about reptilians and capturing capturing something on camera at

959
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: the met gala or something where somebody's eyes didn't look

960
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: right and it's definitely a confirmed reptile. And it had

961
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of plays and thousands of shares and

962
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: comments and it's now, it's like right now, But back then,

963
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: what was going on?

964
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: Oh back there's a great Vox article by a journalist

965
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: alex Abad Santos in twenty fifteen. This writer noted there

966
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: could be real world consequences when we confuse good stories

967
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: with facts, and especially when it gets weaponized. Right by

968
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: the students of Bernese, I should say the disciples thereof,

969
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: and there's the article is a must read. It's really good.

970
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: It's from twenty fifteen, but it holds up today, and

971
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: pointed out some polling that I had no idea existed.

972
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 4: Oh this is fascinating. Yeah, I really did blow my

973
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 4: mind as well.

974
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: To quote.

975
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 4: Back in April of twenty thirteen, Public Policy Polling conducted

976
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: a poll about conspiracy theories like aliens and imposter Paul

977
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 4: McCartney and of course lizard people, and the polling organization

978
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: found that four percent of Americans believe in lizard people,

979
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: while another seven percent were unsure. Asimulatter taken to its

980
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 4: absurd extreme, that would imply around twelve million Americans.

981
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: Heard the phrase lizard people and said, yeah, sounds about right. Yeah,

982
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: someone's asking the real questions.

983
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm going back to movies from twenty thirteen, guys, just

984
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: to like see what's in the popular mind.

985
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the box office.

986
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's interesting stuff when you look at

987
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: some of the science fiction. That movie Dark Skies came

988
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: out that didn't get a ton of you know show.

989
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: I guess there was a movie about one of Jupiter's

990
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: moons called the Europa Report. That's when after Earth came out,

991
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: Remember that one with when Will Smith?

992
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh no, Will Smith?

993
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay Will Smith's kid yeah, oh yes. And

994
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: isn't Will Smith in it too? Maybe not? Maybe so

995
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but like.

996
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: Just s of There's Game came that year.

997
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: Yep, oh my god, you guys.

998
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: This is a deep cut and I hope you guys

999
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: have seen this.

1000
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: It's a Villa Neov film called Enemy, starring Jake Gillenhall.

1001
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: That movie is entirely about.

1002
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 4: Like it's not it's not reptiles, it's more Iraq knet,

1003
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: but it's definitely there's something going on with humanity that

1004
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: this one guy is trying to get to the bottom of.

1005
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 4: It's a very Lynchian art film, but absolutely doppelganger Freaky City.

1006
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: I highly recommend Enemy.

1007
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: That's also your snow Piercer was was like remade in

1008
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: an American version. There's the Pacific Rim came out that year.

1009
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: Just this, there's a lot of thought going into maybe

1010
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: conspiratorial things up some some group above the.

1011
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 3: Boss University, conspiratorial cosmic corp or sci fi.

1012
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: World war Z, somebody had plans or whatever to take over.

1013
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we we see that this is in the

1014
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: zeikeis twelve million Americans is a lot of people. Yeah,

1015
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: not the biggest demographic in all of the pie slices

1016
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: of the United States, but it's huge. And you can

1017
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: easily find that David Ike's work in particular as ardent proponents,

1018
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: not satirical proponents, but ardent believers in well over forty

1019
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: five countries. Right. Something about this idea seems to resonate

1020
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: with people. And this is the same reason that works

1021
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: like the Secret Doctrine and the myths that got kind

1022
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: of plagiarized to make that book. This is the reason

1023
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: they were all so popular in their day.

1024
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, quickly, guys, some of the myths that are

1025
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: a part of the Secret Doctrine, specifically the second book

1026
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: in that series. Because she only wrote two. There's a

1027
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: third one that's written by somebody else, and then a

1028
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: fourth one that's like a compendium of all of them.

1029
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: It becomes kind of like Lovecrafty and mythos again when

1030
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: the authors pass around the story and add their own

1031
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: avocado to the thing.

1032
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and like you said, it goes back to

1033
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: other myths, right. But then Blovatski's another person who said

1034
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: she read this one book and she was doing meditations,

1035
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: and she was again almost a message was being channeled

1036
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: through her. That becomes what is known as the Secret Doctrine.

1037
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: But in that there is this concept that these serpents

1038
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: of wisdom, these great dragons, whatever all this stuff is,

1039
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: they they are a group of some form of creature

1040
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: that uses serpents to describe them, right, that live underground.

