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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. And I'm not alone with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.

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Speaker 6: And with us is everybody.

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Speaker 7: It's John Ley Brodney, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the

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Speaker 7: Potter Rebellion. And today we are going over season two,

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Speaker 7: episode four of the Old Republic and the words of

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Speaker 7: how's everybody doing? This is a fun episode. Let me

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Speaker 7: So there's a lot that happens in this episode. So

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Speaker 7: So Star Wars Rebel Season two, Episode four, Relics of

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Speaker 6: I was probably picking out my Halloween costume that year.

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Speaker 7: That reminded me of this Western movie, one of my

440
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 7: favorite movies called Shane. I don't know if you're familiar

441
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Speaker 7: with it, because remember in the end, it's like, Shane

442
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 7: come back. But as you know Shane, Okay, this movie

443
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 7: came out a long time while.

444
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 6: Shane and Shane comes back.

445
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 7: But in this case, Shane does come back because Shane

446
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 7: leaves in the movie because he doesn't want the boy

447
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 7: to see him on his last mission or whatever. In

448
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 7: this case, he flips it on a ten, like, no,

449
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 7: We're going to come back and save these guys. Because again,

450
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 7: Star Wars is rooted in Western and Samurai movies. So

451
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 7: I just immediately thought of the movie Shane, probably because

452
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 7: I always think of the movie Shane, but I particularly

453
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 7: thought of it when they came back, and I thought

454
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 7: that was really cool and and and a very big

455
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Speaker 7: growth moment for Canaan, even though he's kind of in

456
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 7: denial of the growth and it's probably scary to him

457
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 7: that he would lean into it. But yeah, I love

458
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 7: that line too, because it's very much a Freddy line.

459
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 7: Yeah in any ways too.

460
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Speaker 2: But also like this from the last episode into this episode,

461
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Speaker 2: where we keep seeing Canaan's sort of internal struggle not

462
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Speaker 2: just with like is he going to get on board

463
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: with these clones, but also them sort of recognizing him

464
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: as a general or like a military commander and him

465
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Speaker 2: rejecting that and not feeling worthy, which we've you know,

466
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Speaker 2: in season one, we kind of got got some of that,

467
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: like got got to know that part, that side of

468
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: Canaan and just that like through this battle sequence and

469
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: through this he sort of I feel like when he

470
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: says I always trust my general, the.

471
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Speaker 3: Reaction and this is like animation, guys.

472
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Speaker 2: And you can see the nuance of his reaction being

473
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: different than his reaction in the last episode when I

474
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: forget which clone says something about him being in command,

475
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: He's like, I know, do you remember that he says,

476
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: like rejects, rejects the suggestion that he would be in charge,

477
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm no, blah blah blah.

478
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 3: And then this time he kind of softens to it.

479
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: I guess he's still not like on board, you can tell,

480
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: but just in that moment, that brief moment where he

481
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: receives that and he like chooses to not protest, and

482
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Speaker 2: I thought that was really a telling moment and also

483
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: like animated and you get all of that from just

484
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: like a brief facial expression and a brief like glance.

485
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Speaker 5: It's really that's something I wrote down as a question

486
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Speaker 5: to you guys, And if we're not giving JC that

487
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 5: much fact checking.

488
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Speaker 6: I'm curious.

489
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 5: Serious, I'm curious of him weighing on this as well,

490
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 5: because it started as very solutistically. I was trying to

491
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 5: figure out why I watching part of this episode, I

492
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I think I prefer this story being

493
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: told in animation right now. And there are moments when

494
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 5: I'm watching this show and I'm like, dang, it'd be

495
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 5: cool to see this in live action.

496
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 6: Why there?

497
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: I have friends who they would prefer almost everything to

498
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 5: be animated, and then other friends who who have never

499
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 5: seen anything animated in their life. Why we why anyone

500
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 5: prefers animation at times or live action? Like I'm just

501
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 5: I was trying to figure out myself, like there's certain

502
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 5: things I'm like, oh, I like watching that animated and

503
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 5: then the rest not, but I don't. I, as a

504
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: fairly reflective person, I couldn't figure out exactly why. And

505
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: I was curious with you guys, what when you prefer

506
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: animation and when you prefer live action.

507
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 9: Or why?

508
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: I to be honest with you, I always prefer live action.

509
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: No, I don't actually think that.

510
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: I I think, well, I've also not thought of this

511
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: before until you've just closed this question. But as I'm

512
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: thinking about it, it occurs to me that I think

513
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: that I just accept what it is, like, meaning if

514
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm watching live action it's live action and watching animation,

515
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't I don't ever go, oh, I wish this

516
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: was live action, because I just sort of I accept

517
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: what it is and I watch it for that.

