WEBVTT - The Flannan Isles Mystery

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant over there, and Jerry's

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<v Speaker 1>out here too. So since the gang's all here, the

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<v Speaker 1>three of us alone on a deserted aisle, stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know? Can I mention a couple of things here?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should. I want to pre apologize to

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<v Speaker 1>our Scottish listeners, whom we love. We we toured in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>had a great time, one of our best live shows

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<v Speaker 1>in the beautiful city of Edinburgh. Yes, wonderful. People love

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<v Speaker 1>the Scots. But we are going to butcher some of

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<v Speaker 1>these names. And I apologize that. Yeah, we're sorry. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and what was the other thing? Oh? The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>was it's impossible to talk about the Flannon Aisles Lighthouse

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<v Speaker 1>mystery and research it without almost always thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>movie The Lighthouse. Uh. Yeah, and actually it comes up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in the research too. Yeah. I think one

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<v Speaker 1>reason is because it's clear that, oh, what's the guy's

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<v Speaker 1>name he made it? I can't think of his name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not William Ker's. Well, it's definitely not Dave Aggers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an Egger's right. Yeah, I'm pretty Robert, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Kay, Robert Aggers, Okay, yes, uh, he clearly did

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<v Speaker 1>his research. Uh. And you know, I remember when that

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<v Speaker 1>movie came out. I spoke on the show that I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a movie, a period movie about a lighthouse and

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<v Speaker 1>a murder that takes place, and then the movie The

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<v Speaker 1>Lighthouse came out, and I was like, so much for that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did a lot of research at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was clear that Eggers did a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>research because it was a very accurate film. Especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you read and research the Flannin Isisles Lighthouse mystery, You're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like from the movie, and that's like from the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently they mentioned it in the movie. I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch it again, but I saw something really

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<v Speaker 1>that they make a reference to the mystery in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, I thought so too. Yeah, man, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait for that Viking movie to come out. Me too.

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<v Speaker 1>And this made me want to see The Lighthouse again,

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't think I wanted to do, but now

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<v Speaker 1>I do the same. Here. So, um, we are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about one particular lighthouse called the Flannin Isles lighthouse, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was located on one island in the Flanning Isles

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<v Speaker 1>called Island More. Uh, that's not exactly like Chuck was

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<v Speaker 1>saying the Scottish pronunciation scott Gaelic um, but it's close

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<v Speaker 1>enough and it actually means in English. I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>More island right, Okay, So anyway, that's where this lighthouse

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<v Speaker 1>is and and it's situated. It's still there today. It's

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<v Speaker 1>automated though it went automated in but um, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's light is about seventy five ft atop the cliff,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the high point of Island More. And that

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<v Speaker 1>cliff is two hundred feet above sea level. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good place for a lighthouse because this area

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<v Speaker 1>of Scotland is kind of treacherous for ships. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's important how high this one was. It figures into

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<v Speaker 1>the story. I'm not just showing off with stats here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is treacherous. It's a windy area. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are big winds in Scotland, especially out there on

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<v Speaker 1>those islands. I think it is close and this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny the name of it, But isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>nearby supposedly the windiest place. Is it the windiest place

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK. And what's the name of it, The

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<v Speaker 1>Butt of Lewis. Come on, I'm serious, but it makes

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis is a nearby island, um, which is inhabited in

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<v Speaker 1>the region, which is pretty rare, I think, um. But this,

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<v Speaker 1>this part of it, one end of the island is

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<v Speaker 1>called the Butt of Lewis Island and it's the windiest part.

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<v Speaker 1>The Butt of Lewis is the windiest island right, So

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<v Speaker 1>that the the area that these Flanning Aisles are in,

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<v Speaker 1>so Island more is in the Flannon Aisles. The Flannin

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<v Speaker 1>Aisles are part of the larger um island chain on

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<v Speaker 1>the northwest of Scotland called the Outer Hebrides, and UM

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<v Speaker 1>to the west of them, you can just keep going

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<v Speaker 1>and going and going and then you'll finally reach North America. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty remote, they're pretty isolated. They are indeed windy,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we're saying, the seeds are are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rough around there. I think that's kind of putting it mildly.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus the islands themselves are often very rocky and jagged,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's treacherous. So of course you'd want to

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<v Speaker 1>put a lighthouse there. Well, yeah, the winds blow strong

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<v Speaker 1>from the butt of Lewis. But the the lighthouse that

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<v Speaker 1>was built there finally on Island more Um, wasn't installed

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<v Speaker 1>until eighteen nine UM, which is kind of late considering

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<v Speaker 1>that Scotland had something called the Northern Lighthouse Board that

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<v Speaker 1>they organized in sevent six to basically oversee and standardized

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<v Speaker 1>lighthouse keeping in that country. Yeah. So they were headquartered

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<v Speaker 1>there in Edinburgh. And here here's how it worked at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And this checks out according to my research

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<v Speaker 1>when I was writing my movie and the movie The Lighthouse. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They were staff. You had your principal lightkeeper called the

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<v Speaker 1>principal Keeper, and then usually depending on you know, where

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<v Speaker 1>the lighthouse was, how busy it was, how big it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and as far as needed uh personnel for operation, you

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<v Speaker 1>had one or two assistants. Uh. And they were all

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<v Speaker 1>ranked as you know. You weren't just like oh, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be the first keeper this week, like you earned that spot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a promotion, uh, and then you were assigned

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<v Speaker 1>to these stations by the board. Just like in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't you don't stay there forever. You kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rotate and you go there for a little while, and

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<v Speaker 1>you may get stationed with someone you've never worked with before,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to get to know that person very

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<v Speaker 1>intimately over the course of you know, a short period

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Or it's some money you have worked with

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<v Speaker 1>before and your old friends with maybe for old enemies, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>wor old enemies. So aside from these two to three

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<v Speaker 1>people as principles and assistance, you had what's called the

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<v Speaker 1>occasional keeper. And this is someone who actually lived nearby UH,

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<v Speaker 1>either an inhabited island resident or if it was uninhabited,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was at least close enough, they could get

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<v Speaker 1>there easily and they would help out UH during the day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they would go home at night and sleep and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in their own betty by And that was the standard.

