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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the sixth episode of IT,

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Speaker 3: News on Saturday. In today's episode, it's time, guys, It's it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Darry episode one oh six. And if you

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Speaker 3: were worried there wasn't enough penny Wise in the show

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Speaker 3: and you weren't getting enough penny Wise law, well guess what.

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Speaker 3: There's some shocking clown action and some twists in another

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Speaker 3: fantastic episode of it Welcome to Derek.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive into it it Welcome to Darry Episode six,

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Speaker 1: Fatal Decision. We open with a flashback to Juniper Hill

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five. A nurse wakes one of the poor

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Speaker 1: and takes her down to the basement. The child, named Mabel,

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Speaker 1: is very, very scared. They go down there and Mabel's like,

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Speaker 1: this is where the clown told me to come to

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Speaker 1: meet him, and we see a balloon floating and then

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Speaker 1: the clown grasps the string of the plume and there

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Speaker 1: he is. We got our base. Will is getting yelled

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Speaker 1: at by Leroy, his father, and Leroy is like, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, Charlotte, stay out of it, because you

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Speaker 1: don't know what it was like down there and the sewer.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy. You're seeing stuff that's like your deepest fears,

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Speaker 1: but it's also real and now Russo is dead and

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Will is like, I know what the

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Speaker 1: I can help you. We have to destroy it, and

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Speaker 1: I have to help my friends destroy it. And Lero's like, well,

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Speaker 1: it can't get you if you're not in Derry. Since

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Speaker 1: you're on the base, you're safe here and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be more like me and like listen and follow orders

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And Will's like, yeah, well I'm not like

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Speaker 1: you because I wouldn't let my friends die, which he's like,

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Speaker 3: Whatly extremely like deep thing to say, like I get it,

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Speaker 3: but also come on, so Leroy.

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Speaker 1: Slaps will and listen. I am not in any way

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Speaker 1: arguing that children should be struck. But this is nineteen

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Speaker 3: Through ninety two, my mom would have been slapped a.

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Speaker 1: Bag in the head. I'm getting slapped in the fucking face.

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Speaker 3: It's clear that that is a big deal in their

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Speaker 3: it feel like you've got to find him. He escaped,

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Speaker 3: He's dangerous. Ronnie has one of the posters at the

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Speaker 3: which I gotta say, we were right. Lily should never

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Speaker 3: almost instantly. Lily says, like, whatever it is, Pennywise doesn't

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Speaker 1: Dick goes back to the new clubhouse the Airman's Club.

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Speaker 3: It's gross, and he comes up with his little life,

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Speaker 3: things up with Will, my friend. Like that's what matters.

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Speaker 3: It is coming for them. But Richie gives Marge one

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Speaker 3: She's like living it up. And then Patty and the

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Speaker 1: Queen's super producer, Carmen, to talk about this episode.

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Speaker 3: And we're back.

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Speaker 1: Carmen, Welcome, Hello, How are y'all? And we're doing great?

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this episode?

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about this episode.

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Speaker 4: I love that the Okay, first of all, huge twist

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Speaker 4: This felt great because when we were watching Alien Earth,

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Speaker 3: And you get your Ingrid as important.

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Speaker 4: I love that the show continues to be about I mean,

429
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Speaker 4: not only are we seeing the continued theme of children

430
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Speaker 4: in danger here, but we're also seeing that continued theme

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Speaker 4: of just not being able to trust your eyes and

432
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Speaker 4: not being able to trust adults especially, and things like that.

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Speaker 4: I also love the uh you know over in the

434
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Speaker 4: black Spot. I guess is that officially what it's called.

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Speaker 6: I think it might be official officially what it's called,

436
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 6: because that is a canon event that did happen in Dairy,

437
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 6: that the black Spot was burnt down.

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Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, even though we're calling it the

439
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Speaker 3: Emmons Bar, I think we're colloquially understanding that it.

440
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Speaker 4: Is yes, very centers coded. Loving that, although I do

441
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Speaker 4: have to say, like, you know, I love Charlotte. I

442
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: love that Charlotte is continually one of these characters that

443
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Speaker 4: is getting things done and actually standing up for like

444
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Speaker 4: what she believes in. However, I just feel like Charlotte

445
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: needs to be moving a little bit faster with her

446
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Speaker 4: plan here.

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Speaker 3: I agree, I'm out straight away, you have to wait

448
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Speaker 3: the next night, like.

449
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Speaker 4: This is a.

450
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Speaker 1: This plan is so, I mean, it's up there with

451
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Speaker 1: the ki it's taking like three xanexes and heading down

452
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Speaker 1: to the sewers.

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Speaker 3: It is cocking and somehow.

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Speaker 4: You're you're in Maine, You're so close to Canada, just

455
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Speaker 4: taking a day trip.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm across the border. Now, why do you leave

457
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Speaker 1: him in a in a bustling club with like dozens

458
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Speaker 1: and dozens of people inside coming and going.

