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Speaker 4: and many more to come. You break ground on a

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Speaker 4: Ron Wolf Lee there and Wolf how about it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: It truly is incredible. It really is the fact that

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Speaker 4: All right, here's what matters in this edition of The

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Speaker 6: Today is a momentous day. It's a momentous day in

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Speaker 4: Nathaniel Hackett is famous father and more. It is the

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Speaker 9: You gotta love explosives. That's why the fans get in

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Speaker 4: Let's just say Nathaniel Hackett has coached a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my goodness. First of all, can I just

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Speaker 9: Through all the experiences that I've had up and down.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Not only that too, Paully, but also accountability is

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Speaker 4: And you can argue if Mike Lafloor is a rookie

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Speaker 7: He's very thought of, particularly within our profession. If you

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Speaker 4: Here and he was really definitive on that front. Really interesting.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, Lafleur also spoke Wolf ofm Loook,

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, you're right about that, PAULI. And once again,

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Speaker 4: You know what, it's a great observation from someone who's

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Speaker 4: And look, we can talk about the scheme and well,

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Speaker 4: as their next head coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, PAULI, I think you're probably right about that.

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Speaker 1: And you have to remember it's not just about the

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Speaker 1: play calling, right, I mean, it's it's is that important? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is it's important. There's no doubt. It's player execution,

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Speaker 1: you know the way I feel about that. That's way

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Speaker 1: more important player execution than the play call. But it's

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Speaker 1: the plan leading up to that as well. And this

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Speaker 1: is what I really love, the plan where Michael Lafleur

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Speaker 1: can actually meet with his coordinators like a Nick Rowlis.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Cardinals aren't going to play more man cover

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Speaker 1: than zone cover because you know the way that Mike

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Speaker 1: Lafleur in his coaching trade, they like to run schemes

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Speaker 1: that fits their personnel. There's no dogmatic approach to the

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Speaker 1: schemes that they're going to run like some coaching staffs have.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna run this scheme even if we don't have

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Speaker 1: the players to do it. This is how you win

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Speaker 1: football games. Well, you know what, I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: tailor their schemes towards the players that they have. So

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Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna play more man cover and you want

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Speaker 1: to get that across to Nick Rowlis. Maybe you're gonna

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Speaker 1: play more zone. You want to get that across and

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Speaker 1: help him come up with schemes that you can win with.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have the weapons. Trey McBride Michael Wilson,

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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior. Can you rebuild an offensive line that

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Speaker 4: played thirteen different guys last year due to injury? He

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Speaker 4: learn more about Cardinals ticket options go to Azycardinals dot

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Speaker 4: com slash tickets. Let's talk defense next, and the Big

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Speaker 4: Red Rage presented by Emergency Air.

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Speaker 1: Nick rawlis doing a great job disguising what he's going

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 3: Nick rawlis is Dale and the Cardinals defensive coordinator having

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Speaker 3: a great start.

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Speaker 7: You felt like you knew him well, and I always like,

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Speaker 7: like I stayed in that opening press conference like him.

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Speaker 7: There's some great battles, you know, and be able to

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Speaker 7: get to know him through this process. We had very

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Speaker 7: honest and open dialogue and I like what I heard.

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Speaker 7: This guy's he's a stud and his best days are

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Speaker 7: totally in front of him, and I know it's just

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Speaker 7: a great fit for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One of the mind blowing stats to come out of

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Speaker 4: this week is when you realize Nick Rawless is still

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Speaker 4: thirty two years of age. He's going into his fourth

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Speaker 4: year as a defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He's

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Speaker 4: still only thirty two, so there's plenty of upside. Mike

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Speaker 4: Lafleur there on the Big Red Rage presented by Emergency

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Speaker 4: Air Paul calvic Ron Wolfley, talking about the coordinators made official.

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Speaker 4: We talked a lot about Nathaniel Hackett now defensive coordinator

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Speaker 4: Nick Rawss, who we both know very well, and there

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Speaker 4: are knowns and unknowns in this whole process. Well, guess

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Speaker 4: who else knows Nick rawlsis really well, Mike Lafleur, who's

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Speaker 4: gone against him six times in the last three years. Rams.

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Speaker 4: I mean you had to feel like, okay, as Lafleur

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Speaker 4: talked about there, wolfem he has a pretty good familiarity

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Speaker 4: with Rawls before they even sat down and spoken at

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Speaker 4: in depth conversations for hours over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. I mean, that had to

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Speaker 1: be fascinating. Tell me you wouldn't want to be sitting

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Speaker 1: in that room when those two guys were talking about

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Speaker 1: all the battles that they've had in the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Mike Lafleur, I think is really

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Speaker 1: going to help Nick Rawlis. As I have said, I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to help him develop as a young coordinator.

