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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Drive to the Draft Podcast, We've

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Speaker 1: got running backs and Jason, you're gonna love r list.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of anti climactic, but there's one guy

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Speaker 3: at the top you're gonna like us talking about.

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Speaker 1: And then we got a five round commanders mock and

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Speaker 1: we give you some new names, and I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be happy with who ticket seven.

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Speaker 2: I got a question, professor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that? It all starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I'm Jason Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Jessic Gay Jason, but I'm here with the Man, the myth,

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Speaker 2: the legend, ten year NFL VET tight end Logan, Paulson Logan.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you back in studio because you

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Speaker 2: went on a little vacation, went.

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Speaker 1: On a little vacation. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. I always

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Speaker 1: get a little uncomfortable you introduce him that way. But

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Speaker 1: that is like I was in the NFL for ten

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Speaker 1: years years. I always feel weird, Like when people start

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Speaker 2: It's weird. What did they say to become a master

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Speaker 2: you need a certain amount of hours. Yeah, you've logged

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Speaker 2: those hours again, those hours you're the master.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's I think the thing that's been

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Speaker 1: really interesting is like using that information and then like

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Speaker 1: it's just a fun process to have football in my

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that a lot of people can understand that,

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Speaker 2: because there are people that do their jobs. They do

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Speaker 2: it for so long that they get locked into it.

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example, like I've done producing

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Speaker 2: Maraine one.

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Speaker 1: Because it's just I will say, it's annoying. It seems

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Speaker 1: the rest of the production team because you're like, man,

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Speaker 2: You're life, I should rephrase it this way, I should

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Speaker 1: And I'm just I'm in the office just watching. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Know, and we start nick picking on a like completely

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things you guys do. But

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Speaker 1: a really is that how football is for you? I see?

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Speaker 1: But I enjoy that part of the game, like you know,

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Speaker 2: I will say that now that I'm in my third

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Speaker 2: I'm a Penn State fan because my wife went to

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Speaker 1: But it is a little bit like, man, I just

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Speaker 2: And Vin Diesel five. Yeah, that's right, Furious five, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's get into actual draft stuff. A

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Speaker 2: couple of house cleeping things. At the end of this,

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Speaker 2: we're doing running backs this episode Top ten running backs.

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Speaker 2: At the end of it, we're doing a five round mock.

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Speaker 2: We're moving up from the three to the five now

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Speaker 2: that we're getting close to your drug, but we're sticking

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Speaker 2: then the episode after that is our seventh round mock draft,

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Speaker 2: Draft Nerd, Jeremy Green, Fred Smoot will join. It will

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Speaker 1: The we're never going to finish that show.

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Speaker 1: I think that'll be good because, like you know, Jeremy

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Speaker 2: Which I think is great. And you need all those

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I'm excited to have those type of conversations

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Speaker 2: my number ten is Emmitt Johnson from Sorry, from Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Seth McGowan from Kentucky for sure would have

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Speaker 2: So he's six foot two hundred and twenty three pounds,

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Speaker 2: he does have this lack of exclusiveness and runs, which

432
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Speaker 2: I don't know what causes that completely in the sense

433
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Speaker 2: of out of one hundred and sixty five carries, he

434
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Speaker 2: had only thirteen runs go over ten yards. So he's

435
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Speaker 2: not a home run hitter. That's just not what he is.

436
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to watch because he is. He's fast, like

437
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Speaker 1: he reminded me a little bit of like uh Foster,

438
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Speaker 1: Adrian Foster. Adrian Foster from Texas Or he used to

439
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Speaker 1: play for the Texans back of.

440
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Speaker 2: The day, Adrian Foster, and because he gets the kind of.

441
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Speaker 1: This upright, running, little forward lean and so I was

442
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Speaker 1: a little surprised there wasn't more explosive opportunities for me. Again,

443
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Speaker 1: the run game for Kentucky was a little bit messy,

444
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Speaker 1: which it is for some of these guys. We'll talk

445
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Speaker 1: about that. But I think there's a lot of high

446
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Speaker 1: upside here, just a high upside player for me, and

447
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Speaker 1: so I would be willing to take a fire on

448
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Speaker 1: him in the fourth round probably.

449
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Speaker 2: All right, now, I want to do your number nine

450
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Speaker 2: because he's not on my list because I had him

451
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Speaker 2: as a wide receiver. So this is.

452
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Speaker 1: Eli heyden Reich from Navy. And the reason I put

453
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Speaker 1: him here is because I went back and watched all

454
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Speaker 1: of his reps from the Shrine Bowl, watched all the

455
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Speaker 1: Combine reps. And to me, even though he could, I

456
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Speaker 1: think he played receiver. I didn't think he did play

457
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Speaker 1: receiver at Navy. He kind of played that wing back,

458
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Speaker 1: which you know, kind of is a tight end sometimes

459
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Speaker 1: a running back, sometimes receiver. Sometimes. I think his movement

460
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Speaker 1: style to me is running back. I don't think he's

461
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Speaker 1: a true receiver. And so I think the thing with

462
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Speaker 1: him that really comes to the forefront for me is

463
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Speaker 1: he catches the ball man exceptionally well. He like his ability.

464
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Speaker 1: He can run true receiver routes, he can wind up

465
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Speaker 1: in the backfield, you can run choices, he can run

466
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Speaker 1: angle routes. He adjusts the football well down the field.

467
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Speaker 1: He just feels like a really good mismatch weapon. I

468
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Speaker 1: think there is some development as a true runner, like

469
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Speaker 1: when you watch him at the Shrine Bowl, for example,

470
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Speaker 1: and he's getting some of these duos, like there is

471
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Speaker 1: some nice one cut ability you can find the crease

472
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best like contact balance and lower half strength,

473
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Speaker 1: so that I'm kind of like, what's your role at

474
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 1: the next level. You can be able to catch these footballs.

475
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Speaker 1: But the pass game upside for him to me is

476
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Speaker 1: through the roof. And again the explosive playability. Ran at

477
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Speaker 1: four to four six or seven at the combine and

478
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Speaker 1: looked fast and.

479
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Speaker 2: Six point two six.

480
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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing too is he is

481
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Speaker 1: competitively very tough, Like you watch him in the Navy offense,

482
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Speaker 1: like he's willing to block in space, He's willing to

483
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Speaker 1: block as a pass protector, He's blocking as a tight end,

484
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Speaker 1: sometimes with his hand on the ground, he's leading as

485
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Speaker 1: a full back like that. Again, that physical toughness and

486
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Speaker 1: character is something that I get fired up for. And

487
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Speaker 1: so that coupled with the pass game upside, coupled with

488
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Speaker 1: the role, like I think he's probably a special teams

489
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Speaker 1: maybe third down back at the start, but I think

490
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Speaker 1: can grow into more as you move.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know how much I like him? Yea,

492
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Speaker 2: Because in our in our guaranteed Baller's Draft that we

493
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Speaker 2: did with Fred, I took him. Fred went who and

494
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: I went, oh, you'll know his name? Yeah, Because I

495
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: honestly think he's going to find himself a role on

496
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Speaker 2: a team.

497
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Speaker 1: Now.

498
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's not going to be explosive his rookie year

499
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 2: in that sense, but I think a team's going to

500
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Speaker 2: pick him up. He's going to immediately be on special

501
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: teams because he's that football playing Johnny that's gonna do

502
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Speaker 2: whatever you want. There. It reminds me a little like

503
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Reeves in the sense of like he's just gonna

504
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Speaker 2: do I just yeah, I'm gonna do it, and I'm

505
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Speaker 2: going to do it fast and physical. And then he

506
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: did a little bit of everything at Navy. But he

507
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Speaker 2: did a little bit of everything. Well. It wasn't like

508
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Speaker 2: you're doing too much your spread a little thin, pick

509
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Speaker 2: one thing. It's like, no, he did all these things

510
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: very very well. There only one drop last year as

511
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Speaker 2: a receiver. He did come out of the backfield. I

512
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Speaker 2: think you even mentioned once before in one of our

513
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Speaker 2: very first pods this year. You're like, hey, I'm not

514
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Speaker 2: saying he's him, but he could be used like Kristian

515
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: McCaffrey that kind of he's not Christian McCaffery, But if

516
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Speaker 2: you wanted Kristian McCaffrey light, maybe this is your guy, right.

517
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Speaker 1: And I think and I still stand by that, when

518
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Speaker 1: you think about the way Kyle uses that running back

519
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Speaker 1: and the way he's able to create mismatches, it's very

520
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Speaker 1: rare you can find a running back who can run

521
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Speaker 1: a receiver route tree. Yeah, and he can do that, right.

522
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: He can run again the angles, the choices, but he

523
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Speaker 1: can also run posts and slants and corners. And think

524
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Speaker 1: about it, if I were to get ato empty or

525
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Speaker 1: he's running a route from the backfield, and like watching

526
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Speaker 1: him at the Shrine Bowl, like he's running corners on

527
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: linebackers and linebackers are totally lost. He's making one handed catches.

528
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Speaker 1: Like that receiver skill set is there, but I just

529
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Speaker 1: think as a mover, he's a little bit stiff, and

530
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Speaker 1: it I think instead of receiver, it lends itself to

531
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Speaker 1: running back. And I think if you can parlay that

532
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Speaker 1: into a quote unquote offensive weapon. And again, where he

533
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Speaker 1: gets drafted is going to be hugely impactful because like

534
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, oh, this role, of these opportunities,

535
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: these different ways to utilize him. You're not going to

536
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: do that unless you've made some type of investment in him, right,

537
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: and I think he warrants that investment because the football character,

538
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: of the toughness, it's all there. But if he goes,

539
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: if he gets drapped in the seventh round, like what

540
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: is that going to be? It could be pretty tough

541
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Speaker 1: for him.

542
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Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, I want to talk about Chip. Yeah,

543
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: all right, so this is Chip. He's in my Automobleventure anyway, Okay,

544
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Speaker 2: cool from Toledo five eleven, two twenty seven, and he's

545
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Speaker 2: on Feldman's freak list. He benched four fifteen squat six fifteen.

546
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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

547
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Speaker 2: He ran a four three forty pretty good and two

548
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Speaker 2: point two miles proud.

549
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Speaker 1: Not officially, that's that's from the Feld. That's right.

550
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Speaker 2: This is from the Feld, not officially because he didn't

551
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Speaker 2: run officially, at least not yet. If they had their

552
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Speaker 2: per day or whatever.

553
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen they have their pro day, I could

554
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Speaker 1: find a time for it.

555
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: But a four to three was what Feldman freaklist said

556
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: that he was clocked at at some point. He knows

557
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: when that was. Okay, but the point is he has

558
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: it shows Yeah, so he is that unique size and

559
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: speed combination here. So one cut hits the whole hard

560
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: and then takes off right. That's kind of what he is. Decent,

561
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: hands willing as a pass blocker. Okay, there are some

562
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: things here. Short area quickness isn't quite there. Breaking tackles

563
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: is tough. He's not super twitched up. I mean, there

564
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: are some things here that are like you really need

565
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: to work on some of these things, or maybe there

566
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: are limitations that you can overcome. But really intrigued by

567
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: that size and speed because very rarely do you have

568
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Speaker 2: that combination together. That's why I have him at nine

569
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: because I see something there, right, I see something with

570
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: the size and speed that we can we can figure

571
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Speaker 2: something out.