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<v Speaker 1>But for a place like Um Island more where the

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<v Speaker 1>flann And Isles Lighthouse was located. UM, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>an occasional, you were there for two weeks. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>hard it was to get to the island and how

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<v Speaker 1>hard it was to get off of the island. So

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of the occasional was to give two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>rest off to one of the other two or three people.

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<v Speaker 1>Who were permanently stay temporarily stationed there for much longer

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<v Speaker 1>than you. Right, then those cases, the keeper the occasional

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<v Speaker 1>does not go home and sleep right. So, Um, the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that that stuck out to meet

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck was that, you know, when you think about lighthouse keeping, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the person has to live there, and it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work and they have to attend to the light

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. But I think lighthouse keepers are very frequently

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<v Speaker 1>um portrayed as weirdos, just complete alcoholics who like can't

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<v Speaker 1>can't do anything else but live by themselves. That almost

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<v Speaker 1>like their place there because there's there's nothing else for

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<v Speaker 1>them to contribute to society, so they're kind of cast

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<v Speaker 1>off for ostra sized. That's not the case, at least

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<v Speaker 1>not in Scotland. That was not the case. Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a lighthousekeeper, that was a very very important job.

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<v Speaker 1>You took it very very seriously. Um, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a study that found between eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen hundred fifty years there were only fifteen records

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<v Speaker 1>did instances of lighthouse keeper falling asleep at their post,

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<v Speaker 1>which was about as bad as it gets as a lighthousekeeper. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's not to say they weren't drunks and

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<v Speaker 1>miths and thropes here and there. Maybe those are the

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen yes, But I did a little more further math, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>if I may be sewing indulged as to share it,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that. I thought that was pretty funny. So

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<v Speaker 1>so get this. Let's say you have about a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty lighthouses in operation between eighteen fifty and nineteen hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you calculate that number of lighthouses times the

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<v Speaker 1>number of nights that occurred over that fifty years in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>you have what we'll call two point seven five million

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<v Speaker 1>lighthouse nights. Out of those two point seven five million

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<v Speaker 1>lighthouse nights in Scotland over those fifty years, only fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>of those nights found a lighthouse keeper asleep on duty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how seriously they took it. Did you account for

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<v Speaker 1>leap years? Oh, Chuck, I just really wanted to drive

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<v Speaker 1>that home. Man. I really thought that was an important point,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't get come across with fifteen instances fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares, no, I mean it's a big deal, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the purpose of a lighthouse I guess we

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<v Speaker 1>have not really said is to light the way around

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<v Speaker 1>rocky shores and islands so boats don't run into them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you've been living under a rocky shore, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a very important job. Though. I love lighthouses.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about them quite a few times on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Big fan. Every time I am near a lighthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>I will do my best to climb that thing if

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<v Speaker 1>it's allowed. So, who who done it? In your lighthouse mystery? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Who did do it? It was a good story. Actually, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe you should hang onto it in case somebody

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<v Speaker 1>comes along, because it's not like The Lighthouse is the

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<v Speaker 1>only lighthouse movie ever made. Yeah, the briefest synopsis is

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<v Speaker 1>it's too sisters who are attending the lighthouse because it

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<v Speaker 1>was their family job and their parents died there. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's these two sort of like a like maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year old and a sixteen year old out there

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<v Speaker 1>alone in this island. And then these two men wash

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<v Speaker 1>ashore one day and a shipwreck and they tell the

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<v Speaker 1>awful story of their their ship going down, and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that the real story is that they were

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners aboard a ship being transferred and they escaped their

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<v Speaker 1>shackles and murdered everyone aboard, and then there was a shipwreck,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were bad guys who got washed ashore. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit like a reverse dead Calm sort of, and

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<v Speaker 1>they charmed the girls. But there is I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know the name was an occasional keeper. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that lives one guy that lives on the island

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<v Speaker 1>that helps them out that is sort of suspicious of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys, and it sort of plays out over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the movie where they're exposed ending in a

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<v Speaker 1>game of cat and mouse one night, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it was okay. I mean so I did it

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<v Speaker 1>as a as an experiment because all I've ever written

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<v Speaker 1>is comedy, and I thought, hey, maybe I'll write a

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<v Speaker 1>serious thriller. And uh, it could be better if a

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<v Speaker 1>really good thriller writer got ahold of it, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But where there's still like little jokes peppered as a sides,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the sisters is running from the murderer

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<v Speaker 1>and says to herself, I left the mainland for this,

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<v Speaker 1>like your comedy shines through still. Oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to dust that thing off. You should man,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a good one. Thank you so um

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<v Speaker 1>this lighthouse back to the Flanton Isles lighthouse on Island More. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we said that most of the Outer Hebrides are uninhabited.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we said that, didn't we I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but you just said it. Then. I think there's seventy

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<v Speaker 1>islands and the Outer Hebrides, and only fifteen of them

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<v Speaker 1>are populated, and Island More is definitely not one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>The only remote, it is extremely remote. Um. The only people,

