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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant over there, and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: out here too. So since the gang's all here, the

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Speaker 1: three of us alone on a deserted aisle, stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know? Can I mention a couple of things here?

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Speaker 1: I think you should. I want to pre apologize to

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Speaker 1: our Scottish listeners, whom we love. We we toured in Scotland,

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Speaker 1: had a great time, one of our best live shows

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Speaker 1: in the beautiful city of Edinburgh. Yes, wonderful. People love

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Speaker 1: the Scots. But we are going to butcher some of

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Speaker 1: these names. And I apologize that. Yeah, we're sorry. Uh

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Speaker 1: and what was the other thing? Oh? The other thing

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Speaker 1: was it's impossible to talk about the Flannon Aisles Lighthouse

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Speaker 1: mystery and research it without almost always thinking about the

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Speaker 1: movie The Lighthouse. Uh. Yeah, and actually it comes up

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Speaker 1: a lot in the research too. Yeah. I think one

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Speaker 1: reason is because it's clear that, oh, what's the guy's

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Speaker 1: name he made it? I can't think of his name.

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Speaker 1: It's not William Ker's. Well, it's definitely not Dave Aggers.

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Speaker 1: It's an Egger's right. Yeah, I'm pretty Robert, I think

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Speaker 1: Robert Kay, Robert Aggers, Okay, yes, uh, he clearly did

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Speaker 1: his research. Uh. And you know, I remember when that

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Speaker 1: movie came out. I spoke on the show that I

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Speaker 1: wrote a movie, a period movie about a lighthouse and

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Speaker 1: a murder that takes place, and then the movie The

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Speaker 1: Lighthouse came out, and I was like, so much for that. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I did a lot of research at the time,

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Speaker 1: and it was clear that Eggers did a lot of

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Speaker 1: research because it was a very accurate film. Especially when

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Speaker 1: you read and research the Flannin Isisles Lighthouse mystery, You're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's like from the movie, and that's like from the movie.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they mentioned it in the movie. I didn't go

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Speaker 1: back and watch it again, but I saw something really

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Speaker 1: that they make a reference to the mystery in the movie.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, I thought so too. Yeah, man, I can't

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Speaker 1: wait for that Viking movie to come out. Me too.

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Speaker 1: And this made me want to see The Lighthouse again,

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Speaker 1: which I didn't think I wanted to do, but now

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Speaker 1: I do the same. Here. So, um, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about one particular lighthouse called the Flannin Isles lighthouse, and

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Speaker 1: it was located on one island in the Flanning Isles

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Speaker 1: called Island More. Uh, that's not exactly like Chuck was

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Speaker 1: saying the Scottish pronunciation scott Gaelic um, but it's close

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Speaker 1: enough and it actually means in English. I guess the

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Speaker 1: More island right, Okay, So anyway, that's where this lighthouse

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Speaker 1: is and and it's situated. It's still there today. It's

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Speaker 1: automated though it went automated in but um, it's it's

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Speaker 1: which is the high point of Island More. And that

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Speaker 1: a pretty good place for a lighthouse because this area

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Speaker 1: of Scotland is kind of treacherous for ships. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's important how high this one was. It figures into

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Speaker 1: there are big winds in Scotland, especially out there on

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Speaker 1: Butt of Lewis. Come on, I'm serious, but it makes

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Speaker 1: Lewis is a nearby island, um, which is inhabited in

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Speaker 1: They're pretty remote, they're pretty isolated. They are indeed windy,

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Speaker 1: stuff in their own betty by And that was the standard.

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Speaker 1: But for a place like Um Island more where the

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Speaker 1: an occasional, you were there for two weeks. That's how

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Speaker 1: Who were permanently stay temporarily stationed there for much longer

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Speaker 1: Chuck was that, you know, when you think about lighthouse keeping, like, yes,

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Speaker 1: You took it very very seriously. Um, so much so

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Speaker 1: fifteen yes, But I did a little more further math, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: I saw that. I thought that was pretty funny. So

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Speaker 1: That's how seriously they took it. Did you account for

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Speaker 1: leap years? Oh, Chuck, I just really wanted to drive

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Speaker 1: and it didn't get come across with fifteen instances fifty years.

