1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing, 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: don't tell me not to live, just sitting put up. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: There really are no words to describe the talent, the career, 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: the woman that is Barbara streisand don't tell me. Streisand 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: burst on the scene in nineteen sixty four with Funny 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Girl on Broadway, right when it felt like the Suburbs 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: and McCarthy is m might go on forever, the Beatles 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: show up on the Ed Sullivan Show, and on Broadway 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: along comes this phenomenon, this totally new, unusually gorgeous, nakedly 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: ambitious Jewish girl from Brooklyn in close, so wildly bright, 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: they blow out your new color TV weather on the 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Rose of Ship Affection. She kept her name, she kept 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: her nose, she kept that access it. She could not 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: be more different from what wasp culture told women they 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: should be. New York is just full of unusual and 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: interesting girls who are starting out in show business, but 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: few of them have the style as early as this 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: young lady. She's nineteen years old, her name is Barbara 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: streisand and then she gets on stage. She's grounded, she's powerful, 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: and she's got the greatest voice America has ever heard 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: water than a mile. Over the following years, we also 22 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: learn she's a great actress. Here she is trying to 23 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: win Redford's love in the way we were sure. I 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: make waves. I mean, you have to, and I'll keep 25 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: making them until your every wonderful thing you should be 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: and will be. You'll never find anyone as good for 27 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: you as I am. To believe in you as much 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: as I do, I love you as much. Well not 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: why striisand develops a reputation for being difficult and for 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: being a bit of a recluse. She gets married, divorced, 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: has a kid, but all the while she just keeps 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: getting better and more famous until she's this unique character 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: in American culture, a megastar on her own terms. Since 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: we first met in we become friends. We talked at 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: her home in southern California. By the way, Stella, do 36 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: me a favor. Take the clock and make sure it works, 37 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: like because it needs batteries or wounder. Okay, thank you 38 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: so much. You walk around the house and you have 39 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: you just that just goes. How is this not taken 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: care of? You? See? To work for somebody like you 41 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: or me? You have to understand the artist's temperament. People 42 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: don't see that the time is wrong. Well, I wasn't 43 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: going to start with this, but I'll ask you. But 44 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I'll ask you because that instinctive I for detail and 45 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: just thinking all the time about I want this, I 46 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: want this, I want this. Is that what naturally propelled 47 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: you into directing films? Well? That, yes, that And also 48 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: it was something that happened during the way we were 49 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: where two scenes were cut out that were intrinsic to 50 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: the value of the story. And it made me so 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: crazy that they couldn't see that that propelled you into 52 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: direct and me into it. I couldn't understand it. And 53 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to carrel with a you know, a hit movie. 54 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a hit at the time. 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: Tell you the truth, it's grown to say it was. 56 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: Warren Beatty said to me once, is it. Until you 57 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: take ultimate responsibility and you're willing to direct the movie, 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna be constantly frustrated. And he said you must 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Can said that it was so delicious and it's like, 60 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, when you finally have the power to control 61 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: your work, you you get very humble in a sense 62 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: it's like I wanted to give power away to other 63 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: people as well. You know, I would say to my standing, 64 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: you run that course with the cameraman, this is the shot, 65 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: but I want you to be able to tell me 66 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: where to stand. In other words, it's a feeling of 67 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: such gratitude where you you never have to raise your 68 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: voice because everybody's finally listening. You don't have to get 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: angry about anything they weren't listening before. Sometimes well, sometimes 70 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: when I would say things as just an actress, like 71 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: this is what I'm telling you, this story the way 72 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: we were it went on deaf ears. You know, they 73 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't agree with me whatever, But when you see something 74 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: so clearly, um, that's wrong to me or what could 75 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: be right? Or see. I had such a great time 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: directing Ental because I did it in England and in Czechoslovakia. 77 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: In England they're not afraid of women, powerful women, strong 78 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: women because they had a queen. They have a queen 79 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: and at the time they had the Prime Minister who 80 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: was Margaret Thatcher. So I was shocked at the respect 81 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: that I had as a first time director. I couldn't 82 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: believe it. Um and the crew was so kind and 83 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: just It was the most wonderful experience, I must say, 84 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: And even the the Czechoslovakian government was wonderful to me 85 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: because I needed Jews to be in the synagogue and 86 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: pray and so for then, you know, was during communist times, 87 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: and they went to the Jewish community, thank God, and 88 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: had them come so I didn't have to teach them 89 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: how to be Jewish. You know, how did some real Jews? 90 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Was an Italians dressed as Jews in New York where 91 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: they have to say, well, how do you stand in 92 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: a synagogue and how do you pray? And it was 93 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: it was wonderful. And also well you know when you 94 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: have extras in Czechoslovakia, then they didn't give them lunch, 95 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: so the people would come with like bags of their lunch, 96 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: which broke my heart. So I would, you know, give 97 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: them our food, which we never had vegetables. We had 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: to send to London or France or Italy to get 99 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: vegetables because you know, their food diet was like hot chalk. 100 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: I loved it, of course, bread and butter and hot 101 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: chocolate in the morning with whipped creams and kids. What 102 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: was that? Heaven? And I wanted to be thinner, but well, 103 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: and every day I would not every day, but every 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: few days I would bring in past these, you know, 105 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: with that delicious dough in the meat inside, and we'd 106 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: always have the most delicious teas that I'd bring in 107 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: those cream like doughnuts shaped like a hot dog from 108 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: Whimpy's and you know, eat this delicious cream with the donuts. 109 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was so good time. And they 110 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: it was very sweet because the whole crew wrote a letter. 