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<v Speaker 1>the only beings that live there, Um, what you would

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<v Speaker 1>recognize as a genuine normal being as opposed to say, paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll get into, are the lighthouse keepers and some sheep.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the people whose sheep those are don't live on

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<v Speaker 1>the island or even stay there overnight. They go out

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<v Speaker 1>a few times a year check on the sheep, and

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<v Speaker 1>then leave before nightfall. That's that's kind of how Island

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<v Speaker 1>More is viewed. It seemed kind of as a place

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<v Speaker 1>where maybe gods or ghosts or just something other worldly

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<v Speaker 1>lives on Island More, according to the locals. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Lower written about the locals, I've never spoken to an

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<v Speaker 1>Outer hebridean Yeah, and I think the other thing we

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<v Speaker 1>need to mention too, because I believe it comes up

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<v Speaker 1>later in one of the supernatural explanations for what is

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<v Speaker 1>to come here with this mystery is the name St.

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<v Speaker 1>Flannin comes from the fact that Island More was the

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<v Speaker 1>side of a chapel in the seventh century built by

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<v Speaker 1>a traveling Irish monk who eventually became St. Flannin, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to come up. Just put a in that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big time pin hang on to it. Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a good setup? Should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so? Man, all right, we'll come back with

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<v Speaker 1>more spooky lighthouse mystery stuff right after this. Alright, so

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably mention the steamship actor or archter Arcter.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it both ways, but that kind of kicks

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<v Speaker 1>off the story for us, don't you think. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't mentioned the major players either yet, have we. No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we could go either way. We can mention

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<v Speaker 1>one or the other. All right, let's mention the players

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<v Speaker 1>because these are the actual keepers of that lighthouse. You

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<v Speaker 1>had the principal keeper, James Ducatt, you had the second assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't he be the first assistant though no, Donald mccarthur.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that, okay. Thomas Marshall was the second

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<v Speaker 1>assistant and then Donald mccarth MacArthur was the occasional right,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my bit. So he was filling in for a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named William Ross. William Ross was the first assistant keeper,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that since Donald MacArthur was filling in for him,

0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Donald McArthur was the first assistant keeper even though he

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<v Speaker 1>was an occasional keeper. Okay, that makes sense. And William

0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Ross was unsickly and just judging from the movie The

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<v Speaker 1>Lighthouse and and all this research, like you must have

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<v Speaker 1>had to been really sick to get taken off the island. Yes,

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.680
<v Speaker 1>but I think, yes, that's what I thought too. But

0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>doing research for this, I found that these guys had

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<v Speaker 1>all of them had a rotating two weeks off. So

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<v Speaker 1>at any given point, over a stretch of two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>one of those men, James Ducott, Thomas Marshall or William

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<v Speaker 1>Ross would not be on the island because they rotated

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks shorely basically. So I yeah, I was over

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<v Speaker 1>the impression that if you went and tended a lighthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>they dropped you off left you with some food and

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<v Speaker 1>said see you never. But that's not the case. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think they were well taken care of.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the impression the Northern Lighthouse Board was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at its job and really cared about these people

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<v Speaker 1>and looked after them. I didn't see anything to to

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<v Speaker 1>to deny that. Yeah, well, it's a brutal and important job,

0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so surely that they were taken care of, at least

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain degree. But the upshot of all this

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<v Speaker 1>is that there were three men on the island, three

0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.440
<v Speaker 1>dudes working that lighthouse, and aside from some sheep that

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. That was the only people on the island.

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<v Speaker 1>And this, by the way, this is December of nineteen hundred, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this thing is brand new. Yeah, A built it

0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.680
<v Speaker 1>in that was scheduled to take two years. It took

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<v Speaker 1>four years. The construction was started in and what they

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<v Speaker 1>built was at the time a state of the art lighthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>But it took so long. It took twice as long

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<v Speaker 1>as they anticipated because the cliffs and the island itself

0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.440
<v Speaker 1>was so treacherous. That's how long it took just to

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<v Speaker 1>like get materials up the cliff to build the lighthouse. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's finally in operation. And then now comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the Actor, which is what you mentioned earlier. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>C T O R, but the Actor a H T

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<v Speaker 1>E R. Yeah. It was a transatlantic steamship from Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>to Leith, which is a port for Edinburgh. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were out there was about say, sailing around,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess they were steaming around and they waited

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<v Speaker 1>out a storm for a few days and then, uh,

0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.000
<v Speaker 1>this part got confusing to me. So the actor was

0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 1>was passing by Flannon Aisles. It by on December and

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the actor noticed that the light was out, not that

0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't see the light because of weather or anything

0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>like that. Like the light was straight up not lit

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 1>on the lighthouse, on Flannon Isle's lighthouse like that was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a very strange thing to see and it

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<v Speaker 1>was very noteworthy. UM. They ran into some weather on

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<v Speaker 1>their way to Leaf and had to wait it out

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days. And when they finally made it

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<v Speaker 1>into port, I guess they passed the information along, but

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<v Speaker 1>the the Northern Lighthouse Board didn't catch wind of it

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<v Speaker 1>until the official relief supply ship UM showed up a

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<v Speaker 1>few days later and the actors observation that the light

0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.639
<v Speaker 1>was out wouldn't come into play until an investigation was

0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.879
<v Speaker 1>launched later on. Right, So that relief ship was the

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<v Speaker 1>Hesperus H S P E r U S. And that

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<v Speaker 1>arrived on December, which was Boxing day after Christmas. And

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<v Speaker 1>what these ships brought as they usually brought either supplies