572
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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, and I think that, Yeah, the

573
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Speaker 1: size and speed definitely show up on tape. But I'm

574
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Speaker 1: glad you mentioned the breaking tackles thing, because I do

575
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Speaker 1: think for a guy that's five eleven two twenty seven,

576
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: he's not a hard tackle like he'll like he just

577
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: kind of goes down, not easily, but it's he he's

578
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: playing and they're playing toledos. They're not playing like big

579
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: power five schools or anything like that. The strength of

580
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: schedule stuff. The other thing too, is sometimes I feel

581
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: like his feel as a runner is a little bit funny.

582
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: Like there's times where he's behind the line of scrimmage

583
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: and we talked about Keante Black or Keon Black where

584
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: it's like I'm getting downhill, I'm attacking line of scrimmage.

585
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: There's that air, but I'm I'm forcing, I'm forcing a

586
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: positive run. And there's times where I feel like he's

587
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: just like stringing things out and I'm I'm waiting for

588
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: him to just be decisive, to to the whole or

589
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: to kind of make his own work.

590
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: And I literally wrote, He's meh, yeah for the whole,

591
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: like he sees he's like that, Yes, indecisiveness, like, eh,

592
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't like that hole. I'm like, so, yeah, like

593
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: you said, just hit it, let's go. You got the

594
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: size and speed, and for a guy that supposedly squat

595
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: six fifty, you would expect him to drag a couple

596
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: more guys with them. Yeah, he just really doesn't could

597
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: be a contact balance thing.

598
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's what it is. But again,

599
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I understand the athlete. I came away wanting more from

600
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: him as a for sure, in terms of being decisive

601
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: the whole, some of that short area creativeness that you

602
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: see from Seth McGowan or Black like those guys. And

603
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: so that's why he's just off my list. But the

604
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: size weight combination where you're kind of saying, hey, maybe

605
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: we can get him on the practice squad after drafting

606
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: him later and kind of letting him develop, letting him

607
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: feel what it means to be an NFL runner, I

608
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: think is something that I would kind of just keep

609
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: an eye on with him. But very very physically gifted.

610
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: It just doesn't always show up on tape.

611
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk about Jamari Taylor from Virginia.

612
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: He is my number seven, so I'm gonna do my seven,

613
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: six and five, and we'll start with Jamary Taylor.

614
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: Cool, Okay, we're gonna save Emmitt Johnson. I haven't done john.

615
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: I'm going to save Emma Johnson because he's up to

616
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Speaker 2: six and.

617
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: I haven't done Jonah call and I have him hire

618
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: a much Okay.

619
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Speaker 2: Okay, cool? So my seven is Jamari Taylor, then my

620
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: six is Mike Washington junior, and then my fifth is

621
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Speaker 2: room and Henby from Indiana. So, okay, you're seven, six

622
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: and five.

623
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Speaker 1: So we already did Kante Black right because you did

624
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: him down there, ye, But emmittt Johnson is my sixth.

625
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: Who is your ten? K Tron Allen from Penn State

626
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: is my five and that's good. That's alright right there.

627
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm gonna start with Jamari Taylor. He's the

628
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: running back from Virginia at five ten, one hundred and

629
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Speaker 2: ninety nine pounds two hundred pounds. He's a fifth year senior,

630
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: a first team All acc last year, one thousand yards

631
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: and fourteen touchdowns. He's got the production last year. I

632
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: think he's a really unique and interesting prospect. I texted

633
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: you about him last night. You're like, is there anybody

634
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: I should watch, I kind of like him. I think

635
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: he's aggressive, nice contact balance. He looks smart in the

636
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: sense of like he will wait for the right block

637
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: to open, but it's not indecisive. It's almost like I

638
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: know where the block should be, so I'm just gonna

639
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: hit it. And knowing my guy is gonna be there

640
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: is kind of how it felt. So I see him

641
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: starting to go, and when I watched like all twenty

642
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: two and I pause and freeze and just slowly it's like,

643
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: where's that hole? Both here comes your blocker that steals

644
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: it off. So to me, trust and smart is what

645
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: that feels like. There that which I really liked about him.

646
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: I also like that they moved him out into the

647
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: slot a lot, because he's dynamic enough there to cause problems.

648
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: Now.

649
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: He's not Eli Heidenreich right with a routree or anything

650
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: like that. He's just serviceable enough that it's like I

651
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: can threaten you over here. Okay. So he lacks in size, right,

652
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: He jumps around a lot. He dances a little too

653
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: much where it's just plant and go, sometimes a little

654
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: slow to accelerate. Once he catches the ball. As a receiver,

655
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: he has to catch set then go and his suddenness

656
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: is kind of average and cut. So those are the downs,

657
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: but I like the three down skill set. I like

658
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: the not being afraid to have con contact. I like

659
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: the contact balance, I like running in the open field

660
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: the way he does, and I like the smarts that

661
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: he does. So that's why he's seven for me.

662
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's again, this guy's just off my list.

663
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: We watched him last night, or I watched them last night.

664
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: So Jamio, I agree with I think everything you said.

665
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing that kind of came to the

666
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: forefront for me is he is a very good college runner. Yeah,

667
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing, but it's also kind of

668
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: a negative because I wonder about the top end juice right,

669
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: the top end athlete. And again, when you see runners

670
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: like him, like every team has a runner like Jamari

671
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: Taylor on the practice squad somewhere, a guy that's really good,

672
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: a guy that you can trust, But is he ever

673
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: going to make the fifty three as an athlete? And again,

674
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: his vertical jump was pretty good, it was thirty seven

675
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: and a half inches, but he didn't run a forty

676
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: and I think that shows up in terms of his

677
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: lack of top end speed, So that's my concern with him.

678
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: I think again, he's just a very solid football player.

679
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: I like that he brought up, he caught the football well.

680
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: I think his vision's pretty good. I think his contact

681
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: violence is pretty good. It's just when he like when

682
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: it comes to those big moments of contact, there's not

683
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: a spark necessarily, there's not like the suddenness to make

684
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: someone miss. It's he's just very, very solid, and I

685
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: think there's value to that. It just does that guy

686
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: make your roster.

687
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: And I think I might learn a lesson with him.

688
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is that I feel I,

689
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: like you said, great college production, great college running back.

690
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: I wrote that in my little blurb here, like he's

691
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: elite college running back, and I see why, because it's

692
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: excellent in those systems. But there are things lacking that

693
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if makes it to the next level.

694
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm putting them high because me, Jason, just me.

695
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying I think I think there's something there, and

696
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get burned where it's like okay, production doesn't

697
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: always translate, or maybe I'll be proven right with him

698
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: where it does. And I'm he's kind of like a

699
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: test piece for me because I haven't been doing this

700
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: long enough to create my own rule.

701
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: There are funny things that happen though with running backs

702
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: where they look like us, they have a certain gear

703
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: in college, and then they get to the league and

704
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: it's better. Yeah, he's a guy that I think could

705
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: fall into that bucket because of the experience, because of

706
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: the skill set that he's shown. So I'm not writing

707
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: him off. I just I worry about, you know what,

708
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to physically at the next level.

709
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: All Right, who we want to talk about next?

710
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: Emma Johnson he was your ten, my sixth, and then

711
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Kate Tron Allen and then you have Mike Washington in

712
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: a rum.

713
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: Let's do Allen for you?

714
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So this one was tough, man. This was a

715
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: tough e vow for me. Hell yeah. So he's uh,

716
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: what is he five? He's five to eleven, like two

717
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: twenty or something.

718
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: That's it. He nailed it.

719
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: He's a big He's a big eleven thick lower state, yeah,

720
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: thick lower half, and he is he is the definition

721
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: of a singles and doubles hitter. As a runner, He's

722
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: the definition of that and so what I mean and

723
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I value that a lot like he reminds me a

724
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: little bit of like a Chris Rodriguez with a little

725
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: bit more natural juice. And so what I mean is

726
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure there's a better runner kind of

727
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: in this top five category for me that has a

728
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Obviously there's one guy but we're going to talk about

729
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: him later who has a better feel for setting up

730
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: blocks and a better natural feel for how the run

731
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: is breaking down. What maybe that as I was watching

732
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: a game versus Michigan State, he's the Wildcat quarterback. He

733
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: gets to snap the Titan, gets absolutely annihilated, shows great patience,

734
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: kind of glides out of the way, pushes down hill,

735
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: makes another guy miss, sets up a block, and just

736
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of SLINKs and snakes his way through for a touchdown.

737
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's that vision like you look for

738
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: like elite traits and running backs, things that really transfer.

739
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: I think it's his vision and feel is very very high.

740
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Like he's not a fast player and they ran like

741
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: a jet suite with him one time, and his ability

742
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: just to kind of feel how the block is setting up,

743
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: cut it back, get skinny, get your shoulder square and

744
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: fall forward for eight yards, Like there's something there to

745
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: that in terms of getting on base, and I think

746
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: the size is something that I like. I think he

747
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: catches the football relatively. He's just a imagine the most

748
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: solid player you could think of. Like that's what he is.

749
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: He's just incredibly incredibly solid.

750
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you.

751
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean you you know me? Yeah, your passive, say guy.

752
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: And that's a gift and a curse. I'm going to

753
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: come at you hot, I'm gonna come at you cold,

754
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: because that's just my fandom is going to get mixed

755
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: in this. I haven't been able to weed it out completely.

756
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't fully understand. So Nicholas Singleton was the other

757
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: running back that was with Penn State hire for both

758
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: of us. Yeah he was. We'll get to him. But

759
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: the point is, you shared time here with k Tron Allen.

760
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Now I don't understand why they shared so much time together.

761
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: K tron Allen ended up being the all time Penn

762
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: State yards leader, kidding, right, and Singleton ended up being

763
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: the Penn State all time touchdown leader. Interesting, very interesting, right,

764
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: So I don't fully understand why they use k tron

765
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Allen as much as they did. Because he is exactly

766
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: what you said. And Nicholas Singleton has the upside and

767
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: the athlete that he showed for Penn State in twenty

768
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: twenty four too, So I don't get why he got

769
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: more carries. There's something going on there. It also could

770
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: have just been Penn State Penn stating. But for k

771
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Tron Allen, the positives, the size and the balance. He

772
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: can adjust his body without losing speed. That's a good

773
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: trick that he has. He's a very nice patient, good

774
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: vision runner, His hands are okay, his pass pro is

775
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: not great, and I just think he lacks that movement

776
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: skill that you want from a home run hitter. Now

777
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: you're exactly right. Will he be drafted? I think so,

778
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: And I think he's going to play because it's hey confidence, right,

779
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: we have confidence in this guy. He's going to do

780
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: the things well. But he doesn't have the ceiling that

781
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, I think when I start getting into

782
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: these top lists here.

783
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: And so he's the first guy that's kind of out

784
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: of my top four, and the top four to me

785
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: are like these guys can be full time starters and

786
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: we'll talk about them all in a second. But Kterron Allen. Again,

787
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: you want to write him off because he's kind of

788
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: a boring watch, but he just does the little things

789
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: at a high level. And then you go to the

790
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and in the week of practice, he's the

791
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: best running back there. Like he's the most conceison consistently

792
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: finding that grass, sneaking through, staying square, doing those little

793
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: things well. Like him and I would say Cante Black

794
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: were kind of neck and neck there for me in

795
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: terms of who was more productive. And there were guys

796
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: like Mike Washington at this event, right, like there were

797
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: big time football players there, So they're the consistency, feel

798
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: that feel. He's the Reuben Baine of running backs to me, Okay,

799
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He's like, he's not the

800
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: flashiest guy. He just does the football stuff well and

801
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: ultimately we're playing football, right and so that's why he's

802
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: number five for me.