518
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

519
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: Does that I don't know if I'm articulating myself well here,

520
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: but I've never I've never wished one was the other.

521
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 6: I suppose sure?

522
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: Does that?

523
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: Is that?

524
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 5: Yeah? Like for example, finding Nemo, never want to see

525
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 5: that live action? Well, it's so perfectly that to me.

526
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 5: And then there are other things like Jungle Book. I'm like,

527
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 5: that's kind of I kind of want to see some

528
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 5: of like be in the Jungle, you know what I mean.

529
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Speaker 6: But I don't know, Like I asked the question because

530
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 6: I have zero I'm curious with what you guys think.

531
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Speaker 4: I'm aware of production and cost sometimes.

532
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 6: Where I'm like.

533
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that would be far too impractical.

534
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 4: No, but I'm like, those are the thoughts I have.

535
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I was like, well, thank god this is animation, because

536
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: if they try to do this live action, I mean,

537
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: my god, this yeah, you know, like, oh wow, I'm

538
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: glad they did this live action. Because they did this animation,

539
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: I can see them, you know, I mean brain hemorhages,

540
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: like how are we going to make this word?

541
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Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. I don't I think, I don't. I

542
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: don't yearn to see it differently. I'm just thinking.

543
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I think I just think like, oh, thank god it's

544
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Speaker 1: this and not that, you know, or if it were that,

545
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: it would be Oh man, I wonder how they'd even

546
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: do that. And then I go back to a lot

547
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: of just mumbling. Definitely by the way, I have you

548
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: like sorry to you, go ahead.

549
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Speaker 8: Do you?

550
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Speaker 3: I was just I was just going to say that.

551
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Speaker 2: I'm also kind of I don't know if anyone else

552
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: listening is the same, but I'm also like precious about

553
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: things I really love. And it's also probably especially from

554
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: like things from my childhood, so like you know that

555
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: nineteen when did the Jungle Book that animated the Jungle

556
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Book come out? Like in the sixties maybe sixties or

557
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: seventies before I was alive, but I grew up watching

558
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: that jungle Book, so you know, when there was a

559
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: new like a live action jungle Book, I was like,

560
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. That jungle Book is so good, it's

561
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: so perfect, and like similarly Aladdin, one of my favorite

562
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: animated things of all time, I was, I was reluctant

563
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: to accept there be you know. So I guess it's

564
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: also just me being precious about things that I really

565
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: love and really care about and not wanting to see

566
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: that either.

567
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 6: You know, I just.

568
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: Not wanting to see anyone screw up.

569
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: I guess now that thing, and John, I want to

570
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 5: hear your answer in Jc's I'm thinking. I'm thinking why

571
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: I like sort of things like if it is political,

572
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: or if it is if it is mirroring our world

573
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 5: in a way that I think it's a beautiful message.

574
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Speaker 6: I don't mind it.

575
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: I like it existing in a fantasy world or animation

576
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 5: like Lord of the Rings or Stars.

577
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 6: Something that's mirroring our world.

578
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 5: But the message isn't too familiar is it coming through

579
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: familiar things like an actor we know or you know

580
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 5: what I mean, a face that feels too real exactly

581
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 5: like animated. Also, like some comedies like The Simpsons, the

582
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 5: absurdity can be there in a joke because it is there.

583
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 5: But then if it's marriage story, for example, I want

584
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 5: it to be these people that I can really connect

585
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: with that I'm like, oh my god, I feel that

586
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: just the way they look off right now.

587
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: I feel that so much.

588
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 5: So whereas I don't like, I guess in big ideas,

589
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: I do enjoy it in animation whatnot, and then some

590
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: small or more human ideas. Maybe I don't know, that's

591
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: just a thought. But John, what do you think?

592
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's because you know, between the three of you

593
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 7: kind of I don't know if there's not one, you know,

594
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 7: lateral answer obviously or maybe Jac. If anyone does has

595
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 7: the answer, it's probably JC. But I think you all

596
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 7: kind of answer the question. So I've talked to many

597
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 7: directors in my time and animated, live action and Vanessa

598
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 7: to your point, when you come to live action, there's

599
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 7: so many restrictions, like there's so many people telling you no,

600
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 7: you can't do this or you can't say this. If

601
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 7: you watch like a Miyazaki movie or Mamudo Hozada who

602
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 7: did Wolf Children, there are certain messages you can have

603
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 7: in those films you can't have in live action, and

604
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 7: you tell it through the metaphor like buoying the hair

605
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 7: on or Ponio or you know, or a princess Mononoke.