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<v Speaker 1>or uh fresh dudes or both. And in this case,

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I think they had supplies and a fresh lighthousekeeper. And

0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:16.080
<v Speaker 1>it was captained by uh Captain Harvey, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, something's going on here. This lights out, the

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<v Speaker 1>flag's not flying. Let me toot on the horn a

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<v Speaker 1>few times. Dude, nobody comes out there. All right, well,

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>let me send up a flare. They send up a flare,

0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.600
<v Speaker 1>No one comes out. And what they're trying to do

0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.719
<v Speaker 1>is say, hey, we're here, get your little, uh, your

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.359
<v Speaker 1>little rail car system going. It had a little cable

0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a little cable pulled railroad system that was operated by

0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a steam engine in a shack. And so when the

0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.199
<v Speaker 1>chip pulls up, they would toot the horn and the

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.879
<v Speaker 1>dudes would come down and they would get that steam

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<v Speaker 1>engine going and get that cable car ready to transfer

0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the goods onto this thing, so they could. You know,

0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like hundreds of pounds of stuff going up a

0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.600
<v Speaker 1>really really steep cliff side. Yeah, there's just no way

0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to move that stuff otherwise now you'd have to do it.

0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So nobody came out, no one gets that steam chat going,

0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and uh, they're like, all right, something's going on. We're

0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to to go on land and figure this out. Yeah,

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And just the fact that they weren't greeted by one

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<v Speaker 1>or more of the guys from the lighthouse, which is

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>apparently custom, Like even the most grizzled misanthrope um lighthouse

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.239
<v Speaker 1>keeper just knew it was customed to come down and

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.880
<v Speaker 1>greet the relief ship. You're still dying to see someone else,

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty much, I think, you know. Yeah, So that like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that no one showed up and then no

0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 1>one responded to their signals. They were like, something really

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<v Speaker 1>weird is going on here. And they had Joseph Moore

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<v Speaker 1>who was the relieving keeper, which makes me think that

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<v Speaker 1>William Ross was really really sick because he would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on sickly for way over two weeks by the side,

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe the relief ship was um five days

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<v Speaker 1>late because of weather, so he must have really been

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<v Speaker 1>laid up, and they sent another relieving keeper, Joseph Moore

0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>um instead, and Joseph Moore went ashore, and he was

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.680
<v Speaker 1>friends with these guys. He wasn't some new dude or

0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.679
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. So he was genuinely concerned and he

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>went up the steps to the lighthouse. There's apparently a

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty of them, and he just knew right

0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 1>away that something was way off. There was no sign

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:19.439
<v Speaker 1>of life, there was nobody around, there was the just

0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing was going on. It was abandoned, basically, and he

0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a very good feeling about it. So he

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<v Speaker 1>runs back down to the boat to say, I think

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.119
<v Speaker 1>we have a problem here. Yes, so he says, I

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 1>think we have a problem. And then that's when basically

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone on board said, all right, we gotta this is

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<v Speaker 1>a situation now that we all have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the captain who went with more

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<v Speaker 1>to search for other stuff, and they said, in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>you other guys, you gotta get up there and start

0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.240
<v Speaker 1>operating this lighthouse because it's been down and we need

0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to get that thing cranked up again. Yes, so they

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<v Speaker 1>so the first for the first time, possibly since December

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.920
<v Speaker 1>five teeth. The lighthouse was lit again with by these

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>relief guys who took over and kind of settled in

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.360
<v Speaker 1>and we're like, all right, this is our job now. Um.

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 1>But that follow up search, it's weird. Like we'll talk

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 1>about some of the legends and layers that were added

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to it over the years, But to me, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that was like so weird about the follow up search

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<v Speaker 1>was that everything was in place like it would be

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<v Speaker 1>way more like kind of middle of the road. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>this mystery if there was like signs of struggle or

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, they were like like, I think everything was

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 1>just kind of askew. It's way more eerie to me

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.360
<v Speaker 1>that like everything was exactly how it should have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just the three human beings that were supposed to

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 1>be there were missing. But that's what what m. Joseph

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Moore found and the others found when they searched a

0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 1>lot more thoroughly. Yeah, the door to the keeper's house

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>was closed, the gate was closed. The in the kitchen

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.439
<v Speaker 1>everything was also bit and span. Everything was all cleaned

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 1>up that it was clear that someone had done some

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.359
<v Speaker 1>cooking in the grate, but not anytime soon there were

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>ashes in there. The beds were made, uh, the clocks

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>had all stopped because no one was there to wind them, obviously,

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.919
<v Speaker 1>And everything was fine except like you said that there

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<v Speaker 1>was no one around that there was a full uh

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>fountain of paraffin oil. It was all like the light

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 1>was ready to be burned, the lamp that for nel

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>lens was cleaned up and ready to go. The blinds

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 1>were drawn, their records were all filled out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up until Saturday, I think the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of December, right, and so everything was great except for

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:44.360
<v Speaker 1>there were two missing sets of rain gear they're called

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 1>oil skins, their coats and their boots. Two of those

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:52.160
<v Speaker 1>were missing out of the three guys, and so that's

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:53.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of the only thing out of the ordinary at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Yeah, yeah, that was basically the only trace

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of the missing men. Like like, had those oil skins

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.639
<v Speaker 1>still been there, you would you would have taken the

0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>lighthouse and in the the the area as like having

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>been prepared for somebody else. They just hadn't shown up yet. Like,

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the missing oil skins were the only trace that those

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>men were missing, that there have been men there that

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 1>were no longer there anymore. Right. Uh. And then there