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Speaker 1: How old is Nick Rowlis? Poly once again, thirty two,

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Speaker 1: thirty two years old, Lafleur can sit on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the field, literally sit on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the field and give his opinions on what schemes

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Speaker 1: Rallis is going to run, on what personnel groups he's

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Speaker 1: going to use, on what kind of strategies he may

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Speaker 1: want to employ at different points in a game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Michael laflor is going to be able to give Rallis

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Speaker 1: a different perspective as to the thought process that he uses,

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Speaker 1: and of course and to help him grow as a coach.

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Speaker 4: So this year, those two games are lopsided Rams dominated,

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Speaker 4: no doubt about it. In twenty twenty four, guess what

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals were a helmet deflection away from sweeping the

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Speaker 4: Rams Trey McBride at the goal line. Something of Michael

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Speaker 4: laflour reference, because that Rams offense struggled in that Week

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Speaker 4: seventeen game twenty twenty four, just like the entire Rams

511
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Speaker 4: team struggled big time and that Week two, twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: four beat down by the Cardinals. So Lafloor he gained

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Speaker 4: some serious respect and respect for Nick Rawlis based on

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Speaker 4: those games in twenty twenty four, in particular, and here

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Speaker 4: he was when asked about the value of Nick Rawss

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Speaker 4: having called plays before.

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Speaker 7: It's different when it's your first time and you're pushing

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Speaker 7: that button. Sometimes in that first preseason game, you don't

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Speaker 7: even know how to push the button and talk to

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Speaker 7: you know, the mica, the green dot and the quarterback.

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Speaker 7: So that's that's a huge deal. You know, It's not

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Speaker 7: the end all be all. There's a lot of first

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Speaker 7: time play callers that are awesome, you know, so, but

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Speaker 7: to have that experience, just like in any other thing,

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Speaker 7: whether the play caller, whether they're a coach in a position,

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Speaker 7: experiences like in all walks of life, is huge.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, if this is just me, you talked

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Speaker 4: about sitting down, how fascinating those conversations were. Well, now

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Speaker 4: going forward, now that you know Laflora's head coach, rawlis

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Speaker 4: is a DC. Okay, how do you go in and

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Speaker 4: attack your rivals in the West. Who knows Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 4: and Sean McVay better than Michael Laflora. And now Rawless

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Speaker 4: has three years, six games a piece against each of

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Speaker 4: those guys. I'm guessing those are going to be some

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Speaker 4: highly advanced and productive meetings. And all right, how do

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Speaker 4: we scheme against our division rivals? And because a lot

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Speaker 4: of times the off season is spent what figuring out

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Speaker 4: how do you win your own division?

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Speaker 1: First, Paulie, I don't think there is any doubt about

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Speaker 1: it that Mike Laflora as the offensive coordinator for the

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Speaker 1: MS going against Nick rawlis the defensive coordinator under JG.

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Speaker 1: Of course for the Arizona Cardinals and the games that

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Speaker 1: they have run, There's no doubt about it. You become

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Speaker 1: very familiar. Dare I say you may even respect your

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Speaker 1: opponent based on some of the things that he's calling,

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Speaker 1: some of the schemes that he's using. But I think

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Speaker 1: this is more about the skulls going forward. I really

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Speaker 1: do believe that where Michael Lafloor is going to have

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Speaker 1: Nick rawlis to actually talk specifically about certain skulls, certain players,

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Speaker 1: of course on the defensive side of the ball. That

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Speaker 1: will help him get a much better idea as to

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Speaker 1: what kind of defense they're going to run. And I think,

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Speaker 1: once again, unless I miss my mark on this, Polly,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think Michae Lafleur is

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Speaker 1: really going to influence Nick rawlis a lot on the

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Speaker 1: schemes and the skulls that he's going to use.

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Speaker 4: I totally agree, not to mention the Packers have played

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Speaker 4: the car each of the last two years. So you

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Speaker 4: can even bring your big brother Matt Lafleur into the equation.

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Speaker 4: All right, how did you assess the Cardinals defense the

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Speaker 4: last couple of years under Nick Rowlis and Jonathan Gan?

