1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bad You're Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena and we are here today with 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: the Bachelor at herself Jen Jen, welcome back. How are you. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: It's good to be back. I missed you guys. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we missed you too. We were saying right before 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: you got here a year. This is your fourth time, 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we're gonna probably have you at least 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: two more times. That would be sick. So you might 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: be the most interviewed person ever. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: Joey, this is up there, and so is Bryden from 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: Charity season. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: We had him a lot too, We had. 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 3: Him so many times. He's always on the podcast. He's great. 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: But I feel like you're gonna rival them at some point, 15 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: which is great because we love having you. 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'll think about it. Depends how this one goes. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: Okay, that's yeah, She's like, I hated it. I'm knocking back. 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: It's like, fuck you guys, stop calling me on this. Okay, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: what's new? How you feeling? 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I'm feeling great? Nothing knew, nothing crazy new. I don't know. 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Are you engaged now? Let's let's kind of break down. 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: Wait, are you back in school? 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: No? I could not be doing everything that I'm doing 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: right now and being in school now. I tried to 25 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: for like a week and I was like, I'm not 26 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: doing that, So no, I'm not in school. 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I no, that would be just so incredibly overwhelming. 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: Do you know when you'll go back. 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back in January. So I'm just gonna 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: ride the waves out for the rest of the year 31 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: and then yeah, go back to like really really normal 32 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: life in January, which I'm excited for. 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: That'll be perfect. 34 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna break down. We want to break 35 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: down this week's episode because it was wild and we 36 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: need to talk about your acts coming back. But before 37 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: we do, let's kind of get into just like you 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: being a bachelorette, you know, or just night one, you're 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: riding up in the limo. What's going on in your head? 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: I mean, in my head, I was kind of like, 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: this is nothing different than flirting with a bunch of 42 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: men at the bar, except they're all coming to you 43 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: out of a limo instead of like you to them 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: at the bar and having them buy your drinks. So 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, I wasn't like, I was like kind 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: of nervous, but not really. I feel like at that 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: point I was like kind of all used to like 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: the cameras and everything, so I was very much like 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: trying to be myself as much as possible, and I 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: really just had fun with it. 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: Did you feel the difference though, from being in the 52 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: limbo pulling up as the lead opposed to being in 53 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: limo pulling up as a contestant. 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't black out this time around. Like I 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: was so comfortable in my own skin and I wasn't nervous, 56 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: and I felt like this time around, I felt really 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: in control of things. Like I just felt like I 58 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: knew what was going to happen, or like I knew 59 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: what I was going to say, Like I don't know, 60 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: Like I felt just more comfortable in my own skin 61 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: than the other way around. Where you come into this 62 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: world that you've never been in before, and you're just 63 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: kind of like a little sheep in a farm. 64 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 3: That makes sense looking back now, What were the night 65 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: when entrances that really stood out to you? 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: Uh? I came with the balloons for sure. Yeah. 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 3: We really didn't talk about him much on Night one. 68 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: But every time I think of Night one, I picture 69 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: you and then I put your Headkeey with the balloons. 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: Me too, Me too, because the balloons reminded me of 71 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: the movie Up and I thought it was so cute, 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: Like I really liked it. 73 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 3: That's a sad movie, though I know I never watched it, 74 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: because that's why everyone says. 75 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: That one's also like kind of romantic, you know, when 76 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: Jeremy pulled up with his nice car and his big 77 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: penis whatever, that was a big moment as well. And 78 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: then what else was there? Oh, Jonathan with the gown 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: and the mask, and yeah. 80 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Were there any guys from their limo entrances that you 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: knew you were keeping and or knew you were not keeping? 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Just based off of those. 83 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I didn't like definitively say no in my head, 84 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: but in my head I was like, well, give him 85 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: a conversation, but if it's still like just not it, 86 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: then he's going home kind of thing. Like I think 87 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: I wasn't like a strict yes or no out of 88 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: the limo. I really think the conversations later in the 89 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: night played a big role in like my decisions. 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: Was there anyone that you were felt more nervous around. 91 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: On Night one? I don't know if I was maybe 92 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: like Sam m I think, yeah. 93 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: That that checks out. At least from the beginning of 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: the first few episodes. 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know if you're like this, 96 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: but I am. I'm never really nervous about a first 97 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: flirty convo with a hottie, but I get nervous once 98 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: I realized I might like them, and that's when the 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: nerves set in exactly. 100 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: Like, I don't think I was super nervous with him 101 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: on night one, but as obviously as the episode's gone, like, 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: I definitely got more nervous with him because then I 103 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I like him, But on night one, yeah, 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: I mean I was like really comfortable with a lot 105 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: of them. 106 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: Nice. How did you feel about not being the mansion? 