606
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 7: You do think the metaphor of these like mythological creatures.

607
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 7: And I think that's to your point, Taylor, when you

608
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 7: have those sort of messaging, so it's not beating people

609
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 7: over the head with it, I feel like animation kind

610
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 7: of almost softens the blow but doesn't soften the impact

611
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 7: of the message. So I feel like you just have

612
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 7: more creative freedom as a storyteller. I think a lot

613
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 7: of times with animation, I mean, I'll I'll die in

614
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 7: this hill. That to me, the best Batman movie ever

615
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 7: is Batman Mask of the Phantasm, all the animated series,

616
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 7: when Bruce Timpauldini did Batman and when the grelat great

617
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 7: Kevin Conwar, who I think is the best Batman Bruce

618
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 7: Wayne to ever do it. And Vanessa Yorke's closely with

619
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 7: I know you worked with Kevin over the years. The

620
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 7: stories they told in animated series, those are the stories

621
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 7: I wish they would tell in live action, you know,

622
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 7: but they overcomplicated on the live action side, or even

623
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 7: when you did Injustice Vanessa, like that story of Injustice

624
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 7: Too was the best Justice League story I've ever seen.

625
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think it's just there are certain things

626
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 7: with animation. I think this is why a lot of

627
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 7: people consider Star Wars er brals peak Star Wars is.

628
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 7: I feel like there are certain things they could do

629
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 7: with the storytelling there that may have been too many restrictions,

630
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 7: or they gotta follow Cannon, they gotta follow this with

631
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 7: the live action. I feel like that's for animation really shines.

632
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 7: But then a movie like Past Lives from Selene's Song,

633
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 7: I don't know if that would work as an animated movie.

634
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 7: You know that that works because you have these human stories.

635
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 7: So it's and back to your point, T, I think

636
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 7: you're just a very present viewer of this is what

637
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 7: it is. And am I interested by these characters? Am

638
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: I interested by the story? And if it happens to

639
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 7: me in this form, cool? And if I'm not interested,

640
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 7: then it just happens that it was an animated series.

641
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's the healthiest I'm like trying to change

642
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 5: in Oh no, I want this, I want that. That's

643
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 5: that's a healthy philosophy, it is what it is.

644
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: It is what it is. By the way, that's one

645
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: of my least favorite sayings. It is what it is. Yeah,

646
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: there more than it is what it is. But in

647
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: this case, it is what it is. And I either yeah,

648
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: maybe I either like it or I don't.

649
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: But I guess I've never It's never occurred to me

650
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: to wish it was in a different format, you know

651
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: what I mean. I do sometimes see like a live

652
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: action version of an animated thing that I care deeply about,

653
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: and what do you think about that? And I decided, no,

654
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: in fact, it should not have been made live action.

655
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: They should have just stuck with, you know, what worked

656
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: and what was beautiful and perfect. And but you know,

657
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: Hollywood loves a remake, loves to recycle, you know, so

658
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: I doctor, that's a whole nother conversation.

659
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: But but I.

660
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: Think it's a you know, it's just a evidence of

661
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: a curious mind, Taylor, that you are actively thinking, like, oh, this,

662
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: this would be cool if it was animated.

663
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the best because you're looking at people.

664
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 6: You're like, that'd be cool if there's just nice.

665
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 9: But yeah, if this was better, I would like it.

666
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 7: But it is what it is, So there I go, there,

667
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 7: go ahead.

668
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: I just had one more thought on the like Canaan

669
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: not fully embracing when once we saved him or you

670
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: guys did uh, they salute him and he just nods

671
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: like that's more than the last episode.

672
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: But that's all he could do with them, salute them

673
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: as well. But also, I.

674
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Don't know if you had this experience watching this this time.

675
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: You know we're doing a rewatch, but I don't remember

676
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: having such a repertoire with Chopper, like well, that's not

677
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: going to be any slower than you normally do, or

678
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I loved it, it was so but what's weird is

679
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: like I'm like, oh, that's so awesome that she's like,

680
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: get on it.

681
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: I don't remember any of that.

682
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Maybe because maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue,

683
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's easier to remember our scenes because we

684
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: were doing them opposite each other. We were interacting, acting, interacting,

685
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: whereas those lines you just delivered to the void, you know,

686
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: and there was no actual dialogue.

687
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: That's very true, because I remember interactions and I remember

688
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 5: feeling it awesome one and I really don't remember the

689
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: things that were just one awful lines.