111 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: That's one of my prize possessions, I must say, And 112 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: they wrote this letter to the newspapers and it said 113 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: that you know, Ms try said something like Ms try 114 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: sand never raises her voice and has a smile for 115 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: us every day, and it's like not the stories we've 116 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: heard about her, and no newspaper would publish it, but 117 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: it figures it's like Hillary Clinton, as you said, the 118 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: upside of that experience where the entele was working in 119 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: a culture where the power of women was just accepted. 120 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: And I'm best fall and to say the least about 121 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: what happened here, not just because this guy won, but 122 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: I really do think misogyny and well, in four I 123 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: did get some sort of award from Women in Film 124 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: directing Yental and a lot of my speech was about 125 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: women against women, because the reviews of Gente from women 126 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: were vicious, you know. In other words, they didn't even 127 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: talk about this celebration of womanhood, that a woman could 128 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: not only you know, make dinner and have babies, but 129 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: she could have an intellect, she could want to study, 130 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: be something more, do what men do, do what men do? 131 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: Just equality, you know. So to read a review that 132 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: said her she wore a design in the New York Times, 133 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: she wore a designer amica. Now everything, every piece of 134 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: clothing in that movie was authentic. That same year there 135 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: was the film directed by Ingmar Bergmann Fanny and Alexander. 136 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: They wore the same yamica, but nobody attacked that film. 137 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: I love detail, so I would, you know, For years, 138 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: I would do research about Polish Jews, about these Jews, 139 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: that Jews everything, the Evil Institute in New York um 140 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: talking to scholars studying Talmud, just to bring that, because 141 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: I do believe that when you study like that and 142 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: do the research, you don't have to act that It's 143 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: like the camera picks up the truth, even just behind 144 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: your eyes, in the sound of your voice, whatever it 145 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: is mine. You know. I had this wonderful shot, I 146 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: thought as it cuts from a chicken coop to me 147 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: sitting behind the bars up separated from the men in 148 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: the shool, and that shot was attacked by this woman critic, 149 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Janet Maslin. Her name was now she could attack my 150 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: lip syncer. That's true. I'm a terrible lip sinker. I 151 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: can't do it because when I did movies like Funny 152 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Girl or Hello Dolly, you know, they record the soundtrack 153 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: three months before you shoot, and I have to be 154 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: in the moment as an actor, I don't know how 155 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to feel when I actually perform it. So 156 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: that's why when I did the movie Star Is Born, 157 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: it's all real, it's all um. I had alic I 158 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: did not want. I needed to be free, to be 159 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: in the moment, So we recorded on the spot. What 160 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: do you call that live? It was all live. And 161 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: then what I would do is um, because I had 162 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: final cut on that movie, I could control those things. UM. 163 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: We would shoot the close ups first, so where the 164 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: performance really counted, and then I would just choose it 165 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: right on the spot, okay, I think, and I would 166 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: do about one to four takes. You know all these 167 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: stories about me, like I do millions of takes, most 168 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: of them are false. And so let's say I would 169 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: take take three, you know, and then move the cameras 170 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: back to do the wider shot that because you didn't 171 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: have to see me close, you know, not doing the 172 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: lip sync. Good. I did a documentary film about Can. 173 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: It's ostensibly about Can and Ryan Gosling. We corner him 174 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: at at an hotel I think I saw it, this 175 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: thing called Seduced and abandoned, and we get Gosling at 176 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: the Beverly Hills Hotel or the bel Air Hotel. I 177 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: should say, any long story short is he has this 178 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: beautiful explication of how agonizing it is to shoot films, 179 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: and just in that kind of Arthur Murray by numbers way, 180 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: we have to shoot a match to this and match 181 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: to this. It can't be fresh and it's painful. No, 182 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: And that's why I love long takes, because I think 183 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm from the theater and where you had to do 184 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: a whole show, right, So I don't like pieces. I mean, 185 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: the fun of directing to me is designing the shot, 186 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: the camera, accommodating the actors. So the actors there's a 187 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: lot of scenes in entle that you can see like this. 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: They're all in one move practically. In other words, we 189 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: come in through a door and I'm in the foreground, 190 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: let's say, But he who's following me, the my lead 191 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: actor who was Mandy Patinkin at the time, and he 192 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: still is but um, you know, we see him standing there, 193 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: and then he comes forward and I sit down. He 194 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: becomes he's standing up, but the camera never moved, but 195 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: you see everything. Then the camera moves as we're together, 196 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: but it doesn't cut. And then he has you know, 197 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: when when he leaves me, you see him go out 198 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: the door. He slams the door and the camera moves 199 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: in a little bit. As I'm thinking about it, that's 200 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: the scene. But it's what's fun about that is that 201 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: we're all on our toes. You can't make a mistake. 202 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: And most of these shots that I do that there's 203 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: no coverage. That the greatest one of the very little 204 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: coverage the actors played the scene in the frame. Now, now, 205 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: in the time that you made films, the many years 206 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you've made films, successful acting and not directing, successful as 207 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: a director and producer, and all those things, were there 208 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: people that you wanted to work with with the people. 209 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: You sat there a guy, I'd love to make a 210 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: film with that person, because you've been in such a 211 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: privileged place and I had all these people available to 212 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: Was there a director that you dreamed of working with 213 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: you didn't get to work with? Well Ing Mark Bergman 214 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: is a person that contacted me to do a remake 215 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: of The Merry Widow. And I was so excited, you know, 216 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and I came to um Sweden and we embraced and 217 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: it was this wonderful embrace, you know. I mean he, 218 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: I can't explain what that what that's like. It's was 219 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: just he he sort of understood me, and I understood 220 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: him without any words. And the first act of that 221 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: screenplay was fantastic, I mean very body uh kind of shocking. 