Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bad You're Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena and we are here today with
Speaker 1: the Bachelor at herself Jen Jen, welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 2: It's good to be back. I missed you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we missed you too. We were saying right before
Speaker 1: you got here a year. This is your fourth time,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we're gonna probably have you at least
Speaker 1: two more times. That would be sick. So you might
Speaker 1: be the most interviewed person ever.
Speaker 3: Joey, this is up there, and so is Bryden from
Speaker 3: Charity season.
Speaker 1: We had him a lot too, We had.
Speaker 3: Him so many times. He's always on the podcast. He's great.
Speaker 3: But I feel like you're gonna rival them at some point,
Speaker 3: which is great because we love having you.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll think about it. Depends how this one goes.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's yeah, She's like, I hated it. I'm knocking back.
Speaker 1: It's like, fuck you guys, stop calling me on this. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's new? How you feeling?
Speaker 2: I'm feeling great? Nothing knew, nothing crazy new. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are you engaged now? Let's let's kind of break down.
Speaker 3: Wait, are you back in school?
Speaker 2: No? I could not be doing everything that I'm doing
Speaker 2: right now and being in school now. I tried to
Speaker 2: for like a week and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that, So no, I'm not in school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I no, that would be just so incredibly overwhelming.
Speaker 3: Do you know when you'll go back.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back in January. So I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: ride the waves out for the rest of the year
Speaker 2: and then yeah, go back to like really really normal
Speaker 2: life in January, which I'm excited for.
Speaker 3: That'll be perfect.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna break down. We want to break
Speaker 1: down this week's episode because it was wild and we
Speaker 1: need to talk about your acts coming back. But before
Speaker 1: we do, let's kind of get into just like you
Speaker 1: being a bachelorette, you know, or just night one, you're
Speaker 1: riding up in the limo. What's going on in your head?
Speaker 2: I mean, in my head, I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: this is nothing different than flirting with a bunch of
Speaker 2: men at the bar, except they're all coming to you
Speaker 2: out of a limo instead of like you to them
Speaker 2: at the bar and having them buy your drinks. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, I wasn't like, I was like kind
Speaker 2: of nervous, but not really. I feel like at that
Speaker 2: point I was like kind of all used to like
Speaker 2: the cameras and everything, so I was very much like
Speaker 2: trying to be myself as much as possible, and I
Speaker 2: really just had fun with it.
Speaker 1: Did you feel the difference though, from being in the
Speaker 1: limbo pulling up as the lead opposed to being in
Speaker 1: limo pulling up as a contestant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't black out this time around. Like I
Speaker 2: was so comfortable in my own skin and I wasn't nervous,
Speaker 2: and I felt like this time around, I felt really
Speaker 2: in control of things. Like I just felt like I
Speaker 2: knew what was going to happen, or like I knew
Speaker 2: what I was going to say, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like I felt just more comfortable in my own skin
Speaker 2: than the other way around. Where you come into this
Speaker 2: world that you've never been in before, and you're just
Speaker 2: kind of like a little sheep in a farm.
Speaker 3: That makes sense looking back now, What were the night
Speaker 3: when entrances that really stood out to you?
Speaker 2: Uh? I came with the balloons for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We really didn't talk about him much on Night one.
Speaker 3: But every time I think of Night one, I picture
Speaker 3: you and then I put your Headkeey with the balloons.
Speaker 2: Me too, Me too, because the balloons reminded me of
Speaker 2: the movie Up and I thought it was so cute,
Speaker 2: Like I really liked it.
Speaker 3: That's a sad movie, though I know I never watched it,
Speaker 3: because that's why everyone says.
Speaker 2: That one's also like kind of romantic, you know, when
Speaker 2: Jeremy pulled up with his nice car and his big
Speaker 2: penis whatever, that was a big moment as well. And
Speaker 2: then what else was there? Oh, Jonathan with the gown
Speaker 2: and the mask, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Were there any guys from their limo entrances that you
Speaker 1: knew you were keeping and or knew you were not keeping?
Speaker 1: Just based off of those.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I didn't like definitively say no in my head,
Speaker 2: but in my head I was like, well, give him
Speaker 2: a conversation, but if it's still like just not it,
Speaker 2: then he's going home kind of thing. Like I think
Speaker 2: I wasn't like a strict yes or no out of
Speaker 2: the limo. I really think the conversations later in the
Speaker 2: night played a big role in like my decisions.
Speaker 1: Was there anyone that you were felt more nervous around.
Speaker 2: On Night one? I don't know if I was maybe
Speaker 2: like Sam m I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: That that checks out. At least from the beginning of
Speaker 1: the first few episodes.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know if you're like this,
Speaker 3: but I am. I'm never really nervous about a first
Speaker 3: flirty convo with a hottie, but I get nervous once
Speaker 3: I realized I might like them, and that's when the
Speaker 3: nerves set in exactly.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think I was super nervous with him
Speaker 2: on night one, but as obviously as the episode's gone, like,
Speaker 2: I definitely got more nervous with him because then I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I like him, But on night one, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I was like really comfortable with a lot
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Nice. How did you feel about not being the mansion?