803
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: I The last thing I'll say is that for most

804
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: of his explosive plays, not all of them, most of

805
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: them are the way I wrote it in my notes

806
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: is like they're reliant on others. And what I mean

807
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: by that, what I mean by that is he's not

808
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: going to create something for you. But if you said

809
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: it for him, he can make an explosive versus Nebraska.

810
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: To support your point, he's got a they running like

811
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: a wham play. So like that's where the wing tight

812
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: end is trapping the three technique and it's a great

813
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: plate design. It totally kills the defense and he just

814
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: is running like through open grass. Right If if Nicholas

815
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Singleton gets that touch, it's easily a score. But he

816
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: runs for about forty five fifty yards gets talked down

817
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: like that's like who he is. Like he'll find the

818
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: right spot, He'll get you in the right position, but

819
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to knock it out of

820
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: the park, and that is good and bad. There's plenty

821
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: of runners in the league like that. He's just very,

822
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: very solid, And I like that consistency of him. I

823
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: like the feel for the position.

824
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like what headache would you rather have

825
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: with him? Would you rather have the headache of he

826
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: took no gain when you should have gotten four yards here?

827
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: Or are you sorry? Let me rephrase that. Are you

828
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: happy with he's gonna get four yards when it's blocked

829
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: for six or block for two?

830
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

831
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Or do you want a guy who may only get

832
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: you zero yards for four, but you block for six

833
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: and then he takes it for a home run. You

834
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Funny, Look, it's the consistency versus

835
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: the Do you want a guy who's going to swing

836
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: for offense or do you want a guy that's going

837
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: to choke up on the bat and push the ball

838
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: the other way?

839
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's reflected in our top fours,

840
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: both of us that like we have a we definitely

841
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: prefer the ladder and that analogy. So but he's again,

842
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: he's right at that precipice. I think he's a good

843
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: football player. I'd be happy if you're if he was

844
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: here in Washington because the consistency brings but not gonna

845
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: light your hair on fire as a explosive play weapon.

846
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: Well, let me talk to you about my number five,

847
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: which is runnin himby from it in the okay, because

848
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: he's not on your list. In fact, you have Caitlin

849
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: Black as your only Indiana player here, which is you

850
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: know himby is six foot two eight from Indiana. He

851
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: was part of the dual running back there. I have

852
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: him pretty nar and high. Not sure why he's not

853
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: on more people's list to be honest or at least

854
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: being considered in that top ten. I get that I'm

855
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: higher than most people in them. That's fine. But by

856
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: the way, he's a local product here on high school product,

857
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: transfer five college, transferred from Maryland, so I had seen

858
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: him just on TV before Indiana, but obviously that's where

859
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: he gets to the national shine. I really like him.

860
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: I think he has burst, elite top end speed. I

861
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: think he has a short area of quickness, sun and cuts.

862
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: He has that Indiana discipline. Right, football playing Johnny not

863
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: great in past pro I'll give you that, right, he

864
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: was better at it in the Big Ten championship game. Right.

865
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: I watched that one, and it's like, oh, okay, you

866
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: can mix it up. So not sure what you're doing earlier.

867
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Maybe it's you had to I don't know what it is.

868
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Maybe you're working towards it. I don't know, but I

869
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: have usage concerns, like because I think he was the

870
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: more like we were talking about upside guy in Indiana

871
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: than Black, although Black is very consistent, very good. I

872
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: don't dislike him. Obviously he's in my top ten. I

873
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: don't know why you didn't get a little bit more

874
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: with the explosiveness that you have, and he wait just

875
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: a little too long, a little indecisive. But I love

876
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: that he's the receiving threat. I love that he has

877
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: contact balance. I love that he runs with power. I

878
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: love the burst, I love the top end speed. So

879
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: it's these things that I love about him. So it's like,

880
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: maybe you're not a three down bat, but I think

881
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: you're an explosive playmaker in a way. Here.

882
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with Roman Henby, he reminds me Gosh

883
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: like he got. He's got a little bit of a

884
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: narrow running style. And I think the thing that really

885
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: kind of put me off of him, to be honest,

886
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: was the patience. He's too patient, too patient, he's too patient,

887
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: and I think, like that that's something that always bugs me.

888
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: It bugs me when I coach running backs, like when

889
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: I coach running back to the high school level, like,

890
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't want that. I want I want you to

891
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: keep us on schedule, not take negative runs. And I

892
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of that to him. And

893
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: so then I went, you know, back and reviewed my

894
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: notes from the combine. There's a little bit of stiffest

895
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: to him. He's a very linear athlete, so like some

896
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: of that short area change of direction in terms of

897
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: finding the whole, I think hurts him and it's why

898
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: he feels more patient, because he's kind of in a

899
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: down gear waiting for it to burst. I do think

900
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: he's fast. I think he catches the football well. I

901
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: just think it's in terms of translating this position to

902
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. I worry that some of the some of

903
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: his hips, like his some of the linear elements of

904
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: his game are going to hurt him when it comes

905
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: to finding holes at the NFL level. Now. I will

906
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: also say if he gets in the right system, like

907
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: more outside zone base, I think that would help him

908
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: kind of cover up some of those als. But you know,

909
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: he's in my honorable mention list. I think he's a

910
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: fine football players, just I have some questions about him

911
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: and his ability to translate that skill set where it's like,

912
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: can you maximize money runs? Are you a hard tackle?

913
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Those are some things that I just went watching the

914
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: film I didn't get get answered all the way.

915
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: That's truly fair. I think I have a question for you,

916
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: but I don't have to answer for it. So it's

917
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: a legitimate question here that I'm going to learn something here.

918
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: So everybody, we're going to Professor Paulson's class. Uh huh,

919
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: sit down. I'm going to raise my hand in the back.

920
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: What's up to you?

921
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

922
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Actually, Jason?

923
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: Okay. So my question is would you feel more comfortable

924
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: as a coach with somebody who has the inability to

925
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: have decisiveness coming out as a prospect or a athletic limitation.

926
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: Do you feel you can coach one or the other

927
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: or one will develop over the other.

928
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: This is a really fantastic question because I've been at

929
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: multiple stops with multiple teams in the NFL and during

930
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: my five years of college at UCLA, where the number

931
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: one coaching point for the running back coach was do

932
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: not over coach the backs, basically being like, don't hamper

933
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: or quiet their feel for the position. And so when

934
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: I see someone who has a natural feel, right Conte Black,

935
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Caitron Allen, that is a skill, right, that kind of

936
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh this is the whayre the block is going. This

937
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: is where the hat is leveraged by the blocker. I

938
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: can set this up and push it back and get

939
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: four yards Like that is something that is really undervalued. Right,

940
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: But when you look again at my top four here,

941
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a second. All of those

942
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: guys are explosive home run playmakers, but they've shown enough

943
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: of the thing we just talked about, which is feel.

944
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: But when I'm just like kind of separating out the

945
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: bottom of this running back class, like I want to

946
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: know that you can play running back at the NFL level,

947
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: and running back at the NFL level is a very

948
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: specific thing. It's very Those guys are so decisive, Like

949
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: remember the conversations we were having about Bill earlier in

950
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: the year, where he's kind of hunting and pecking and

951
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of waiting for the home run. And compared to

952
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez, who's been in the league a couple of years,

953
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: he's downhill, he's taking the three yard gain, he's taking

954
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: the two and a half yard gain, he's taking the

955
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: four yard gain, keeping the offense on schedule. These guys

956
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: have that right, and I think that's something that you

957
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: can obviously teach it right, because again, Bill got better

958
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: as you win. But how many opportunities are guys going

959
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: to get before the coaches like get out of here.

960
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: So I do think guys who have that feel foundation

961
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: are going to get more opportunities early and play more.

962
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you saw last year with

963
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: the Chris Rodriguez Bill thing right, and eventually Bill figured

964
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: it out. But because of the situation, the role here

965
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: had to be right. And so with Roman Hemby, for

966
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: just as a point of comparison, I'm worried that he

967
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: won't get the opportunity to develop that NFL feel because

968
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: of where he's going to get drafted.

969
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: Let me finish. Oh yeah, note here in case.

970
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: It's on you're you're a goof man.

971
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: We all right, just in case it's we have a

972
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: pop quiz, Yeah, pop quiz later, Thank you, professor. Okay,

973
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: let's do all.

974
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: So we haven't done. You haven't done Emma Johnson and

975
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: I haven't done Emma Johnson.

976
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 2: We haven't done Emma Johnson yet.

977
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: Yes, he's my six in year ten. This one was

978
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: really hard for me, really really hard for me, because

979
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: I think he does a lot of stuff. Well. I

980
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: think he's got good short, airy quickness. I think he's

981
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: a tough tackle. I think he has does that jitterbug

982
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of make you miss in the hole. I think

983
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: he catches the football pretty good. The thing for me

984
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: that I was having a he's he's Jamari Taylor with

985
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more juice, okay, and yep, but he

986
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough juice. Like, there's a great play. Who

987
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: are they playing? Nebra was playing I Forget but does

988
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: a great job, makes the corner misses out on the

989
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: perimeter and just gets hawked down. They were playing Iowa

990
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: gets hawked at the one yard line. He get catches

991
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: a screen pass, makes makes a guy miss, gets hoked

992
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: down by your guy Nawakba from Iowa. Right, and You're like, man, like,

993
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you have some juice to you, you have some ability,

994
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: but you don't have that top end gear. And I

995
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to value that. And this is

996
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: one of the ones for me where it's like the

997
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: feels good right, catches the ball well, can make people miss,

998
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: but doesn't have that like knockout home run power or

999
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: a home run ability. And I'm like, that's kind of

1000
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: what your role is going to be at the next level.

1001
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: So I just didn't I put him at six because

1002
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: I think someone will value it. I just don't know.

1003
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous about the lack of top end juice there.

1004
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: He ran a four or five six and I wrote down.

1005
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: I literally wrote this out. I love when we line

1006
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: up because it makes me feel like I'm looking at

1007
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: the right things. He gets caught from behind a lot,

1008
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: a lot. He also does this thing all right. So

1009
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: I listened to a ton of podcasts. I can't remember

1010
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: which one I heard this one, so I'm sorry, but

1011
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: they pointed out when you watch this film and he

1012
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: scores a touchdown or gets close to a touchdown every time,

1013
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: regardless of how close a defender is, if one's on

1014
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: him or is fifteen yards away, he tucks the ball

1015
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: and does two hands on.

1016
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: The ball because he's worried about getting caught.

1017
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: I think. So that's not what that podcast said. They

1018
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: were like, Oh, I just love it. He's a football player,

1019
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: and like he's just smart. He's not gonna do it.

1020
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think he just gets caught a lot

1021
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: and has learned over the years tuck that thing in.

1022
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: So he must have he must have had an appen

1023
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: one too many times. Yeah, so it's while that podcast

1024
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: was treating it as like a positive I was like, well,

1025
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: actually he looked at it as a negative way. But

1026
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: here's what I do want to say positively about him,

1027
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: because he is my number ten. He's got a motor.

1028
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right, he is downhill. I mean this is a

1029
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: even though he's like a little bit of a smaller

1030
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: guy at five to ten, he is a one cut.

1031
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm running into your face, come hell or high water,

1032
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: I'm gaining yard. Is a good running right, He's just

1033
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: that physical type that is gonna just h and a

1034
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: fast temper.

1035
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: And I think there's something about him and like he's

1036
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: getting to those long runs even though he's getting caught,

1037
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: like he has some there's some magic at the Lanta.

1038
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: He's there's a little bit of k Tron Allen to

1039
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: his game and that like we're gonna be in the

1040
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: right spot. Yeah, and I'm gonna get to where we

1041
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: gotta go and we're gonna maybe have an opportunity for

1042
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: a big run. But I don't have that extra gear.