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Speaker 1: that it's a very important job. Though. I love lighthouses.

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Speaker 1: it's allowed. So, who who done it? In your lighthouse mystery? Uh?

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Speaker 1: But where there's still like little jokes peppered as a sides,

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Speaker 1: this lighthouse back to the Flanton Isles lighthouse on Island More. Um,

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Speaker 1: Like we said that most of the Outer Hebrides are uninhabited.

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Speaker 1: on getting to the bottom of this, and he did

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00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: some stuff and basically finally definitively proved no. This was

426
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: added to it later on. This was added to it

427
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: later on. This is not true that kind of stuff.

428
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: So hats off to Mike Dash for demystifying a lot

429
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: of it true but also making it not as fun

430
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: because it's decidedly creepier with these newspaper stories as they

431
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: were written. Um. One of the newspaper stories talked about

432
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: the log book and this is completely fabricated, you know,

433
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: like Mike Dash exposed it as fabrication, but it's still

434
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: pretty creepy. Uh. The log entries, uh in the fake

435
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: log entries were by second well not buy a second assistant, Marshall,

436
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: but this is how they wrote it, uh, and wrote

437
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: on December twelve, they saw severe winds the likes of

438
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: which I've never seen before in twenty years, and wrote,

439
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: and these are these are people that have seen some

440
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: of the worst storms you could imagine out there on

441
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: these outer islands, and pretty unshakable guys, I would think,

442
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: and he said he wrote in the next two days

443
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: that the storm continued. It was so unbearable that Ducat,

444
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: the principal keeper, uh was uh struck mute by the storm.

445
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: And the occasional keeper MacArthur, who was supposedly a really

446
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: tough guy was recorded as weeping uncontrollably for days because

447
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: of how bad the storm was. Yeah, it's good stuff,

448
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: It is good stuff, but Mike Dash made mince meat

449
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: out of it, and he's kind of my hero for it.

450
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that he basically just points out

451
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: is if if this were an official log book, if

452
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: you were a second assistant, you put that in there,

453
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: you would you would basically get fired for that kind

454
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: of thing, Like, that's not what a log book is for,

455
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: and you certainly wouldn't put that your superior was weeping

456
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: uncontrollably in the log book, Like that's just not what

457
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: you would put in a log book for the for

458
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: in the first case. And then secondly, he also said

459
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: that somebody being quiet um because of a storm or

460
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: whatever um or their mood, like it also kind of

461
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: mentions their mood a lot too, that that would have

462
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: no bearing on anything. And the only way that that

463
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: makes sense in relation to the story is after the fact,

464
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: which he said, obviously that means that those were written

465
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: after the fact. And then years later, after he'd first

466
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: investigated it, he he finally turned up a copy of

467
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: the magazine that this uh came out in in ne

468
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: and it was like a like a pulp magazine called

469
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: like True Confessions or something like that. So he definitely

470
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: he definitely deconstructed that for sure, to my great satisfaction.

471
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's kind of funny though, like

472
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: the log book was basically like your diary. That's exactly right,

473
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: he said, like log books were not diaries. But he

474
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: actually specifically said that, Yeah, that's funny. The other thing

475
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: he uncovered or did he uncover the poem or was

476
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: that just I think that was a little more common knowledge.

477
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, he wrote about the poem being the poem too. Okay.

478
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: So in nine twelve there was a poem by Wilfred

479
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: Wilson Gibson who wrote a poem about this mystery where, uh,

480
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: he says, there was an untouched meal on the table,

481
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: cold meat, pickles and potatoes. The kitchen chair was was

482
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: knocked over. The only sign of life was the keeper's

483
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: canary half starving on a spurch. Like these are all

484
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: the things that you mentioned would have made this a

485
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: different story, but everything was really just fine. I don't

486
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: even think the chair was turned over, right, Uh the

487
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the guy later on Well,

488
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: we'll get to him. Yeah, the way that Mike Dash

489
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: treated it is um that it's possible. Okay, I don't

490
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: know if Mike Dash treated it like that way. Mike

491
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: Dash wrote about a later guy who will talk about

492
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: who treated it as facts, So I don't. I don't.