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>were a couple of pieces of literature that kind of

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>confused things after the fact, right Yeah, that really kind

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of made this, like, to a lot of people, like

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<v Speaker 1>a much bigger mystery. I think some people came along

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and weren't satisfied with how mysterious it was on its own,

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and so added to it and added to it over

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.879
<v Speaker 1>the years through magazine articles and newspaper reports and then

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.880
<v Speaker 1>later on like podcasts and stuff, and so you really

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 1>have to be careful navigating these waters. I feel excuse

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the pun or the stupid metaphor um when you're researching this,

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>because so much of it is just regurgitated as fact

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>because it has been part of the story for a

0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. That it was actually thanked to the thanks

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to the efforts of a journalist named Mike Dash, who

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>if you are at all interested in nonfiction writing, especially

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>non fiction history writing, go check out Mike Dash's website.

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>He's probably the best in the business. But yes, he's

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 1>just amazing. Um. But he uh, he set his sights

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>on getting to the bottom of this, and he did

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>some stuff and basically finally definitively proved no. This was

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 1>added to it later on. This was added to it

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 1>later on. This is not true that kind of stuff.

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>So hats off to Mike Dash for demystifying a lot

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>of it true but also making it not as fun

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's decidedly creepier with these newspaper stories as they

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 1>were written. Um. One of the newspaper stories talked about

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the log book and this is completely fabricated, you know,

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 1>like Mike Dash exposed it as fabrication, but it's still

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty creepy. Uh. The log entries, uh in the fake

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>log entries were by second well not buy a second assistant, Marshall,

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>but this is how they wrote it, uh, and wrote

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 1>on December twelve, they saw severe winds the likes of

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>which I've never seen before in twenty years, and wrote,

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and these are these are people that have seen some

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst storms you could imagine out there on

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>these outer islands, and pretty unshakable guys, I would think,

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and he said he wrote in the next two days

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that the storm continued. It was so unbearable that Ducat,

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the principal keeper, uh was uh struck mute by the storm.

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 1>And the occasional keeper MacArthur, who was supposedly a really

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>tough guy was recorded as weeping uncontrollably for days because

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of how bad the storm was. Yeah, it's good stuff,

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>It is good stuff, but Mike Dash made mince meat

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>out of it, and he's kind of my hero for it.

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that he basically just points out

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>is if if this were an official log book, if

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you were a second assistant, you put that in there,

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you would you would basically get fired for that kind

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of thing, Like, that's not what a log book is for,

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and you certainly wouldn't put that your superior was weeping

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>uncontrollably in the log book, Like that's just not what

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you would put in a log book for the for

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in the first case. And then secondly, he also said

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that somebody being quiet um because of a storm or

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever um or their mood, like it also kind of

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>mentions their mood a lot too, that that would have

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 1>no bearing on anything. And the only way that that

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>makes sense in relation to the story is after the fact,

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 1>which he said, obviously that means that those were written

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>after the fact. And then years later, after he'd first

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>investigated it, he he finally turned up a copy of

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the magazine that this uh came out in in ne

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was like a like a pulp magazine called

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like True Confessions or something like that. So he definitely

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>he definitely deconstructed that for sure, to my great satisfaction.

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah, it's kind of funny though, like

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the log book was basically like your diary. That's exactly right,

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 1>he said, like log books were not diaries. But he

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>actually specifically said that, Yeah, that's funny. The other thing

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>he uncovered or did he uncover the poem or was

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that just I think that was a little more common knowledge.

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he wrote about the poem being the poem too. Okay.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 1>So in nine twelve there was a poem by Wilfred

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Wilson Gibson who wrote a poem about this mystery where, uh,

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>he says, there was an untouched meal on the table,

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>cold meat, pickles and potatoes. The kitchen chair was was

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 1>knocked over. The only sign of life was the keeper's

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 1>canary half starving on a spurch. Like these are all

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 1>the things that you mentioned would have made this a

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>different story, but everything was really just fine. I don't

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>even think the chair was turned over, right, Uh the

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think the guy later on Well,

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to him. Yeah, the way that Mike Dash

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>treated it is um that it's possible. Okay, I don't

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>know if Mike Dash treated it like that way. Mike

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Dash wrote about a later guy who will talk about

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>who treated it as facts, So I don't. I don't.

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I think with the upshot of it is that in

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>doing like this research on primary resources, like what what

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Moore wrote, Um, what Robert Muirhead who will talk

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>about wrote, these people who were actually there when it

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>happened or right after it happened, Um, that nobody mentioned

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.159
<v Speaker 1>anything like a turned over chair, And based on what

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>they did mention, it seemed like they probably would have

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it turned over chair. They were so meticulous in

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the details. All right, Well, let's talk about some of

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the evidence that was there, because what we're really talking

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>about is was there I mean, the kind of obvious

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>thing you would think about is was there some big

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>storm that that watched these guys away forever? Like That's

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of the one reasonable explanation. And so as far

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>as evidence goes, most of it is storm related. Uh.

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>For the you know, to to sort of support that

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and to go against it, um, was a railway that

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>we talked about, and that had a crane, and the

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>crane was sort of you know, built to help unload

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>things off of this platform, off the cargo, uh container.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>And it was about seventy feet above sea level. And

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it was fine. It was it even still had the

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>canvas wrapped around it. Uh So, if there was some

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>big storm and an evidence shows there probably was one, right,

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>but at least this crane seventy feet up wasn't damaged

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and that canvas was still there, which is a little weird.