1043
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you can feel this for me,

1044
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: but it's like one through four, like we're gonna get there,

1045
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: explosive all doors. The next kind of group is you know,

1046
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Kateron Allen, Emma Johnson, Black, just guys with good feeling

1047
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: and then obviously Jonah Coleman is a guy we're gona

1048
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: talk about here in a second, but that's my next

1049
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: cluster four. I kind of see them similar. It's like

1050
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: they're really good runners, good feel good balance, but they

1051
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: just don't have that home run ability.

1052
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Emma Johnson, no coach is ever gonna say

1053
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: you're dancing too much. He's north and south, he's aggressive,

1054
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: he's got the tempo, he's got the motor. It's it's

1055
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: the speed, it's getting caught from behind. It's like no jukes, right,

1056
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: it's just going a coaches may like that, but how

1057
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: many touches that going to get you in the field,

1058
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: because sometimes we want we want more than just singles,

1059
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: and if we want to double all every now and then,

1060
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1061
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: That's where like you're seeing the position go right, Yeah,

1062
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: v John Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs, Christian McCaffrey, Like those are

1063
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: the top of Saquon Barkley. They're the top guys at

1064
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: the position for a reason because they bring an explosive

1065
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: pop to your offense. He feels like he's just a

1066
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: again kind of that singles doubles hitter. That is a

1067
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: good runner, but you're maybe you're always going to want

1068
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: more from.

1069
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: Him, all right, let's talk about my number four. Sorry,

1070
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to jump to my number three, Jonah Coleman

1071
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: from Washington, because he's your number eight, So we'll close

1072
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: it out because then the rest of ours are pretty

1073
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: pretty in line. So Jonah Coleman from Washington, he's a

1074
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: team captain over there, you know, teams like of hearing

1075
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: that he's interestingly a little small. He's five eight, but

1076
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: like thick, so I compared the way he played to

1077
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler, because now Eckler's bigger than him, but in

1078
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: the sense taller, but in a sense of like Eckler

1079
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: is still a smaller, and it's he was undrafted, and

1080
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: I think a part of it is because of you

1081
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: don't know what he's going to do physically, but he

1082
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: has the tools to do it, if that makes sense.

1083
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: That's why he's my comp So a team captain, you know, sturdy,

1084
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: good contact, balance, attacks where the blocks will be, not

1085
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: where they are going to be. I love that I

1086
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: mentioned that earlier. He has little twitches and wiggles that

1087
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: make them slippery, even though he's not going to do

1088
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: anything crazy juke wise, but it seems like it's hard

1089
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: to get angles on him accelerates at the exact precise moment.

1090
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: It's not like you know how sometimes running backs will

1091
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: get the ball and it's like they either get the

1092
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: ball and they just go full speed, or they get

1093
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: the ball and they wait too much and then hit it.

1094
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: He knows if I need to go right now, I

1095
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: need the way to beat theng go, or if I

1096
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: need to just slowly go, I'm going to make this

1097
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: hole and then take off the beginning. He just uses

1098
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: his acceleration very well. He doesn't fumble the ball very

1099
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: sure handed. I think he's a true three down back

1100
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: because he can catch the ball well and he is

1101
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: a dog in pass protection. He will get out of it.

1102
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: So all these reasons is the Austin Eckler, right, These

1103
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: are all those things I would describe Austin Eckler through

1104
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 2: his career now, even though he has acceleration, splow average,

1105
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: the burst right in the sense of it's not elite.

1106
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: He just knows when to turn an one. But it's

1107
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: not an elite usage of it, if you know what

1108
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean. He's small and I think that top end

1109
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: speed may not be quite there. So because of that,

1110
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: I really love a lot about him. Yeah, but I'm

1111
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: a little unsure about that burst and speed. But everything

1112
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: else is there, Literally, everything else to me is there.

1113
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I think the Austin Eckler Kamba is interesting because like

1114
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler is crazy explosive, right, And Jonah Coleman that's

1115
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the question, right, Like he's big and he's strong, like

1116
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty four film I think is better than

1117
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty five film personally, because the thing when

1118
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: I've cut on the film in twenty twenty five, I

1119
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: really wanted to see, like are you He's built, like

1120
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: he's a tough tackle, and I felt like there were

1121
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: times where he wasn't a tough tackle, Like he's kind

1122
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: of getting exactly what's blocked. He's finding the right hole,

1123
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: but not finishing the way like Emma Johnson, k Tron Allen,

1124
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: you know black from Indiana, Like they don't have that.

1125
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that power in his lower half, and

1126
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: I feel like he should. The reason he's higher than

1127
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: like Eli heiden Reich and Seth McGowan those guys is

1128
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: because I think he catches the football really well. He's

1129
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: gonna pass pro. So the role to me right away

1130
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: is I think he's a good third down back, and

1131
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: I think there's value to that. I think you're describing.

1132
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of what you're describing there with Austin Eckler,

1133
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: But that third down back, Like, where is the value

1134
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: for that? And I think it's way down the bords.

1135
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: Like the other guys I think have more like natural running,

1136
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: juice and prowess. I think Jonah Coleman good third down back,

1137
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: upside as a pass protector upside in the past game.

1138
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: I think he can get better as a runner. I

1139
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: think he can grow into more. But that's my reservation with.

1140
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: Him, and it's completely fair. I just love I have

1141
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: so many more green flags and red flags that that's

1142
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: why I moved them up here. Is like, sure I

1143
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: have them at number three, because, like, I think you.

1144
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: Have everything you think can be a starter in the NFL.

1145
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: I think he could be. Now again, I don't have

1146
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: I have no stake in this whatsoever, right, but I could.

1147
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm drafting him with the thought of, like, I think

1148
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: he's got a decent chance at being a three down.

1149
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Back for us, right, No, I'm with you.

1150
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: So that's why he's high, right where some of these

1151
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: other guys like they're gonna be role players for me, right,

1152
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? They could be something better,

1153
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: but I am drafting him with the idea of like,

1154
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna be my bruiser or you're going to be

1155
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: my third down back, Whereas Jennah Coleman, I go, Okay,

1156
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: you're five eight, you're two twenty. That's kind of weird,

1157
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: but you have all this stuff. If you're burst and

1158
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: your top end speed can translate, we are cooking with

1159
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: something here.

1160
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I've just a couple of questions about

1161
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: whether you can fill that three down roll at the

1162
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: next level. That's why eight.

1163
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, we're different people.

1164
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're allowed that eis. Just want to put that

1165
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: out there.

1166
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna be wrong a lot.

1167
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: We're all. We're both going to be wrong quite a bit.

1168
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: You're you're the professor, Okay, so are you. Let's do

1169
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 2: your final four and then I'll list off my four,

1170
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: two and one and we'll go from there.

1171
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Okay, good. So, Yeah, my four is Nicholas Singleton from

1172
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Penn Sate. That's your two.

1173
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

1174
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 1: Jendarium Price from Notre Dame is my three. He's your four.

1175
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: Mike Washington junior from Arkansas is my two, he's your six,

1176
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: and then Jeremiah Love Surprise surprise, is my number one. Back.

1177
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: All right, so let's just go in order of how

1178
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: you have it.

1179
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk that way, so good, yep, all right,

1180
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: So Nicholas your four, am I two. Yeah. I think

1181
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: when you look at this year, it's a little bit confusing.

1182
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: As you already talked about this with a k Tron

1183
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Allen discussion, like why he didn't get more touches. You know,

1184
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: the big criticism is like he doesn't have the most

1185
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: natural feel it's a runner. He doesn't, you know, like

1186
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 1: he's this crazy, explosive athlete. He's kind of supposedly running

1187
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: four to four. He's incredibly strong. He had a broken

1188
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: foot at the Senior Bowl, so didn't finish the week there,

1189
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: didn't get to do the combine, so didn't get to

1190
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: kind of show his athleticism. I think a lot of

1191
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: people have forgot about him. But when you watch him,

1192
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: I think he's got a decent feel. I think he's explosive.

1193
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: I think he runs hard, I think he gets downhill,

1194
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: and I think he brings that element to your offense

1195
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: that you're always hunting for with the running back position.

1196
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: He can hit a home run. He's big enough. I

1197
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: think he's what is he's five to eleven or is

1198
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: he six foot? He's six foot like two twenty. He's

1199
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: a big guy.

1200
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's six He's a big guy we'll put together.

1201
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: And he runs well, runs hard. I think he's got

1202
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: decent vision. I think you watched the Indiana game. He

1203
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: has two touchdow there where they're kind of running like

1204
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: some inside zone duo variation. He's really patient, bursts through

1205
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: the hole, breaks a tackle for a touchdown. I think

1206
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: he catches the ball decently well. In twenty twenty four.

1207
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: He has a great catch in the seam, which is

1208
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: really tough to do. There's not a lot not to like.

1209
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: I think he's four for me because of this last year.

1210
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: It just there's a lot of question. He was a

1211
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: little bit banged up offseason. He's banged up with the

1212
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: broken foot, and this the utilization was so weird, Like

1213
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: I see an explosive, dynamic playmaker, but he's not getting

1214
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: as many touches as k Tron Allen in the offense.

1215
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: And for me, if I don't know why that is,

1216
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: and that's a big red flag question mark for me.

1217
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: So I don't know why either. I'm gonna pontificate. Yeah, okay,

1218
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: So the first thing I want to get out of

1219
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: the way is he currently has an injury on his foot. Yeah,

1220
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: he may slide in the draft for that. He's supposed

1221
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: to be ready by the start of the season, but

1222
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: he could go down depending on what that injury is.

1223
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. He's currently dealing with, a

1224
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: foot injury. The other thing is is that I think,

1225
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: with my eye as a fan, he must have been

1226
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: dealing something at Penn State injury wise, because twenty twenty

1227
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: four he looked a little bit more explosive in everything

1228
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: that he did twenty twenty five, So I think that

1229
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: there's a little something there. I'm also going to say

1230
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: that the situation at Penn State this year where they

1231
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: had a really rough season and ended the letting the

1232
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: coach go midway through the season after a big loss

1233
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: to your Bruins, that's right. I think that that did

1234
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: a disservice to the whole Penn State offense. That whatever

1235
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: they wanted to develop into, whatever they were trying to

1236
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: get to, whatever injury is trying to get off of that.

1237
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't know any of this to be true. I'm

1238
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: not reporting anything. This complete speculation of a FANI that

1239
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: they just baselined out and were like, let's just get

1240
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: through this season, guys. I honestly think that, really, I

1241
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: think that there is a mentality of that. I think

1242
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: a coaching stat would like that whatever they were planning

1243
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: to develop going down season's loss, coaches gone, stay, help,

1244
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: let's just get through this thing. It looked like that

1245
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: across the board to me. Now, all that being said,

1246
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: he's a five star recruit out of high school, and

1247
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: you can see it, especially in twenty twenty four. I

1248
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: think that still matters for whatever reason. I think that

1249
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: even after you spend time in college, if you're a

1250
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 2: five star cruit out of it's that potential is still there,

1251
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: right to hit that. He is young, He's only going

1252
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: to be twenty one. Rose colored glasses did split time,

1253
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: less work volume, right, especially if you're dealing with an injury,

1254
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: you're coming off of it. Okay, the bad, all right?