Speaker 2: It felt good. I mean, obviously there's like a sense
Speaker 2: of nostalgia, so like the Bachelor Mansion, and I was
Speaker 2: kind of looking forward to being back there and all
Speaker 2: the memories coming back. But I also felt like a
Speaker 2: sense of kind of refreshing, like renewal situation going on,
Speaker 2: because I was like, I am kind of breaking the
Speaker 2: mold in a lot of ways just being the first
Speaker 2: an Asian American bachelrette. And and so I think having
Speaker 2: a new mansion was like, was was good vibes? I
Speaker 2: liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: disclose this. Did you know that you were traveling right away?
Speaker 1: Did you know you were going to Australia?
Speaker 2: So I didn't exactly know, sort of like Jesse told
Speaker 2: me on the first night, and I was so excited,
Speaker 2: But I had heard kind of rumors beforehand from previous girls.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they knew that rumors were kind
Speaker 2: of going right, So I didn't know for sure.
Speaker 1: But also it wasn't like it was something that you
Speaker 1: were prepped with from the show. No, no, oh nice,
Speaker 1: that's actually that makes it more fun, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun when Jesse told
Speaker 2: me on the first thing, because I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: we're actually going Like that's insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. That was such a quick turnaround.
Speaker 3: Were you happy that you were kicking off your season
Speaker 3: with travel? I mean, it's been so cool seeing you
Speaker 3: guys travel to all these new places.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I love to travel. Also, Australia is a sick location.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go. It's been on my bucket list,
Speaker 2: so I was stoked, and I think it really it
Speaker 2: changes the show a little bit, you know, because usually
Speaker 2: you travel a little bit later and then things get
Speaker 2: a little bit more serious. But I think because we
Speaker 2: traveled so early, these relationships grew a lot faster.
Speaker 3: What was your thoughts on the veggiemite and the kangaroo testes.
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about that the kangaroo.
Speaker 2: Balls, that the kangaroo testicles were actual kangaroo testsles. I
Speaker 2: like to think of. I had that I a kangaroo
Speaker 2: meat ball, because like, no way, kangaroo tescles are actually
Speaker 2: perfectly that circular. I don't know, that just makes sense
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: They were really tiny too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine kangaroo testcles are a bit bigger.
Speaker 1: But I would think kangaroos have some big heavy ball
Speaker 1: I think so too.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, all about in Australia, they sell those kangaroo
Speaker 2: testicle beer openers. It's like a big thing in Australia.
Speaker 2: I bought like ten of them in my sensive family.
Speaker 2: And apparently they're like made out of real kangaroo high
Speaker 2: or kangaroo balls. I don't know. I haven't done a
Speaker 2: research on it, but it's.
Speaker 1: Not how similar is new Zealand and Australia.
Speaker 2: Pretty similar. It's same in the sense that it's a
Speaker 2: very laid back vibe. But when we were in Australia,
Speaker 2: we were in Melbourne, so it was very city and
Speaker 2: then when we were in Auckland, we had a lot
Speaker 2: more dates that were in the countryside, kind of more
Speaker 2: scenic dates, so we were out of the city a
Speaker 2: little bit more, which I love.
Speaker 1: So I think this happened in episode I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: this happens in episode two where we see you're having
Speaker 1: a conversation with Devin and Thomas Polls Devon and instead
Speaker 1: of you, and like they get into an argument, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that was I mean, it was really
Speaker 1: early on in the season, but like I feel like
Speaker 1: we really see you after that conversation kind of like
Speaker 1: step up and you're like, Okay, this is my fucking show,
Speaker 1: Like I'm the lead, Like what are you kind of doing?
Speaker 1: What was going through your head when that went down?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. We've never seen that before.
Speaker 2: I was definitely a little annoyed. I was just really confused.
Speaker 2: So it's funny now watching it back, seeing all the
Speaker 2: build up to that moment, like seeing what was going
Speaker 2: on in the house, but in them, I went like,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know
Speaker 2: there was drama or anything. So I was just sitting
Speaker 2: with Devin and Thomas pulls him aside instead of just
Speaker 2: talking to me, which I thought was weird, And immediately
Speaker 2: they're like arguing in the corner, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: right here, I can hear you, so I'm gonna go listen,
Speaker 2: like I want to know what's going on. I'm not
Speaker 2: just gonna sit here, and yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: thought it was like a weird way to kind of
Speaker 2: go about things. Personally, I think like the root of
Speaker 2: that issue was time and sees me being respectful of
Speaker 2: everybody's time and getting enough time with me, But then
Speaker 2: it felt like that counteracted the actual issue because then
Speaker 2: I was just sitting there alone instead of Tom's talking
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Watching all this back for the first time. What are
Speaker 1: you most shocked.
Speaker 2: About in that episode?
Speaker 1: Not that episode front four, Like what like the guy's bickering,
Speaker 1: like all the drama, Like you weren't privy to any
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the guy's drama. I had no idea obviously.
Speaker 2: In I think it was the second episode, when Aaron
Speaker 2: and Devin were kind of pulling each other from me
Speaker 2: during that group day cocktail party, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe there's something going on there, but I had no
Speaker 2: idea the extent of the big ring between the boys.
Speaker 1: If Aaron didn't send, if Aaron didn't have to leave
Speaker 1: for work, did you see that relationship going anywhere?