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>It is a little weird because even a little higher

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>up towards the top of the cliff. So this the

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>crane was at about seventy ft above sea level, right, Yeah,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>a little higher up than that, at about a hundred

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and ten ft above sea level. There was a box,

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a big box that held a lot of like mooring

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>ropes and ropes for the crane and just some really

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>important stuff tackle and it had been busted open and

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the contents like strewn all down the cliff face. There

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>was a buoy that was tied to the railing right

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>around the same place as that crate a hundred and

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>ten feet above sea level. It had been torn clean

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>away from the ropes that had lashed it to the railing.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>The ropes were still there, but the buoy, just a

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>little piece of buoy was left attached to it. Uh.

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>And yet the crane was intact. And then even weirder,

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the the iron railings around the crane um that you

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 1>would use as handrails, had just been completely twisted and

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>wrenched out of place. That's a heck of a storm.

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing storm. It's crazy to me that the

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>crane was left intacting, that the canvas was even on

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it still, that was really weird. Um. There was a

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>two thousand pounds stone that was up on the cliff

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that slid down. Uh. And then I believe the railway

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>tracks were even torn up from the concrete. And then

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the grass at the top of the cliff, this is

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>two ft up at the very top, was ripped up

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>as far back as thirty feet from the edge. That's

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>uts Like, do you know how much force a wave

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>would have to have to tear up grass in the

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>first place, and then that thing would have to be

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>over two ft tall to even reach that grass. That's

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a bad storm. It's a monster wave. But the storm

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 1>part that's that kind of confounds things big time. Uh.

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think we should take another break and we'll

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about how everything is just so confounded still to

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>this day, which is why this is a mystery. Right

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>after this, all right, we've got this mystery brewing. These

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>three men are missing. It's pretty clear that there was

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a big storm that blew through there. So, like I

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, the obvious explanation was these strong windsters came

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>along and just blew these guys the heck off this

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>island and they were never seen again. That's not entirely

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>out of the question because of the butt of Lewis.

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Strong winds flow from the butt of Lewis.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>As everyone knows. Um, and I'm twelve years old. Robert Muirhead,

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>he was a superintendent of lighthouses and he investigated this disappearance.

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.959
<v Speaker 1>He knew all these guys, uh, some really really well,

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>but I think the occasional keeper he knew the least.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But he still knew pretty well. Um. He's the one

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that did this investigation personally, uh, and went out there

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>wrote up this report. And I think he was the

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>last person he was out there, you know, because it

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was a new lighthouse, I guess sort of finishing up.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if he christian it or whatever,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>but he was one of the last, in fact, maybe

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the last person to even see them alive. Right. He

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>says in his report that he's probably the last person

0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to shake hands with these men and see them alive

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>when he shoved off on December seven, when the last

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>relief ship, the previous release ship had come along, alright,

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>So his in his official report, he said, I don't

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.239
<v Speaker 1>think it was a strong wind that literally blew them

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>off the island. It was blowing westerly that day, and

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that means it would have blown them back inland towards

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the island. And there's no way that these guys would

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>have blown completely across the whole face of the island

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>off the other side, because they know what to do.

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>They know to drop and get flat and hold on,

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and they probably would not have been blown all the

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>way off if it was westerly. They need to stop

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>drop and do not roll. You don't roll, please, don't roll.

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Not in that case. Grab something heavy, yeah, anything, a sheep, whatever,

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>anything that will keep you from being blown off. But

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>that's just nuts. It shows you how windy it is

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>up there. That that was a possibility that mir Head

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>considered and was plausible enough that he had to at

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>least put it in the report as a possibility. That's right.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 1>The one that he focused on that most people who

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>UM think in level headed ways kind of agree with

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>two is that Um, instead, a wave probably came along

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and knocked these men off. Yeah, I mean this one.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:26.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm an amateur when it comes to like figuring out

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>island Scottish Island mysteries and weather. This one makes a

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of sense to me. Yeah, totally agree. So being

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>blown away by when sounds kind of nuts unless you

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.760
<v Speaker 1>think about it, and in which case it's not super nuts.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>In this instance, at least, there were more, UM slightly

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>nuttier explanations. And like the thing is, you can't fully

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>discount any one of these because the men's bodies were

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>never found, so there was never any conclusive proof of

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened, even still to this day. UM and some

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of the likelier, less likely scenarios seemed to always focus

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>on Donald MacArthur UM, who was supposedly a bit of

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a hothead, quick to fist kind of dude. UM, not

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>necessarily the kind of occasional keeper you'd want to have

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>on rotation for two weeks with you. But that's that's

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>what a lot of these secondary theories kind of presupposed.

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>He would have been the Willem Dafoe, right, I guess? So, yeah,

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I kind of imagine him as such. He had a

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>got the story from this, didn't he? I don't know.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. I don't know. I'd have to watch it

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>again now that I know that. I hadn't even heard

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of this story when I saw the lighthouse, so I, um,

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I need to watch it again and see see what

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I think. I'm gonna do some research on that. I

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 1>doubt if he like based it on this, but I

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be surprised if it triggered the idea or something.