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: It felt good. I mean, obviously there's like a sense 108 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: of nostalgia, so like the Bachelor Mansion, and I was 109 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: kind of looking forward to being back there and all 110 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: the memories coming back. But I also felt like a 111 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: sense of kind of refreshing, like renewal situation going on, 112 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: because I was like, I am kind of breaking the 113 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: mold in a lot of ways just being the first 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 2: an Asian American bachelrette. And and so I think having 115 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: a new mansion was like, was was good vibes? I 116 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: liked it. 117 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you could 118 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: disclose this. Did you know that you were traveling right away? 119 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Did you know you were going to Australia? 120 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: So I didn't exactly know, sort of like Jesse told 121 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: me on the first night, and I was so excited, 122 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: But I had heard kind of rumors beforehand from previous girls. 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: I don't know how they knew that rumors were kind 124 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: of going right, So I didn't know for sure. 125 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: But also it wasn't like it was something that you 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: were prepped with from the show. No, no, oh nice, 127 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: that's actually that makes it more fun, I think. 128 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun when Jesse told 129 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: me on the first thing, because I was like, oh, okay, 130 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: we're actually going Like that's insane. 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. That was such a quick turnaround. 132 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: Were you happy that you were kicking off your season 133 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: with travel? I mean, it's been so cool seeing you 134 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: guys travel to all these new places. 135 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: Honestly, I love to travel. Also, Australia is a sick location. 136 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go. It's been on my bucket list, 137 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: so I was stoked, and I think it really it 138 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: changes the show a little bit, you know, because usually 139 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: you travel a little bit later and then things get 140 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: a little bit more serious. But I think because we 141 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: traveled so early, these relationships grew a lot faster. 142 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: What was your thoughts on the veggiemite and the kangaroo testes. 143 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about that the kangaroo. 144 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: Balls, that the kangaroo testicles were actual kangaroo testsles. I 145 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: like to think of. I had that I a kangaroo 146 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: meat ball, because like, no way, kangaroo tescles are actually 147 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: perfectly that circular. I don't know, that just makes sense 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: to me. 149 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: They were really tiny too. 150 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine kangaroo testcles are a bit bigger. 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: But I would think kangaroos have some big heavy ball 152 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: I think so too. 153 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, all about in Australia, they sell those kangaroo 154 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: testicle beer openers. It's like a big thing in Australia. 155 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: I bought like ten of them in my sensive family. 156 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: And apparently they're like made out of real kangaroo high 157 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: or kangaroo balls. I don't know. I haven't done a 158 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: research on it, but it's. 159 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Not how similar is new Zealand and Australia. 160 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: Pretty similar. It's same in the sense that it's a 161 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: very laid back vibe. But when we were in Australia, 162 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: we were in Melbourne, so it was very city and 163 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: then when we were in Auckland, we had a lot 164 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: more dates that were in the countryside, kind of more 165 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: scenic dates, so we were out of the city a 166 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: little bit more, which I love. 167 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: So I think this happened in episode I'm pretty sure 168 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: this happens in episode two where we see you're having 169 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: a conversation with Devin and Thomas Polls Devon and instead 170 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: of you, and like they get into an argument, and 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that was I mean, it was really 172 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: early on in the season, but like I feel like 173 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: we really see you after that conversation kind of like 174 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: step up and you're like, Okay, this is my fucking show, 175 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: Like I'm the lead, Like what are you kind of doing? 176 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: What was going through your head when that went down? 177 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. We've never seen that before. 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: I was definitely a little annoyed. I was just really confused. 179 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: So it's funny now watching it back, seeing all the 180 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: build up to that moment, like seeing what was going 181 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: on in the house, but in them, I went like, 182 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know 183 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: there was drama or anything. So I was just sitting 184 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: with Devin and Thomas pulls him aside instead of just 185 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: talking to me, which I thought was weird, And immediately 186 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: they're like arguing in the corner, and I'm like, I'm 187 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: right here, I can hear you, so I'm gonna go listen, 188 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: like I want to know what's going on. I'm not 189 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: just gonna sit here, and yeah, I don't know. I 190 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: thought it was like a weird way to kind of 191 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: go about things. Personally, I think like the root of 192 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: that issue was time and sees me being respectful of 193 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: everybody's time and getting enough time with me, But then 194 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: it felt like that counteracted the actual issue because then 195 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: I was just sitting there alone instead of Tom's talking 196 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: to me. 197 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Watching all this back for the first time. What are 198 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: you most shocked. 199 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 2: About in that episode? 200 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: Not that episode front four, Like what like the guy's bickering, 201 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: like all the drama, Like you weren't privy to any 202 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: of that. 203 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the guy's drama. I had no idea obviously. 204 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: In I think it was the second episode, when Aaron 205 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: and Devin were kind of pulling each other from me 206 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: during that group day cocktail party, I was like, Okay, 207 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: maybe there's something going on there, but I had no 208 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: idea the extent of the big ring between the boys. 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: If Aaron didn't send, if Aaron didn't have to leave 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: for work, did you see that relationship going anywhere? 