493
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: I think with the upshot of it is that in

494
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: doing like this research on primary resources, like what what

495
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: Joseph Moore wrote, Um, what Robert Muirhead who will talk

496
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: about wrote, these people who were actually there when it

497
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: happened or right after it happened, Um, that nobody mentioned

498
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: anything like a turned over chair, And based on what

499
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: they did mention, it seemed like they probably would have

500
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: mentioned it turned over chair. They were so meticulous in

501
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: the details. All right, Well, let's talk about some of

502
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: the evidence that was there, because what we're really talking

503
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: about is was there I mean, the kind of obvious

504
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: thing you would think about is was there some big

505
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: storm that that watched these guys away forever? Like That's

506
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: kind of the one reasonable explanation. And so as far

507
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: as evidence goes, most of it is storm related. Uh.

508
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: For the you know, to to sort of support that

509
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: and to go against it, um, was a railway that

510
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: we talked about, and that had a crane, and the

511
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: crane was sort of you know, built to help unload

512
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: things off of this platform, off the cargo, uh container.

513
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: And it was about seventy feet above sea level. And

514
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: it was fine. It was it even still had the

515
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: canvas wrapped around it. Uh So, if there was some

516
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: big storm and an evidence shows there probably was one, right,

517
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: but at least this crane seventy feet up wasn't damaged

518
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: and that canvas was still there, which is a little weird.

519
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: It is a little weird because even a little higher

520
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: up towards the top of the cliff. So this the

521
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: crane was at about seventy ft above sea level, right, Yeah,

522
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: a little higher up than that, at about a hundred

523
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: and ten ft above sea level. There was a box,

524
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: a big box that held a lot of like mooring

525
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: ropes and ropes for the crane and just some really

526
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: important stuff tackle and it had been busted open and

527
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: the contents like strewn all down the cliff face. There

528
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: was a buoy that was tied to the railing right

529
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: around the same place as that crate a hundred and

530
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: ten feet above sea level. It had been torn clean

531
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: away from the ropes that had lashed it to the railing.

532
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: The ropes were still there, but the buoy, just a

533
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: little piece of buoy was left attached to it. Uh.

534
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: And yet the crane was intact. And then even weirder,

535
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: the the iron railings around the crane um that you

536
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: would use as handrails, had just been completely twisted and

537
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: wrenched out of place. That's a heck of a storm.

538
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: It's an amazing storm. It's crazy to me that the

539
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: crane was left intacting, that the canvas was even on

540
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: it still, that was really weird. Um. There was a

541
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: two thousand pounds stone that was up on the cliff

542
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: that slid down. Uh. And then I believe the railway

543
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: tracks were even torn up from the concrete. And then

544
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: the grass at the top of the cliff, this is

545
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: two ft up at the very top, was ripped up

546
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: as far back as thirty feet from the edge. That's

547
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: uts Like, do you know how much force a wave

548
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: would have to have to tear up grass in the

549
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: first place, and then that thing would have to be

550
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: over two ft tall to even reach that grass. That's

551
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: a bad storm. It's a monster wave. But the storm

552
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: part that's that kind of confounds things big time. Uh.

553
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: And I think we should take another break and we'll

554
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: talk about how everything is just so confounded still to

555
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: this day, which is why this is a mystery. Right

556
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: after this, all right, we've got this mystery brewing. These

557
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: three men are missing. It's pretty clear that there was

558
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: a big storm that blew through there. So, like I

559
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: said earlier, the obvious explanation was these strong windsters came

560
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: along and just blew these guys the heck off this

561
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: island and they were never seen again. That's not entirely

562
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: out of the question because of the butt of Lewis.

563
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: That's right. Strong winds flow from the butt of Lewis.