690
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: I was amazed, like, I thought it was really funny.

691
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 6: Was really yeah.

692
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: I was delighted by the interaction. And You're kind of

693
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: just like grumble grumble, and he's like, you know, it's

694
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: when he groaned off. He was like, I guess because

695
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he was doing. I was just

696
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: sort of acting into a void. That's probably you're right.

697
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the other thing, on a different topic, I

698
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: need to get into the inquisitor, but we don't quite yet.

699
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: But so go ahead and say anything.

700
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: And also, John, you were about to say something else,

701
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: so I don't forget.

702
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, we can't forget about fifth Brother. Oh my god.

703
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: You know.

704
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 7: But you know, Hara has a really cool arc too,

705
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 7: even though it's a very light hair episode. First of all,

706
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 7: there's two hang ons. She says, hang on, hang on.

707
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 7: So we wrought the three right, wrapt the three so

708
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 7: far in season two of the Hara hang Ons.

709
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: But it's a slow drinking game.

710
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 7: This is a slow burned one. Get them like the

711
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty proof McCallan or whatever, so you

712
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 7: get that quicker whatever they need. Shout out to our

713
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 7: non sponsor McAllen Scotch. But it's all right there. It's

714
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 7: a light hair episode, but I feel like there's an

715
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 7: important lesson there too, because sometimes the hardest thing as

716
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 7: a leader is not being able to do anything at all,

717
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 7: or you had the power down and wait and sometimes

718
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 7: the path at least resistance, whatever you want to call it,

719
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 7: is going to be the best path. And that's the

720
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 7: case for Hara in this episode, which I don't know

721
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 7: how many people have talked about it. I've listened to

722
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 7: like a handful of Star Wars podcast. I think it's

723
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 7: easier to focus on the action because the action is

724
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 7: amazing in this episode, but how hard it must have

725
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 7: been for Hara to not be able to do anything,

726
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 7: you know, but and you know, and keep her sanity

727
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 7: because you know it could as she could have been

728
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 7: impulsive and just flown down there in the ghost and

729
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 7: then try to save the day, but she knew that No,

730
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 7: at this moment, I have to stay still, And just

731
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 7: by my time, I thought that was really cool.

732
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's good at that.

733
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 7: I think we can all learn from that. Sometimes we

734
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 7: all need to power down and wait, yes and.

735
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: Try and and like trust trust, just like she she's forced,

736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: not forced but she's sort of put in a position

737
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: that she's forced to trust that we are all going

738
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: to do what we do, that she knows that we're

739
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: capable of.

740
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: And sometimes you just gotta like.

741
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: Let go and whatever is going to happen is going

742
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: to happen, and just you know, trust your instincts and

743
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: trust your these you know, like your your comrades instincts,

744
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: and and I'm sure that's I mean, I'm saying that,

745
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: and I'm not really able to do that. I am

746
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: not nearly as chill as what I'm describing, but but

747
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: it's it's a good reminder that is a healthy thing

748
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: to do.

749
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 7: It was Hararah like Jordan. When Jordan finally trusted the

750
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 7: triangle offense, It's like, oh, John Packson can hit the

751
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 7: three pointer, I can pass on the ball, I can pass.

752
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 7: Not that Harah was of the mindset of I have

753
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 7: to do everything myself, but it was her just like

754
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 7: trusting that they're going to be okay. Let me make

755
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 7: sure this is okay here. And it's back to what

756
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 7: she told Cain in the last episode. We can't help

757
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: others unless we help ourselves. So if her and Shopper

758
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 7: don't fix the ghosts. What good is she going to

759
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 7: be when they're successful down in Cels and getting out

760
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 7: of that messterin So I just think, again, it's a

761
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 7: very light episode, but all the layering of the characters

762
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 7: is just so prevalent there. And another thing I want

763
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 7: to bring up. We talked about the music last week,

764
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 7: like it sounded like Jaws, but when they defeat the

765
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 7: ad At Walkers, it sounds like et It felt like

766
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 7: another John Williams callback, and I'm knowing JC he may

767
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 7: have a specific, like, you know, some more specificity to that,

768
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 7: but I got et vized, especially when the one Imperial

769
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 7: Troopers left behindind of like, oh my god.

770
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: That when he's like running and he looks that was so.

771
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: Comedic and funny, like a little just reprieve from the

772
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: you know, action packed episode.