222 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: I loved it, you know. So then and when I 223 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: have letters now, I forget things until I have to 224 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: go into my archives and look at this stuff letters 225 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: from him and notes that I wrote back to him 226 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: talking about this film and what happened the second act? 227 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: You know, he says we're going to be collaborators. And 228 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: the second act was not very good. I thought it 229 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: was like like jevas Amadeus. I'm sure you're The first 230 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: act was extraordinary to me in the movie, and the 231 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: second act was, I don't know, just somehow repetitious. It 232 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: It didn't go far enough in the story, you know. 233 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: And that's the way I felt about this. And all 234 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden it was gone. The collaboration was over. 235 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: We never made the film, and I couldn't quite believe it. 236 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that I didn't like certain things 237 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: in the second act did he liked? Well, he never 238 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: defended it. It was like, you know, I think that's 239 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: right and so but I would have loved to work 240 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: with Berto Lucci and Scriss. You know what I did. 241 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: I realized this now and looking back at my life, 242 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: I turned down. Alice doesn't live here anymore, and I 243 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: you know why I turned it down. I didn't at 244 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: that point. I didn't realize who Marty Scorsese was number one. 245 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: Any movie I turned down I regret only because they 246 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: weren't attached to directors. I was off for Julia and 247 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: you know there was no director. James part Yeah, and 248 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: literally in Hellman came to my house and said, how 249 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: could you have not played me? You're Jewish? I'm Jewish. 250 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: You should have played me, I said. I was editing 251 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: A star was born, and so I was in the 252 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: middle of having to finish that movie. But and I 253 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: didn't know Fred Zinneman was going to be the director. 254 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: I turned down Cabaret because I didn't like the show. 255 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know Bob Fosse was going to be the director. 256 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: I would have done it just for Bob Fosse. He 257 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: was attached to Funny Girl before Jerry Robbins. Even I 258 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: loved him, but he didn't get along with Race Stark. 259 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: But Alice doesn't live here anymore. It was the part 260 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: of a if a girl who couldn't sing. She was 261 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: like a bar piano player of him. I remember thinking, 262 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do that, because people 263 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: associate me with being a good singer, and so are 264 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: they gonna believe me as a singer. And that's why 265 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I played a crappy, you know, 266 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: untalented a singer songwriter in that movie was a flop 267 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: what was it called? Again? All Night Long? Because it 268 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: was an interesting challenge, and I never forgot the fact 269 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that I should have played Alice doesn't live here anymore. 270 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? And I played this kind of ditzy 271 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: person who I was basing it on a friend of 272 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: mine who actually was so ditzy that she you know, 273 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: the phrase up the creek. She was leaving my other 274 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: house that has a stream, that place I lived before 275 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: in Malibu, and she actually drove up the creek, you know, 276 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: And so I used her. That's why she was very blond, 277 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: and I kind of used her as my prototype for 278 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: that character. But if I had done, Alice doesn't live 279 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: here anymore. Everything is meant to be, Isn't What I 280 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: love is when you talk about your career, you genuinely 281 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: mentioned these things, and for me, I have to do 282 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: the gag version of that to I'll be on the 283 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: set of a film and I'll say, He'll say, to me, 284 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: when you were a young actor, did you ever do 285 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: a scene in the movie that was kind of like, go, oh, yeah, 286 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: I said, I had an amazing scene in The Godfather. 287 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean I had a scene it was incredible in 288 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: The card Father. And you're lying to of course. And 289 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: when I was the Grandfather was made, I was thirteen 290 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: years old, and they'll sit there for him and go, 291 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: how old was he win the god because you're a 292 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: good actor, so they believe what you're saying, the actor, 293 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm foolish or whatever. It was something I was going 294 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: to tell. You know, I turned down a lot of 295 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: films because I was lazy. I'm basically I'm a dichotomy here, 296 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: lazy and um, I don't know what the word is, 297 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: restless restless? May yeah, like wanting to create a soup 298 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: about you, it would be called the Lazy and the Restless. 299 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm joking. Oh no, that's a very good time and 300 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: the exactly exactly. I love to take a vacation and 301 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: do nothing. I like to have no appointments. And I 302 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: think that's a condition in my mind of people who 303 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: have tremendous not so much financial success, but creative success. 304 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a famous actress who I won't name. Wait, 305 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: you know what, do you want to take a sip 306 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: of soup on your Do you want soup to I'll 307 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: have a soup? I mean we kind of say no. Well, 308 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean this is a I'm irish. It's bad luck 309 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: to say no to soup? Is that in Ireland? I 310 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: just made that up? Oh just put that over here. 311 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: Oh see, I just brought this table from the back 312 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: and we need another table maybe over here. Because this 313 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: is me so soup. Don't worry about me. I mean, 314 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: in other words, people know we eat right, so if 315 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: they hear it's okay, good, good, good good, because I 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: always like to eat. Oh really know you know you 317 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: won't mm hmmm. That is delicious, isn't it unhealthy? Um? 318 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: What we're talking about restless and lazy. To be clear, 319 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: lazy was her word, not mine. I'd never called Barbara 320 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: streisand lazy. One of the many artists Barbara Streisand has 321 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: worked with is a legend in his own right. Tony Bennett. 322 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Like Barbara, Tony has a team behind him making sure 323 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: his brand is as strong as his voice. Leading that 324 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: team for Tony Bennett is his son Danny. His dad 325 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: seemed to expect it of him. At the age of twelve. 