Speaker 2: To be honest, no, I you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: maybe see where things were going. But in my head
Speaker 2: at that point, I had some really strong connections with
Speaker 2: the other guys, so I wasn't necessarily like artwork and
Speaker 2: that Aaron was leaving. I was honestly just genuinely happy
Speaker 2: for him to get this opportunity that he's been wanting
Speaker 2: for so long.
Speaker 1: How pissed were you when he told you some of
Speaker 1: the guys are here for the wrong reasons and then
Speaker 1: didn't tell you who.
Speaker 2: Immediately so pissed? Okay, here's my thing with that is
Speaker 2: that if you're gonna say that you're gonna leave, that's great.
Speaker 2: I support you in all of your dreams, But then
Speaker 2: you tell me that there are people here not for
Speaker 2: the right not here for the right reasons, But then
Speaker 2: you won't tell me exactly who, and then you tell
Speaker 2: me that you trust my decision making, and then I'll
Speaker 2: make the right decision. But then it's like, if you
Speaker 2: trust me, don't don't tell me that, then yeah, that's
Speaker 2: gonna play out. And then and then that's that. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like him dropping that bomb was a little
Speaker 2: selfish in a way, because if you're gonna drop the bomb,
Speaker 2: like drop all of the bombs, that tell me who
Speaker 2: is like stick with your gut with it, you know.
Speaker 2: But he did it, and that is what aggravated me.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily that I would have trusted who he would
Speaker 2: have said, because at that point I trusted myself a
Speaker 2: lot more than this guy that I had just known
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. But it was just an
Speaker 2: annoying situation to have to do.
Speaker 3: It when he said that, were there any guys that like,
Speaker 3: and you don't have to say the names if you
Speaker 3: don't want to, or you can. Were there any guys
Speaker 3: that like jump to the front of your mind of like,
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's X this person or I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, I've already had those doubts about this person.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I immediately thought that Aaron was talking about
Speaker 2: done it, and I wanted him to just say it,
Speaker 2: like say.
Speaker 3: Right, because you know at this point that they already
Speaker 3: have beef.
Speaker 2: Exactly Like I wasn't blind. I knew that they had
Speaker 2: beef from the ice cream situation, so I wasn't dumb,
Speaker 2: but I was like, if you're gonna do it, like,
Speaker 2: man up and do it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the ice cream thing, I want to touch
Speaker 1: on that a little bit because you were someone on
Speaker 1: Joey's season who I thought was a little more You
Speaker 1: were a little more forward on group dates, like we
Speaker 1: kind of see you pull Joey to the side and
Speaker 1: like give him a kiss.
Speaker 3: I did the piano thing. You guys had a little
Speaker 3: piano moment in front of the group.
Speaker 1: So would you consider Devin pulling you for ice cream
Speaker 1: comparable to how you were on group dates or was
Speaker 1: it just way out of left field?
Speaker 2: No, I would pretty much agree that I kind of
Speaker 2: went into these groups on the other side with the
Speaker 2: mindset of, like, you got to make your own little moments,
Speaker 2: no matter what that is, And so for Devin to
Speaker 2: pull me for ice cream, I thought it was kind
Speaker 2: of in the same mindset of like, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to make a moment where I can and when I can,
Speaker 2: and I thought that it showed really great initiative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I liked it, but it seemed like
Speaker 1: watching it back where you shocked that all the guys
Speaker 1: were like, what the fuck I was?
Speaker 2: I was very to see that. Yeah, I had no
Speaker 2: idea if they were so it is so shook it
Speaker 2: up by it. Yeah, they hit it.
Speaker 3: So did you have any inclination though, because we did
Speaker 3: see that a lot of them were roasting Devin on
Speaker 3: that group date.
Speaker 2: I did see that, but I still at that point
Speaker 2: didn't know that that was a result of the ice cream.
Speaker 2: I gotcha, but I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Everyone's Yeah, like if anything, I would think in your situation,
Speaker 1: you'd probably think like he's kind of like the most
Speaker 1: outgoing in the house and probably friends with everyone, and
Speaker 1: that's why they're roasting him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking at that moment.
Speaker 2: I don't think I had anything made up, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: it just didn't know enough.
Speaker 3: Also, we saw a lot of the comments about Devon,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure there was a lot of other comments
Speaker 3: made to about other guys in the roasts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, She's.
Speaker 1: Like No, it was literally it was. It was everyone
Speaker 1: was just ripping on Devin.
Speaker 2: It actually kind of boys a lot of ripping on dev.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's cut to current episode four. We see
Speaker 1: Sam M gets Sam M.
Speaker 3: Sam and and yeah, we've been having a really hard
Speaker 3: time with the ms versus the ns for the Sam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't mess up the letters the roaster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably like, I've never enunciated better in my life.
Speaker 1: So you got you choose Sam M for your one
Speaker 1: on one date, and it just starts off really rough,
Speaker 1: like you don't want to do it, which I would hate.
Speaker 1: I personally would hate that.
Speaker 3: Joe and I are hates people.