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Speaker 4: In fact, Rawless was asked, all right, So based on

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Speaker 4: a lot of this, do you anticipate making some scheme changes?

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Speaker 10: I always believe in the tear it down and build

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Speaker 10: it back up. And it's kind of multiple layers to

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Speaker 10: that in terms of the games changing, right, and offenses

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Speaker 10: are changing. So what is twenty twenty six gonna look like?

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Speaker 10: What do we have to be prepared to stop with

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Speaker 10: what the best offenses in twenty twenty five were doing

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Speaker 10: and kind of where it's moving, But then also what

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Speaker 10: wasn't good for us? And so there's layers of that.

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Speaker 10: There's gonna be changes, but then there's gonna be things

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Speaker 10: that you know we're gonna want to keep because we

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Speaker 10: believe in it.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: So speaking to that topic right there, when things got

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Speaker 4: sideways the end of last season, last couple months in particular,

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Speaker 4: minus you're starting middle linebacker quarterback of the defense Mac

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Speaker 4: Wilson Senior. That that's a whole nother discussion, but just

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Speaker 4: in terms of if you want an inflection point, a

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Speaker 4: pivot point in last season, you know it's somewhat ironical

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Speaker 4: if you will. It was Week fourteen where the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: lost to the Rams and Mike Lafleur, who was calling

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Speaker 4: the plays most of that game. According to Marco Farr,

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Speaker 4: the Rams sideline analyst, told us a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: and what did Rawis and JG say to start the

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Speaker 4: very next week? We didn't like the plan? Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: right there you got to figure o all right. You know,

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Speaker 4: they started thinking and scheming on the fly. You could

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Speaker 4: see it like their mind was grinding. Where do we go?

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Speaker 4: What sort of changes do we make going into twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but Paul, once again, just going back specifically to

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals Rams matchup. When you think of that matchup

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Speaker 1: once again, especially that first game, that was a situation

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Speaker 1: where the Cardinals were just they were absorbing an awful

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Speaker 1: lot of man games missed. Ye, they were absorbing an

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Speaker 1: awful lot of injuries, of course, and defensively that really

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Speaker 1: impacted what Nick Rawlis was doing. I just I honestly

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Speaker 1: believe this, Paul, the Chung and the Chi. You've heard

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Speaker 1: me talk about this all the time. The Chung is

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Speaker 1: the bass, it's the norm, it's what you're going to do.

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Speaker 1: The Chi is the extraordinary. I think that Nick Rawlss

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Speaker 1: literally looked at himself and said, we are inferior right

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Speaker 1: now because of the players that are out there, the

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Speaker 1: players that haven't had a lot of experience within this scheme.

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Speaker 1: We're playing a lot of guys out there, We're missing

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Speaker 1: a lot of man games. And because of that, we

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Speaker 1: can't go with the bass. We've got to do something

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Speaker 1: that is extraordinary. I honestly believe this is why they

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Speaker 1: ran Nickel against twelve and thirteen personnel and it backfired.

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Speaker 1: It blew up in their face. That and the fact

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Speaker 1: that they admitted after the game they did not like

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Speaker 1: the plan, I think had an awful lot to do

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Speaker 1: with that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as you've cited, the Rams immediately went into multiple

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Speaker 4: tight ends twelve and thirteen personnel, more than forty in

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Speaker 4: those heavy, incredible personnel packages, and so look and beyond that,

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Speaker 4: who knows the defense of personnel better than Nick rawlis.

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Speaker 4: And right now the charges we talked about earlier player development,

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Speaker 4: it's Max Melton, it's Will Johnson, it's Walter Nolan, the third,

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Speaker 4: it's Darius Robinson, it's bg O JILARI. Guys in the first, second,

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Speaker 4: third year. Who yeah, and so all these guys highly drafted.

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Speaker 4: You need return on investment. And here was Nick Rowss

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Speaker 4: when asked about that need to develop players at a

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Speaker 4: higher level.

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Speaker 10: How do we improve teaching in the classroom? You know,

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Speaker 10: I call it like cognitive recall because on the grass

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Speaker 10: it ultimately comes down to decisions and actions. How fast

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Speaker 10: can they make a decision and can they carry out

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Speaker 10: the action necessary to execute the scheme? Is there any

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Speaker 10: other ways that we can teach this thing, or should

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Speaker 10: we be changing how we're teaching it? You know, what

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Speaker 10: we're teaching so that it ups execution and performance. Deep

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Speaker 10: dive in that, because that's our job as coaches is

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Speaker 10: to develop.