211 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: To be honest, no, I you know, I wanted to 212 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: maybe see where things were going. But in my head 213 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: at that point, I had some really strong connections with 214 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: the other guys, so I wasn't necessarily like artwork and 215 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: that Aaron was leaving. I was honestly just genuinely happy 216 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: for him to get this opportunity that he's been wanting 217 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: for so long. 218 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: How pissed were you when he told you some of 219 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: the guys are here for the wrong reasons and then 220 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: didn't tell you who. 221 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: Immediately so pissed? Okay, here's my thing with that is 222 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: that if you're gonna say that you're gonna leave, that's great. 223 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: I support you in all of your dreams, But then 224 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: you tell me that there are people here not for 225 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: the right not here for the right reasons, But then 226 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: you won't tell me exactly who, and then you tell 227 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: me that you trust my decision making, and then I'll 228 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: make the right decision. But then it's like, if you 229 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 2: trust me, don't don't tell me that, then yeah, that's 230 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: gonna play out. And then and then that's that. Like 231 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: I feel like him dropping that bomb was a little 232 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: selfish in a way, because if you're gonna drop the bomb, 233 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: like drop all of the bombs, that tell me who 234 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: is like stick with your gut with it, you know. 235 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: But he did it, and that is what aggravated me. 236 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Not necessarily that I would have trusted who he would 237 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: have said, because at that point I trusted myself a 238 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: lot more than this guy that I had just known 239 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks. But it was just an 240 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: annoying situation to have to do. 241 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: It when he said that, were there any guys that like, 242 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: and you don't have to say the names if you 243 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: don't want to, or you can. Were there any guys 244 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: that like jump to the front of your mind of like, 245 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: I wonder if it's X this person or I thought, 246 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: you know, I've already had those doubts about this person. 247 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I immediately thought that Aaron was talking about 248 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: done it, and I wanted him to just say it, 249 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: like say. 250 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: Right, because you know at this point that they already 251 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: have beef. 252 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: Exactly Like I wasn't blind. I knew that they had 253 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: beef from the ice cream situation, so I wasn't dumb, 254 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: but I was like, if you're gonna do it, like, 255 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: man up and do it. 256 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of the ice cream thing, I want to touch 257 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: on that a little bit because you were someone on 258 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: Joey's season who I thought was a little more You 259 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: were a little more forward on group dates, like we 260 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of see you pull Joey to the side and 261 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: like give him a kiss. 262 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: I did the piano thing. You guys had a little 263 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: piano moment in front of the group. 264 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: So would you consider Devin pulling you for ice cream 265 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: comparable to how you were on group dates or was 266 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: it just way out of left field? 267 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 2: No, I would pretty much agree that I kind of 268 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: went into these groups on the other side with the 269 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: mindset of, like, you got to make your own little moments, 270 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: no matter what that is, And so for Devin to 271 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: pull me for ice cream, I thought it was kind 272 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: of in the same mindset of like, I'm just going 273 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: to make a moment where I can and when I can, 274 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,479 Speaker 2: and I thought that it showed really great initiative. 275 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I liked it, but it seemed like 276 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: watching it back where you shocked that all the guys 277 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: were like, what the fuck I was? 278 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: I was very to see that. Yeah, I had no 279 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: idea if they were so it is so shook it 280 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: up by it. Yeah, they hit it. 281 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: So did you have any inclination though, because we did 282 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: see that a lot of them were roasting Devin on 283 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: that group date. 284 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: I did see that, but I still at that point 285 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: didn't know that that was a result of the ice cream. 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: I gotcha, but I was like, oh, that's interesting. 287 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Everyone's Yeah, like if anything, I would think in your situation, 288 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: you'd probably think like he's kind of like the most 289 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: outgoing in the house and probably friends with everyone, and 290 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: that's why they're roasting him. 291 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking at that moment. 292 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: I don't think I had anything made up, Yeah, because 293 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: it just didn't know enough. 294 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: Also, we saw a lot of the comments about Devon, 295 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: but I'm sure there was a lot of other comments 296 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 3: made to about other guys in the roasts. 297 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, She's. 298 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: Like No, it was literally it was. It was everyone 299 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: was just ripping on Devin. 300 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: It actually kind of boys a lot of ripping on dev. 301 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's cut to current episode four. We see 302 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: Sam M gets Sam M. 303 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: Sam and and yeah, we've been having a really hard 304 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: time with the ms versus the ns for the Sam. 305 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't mess up the letters the roaster. 306 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably like, I've never enunciated better in my life. 307 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: So you got you choose Sam M for your one 308 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: on one date, and it just starts off really rough, 309 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: like you don't want to do it, which I would hate. 310 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: I personally would hate that. 311 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: Joe and I are hates people. 312 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: I'd have just been like, no, like I'm not doing it, 313 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: like fuck off. But we kind of see Sam like 314 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: makes the decision for you. So let's talk about that. 315 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: I was pissed. I was really really pissed. I don't know, 316 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: I think I want I wanted someone to be there 317 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: for me in that moment because I as soon as 318 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: I landed in New Zealand, I saw the freaking tower 319 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: and I said, I already jumped out of a plane. 