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Speaker 3: Dane jaw as we are about I'm sure see.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte though she's her, but it's crazy common.

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Speaker 1: How are your feelings?

462
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Speaker 3: Talk a little bit more about Ingrid and her and

463
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Speaker 3: her female clowning, because that is definitely a new addition here.

464
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Speaker 3: That's very creepy and expanding.

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Speaker 4: We're expanding the lore here, which I love. And yeah,

466
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Speaker 4: I do think that Ingrid's clown character is a very

467
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: interesting you know, I've seen a lot of female like

468
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 4: gender swapped Pennywises. I've never really seen like a different

469
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: kind of uh take entirely on on the spooky clown,

470
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: but this one's fun. I love the bell I love this.

471
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Speaker 4: She has the bells on the ends of her hair.

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Speaker 3: She's too much, man, I know. I'm like, are we

473
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Speaker 3: going to get to see her in Penny Wise Team up?

474
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Speaker 3: Or do you think it's gonna be. I want to

475
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Speaker 3: see immediately like eats her head, what.

476
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Speaker 4: Is the fusion from Dragon ball Z. I want to

477
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Speaker 4: see them do like a usion in a moment, like come.

478
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Speaker 3: Together as one. Penny Wise. Yes, I'm hoping, Lynden, I was.

479
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: I was really dreaming that Lily would be able to

480
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: defeat Ingrid as some kind of get back. But we

481
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Speaker 3: know she survives, or at least maybe she's a ghost,

482
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Speaker 3: I guess because we never really die and Dairy, that's

483
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Speaker 3: what she said.

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Speaker 4: That's the challenging thing about like, you know, watching this

485
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Speaker 4: is like, Okay, I'm having a lot of fun watching this,

486
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: but I just know that like nobody's gonna last. You know,

487
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: everyone's going to die. And that is sad to think about, because.

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Speaker 3: Now, how does the show deal with that? Jason, how

489
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: does a prequel keep us engaged when we know what's question?

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me that what we are seeing

491
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Speaker 1: at this stage of penny Wise is a penny Wise

492
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: that is one clearly constrained he can't venture outside of

493
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Speaker 1: his pen without the help of a human, and very

494
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: clearly he glombed onto Ingrid and somehow Ingrid's using Ingrid's

495
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: dad like as a as a as a doppelganger to

496
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: trick her into helping him somehow. And I think that.

497
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Speaker 4: Is what.

498
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: So in terms of defeat, because I think it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's something we did mention, we were worried about, like

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Speaker 1: how do you keep Pennywise scary when he keeps getting

501
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: beaten by kids? I think that whatever the defeat, you know,

502
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: whatever the defeat is here, it's going to be around him.

503
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: And this particular stage of Pennywise, this isn't a fully

504
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: freed penny Like at some point Pennywise is freed, right,

505
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: he breaks free in between this version of Pennywise and

506
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: the IT version, like something happens very clearly. Yeah, So

507
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Speaker 1: I he's going to be defeated, but it's going to

508
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: be a defeat of a weakened Pennywise. And I think

509
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: that hopefully will make a difference in not you know,

510
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: not kneecapping a very scary character.

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Speaker 3: I think you make a great point. And I also

512
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Speaker 3: there was a line that I think was really interesting

513
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Speaker 3: that Ingrid says where she says, and I did what

514
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Speaker 3: I had to do to see him again, And I

515
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Speaker 3: think that means she's been feeding him kids from getting

516
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Speaker 3: which I think him could maybe see about more of

517
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Speaker 3: that complicity, and who keeps penny Wise alive, who empowers him,

518
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: who frees him? And I'm assuming that the military is

519
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: going to be to blame for the reason that Pennywise

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Speaker 3: is not truly contained by the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yes.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get flashbacks like to the to

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Speaker 1: the the movie Massacre for instance, where we what we

524
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: discover is Pennywise is creating these images, but what's happening

525
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: in reality is Ingrid is grabbing these kids and dragging

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Speaker 1: them to the sewers bodily somehow.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. That's why, Yeah, exactly. I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: really brutal. And I think that.

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Speaker 4: She's the henchman exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think she's Pennywise as henchmen. And I think we're

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Speaker 3: gonna need to learn that, like any true villain, Pennywise

532
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Speaker 3: needs support, a support network, you know, he needs a henschiet.

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Speaker 3: And I'm excited to see the two of them together

534
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Speaker 3: because I think that's gonna be really creepy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, agreed. I'm excited to see how they're going

536
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Speaker 4: to interact with one another how Pennywise may manipulate her

537
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: or vice versa. I want to know what the play

538
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Speaker 4: is there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm nervous about the next episode.