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Speaker 4: You make it to the NFL, and Wolf, you played

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Speaker 4: a decade and you think, all right, I'm a professional.

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Speaker 4: But in general, how much room for improvement is there

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Speaker 4: once you reach the NFL, especially early in your NFL career.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just it's incredible, Paully. Seriously, year one to

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Speaker 1: year two, that to me huge change. Year one is

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Speaker 1: about a foundation, Paul. The foundation is this, I belong

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Speaker 1: on this football field, I belong out here. I can

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Speaker 1: play with these guys. That is what your rookie year

646
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Speaker 1: is about. For you to say that in your heart,

647
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Speaker 1: say I can do this. And then year two that's

648
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Speaker 1: where you start building on that foundation, that cement pad

649
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Speaker 1: that is starting to form, you build on top of that.

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Speaker 1: I think the first three years that a guy is

651
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Speaker 1: in a league, he really is in a state of development.

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Speaker 1: How much better can you get from year one to

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Speaker 1: year two? And how much better from year two to

654
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Speaker 1: year three can you get? This is the reason why

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe for Marvin Harrison Junior, year three coming up,

656
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Speaker 1: this is huge And.

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Speaker 4: If you need evidence that it's possible, that it's feasible,

658
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Speaker 4: that it's plausible, the year three from Marvin Harrison Junior

659
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Speaker 4: can be the key. Look at Michael Wilson at a

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Speaker 4: jump that Michael Wilson made this year. In fact, it

661
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Speaker 4: didn't even happen until mid season. He had like three

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Speaker 4: catches to the first three games, he had fifty yards

663
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Speaker 4: receiving in the first five games, something ridiculous like that,

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Speaker 4: and then became a thousand yard receiver. And well, if

665
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Speaker 4: it wasn't a fluke, it wasn't just targets, It wasn't

666
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Speaker 4: just more opportunity. It was what every single player in

667
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Speaker 4: that locker room says on and off the record, there

668
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Speaker 4: is no harder worker the last three years than Michael Wilson.

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Speaker 4: That he's identified things each of the past two offseasons.

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Speaker 4: I have to get better at this and this, and

671
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Speaker 4: he did it. He invested the time in the work

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Speaker 4: ethic and it paid off.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Pully as well, Where might Michael

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Speaker 1: Wilson go from here? Seriously? Where might he go from here?

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Speaker 1: Now that he has the kind of confidence I mean,

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Speaker 1: he got confirmation that he can be a very good

677
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Speaker 1: football a great football player at this level. He got

678
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Speaker 1: confirmation of that in twenty twenty five. What could that

679
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Speaker 1: possibly yield in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Who's the best receiver in the NFL right now? Pound

681
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 4: for pound? I would argue Pouka Nakua, Yes, and who

682
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: has almost the exact same body type and who's almost

683
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Speaker 4: as physical and makes the contest to catch and honestly,

684
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: coming out of college was compared to Puka Nikoua. Michael Wilson. Hey,

685
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Speaker 4: it's this weekend, February twenty first State Farm Stadium Cardinals Climb,

686
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: the fundraising event Extraordina Wall's going to be out there.

687
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Speaker 4: I'll be out there. Jim Omhandro will be out there

688
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Speaker 4: all right. All benefits the Arizona special needs community. At

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Speaker 4: Cardinals Climb dot com, we talk special teams next on

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Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 3: He would love watching special teams, don't you.

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Speaker 1: It is the essence of the game. It's it's the

693
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Speaker 1: ability to move your frame with velocity in that to

694
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Speaker 1: knock somebody on their tush. Typically four big fat Harry

695
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Speaker 1: guys and you say eenie, meenie, miney mo. And then

696
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: you you look at meenie and you hit mine, or

697
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: you look at mine and you hit mo. You know,

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00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: special teams. David is kind of the hamburger helper of

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Speaker 1: a football team. You know, you got the hamburger and

700
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: those guys don't typically play on special teams. But then

701
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Speaker 1: you got the noodles in the powered sauce. That's great.

702
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's nothing Dave Pash likes more than your food

703
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: analogies to football, really well, nobody does it at the

704
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Speaker 4: level in the booth like Ron Wolfley. Oh my god,

705
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Speaker 4: that's outstanding. Okay, it's the big red rage presented by emergency.