320 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm not jumping off with the needle. Okay, I'm not 321 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: doing it. 322 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: Did you know that was a thing that people did. 323 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: No, But funny enough, like our driver just like started 324 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: talking about it. So in that moment I knew that 325 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: was a thing then, but I was like that that 326 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: won't be me. I'm not doing that. So when we 327 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: got up there we were having drinks, I was like, 328 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: oh God, there's just no way this is actually going 329 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: to happen. So I was already scared yet for the way. 330 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: Well, you've been on the show before, like as a contestant, 331 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: so you know how it works. You're probably sitting at 332 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: this table being like, there is a very good chance 333 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: someone tries to get me to jump off this building. 334 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: Like we're not here for no reason exactly. 335 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: You're never just there for the view or something. 336 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: No, you're like, oh, this date is not just a 337 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty dinner reservation. 338 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. So in the back of my kind 339 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: of more news and I was, yeah, I was upset, 340 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: but he wasn't hearing me out. I was like, you 341 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: can't just make a decision for me, like you have 342 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: to always ask me if I wanted to, and you 343 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: didn't even do that. So in that moment, I was very, 344 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: very upset. 345 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: Was there any was because was there any like flirtatious flirtatiousness? 346 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Is that a word? 347 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: Sure? 348 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: A word right now? Was there any like? Was it 349 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: more like was he trying to do it in a 350 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: more of a flirty way or a fun way. 351 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: Or what was his energy about the whole thing? 352 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, if I'm getting it, was more so 353 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: he was really he really is an adrenaline drunkie, so 354 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: he knew he wanted to do it. And I think 355 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: for him, as someone who doesn't really have a fear 356 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: of heights or a fear of anything, it's like, you're 357 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: gonna be fine at the end of the day, you know, 358 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: like it's just a fear, but you'll get over it 359 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: once you do it. So I think in the moment 360 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: he wasn't necessarily thinking of how scared somebody could be. 361 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: But obviously things turned around in the middle of the day. 362 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think maybe it was a 363 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 2: little bit flirty, but also a little bit like I 364 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: just know you're gonna be fine, so don't be scared. 365 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like the conversation, the communication wasn't aligned, 366 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: like he wasn't getting what your problem with it was, 367 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 3: and you weren't understanding how he could be so insensitive. 368 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think that was like the upsetting 369 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: part of it too, was like I was trying to 370 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: communicate how scared I was and it wasn't see. 371 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're probably thinking, I'm already scared, I already 372 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: don't want to do this, and now I'm at the 373 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: very least going to have to go walk out there 374 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: with someone that I'm not feeling very supported by in 375 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: this moment. 376 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely the kicker at that moment too. 377 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: It was like, if I'm gonna have to do it, 378 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: I would have loved to have done it with somebody 379 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: who was supportive in the beginning. 380 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, what was worse walking around the building or 381 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: just jumping. 382 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: Walking around was so much you could see through the 383 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: grates and they were like wide, wide gaps in between 384 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: the greats that you were walking. It was, and it 385 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: was windy and I didn't there were so many wires. 386 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: I was like, which one's actually hooked up to me? Like? 387 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: Which one do I hold on too? If I fall? 388 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 2: I was like, I hated every second of that and 389 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: we'll never do that. That is top like the most 390 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: scary thing I've ever done my life. 391 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I said the same. That reminded me of myself 392 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: because the first time I, the first and only time 393 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: I went skydiving, I did it. I was like, okay, 394 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: never doing that again, Like I don't I don't need 395 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: to do this shit ever again. 396 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: And we were saying the walking, I feel like it's 397 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: so much worse because you're like lingering in a place 398 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: that you're so scared, whereas at least jumping you're like, okay, 399 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 3: I know I'm going to be scared. But then the 400 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: minute I jump off, I just like I'd be like, 401 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 3: just get me to the ground as fast as possible, 402 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: Like get me off this platform and to the ground, 403 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: because being on the platform is the worst part we 404 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: have in Toronto. Like the sea In Tower has a skywalk, 405 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: which is very very similar. You can't jump off the 406 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: sea In Tower, but you can like hang off of 407 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: it the same way that Sam m was, except it's 408 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: not like your fully straight legged, like leaning backwards. I 409 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 3: have friends and cousins that have done it, and it 410 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: just looks like a horrible time. 411 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm done with any sky towers, any space 412 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: needs whatever. I'm done no more. Yeah, in my arch memesis, 413 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: so I can't do it. 414 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: So do you think the turning point in that date 415 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: was when you eventually got emotional about the situation. Do 416 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: you think it kind of took that for him to 417 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: really see how scared you were? 418 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think the turning point was when I 419 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: really broke down and just started sobbing. And I think 420 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: he realized, oh, she's not making this up. She's like 421 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: actually terrified and is prying. So yeah, I think the 422 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: tears definitely helped him come back to earth with it. 423 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: And then how is he moving forward or how is 424 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 3: the date moving forward? 