326 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: He would come to me and go like, oh, I 327 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: got this thing, and but the dog, what do you 328 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: think he didn't delineate? And you know what I mean, 329 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's like I guess you know, at the 330 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: turn of the century, kids at twelve and thirteen, we're 331 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: working in the field. My interview with Danny Bennett is 332 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: at Here's the Thing, Dot Org. This is Alec Baldwin 333 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Barbara Streisand had 334 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward ambitions when she was starting out. And when 335 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: I would talk to McCartney about the Beatles, he said 336 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: to me, is it was hard work. Later on when 337 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: they gain creative control of their material and it's like anybody, 338 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: then they take a year to do another album. But 339 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: in the beginning they really worked like dogs, you know. 340 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: And for you, I'm wondering at the beginning when you 341 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: do Broadway, are you out there and you're just so 342 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: pumped and excited and you're young, and everyone's glorifying you 343 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: and loving what you're putting out there, and you really 344 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: love you said, they're going, I don't want to do 345 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: this show eight times a week? Like what happened to 346 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: you in the beginning? Were you excited and game in 347 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: the In the beginning, I wanted to prove myself. I 348 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: wanted to prove to my mother that I could be 349 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: a success. You know. It comes from that. It's like 350 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: really deep. It's deep and quiet. It's not loud, by 351 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: the way, It's not what makes Sammy run it's quiet, 352 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: it really is um. But again you can feel that passion, 353 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: you can feel that need to be seen somehow, because 354 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't seen much by my I didn't I lost 355 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: my father. How were you? Your dad passed away fifteen 356 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: months But my mother said that after he died, I 357 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: would climb up on the window waiting for him to 358 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: come home, because I used to do that, I guess 359 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: as a baby, and wait for him and he would 360 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: come home. And in a sense, I've idolized my father 361 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: because he was a PhD. He was a teacher, which 362 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: I so respect teachers, and he wrote poems, and he 363 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: was artistic, and he was an athlete as well as 364 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: a a debater, you know, and and he was in 365 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: part of French dramatics and English literature. And I didn't 366 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: read his thesis until many years later because me as 367 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: an actress when I was sixteen, I was fascinated by 368 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: Eleanora Dusa and Sarah Bernhardt, wanting to be an actress. 369 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: And my father's books were tied up in the basement 370 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: of our Brooklyn apartment, Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, all the 371 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: great novels I read, Uh, what do you call it? 372 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: Nancy Drew mysteries. I read movie magazines, you know, and 373 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: dream that someday maybe I could be famous. Do you 374 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: have that dream? Then when you're here, I would have 375 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: my kind of coffee ice cream briers and sit in 376 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: my bed and dream, go to the movies sometimes on 377 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: a Saturday afternoon, the Lowise Kings where they had the 378 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: greatest ice cream, and we also, well, yeah, you're you're 379 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: you're like me. Somebody'll say what was the best part 380 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: of the summer. I'd say, what is this restaurant that 381 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: has the best coffee ice cream with chocolate covered handelnuts? 382 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: But watching who in the on screen? If to the 383 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: extent you want to say, we call somebody watched with Visio, Yeah, 384 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: that's it. I want to do something like that. Not 385 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Doris Day. I mean it was well, I loved Marjorie 386 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Morning Star because I knew the summer places in where 387 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: I was sent to camp in the Catskills, or my 388 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: mother and stepfather when they came to visit me. I 389 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: didn't know my mother was married, and I said, I'm 390 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: going home from here. What do you mean you didn't 391 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: know your mother got married? She never told me. So 392 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: he was a boyfriend for a while. I guess he 393 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: was around. No, I never met him before, but when 394 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: I insisted, see, I was as I was a strong kid. 395 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: So my mother came to visit me with the stranger, 396 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: and I said, I'm going home. I'm not staying here 397 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: another day longer, so we have to pack me up. 398 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: I think I was seven and a half maybe, So 399 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: for a long time of your youth you were raised 400 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: by him. He was on the scene when I go home. 401 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: Then he's in your life. He's in my life, the stranger. 402 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: How did he handle you? Didn't like me, he didn't 403 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: like you. Why it's exactly right. Was the connection with 404 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: him such as it was, because the connection with your 405 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: mother also was a bit thinner than you might have 406 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: liked compared to your feelings for your father. I grew 407 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: up in a house where my dad was my idol. 408 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: I idolized my ad and my mom, my older sister 409 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: and I we were her lieutenants, chores, chores, and your 410 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: mom didn't push him or cajole him or try to 411 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: get him to never your your relationship with your mom 412 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: was a little less than it was your feeling towards 413 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: your father, well or you head over heels in love 414 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: with your mother? No, no, no, no. I I felt 415 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: that she didn't know me. She didn't know could she. 416 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't think my mother knows me either, But I've 417 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: seen now in my life. She couldn't. She wasn't capable. 418 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: My mother never said to me, my mother's alive. And 419 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: I wrote this in my book. She never once said 420 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: to me, what's it like to be you? When you 421 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: get up there and do that? And what do you enjoy? 422 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: But to understand me? And and I'm her son, I'm 423 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: her oldest son. And where was the conversation about when 424 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: I go through in my life and my career, My 425 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: mother never heard nothing about that. My mother's love was 426 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: shown through food she would bring me when I was 427 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: a young actress, you know. And I moved away from 428 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: home when I was sixteen, from Brooklyn to New York. 429 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: Got an apartment right next to me. I graduated high 430 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: school at uh sixteen erasmus. Yeah, I graduated in three 431 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: and a half years so I could. I doubled my 432 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: science and math, which I loved. I love those subjects. 433 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Were desperate to get out of Brooklyn. I was desperate 434 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: to be an actress, to get away from real life, 435 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: not a singer and actress, an actress, oh yeah. And 436 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: my my singing was when I was five and six 437 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: and seven on the stoop in Brooklyn with the girls, 438 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: you know, singing and harmonizing. That was my singing. But 439 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: my love was wanting to be an actress. And so 440 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: that's when I went to the library Street Library and 441 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: read the plays of these great actresses, you know, and 442 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a classical actress. So part of 443 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: me still feels like a failure, you know. When I 444 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: wanted to do I wanted to play after I was 445 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: well known. I wanted to play the two Cleopatra's, the 446 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: one uh Caesar and Cleopatra and Anthony and Cleopatrick. Right, 447 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: so one is a child fourteen years old who I 448 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: thought it should be Orson Wells or Marlon Brando, fat, 449 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, and then I would be even little well fed, 450 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: yes um, and hiding you know from this man, and 451 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: then play the woman Cleopatra. And the television stations I 452 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: wanted to do it on TV, they say, well, is 453 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: it going to be a musical? I mean, you're gonna 454 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: add music. It's like they can't see that you could 455 