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>All right, So he, uh, MacArthur was, like he said,

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 1>a tough guy, a hothead, and he of course there's

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna expect relation that he started a fight and they

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>all got in a big fight and they all fell

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 1>off the cliff together, or maybe he murdered these two

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>guys and then knew what his come upance would be

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and flung himself off the cliffs himself and sort of

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>a murder suicide situation. Yeah, again, it's plausible, like some

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>people can go nuts, like especially an extreme isolation kind

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 1>of thing, but there's just no evidence whatsoever of any

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of fight. It's possible to fight started entirely outside,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 1>but it just doesn't satisfy all of the evidence, right,

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Like the the guy who's um

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>weather proof coats, We're still there was Donald MacArthur. So

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>why would he start a fight outside? And whether that

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>was bad enough that his his comrades would put on

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>their weather gear, right, or maybe when it comes to

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>fight and you don't want that raincoat on, I guess

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe you found it restrictive. That's entirely possible too, But

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that's again as far as like the secondary kind of

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>paran theories go, those make a lot more sense. The

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>other ones sister much more squarely in the realm of paranormal. Yeah,

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you could say that the outer Hebrides are home of

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the Kelpie, and the Kelpie is a water spirit, a

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 1>shape shifting water spirit that drowns human victims. But there

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>are two problems with this one that is not real

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>and too even if it was real, let's just do

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a thought experiment. Everyone knows that the Kelpies are not

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>seaside dwellers. They are inland at the locks. They're not

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>known to frequent the the seaside. They don't like that saltwater. No,

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>so the Kelpies probably did not kill these men and

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>cart them away. Uh, there's more supernatural they're right. Yeah.

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>The the island being named after St. Flannon and that

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>ruined chapel being there, and the idea that the um

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the locals just kind of view that island is a

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 1>weird place. There was this one author, a supernatural like

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Fortian type author um who came along and said, all right,

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I've got it. Everybody ready for this. So the the

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the locals think that this place is kind of inhabited

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>by spirits. I'm guessing that the Pagans who used to

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>live here sacrificed people on this island, and that the

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>gods came to be used to a certain type of sacrifice,

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and that with the Northern Lighthouse Board installed these three

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>men in a tower on island more and the gods

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>mistook it as a sacrifice, so they took their sacrifice,

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's what happened to the three men. It's I

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>think skipped over the best part of this whole thing, though.

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>It was an ancient race of tiny people. Well so

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell if that guy made that part up

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>or if that is actually a local belief, but yeah,

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>that was part of it too. How small were they?

0:38:55.560 --> 0:39:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly they found small bones that seemingly belonged to humans,

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.439
<v Speaker 1>and so there was a race of tiny people who

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>supposedly lived there before. But are we talking like, are

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 1>they the size of a of a sea rat or

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a like two or three feet tall person? And my

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Scottish I don't know, all right, I was just curious

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a sea rat. It was tiny. That's a very tiny,

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>tiny person pagan. But I think that's really interesting, the

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>idea that the gods mistook the lighthouse keepers as a

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>human sacrifice, that's what happened to him. I love that one.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like a big wicker man or something. Yes, exactly.

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly the point that God was making. Alright,

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>So those those are obviously all bunk um. What probably

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>really happened is as follows, And I think this is

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a pretty plausible. I think this is pretty plausible. Was

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>but even still, it's still astounding. If you step back

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>and look at it. Yeah, and well, and there's no

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>way to prove it. So it's it's kind of like

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>these mysteries where you just don't know, you know. So

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>here's what could have happened. Is that, uh, there was

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>bad weather reported, but it wasn't maybe that bad on um.

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 1>But let's say that that box uh is is looser, Well,

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I gonna get loose. Let's say that box needs tending

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to this holding all this stuff. It's an important box,

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>don't forget. It's an important box. And I think Marshall

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>had previously been fined what would be about twenty pounds

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 1>today for having lost some equipment, so he may have

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 1>been like really quick to like, hey, we got to

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 1>secure that box. And so maybe Ducott and Marshall went

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>out there two like they left their quarters while uh,

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the other dude, the occasional keeper MacArthur, is up there

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in the lighthouse still and they're securing this box down

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe this freak uh wave comes through, or

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe they just get in trouble and then MacArthur needs

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to really leave quickly, which would explain why they did

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>have their rain gear on and MacArthur didn't because MacArthur

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>had to leave really quickly to go down there and

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.720
<v Speaker 1>help these guys. Yes, so like that, that definitely checks

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>all the boxes. That after that MacArthur was swept away

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>as well. But the thing is is, like that, that

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>supposes something really amazing, Chuck, that there was a freak

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>wave that the men just did not expect that carried

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>at least one of them away. The second one who

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>survived that wave ran back to get help from MacArthur

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to help get the first guy who went in, and

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>a second freak wave washed those two away, just cleaning

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the island of its human inhabitants. And two swift waves

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>over the course of a minute or two. Because the

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>idea is that the storm wasn't bad enough to just

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>sweep them all away. Yeah, and the act had to

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>be a rogue wave, right, and the steamer the actor

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>noted that there you because the actor passed by just

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a few hours, a couple of hours probably after this

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>event happened, and they noted that it was calm but stormy,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>which is the opposite of what you would think. You

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>would think it was not stormy which would draw the

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>men out to to make them, I mean stormy enough

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that they needed to secure the box, but not so

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>stormy that they they felt like it couldn't go out.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 1>But calm really kind of makes it. The idea of

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 1>two freak waves really freaky, because that would mean that

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 1>those waves just came out of nowhere and swallowed the

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 1>men up. But in the whole, I mean, we did

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>an episode on rogue waves, and the idea is that

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that it's a wave or was there a set of

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>rogue waves? I think, if I remember correctly, it was

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>a wave. But that's what I think. Maybe maybe there

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 1>was more I don't know, but yes, that that that's

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.879
<v Speaker 1>how this That's the only way that could happen is

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>because MacArthur wasn't wearing his rain gear, which suggests that

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 1>he ran out in a hurry into bad weather, which

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>means that one of them would have had to have

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 1>come and gotten him. He wouldn't have been there with

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the other two. So it could not have just been

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.359
<v Speaker 1>one freak wave. It would have had to have been

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>two successive freak waves that cleared all three well, and

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 1>this does um lends some credence to the idea that

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this thing was big enough to damage the turf, you know,

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.920
<v Speaker 1>two feet above sea level and destroy that box and

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 1>washed that two thousand pounds stone down the cliff too, right, Yeah,

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And there was also there's a there's a chance that

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff that that just was evidence of a

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>terrible storm actually came after the men had been washed

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>away from the island several days later, when there was

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 1>a really bad storm. Okay, that makes sense. I didn't

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 1>think about that, didn't that weird? Did think that that

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>damage had happened after the after the fact, right? It?