773
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 7: And Indiana Jones. I don't may I think it was

774
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 7: a direct now to Indiana Jones. But the part where

775
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 7: they're being shot at by the tie Fighter and Greg

776
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 7: was like, it's been a while since we've been shot

777
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 7: at and then he's like what happens to us every day?

778
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 7: There's this part in Last Crusade where you know, Seaunkar's

779
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 7: like they're trying to kill us Junior. He's like, oh,

780
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 7: I know, Dad, He's like, what should never happened to me?

781
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, it happens to me all the time,

782
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 7: you know. So I felt like there was a nice

783
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 7: indie nod through Sabine, which I thought was really cool.

784
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: So I like it.

785
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 7: Now, fifth Let should we talk about fifth brother before

786
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 7: we get into some fact checking with JC, because we

787
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 7: got to talk about fifth Brothers.

788
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't help thinkquizards are the Mormon fifth Brothers,

789
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 6: seventh Sister, all these names. They tricked me out of it.

790
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: They all want the b Yu, they all want to

791
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 7: him young.

792
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 6: I love it. It's a big, big family that is killing people.

793
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: You guys.

794
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: I am so sorry that I didn't do my homework,

795
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: but I wrote down who voices this inquisitor?

796
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: And I didn't look it up myself. Who voices this inquisitor?

797
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh?

798
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 6: I just had it up to he has three names.

799
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 7: It's on the tip of my braind Michael Murray, Lucas

800
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 7: Scott Is Thomas. That would be amazing, actually release the

801
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 7: JTT cut of the Fifth Brother.

802
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: I should probably have looked this up myself. I thought

803
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: you guys were gonna JC. I'm just kidding.

804
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 7: I remember who played him in live action?

805
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 10: Oh so Philip, Well, Philip Anthony Rodriguez has quite a

806
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 10: imposing voice, like like, what a great what a great voice?

807
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: And also do you for JC? Maybe is that his

808
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: accent or is he doing an accent? All right, I'm

809
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: just asking.

810
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: I'm just Philip real quack.

811
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: Someone get Phillip on the phone, because if it's not

812
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: his real well, either way, it's a great it's a

813
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: great accent. But I was curious if that's his actual Uh,

814
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: if that's if he was creating a.

815
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Speaker 6: Character with J.

816
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 7: C'll know, I went end out, you know, Jac, I

817
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 7: think it's He was played in live action the Kenoby

818
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 7: series by Sun Kang from the Fast and Furious series.

819
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 7: You're kidding, yeah, because I remember when Sun got the

820
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 7: role and I was like, you're playing fifth brother and

821
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 7: he didn't. I don't know how much he knew about

822
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 7: what was that was going to entail, but yeah, they

823
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 7: had him in the makeup and everything. They made him

824
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 7: look awesome on the show, which a very under I'd

825
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 7: like that series. A lot of people you know, didn't,

826
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 7: but it is what it is.

827
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: But I I it is wait, are you talking Fast

828
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Speaker 3: and the Furious.

829
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was han and Fast and furious. But he

830
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 7: played fifth Brother in uh the Kenoby series.

831
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: Wait what's his name?

832
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 6: They made? They made fifth Brother? H brought me to

833
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 6: actually brother?

834
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 7: What they did?

835
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: What? What's what's the answer saying?

836
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 6: I just want to saying some king. Yeah, that's good,

837
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 6: fifth Korean brother? With all the names? I mean, the

838
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 6: Grand Inquisitor is the grand Inquizer. But then where's one

839
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 6: through four? We're six, six, cousin, eight daughter.

840
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 7: We need like a Parks and w rec type of

841
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 7: show with like the inquisitors, like a workplace comedy, like

842
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 7: what what's day to day life for those guys around?

843
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: We're talking about the latest job?

844
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 7: Do you hear what the Grand Inquisitor do? What happened

845
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 7: to the Grand Inquisitor?

846
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: That's funny?

847
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: Well, he's very you know, all of the inquisitors. I

848
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: feel like on rebels. Oh here's a question. Oh this

849
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: might be a stupid question. I'm going to ask it anyway,

850
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: because you.

851
00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: Know what, we're all very surprised. Wow this okay.

852
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: Apologies to you guys who are listening. If you're like, how.

853
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: Does she not know that?

854
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 6: But I thought storm inclosure.

855
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Were there inquisitors that were called inquisitors before rebels?

856
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 6: That is a great question.

857
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 7: That is a great question.

858
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, great.

859
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: I was worried that you guys were gonna be like

860
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: duh and blah blah blah. He might be like, uh,

861
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: it's eighth book of this series of whatever.