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Speaker 4: Here we've talked about the offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, defensive

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Speaker 4: coordinator Nick Rawles, all through the l of the new

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Speaker 4: head coach Michael Lafleur. Now well specialty here, as a

709
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Speaker 4: four time special teams pro bowler, let's talk us some teams,

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Speaker 4: and right off the top, I don't think I'm out

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Speaker 4: of line in surmising that no one has a greater

712
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Speaker 4: appreciation for special teams than Mike Lafleur. Right now, you

713
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Speaker 4: know why the Rams might have a Super Bowl ring

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Speaker 4: if there are special teams. This past season weren't so

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Speaker 4: abysmal and so costly because they had two games against

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Speaker 4: the Seahawks end of the year that cost them the

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Speaker 4: number one overall seed in the NFC because they gave

718
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Speaker 4: up the punt return to Ashet she Heed, and then

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Speaker 4: the special teams are a disaster again in the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 4: Don't tell Sean mcvah and the Rams and Michael Laflour

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Speaker 4: that special teams don't matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is absolutely huge, Paul, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. You know me, especially in a tight game,

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Speaker 1: special teams will decide the outcome more times than not

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Speaker 1: in a tight game.

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Speaker 4: Well, your new special teams coordinator Michael gob And, he

727
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Speaker 4: was asked he's been doing this for a while, even

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Speaker 4: though he's aged thirty seven. He was a coacher like

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Speaker 4: age twenty and he's worked his way up in the

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Speaker 4: last five years. He's been in New York with the

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Speaker 4: Giants and the Jets. Here's a question, coach, why do

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Speaker 4: you like coaching special teams?

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Speaker 8: You know, I've always felt that special teams is the

734
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Speaker 8: purest form of football. Whatever unit you're coaching, you're doing

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Speaker 8: things that you do on offense and defense. And that's

736
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Speaker 8: block destruction, it's blockability, it's speed of the ball, it's tackling,

737
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Speaker 8: it's ball security. All those things show up on offense,

738
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Speaker 8: all those things show up defensively. You're you're giving a

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Speaker 8: player of vision but then also showing belief in their

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Speaker 8: skill set, which is why they're in the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: You know, they call him Goby, that's his nickname.

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Speaker 1: Is that it.

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Speaker 4: I think Wolfley and Goby are going to get along.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys are going to get along because

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Speaker 4: I've heard you say a lot of that same philosophy before.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it, Paul, Special teams. Even the

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Speaker 1: way they've destroyed the kickoff, and that's exactly the way

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Speaker 1: I'm going to characterize it. I'm still happy they're doing

749
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Speaker 1: the kickoff, period, But even though the way they've destroyed it,

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Speaker 1: speed times mass equals impact, and in the purest form

751
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Speaker 1: of the game of football, impact is all about football,

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Speaker 1: it really is. And the kickoff cover. You know what's

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Speaker 1: amazing about this, Polly. The kickoff cover used to be

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Speaker 1: about two things. Courage and violence. Okay, I mean honestly,

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Speaker 1: courage to actually do the kind of violence. And I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about violence in between the white lines, not in

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Speaker 1: real life. POLLI you know that I'm talking about the

758
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Speaker 1: kind of football violence that happens in between the white lines.

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Speaker 1: It's still about violence on the kickoff cover in today's NFL.

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Speaker 1: Why do I say that?

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Speaker 4: Because it used to be a fifty yard head of

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Speaker 4: steam and now it's a five yard head of steam.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, PAULI so the courage part of it,

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Speaker 1: where you had this sprint fifty yards and run into somebody,

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Speaker 1: that really is kind of taken out. But the violent

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Speaker 1: part of it is still there. Why because on kickoff cover,

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Speaker 1: when you've got a guy standing five yards away from you,

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Speaker 1: the violent man, the more violent man, it still wins, Paul,

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Speaker 1: it still wins the dude that is trying to block

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Speaker 1: you from five yards away. You can still use that violence.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Polly, I'm not talking about just

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Speaker 1: trying to run through the guy trying to use that

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna run right through you. No,

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Speaker 1: it's also the promise of violence that is not delivered

775
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Speaker 1: that allows you to beat the guy as well. He

776
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: might be hunkering down, thinking this guy he tries to

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Speaker 1: run through everybody tries to run right over him, and

778
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Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna hunker down and boom, you go right

779
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: around him because of the promise of violence. Yet you

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Speaker 1: did not pay that violence off. It's a great mind

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00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: game that happens in today's NFL. It's almost like punk

782
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Speaker 1: pro where a guy will line up across from you

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Speaker 1: if you're the right guard on punt team or you're

784
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: the right tackle on punt team, and then the opponent

785
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Speaker 1: on punt return will line up right over you. So

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Speaker 1: much of the time it's man on man. And what

787
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Speaker 1: happens a special teams coordinator. We'll get out the red

788
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Speaker 1: pen and it'll stick the light on you, the red light.