Speaker 1: I'd have just been like, no, like I'm not doing it,
Speaker 1: like fuck off. But we kind of see Sam like
Speaker 1: makes the decision for you. So let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: I was pissed. I was really really pissed. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think I want I wanted someone to be there
Speaker 2: for me in that moment because I as soon as
Speaker 2: I landed in New Zealand, I saw the freaking tower
Speaker 2: and I said, I already jumped out of a plane.
Speaker 2: I'm not jumping off with the needle. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: Did you know that was a thing that people did.
Speaker 2: No, But funny enough, like our driver just like started
Speaker 2: talking about it. So in that moment I knew that
Speaker 2: was a thing then, but I was like that that
Speaker 2: won't be me. I'm not doing that. So when we
Speaker 2: got up there we were having drinks, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh God, there's just no way this is actually going
Speaker 2: to happen. So I was already scared yet for the way.
Speaker 3: Well, you've been on the show before, like as a contestant,
Speaker 3: so you know how it works. You're probably sitting at
Speaker 3: this table being like, there is a very good chance
Speaker 3: someone tries to get me to jump off this building.
Speaker 3: Like we're not here for no reason exactly.
Speaker 2: You're never just there for the view or something.
Speaker 3: No, you're like, oh, this date is not just a
Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty dinner reservation.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. So in the back of my kind
Speaker 2: of more news and I was, yeah, I was upset,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't hearing me out. I was like, you
Speaker 2: can't just make a decision for me, like you have
Speaker 2: to always ask me if I wanted to, and you
Speaker 2: didn't even do that. So in that moment, I was very,
Speaker 2: very upset.
Speaker 1: Was there any was because was there any like flirtatious flirtatiousness?
Speaker 1: Is that a word?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: A word right now? Was there any like? Was it
Speaker 1: more like was he trying to do it in a
Speaker 1: more of a flirty way or a fun way.
Speaker 3: Or what was his energy about the whole thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, if I'm getting it, was more so
Speaker 2: he was really he really is an adrenaline drunkie, so
Speaker 2: he knew he wanted to do it. And I think
Speaker 2: for him, as someone who doesn't really have a fear
Speaker 2: of heights or a fear of anything, it's like, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be fine at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's just a fear, but you'll get over it
Speaker 2: once you do it. So I think in the moment
Speaker 2: he wasn't necessarily thinking of how scared somebody could be.
Speaker 2: But obviously things turned around in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think maybe it was a
Speaker 2: little bit flirty, but also a little bit like I
Speaker 2: just know you're gonna be fine, so don't be scared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like the conversation, the communication wasn't aligned,
Speaker 3: like he wasn't getting what your problem with it was,
Speaker 3: and you weren't understanding how he could be so insensitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think that was like the upsetting
Speaker 2: part of it too, was like I was trying to
Speaker 2: communicate how scared I was and it wasn't see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're probably thinking, I'm already scared, I already
Speaker 3: don't want to do this, and now I'm at the
Speaker 3: very least going to have to go walk out there
Speaker 3: with someone that I'm not feeling very supported by in
Speaker 3: this moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely the kicker at that moment too.
Speaker 2: It was like, if I'm gonna have to do it,
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have done it with somebody
Speaker 2: who was supportive in the beginning.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what was worse walking around the building or
Speaker 1: just jumping.
Speaker 2: Walking around was so much you could see through the
Speaker 2: grates and they were like wide, wide gaps in between
Speaker 2: the greats that you were walking. It was, and it
Speaker 2: was windy and I didn't there were so many wires.
Speaker 2: I was like, which one's actually hooked up to me? Like?
Speaker 2: Which one do I hold on too? If I fall?
Speaker 2: I was like, I hated every second of that and
Speaker 2: we'll never do that. That is top like the most
Speaker 2: scary thing I've ever done my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the same. That reminded me of myself
Speaker 1: because the first time I, the first and only time
Speaker 1: I went skydiving, I did it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: never doing that again, Like I don't I don't need
Speaker 1: to do this shit ever again.
Speaker 3: And we were saying the walking, I feel like it's
Speaker 3: so much worse because you're like lingering in a place
Speaker 3: that you're so scared, whereas at least jumping you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to be scared. But then the
Speaker 3: minute I jump off, I just like I'd be like,
Speaker 3: just get me to the ground as fast as possible,
Speaker 3: Like get me off this platform and to the ground,
Speaker 3: because being on the platform is the worst part we
Speaker 3: have in Toronto. Like the sea In Tower has a skywalk,
Speaker 3: which is very very similar. You can't jump off the
Speaker 3: sea In Tower, but you can like hang off of
Speaker 3: it the same way that Sam m was, except it's
Speaker 3: not like your fully straight legged, like leaning backwards. I
Speaker 3: have friends and cousins that have done it, and it
Speaker 3: just looks like a horrible time.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm done with any sky towers, any space
Speaker 2: needs whatever. I'm done no more. Yeah, in my arch memesis,
Speaker 2: so I can't do it.
Speaker 3: So do you think the turning point in that date
Speaker 3: was when you eventually got emotional about the situation. Do
Speaker 3: you think it kind of took that for him to
Speaker 3: really see how scared you were?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think the turning point was when I
Speaker 2: really broke down and just started sobbing. And I think
Speaker 2: he realized, oh, she's not making this up. She's like
Speaker 2: actually terrified and is prying. So yeah, I think the
Speaker 2: tears definitely helped him come back to earth with it.