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: do both I mean, though you have to do the 456 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: music with the you know, absolutely awful feeling. I wanted 457 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: to play Romeo and Juliet, and I got to do 458 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: it finally for Lee Strassburg at the Studio, and it's 459 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: one of my I can't find the letter that they 460 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: wrote me too. Well that's a whole long story, but uh, 461 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: to invite you to join the studio. Yeah. But when 462 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: I first auditioned for the studio, I was fifteen and 463 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I was doing it with another guy who asked me 464 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: to just be in it. But they wrote me a 465 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: letter to say, do your own audition, and then when 466 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: I did, they found out I was fifteen and they 467 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: said come back when you're you know, eighteen. It's probably 468 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: a nice way of saying no, but um. So that's 469 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: why it was terrible. When I was in on Broadway, 470 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: I wrote on my play bill, I am not a 471 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: member of the Actor's Studio, because all the actors who 472 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: were would say a member of the actors studio, and 473 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: I was piste off at them, you know, um, but 474 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: that was interesting. I did some of my best work 475 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: then when I was fifteen and six and I played media, 476 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, and did that great Aria after she killed 477 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: her kids. And you know, she says a line like 478 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: you know something about this wound in the middle of myself. 479 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: What a brilliant line. I mean, I am a woman 480 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: and I with this wound in the middle of myself. Um. 481 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: I was good then, And do you see what you're saying? 482 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: This wound in the middle of myself? At the actor's studio, 483 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: you know that was that was for um? Just I 484 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: did it in class? That scene from media? Where was 485 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: your class? You know what I would do? Then? I 486 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: would um I had another name, so I wanted I 487 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to miss anything. So I went to two 488 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: different acting classes and gave a different name in one, 489 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: and then I used to to make money. You've got 490 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: four dollars and five cents. It was to be an 491 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: usher in the theater. So I would love to go 492 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: see the plays. But in a sense, I didn't have 493 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: enough money to see all the play So I I 494 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: became an usher in the theater so I could see 495 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: the play. But meanwhile, I was sixteen seventeen, that kind 496 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: of age. I knew that I would be famous because 497 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: I would hide my head so they wouldn't see me 498 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: at my face showing them to their seats because I thought, 499 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, when I become famous, they're going to recognize 500 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: me as the girl who showed them to their seats. 501 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: So how do you figure that that? That's something I 502 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: can't explain you. Really, there's a part of you that 503 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: knew you would end up doing what you did. And 504 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't, you know. And my mother didn't believe in me. 505 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: She's she kept telling me, do what your father did. 506 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: Become a teacher. You get you know, you get time off, 507 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: you get vacations, free vacations, summers. Yeah, learn to type. 508 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: And that's when I let my nails grow along, so 509 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't type. I believe me. I wish I could type. 510 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: Now I have to dictate everything into it French cooking 511 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: with your mother? Did she eventually come around? I mean, 512 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: how could she not come around with everything you've done. 513 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: I think I was really just trying to prove to 514 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: her that I I could be famous. By the way, 515 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: as soon as I became famous, I didn't like it. 516 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't like fame. I don't like stardom. I only 517 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: like the work, the creative work. That's all I like. 518 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: And you turned at that. So and Lisa didn't fake 519 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: it hat, sir, I guess I didn't make it. With 520 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: no formal voice training and no money to kick start 521 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: a career, streisand relied on raw talent to build herself 522 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: up and the wiles of a man who happened to 523 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: hear her at a small Greenwich village club called the 524 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: bon Soir. Martyrlickman was a music manager and almost as 525 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: young and hungry as Barbara herself. He used his slim 526 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: Rolodex and razors sharp pr instincts to help build Barbara's 527 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: image into what it is today. Drama don't bring around 528 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: a car. I met Marty at the Bonsa when he 529 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: came one night. I was nineteen, and he saw me 530 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: as the first act, the opening act, and said, if 531 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: you ever need me, kid, I was. I was kept 532 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: over at the Bonsa many times, but then I couldn't 533 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: get a job. Finally I got a job, and they 534 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: were paying me something like seventy five dollars a week 535 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: or a hundred dollars a hundred dollars a week. But 536 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I could eat, you know, so if people wanted me 537 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: to sit down, I would order a baked potato, you know, 538 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: sour cream and chives and the butter, but I couldn't 539 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: make a living. I really needed more. So I called 540 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: Marty and I said, you know, is there any way 541 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: you could get me a hundred and fifty dollars a week? 542 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: Marty told me many years later that he actually paid 543 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: the dollars because they wouldn't go for the the the rays. 544 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: That's why he's such a great person. Invested. He invested 545 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: in me. Yeah, you've been with him now for how long? 546 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: It's like, well, we separated for a while for a 547 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: few years. He didn't get along with. The man in 548 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: my life at the time was John Peters. I've read 549 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: this story before, something like that. But then, believe me, 550 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: we got back as soon as I could. So that 551 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: period is over fifty years. But if you take out them, 552 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: what does he do for you now? What does he 553 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: provide for you? What does he provide for you? Now? 554 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: You trust him everything? He reads scripts, you know, and 555 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: my full on manager. Today is his birthday, by the way, 556 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: he's eight years old. Happy birthday, Martyr. I was watching these, 557 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: um you know, not just old Cabot shows where uh 558 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: famous actors would come on. Is it a spring roll? 559 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: Is it meet? I think this one is a vegetarian 560 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: or are you a vegetarian? Well, I don't. I don't 561 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: need beef. Does there eat the light one? Yeah? I 562 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: think it's chicken? Is it not good? I remember I 563 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: was sitting in your apartment years ago. I've a very 564 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: hungry one work and Sis Corman was there and you 565 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: were going to do Princes of Tis, and I came 566 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: to meet with you. I remember print sometimes and your 567 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: woman who took care of your apartment, came in and 568 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: you said, you said, yeah, I'll eat a little something. 