425 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean after we jumped, you know, it was 426 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: I felt great. I forgot all about it. I said, 427 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 2: I'm never thinking about this again, and and yeah, it 428 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: was great from from then on. 429 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so the rugby date right now, well he needed 430 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: to talk about within the rugby day. Now you watched this? 431 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Did you have you watched this back? 432 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 433 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess sam N. Now let's let's go 434 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: to sam N. So, so you know, what were your 435 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: thoughts with how sam N was acting during the rugby game. 436 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 2: During the rugby game, I thought that he was aggressive, 437 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: but I thought that was. I think he used to 438 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: play football in high school, so I thought that was 439 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: just kind of like his like competitiveness just coming out. 440 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: But I didn't think that there was malicious intent to it, 441 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Like I wasn't hearing exactly everything that he was saying, 442 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 2: Like you know, in his after that he like was 443 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: like trying to be super crazy about it. I just 444 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: thought he was having he was just having fun and 445 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: just showing his competitive side. But I thought I was 446 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: like friendly to ship. 447 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying earlier, kind of his his energy 448 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: felt like he gave himself a pep talk and then 449 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: chugged to Celsius and ran on the field. Like it 450 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: just felt really elevated compared to what we've seen from 451 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 3: him the past few weeks. Did it feel different to you? 452 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: Did it feel like there was a shift in him 453 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: at all? 454 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: It felt like a shift, And honestly I was. I 455 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: was surprised, and I liked it because I think, like 456 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: having so many layers for a person and seeing different 457 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: sides of them is fun. So I liked seeing a 458 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: different side of him in that moment. 459 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: Who else stood out during the rib of the date? 460 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: Jonathan was a really good runner. He took a lot 461 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: of tackles. John m was the MVP of the game. 462 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, we haven't seen much of him, but 463 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: he was good during the game. 464 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 2: I know, he was amazing. I was. I was very, 465 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: very impressed, and I think his personality really came out 466 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: that day and I was excited about that. 467 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: We saw Marcus hurt himself in the game. How bad 468 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: was the injury or how bad did you think it 469 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: might have been at the time. 470 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was worse than he was letting on. 471 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: You know, the game, I kind of saw him take 472 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: a blow and I didn't really understand how bad it 473 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: was until we were kind of back in the locker 474 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: room and drinking the champagne whatever, and he was being 475 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: really really quiet, and I was like, oh, like he's 476 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: actually like really hurt, you know, but he's putting on 477 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: a break face, which is why I checked up on 478 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: him after at the cocktail party. 479 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: So as a lead, you make your first early cut chap, 480 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: you get rid of Sam and the. 481 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: God. 482 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just how it goes sometimes I should do 483 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: that as how the chop. 484 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: Job, you guys are done, No Rose get. 485 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Out before like going into that conversation, did you. Did 486 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: you know you were going to do that or were 487 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: you just like, this guy is ten steps of head 488 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: of where I am and I'm never going to get there. 489 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Did Did you come to that realization mid conversation? 490 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was kind of big conversation when 491 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: he It was like when he came back and asked 492 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: for a kiss. You know, I was like reevaluating where 493 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: I was at with him in comparison to a lot 494 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: of the other guys in the room, and with him, 495 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: I think I realized, like, I love talking to him, 496 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: and I loved kind of helping him along through whatever 497 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: he was going through that day, and so I loved 498 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: your little chats, but I don't think that I saw 499 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: it as anything more so when he asked for that kiss, 500 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: and I immediately kind of knew I didn't really want to. 501 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: I was like, I can't spring him along anymore, and 502 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: so I ultimately had to make that part decision and home. 503 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: Were you surprised by what you saw with his behavior 504 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: and conflict amongst the guys, like at the cocktail party 505 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: while you were talking to other people. 506 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, I have no idea what goes 507 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: on in the house, So it's It's crazy watching it 508 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: back to see how much conflict there is and how 509 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: much I didn't know about it, which in a way 510 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: is good. I'm glad no one wasted their time telling 511 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: me about whatever was going on. But yeah, kind of crazy. 512 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Going into your Devin date. Did you were you aware 513 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: a little bit that Devin and sam m really didn't 514 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: like each other? 515 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: I actually had no idea. 516 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 3: Wow, okay until I watched the show, No way. 517 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: And how was that date seemed to be from beginning, 518 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: middle and end seemed to be really a really great 519 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: date and it seemed like you guys really started connecting 520 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: at that point. 