1255
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: He did struggle in twenty twenty five. Decisiveness on cuts

1256
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: in the open field is an odd one for me

1257
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: with him. He'll get into space. One safety will be

1258
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: coming Adamore a linebacker, and it almost looks like he

1259
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: has a malfunction. I don't know what to do, and

1260
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: he just kind of runs into him when you got

1261
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: space to make something here. So he runs into content

1262
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: basically more than he needs to in some instances. And

1263
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: so therefore I think he could be more creative in

1264
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: that part of the field. Now that being said, he

1265
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: has to build the size, the speed, the explosiveness, the

1266
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: creativity at the line. He can catch the ball, he

1267
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: can run tough routes like this is what you want

1268
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: when you're drafting for a running back. You want that

1269
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: bell cow that can do everything and showed that he

1270
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: can do it at a high level. So that's why

1271
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: he's number two for me, because other than the number

1272
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: one Jeremiah Love, he's the only other one to me

1273
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: that has shown all of them consistently, all the things

1274
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: that you want.

1275
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't disagree. He's He's a little bit

1276
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: like the mystery Box though, because twenty twenty five wasn't

1277
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: as good as twenty twenty four. But the bout running,

1278
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: the catch, the receiving element of his game, I really like.

1279
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: I think the explosive playability. There is a little bit

1280
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: of a feel thing that shows up everyone's elf. I

1281
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's fatal by any stretch of the imagination.

1282
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: So again, he's four of classified these top four guys

1283
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: as guys I think can be true ones in an offense.

1284
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: So he definitely fits that bill.

1285
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: For me. I like him at number two. Or A

1286
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: reason I put him at number two is because I'm

1287
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: also doing this thing in my head where I think

1288
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: he's not going to I think generally he's not being

1289
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: as valued as high as you should. So I would say, like,

1290
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: if he starts to fall in the draft, me personally,

1291
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: not the commanders, just in general, me personally, I'd be

1292
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: staring at the screen going, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh,

1293
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: there's a real good lottery ticket here that the value

1294
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: is going to be astronomical if you hit on him.

1295
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: And the margin of era I think is smaller because

1296
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: you've seen it.

1297
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. And again I think he's

1298
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: again I think he could be a starting caliber running

1299
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: back with some home run plus to him, which is

1300
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: what you're hunting for in this draft specifically.

1301
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: So all right, let's talk about Jenarian Price from Notre Dame.

1302
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one was tough man because he's playing with

1303
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: a guy who's like special. So you're seeing like the

1304
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: high definition version of like a running back and an

1305
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: offense and engineering Price comes in and you're like, that's

1306
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: not quite as good, and so a little bit of

1307
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: is like how does this compare to the rest of

1308
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: the class and not just Jeremiah Love. You know, people

1309
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: kind of have pitched himor I've heard people talk about

1310
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: him as like this speed kind of scat back. That's

1311
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: not really what I see from him. I see it.

1312
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: I don't see that at all.

1313
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: I see a guy with some good vision. I think

1314
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: he's I think he's got some explosive playability, right, He's

1315
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: not maybe as explosive as I think a lot of

1316
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: people thought in terms of his testing numbers, but he's

1317
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: got good vision. I think he runs really well, nice

1318
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: and square. There is some change of direction, kind of

1319
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: stiffness or clunkiness at the second level, but I think

1320
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: he does a good job as a good feel breaks

1321
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: tackle is a tough tackle, very tough tackle. People hit

1322
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: him flush and he's able to break those things. The

1323
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: flush hits always make me a little bit nervous, but

1324
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: has a good contact, balance, good vision. Not quite a

1325
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: top tier athlete, which again I was debating whether to

1326
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: put Nix Nicholas Singleton above him, but I think it's

1327
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: just been more consistent in terms of his of the

1328
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: other running back elements, the vision, the feel for the run,

1329
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of pressing and setting up blocks, and that's why

1330
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: he's number three for me.

1331
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree almost with all of that. He kind

1332
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: of glides as a runner, which I love with that power.

1333
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: He does have short area of quickness and can find

1334
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: the whole pretty fast, really hard to bring him down.

1335
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: He just knocks guys over right with the contact. I

1336
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: wonder about his top speed, which the forty time kind

1337
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: of stood out a little bit with that because when

1338
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: you hear like he ran a four four to nine,

1339
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: which is still good. But I when I first heard

1340
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: of him, right when people were talking about him, like

1341
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: you said, it was like this kind of like explosive

1342
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: and I didn't see that personally, but I see a

1343
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: good player here, really good player. I kind of described

1344
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: him as he is a quarter mile runner in the

1345
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: sense of like fast and the furious quarter mile right

1346
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: versus like we're doing a race here? Does that make sense?

1347
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: Like I'm going to have explosiveness and burst, but I don't.

1348
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't have the horsepower to sustain this for a

1349
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: long period of time. That's kind of how I viewed him.

1350
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: I also did this thing where I the first time

1351
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: I watched him was with Jeremiah Love. I did the

1352
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: two of them together, and You're right, that's really difficult

1353
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: to talk to that. So I stopped watching him, didn't

1354
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: watch Jeremiah Love for a while, watched a ton of

1355
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: other guys, went back, rewatched them, saw difference, but I

1356
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: just don't watched it tough because it does him a

1357
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: disservice to watch him against like a blue chipper in

1358
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: my opinion. Yeah, so I think he's I mean, obviously

1359
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: I have him as my number four. I think this

1360
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: is a wonder. I wonder why he didn't transfer to

1361
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: go somewhere to be the bell cow, but because he's

1362
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: a good player. He's a really good player, and I

1363
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: wish I could have seen that they don't ask much

1364
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: of them in the passing game. You would expect I

1365
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: think a little bit more. Jeremiah loved being as good

1366
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: as he was. I can also see why it was

1367
01:01:59,320 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: off the field.

1368
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: I love as a route and we'll talk about the morning.

1369
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: My point being is like, not that he can't do it,

1370
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: maybe he's really good at it. The sample sizes in there. Yeah,

1371
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: and it's like what Jeremiah Love.

1372
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: Is in front of you, So it is. It is

1373
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of interesting.

1374
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: It's just the frustrating part with me. I see everything,

1375
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: but also like you didn't get enough opportunities for me

1376
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: to feel so comfortable.

1377
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why he's my three and not

1378
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: my two. Work for a lot of people. But good

1379
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: football player and again definitely a naturally gifted runner with

1380
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: a good feel and good contact balance. Yeah, he's like yeah,

1381
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: and and and he's creative. So I think there's there's

1382
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot to like there. And I think a guy

1383
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: who could in the right system, you know, kind of

1384
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: be like a Javonte Williams kind of player to me,

1385
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: good contact balance, good vision, good field. Maybe not like

1386
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: as explosive as everyone wants, but I think a good,

1387
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: good NFL runner.

1388
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred nice sharp cuts. He's just he's

1389
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: a good runner. Definitely. There are guys that you just

1390
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: watch you go, you can run the football, you know,

1391
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing. All right, let's do Mike

1392
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: Washington Junior, you're number two from arkins All. He's my

1393
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: number six.

1394
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's your number six. And Jason, I don't know, man.

1395
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: I just this is where the comp can hurt you.

1396
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: I think because the first, the very first time I

1397
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: watched him, I just could not This is before the

1398
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, this is before the Combine. I could not

1399
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: unsee Derrick Henry with him. I just couldn't unsee it.

1400
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1401
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: And so like what let's talk about what I'm talking

1402
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: about here. So he's he's stiff in the hips, his

1403
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: lateral movement is not great. That's exactly what Derrick Henry is.

1404
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 2: When we talk about Derek Henry, you talk about size too,

1405
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: size size yea. I mean we got here.

1406
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: He's six I think he's six one and a half

1407
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: at the combine, and he widgeted made or wait into

1408
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: like two twenty six. Like he's a big guy, a

1409
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: four four four three four to three. Yeah, and he

1410
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: had a great vertical jump, great great broad jump. And

1411
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: so I grew up in an outside zone offense, and

1412
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: to me, he is the perfect outside zone runner, just

1413
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: like Derrick Henry and So what I mean by that

1414
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: is like outside zone is you're gonna kind of either

1415
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: toss the ball or gonna the football to a wide

1416
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: mesh point. We're attacking the perimeter of the defense. I'm

1417
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: going to attack the outside as a runner, I'm going

1418
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: to attack the outside hip of the ghost tight end,

1419
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to make one cut and get downhill.

1420
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: And his ability to make that one cut and then

1421
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: just hit that gear and just kind of break the

1422
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: sound barrier as he punches through the defensive line and

1423
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: linebacker level is impressive. He's a big man. You watch

1424
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: a Texas game, he absolutely annihilates the safety there. He's

1425
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: got thirty three inch arms, so his stiff arm is

1426
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: really powerful. I think he does a decent job on

1427
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: some of his zone read stuff of kind of not dancing,

1428
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: but like finding that one cut hitting it. He's got

1429
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: enough lower body strength when the runs are muddy to

1430
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: kind of push the pile and get aggressive. But to me,

1431
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a more explosive player at

1432
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: the running back position outside of the guy we're going

1433
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: to talk about in a second, like maybe the second

1434
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: most explosive guy, Like his ability at that size to

1435
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: hit a home run is crazy to me. And again,

1436
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: he's got one year of serious production at Arkansas. He

1437
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: transferred from a small our school, So that's a little

1438
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: bit concerning to me because then you run into the

1439
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: Nicholas Singleton thing where, hey, he was good in twenty

1440
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: twenty four, Johnah Coleman good in twenty twenty four, not

1441
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: as good in twenty twenty five for both those players.

1442
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: So he hasn't had that kind of down year dip

1443
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: yet because he wasn't as productive prior. But the size combination,

1444
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: the speed combination, the vision, the feel. Again, he's a

1445
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: little stiff, he's a little bit high cut, a little

1446
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 1: bit upright, but I just and then this is again

1447
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: where the comp gets you in trouble. I was like,

1448
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: this feels like Derek Henry in terms of how you

1449
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: want to use this player. And I think about him

1450
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: for the Commanders as an outside zone based team, like

1451
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: god bless, having him and Bill in the same backfield

1452
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: to get like one, to get to the primer, then

1453
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: get downhill and just punish defenses. It feels like a

1454
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: really good fit. And so maybe that's what I'm romanticizing

1455
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: here with him at number two.

1456
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, he's a one hit wonder this past

1457
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: year at Arkansas. This was his fifth year, so he

1458
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: had four years prior where he was just kind of okay,

1459
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: so he can put it all together this year.

1460
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: He's also in the backfield with Taylor Green, who really

1461
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: is a force multiplier for the run.

1462
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: Sure, but my point is like he put it all

1463
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: together this year that I'm not saying it's a knock

1464
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: and you have to be special all five years. I'm

1465
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: just saying this is the year that he broke out.

1466
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: I agree with you in the sense of he runs

1467
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: a little high, he's a little stiff. I saw a

1468
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: little stutter step that he has sometimes that if he

1469
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: eliminates that, it's even more dynamic. I think he's I'm

1470
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: unsure of his contact balance.

1471
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: There are some times again he runs with a little

1472
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: bit of a narrow base, and there are times where

1473
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: he gets caught up. But like if you hit him

1474
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: like basically like thigh and up, I think he's got

1475
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: good strength to break tackles. But there are times when

1476
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: you see people like kind of heel tap of a

1477
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: mental trip like that type of stuff, which is it's

1478
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: it's significant for sure.

1479
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the last like red flag, I would say,

1480
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: is not very interested in pass pro.

1481
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like I would disagree. I disagree,

1482
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: but it partially because the Senior Bowl I thought he

1483
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: was like one of the better passes because he's big

1484
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: and the linebackers at the Senior Bowl small. But he's

1485
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: a big, long limb guy.

1486
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about mentality. I'm not saying that he

1487
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: like just doesn't do it or comes off the field,

1488
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: you know. I'm just saying, for as big and aggressive

1489
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 2: as he is, it's like, let's level some people.