564
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: As everyone knows. Um, and I'm twelve years old. Robert Muirhead,

565
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: he was a superintendent of lighthouses and he investigated this disappearance.

566
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: He knew all these guys, uh, some really really well,

567
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: but I think the occasional keeper he knew the least.

568
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: But he still knew pretty well. Um. He's the one

569
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: that did this investigation personally, uh, and went out there

570
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: wrote up this report. And I think he was the

571
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: last person he was out there, you know, because it

572
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: was a new lighthouse, I guess sort of finishing up.

573
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he christian it or whatever,

574
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: but he was one of the last, in fact, maybe

575
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the last person to even see them alive. Right. He

576
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: says in his report that he's probably the last person

577
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: to shake hands with these men and see them alive

578
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: when he shoved off on December seven, when the last

579
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: relief ship, the previous release ship had come along, alright,

580
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: So his in his official report, he said, I don't

581
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 1: think it was a strong wind that literally blew them

582
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: off the island. It was blowing westerly that day, and

583
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: that means it would have blown them back inland towards

584
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: the island. And there's no way that these guys would

585
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: have blown completely across the whole face of the island

586
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: off the other side, because they know what to do.

587
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: They know to drop and get flat and hold on,

588
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: and they probably would not have been blown all the

589
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: way off if it was westerly. They need to stop

590
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: drop and do not roll. You don't roll, please, don't roll.

591
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Not in that case. Grab something heavy, yeah, anything, a sheep, whatever,

592
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: anything that will keep you from being blown off. But

593
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: that's just nuts. It shows you how windy it is

594
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: up there. That that was a possibility that mir Head

595
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: considered and was plausible enough that he had to at

596
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: least put it in the report as a possibility. That's right.

597
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: The one that he focused on that most people who

598
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: UM think in level headed ways kind of agree with

599
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: two is that Um, instead, a wave probably came along

600
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: and knocked these men off. Yeah, I mean this one.

601
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 1: I'm an amateur when it comes to like figuring out

602
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: island Scottish Island mysteries and weather. This one makes a

603
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. Yeah, totally agree. So being

604
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: blown away by when sounds kind of nuts unless you

605
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: think about it, and in which case it's not super nuts.

606
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: In this instance, at least, there were more, UM slightly

607
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: nuttier explanations. And like the thing is, you can't fully

608
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: discount any one of these because the men's bodies were

609
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: never found, so there was never any conclusive proof of

610
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: what happened, even still to this day. UM and some

611
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: of the likelier, less likely scenarios seemed to always focus

612
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: on Donald MacArthur UM, who was supposedly a bit of

613
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: a hothead, quick to fist kind of dude. UM, not

614
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: necessarily the kind of occasional keeper you'd want to have

615
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: on rotation for two weeks with you. But that's that's

616
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: what a lot of these secondary theories kind of presupposed.

617
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: He would have been the Willem Dafoe, right, I guess? So, yeah,

618
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: I kind of imagine him as such. He had a

619
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: got the story from this, didn't he? I don't know.

620
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I don't know. I'd have to watch it

621
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: again now that I know that. I hadn't even heard

622
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: of this story when I saw the lighthouse, so I, um,

623
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: I need to watch it again and see see what

624
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: I think. I'm gonna do some research on that. I

625
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: doubt if he like based it on this, but I

626
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if it triggered the idea or something.

627
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: All right, So he, uh, MacArthur was, like he said,

628
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: a tough guy, a hothead, and he of course there's

629
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna expect relation that he started a fight and they

630
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: all got in a big fight and they all fell

631
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: off the cliff together, or maybe he murdered these two

632
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: guys and then knew what his come upance would be

633
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and flung himself off the cliffs himself and sort of

634
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: a murder suicide situation. Yeah, again, it's plausible, like some

635
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: people can go nuts, like especially an extreme isolation kind

636
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: of thing, but there's just no evidence whatsoever of any

637
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: sort of fight. It's possible to fight started entirely outside,