1041
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: They live in subterranean areas, at least according to Bolovatski

1042
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: and whatever she you know, whatever information she's going on,

1043
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: they live underneath some type of pyramidal structures. So if

1044
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: we blow this out and imagine this thing, this concept, right,

1045
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: think about the ancient pyramids that exist across the planet,

1046
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: Like literally in every continent there are pyramidal structures.

1047
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: Or just mountains that look like pyramids.

1048
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but in many cases they are they are

1049
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: man made rtures. This concept that this is where I

1050
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: was taking it, guys, this concept that there was some

1051
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: ancient humanoid creatures that were very smart and intelligent that

1052
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: survived whatever apocalypse occurred by going underground. And the humans

1053
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: either created these pyramid structures to you know, keep them

1054
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: down there or to you know, whatever it is, to

1055
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: protect themselves from these creatures. Right then, then I imagined

1056
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: all of the ultra wealthy people that exist now that

1057
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: will survive whatever apocalypse comes that we're going to experience

1058
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: at some point in the next several thousand years, because

1059
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's time again for another one of those

1060
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: they will They may be the only humanoids quote unquote

1061
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: that survive because they go underground again.

1062
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

1063
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: And it just made me think about, well, if there

1064
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: was some type of intelligent reptilian thing that survived the

1065
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: last great destruction, that would probably be how they would do.

1066
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: It, and probably be a maritime There's a great book,

1067
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: oh gosh, what's his name, Neil Stevenson. It's called Seven Eves.

1068
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 3: It's never going to be adapted, but it absolutely should.

1069
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: It struggles with that same question, like who survives in

1070
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 3: a world ending event? This is not even this is

1071
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 3: just how weirdly high stakes the book is. The first

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Speaker 3: sentence is something like, all at once, for no reason,

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Speaker 3: the moon blew apart, and then it talks about how

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Speaker 3: fragments of the moon fall down to Earth and people,

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Speaker 3: enormously wealthy people, governments, religious leaders all try to survive

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Speaker 3: and figure out where they would go. So I think

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Speaker 3: this is Oh gosh, I've derailed us. This is just

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Speaker 3: an excuse for me to talk about how I love

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Speaker 3: that freaking book.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just a thought experiment, right, I guess, is

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, all of that stuff, even that's

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Speaker 2: included in the Secret Doctrine, to me, sounds like a

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01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: thought experiment that is interesting to apply to the future

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Speaker 2: rather than and even back then.

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Speaker 3: Because this is another thing. I'm glad you're bringing that up.

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: We have to be careful when we're saying there is

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01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 3: no objective proof about something, because if we are interrogating

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Speaker 3: this in the realm of folklore, then we have to

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 3: realize the important thing is it's meant to teach us

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: a lesson, something to take with us when situations like

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Speaker 3: this occur. Right, the specific characteristics of a boogeyman in

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01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: the woods might not be real, but it does teach

1093
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: you the woods are dangerous, you know what I mean.

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily malevolent or drifting. I mean, it

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: also shows us these ideas do not have to be

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: true to have real world effects. And a lot of times,

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Speaker 3: especially when this was kind of weaponized in US elections,

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01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: the people who are weaponizing these stories and trying to

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: get you to do stuff. They don't care whether or

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Speaker 3: not the story is true. It's just an ideological door

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: to get you to move in footstep with what they

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01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 3: actually want, whatever that real conspiracy may be. That's the

1103
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: thing we have to pay attention to, not what the

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: right hand is waving, but what the left hand is

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01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: holding behind its back. I'm getting too weird with the

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: similes analogies. I don't know. Maybe I'm becoming a lizard person.

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01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever wonder if you're definitely become strange

1108
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: that it becomes strang? Yes, I should have just texted

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01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: you that instead of saying I couldn't make it to

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Speaker 3: hang out you. Oh, you're right, We've got to bring

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 3: that back. No, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate you you consistently referring to this as folkloric.

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 4: You know, in nature, we feel that way in terms

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Speaker 4: of a lot of these kinds of stories. You know,

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Speaker 4: whether there's a grain of truth to them or not,

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 4: the life that they take on beyond whatever that grain

1117
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: is ends up becoming the thing that captures people's imaginations.

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 4: But I really like the idea of this as kind

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01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 4: of a parable for how power is kind of manifested,

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 4: you know, and passed on and just this knee to

1121
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 4: believe there's some nefarious force other than just the nefarious

1122
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: force is inherent and being a human that are causing

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: the bad things to happen to us in the world.

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 4: I think it's natural to want to, you know, blame

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01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 4: something on that that is outside of ourselves. But at

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01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I think people are just

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: as capable of evil stuff as weird alien reptiles.