569 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: I could eat a little something. I could eat little something. 570 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: And she would to bring us some crude to tay, 571 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: or crackers or whatever, some spreads. You looked at me 572 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: and you said, oh god, I gotta you know, I'm 573 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: gonna get ready to do a movie and I love 574 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: to eat. And I said to you, I go, if 575 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: we do this movie together, I'm gonna hire us a chef. 576 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: I'll pay for it, and this chef will come down 577 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna eat whatever that we want. That's why 578 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: I loved you. And you look at you look at 579 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: were like, wow, we could be I always just forget about, 580 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, driving ourselves crazy with all that. Let's go 581 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: down and make the movie have a good and we 582 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: feel like eating, we eat, and we don't feel like eating, 583 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: we don't eat. We don't have to go a great idea. 584 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: And the new cast what's his name in the nick 585 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, yes, because he had to be a white 586 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: looking Southerner. You know what I mean. You're very New York. 587 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: I love that movie, did you now? Watching those old 588 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, cabots, and on comes Brando and on comes 589 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: this one and that one from that generation of Bella 590 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: Fonte when he was young and all that civil rights activism. 591 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: Were you active then as well? I was supporting Bella 592 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Aps for Congress in like nineteen seventy nine, seventy I 593 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: even supported Mayo Lindsay, who was a Republican, because I 594 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: liked him. I liked the way he spoke. You know, 595 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: I thought he was a leader. He was a leader, 596 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: and he was fair and he was believed in justice, 597 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: and I just liked him. He was also adorable looking. Um. 598 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: So you know, it's like, you know what happened when 599 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: I sang in Houston, by the way before the storm. 600 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: I invited the Bushes President H. W. Bush. I mean, 601 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: um forty one and Barbara Bush to come to my concert. 602 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: And they came and I gave him socks because I 603 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: heard he collect socks. And they came backstage and she 604 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: brought me a pin and I gave her something and 605 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: they were just so lovely. You know, he had dignity. 606 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: He had great dignity, and she was an advocate for 607 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: women's rights. I like good people. That's why I can't 608 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: quite understand what's happened to this country. And it all 609 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: it goes back to women, to women against women. Yesterday 610 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: I was watching Hillary being interviewed by somebody and the 611 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: first question was so rude by the woman. Well, how 612 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: do you know that the Democrat that's even want you around? 613 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: When I when she was running, there were three women 614 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: who interviewed her as well, and they were so the 615 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: faces scrunched up, you know, on television, going well so 616 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: are you trustworthy? Are you not trustworthy? I mean, they 617 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: would like shockingly rude attitudes. And I told her chief 618 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: of staff, you know, I think you should be interviewed 619 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: by men. They're going to be nicer to her than 620 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: the women of white women voted for Donald Trump. Now, 621 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: how do you figure that? I saw her on the 622 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: view this morning, and I think I would have said 623 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: if he was in my space like that. I don't 624 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: think you have to call him a creep, but you 625 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: could say, you know, you're gonna get your own time, 626 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: They're gonna they're going to ask you a question, and 627 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: would you like me to stand behind you in the shot? 628 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so. So if if you don't mind, 629 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: can you If she did that to him, I used 630 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: that phrase and appended to a lot of things if 631 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: she had done that to him, if she had said 632 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: that about him. So you sing at Clinton's inauguration, you're 633 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: close to Clinton. The old Clinton years and the nineties 634 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: they were great, and they were great. They were great. 635 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: Coming up Barbara Streisand and I go deep into progressive 636 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:49,479 Speaker 1: politics and ice cream. This is Alec Baldwin and you're 637 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: listening to here is the thing. For Barbara Streisand, of 638 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: politics has always been a priority. She spoke out in 639 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: support of Bella Abzug during abs first congressional campaign in 640 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: and she has remained politically active since. Streisand was a 641 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: major supporter of Hillary Clinton, even after Clinton voted for 642 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: the war in Iraq. You have to remember this because 643 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: I've discussed this with her and m President Clinton. She 644 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: at the time thought that Bush would keep his word. 645 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: Bush and they were supposed to go to the u N. 646 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,479 Speaker 1: They were supposed to have weapons inspectors um make sure 647 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: that there was you know, nothing there that that wasn't done. 648 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: We had weapons inspectors because I used to talk to 649 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: Scott Ritter, who was a weapons inspector there for seven years, 650 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: and he said, there are no weapons left and if 651 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: there were any chemical weapons, they have a shelf life there. 652 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: They don't work, That's what we saw. But they weren't 653 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: even allowed to even complete anything. They certainly never went 654 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: to the u N. And all of a sudden, you 655 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: know where there were in a war. Without picking someone 656 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: in a current menu of candidates, I mean there are 657 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: two women that come to mind, Kamela Harris here from California, 658 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: where a lot of people are talking about her and 659 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: how gleaming she seems right now as a candidate, and 660 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: of course Elizabeth Warren. But without picking anybody individually, what 661 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: do you think we need to run in to be Trump? 662 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: What kind of person you think is going to take 663 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: forget about man or woman, is gonna be a person 664 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: who does water, who says what who says the truth? 665 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: Truth is everything? I mean, that's what kills me. I 666 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: love the truth. I love the power of the truth. 667 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: You have to believe that person, and you have to 668 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 1: believe they stand for what American values are supposed to mean, 669 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: not like in the new Gingrich way of whatever that 670 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: is American values, but to be for justice, to be 671 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: for diversity, to be respectful, to accept change, to accept change. 