862
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I feel like Tales of the Jedi went back and

863
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: did shorts about Ahsoka's childhood and on and on. I

864
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: feel like in the timeline that things had been released

865
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: in the narrative, Yes, I believe. Is it morocc There's

866
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: there's a really horrible inquisitors j C. You'll know his

867
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: exact name, who really played by Clancy that you know,

868
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: attacks her and it's this huge fire scene.

869
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: Another amazing animated show. Or was that Tales of the Empire?

870
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: That might have been Tales of the Empire actually anyway,

871
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: But I think in the Clone Wars, I don't remember

872
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: seeing any inquisitors in.

873
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Speaker 3: So we introduced inquisitors rebels?

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Speaker 1: Did? I feel like we may have unless they're in

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Speaker 1: literature that I did not read.

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Speaker 5: And I'm glad Dave Field in my pitch on that, because.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say that inquisitors are bad ass,

878
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Speaker 2: Like they're so scary in there, in each in their

879
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Speaker 2: own scary, creepy, very you know, intimidating way. Like they're

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Speaker 2: all so rad and I'm glad if we are the

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Speaker 2: one If our show introduced inquisitors to Star Wars Star Wars,

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Speaker 2: I would be very pleased to know that.

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Speaker 7: So j they're very fashionable too. Yeah, they're so cool.

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Speaker 7: It's like you ever seen the movie Dress to Kill

885
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Speaker 7: with Nancy Ellen. It's just the Palma movie from like

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Speaker 7: the seventies. She's dressed so cool in that movie. Or

887
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Speaker 7: it's like when you watch like a slasher movie and

888
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Speaker 7: you're like, you're kind of attracted to the slasher but

889
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Speaker 7: that you shouldn't because they're dressed so cool. That's kind

890
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Speaker 7: of how the inquisitors are. Like, Yeah, it's like why

891
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Speaker 7: are why are these inquisitors like so cool but evil?

892
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Speaker 3: Like why do you be able to unpack this?

893
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Speaker 6: John?

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Speaker 7: Actually listen to my other pock Well we get into that,

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Speaker 7: So I think I think my my, I think my

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Speaker 7: inquisitor fetish is a great segue to our favorite part

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Speaker 7: of the show, JC. What do we got for fact

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Speaker 7: check today? Help us your only hope? Okay, here we go,

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Speaker 7: I got a lot.

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Speaker 8: I don't have a lot of stuff, But I feel

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Speaker 8: a little bit better because initially I was like, you

902
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Speaker 8: guys had such a good, heady kind of conversation today,

903
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Speaker 8: and I was like, I had a bunch of like schlock.

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Speaker 6: To talk about.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to go in order here, So I

906
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Speaker 8: apologize the conversation that you guys were having about animation

907
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Speaker 8: versus live action. I used to back in the day

908
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Speaker 8: get into arguments because people would be like, we need

909
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Speaker 8: a live action Ahsoka, or we need a live action this,

910
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Speaker 8: and I was like, I don't think so I feel

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Speaker 8: like by saying that you need this in live action,

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Speaker 8: it kind of devalues the art form of animation. Like

913
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Speaker 8: the story is the story. If it's a great story,

914
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Speaker 8: we don't need a shot for shot remake Lion King

915
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Speaker 8: of what was great in animation. So, Tia, I'm also

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Speaker 8: kind of with you on that is like I don't

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Speaker 8: really watch I don't really like compare the mediums when

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Speaker 8: I'm watching it.

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Speaker 6: I just kind of take it in as what it is.

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Speaker 8: But I did have I have had a lot of

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Speaker 8: conversations with David Collins about this, who did a lot

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Speaker 8: of the sound on like bad in Star Wars animation

923
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Speaker 8: and is now doing live action.

924
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Speaker 6: Like Skeleton Crew and these types of things.

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Speaker 8: And something that he said and I tend to agree with,

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Speaker 8: is that animation allows you to take risks that you

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Speaker 8: would never be able to take in live action because

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Speaker 8: similarly to like what Vanessa said, expense, but also I

929
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Speaker 8: think people are more forgiving of animation. In the next episode.

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Speaker 8: There's some slapstick kind of Looney Tunes stuff where Ezra

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Speaker 8: bumps his head in episode five that we're about to

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Speaker 8: talk about, which totally would not be funny, would not

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Speaker 8: work in live action. It seems cheesy, but in animation

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Speaker 8: it works one hundred percent, and you kind of look

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Speaker 8: forward to those moments of levity in animation that you

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Speaker 8: don't in live action. So I think, you know, animation

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Speaker 8: benefits from a tolerance that people have for it that

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Speaker 8: allows it to be riskier than what you would ever

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Speaker 8: do in live action. And because you're allowed to be

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Speaker 8: riskier and take these risks and take bigger swings, you're

941
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Speaker 8: able to hit a lot more home runs. And I

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Speaker 8: think Rebel succeeds in that. I mean across well, look

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Speaker 8: at Rotten Tomatoes.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 6: I think that validates that idea. I didn't pick up

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Speaker 6: the et music.