638
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't satisfy all of the evidence, right,

639
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like the the guy who's um

640
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: weather proof coats, We're still there was Donald MacArthur. So

641
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: why would he start a fight outside? And whether that

642
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: was bad enough that his his comrades would put on

643
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: their weather gear, right, or maybe when it comes to

644
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: fight and you don't want that raincoat on, I guess

645
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: maybe you found it restrictive. That's entirely possible too, But

646
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: that's again as far as like the secondary kind of

647
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: paran theories go, those make a lot more sense. The

648
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: other ones sister much more squarely in the realm of paranormal. Yeah,

649
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: you could say that the outer Hebrides are home of

650
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: the Kelpie, and the Kelpie is a water spirit, a

651
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: shape shifting water spirit that drowns human victims. But there

652
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: are two problems with this one that is not real

653
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: and too even if it was real, let's just do

654
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a thought experiment. Everyone knows that the Kelpies are not

655
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: seaside dwellers. They are inland at the locks. They're not

656
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: known to frequent the the seaside. They don't like that saltwater. No,

657
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: so the Kelpies probably did not kill these men and

658
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: cart them away. Uh, there's more supernatural they're right. Yeah.

659
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: The the island being named after St. Flannon and that

660
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: ruined chapel being there, and the idea that the um

661
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: the locals just kind of view that island is a

662
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: weird place. There was this one author, a supernatural like

663
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Fortian type author um who came along and said, all right,

664
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: I've got it. Everybody ready for this. So the the

665
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: the locals think that this place is kind of inhabited

666
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: by spirits. I'm guessing that the Pagans who used to

667
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: live here sacrificed people on this island, and that the

668
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: gods came to be used to a certain type of sacrifice,

669
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and that with the Northern Lighthouse Board installed these three

670
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: men in a tower on island more and the gods

671
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: mistook it as a sacrifice, so they took their sacrifice,

672
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: and that's what happened to the three men. It's I

673
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: think skipped over the best part of this whole thing, though.

674
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: It was an ancient race of tiny people. Well so

675
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell if that guy made that part up

676
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: or if that is actually a local belief, but yeah,

677
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: that was part of it too. How small were they?

678
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: Supposedly they found small bones that seemingly belonged to humans,

679
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: and so there was a race of tiny people who

680
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: supposedly lived there before. But are we talking like, are

681
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: they the size of a of a sea rat or

682
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: a like two or three feet tall person? And my

683
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: Scottish I don't know, all right, I was just curious

684
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: a sea rat. It was tiny. That's a very tiny,

685
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: tiny person pagan. But I think that's really interesting, the

686
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: idea that the gods mistook the lighthouse keepers as a

687
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: human sacrifice, that's what happened to him. I love that one.

688
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: It's like a big wicker man or something. Yes, exactly.

689
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly the point that God was making. Alright,

690
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: So those those are obviously all bunk um. What probably

691
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: really happened is as follows, And I think this is

692
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: a pretty plausible. I think this is pretty plausible. Was

693
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: but even still, it's still astounding. If you step back

694
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: and look at it. Yeah, and well, and there's no

695
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: way to prove it. So it's it's kind of like

696
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: these mysteries where you just don't know, you know. So

697
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: here's what could have happened. Is that, uh, there was

698
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: bad weather reported, but it wasn't maybe that bad on um.

699
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: But let's say that that box uh is is looser, Well,

700
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: I gonna get loose. Let's say that box needs tending

701
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: to this holding all this stuff. It's an important box,

702
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: don't forget. It's an important box. And I think Marshall

703
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: had previously been fined what would be about twenty pounds

704
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: today for having lost some equipment, so he may have

705
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: been like really quick to like, hey, we got to

706
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: secure that box. And so maybe Ducott and Marshall went

707
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: out there two like they left their quarters while uh,

708
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: the other dude, the occasional keeper MacArthur, is up there

709
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: in the lighthouse still and they're securing this box down

710
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: and then maybe this freak uh wave comes through, or

711
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: maybe they just get in trouble and then MacArthur needs