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Speaker 1: The beam goes on you at right guard, and he says,

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Speaker 1: better man wins. That's all he says, because he knows

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Speaker 1: it's one on one. Well, so much of the time,

792
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Speaker 1: even on kickoff cover today, in the way that they

793
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Speaker 1: deliver the kickoff and execute the kickoff today, it's one

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Speaker 1: on one. So much of the time, better man wins.

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Speaker 4: So when Michael Gobriel says, look, everything that you do

796
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: on offense and defense shows up on special teams or

797
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: vice versa, Okay, that's up to him now to go ahead,

798
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Speaker 4: specially with younger guys who have made the team and

799
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Speaker 4: they aspire to have a big role on either side

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Speaker 4: of the ball. Well, it starts a lot of times

801
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: with special teams. And that gets down to the essence

802
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: of his coaching. In fact, he gave three reasons why

803
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: he coaches. You talk about why I coach.

804
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Speaker 8: One is skill development, The second is the ability to

805
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Speaker 8: motivate because you're dealing with a bunch of varied backgrounds

806
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 8: and you're getting a lot of people to believe in

807
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 8: a common belief. I think that's big and that's something

808
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 8: you approach every day. And the third thing is I

809
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 8: think coaching is synonymous with teaching, and you know, my

810
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 8: dad was a teacher, and that's something that you know,

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Speaker 8: I truly value is educational growth, especially in this game.

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Speaker 8: Finding different ways for reach players to relay information. I

813
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 8: think those three things are really allow me to coach

814
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Speaker 8: special teams.

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Speaker 4: And there you go, we come full circle again player development.

816
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: So if they're getting really good coaching, especially young guys,

817
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: right first timers in the NFL, they're getting really good

818
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 4: coaching on special teams, how much could that potentially help

819
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Speaker 4: them when they assume their position in offense or defense?

820
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Speaker 4: Is that something that could be significantly beneficial?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, what happens, Polly, if you listen

822
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Speaker 1: to your special teams coach and you get better as

823
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Speaker 1: a special teams player, your likelihood of making the team

824
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Speaker 1: increases dramatically. So that's where it starts. And not only that,

825
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: Once you develop as a special teams player and your

826
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Speaker 1: odds of making the roster increase dramatically. Now, all of

827
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Speaker 1: a sudden, a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator, whatever

828
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Speaker 1: position you play on the football team, even though you're

829
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Speaker 1: playing special teams, whenever you're playing, suddenly you become much

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Speaker 1: more palatable to that defensive coordinator or that offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: because they can look at you as a football player

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Speaker 1: and see you getting better as a football player. So

833
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: special teams once again, it's a place where a guy

834
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Speaker 1: like me is going to get the opportunity to develop

835
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Speaker 1: when maybe I wouldn't get that opportunity if it was

836
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Speaker 1: just offense or defense that I was playing.

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Speaker 4: And think about it when injuries hit, and they always hit, Yes,

838
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Speaker 4: if you're ready, like, oh, I don't know. Mac Wilson

839
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Speaker 4: Senior his final year in New England, the last seven games.

840
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: He'd been four years as a special team's assassin. Then

841
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: he got a shot on the edge. He got a

842
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: shot at inside linebacker. Dude balled out, got himself a

843
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: contract with the Cardinals. Our own Lorenzo Alexander was a

844
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: special teams Pro Bowl ended up playing fifteen years and

845
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Speaker 4: making a Pro Bowl as an edge guy. So yes,

846
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: that's where a lot of it starts. Very interesting. And

847
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: the fact that Michael Gobriel and Micha Laflor coached together

848
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Speaker 4: with the Jets once upon a time, So this familiarity,

849
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 4: you know, some of the other names. You go up

850
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: and down some of the reported new position coaches. What

851
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: about Matt Schaubwall new QB coach right worked with A

852
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: four in Atlanta twenty sixteen. And then how about the

853
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: new d line coach reportedly Pete Kwikowski, who was Buddabaker's

854
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. You dub once upon a time.

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Speaker 1: Who's gotta love that, no doubt, man, I'm really excited, Paulie.

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Speaker 4: Very interesting stuff once again. Cardinals with their groundbreaking today

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