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Sure that makes sense because it's almost certain that they

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that this event happened on December fifteenth. The last info

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>they had on the log slate was nine am December fifte,

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like we said, so couldn't have happened earlier than that,

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and it would have happened before dark on December fift

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>which would have happened about four pm, because otherwise they

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>would have lit the light that night and the steamer

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>actor would have seen the light in the lighthouse as

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it passed by on December That's right. I think all

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>this gets really interesting in the nineteen fifties, when a

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 1>lighthouseman named Robert Aldibert, who worked there, served as principal

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:34.479
<v Speaker 1>keeper between fifty three and fifty seven. He lived there

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>obviously had a little time on his hands, and was

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>really enthralled by this mystery. And it was like, I'm

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna do some research and I'm gonna take a lot

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of pictures and do keep a lot of records in

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>my diary. And uh he said that, you know, I've

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I was in the lighthouse itself and got and so

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that's how many feet above sea level they at, ye,

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 1>like two hundred close to three dred feet up and

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 1>got sa spray from some waves. So he's like, it's

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>very possible that a big wave could come through and

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 1>reach these heights. Yeah, he did test where he took

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>coils of rope and put them on the top of

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the cliff and they get washed away by some of

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 1>those horrible waves. So he basically said it was almost

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>certainly a wave that got these guys. That's not the

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>craziest part. The craziest part is it was two waves,

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 1>almost like the sea was waiting for all three of

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.919
<v Speaker 1>them and took them all. It's pretty weird. I wonder

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>if he got fined for losing those ropes. I don't know,

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe so if the if, the if, it's the Northern

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 1>White House Board. I know he definitely did well and

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he what was his final ex because he's the one

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that we mentioned earlier that said that, uh that the

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>one of the chairs was turned over in the kitchen,

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.439
<v Speaker 1>right Like he kind of bought into that. Yeah, false narrative. Yeah,

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.359
<v Speaker 1>but I wonder because this is a good you know,

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>forty years after that poem had been written, maybe it

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>was so woven into the story by then he just

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 1>presumed that it was true or not. So how that

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>comes in is he's basically like, all right, or dinner happens, um,

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>like there's bad weather going on. These two guys go

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>out there, uh in our in our see this doesn't

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>make sense to me, and I'll tell you why in

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a second. But these two guys go out there to

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>secure this box or whatever, uh cookies back in there,

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>washing up and cleaning up, and that's where everything is

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>nice and tidy, and then all of a sudden they

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>need help, and so he turns the chair over because

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 1>he just like runs out of there real quick. But

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't that be wouldn't someone have to be in the

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>light too, isn't that four guys? No, that's why they

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>think that this happened in the afternoon of the because

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>they never went to light the light. They hadn't remember

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 1>the light was all set up and ready to be

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it was daytime, yes, it was before. It was before sunset,

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>which would have been before four pm. All right, that's

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the one part I didn't get. I get it now,

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>flight House shine at night. I never got that part

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>when I wrote my movie, everything takes place during the day, right,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I left the mainland for this. You got anything else?

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff? No? I like a good mystery. You're good

0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 1>at finding these, man. I love this one, so thank

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you very much. Um. Yes, well, if you want to

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>know more about the Flann and Niles mystery, go read

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Mike Dashes work on it. It's really interesting stuff. It's

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty comprehensive too. Uh. And since I said it's pretty comprehensive, everybody,

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 1>that means it's time for a listener mail. I thought

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 1>this is really interesting. This is a follow up to

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dingoes episode about Dingo is not really barking much.

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Hey guys. In response to the statement that dingoes don't bark,

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you left out a very fun fact and perhaps the

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>topic for another show. While domesticated dogs bark throughout their lifetimes.

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Wild adult dogs do not routinely bark. One popular theory

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>is that domesticated dogs were bred for tamenus, which, as

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a result, selected for dogs that never reached full maturity.

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>The upshot of this is that our domesticated dogs are

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>trapped in a state of suspended adolescence. There more or

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>less trapped in puppyhood, an age where all dogs wild

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and domestic, bark, play, lick, and most important of all,

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.280
<v Speaker 1>don't kill, which is an important trait for the family

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>pet uh And sent an article from Tampa Bay dot

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<v Speaker 1>com Why Dogs, Why do dogs Bark? From I Love

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<v Speaker 1>the show? That is from Peter Vonnier v O n

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I e er Bonnier. Yeah, either one of those will work,

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 1>depending on whether you're in France or not. Uh And.

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Peter is a PhD in owl oncology research, also with

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>an interest in dog barking. Sounds like Peter just is

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.879
<v Speaker 1>interested in stuff, which is our favorite kind of listening. Yes,

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>there is a diet in the world. Stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know a listener. Thanks a lot, Peter, that was a

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>very interesting email and we appreciate it. Belated congratulations on

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.600
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<v Speaker 1>You surely can. Then you might get a response even up,

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