712
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to really leave quickly, which would explain why they did

713
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: have their rain gear on and MacArthur didn't because MacArthur

714
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: had to leave really quickly to go down there and

715
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: help these guys. Yes, so like that, that definitely checks

716
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: all the boxes. That after that MacArthur was swept away

717
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: as well. But the thing is is, like that, that

718
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: supposes something really amazing, Chuck, that there was a freak

719
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: wave that the men just did not expect that carried

720
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: at least one of them away. The second one who

721
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: survived that wave ran back to get help from MacArthur

722
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: to help get the first guy who went in, and

723
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: a second freak wave washed those two away, just cleaning

724
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: the island of its human inhabitants. And two swift waves

725
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: over the course of a minute or two. Because the

726
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: idea is that the storm wasn't bad enough to just

727
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: sweep them all away. Yeah, and the act had to

728
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: be a rogue wave, right, and the steamer the actor

729
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: noted that there you because the actor passed by just

730
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a few hours, a couple of hours probably after this

731
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: event happened, and they noted that it was calm but stormy,

732
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: which is the opposite of what you would think. You

733
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: would think it was not stormy which would draw the

734
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: men out to to make them, I mean stormy enough

735
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: that they needed to secure the box, but not so

736
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: stormy that they they felt like it couldn't go out.

737
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: But calm really kind of makes it. The idea of

738
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: two freak waves really freaky, because that would mean that

739
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: those waves just came out of nowhere and swallowed the

740
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: men up. But in the whole, I mean, we did

741
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: an episode on rogue waves, and the idea is that

742
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: that it's a wave or was there a set of

743
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: rogue waves? I think, if I remember correctly, it was

744
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: a wave. But that's what I think. Maybe maybe there

745
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: was more I don't know, but yes, that that that's

746
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: how this That's the only way that could happen is

747
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: because MacArthur wasn't wearing his rain gear, which suggests that

748
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: he ran out in a hurry into bad weather, which

749
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: means that one of them would have had to have

750
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: come and gotten him. He wouldn't have been there with

751
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: the other two. So it could not have just been

752
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: one freak wave. It would have had to have been

753
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: two successive freak waves that cleared all three well, and

754
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: this does um lends some credence to the idea that

755
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: this thing was big enough to damage the turf, you know,

756
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: two feet above sea level and destroy that box and

757
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: washed that two thousand pounds stone down the cliff too, right, Yeah,

758
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: And there was also there's a there's a chance that

759
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff that that just was evidence of a

760
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: terrible storm actually came after the men had been washed

761
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: away from the island several days later, when there was

762
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: a really bad storm. Okay, that makes sense. I didn't

763
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: think about that, didn't that weird? Did think that that

764
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: damage had happened after the after the fact, right? It?

765
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Sure that makes sense because it's almost certain that they

766
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: that this event happened on December fifteenth. The last info

767
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: they had on the log slate was nine am December fifte,

768
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: like we said, so couldn't have happened earlier than that,

769
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: and it would have happened before dark on December fift

770
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: which would have happened about four pm, because otherwise they

771
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: would have lit the light that night and the steamer

772
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: actor would have seen the light in the lighthouse as

773
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: it passed by on December That's right. I think all

774
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: this gets really interesting in the nineteen fifties, when a

775
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: lighthouseman named Robert Aldibert, who worked there, served as principal

776
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: keeper between fifty three and fifty seven. He lived there

777
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: obviously had a little time on his hands, and was

778
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: really enthralled by this mystery. And it was like, I'm

779
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: gonna do some research and I'm gonna take a lot

780
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: of pictures and do keep a lot of records in

781
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: my diary. And uh he said that, you know, I've

782
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: I was in the lighthouse itself and got and so

783
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: that's how many feet above sea level they at, ye,

784
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: like two hundred close to three dred feet up and

785
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: got sa spray from some waves. So he's like, it's

786
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: very possible that a big wave could come through and

787
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: reach these heights. Yeah, he did test where he took

