WEBVTT - #63 - Wayno 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:11.879 You got a banger, all right, so check it out. Man, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.760 We have got Wayno on the podcast. Welcome to the 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.200 Blue le Cap Podcast. Hope everyone's having a great fucking day. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.400 Wayno is somebody who you probably know from everyday struggle 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.400 with academics. He held that seat down for over three years. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.880 He's also been around in hip hop for years. He 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.200 was an an R. Rockefeller in the early two thousands. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.040 He managed Dave East for some years, and he's just 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.360 all in all the solid fucking duty. Just launched his 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.720 podcast on which we're gonna be talking about. This is 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.599 one of my favorite interviews I've done in a long time. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.000 We just shoot the shit for an hour forty five 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.760 something close to that about hip hop, about his career, 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.280 about some of the history has been a part of 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.040 his tell some crazy stories man. So Wayno Is on 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.959 the podcast today. While you're listening, though, head on over 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.880 to odd socksofficial dot com keyword bootleg keV at check 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.880 out to save twenty percent off the flyest and most 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.120 comfortable socks in the world. All Right, they just got 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.720 their Naruto license, pimp se I know they just signed 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.320 some crazy rappers too. You're gonna be seeing that coming soon. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:20.080 Wwe Naruto, mac Dre, Godfather, breaking Bad. They got it 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.720 all all right, So go to odd socksoficial dot com 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.080 and use the keyword bootleg Care for twenty percent off 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.319 and check out their new draws. They got Boxer Briefs 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.520 premium underwear now available for purchase, so go get them. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.120 And let's get into this episode with WAYNEO. Legendary interview, 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.600 great conversation, press play, relax, and let me know your 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.800 thoughts on this one. Don't forget to rate the podcast 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.399 on iTunes. If you're listening on iTunes, man rate that 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.600 motherfucker for me. Please appreciate it. All right, let's get 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.000 into It's the Boutlet Cap Podcast. Yo, Boutlet Cap Podcast 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.560 Special guests. Man, the Homie Waino is here. Brother, Welcome, Welcome. Man. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:56.880 We've been trying to make it happen for a while 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.480 for a while, and I gotta I gotta go on 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.320 record and apologize for my lateness today. Oh you're good man. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.360 I mean it's cool, but at the same time, it's like, bro, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.360 like I'm the person that, like everybody in my family knows, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:08.720 I don't play with time and I don't play with 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.440 people time. So it's like I just have to stress 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.360 that it's all good, man, it's all good. Congrats on 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:18.160 the new podcast. I checked out the first episode and 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.960 then I checked out some of the third episode that 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.160 just dropped yesterday. What give me like kind of the cause? 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.040 You could have went a few different ways with like 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:31.160 coming out of uh doing every day Struggle. I like 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.760 the direction you took, but like kind of you know, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.440 introspective conversations. I think that what's dope is like there's 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.440 so many gems in these early episodes already just based 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.359 on your background and like how you've lived your life 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.000 and stuff, But like what made you go that direction? 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.480 Not and not kind of go something similar to what 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.520 you just came out of, because like, all right, so 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.160 every day Struggle. I'm not trying to minimize nobody who's 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.920 been a journalist that they haven't like that never was 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.080 my dream, right, It never was my dream to be 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.360 on a sh show. I never wanted to be on camera, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.359 none of that. It's just like it kind of was 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.160 the luck of the draw. I mean, it came at 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.920 the right time and once I got into doing Once 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.799 I got into doing content, a lot of people don't 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.520 know that, Like, Bro, I'm the person that stays at 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.520 the barbershop for two hours because we're gonna talk about basketball, right, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.760 We're gonna talk about family. We just that's what we 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.280 do in the barbershop. So I was like, I want 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.640 to bring my perspective or the things that I'm into 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.320 and the things I care about as opposed to just 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.639 talking about music all day. Music is my life. It 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.040 will never go anywhere, right, And for the people who 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.440 are fans of my music commentary, I got shit coming 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.680 for that. But for what I wanted to do with 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.720 Wayno's with hear Me at Waaenno was basically talk about 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.880 what's going on in the world, share my perspective and 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.720 share my stories so that people don't people think I 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.080 dropped on the earth like when I did every day strougle. Right. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.360 For people who didn't know, like who you were, Like, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.640 they were like, who is this guy? Yeah, But even 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.920 even with saying that who is this Guy's like, it's 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.960 a story to who this guy? It's not just mut 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.160 it just like you know, me being a parent, me 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.600 being a husband, me being a father, me being my 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.360 mother's son. It's all these different things. That I wanted 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.880 to talk to with people so that they could realize 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.320 like who I am and feel like look at me 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.240 and say, oh shit, like if he did it, I 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.720 could do it, or if he did it, like shit, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.960 his story might inspire me where I'm at and make 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.880 me want to go on my path and do what 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.440 I want to do. So that's why I did it. Yeah, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.000 because I had known you, because we had conversations about 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.359 Davies when you were working with Dave, and then I 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.960 saw you on There was that weird stretch after Joe 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.320 Budden left Every Day Struggle when they had Star on there, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.159 and that shit was whack because it was almost like 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.200 they're kind of both the same dude. There was like 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.720 no voice or reason in the room. I'll say about 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.440 star Bro. A lot of you know, the thing was Start. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.120 A lot of people get Star fla Bro. I when 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.400 I was in high school, I used to wake up 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.440 early in the morning his Star No. I mean he's 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.599 a radio legend. Yeah, But I think the thing is 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.880 is that like because even me, I didn't know nothing 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.840 about what I'm doing now right I started, But like 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.159 Star I love Start for who he is. I loved 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.560 him talk crazy but it's not the same platform. It's 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.000 not the same platform. And I think when you have 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.479 him and academics, it's almost like there's no like waste 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.320 of reason in the room. That's really your academics. He 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.520 does have voice of reason, but everybody wants to combat it. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.240 I think the thing is is, like, you know, we 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:23.080 accept the message depending on the messaging, and like some 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.599 of the messages that he may have, if you be 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.560 around him and you sit with him and you know him, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.400 it makes sense. But if you don't know him, you're like, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.839 who the fuck is he to say something? Why should 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.480 he have the right to It should be me, or 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.400 it should be somebody else, So it should be And 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.160 he says a lot of shit. That means he said 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.400 a lot of shit that don't make sense to me. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.240 That's my brother, though I'll fuck with no matter what. Yeah, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.920 I think for me, like the academics thing, I think 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.560 that I've always had a lot of respect for somebody 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.920 who literally built up a platform from their bedroom, right, right, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.160 you know what I mean? And you're right, Like he's 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.919 had some wild shit that he'll say, Like, but you 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.240 know what I learned from about the wild ship that 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.440 he says, you gotta remember, Bro. It's like I always 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.120 look at life as like life is a movie and 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.880 everybody's playing roles in different roles. A lot of people 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.039 don't know the roles that they're playing. He's fully aware 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.479 of the role he's playing, and he knows how to 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.960 leans into it. He leans into it. He knows how 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.120 to entertain within that role. See when I got Bro, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.360 when I got on every day struggle, I never entertained 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.000 nobody in my life. Like I come from the hood. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.680 Like I don't say that as a mindset. It's not 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.159 place I come from the hood. I come from like 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.400 a certain type of background. So I don't understand. I 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.000 understand being entertained, but I understand how to entertain. And 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.600 that's what I learned from academics, Like you know what 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.600 I mean. Like a lot of the silly shit he does, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.600 he'll he'll wrap that around a message. But you you 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.000 looking at all the other ship and you by the 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.800 time you get to it, you're like, h he kind 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.400 of got a point, But fuck him because we don't 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.600 like him. That's all it really is. Bro. People just 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.520 don't like him, but they don't know him. Yeah, I 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:55.200 think that you know with him. I think there's just 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.440 a few things that happened. I think that Freddi Gibbs thing, 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.120 Gibbs the foot he should have about to give ship. Bro. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:05.200 It's like we was a we did Complex con and 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.920 we went to a party, me and him, and this 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.040 is the first time we had ever been outside altogether 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.560 because act don't go nowhere like people I'm gonna run 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.080 that You're not running down him, no, because he don't 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.960 go anywhere. So we went to this party it was 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.840 on sunset and gives us this way he was there 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.040 and gives us really cool like it wasn't no no bullshit. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.960 But this is prior to prior, prior to the crazes, craziness, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.800 prior to the craziness. But I feel like Gibbs is 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.120 smart in that space too, because he knows how to initate. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.480 Like he leaned into it, Bro into it. Man. He 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.960 made the T shirts and he did the game of 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.720 thrown ship. He put my face and that's like the 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.840 memes was funny, Like it just was funny, you know 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.280 what I mean? But act like you gotta remember, Bro, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.360 it's you take a dude who Yeah, he he built 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.600 his you want to call it the empire. You want 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.120 to call it some fun shit, whatever, you got to 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:53.880 call it the empire. Man, you got to give that 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.080 man his respect. Everybody got a different definition, right. But 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.320 whatever he built, he built it himself. And not only 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.480 The thing that I respect about academics is before he 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.880 went and bought himself this big old crazy house, he 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.080 bought his mother house, right, you know what I mean. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.560 They came here from Jamaica. You know what I'm saying, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.920 Like he got good family. Like if you meet his 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.120 I never met his mom, but his brother is my guy, 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.080 you know what I mean. You meet people around him, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.840 you'd be like, how the funk he turned? Like that? 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:21.800 He just wanted to be entertainer. But he's like a wrestler. Bro. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.040 I was gonna say, he's like the Paul Hayman of 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.520 hip hop, Like he just got that. You know, he's 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.600 talking all that ship. But you know what's crazy about 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.440 that conversation. You know how people always say rap is 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.720 wrestling because they call it fake. Wrestling is more than 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.160 realing rap than me. It's way more real and rap. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.680 Because I don't disagree, because because I'm a big wrestling fan, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.199 So it is wrestlers. You actually get fucked up in 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.520 wrestling breaker Lane, I went, I took my son. I 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.360 was surprised my son at Monday Monday Night Raw like 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.760 five years ago. The most entertaining shit IVE ever been 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.280 in bad especially for sitting like like the but it 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.000 was nobody. It's amazing. But the reason why I said, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.440 because like the problem with a lot of artists is 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.040 that they don't know that they're playing a role, you 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.240 know what I mean, Like they you think that you're 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.040 doing all this real ship when you're really trying to 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.480 sell a product. Did you see Joe Rogan talking with 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.600 Undertaker about I watched that whole podcast that ship was 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.360 because you couldn't tell me when I was a kid 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.520 that Undertaker wasn't a demon possessing Paul Barrow was controlling 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.600 them with the earth of course, like I really believed that. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.040 But think about like well he was talking about like 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.800 when he he purposely when he would leave and like 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.080 be in hotel rooms, he would purposely wear all black. Yeah, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.000 he leaned into the no matter what. So probably the 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.360 thing I had. The reason why I'm saying that is 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.120 because it's like if a rapper, if an altercation happens 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.560 and a rapper who raps a certain way doesn't react 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.920 a certain way. Ayboy, all he faked he is, and 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.480 he that if we was across the street and shots 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.319 started flying and I seen on Schwarz Nigga, I'm not 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:47.679 looking for him to pull out the Desert Eagle and 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.080 start clapping, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, he played, 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.840 He plays his role, and I feel like not enough 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.080 artists they don't have the freedom to just play their role. Well, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.280 that's that's that's an interesting conversation about that, right. I 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.960 just we just released the interview with two eleven who 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.680 used to be even from c Yeah. So he just 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.800 actually put out a whole project, was like Gibbs on 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.800 like nine records. It's like a little key like a 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.520 Freddie Gibbs collap album. But we were talking about the 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.240 g Z Gucci versus battle and and he's got his 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.960 problems with g Z, and he was saying essentially that 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.319 GZ played himself, and I was like, well, look on 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.800 the other side of the coin, Jez. You know, g 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:30.120 Z kind of showed a whole generation that you know, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:35.240 it's it's not very touchy, it's very touchy because someone died, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.960 somebody See that's the thing, right, Like everybody talks about 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.240 what they would do in that situation, until in that situation, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.040 I've never My first friend that I ever had in 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.880 life is tatted on my on my arm he got murdered. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.560 I don't know how I would feel if I saw 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.840 his killer, right, I don't. I know that. I know 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.520 for a fact, I'm not trying to go to jail 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.640 just to just to just to think that I'm making 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.480 people happier, to give myself some satisfaction by taking his life. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.319 You got kids to worry about. I got a lot 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.920 of shit. You got, you got your livelihood, your career, everything. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.080 So I'm not like I can't speak That's one thing 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:08.960 I can't do. I can't speak for why, jeez, he 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.360 felt like he should have did that. But I know 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.520 why Gucci did it. You know what I'm saying. I 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.840 understand why he did it because if I'm on the 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.440 other side of the coin, I probably would have did 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.080 the same shit he did. Yeah, I think that, Like 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:24.640 you said, like, there's there's like especially with these there's 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.480 you know a lot of these kids in these younger generations, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.120 like you look like what's going on in Jacksonville with 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.720 the hip hop ship right now so insane, Kep. I 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.240 just say it as a black man, this shit this 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.400 heartens me to see. Like like when I was growing 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.640 up listening to music, we grew up on the same music. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.720 I never heard nobody like like when it was when 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.560 artists with this each other. They might have had a 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.080 problem backstage or something, but it was more centered around 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.040 you can it was more centered around the hip hop, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.560 the bar. It's just like and sometimes there'd be some 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.720 personal shit involved me, but it was never like I'm 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.000 a But the thing about it is is what I 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.800 be finding out with a lot of these stories is like, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.760 all right, these kids be getting into a lot of 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.760 this shit. When I was fourteen, I got into a 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.120 lot of stupid shit, but like these kids, it'd be 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.720 like y'all played basketball together, y'all used to sleep at 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.760 each other's house or his hont is your mom best friend, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.880 and y'all had and then y'all now y'all just super murderers, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.800 like you know what I mean. And the thing about 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.480 it is like nobody don't talk about like the post 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:28.199 trauma with these kids go through. No everybody sit here 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.040 act like they just just murdering killer. They not talking 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.240 about like the piece of theirself they lose when they 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.000 might have did some shit like that, you know what 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.280 I mean, they're waking up. Then I think about like 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.880 the young and age kid who put out the record, Bro, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.000 it's so crazy, but I've met him in interview him 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.000 and he seems like a nice, genuinely like sweet kid. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.360 And then he puts out and then the other kid 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.800 puts out a record on the graveyard of hit Like 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.240 it's like, it's crazy, like where the hell don't know? 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.600 But you know what's crazy most of the artists that 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.720 I meet, because this is the thing. I've been in 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.080 this ship, bro, I was I was really brought up 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.800 in this ship around state property. I'm saying. So it's like, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.320 which we'll get to, yeah, but I would just say 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.400 this before we get to that. Beanie Seagull might be 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.199 the toughest person I ever met my life, you know 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.880 what I mean. When he when he was at that time, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.800 but who he was to everybody when we came out 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.360 the house, because I lived with Beanie Siegua when he 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.079 was in the house arrest, who he was we came 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.320 out the house was a different person. Than when I 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.880 knew him, how I knew him, how his mother knew him, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.240 how his kid knew him. So I understand that, like 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.120 a lot in hip hop, we got this fucking this 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.720 wall built up that we don't want to break down, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.680 that we ain't got no feelings, we ain't got no remorse, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.160 we ain't got none of that, and that shit ain't 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.400 the case. And I feel like a lot of that 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.320 ship as me being a black man, is at the 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.319 detriment of the black man, you know what I mean, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.840 Because it's like I would hate to see younger age 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.960 sort of whoever the other kid he's beefing with, Yeah, 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.480 you're right, yeah, so I would confuse him, my yankee, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.520 But I would hate to see one of them go 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.320 down for some crazy because at the end is bro, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.559 you're hurting, your mom's like you, and an opportunity. You 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.480 got an opportunity where you can build some shit. Music 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:11.200 has changed so many people on this planet's lives where 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.800 it's like you got the opportunity to like really change 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.200 