521 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the date set us up for success 522 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: in a way that you know, the date wasn't just 523 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: we were doing it tivy or anything like. We were 524 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: also connecting in a lot of family values and just 525 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: speaking about tradition and like where we come from and 526 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: what makes this us. So we think the day portion 527 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 2: was great for us to be able to connect on 528 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: that and get vulnerable so early on that it was 529 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: also easy to then later in the night get really 530 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: vulnerable other things that make this us and connect on 531 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: those as well. So I think the day overall was 532 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: was really really good for us. 533 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: I always think, like, for example, like Sam and watching 534 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: episode four, I always think it's going to bring those 535 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: people so much closure on the fact that you and him. 536 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: For us as viewers, it's so clear you're not a fit. 537 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: And for him to be able to see how far 538 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: along your relationship with because like we see him go 539 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: home and then your relationship with Devon right, and it's 540 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 3: just two different stages. Like Devin is so many light 541 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: years ahead in terms of you guys's connection and even 542 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: like Sam m and some of the other guys, for 543 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: sam And to be like, wow, like I hadn't even 544 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: kissed her yet, and this is kind of where her 545 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: other connections were. I always just think like, there's there's 546 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 3: closure in that, you know. 547 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. And that's why 548 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, I would never want to string anybody along 549 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: because then if they watched that back and they're like, oh, well, 550 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: why did she even keep me along? If like she 551 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: had all these other great connections. 552 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, what's the best part of dating multiple guys 553 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: and falling for multiple guys that are so different from 554 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: each other? 555 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: That's part. 556 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: And or worst part, I guess. 557 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 2: I will say when I date, and I'm very much 558 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: I have tunnel vision. I don't think about anybody else. 559 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: I don't think about the other possibilities. I stay on 560 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: one track and that's that. So for me to be 561 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: able to explore and to constantly be open to all 562 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: these different relationships, it really helped me kind of put 563 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: into perspective and put into and have my priority straight 564 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: on what I wanted out of a partner at the 565 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: end of it all, you know, so I was able 566 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: to really compare contrast each relationship and be like, this 567 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: is what I like, this is what I don't like. 568 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: Can this person provide me this or no? And it's like, 569 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: if this person is providing me this and this one isn't, 570 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: then the answer is easy, right, If you're dating in 571 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: the real life and someone's not providing you with something, 572 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: at least for me, I still have tunnel vision. I'm like, well, 573 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: I really like all these other qualities, so I'm going 574 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: to trying to make it work. 575 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 3: And it's easy to be like, but what if no 576 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: one gives me that? You know, what if I go 577 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 3: out looking and I never find that in anyone, and 578 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I should just stick with what good 579 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 3: things that I get here, because like, I don't want 580 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: to go out and you know, not find what I'm 581 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: looking for, but you're able to kind of see like 582 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: someone will give it all to you and it's just 583 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: a matter of finding the right person. 584 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: You got options. 585 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: Actually I like my options. I didn't know that I 586 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 2: would be an options world, but I. 587 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: Like, Okay, let we won't take up too much more 588 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: of your time. Last segment, we do need to touch 589 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: on Matthew Matthew. Matthew Matthew. So watching it back, I'm 590 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I think this was more of 591 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: a fling, and I felt like Jen doesn't really didn't 592 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: really know he felt this strongly about her. But that's 593 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: just my That's that's what I took from it, and 594 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: I could be one hundred percent wrong. So, yeah, you 595 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: want to just kind of break down the situation. 596 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, your history with this guy before we chat 597 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: about him showing up in New Zealand. 598 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, so we had dated when I lived in 599 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: Boston about three years ago. We met on him to 600 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: we dated for like wemonsish. 601 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: And exclusively, like he was your boyfriend, you were only 602 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: dating him? 603 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was me and him, and we were a boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, 604 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: and then things just like didn't really work out. He 605 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: was really young, I was really young, you know, like 606 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: a classic. So and then I think like a few 607 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: months had passed and then we kind of got back 608 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: together for a little bit, and then I decided this 609 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: was just like not it. And then I think a 610 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: few more months had passed after that second like reincarnation, 611 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: and I was so happy with that because he is 612 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: someone who's like such a good person, and I kind 613 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: of came to terms with the fact that like we're 614 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: at different like places in our lives. So we had 615 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: stayed in touch as friends for like a couple of 616 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: years like here and there, like nothing crazy, and then 617 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: after or Joey's season, we did talk on the phone 618 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: every now and then about like TikTok stuff and all 619 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: this stuff, and we really somebody could talk to you about, 620 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: you know, stuff on TikTok and whatever else is going 621 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: on my life. And I've known him for so long. 622 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: He knows my family, I know his family, so like 623 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: we have this history and I found comfort in that, 624 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: and so I was really really surprised when he came 625 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: and basically confessed his love yeah. 626 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So what were the reasons because you said you 627 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: kind of tried, you didn't work out. You tried, it 628 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: didn't work out. Was there like one big reason that 629 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: it wasn't working out or was it just like you 630 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: guys were arguing, you weren't connecting. 