1490
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else is not good at pass

1491
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: pro is our guy Derrick Henry. Like there's a lot

1492
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: of similarity. And I'm not saying that you want to

1493
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: emulate that part of Derrick Henry's game. Also, I think

1494
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: he catches the football pretty well. Like he's not a

1495
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: he's not like a creative after the catch guy like

1496
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: you know Emmitt Johnson where he's gonna stutter bug like,

1497
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: but you can catch him on like rails and seems

1498
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: like there's a like a mesh concept where he's kind

1499
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: of running a rail, catches it and just outruns the

1500
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: whole defense for he has this explosive element to his game.

1501
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: I think he catches the ball naturally. He's again he's

1502
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: not you know Eli Heidenreich, where we're juking people up.

1503
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: It's like I am big and I'm fast, and I

1504
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: run fast straight, like give me the ball in those

1505
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: scenarios and again that outside I can't just shake that

1506
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: outside zone ability.

1507
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: And I and he definitely has that. He has patients

1508
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: waiting for a holes to develop without being indecisive. He

1509
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: definitely knows when to explode cut back, even if the

1510
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: wave goes a little too far. He knows how to

1511
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: cut back and get up really quick to the outside

1512
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: edge and then explode up the speed in size man,

1513
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: it shows up a lot of times. And I'm not

1514
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: saying this is a bad. I'm not saying it's a bad.

1515
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: It could be a great. Is that he has a

1516
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: ton of runs where he just never gets touched. He's

1517
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: just off. And that's sometimes people say that as a

1518
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: negative with him because like, oh, he doesn't have to

1519
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: he just has to run through the hole. It's so

1520
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: black belt form. It's like yeah, but he also has

1521
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: this elite speed that creates that.

1522
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: He does and that's what the outside zone thing, like

1523
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: they were a lot of like g like like g

1524
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: lead like where they're pulling the front side guard and

1525
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: tackle or pulling front side guarden center. So it plays

1526
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: like outside zone. So he's like setting the perimeter defense

1527
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: over pursues, he puts his foot in the ground and

1528
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: goes and gets it. And Yeah, that to me is

1529
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: a special skill. And the home run ability is intoxicated.

1530
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: I kind of talking me into it because I had

1531
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,799
Speaker 2: him at six because of there are there are things

1532
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: that aren't there that these other guys have. But the

1533
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: more you keep saying it, the more I keep just

1534
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: looking at this sheet and I see six one two

1535
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: twenty three, four three three, six one two twenty three

1536
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: four to three. I keep going, oh, that's like that's

1537
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: unicorn stuff.

1538
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: And the one the one year of production does make me.

1539
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: I do get nervous with that. But this year was special.

1540
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: Like you watched the old miss game, you watched the

1541
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: Mississippi State game, you watch it versus Texas, Like that's

1542
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: a good defense, Like that's a power five defense, and

1543
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: he looks like the best player on the field. Like

1544
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: there are times you're like, man, this guy is special.

1545
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: And again versus Auburn, which was really muddy. I thought

1546
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: he did a great job with like muddy looks of

1547
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: getting square, getting downhill, and so everyone talks about we

1548
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: need this, we need this explosive element to this offense

1549
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: based on time speed, which is not everything. He's the

1550
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: most explosive back in this class. We both know that's

1551
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: not exactly true, but you get what I'm saying. Like

1552
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: he's and I think he plays to that time. Yeah,

1553
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: in a way. That's that you could get at seventy one,

1554
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: which is something that I think is an interesting proposition.

1555
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so anymore, but I think it's an

1556
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: interesting proposition.

1557
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: Logan, what is love?

1558
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: Baby? It don't hurt me.

1559
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: And he'll hurt you. He'll hurt you because he'll run

1560
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 2: over your face, but also will juke you. He Also,

1561
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: let's talk about Jeremiah Love. I'm I'm just gonna say it.

1562
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: I think he's the best running back prospect I've watched

1563
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: since Bijon And the first time we did this, I

1564
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: watched Bjeon at the Combine with you, and we were

1565
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: just like, oh my gosh, it's so smooth, it's so dynamic.

1566
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 2: I see that here.

1567
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: And in some ways, I think I'm more excited about

1568
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: him than Bijon, And I'll tell you why. Like Jon

1569
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: is special, like the fluidity, the smoothness, Like this is

1570
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: just a he's just a crazy horse man. He's just

1571
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: a horse. He's a stallion. And like you get him

1572
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: like a little bit of runway, he will run through you,

1573
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: he'll run over you. He'll make you miss. Like we

1574
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: talked about it with Seth McGowan. That ability, like that

1575
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: one cut like Jeremiah Love does that. He's got a

1576
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: little jiggle to it, at little wiggle in terms of

1577
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: his feet, and he's got like the home run gasoline.

1578
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,919
Speaker 1: Like you watch him versus USC. There's cracks of daylight

1579
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: there and he is just I'm going to the house

1580
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: and our guy Fields is down there block and forum,

1581
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool to watch. But and then and

1582
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: then the other thing that was mine, So that's awesome.

1583
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: Right then you watch him run routes, and there were

1584
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: times where he's like lined up at receiver running like

1585
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: receiver routes, running like inside release, corner, vertical stem, break

1586
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: it out a little double stick at the top, and

1587
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow.

1588
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: I want to hear one of my really dumb red

1589
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: flags I have can clean up route running a little bit.

1590
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: That was your red flag.

1591
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how dumb that was that I wrote that

1592
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: in the sense of, like that's what I should be

1593
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: writing for a wide receiver. I'm writing it for him.

1594
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: His route running is so good that I'm like, I

1595
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: could clean it up a little bit, right, I'm.

1596
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: Trying to find something. I mean, that's kind of what

1597
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: you're looking for, is you're looking for like any type,

1598
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: like he is a he's special man, and like, you know,

1599
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: it's funny because like everyone's talking about like, oh, Jeremi,

1600
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: I love this Jeremy, I love that top five pick

1601
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But in this draft, like I don't

1602
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: know if there's a more explosive offensive player, Like I

1603
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: don't know, And I think that's one of the reasons

1604
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: why he's a lot of He's number one on a

1605
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: lot of people's boards, Like it's in this running back class,

1606
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: it's Jeremiah Love and then a long way to the

1607
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: second running back and then everybody else it's a long way.

1608
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: Like he's head and shoulders above it. And like you said,

1609
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 1: he might be the best running back that we've watched.

1610
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: Maybe ever you mentioned Bijon, but like he is in

1611
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: a special group of guys.

1612
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: I got a crazy question for you. Where would you

1613
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: put him in the running back sorry, wide receiver tears, dude,

1614
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: because he's excellent at that.

1615
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: So it was funny, like because I went back and

1616
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: looked at my notes for the combine stuff, he ran

1617
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: like a receiver route tree post and dude, it looked sharp,

1618
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: like it looked like he plays receiver. Yeah, and yeah,

1619
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: I'd probably put him in the top ten. Like, I mean,

1620
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: that's what you're getting. Like, that's like he's he is

1621
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: good and it's not like, oh, I'm gonna run a

1622
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: choice from the backfield, I'm going to run a slant

1623
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm running deep, separating routes down the field.

1624
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: And I just was like, that's what Christian McCaffrey does. Yep,

1625
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: that's what makes him special. And so we're gushing about him.

1626
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, well, what's the shortcoming? I think he runs

1627
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: with a slightly narrow base. I think sometimes he can

1628
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: get tripped up in certain situations, but like that is

1629
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: like very rare and it's very unique to see that

1630
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: because I think he's got great contact balance. I think

1631
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: he's got great creativity. I think he feels runs well.

1632
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate, I hate how they coach their

1633
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 1: outside zone from the gun, Notre Dame I'm talking about.

1634
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: I think it's teaching him bad habits. But that's not

1635
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: him because both him and Price do the same thing,

1636
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: so that's obviously they're coaching it. But man, he is,

1637
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: he's special and he's a special football player.

1638
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: So we know that people love when stats back up

1639
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: what you see, like just put it all together, right, Okay,

1640
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: So first of all, let me start here. Love these

1641
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 2: little tibits. Missouri State one hundred meter champ ran a

1642
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: ten point seven to six pretty okay, Okay, all right, now,

1643
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 2: we talked about production with Mike Washington. He had that

1644
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: one year. We talked about Minicholas Singleton had one year

1645
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: down year. The last two years for Jeremia eleven twenty

1646
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 2: twenty four hundred and twenty four rushing yards, seventeen rushing touchdowns. Okay,

1647
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: this past year one three hundred seventy two rushing yards,

1648
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: eighteen rushing touchdowns. My dude, super consistent. Just I can

1649
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 2: do this and sustain it for at least two seasons.

1650
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 2: Here Okay according to PFF one hundred and twenty three

1651
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 2: point five elusive rating number one in the class eighth

1652
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: and carries of fifteen plus yards of all college football

1653
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: eighth okay twelve in yards after contact, with eight hundred

1654
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: and ninety six yards this year after first touch So

1655
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 2: while he's not one, while he's not two in those,

1656
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: he's doing that, and he's catching the ball, and he's

1657
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: scoring seventeen touchdowns, and he's running for one thousand plus

1658
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: yards like he does everything he does come off the field,

1659
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 2: but it's not as often as you would think with

1660
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 2: the price there like he's on the field. I don't

1661
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say super negative about him.

1662
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: I think if you're taking him the uh, the window

1663
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: of miss is so small here, so small. I think

1664
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 2: it's possible it's there, but it's not. It's the risk

1665
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: reward here.

1666
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: Here's so he reminds me of Astion Gentzy in this way,

1667
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: because I thought as genty was an incredibly consistent prospect.

1668
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: I think he catches Jeremiah Love runs way better routes

1669
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: than as GenZ, and he catches the football way better.

1670
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: But if if he goes to a team that is

1671
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: not set up to accommodate or handle the running back.

1672
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: He'll look like a bust. Like he'll maybe not a bust,

1673
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: but he'll look like he's a struggle. Yeah, he struggles.

1674
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: Because the other thing they showed up with all of

1675
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: these running backs is it's such a dependent position. Like

1676
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: when you're watching an old line struggle, I'm watching a

1677
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: back struggle, Like you know what I'm saying, Like there's

1678
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: this incredible like hand and glove type when the.

1679
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 2: Last time you've seen a running back have a top

1680
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 2: five year and the offensive line isn't good, Yeah, you

1681
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: just don't see it doesn't matter how good at a

1682
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 2: running back. It is like they may elevate a bad

1683
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: offensive line, but they're never going to have that top

1684
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: year because you needed two to go together. So that

1685
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: leads me to this with what Washington has done this

1686
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: offseason with their offensive line and what they have there

1687
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 2: and the addition of having a threat with the legs

1688
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: like Jadeen Daniels and throwing the ball. Yeah, what could

1689
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: love be if you plug him in right now? Like,

1690
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 2: is he is this a team where he can come

1691
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: and have the success that you're talking about?

1692
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: I think so, man, I really do. I think when

1693
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: you look at even the preffer pieces, you look at

1694
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: Ben Sinnet, you look at John Bates, like two of

1695
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: the better blocking pieces definitely in the vision. I think

1696
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: baits in the league. You're probably making a argument about

1697
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: him being the number one. Why get a stud left tackle?

1698
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: I think Josh Connelly as a run blocker is special.