Speaker 3: And then how is he moving forward or how is
Speaker 3: the date moving forward?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean after we jumped, you know, it was
Speaker 2: I felt great. I forgot all about it. I said,
Speaker 2: I'm never thinking about this again, and and yeah, it
Speaker 2: was great from from then on.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the rugby date right now, well he needed
Speaker 1: to talk about within the rugby day. Now you watched this?
Speaker 1: Did you have you watched this back?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess sam N. Now let's let's go
Speaker 1: to sam N. So, so you know, what were your
Speaker 1: thoughts with how sam N was acting during the rugby game.
Speaker 2: During the rugby game, I thought that he was aggressive,
Speaker 2: but I thought that was. I think he used to
Speaker 2: play football in high school, so I thought that was
Speaker 2: just kind of like his like competitiveness just coming out.
Speaker 2: But I didn't think that there was malicious intent to it,
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't hearing exactly everything that he was saying,
Speaker 2: Like you know, in his after that he like was
Speaker 2: like trying to be super crazy about it. I just
Speaker 2: thought he was having he was just having fun and
Speaker 2: just showing his competitive side. But I thought I was
Speaker 2: like friendly to ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying earlier, kind of his his energy
Speaker 3: felt like he gave himself a pep talk and then
Speaker 3: chugged to Celsius and ran on the field. Like it
Speaker 3: just felt really elevated compared to what we've seen from
Speaker 3: him the past few weeks. Did it feel different to you?
Speaker 3: Did it feel like there was a shift in him
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 2: It felt like a shift, And honestly I was. I
Speaker 2: was surprised, and I liked it because I think, like
Speaker 2: having so many layers for a person and seeing different
Speaker 2: sides of them is fun. So I liked seeing a
Speaker 2: different side of him in that moment.
Speaker 3: Who else stood out during the rib of the date?
Speaker 2: Jonathan was a really good runner. He took a lot
Speaker 2: of tackles. John m was the MVP of the game.
Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, we haven't seen much of him, but
Speaker 3: he was good during the game.
Speaker 2: I know, he was amazing. I was. I was very,
Speaker 2: very impressed, and I think his personality really came out
Speaker 2: that day and I was excited about that.
Speaker 3: We saw Marcus hurt himself in the game. How bad
Speaker 3: was the injury or how bad did you think it
Speaker 3: might have been at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was worse than he was letting on.
Speaker 2: You know, the game, I kind of saw him take
Speaker 2: a blow and I didn't really understand how bad it
Speaker 2: was until we were kind of back in the locker
Speaker 2: room and drinking the champagne whatever, and he was being
Speaker 2: really really quiet, and I was like, oh, like he's
Speaker 2: actually like really hurt, you know, but he's putting on
Speaker 2: a break face, which is why I checked up on
Speaker 2: him after at the cocktail party.
Speaker 1: So as a lead, you make your first early cut chap,
Speaker 1: you get rid of Sam and the.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just how it goes sometimes I should do
Speaker 1: that as how the chop.
Speaker 3: Job, you guys are done, No Rose get.
Speaker 1: Out before like going into that conversation, did you. Did
Speaker 1: you know you were going to do that or were
Speaker 1: you just like, this guy is ten steps of head
Speaker 1: of where I am and I'm never going to get there.
Speaker 1: Did Did you come to that realization mid conversation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was kind of big conversation when
Speaker 2: he It was like when he came back and asked
Speaker 2: for a kiss. You know, I was like reevaluating where
Speaker 2: I was at with him in comparison to a lot
Speaker 2: of the other guys in the room, and with him,
Speaker 2: I think I realized, like, I love talking to him,
Speaker 2: and I loved kind of helping him along through whatever
Speaker 2: he was going through that day, and so I loved
Speaker 2: your little chats, but I don't think that I saw
Speaker 2: it as anything more so when he asked for that kiss,
Speaker 2: and I immediately kind of knew I didn't really want to.
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't spring him along anymore, and
Speaker 2: so I ultimately had to make that part decision and home.
Speaker 3: Were you surprised by what you saw with his behavior
Speaker 3: and conflict amongst the guys, like at the cocktail party
Speaker 3: while you were talking to other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, I have no idea what goes
Speaker 2: on in the house, So it's It's crazy watching it
Speaker 2: back to see how much conflict there is and how
Speaker 2: much I didn't know about it, which in a way
Speaker 2: is good. I'm glad no one wasted their time telling
Speaker 2: me about whatever was going on. But yeah, kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Going into your Devin date. Did you were you aware
Speaker 1: a little bit that Devin and sam m really didn't
Speaker 1: like each other?
Speaker 2: I actually had no idea.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay until I watched the show, No way.
Speaker 1: And how was that date seemed to be from beginning,
Speaker 1: middle and end seemed to be really a really great
Speaker 1: date and it seemed like you guys really started connecting
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the date set us up for success
Speaker 2: in a way that you know, the date wasn't just
Speaker 2: we were doing it tivy or anything like. We were
Speaker 2: also connecting in a lot of family values and just
Speaker 2: speaking about tradition and like where we come from and
Speaker 2: what makes this us. So we think the day portion
Speaker 2: was great for us to be able to connect on
Speaker 2: that and get vulnerable so early on that it was
Speaker 2: also easy to then later in the night get really
Speaker 2: vulnerable other things that make this us and connect on
Speaker 2: those as well. So I think the day overall was
Speaker 2: was really really good for us.