631 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: We did it three years ago, so we were just 632 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: so young and so like he never prioritized me, and 633 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: I was still learning so much about myself. I didn't 634 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: know how to communicate, I didn't know how to be 635 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: in a good relationship. Like I was just like I 636 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: was kind of a mess too. So you know, like 637 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: it just didn't work out. 638 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: Right, like at the time, because you guys were so young, 639 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: you didn't have the skills to kind of nourish a 640 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 3: healthy relationship together, and it kind of just fizzled out. 641 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: All right. So so it's three years into the future, 642 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: You're now the bachelorette dating multiple men, and Matthew shows 643 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: up in New Zealand and you see him. What is 644 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: going on? What is going through your head? 645 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: Funny enough, my very very initial reaction was shocked. I 646 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: was like, what the heck is he doing here? But 647 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: then I was also like, oh my god, like a 648 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: friendly face like, and I hugged him and then and 649 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: in my head I was kind of like, oh, is 650 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: he look cure to the advice or something? And then 651 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: and then it kind of clicked. I was like, no way, 652 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: he's here to give me advice. That would be really 653 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: weird too. So I kind of slowly was like, Okay, 654 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: I kind of get why you're here. But then I 655 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: was also like why are you here? So I was 656 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: very shocked. We were in New Zealand. It's like, if 657 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: we were in I don't know, Kansas, i'd be like, Okay, 658 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: this makes sense, But we were in New Zealand. 659 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. I would also be jarred. Do you 660 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: So he he mentions, you know, you guys are chatting 661 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: and he's like, I came right from like Columbia, I think, 662 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: he said. And then you're like, you ditched the weddings. 663 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't go to the weddings, were you? 664 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 3: I don't. I think I know the esswers. I just 665 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: want to clarify for people listening. Were you supposed to 666 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 3: go to those weddings with him? 667 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: So, you know, there was a free trip to Columbia 668 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: on the table at some point, and I had said, 669 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: Matthew is a really good friend of mine. He needs 670 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: a little date. He wants to give me a free 671 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: trip to Columbia. Why not so I was supposed to 672 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: go to these weddings? 673 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so totally. 674 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah plus one Okay, because he says he tells you 675 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: that he loves you, and you're like, well, you could 676 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: have told me this a long time ago. So then 677 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: when he drops that bomb and then you kind of 678 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: put together like, oh wow, this is why he's here. 679 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: What goes through your mind? 680 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you were like, you could have told me 681 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: this years ago. 682 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't know. I was at that 683 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: point kind of questioning his intentions. I was like, why 684 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: are you here? You did have a chance to tell me, 685 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: like at any other point in time before right now? 686 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: Why is it right now? So I think I was 687 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: really just trying to get into his mindset a little 688 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 2: bit more and kind of really understand why he took 689 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: this risk to fly all the way around the world 690 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. Yeah. I was just so shocked. 691 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: When you say question his intentions, does he strike was? 692 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: Is he the type of guy that you think would 693 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: just like want to be on the show. 694 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: I don't think so, but you know, at the end 695 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: of the day, like you can never really know what 696 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: people's true intentions are. Sometimes, like the reality of it 697 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: is like we are on a TV show that sometimes 698 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: people go on to for other reasons than love. So 699 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: I mean you gotta ask the questions. 700 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I mean that's what I would be thinking. 701 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I like if it was an ex that 702 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: I used to date and came back on the show 703 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: and it's like, all of a sudden, like hey, I'm 704 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: in love with you, and I was like, what the 705 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? What are you doing here? 706 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: And then I would be thinking a million different options. 707 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so crazy because like if you were just 708 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: on like a vacation in New Zealand with like some 709 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: friends and a guy that you were newly dating and 710 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 3: you were like maybe getting serious with, It's like, would 711 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: he be flying his asset to New Zealand to declare 712 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 3: his love? That's probably why you're like. 713 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: It feels yeah, but but but then again, it's not 714 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: like after the vacation she's going to be engaged. 715 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: I can totally sympathize with why, Like it's a the 716 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: pressure's on, right, He's thinking, oh my god, there's a 717 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 3: good chance in a month she's engaged and I'm never 718 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: gonna have the chance to say this. But it's just 719 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: so funny how this environment affects people outside of it 720 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: so drastically as well, Like Matthew has nothing to do 721 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: with this experience when you're on it, and then all 722 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 3: of a sudden he's in New Zealand professing his love. 723 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the weirdest part. Was like I'm kind 724 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 2: of in this new world now and it's my world, 725 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: and then like someone from my past comes into this 726 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 2: world and it's like a sense of familiarity almost, so 727 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: it's like a sense of comfort having somebody there that 728 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: kind of knew me. 729 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, I think we've seen that in 730 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: past shows, Like I would argue, like watching Blake Moyn's 731 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: Going Katie Thurston season, like there's comfort in that even 732 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 3: of like you've been here before, like you know this 733 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: world as well, and like having been on the show, 734 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 3: you are very isolated and you're you're dating all these guys, 735 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 3: but you're still getting to know them. So like seeing 736 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: a familiar face I can totally sympathize with even if 737 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 3: you left to go film the show on friendship terms 738 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: with this guy. There is that excitement about seeing him 739 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 3: of like, I know you and I feel comfortable with you. 740 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, all. 741 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: Right, Jem, before we let you leave, we're gonna play 742 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: a quick game. You ready wrap a fire? 743 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: Let's do it, all right? 