1699
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: He's still growing as a past protector anchor. Some of

1700
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: that gross stuff, but really good player caused me. I

1701
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: think obviously the left guard situation is in flux, the

1702
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: center situations in flex. But Alec ready coming in. It

1703
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: just seems like they're ready for something like this and

1704
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: coupling that with Jayden and Daniels like you talked about

1705
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: with Terry McLaurin on the perimeter, with Chiga Conkquo like

1706
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: that ability to flex and getting different looks.

1707
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me ask you this. Then let

1708
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: me put it this way. Using your defense. Put a

1709
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator had one. Okay, you're the defensive coordinator for whoever,

1710
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: and you're coming in and you Jane and Daniels, you

1711
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 2: have that offensive line that you just talked about. Let's

1712
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: put Chris Paul there at Okay, So you have that

1713
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 2: offensive line, you have Chigaquonco out there, you have Terry McLaurin,

1714
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: you have Jeremi Love in the backfield with Jayden John

1715
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: Bates is in. What are we doing here?

1716
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the one thing is like can you.

1717
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 2: How are you matching up on defense? Who's going where?

1718
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it becomes a personnel thing for sure.

1719
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: It just the one question I have about this whole

1720
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: Jeremih Love thing is do you have enough horsepower on

1721
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: the perimeter of the offense, Like do you need another receiver?

1722
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: Because like when you look at Detroit as like a

1723
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: good model for this, like they had they had amanas

1724
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: Saint Brown obviously, but then they had Williams who can

1725
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: like absolutely take the top off. Is Dianmi Brown enough

1726
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: of that kind of vertical speedster to fill that role?

1727
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: If he is, then I think as a defensive coordinators

1728
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: have a hard time. Man, You've got a bunch of people,

1729
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: like it feels a lot like San Francisco with George

1730
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: Kittle Chicka Conquo.

1731
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 2: Are you playing man?

1732
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: So? I think you can play man? But I do

1733
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: think you've got two guys specifically who are designed perfectly

1734
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: to beat that, and it's Chicka Conquo on a linebacker safety,

1735
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: and then you got Jeremiah Love on a linebacker and

1736
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: you don't.

1737
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: Want turning your back to Jayden because he'll take off right,

1738
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 2: and so you're probably playing zone.

1739
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: And I think if you're willing to utilize Jeremiah Love

1740
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher, like as a real pass catcher

1741
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 1: in which a lot of people have a hard time doing,

1742
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: then I think you're in a brilliant out as an

1743
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: offense because of the quarterback, because of the ability to

1744
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: win versus one on one. But you get that that

1745
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: is a huge caveat there for the commanders, Like you

1746
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: have to utilize him as a pass catcher. You have

1747
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: to like and not just a back that's running back routes.

1748
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 1: You got to use them like uh Christian McCaffrey in

1749
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: San Francis.

1750
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: Yep, amazing, man. I love the running backs. Jeremiah Love

1751
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: is a fun one to talk about. I mean, you

1752
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: haven't watched them yet. I mean just go turn on

1753
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: highlights of them.

1754
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch them.

1755
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: Hurdle guys, he's got it. He's got a devastating spin

1756
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: move even in open field. Like he's creative, he's fast,

1757
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: He's physical, big, physical. It's so much fun to watch him.

1758
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: Any honorable mentions, Logan.

1759
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a a demand play.

1760
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: A couple, but it's not about me lately.

1761
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: Demond Clayboard I think is interesting as people talk about

1762
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: him running four three something at the Combine's He's a

1763
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 1: slight guy but can maybe return specialist bringing explosivelyaunt of

1764
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: your offense. Adam Randall, for me, I thought was really

1765
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 1: interesting from Clemson converted to wide receiver six three two thirty.

1766
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: The ability for him to run some of these routes

1767
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: from the backfield, run slant, run a go, run a

1768
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: rail and have enough size and he is raw as

1769
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: a back man, like disgustingly raw. Yeah, but like if

1770
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: you could figure it out, have him sit for a year,

1771
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: red shirt them kind of deal, maybe there's something there.

1772
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: But those are two guys that I thought would be

1773
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: good to shout out.

1774
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just say real quickly as kind of just

1775
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 2: fun little things to watch in the draft. No pun

1776
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:27,480
Speaker 2: intendant Desmond Reid from Pittsburgh. He's five to six one

1777
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 2: seven I mean, and he looks tiny on a film.

1778
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm five six Logan, So if you can see like

1779
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,440
Speaker 2: little me running.

1780
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: Girl the deuce. So it was his name from Uh,

1781
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: he was from Kansas State.

1782
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to the Cowboys. Yeah, just a little

1783
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: guy running around there. He doesn't have to speed. He

1784
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: didn't run fast enough. I think at the forty four

1785
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 2: or five five.

1786
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,480
Speaker 1: Did he really? Yeah, he's super short, area quick though, super.

1787
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: Short, airy quick. So it's just fun to see what

1788
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: happens when. Then there's Robert Henry Junior. Did you watch

1789
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: him at all?

1790
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: No? I have these other three guys you have I

1791
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: haven't watched.

1792
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas San Antonio. He's five nine, one ninety six.

1793
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: We're into four or five to two. The reason he's

1794
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: on here is that he kind of burst onto the

1795
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 2: scene this year because he had one hundred and seventy

1796
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: seven yard rushing game versus Texas A and M. So

1797
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: you can't quite ignore that he's got some flaws and

1798
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 2: things there, But as like a lottery ticket that someone

1799
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: may take interesting guy to kind of look at.

1800
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: Sure.

1801
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, running backs are fun because they're also hard

1802
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 2: to evaluate once you get in the later rounds, because

1803
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: they're kind of like pick your favorite flavor. I agree,

1804
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: what's built to sustain? What they need to come in

1805
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: and uh. But at the top end here with guys

1806
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: like Jeremiah Love for me, Nicholas Singleton, I think that

1807
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: there's there's some there's some real ballers up here at

1808
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 2: the time.

1809
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: Guy, maybe not real ballers, but guys that could grow

1810
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: into something special. Yeah, for sure. And I think like

1811
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: I talked to an NFL jim a couple of years

1812
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: ago about a running back class. He's like, do you

1813
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: think they can start in the league. I think there's

1814
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: four guys, maybe five guys if you want to put

1815
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: Kateron Allen in there for me that I think could

1816
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: start at the NFL, which is which is you know,

1817
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: I think all in all kind of a deep class.

1818
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: So okay, Logan, So what we're going to do is

1819
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 2: we're going to do our oh sorry, what we're going

1820
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: to do is we're going to do our five round

1821
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 2: mock draft here. Yep, I'm going to get this set up. Well,

1822
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: I get it set up. I want you to talk

1823
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 2: to me real quickly because this is running back and

1824
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 2: offensive driven for the Commanders. Why do you think that

1825
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: or maybe you don't think this, but a running back

1826
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 2: in the top ten a running back early is something

1827
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: that used to be frowned on. Money wise, Can you

1828
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 2: talk me through the idea of tying a value for

1829
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: position into a draft despite what may or may not

1830
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: be a blue chipper in those areas, Just talking me

1831
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: through that. Why is that this time?

1832
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I think when you're talking about the dollars

1833
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: and cents of football, like, it has to come into

1834
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: the equation at some point in some way. And so

1835
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: with Jeremiah Love, I think again, blue chip prospect might

1836
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: be a top five back, but he's also going to

1837
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: be paid right out the gate like a top five back.

1838
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: Like you're not getting the benefit of the rookie contract

1839
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: in the same way you might get it with an

1840
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: offensive tackle like we saw we just saw recently, like

1841
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsel he just signed. He's the first thirty million

1842
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: dollar man at tackle. A starting guy that you draft

1843
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: in the top five will make about twenty million bucks.

1844
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: You're saving ten million dollars. Receivers are another one that

1845
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting. You just saw Jackson Smith

1846
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,480
Speaker 1: and Jigba sign a forty two million dollars a year contract.

1847
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: So if you're drafting Carnel Tate, you're saving twenty million

1848
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: dollars on that rookie deal. And so I think that

1849
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: stuff while annoying, I think for a lot of fans

1850
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: and somewhat frustrating. And I understand that because it's like draft.

1851
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: The best player available is significant when you're talking about

1852
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: building a roster. So, for example, is the value better

1853
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: to take Carnell Tate or Makay Lemon at seven for

1854
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: the Commanders because the receiver contract value and then take

1855
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: a Mike Washington or Nicholas Singleton or k Tron Allen

1856
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: at seventy one because then you actually saving some money

1857
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: on the running back position. So it's frustrating. And this

1858
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: draft especially as kind of unusual in this way because

1859
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: the top positions are running back, you know, linebacker and

1860
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: safety in my estimation, and I think those guys are

1861
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a difficult decision to make.

1862
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: And guess what, Logan, what do we got. We're gonna

1863
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: have to make that decision here because that's just how

1864
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: this played out. So we are going to do five

1865
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 2: rounds here with the Washington Commanders. That's picked seven. That's

1866
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. We're gonna mock drafted here and

1867
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: let's try and pick guys that we haven't picked before,

1868
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: just to get different games out like the previous episodes

1869
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: that we've done.

1870
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: Have we picked jeremih Love before, we.

1871
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: Haven't, So real, quickly pick one for Nanda Mendoza. All right,

1872
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: here's how this draft went. Ruben Bain went to the Jets.

1873
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: They don't care about his arms.

1874
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Trevor Sikama is all over that. You just did the

1875
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: Athletic podcast and like they're doing draft picks. He had

1876
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: them go two there as well.

1877
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: So Sikima is one of the smartest guys in the

1878
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 2: biz when it comes to this stuff. And what I'm

1879
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: going to say here is that when we start getting

1880
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 2: closer to the draft, these guys that are really locked

1881
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: in the Daniel Jeremiah's, the mel Kiper's field needs is

1882
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 2: of the world, they're going to start putting out mock

1883
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 2: drafts that are going to be way different than their

1884
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: mock draft they did just three months ago. A lot

1885
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: of that is going to be because they get some

1886
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: insiders boys. So Sikama is saying, hey, really consider Ruben

1887
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 2: Bain here at too. I wouldn't take that as like

1888
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: a hot take at this point. These guys they want

1889
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 2: to be I don't want to say, like their main

1890
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: goals to be right, but they're trying to you. They're

1891
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: trying to drop little seeds in for you.

1892
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1893
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 2: So two was Ruben Bain, three was Rvel Reese, Four

1894
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 2: was Sunny Styles to the Titans. Five to was Carnel

1895
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 2: Tate to the New York Giants. Man Tate and neighbors.

1896
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: I wantn't want to deal with that. Yeah, David Bailey, Uh,

1897
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: he's a Cleveland Parados with Miles Garrett, which would it's tough.

1898
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: That's scary, Yeah, tough. The pass blocked out, so.

1899
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: That leaves us. Let's make our team scary.

1900
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So obviously the guys remaining are Jeremiah Love obviously

1901
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: running back from our name, Frince Smeliinoa from Miami the tackle,

1902
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,839
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs safety Ronal State, Mansor de Layne, the cornerback

1903
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: from LSU, and Dylan Thiedeman safety from Oregon. And I

1904
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: guess if you wanted to throw, you know, obviously there's

1905
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: mackay lemon Is still on the board than IONI. Those

1906
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: kind of guys are still here. And then the two

1907
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: offensive linemen that people have been talking about. And I

1908
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: think it's important to mention are Spencer Fano and Monroe Freeling.

1909
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Monroe feelings a little bit higher than I would have him,

1910
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: but Spencer Fano I think could definitely go in this

1911
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: range if you wanted to.

1912
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: Right, I think we're doing a running back show. I

1913
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: think talked about him to me. He's a blue chipper.