672 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: That in New York I'll never forget the Daily News. 673 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, this is a fact. I suppose when 674 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: the when the census came out in or two thousand, 675 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: you have ten years of the Daily News put on 676 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: the cover that white New Yorkers were now the plurality 677 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: that they were under, that the city had now become 678 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: fifty one literally black, Asian, Hispanic, and so forth, that 679 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: white New Yorkers and all five boroughs represented less than 680 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, that may be true, but what 681 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: do you promoting when you write that? And that's going 682 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: to happen in this country? White privilege as we understand it, 683 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: and white people. I'm not saying we're gonna become Rhodesia, 684 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: but it's I think that people who accept change what 685 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: choice do you have but to accept change that this 686 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: world we live in could become more and more diverse, 687 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of people's sexual identity and women 688 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: in power and things like that. And I find that 689 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: the Democrats, I mean, I'm very critical of them as well. 690 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: The Democrats will say almost anything to get elected. I 691 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: don't think so well. I think the Republicans will say 692 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: anything together, Like there's a difference for Democrats almost anything. 693 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: And the Republicans will say the Democrats are too nice, 694 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: that's what, Yeah, they don't. I always wanted to run 695 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: because I'm not very nice, and I wanted to be 696 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: the you'd probably be a hit. Then I wanted to 697 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: be the more two fisted Democrats. That's what That's what 698 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: it should be. You have to say it like it 699 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: is yourat You have to be tough. That's actually what 700 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: I said when I first met Obama, I said, we 701 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: did a fundraiser for him and it raised eleven million 702 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: dollars that night, and um, I sat with him and 703 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 1: I said, are you tough enough? That was my first 704 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: question to him. Of course I'm tough, you know, but 705 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a terrible thing to say, but okay, 706 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: and I know it can't be done. But when Russia 707 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: was suspected of invading our democracy, I thought to myself, 708 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: why aren't they postponing the election? How do you have 709 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: an election now when Russia is hacking us? Don't we 710 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: do it over? Don't we do it over? That's what 711 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: I thought. And whenever I've said it to anybody, they go, 712 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: you can't do that. Why not? It is we it 713 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: is weird, and the result of the election, it is 714 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: entirely false. But let it stand because to change it 715 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: would be really the country couldn't happen. No, I mean, 716 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: look at the difference. I'm going to write an article 717 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: actually about this next week about the difference of America. Yeah, 718 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: the difference in America. What it would be like if 719 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: Hillary were president. Do you realize that women and girls 720 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: could hold their head up high? She and Angela Merkel 721 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 1: would be running a free world. To see the Woman, 722 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, Wonder Woman movie, it was fantastic because women 723 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: were in charge. Women are nurturing, and women can be 724 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: tough and make decisions that are based on compassion and wisdom. 725 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, even in the Jewish religion, women the Orthodox 726 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: Jewish religion, which I am not. But men have to 727 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: say certain prayers every day, but women have to say 728 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: less prayers because they are closer to God, because they 729 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: are creative. They they birth babies, they feed those babies, 730 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,439 Speaker 1: they nurtured them after. That makes them different. It does. 731 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: My wife reminds me of that every day. Actually, well 732 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: that's good, different now, but it is true. But I 733 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: think what we're missing with Trump is compassion, kindness, respect 734 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: When I when I like, as you said, is that 735 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: we're missing honestly, and honesty is everything. Could we just 736 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: be honest, We'll get through everything. We can't understand the news. 737 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: It was like he was a farce. He was a 738 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: disrespectful woman. But don't you see stress, stress is causing 739 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: me to eat, you know more than I I'm gonna 740 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:27,959 Speaker 1: go pull on the side. I'm gonna do something cheese. Yeah, um, 741 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: it's and it's you know. I found out that when 742 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: you're stressed, you cortisol levels raising, and cortisol makes you 743 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: gain weight. Yes, so I was. I was away with 744 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: some friends for a week. I didn't read a book. 745 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: I played games, which I played to fall asleep at 746 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: night because I'm after looking at TV and reading the news, 747 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: I I can't fall asleep, so I have to play backgammon, 748 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,919 Speaker 1: you know, and gin so I mean, it was such 749 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: an interesting thing for you, who's a eater too. Every 750 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: day we had bread and butter, you know, every day 751 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: we ate pasta in Italy. Every day we had desserts 752 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: with sugar. We gained nothing, maybe two hours. We just 753 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: let it go, not having a wallow with her. I'll 754 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: never forget Kathleen Turner and she said this on this show. 755 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: She was one of my first guests. And I said 756 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: to you, you were married to your husband Jay, you 757 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: got divorces and you never got married again. I said, 758 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: do you do do you miss that? Do you want 759 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: to be with somebody? And she said, Alec, I put 760 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: the key in the door of my apartment, and the 761 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: thing that makes me most happy as I know that 762 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: there's nobody on the other side of that door I 763 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: walk in, I can do whatever I want to do. 764 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't have to ask anybody's permission. Ba. And she 765 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: really was happy to be single. And you you don't 766 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: like to be single, but I was for a long time. 767 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: But no, I like looking forward to my husband coming home, 768 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: and you know, we for him to so we could 769 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: eat together. Yeah. Absolutely, And he enjoys food too. I 770 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: mean we just take trips up to Santa barber just 771 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: to get an ice cream cone from McConnell's, my favorite 772 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: flavor Brazilian coffee, which they don't sell in points in 773 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: the market. You have to go there or like now, 774 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: I can't have it in my freezer because I'll eat 775 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: the whole point. I just start with a little and 776 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: a cone just you know, well it's melting around the 777 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: edges and I'll just eat that part and just no, 778 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: it's gone to me. There's that familiar sound. I'll be 779 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: watching the news and it's like ten o'clock at night. 780 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: I'd be eating a late night pint of ice cream, 781 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I hear that unmistakable 782 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: sound of the spoon scraping the bottom of the Okay, 783 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: I go, oh my god, how did that happen? But 784 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: how come your thin? How did you lose weight? I 785 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: started sugar. Sugar was my nemesis. I'm pre diabetic and 786 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: my numbers were tragic. And they said to me, you're 787 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: gonna start shooting over and I said, and they said, 788 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna start having to shoot insulin. If you don't 789 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: get with this, So I still uh do bad things 790 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: of me now and but nowhere near. I mean, I 791 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: was somebody that ate I was. I was truly I 792 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: can say this without without hesitation. I was an ice 793 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: cream addict, greaters having greaters ice cream sho. You have 794 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: to look one day when you're cheating, you have to 795 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: try mcconnald's. Do you like coffee, It's the greatest coffee. 