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Speaker 8: I apparently cracks are showing in my fact check armor,

948
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Speaker 8: but I'm sure that's it. Philip Anthony Rodriguez. That is

949
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Speaker 8: not his accent in the show. That is not his voice.

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Speaker 8: He's doing a full on character voice and everything. Inquisitors,

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Speaker 8: Grand Inquisitors, second sister. There is no third that I

952
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Speaker 8: could find listed anywhere. Fourth brother, fifth brother, sixth brother,

953
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Speaker 8: seventh sister, eighth brother. And Vanessa Marok, which you got right,

954
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Speaker 8: was once known as the first brother. And I think

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Speaker 8: I think he shows up as like a pilot in

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Speaker 8: the live action Ahsoka show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's introduced there, and then they translated

958
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Speaker 1: him over to I believe it's Tales of the Empire.

959
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Speaker 1: They brought it backwards the Jedi. Actually, is it Tales

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Speaker 1: of the Jedi? When she's fighting him around a fire?

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Speaker 1: She goes to work at some farm and she's like

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Speaker 1: bailing hay and doing her thing, and then dude walks

963
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Speaker 1: up and like lights place on fire, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like, wow, this is not going to end.

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Speaker 4: Well, oh my goodness, you know, Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 4: Tales of the Jedi.

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Speaker 1: Which technically would be before Rebels, but we didn't see

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Speaker 1: it until long after Rebels ended. So within the narrative, yes,

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Speaker 1: they existed, but within like the introduction of them into

970
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Speaker 1: the lure and our sense of awareness about them, we

971
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Speaker 1: didn't know that she did all that as a child

972
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Speaker 1: and this and that it kind of fleshed out the backstory,

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Speaker 1: much like they're going to flesh out the Rebels backstrow eventually.

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Speaker 8: Right right, Yeah, And on that I do not believe,

975
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Speaker 8: and I did in fact check myself on this. I

976
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Speaker 8: just used my own knowledge. But I think inquisitors were

977
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Speaker 8: an invention for Star Wars Rebels. I don't think that

978
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Speaker 8: pre lore it was like Darth Vader individually went and

979
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Speaker 8: hunted down all the Jedi, but rebels, I think he

980
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Speaker 8: was like he kind of had these acolytes that went

981
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Speaker 8: and did his bidding or helped him.

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Speaker 6: Do his bidding.

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Speaker 3: Love that.

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Speaker 8: So in terms of the discussion you guys had, that's

985
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Speaker 8: all I have. I had a few of my own notes.

986
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Speaker 8: The ad ass we see are an early model ad

987
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Speaker 8: at that so that's why they look a bit little

988
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Speaker 8: bit different, But they are actually ad ats. Taylor, Sorry

989
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Speaker 8: you mentioned a haboob as a sandstorm that happens in

990
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Speaker 8: Coachella and Palm Springs.

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Speaker 5: Correct nailed it.

992
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Speaker 8: There is historical precedent for a sandstorm. In Star Wars.

993
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Speaker 8: There is a whole deleted scene that takes place on

994
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Speaker 8: Tatuin after Jaba's palace and they blow up his sale

995
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Speaker 8: barge before Luke goes to Diegoba. There is a scene

996
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Speaker 8: that was filmed that had never been seen, that had

997
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Speaker 8: been talked about in the Return of the Jedi novelization,

998
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Speaker 8: and I think perhaps you've seen a photo here or

999
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Speaker 8: there in some of the Return of the Jedi like

1000
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Speaker 8: kids books back in nineteen eighty three, where it's Lando

1001
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Speaker 8: Chewbacca's injured and it's Lando and Luke and Lea helping

1002
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Speaker 8: and the droids helping Chewbacca back to the Millennium Falcon

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Speaker 8: in the middle of a sandstorm, and the dialogue that

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Speaker 8: takes place there is very similar to dialogue that takes

1005
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Speaker 8: place just after, which is you know, you know, thanks

1006
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Speaker 8: for coming after me, Kid, I owe you one like

1007
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Speaker 8: that Hunt Solo dialogue takes place during that sandstorm, and