744 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: Of your guy? Who's the funniest, Pete Davidson, Devin, who's 745 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: the shyest. 746 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: Johan? 747 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: Who made you the most nervous? 748 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: Uh Sam? 749 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: Who dressed the best? 750 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 2: Uh? Grant? 751 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: Who matched your intelligence level the best? I would not 752 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: answer that. 753 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: It's like no one, They're all stupid. 754 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with that nobody. 755 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: Because of your journey overall, what piece of advice ended 756 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: up being the most useful. 757 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 2: It was a piece of advice that one of my 758 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: best friends gave me in a letter that she wrote 759 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 2: me before I left the show, and I was reading 760 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 2: it every now and then, and it was Matthew, No, 761 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 2: it was she wrote something like, she she's she is married, 762 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: so she was giving me advice and she's liked, you 763 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: want to find someone who is going to think you're 764 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: the funniest girl in the room no matter what. And 765 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: to me, what that really meant was find someone who 766 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: intentionally is always going to make you feel celebrated no 767 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: matter what, Like even if I make the like the 768 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 2: dumbest show ever, give me a pity laugh, you know 769 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 2: what I mean? And so for me, it goes beyond 770 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: even a joke and it's more just partner who's thoughtful. 771 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's good advice. 772 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: What was your favorite group date now we've seen so far? 773 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, the rugby date was really fun. 774 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: You were funny on that date. You had me laughing 775 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 3: because Jesse is like such a professional, because that's what 776 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 3: he does for a living. Is like he's a sports 777 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 3: sports announcer. Is that the term sportscaster? 778 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: Sportscaster? 779 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and else he would he would like do his 780 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 3: whole like professional spiel at the end, at the end, 781 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 3: be like yay, I was in. 782 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 2: All just watching him do this thing. 783 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 3: And then I'd be like, yeah, oh my god, yeah 784 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 3: what he said. 785 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: What was your favorite one on one activity thus. 786 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 2: Far, Rety? The helicopter ride over the twelve Apostles was 787 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: absolutely like stunning. I've never seen anything like it before. 788 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: That was really incredible. 789 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: What episode were you most excited to watch back? 790 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 2: Episode four? 791 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: What moment thus far has been the most fun to 792 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: watch back. 793 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 2: The stripping jig. 794 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 3: That was a fun date. 795 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: And to end this off, and also I have one 796 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: more question after this that I want to ask and 797 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: to end this off, if you could describe your season 798 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: in one word, what would it be? 799 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: Adventurous? 800 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 3: You know what's so funny is every guy's come on 801 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 3: here and described it as like toxic, tumultuous, like chaotic, 802 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 3: like what it's all toxic? But like the inn it's 803 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: all been like really like intense, like ferocious. Yeah, like 804 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 3: this intense verbiage being used, but like you wouldn't know 805 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: because it's all the male drama that you're not seeing. 806 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 3: So when Joe askedid, I'm like, it's gonna be so 807 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 3: funny to hear your answer because it's gonna be so 808 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 3: different than like all. 809 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 2: The cast romantic and they're all like insane. 810 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: They're like detrimental. What do you think of the phrase? 811 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 3: Is this something that you came up with? The what 812 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 3: do they keep saying? 813 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: Thing? 814 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 3: But the main thing, the main thing. 815 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 2: I didn't know that was the thing until I watched 816 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 2: the show that Okay, the main thing is the main thing. 817 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: Once you once you finally you wrap the season, you're 818 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: done filming. How fast do you then go? Do you 819 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: go look at all these guys instagrams or or their 820 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: social media accounts are like, let me who was this guy? 821 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: Like? 822 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: Who did I cut? 823 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. Absolutely, I stalked every 824 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 2: single one of them. 825 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely before we let you go. Last question, how 826 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 3: would you tease the rest of your season? 827 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: I would say that there are a couple of turning 828 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 2: points for me as a as a person and as 829 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 2: someone who's dating somebody or people like I had a 830 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 2: turning point in terms of relationships and realizing what I 831 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: want and what I deserve. 832 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 3: Amazing. I'm excited, can't wait. 833 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: Jen, Thank you so much for taking the time. We 834 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: know how busy you are. We're really enjoying watching your season. 835 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: It's very toxic. Yeah, thank you for coming on a 836 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: happy Hour. 837 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I love chatting with you guys. 838 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 3: I'm excited to have you back when we can do 839 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: a full reflection on this season because we're only on 840 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 3: episode four and so much has happened, and I just 841 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 3: know there's so much more to come. But if you're 842 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 3: listening to Bachelor Happy Hour, thank you for listening, and 843 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 3: we will have more recaps and exclusive interviews coming out 844 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 3: every single week, so don't forget to subscribe.