Speaker 3: I always think, like, for example, like Sam and watching
Speaker 3: episode four, I always think it's going to bring those
Speaker 3: people so much closure on the fact that you and him.
Speaker 3: For us as viewers, it's so clear you're not a fit.
Speaker 3: And for him to be able to see how far
Speaker 3: along your relationship with because like we see him go
Speaker 3: home and then your relationship with Devon right, and it's
Speaker 3: just two different stages. Like Devin is so many light
Speaker 3: years ahead in terms of you guys's connection and even
Speaker 3: like Sam m and some of the other guys, for
Speaker 3: sam And to be like, wow, like I hadn't even
Speaker 3: kissed her yet, and this is kind of where her
Speaker 3: other connections were. I always just think like, there's there's
Speaker 3: closure in that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. And that's why
Speaker 2: I'm like, I would never want to string anybody along
Speaker 2: because then if they watched that back and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: why did she even keep me along? If like she
Speaker 2: had all these other great connections.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what's the best part of dating multiple guys
Speaker 1: and falling for multiple guys that are so different from
Speaker 1: each other?
Speaker 2: That's part.
Speaker 1: And or worst part, I guess.
Speaker 2: I will say when I date, and I'm very much
Speaker 2: I have tunnel vision. I don't think about anybody else.
Speaker 2: I don't think about the other possibilities. I stay on
Speaker 2: one track and that's that. So for me to be
Speaker 2: able to explore and to constantly be open to all
Speaker 2: these different relationships, it really helped me kind of put
Speaker 2: into perspective and put into and have my priority straight
Speaker 2: on what I wanted out of a partner at the
Speaker 2: end of it all, you know, so I was able
Speaker 2: to really compare contrast each relationship and be like, this
Speaker 2: is what I like, this is what I don't like.
Speaker 2: Can this person provide me this or no? And it's like,
Speaker 2: if this person is providing me this and this one isn't,
Speaker 2: then the answer is easy, right, If you're dating in
Speaker 2: the real life and someone's not providing you with something,
Speaker 2: at least for me, I still have tunnel vision. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I really like all these other qualities, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to trying to make it work.
Speaker 3: And it's easy to be like, but what if no
Speaker 3: one gives me that? You know, what if I go
Speaker 3: out looking and I never find that in anyone, and
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I should just stick with what good
Speaker 3: things that I get here, because like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to go out and you know, not find what I'm
Speaker 3: looking for, but you're able to kind of see like
Speaker 3: someone will give it all to you and it's just
Speaker 3: a matter of finding the right person.
Speaker 1: You got options.
Speaker 2: Actually I like my options. I didn't know that I
Speaker 2: would be an options world, but I.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, let we won't take up too much more
Speaker 1: of your time. Last segment, we do need to touch
Speaker 1: on Matthew Matthew. Matthew Matthew. So watching it back, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I think this was more of
Speaker 1: a fling, and I felt like Jen doesn't really didn't
Speaker 1: really know he felt this strongly about her. But that's
Speaker 1: just my That's that's what I took from it, and
Speaker 1: I could be one hundred percent wrong. So, yeah, you
Speaker 1: want to just kind of break down the situation.
Speaker 3: And yeah, your history with this guy before we chat
Speaker 3: about him showing up in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, so we had dated when I lived in
Speaker 2: Boston about three years ago. We met on him to
Speaker 2: we dated for like wemonsish.
Speaker 3: And exclusively, like he was your boyfriend, you were only
Speaker 3: dating him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was me and him, and we were a boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever,
Speaker 2: and then things just like didn't really work out. He
Speaker 2: was really young, I was really young, you know, like
Speaker 2: a classic. So and then I think like a few
Speaker 2: months had passed and then we kind of got back
Speaker 2: together for a little bit, and then I decided this
Speaker 2: was just like not it. And then I think a
Speaker 2: few more months had passed after that second like reincarnation,
Speaker 2: and I was so happy with that because he is
Speaker 2: someone who's like such a good person, and I kind
Speaker 2: of came to terms with the fact that like we're
Speaker 2: at different like places in our lives. So we had
Speaker 2: stayed in touch as friends for like a couple of
Speaker 2: years like here and there, like nothing crazy, and then
Speaker 2: after or Joey's season, we did talk on the phone
Speaker 2: every now and then about like TikTok stuff and all
Speaker 2: this stuff, and we really somebody could talk to you about,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff on TikTok and whatever else is going
Speaker 2: on my life. And I've known him for so long.
Speaker 2: He knows my family, I know his family, so like
Speaker 2: we have this history and I found comfort in that,
Speaker 2: and so I was really really surprised when he came
Speaker 2: and basically confessed his love yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what were the reasons because you said you
Speaker 3: kind of tried, you didn't work out. You tried, it
Speaker 3: didn't work out. Was there like one big reason that
Speaker 3: it wasn't working out or was it just like you
Speaker 3: guys were arguing, you weren't connecting.