1914
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 2: He may be the best prospect. It's Tim and Caleb

1915
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: downs for me currently, but he may be the best.

1916
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: Actually right now, I'm just gonna say he's that's the

1917
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: best prospect for me.

1918
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: In the draft.

1919
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: I think so if I could take him at number seven,

1920
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: I know there's a dollar and cents argument to be made,

1921
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: but at some point the talent does kind of outweigh that.

1922
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1923
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: So for this mock draft, I want to convince you, Logan,

1924
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 2: let's not worry about the dollars and cents right now.

1925
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: Let's make our offense absolutely scared.

1926
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: H You're not gonna have to twist my arm too

1927
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: hard on this. I think, Yeah, if he's available and

1928
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: without the board fell, I think this is the right

1929
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of pick here for the Washington commanders.

1930
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: All right, So that takes us to pick seventy one.

1931
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to read off the four picks right ahead

1932
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: of US. YEP, just so people kind of have context.

1933
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: So the Raiders pick at sixty seven, they took Danny

1934
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Deny Sutton, the edge from Penn State. Sixty eight is

1935
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: Zachariah Branch over to Philadelphia. It looks like they made

1936
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: a little trade here to get it. So maybe the

1937
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: mock draft simulator here knows a little something about AJ

1938
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: Brown that we don't. Then Romelo Height the edge from Texas.

1939
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: Also short arms went to Houston to be a part

1940
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 2: of that pass rush down there.

1941
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: Like Antonio Williams.

1942
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams receiver from Clemson. He's a good player. He

1943
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: went seventy to the Cleveland Browns. I don't know, Logan,

1944
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: do you want to go offense? Defense? Best player available

1945
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: quote unquote here? What do you want to look at?

1946
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: I think just if you read the people on the

1947
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: board here, I like them. Derek More edge from Michigan,

1948
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,440
Speaker 1: I think has some real pass rushed juices. David Igbanos

1949
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: in the cornerback from Ohio State. Good football player. Again,

1950
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: there are some limitations. Mike Washington just talked about how

1951
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: much I like him. Then Dominique Orange, I think big

1952
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: Citrus would be interesting. I don't know if he fits

1953
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: exactly the defensive vision, but.

1954
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 2: Good defensive pack of Iowa State.

1955
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, good football player. So I

1956
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: would say, let's give a look to like receivers and

1957
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 1: then probably interior offensive line here. Just see what we

1958
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: have available here. So Elijah Sharrott receiver from Indiana, Dion

1959
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: Burk's receiver from Oklahoma, Ted Hurst from Georgia State, and

1960
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: Malachi Fields from Notre Dame.

1961
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: It'd be fun to pair him and Love up. But

1962
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: I would say that because we took Love and he

1963
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: is a dynamic receiver, I'm going to say, let's wait

1964
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 2: on recals. You were here, and maybe we can find

1965
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 2: like a piece that can, like you said earlier, can

1966
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 2: help take the top off an offense. Here, we can

1967
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 2: get some speed going. I think we can find that

1968
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: a little bit later.

1969
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So can we check out interior offensive line resolutely? Yeah,

1970
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: because you know, if there's a stud here, maybe that's

1971
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: the way to go. So Keilan Rutledge from Georgia Tech,

1972
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Connor Lou Sam Height and Jalen Farmer all guard center combinations,

1973
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Jake Slaughter, Logan Jones both centered. Both those guys are

1974
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Slaughter, very very good, Logan Jones,

1975
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: very good. Can you go to tackle QUICKSI if there's

1976
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: a convert maybe that would work there at guard because

1977
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them this year.

1978
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh your guy, my guy, Mark Halbell, I love stashing him.

1979
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: So Cage Casey from Boise State, I think is really

1980
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: interesting as a kind of guard center, kind of hybrid.

1981
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: And then again Trey's Zooon the third from Texas A

1982
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: and m he played left tackle, played like started five

1983
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: years or something crazy at Texas Tech.

1984
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Isaiah world.

1985
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Yep Isaiah in terms of left time, but.

1986
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: I think we could get him maybe later.

1987
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. So let's go to safety. They got a

1988
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: long runway and there's always a good safety here at

1989
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: seventy one usually, So what do we got? Bud Clark

1990
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: is our guy, Michael Taffy, anybody else, Let's go down.

1991
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: Cole was Newski's interesting, but I think we can get

1992
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: those guys later.

1993
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: VJ. Pain is interesting me from Kansas City.

1994
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 1: Like tall angular kind of guy. But again I think.

1995
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: Your guy Robert Spears Jennings is still here from ye Oklahoma.

1996
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say listen.

1997
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: To our safety and linebacker episode. If you want to

1998
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 2: hear more of these guys, by.

1999
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 1: The way, let's go to defensive line real quick, defensive

2000
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: tackle or yeah, edge, and then we can do defensive tackle,

2001
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: because I think that's the thing about this Yeah. So

2002
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Derek Moore I think might be the pick here again

2003
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 1: past rush upside, carry On Crawford. I like him a

2004
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: lot as well. Both guys that I think fit with

2005
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: what this Derante Jones defense wants to be. Let's just

2006
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: check the defensive tackle real quick, and then we can

2007
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: come back and make our final decision here. So Dominie Orange,

2008
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Darryl Jackson, h Rashawn Benny from Michigan. The guy that

2009
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: keeps jumping out to me in these marks is Caleb Procter.

2010
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: From from Southeastern Louis. I like him.

2011
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about flexibility. Plays Ken I think can play

2012
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: on ball end, but can also play three technique and

2013
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: pass rushing situations. Of the interior players in this draft,

2014
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: I think had the most sacks. So to me, if

2015
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: you talk about flexibility in a defense, that guy with

2016
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: plays with the air on fire, Maybe that's the pick.

2017
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: Kane kin Law Newton. Yeah, doctor, that's pretty nice.

2018
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: And again and I don't think it it is a

2019
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it covers any one of them up

2020
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: because of the flexibility that he brings as a inside

2021
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: outside kind of playing.

2022
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: And the very the very last one I just want

2023
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: to throw out to you is David Igmuanosen from Ohio

2024
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 2: State the.

2025
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Corner and the other one to me too is here

2026
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: and then but also Dalen Everett too. I think both

2027
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: those guys are iness.

2028
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Just just because I think that I could be add

2029
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: another guy to the room there, a young guy. You

2030
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: have a nice young secondary going on there, maybe something

2031
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: to consider. But I kind of like the idea of

2032
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Proctor me too, actually Southeastern Louisiana.

2033
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: And on this on the mock draft simulator, he's a

2034
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: little bit lower in terms of value at seventy one,

2035
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: but I like the flexibility he would bring the defense

2036
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: and getting that into your pass rush I think would

2037
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: be huge here.

2038
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Caleb Proctor, I'm going to see what we get.

2039
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nine saxis past year twenty six hurries like

2040
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 2: the guy was getting aff.

2041
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: And if you go watch the LSU game again, that's

2042
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 1: a big time program.

2043
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

2044
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: He's one of the better players on the field. So

2045
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm in on this as a guy.

2046
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 2: I definitely like him a lot, especially at this value.

2047
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 2: Adding to the defense. We just added and helped with

2048
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 2: jeremih Love. We made the offense more dynamic. Let's make

2049
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: the defensive line a little bigger, a little thicker, a

2050
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 2: little more explosive.

2051
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely more explosive for sure.

2052
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: All Right, So now we're all the way back to

2053
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: pick one forty seven in round five. Yeah, this is

2054
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 2: where I think we can maybe start looking at wide receivers.

2055
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 2: See what's around here.

2056
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh, Caleb Douglas from Texas Tech.

2057
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm a Josh Cameron fan.

2058
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Cameron would be excellent. Jeff Caldwell's here, Chase

2059
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: Roberts kind of that move slot. Big wide receiver Citrus

2060
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Allen had a great, great week at the Pro at

2061
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Let's let's look at some safeties maybe

2062
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: and some other positions. See what we got. But I

2063
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: think the receivers are always get in corner. Would we

2064
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: get to look at her too?

2065
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 2: Probably receiver has nice staff, I mean, Oh, Michael Taffy here, Yeah,

2066
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of that.

2067
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. In terms of role player again, some of the

2068
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: same guys V j Payne, Bishop Fitzgerald, Lorenzo Styles is

2069
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: a crazy to me that he's going to be here,

2070
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: but special teams kind of maven developmental piece. And then uh,

2071
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: let's do corner, just real quick, suit what we got.

2072
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Have you watched Charles Demings from he was at the

2073
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl?

2074
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 2: I did not.

2075
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have not watched him a ton yet,

2076
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: but good football play at the Senior Bowl was very good.

2077
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: Or at the Shrine Bowl. I forget. We've been to

2078
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: so many different bowls here. Ephijian's probably so guy that

2079
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: I love too, And then scroll there's one more name

2080
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: on there up the other way. Sorry, Yeah, is Devin Marshall. Yeah,

2081
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: for my DV show, I'm a fan. I think he's

2082
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: very consistent. I think he kind of fits with what

2083
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: this defense would be asking people to do. So interesting

2084
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: pick here would be uh Devin Marshall, I think from

2085
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: US North Carolina State.

2086
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with Devin Marshall. I like him as

2087
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 2: a player for sure. He was in my top ten.

2088
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you liked him a lot, and I think, again,

2089
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: very very consistent and just like a good football player.

2090
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: No combine invite, no bowl game, invite, but I think

2091
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: pack of a football player.

2092
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really happy at round five adding some depth

2093
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: theres you.

2094
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 1: See, and a guy that I think could eventually develop

2095
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: because of the instincts into a starter. If he's still

2096
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: here on the board at this moment, let's do it. Okay.

2097
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 2: So that's going to be our five rounds as the

2098
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders, and we have Jeremiah Love in the first round. Man,

2099
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,879
Speaker 2: that's going to be that's exciting offense. Man, that's exciting.

2100
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: Caleb Procter just to really add some athleticism and explosive

2101
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 2: and some flexibility, flexibility on the defensive line, and then

2102
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Devin Marshall filling out that. The depth there in this quarterback.

2103
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: Just incredibly consistent, and yeah.

2104
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm very happy with this man. One of the things

2105
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 2: that I'm finding as we do these show to show

2106
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 2: Adam Peters did such a good job here at Washington

2107
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: at for the last couple of years since he's been here,

2108
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 2: having the mentality of with free agency, making you not

2109
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 2: have to feel like you need to go.

2110
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: All accents, Yeah, depth, playmaking.

2111
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: None of these did we go we have to have this,

2112
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 2: you have to have this. It was like this guy

2113
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: looks great for what we could do the value let's go.

2114
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm totally with it and some and it's

2115
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: it's just fun to kind of talk about some new names.

2116
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: Also, I'm also going to real quickly say the obvious, man,

2117
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: doesn't it feel good to have Jade and Daniels.

2118
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 3: Here and we don't have to don't have to worry

2119
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 3: about are we still watching quarterbacks of the show. Yeah,

2120
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 3: we're still going to do that because because because other

2121
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 3: teams listen to this, we want to help them out, right, And.

2122
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Also it's good to kind of keep up with the evaluations.

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Speaker 2: And just because you have Jaden Daniels your franchise quarterback

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Speaker 2: in the building, does not mean that you don't have

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Speaker 2: somebody else come into that room. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: at all. Are we going to draft somebody be a starter? No, nope,

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Speaker 2: but you could see somebody, even a UDFA come in, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's important to know these guys are.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right, and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to kind of get into that. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: really interesting, not maybe dynamic quarterback group, but just some

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Speaker 1: guys that it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, but yeah, for this show, that's it.