788
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: coils of rope and put them on the top of

789
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: the cliff and they get washed away by some of

790
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: those horrible waves. So he basically said it was almost

791
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: certainly a wave that got these guys. That's not the

792
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: craziest part. The craziest part is it was two waves,

793
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: almost like the sea was waiting for all three of

794
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: them and took them all. It's pretty weird. I wonder

795
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: if he got fined for losing those ropes. I don't know,

796
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: maybe so if the if, the if, it's the Northern

797
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: White House Board. I know he definitely did well and

798
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: he what was his final ex because he's the one

799
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: that we mentioned earlier that said that, uh that the

800
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: one of the chairs was turned over in the kitchen,

801
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: right Like he kind of bought into that. Yeah, false narrative. Yeah,

802
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: but I wonder because this is a good you know,

803
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: forty years after that poem had been written, maybe it

804
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: was so woven into the story by then he just

805
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: presumed that it was true or not. So how that

806
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: comes in is he's basically like, all right, or dinner happens, um,

807
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: like there's bad weather going on. These two guys go

808
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: out there, uh in our in our see this doesn't

809
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: make sense to me, and I'll tell you why in

810
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: a second. But these two guys go out there to

811
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: secure this box or whatever, uh cookies back in there,

812
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: washing up and cleaning up, and that's where everything is

813
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: nice and tidy, and then all of a sudden they

814
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: need help, and so he turns the chair over because

815
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: he just like runs out of there real quick. But

816
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be wouldn't someone have to be in the

817
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: light too, isn't that four guys? No, that's why they

818
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: think that this happened in the afternoon of the because

819
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: they never went to light the light. They hadn't remember

820
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: the light was all set up and ready to be

821
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: it was daytime, yes, it was before. It was before sunset,

822
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: which would have been before four pm. All right, that's

823
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: the one part I didn't get. I get it now,

824
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: flight House shine at night. I never got that part

825
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: when I wrote my movie, everything takes place during the day, right,

826
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: I left the mainland for this. You got anything else?

827
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Good stuff? No? I like a good mystery. You're good

828
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: at finding these, man. I love this one, so thank

829
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: you very much. Um. Yes, well, if you want to

830
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: know more about the Flann and Niles mystery, go read

831
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: Mike Dashes work on it. It's really interesting stuff. It's

832
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: pretty comprehensive too. Uh. And since I said it's pretty comprehensive, everybody,

833
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: that means it's time for a listener mail. I thought

834
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: this is really interesting. This is a follow up to

835
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: the Dingoes episode about Dingo is not really barking much.

836
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: Hey guys. In response to the statement that dingoes don't bark,

837
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: you left out a very fun fact and perhaps the

838
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: topic for another show. While domesticated dogs bark throughout their lifetimes.

839
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Wild adult dogs do not routinely bark. One popular theory

840
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: is that domesticated dogs were bred for tamenus, which, as

841
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: a result, selected for dogs that never reached full maturity.

842
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: The upshot of this is that our domesticated dogs are

843
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: trapped in a state of suspended adolescence. There more or

844
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: less trapped in puppyhood, an age where all dogs wild

845
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: and domestic, bark, play, lick, and most important of all,

846
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: don't kill, which is an important trait for the family

847
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: pet uh And sent an article from Tampa Bay dot

848
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: com Why Dogs, Why do dogs Bark? From I Love

849
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the show? That is from Peter Vonnier v O n

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Speaker 1: I e er Bonnier. Yeah, either one of those will work,

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Speaker 1: depending on whether you're in France or not. Uh And.

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Speaker 1: Peter is a PhD in owl oncology research, also with

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Speaker 1: an interest in dog barking. Sounds like Peter just is

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Speaker 1: interested in stuff, which is our favorite kind of listening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: know a listener. Thanks a lot, Peter, that was a

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Speaker 1: very interesting email and we appreciate it. Belated congratulations on

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Speaker 1: your PhD. If you want to get in touch with

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Speaker 1: us like Peter did. You can send us an email, right, Chuck,

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