540
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Speaker 3: I feel like, with where it's going, the show really

541
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Speaker 3: needs to have the juice. And I'm excited that Joel

542
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: will be back to talk about us with it because

543
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: I feel like where it's going, there's only bad options

544
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Speaker 3: that fit in with the show. So we need to

545
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Speaker 3: see if they've got the juice to deal with it

546
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Speaker 3: and not go the full on like trauma model and

547
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Speaker 3: instead actually, you know, deal with the horrors of what's

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Speaker 3: happening in Derry. But I'll be interested to see, and

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Speaker 3: I think so far, I believe enough in the show.

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Speaker 3: I think they're doing interesting stuff, even though it does

551
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Speaker 3: have all these kind of you know, horror movie plot

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Speaker 3: holes as should some may call them, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, right, No, Ingrid, It's definitely Ingrid right who snitched

554
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Speaker 1: on Hank?

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Speaker 3: I definitely, I definitely think that was always part of.

556
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Speaker 4: Her Yeah, yeah, yeah.

557
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Speaker 1: Because she knows that this will stir up more chaos.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I did this episode is really

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Speaker 1: paid attention to the credits, and it seems like what

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Speaker 1: you're Those credits depict chaos in dairy over the years,

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Speaker 1: and I think that Pennywise is feeding on disorder, on

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Speaker 1: bad feelings on Leach mods. Yes, he needs this, and

563
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Speaker 1: so I think that Ingland has helped him set in

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Speaker 1: motion this kind of like grand like mass murder potentially

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Speaker 1: that that might happen in the next episode, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's exactly what penny Wise, Yes, he's hoping for.

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Speaker 3: He's definitely arranging these things because he feeds on chaos

568
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: and fear and hatred. So I'm interested to see how

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Speaker 3: that expands out. And I would love if this and

570
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: plur are both somehow both end with a new clip

571
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: bomb involved. I kind of love how many. It's gonna

572
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: be really fun to look over the the year as

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Speaker 3: it's been in TV and film because there's been so

574
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Speaker 3: many interesting uh atomics. Yeah, it's like Ian was like,

575
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: you know, fear, disordering, chaos is like MSG for Pennywise

576
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: makes everything taste better. Absolutely agreed.

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Speaker 1: It's let me ask you this, could you just like

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Speaker 1: not be scared of Pennywise, Like what if I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Well, I flary with that's the theory with Leroy, but.

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Speaker 3: They out a way to scare him. I wonder if, like,

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Speaker 3: is it like a Friday? Is it like Freddy Krueger

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00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: in the first movie, You're just like, I'm not scared

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Speaker 3: of you, You're just you're just the dumb clown. Like

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Speaker 3: does that work?

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering. But I think what I think

586
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: what we're learning is that penny Wise, you taste better

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00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: when you're scared, but he's gonna eat you anyway.

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00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: I think that's a good lie. Like that's a good line,

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Speaker 3: like right.

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Speaker 1: Scramble eggs without without uh, without sauce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you wire spice, Wow, common. It's going to

592
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: be a really incredible final few episodes. Anything you really

593
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Speaker 3: want to see or explore as the show goes on.

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Speaker 4: Man, I you know, I was really sad to learn

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Speaker 4: that Ingrid is not an adult that could be trusted.

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Speaker 4: So I would love, I guess, at least one adult

597
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Speaker 4: to be an adult that could be trusted. And I

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Speaker 4: don't want things to necessarily become two stranger things coded necessarily.

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Speaker 4: I know that it's like a feedback loop where stranger

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Speaker 4: Things is influenced by this and vice versa, but I

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Speaker 4: would love I know this sounds crazy, But I would

602
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Speaker 4: love for for than is it Taniel. I would love

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Speaker 4: I would love for him in some way to kind

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Speaker 4: of become like the babysitter, like maybe just like looking

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: at Leader, Yeah, a little bit. I know that they're

606
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 4: not connected in any way yet.

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Speaker 1: But well, one thing we've seen is that Rose sent

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Speaker 1: Tenniel to do something specific down there, and we don't

609
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: really know what that is yet exact. So there's they

610
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: clearly have a plan that we don't quite understand, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's to kill Pennywise or to

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: even to lock him in an even smaller type of enclosure.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm most interested in h because is yeah,

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00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: what does the government want with him to Like are

615
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: they dumb enough to just put him in a missile?

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Speaker 3: Because that would be so fun. Like I do want

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Speaker 3: them to do that to a point, but I would

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Speaker 3: love that, but I know it's silly. So, like, I meanistically,

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Speaker 3: what is their weapon? I don't know the credits.

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Speaker 4: He's the as we said, the opening credits of tease

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Speaker 4: things that have been happening in the show, and one

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Speaker 4: of the big things that shows is an atomic bomb scenario.

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Speaker 4: So very curious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, We're gonna keep covering it. Welcome to Darius.

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Speaker 1: It moves to its conclusion, and as the weeks move on,

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue to cover stuff like the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five Game Awards. Friday, we're breaking down the first

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Speaker 1: chapter Stranger Things Chapter five, and that's it for this episode.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Ceps Young

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Speaker 1: and Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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