796 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 1: They were so sweet mcconnald's. Because when I did my 797 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: last movie with Seth Rogan, I had to eat ice cream, 798 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: so I said, I have to have the ice cream 799 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: from Santa Barbara. But I had them try something that 800 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: Will Writes used to do that went out of business. 801 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 1: They had chocolate covered chocolate that sounded so Brooklyn. Chocolate 802 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: covered chocolate covered almonds in the coffee ice cream. So 803 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: I asked them to make that flavor. But now people 804 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: develop nut allergies, so they hardly put nuts. You have allergies? 805 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: What do we care about allergies that we don't have? No, 806 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: we do care about them. But now I just read 807 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,800 Speaker 1: they discovered a drug that will take away nut allergies. 808 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: Do you ever read the magazine called the Week. I 809 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: love the Week, and I read an article in there 810 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: that talked about as a drug now to take away 811 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: not allergies. There was something I was going to tell you. 812 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: Let's stop this for a second. I didn't do. I 813 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: didn't do anything about climate change. It's so sad, you know. 814 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened, okay, in nine six that 815 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: Chernobyl melted down in the Ukraine. This is how I 816 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: got started with my foundation. That's why I did the 817 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: One Voice Um concert in my backyard to raise money 818 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: for Democratic senators and they won five out of the 819 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: six of them one and the Senate became Democrat. So 820 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,919 Speaker 1: we were thrilled, and that money became my foundation. So 821 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: the first chair I ever gave, you know where the 822 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,359 Speaker 1: chair is right, designated amount of Mind. Yeah, well, I 823 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: gave it to study climate change. At that time, it 824 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,280 Speaker 1: was called global warming. But when I heard these stories 825 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: about the the earth warming, it frightened me. So that 826 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: that's why I started my foundation. And now you know, 827 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: the Department of Energy, the State Department, even the EPA, 828 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: the Environmental Protection Agency. This Trump administration don't believe in 829 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: the science, so they've taken off vital information on their websites. 830 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: Can you imagine this? You saw that and they strip 831 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: all that out of their schools. We're not allowed to 832 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: use the word climate change. They're pretending it doesn't exist. Well, 833 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,479 Speaker 1: we better go to the moon or figure out where 834 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: to live, because you can't live like this as the 835 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: streets I know, but that gives no hope to anybody, 836 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: but the streets in Miami. The water is coming up 837 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 1: through the sewers. I mean, please, why can't people? That's 838 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: why people can do something about it, because people in 839 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,279 Speaker 1: numbers like these marches are very powerful. Right your congressman, 840 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: Call your congressman right the White House stand outside in 841 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: the front, you know, march something about doing something about 842 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,479 Speaker 1: climate change. My last question, you fraging into trouble because 843 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: I want to take you to dinner and have the McConnell's. 844 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: Wait if you want to come back now, I will. 845 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: And that is when you sing, you know, people will 846 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: hear your voice and they melts them. It really gets 847 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: to them. You know, you're the greatest female vocalist of 848 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: all time. Oh you're so sweet. I don't know other 849 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 1: women who I love. I'm not dismissing them, but you're 850 00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: the greatest female vocalist ever. What a compliment. And when 851 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: you go into the studio, when you go to record, 852 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's a passion, there's a connection as a soul. 853 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: I love recording because it's private and there it's just 854 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: me and the music. You know, I could look like crap. 855 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to dress up. I don't have to 856 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: put makeup on, and it's just it's just the sound 857 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: and the musicians, the the the instruments and what I 858 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: can hear and and say, oh, I could hear a 859 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: string line here with a sound and I don't read music, 860 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: but I'll have to go. You know that that note? 861 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,320 Speaker 1: What is it? I don't know, but it's that chord, 862 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: that chord, you know. I mean, it's just that's fun. 863 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: For me. What I like is the way I record 864 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: as though I can't. I don't stop at all and 865 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,399 Speaker 1: do anything. I do the song. I like to sing 866 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: the whole song because to me, I'm doing a part. 867 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm thinking, I'm doing my work as an actress. 868 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,479 Speaker 1: And you tell them how you want to sing the song. Yeah, 869 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,880 Speaker 1: I think for example, like Zenne Bennett, there's that wonderful 870 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: moment in Zenne Bennett. When Tony's with those two guys 871 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: and they play the song is that wonderful moment in 872 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 1: the film, And he sings the song and Tony goes, no, 873 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: I want you to do it slower, slow it down, 874 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,760 Speaker 1: do it slower, and they slow it down. He goes, no, slower, 875 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,720 Speaker 1: I want you to slow it down and do it slower, 876 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,839 Speaker 1: really slow, and they slay slow and they're looking at 877 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: each other like I don't think we should play this song, 878 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,279 Speaker 1: and so it's like, yeah, I really want you to 879 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080 Speaker 1: do it slow, like really slow it down, like you know. 880 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: Is he knows, of course? How he sign with me 881 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: here right in this room. We did our duet here together, 882 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 1: me and Tony right the singing you make you happy 883 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: that you can do that? Um, yeah it does. I 884 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: can hear things that I thought, oh shoot, I should 885 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,840 Speaker 1: have done that over it's not the right take, I 886 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: mean whatever, But no, I liked when when we put 887 00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: out a new album in serious radio plays mysel twenty 888 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 1: four hours a day and I happened to have the 889 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: radio on. I think that was good. I want to 890 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: say I love you, I love you to You're the greatest. 891 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: More Live, More Lose the more I love, the more 892 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: I realized, the less I know, each step I take, 893 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: not I have a voice, page I turned ivor choice smell. 894 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: I to travel the rev the more I have to go. 895 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:57,320 Speaker 1: What to go? If you come for so? Why settle 896 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: for just the I can't hear you, Papa, I can 897 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: see you well, I can't feed. Here's the Thing is 898 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: produced by Emily Boutine, Adam Tychultz, Kathy Russo, Casey Baber, 899 00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: Zack mcnee's, Joe clrd Bahon, Belladoni, and Ed Haber. This 900 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,840 Speaker 1: is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to hear is the 901 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: Thing