your life for generations. I don't know if they care 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.160 about that, orenough, because it's hard to tell a young 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.880 brother to see that. For I didn't see that far 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.640 when I was like young, but I'll just be like, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.840 let's move your mic in the middle of you. Okay, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.280 boom there we go. All right, okay better, But like 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.400 I'm just like, yo, bro, y'all gotta start noticing that 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.240 you have value when these record labels sign you and 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.160 give you all that money, which ain't no money to 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.600 them all. That's cute, right, but you have value. That's 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.240 the only reason why they fucking with you. Because you 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.560 have value. Now, that value that they see in you, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.440 you need to take that and build on that and 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.960 filter that into your family. Because bro, nothing's realid and 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.520 putting your loved ones in a box, right, nothing's REALI 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.520 than that shit. And if you leaning towards that type 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.080 of shit, you ain't for nothing but destruction. Yeah. I 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.760 just saw a clip of Master He on the Breakfast 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.440 Club that I thought was dope, and he was kind 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.560 of talking about how there was a lot of people 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.080 who were saying, like, you know, did he had some 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.880 responsibility for Black rob like you know, ship like that. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.680 But then he kind of took that into the conversation 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.800 of like, you know, the bigger labels, the you know, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.120 the Jimmy I Beans or the machines that are behind 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.120 a lot of these artists, like they're not stepping in 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.280 and like, you know, think about someone like NBA young 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.840 boy who's who? Like like who? Like? You know what 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.280 I mean? Like son, you know what I used to 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:33.840 give and be a young boy a lot of flak 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.680 until I watched that interview he did with injury they 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.800 and with hearing about that. That kid's story. He don't 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.160 know his father right, he don't got the best relationship 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.880 with his mother. He's raised by his grandmother. Can't he help? 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.360 And I when I say help, he need to show 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.280 to the lean on he needed. And it ain't just 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.000 about the big homies everybody who it's like some yeah, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.440 it don't first of all, like everybody was a big 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.320 homie and a gangster or something like that. Like you 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.840 just need a voice of reason around you and you 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.000 don't need to it don'ts need a person that need 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.280 to have money. The problem with artists is they don't 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:04.800 a lot of them don't want to. They don't want 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.520 to be helped, you know what I mean. A lot 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.160 of them feel like they don't need to help. And 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.120 I'm not speaking for NBAM. I don't know what he 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.240 of course brace that hasn't But like the ship with 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.800 with Black Rob and all that and everybody holding, how 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.680 can you hold did he responsible for somebody he gave 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.200 an opportunity to years ago? Yeah right he twenty one 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.720 years ago is when Life Story came out, right, Yeah, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.680 so I was a teenager at that time. I remember 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.840 buying that album. Man, So he gave this guy opportunity. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.720 And I again I can't speak for specifically with his 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.640 because I don't know Black Rob story. Of course. All 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.480 I'm saying is that you can't be held like just 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.840 because you the guy with that's the problem. Everybody can 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.680 look at his money and be like out in his pocket. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.400 Well you should have put him in rehab, or you 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:49.680 should have put him in this, or you should put 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:50.920 him in that, or you should have gave him this 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.280 or gave him That's like brow, how much do you 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.640 want for yourself? Yeah? Also like if like everybody who 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.640 did He's ever worked with ends up having like some 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.200 real issues in life, like you can't like like that's 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.920 so canarity? Charity can put you in poverty? Well that's 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.240 just a crazy thing to expect from anybody, let alone 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.600 Like did he or anybody like, yo, just be you know, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.320 like how many artists did he ever worked with? You 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.600 know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, it's been a lot, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.040 but I'm saying, but like if it's if he's responsible 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.080 for you can't be held to the standard of everything 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.359 that did not work. Cannot bros. It's no different than 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.920 a basketball team, right, It's like okay, like like all right, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.480 who's the Delonte West? Mark Cuban, Shout out to him. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.080 Shout out to Mark. You didn't need to do that. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:32.399 He didn't need to do that, but he did it. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.639 He did it. But everybody like, why don't Lebron go 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.480 get him? Why don't this person go get him? Why 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.720 don't that? First of all, you don't know if he's 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.520 tried to or not, right. Secondly, that's not his responsibility. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.880 But thirdly, if Lebron's mom slept with Delonte West, that's 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.800 the whole numb that's off the table. I don't hypothetically 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:57.200 hypothetically hypothetically, but everybody that doesn't have it always talks 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:58.960 about what they would do it. They lie. But I 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.119 even go call you a liar. You don't know what 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.160 you would do unless you have out there people be like, yo, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.119 if I had ten million out, yeah right, If you 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.960 got ten million, you got five million in taxes, yep, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.320 you got five million dollars, you got five million, then 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.880 you got to figure. So we think of these because 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.000 we traink to believe that these numbers are so large 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.919 and it's so much. But when you get to those levels, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.560 the level responsibility heightens, so it's like, yeah, you want 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.240 to live like this, you want to keep maintaining living 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.760 like this. You can't be helping everybody because you're trying 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.520 to maintain you on yours. I think that's the biggest 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.040 downfall of most artists that we see is that you'll 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.720 see them. I'll see them come up to the radio 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.640 station and they'll have twenty motherfuckers with them and they're 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.879 from like down South, So you know, that's twenty plane tickets, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.480 that's Lord knows how many hotel rooms, how much is 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.560 the airbnb? How much is everyone's food? You know all 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:48.159 that up. Only people I keep around me is people 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.240 that I work with and when I'm working right right, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.959 because like a lot of my friends don't do it. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.639 I like my real friends that I grew up with 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.439 don't do what I do. But it's like, I'm not 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.879 just going to keep you with me for shitting. Like 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.520 if you if you're around me, you gotta be working 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.880 on something. You can't just be sitting around. And I'm 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.200 just saying, well, what you're gonna do, man, what you 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.120 want to know? I'll take care of course, if it's 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.000 something that we all are working to us. But I'm 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.000 not just doing that. I'm also not a rapper, that's fair. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.040 I'm also not a rapper, that's fair. You know, now 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.920 that you're on the executive side, you're doing the A 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.240 and R thing for for Asylum, which is under Warner Brothers. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.440 Asylum just got revamped last year because I remember you 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.800 years ago, a couple of years okay, okay, okay, because 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.320 before it was like I remember, it's like bun b 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.800 and Mike Jones and Mike Jones Webby, Yeah, Boosy was 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.639 dead diplomats at point, That's right. Cam was over there, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.840 was it? K Killless season was on there? Season over there. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.080 I think the diplomatic community too, is on it. What 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.160 is your kind of thought process of like, because Asylum 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.520 is kind of like there's some independent ish vibes over there, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.919 even though it's under a major, but you've been in 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.320 the industry for so long. I always tell artists like, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.480 whenever you're gonna sign, like you know, don't worry about 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.119 the advance as much because I think a lot of 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.800 times people will rush to whoever's got the biggest upfront bag. Yeah, 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.000 so the thing what my fun I was gonna say, Well, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.600 like to me, like, that's most of the time, it's 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.960 a mistake because if you if you take that back 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.359 too early, the deal is probably really shitty and you 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.720 gotta be you gotta pay that money back. But you 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.600 got to pay all money back, like like, it depends 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.399 where you're at in life. It depends on where you're 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.320 in life, because I can't tell I can't tell a 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.320 young brother that assisted that's from Harlem, where I'm from, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:42.600 or from Louisiana, or from Orlando or Chicago, in any 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.400 place where it's poverty at don't take no money because 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.760 I don't know what your circumstances is. And when somebody 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.240 waving that in front of you, it's like, shit, what 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.680 am I to do? So I learned this from my 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.080 good friend Steve Carlos STEVEO. Yeah, when you do a deal, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:58.640 you got to do a deal, like right now, I'm 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.040 trying to buy a house, right, so good luck. Oh 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:07.200 it's crazy, it's crazy. You should wait. I'm waiting. Fucked 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.680 up right now? Is fucked up? You gotta you gotta, 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.760 you gotta, you gotta. The thing is, while it might 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:13.840 be fucked up for others, I don't have the same 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.000 situation everybody fair enough, So certain things work for me 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.200 that might not work for everybody. You gotta get in 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:20.639 