Speaker 2: We did it three years ago, so we were just
Speaker 2: so young and so like he never prioritized me, and
Speaker 2: I was still learning so much about myself. I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to communicate, I didn't know how to be
Speaker 2: in a good relationship. Like I was just like I
Speaker 2: was kind of a mess too. So you know, like
Speaker 2: it just didn't work out.
Speaker 3: Right, like at the time, because you guys were so young,
Speaker 3: you didn't have the skills to kind of nourish a
Speaker 3: healthy relationship together, and it kind of just fizzled out.
Speaker 1: All right. So so it's three years into the future,
Speaker 1: You're now the bachelorette dating multiple men, and Matthew shows
Speaker 1: up in New Zealand and you see him. What is
Speaker 1: going on? What is going through your head?
Speaker 2: Funny enough, my very very initial reaction was shocked. I
Speaker 2: was like, what the heck is he doing here? But
Speaker 2: then I was also like, oh my god, like a
Speaker 2: friendly face like, and I hugged him and then and
Speaker 2: in my head I was kind of like, oh, is
Speaker 2: he look cure to the advice or something? And then
Speaker 2: and then it kind of clicked. I was like, no way,
Speaker 2: he's here to give me advice. That would be really
Speaker 2: weird too. So I kind of slowly was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I kind of get why you're here. But then I
Speaker 2: was also like why are you here? So I was
Speaker 2: very shocked. We were in New Zealand. It's like, if
Speaker 2: we were in I don't know, Kansas, i'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this makes sense, But we were in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. I would also be jarred. Do you
Speaker 3: So he he mentions, you know, you guys are chatting
Speaker 3: and he's like, I came right from like Columbia, I think,
Speaker 3: he said. And then you're like, you ditched the weddings.
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't go to the weddings, were you?
Speaker 3: I don't. I think I know the esswers. I just
Speaker 3: want to clarify for people listening. Were you supposed to
Speaker 3: go to those weddings with him?
Speaker 2: So, you know, there was a free trip to Columbia
Speaker 2: on the table at some point, and I had said,
Speaker 2: Matthew is a really good friend of mine. He needs
Speaker 2: a little date. He wants to give me a free
Speaker 2: trip to Columbia. Why not so I was supposed to
Speaker 2: go to these weddings?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah plus one Okay, because he says he tells you
Speaker 1: that he loves you, and you're like, well, you could
Speaker 1: have told me this a long time ago. So then
Speaker 1: when he drops that bomb and then you kind of
Speaker 1: put together like, oh wow, this is why he's here.
Speaker 3: What goes through your mind?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you were like, you could have told me
Speaker 1: this years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't know. I was at that
Speaker 2: point kind of questioning his intentions. I was like, why
Speaker 2: are you here? You did have a chance to tell me,
Speaker 2: like at any other point in time before right now?
Speaker 2: Why is it right now? So I think I was
Speaker 2: really just trying to get into his mindset a little
Speaker 2: bit more and kind of really understand why he took
Speaker 2: this risk to fly all the way around the world
Speaker 2: to New Zealand. Yeah. I was just so shocked.
Speaker 1: When you say question his intentions, does he strike was?
Speaker 1: Is he the type of guy that you think would
Speaker 1: just like want to be on the show.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, like you can never really know what
Speaker 2: people's true intentions are. Sometimes, like the reality of it
Speaker 2: is like we are on a TV show that sometimes
Speaker 2: people go on to for other reasons than love. So
Speaker 2: I mean you gotta ask the questions.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I mean that's what I would be thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like if it was an ex that
Speaker 1: I used to date and came back on the show
Speaker 1: and it's like, all of a sudden, like hey, I'm
Speaker 1: in love with you, and I was like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? What are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And then I would be thinking a million different options.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so crazy because like if you were just
Speaker 3: on like a vacation in New Zealand with like some
Speaker 3: friends and a guy that you were newly dating and
Speaker 3: you were like maybe getting serious with, It's like, would
Speaker 3: he be flying his asset to New Zealand to declare
Speaker 3: his love? That's probably why you're like.
Speaker 1: It feels yeah, but but but then again, it's not
Speaker 1: like after the vacation she's going to be engaged.
Speaker 3: I can totally sympathize with why, Like it's a the
Speaker 3: pressure's on, right, He's thinking, oh my god, there's a
Speaker 3: good chance in a month she's engaged and I'm never
Speaker 3: gonna have the chance to say this. But it's just
Speaker 3: so funny how this environment affects people outside of it
Speaker 3: so drastically as well, Like Matthew has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with this experience when you're on it, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he's in New Zealand professing his love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the weirdest part. Was like I'm kind
Speaker 2: of in this new world now and it's my world,
Speaker 2: and then like someone from my past comes into this
Speaker 2: world and it's like a sense of familiarity almost, so
Speaker 2: it's like a sense of comfort having somebody there that
Speaker 2: kind of knew me.