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Speaker 2: Well, it almost speaks to the desire of power as

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: being some infectious thing that's handed down that isn't actually

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: exactly a part of what we are or could be

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: or should be, right, just that the desire to seize

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01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: power and then hold it is outside of us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's this there's one thing we have to

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01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: end on, like before we get to it, the penultimate

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: thing you're wondering, am I a lizard person? With? Thanks

1136
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: to the journalist Philip Bump, there is a that example

1137
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 3: of a quick quiz you can give yourself and Matt Noll,

1138
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 3: who we're playing with this a little bit off air,

1139
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: would you be comfortable giving your answers to this brief quiz.

1140
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, Here is a list of clues that

1141
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: you or someone you know, maybe a lizard person. Do

1142
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: they or you have? Number one green eyes? I do not.

1143
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: Does hazel count is I'm gonna.

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01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 3: Put it as a point five? Okay, al you I'm

1145
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: the wrong person to ask. Unfortunately, no other green or okay,

1146
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: check green eyes? All right, h I'll have to put

1147
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 3: in the file. I didn't know. Number two. Do you

1148
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: have good eyesight or hearing? Excellent eyesights and hearing.

1149
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: A terrible eyesight, good hearing?

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'm putting you both as a yes

1151
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 3: for that one. Three red hair? God crap. You know

1152
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: what's funny?

1153
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 4: You know I did used to have some red in

1154
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: my beard, which is sinsterned white. But for a time

1155
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 4: I had a little red streak in my beard. Can

1156
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: I get a point five on that one?

1157
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, you've got a point five.

1158
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: I'll take a one point five.

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 3: Yes, this is my favorite one. By the way. The

1160
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: next one is so it's so pointed. Do you have

1161
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 3: a sense of not belonging to the human race? Absolutely?

1162
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 3: Damn it. I mean Zoom would want to be in

1163
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: that club, you know what I mean? I don't blame you. Uh, okay,

1164
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: five unexplained scars on the body or are you just

1165
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 3: not cool? I got a couple of weird ones. I

1166
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: feel like it's normal to have unexplained scars. Do we

1167
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: remember every time we got a booboo when we were

1168
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: a little kid?

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: Is that like regenerated limbs and stuff? Is that we're

1170
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 2: talking about?

1171
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 3: I cut you know. I was trying to find I

1172
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: was going through Mysteries of the Unknown, fantastic series available

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 3: on eBay, I guess, and I was trying to find

1174
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: a longer quiz that had questions like do you find

1175
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: yourself fascinated by thunderstorms? Who is not fascinated by thunderstorms?

1176
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: I mean your own eyeball?

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 2: Do you prefer the taste of small rodents?

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: Do you have extra vertebrate? Was one of the things,

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: and just a couple, just just a couple, that's one

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01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: of the things. Yeah, oh check, okay, okay, uh, it

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01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: is common to have extra vertebrate? Yeah, do you have?

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 3: Some of these are such bs? Do you have a

1183
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 3: love of space? I know, I know a couple people

1184
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 3: who actually hate space, and I think that's such an

1185
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 3: interesting perspective really, I mean, it's terrifying, but it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 3: Well they're rightly saying, maybe we should fix Earth. You

1188
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean we have Yeah, well they're like,

1189
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 3: we have problems at home. Why are we trying to

1190
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 3: make problems in orbit?

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01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 4: You know, technically space holds our planet up. Yeah, in

1192
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 4: some way shape or form seven. Do you have low

1193
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 4: blood pressure?

1194
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think so. Sometimes pressure is normal. Pull

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01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 3: my charts. That's our big takeaway. We're not debunking the

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: reptilian conspiracy, fellow conspiracy realists. We're telling you it could

1197
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: be anybody. Mm hmm. You are listen person, please please

1198
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 3: please contact us right in and if you are a

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 3: lizard person hearing this, just to be completely clear, we

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: will sell out immediately. Just get in touch with us.

1201
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: We're on your side, team Lizard. Let us know, you know,

1202
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: get us, get us in the pyramid. We know which

1203
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: side our bread is buttered or yeah?

1204
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: Or are you team Nordic. That's a whole other type

1205
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 2: of aliens.

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Speaker 5: A little Nazi for me, yeah, a little bit, A

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 5: little bit, yeah, a little bit, but all all jokes

1208
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 5: and truths disguised is just a side we would love

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 5: to hear from you.

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,040
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1215
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: Facebook, or we have our Facebook group.

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,720
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Speaker 4: video content rolling out every single week, and x fka Twitter,

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Speaker 4: where things also happen.

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Speaker 3: and as a matter of fact, we owe some of

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