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Speaker 8: Laya also in that says, hurry, the fleet should be

1009
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Speaker 8: assembled by now, because Lukes like I got to go

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Speaker 8: back to Dagoba, So all of that is more concisely

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Speaker 8: done later. But there is a sandstorm scene in Return

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Speaker 8: of the Jedi. You can watch it now on the

1013
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Speaker 8: Star Wars Blu Ray and then maybe extra on Disney

1014
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Speaker 8: Plus if you go to Return of the Jedi. They

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Speaker 8: also made action figures of all of those characters. Hasbro

1016
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Speaker 8: did around the time that the Blu Ray came out,

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Speaker 8: so Rebels really took that and kind of like made

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Speaker 8: it a more exciting scene because the scene's kind of

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Speaker 8: boring if you go back and watch it right now.

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Speaker 8: Callous mentions the pincer maneuver when they're in the ad Ads.

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Speaker 8: It's a naval tactic that was used in trap a

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Speaker 8: target starship between attacking warships. Wedge Antilles used it several

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Speaker 8: times against Grindmemeral Thron in the Now Legends Heir to

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Speaker 8: the Empire series, So that was another case of there's

1025
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Speaker 8: always a little bit of truth in Legends. Dave Filoni's

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Speaker 8: quote also on it. In the ad at they say

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Speaker 8: intensify forward fire power to.

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Speaker 6: Pummel the rebels.

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Speaker 8: That's a direct line from Return of the Jedi as well,

1030
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Speaker 8: where the captain of the Executor, not the Executor the Executor,

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Speaker 8: and I can go into why it is actually the

1032
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Speaker 8: Executor not the Executor, which is the Giant Superstar Destroyer

1033
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Speaker 8: says that just before the A Wing flies through the

1034
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Speaker 8: bridge and return to the Jedi, which crashes the ship

1035
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Speaker 8: into the Death Star.

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Speaker 6: Executor was.

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Speaker 8: There's a toy of it that was coming out in

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Speaker 8: the early eighties and they had done like mockups of

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Speaker 8: the packaging for the Executor Superstar Destroyer, and they're like,

1040
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Speaker 8: oh my god, we can't put out a children's to

1041
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Speaker 8: way that says Executor on it. So they changed the

1042
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Speaker 8: name of the toy to Darth Vader's starship. Yes, now

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna get ad add on the internet about how

1044
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Speaker 8: a toy is not why the name of a thing

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Speaker 8: is the name of a thing. But when the toy

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Speaker 8: company here, the people who are making up the names,

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Speaker 8: it very much.

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Speaker 7: Is come mad at us.

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Speaker 3: Come on, sounds very sound.

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Speaker 6: That's all I got. It's as shorty today. Love it. Well.

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Speaker 7: One thing I want to point out, you said you

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Speaker 7: did in fact check yourself and you just went into

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Speaker 7: your brain. Isn't that what you always do anyway? So

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Speaker 7: I just want to point that out. You are so

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Speaker 7: what you do, so therefore everything you said is all canon.

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Speaker 7: But go ahead and add Like Michael Keaton, he's like,

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Speaker 7: come on at us. Thank you as always. We love

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Speaker 7: the fact check. Maybe you'll re listen and hear the

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Speaker 7: EAT because like I thought of ET because my default

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Speaker 7: is ET, but I don't know. Maybe it's a bonus episode.

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Speaker 7: And I'd love to get David Collins on here. I

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Speaker 7: think he'd be a great guest.

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Speaker 11: Well that's easy, yeah, I mean, well, not that he

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Speaker 11: has time, but ask for sure at some point. I

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Speaker 11: think I think that'd be a very fun discussion. His

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Speaker 11: point of view on everything, a certain point of view,

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Speaker 11: if you will, all right, well, I think of anything,

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Speaker 11: it's just time to see it. Farewells, but also thank

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Speaker 11: you as always to our listeners who keep on supporting us.

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Speaker 11: We keep on going, you know, not just because we're

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Speaker 11: under contract with iHeart, because we do it mostly for

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Speaker 11: you guys that are listening to each and every week,

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00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 11: and we always appreciate the support. Keep following, keep rating,

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Speaker 11: keep subscribing, keep telling your friends about it, and we'll

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Speaker 11: keep on delivering the best Rebels content we can. But

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Speaker 11: until then, Taylor has the magic words as always.

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Speaker 6: Do the music.

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Speaker 7: so much, and of course all of our amazing listeners.

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Speaker 7: at Potter Rebellion Podcasts at gmail dot com