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, I think we've seen that in
Speaker 3: past shows, Like I would argue, like watching Blake Moyn's
Speaker 3: Going Katie Thurston season, like there's comfort in that even
Speaker 3: of like you've been here before, like you know this
Speaker 3: world as well, and like having been on the show,
Speaker 3: you are very isolated and you're you're dating all these guys,
Speaker 3: but you're still getting to know them. So like seeing
Speaker 3: a familiar face I can totally sympathize with even if
Speaker 3: you left to go film the show on friendship terms
Speaker 3: with this guy. There is that excitement about seeing him
Speaker 3: of like, I know you and I feel comfortable with you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Jem, before we let you leave, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: a quick game. You ready wrap a fire?
Speaker 2: Let's do it, all right?
Speaker 1: Of your guy? Who's the funniest, Pete Davidson, Devin, who's
Speaker 1: the shyest.
Speaker 2: Johan?
Speaker 1: Who made you the most nervous?
Speaker 2: Uh Sam?
Speaker 1: Who dressed the best?
Speaker 2: Uh? Grant?
Speaker 1: Who matched your intelligence level the best? I would not
Speaker 1: answer that.
Speaker 3: It's like no one, They're all stupid.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with that nobody.
Speaker 1: Because of your journey overall, what piece of advice ended
Speaker 1: up being the most useful.
Speaker 2: It was a piece of advice that one of my
Speaker 2: best friends gave me in a letter that she wrote
Speaker 2: me before I left the show, and I was reading
Speaker 2: it every now and then, and it was Matthew, No,
Speaker 2: it was she wrote something like, she she's she is married,
Speaker 2: so she was giving me advice and she's liked, you
Speaker 2: want to find someone who is going to think you're
Speaker 2: the funniest girl in the room no matter what. And
Speaker 2: to me, what that really meant was find someone who
Speaker 2: intentionally is always going to make you feel celebrated no
Speaker 2: matter what, Like even if I make the like the
Speaker 2: dumbest show ever, give me a pity laugh, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And so for me, it goes beyond
Speaker 2: even a joke and it's more just partner who's thoughtful.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's good advice.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite group date now we've seen so far?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, the rugby date was really fun.
Speaker 3: You were funny on that date. You had me laughing
Speaker 3: because Jesse is like such a professional, because that's what
Speaker 3: he does for a living. Is like he's a sports
Speaker 3: sports announcer. Is that the term sportscaster?
Speaker 1: Sportscaster?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and else he would he would like do his
Speaker 3: whole like professional spiel at the end, at the end,
Speaker 3: be like yay, I was in.
Speaker 2: All just watching him do this thing.
Speaker 3: And then I'd be like, yeah, oh my god, yeah
Speaker 3: what he said.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite one on one activity thus.
Speaker 2: Far, Rety? The helicopter ride over the twelve Apostles was
Speaker 2: absolutely like stunning. I've never seen anything like it before.
Speaker 2: That was really incredible.
Speaker 1: What episode were you most excited to watch back?
Speaker 2: Episode four?
Speaker 1: What moment thus far has been the most fun to
Speaker 1: watch back.
Speaker 2: The stripping jig.
Speaker 3: That was a fun date.
Speaker 1: And to end this off, and also I have one
Speaker 1: more question after this that I want to ask and
Speaker 1: to end this off, if you could describe your season
Speaker 1: in one word, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Adventurous?
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny is every guy's come on
Speaker 3: here and described it as like toxic, tumultuous, like chaotic,
Speaker 3: like what it's all toxic? But like the inn it's
Speaker 3: all been like really like intense, like ferocious. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: this intense verbiage being used, but like you wouldn't know
Speaker 3: because it's all the male drama that you're not seeing.
Speaker 3: So when Joe askedid, I'm like, it's gonna be so
Speaker 3: funny to hear your answer because it's gonna be so
Speaker 3: different than like all.
Speaker 2: The cast romantic and they're all like insane.
Speaker 3: They're like detrimental. What do you think of the phrase?
Speaker 3: Is this something that you came up with? The what
Speaker 3: do they keep saying?
Speaker 1: Thing?
Speaker 3: But the main thing, the main thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was the thing until I watched
Speaker 2: the show that Okay, the main thing is the main thing.
Speaker 1: Once you once you finally you wrap the season, you're
Speaker 1: done filming. How fast do you then go? Do you
Speaker 1: go look at all these guys instagrams or or their
Speaker 1: social media accounts are like, let me who was this guy?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Who did I cut?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. Absolutely, I stalked every
Speaker 2: single one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely before we let you go. Last question, how
Speaker 3: would you tease the rest of your season?
Speaker 2: I would say that there are a couple of turning
Speaker 2: points for me as a as a person and as
Speaker 2: someone who's dating somebody or people like I had a
Speaker 2: turning point in terms of relationships and realizing what I
Speaker 2: want and what I deserve.
Speaker 3: Amazing. I'm excited, can't wait.
Speaker 1: Jen, Thank you so much for taking the time. We
Speaker 1: know how busy you are. We're really enjoying watching your season.
Speaker 1: It's very toxic. Yeah, thank you for coming on a
Speaker 1: happy Hour.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I love chatting with you guys.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to have you back when we can do
Speaker 3: a full reflection on this season because we're only on
Speaker 3: episode four and so much has happened, and I just
Speaker 3: know there's so much more to come. But if you're
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