where you fit in. You got to figure out what 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.719 works for you best. When you do a deal, you 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.359 have to do You got to understand first and foremost, 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:25.880 when you sign a deal, it's not just a deal 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.399 for you. That's a lot of artists think that, like 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.440 when they sign a deal, it's my deal. No, it's 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.400 both parties. It's for both parties. So when you're when 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.800 you when you sign for that bread and you you 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.240 all right, you got you got your your check, you 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.639 could go get your nice car, you watch you have 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.240 a nice night at the club. You can do whatever 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.000 whatever you want to do, move your mom, whatever the 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.199 case may be. You have to You have to immediately 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.600 put yourself in a position or put people around you. 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.439 That's learned that know business or teaching you business, because 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.520 if not, you're gonna get fucked over. It's like if I, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.320 like were talking about the house. I've been trying to 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.119 buy one for a long time now. But if I 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.840 go sign a bad deal for a house, right, you 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.320 think the bank gives a fuck. They're gonna get this back, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.639 regardless whether they put my shit in foreclosure. If I 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.080 can't afford it one day and they put my shit 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.040 in foreclosure and somebody buys it out and gets it 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.359 or I pay it off, they gonna get there's the 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.440 big corporation is gonna get this. But you got to 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.639 learn how to work within the system. So I always 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.320 tell people that, like, if you're gonna do a deal, 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.160 it's not about that events, it's about the terms. About 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.960 the terms, it's about what's on paper. If I tell you, keV, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.560 I'm moving out to La kind of fucked up, but 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.080 I need a place to stay, You're like, you know, wainit. No, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.359 I got you you come stay. We got this room, 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.760 but you like it ain't no all right? If you ain't, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:43.520 if you ain't gonna pay no bills in here. I 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.920 need you to pick my kids from school. I need 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.080 you to wash my cars. I need you to do 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:49.760 launching on Sundays when I want to go to the 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.800 game and watch the game and shit, And I'm like no, 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:54.639 I'm like, now, I ain't doing all that shit. And you, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.920 like you the one that you need the fucking place 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.240 to stay, not me. So a lot of people don't 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.480 approach it with a certain type of mindset. Also, I 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.120 think it's like based on the leverage, Like you said, 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.720 it's it depends on who you are on your leverage. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.600 So it's like, I know we've been talking about Gibbs, right, 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.000 So it was like when Gibbs did his deal, I 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.000 don't know none of his business, but I knew that 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.160 when he did a deal with Warner, he had done 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.119 so much groundwork and he puts so much work in 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.159 that he knew that the deal. Like me from the 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.240 outside looking at him, like, oh nah, he gonna be good. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.280 You know, he's not taking the deal because he's turned 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.640 out somebody, right, he's taking sense. It makes sense business 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.040 wise for the business he's trying to run. And then 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.920 it's like I can't tell you the amount of kids 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.399 brought I've tried to sign and the deal might not 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.080 be as much money, but it's better on the term side. 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:42.720 And then they go across the street and sign this 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.040 crazy fucking deal for all his money and nothing ever happens. 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.600 The problem with these artists that they don't know is that, 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.560 like the these are Fortune five hundred companies. They fucking 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.280 When you think of Warner, don't think of Cardi B's 0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:00.600 at Atlantic, think about the intellectual property of Batman in Greenland? Right? 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.080 You think they give a fuck about you streaming? You 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.000 just said you're not even a branch on the tree. 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.480 You a leaf on the tree. Now, if if they 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.840 could keep this business model running and going based on 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:12.520 how good you do. The thing about it is they 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:16.120 give you a million dollar deal. Guess what big big 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.560 labels could lose thirty million dollars in the lights ain't 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:20.280 gonna cut off. The water is still gonna run, It's 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.680 still gonna flush. But you feel special about that million. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.080 If you get a million dollar deal, I tell all 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.120 of you go, if you fortunate enough to have somebody 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.680 give you a million, which is not a million, they're 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.000 probably gonna put five hundred thousand in your pocket. You 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:34.840 got to pay everybody that's in your business. And then 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.160 the other five hundred gonna go to making your project. 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.000 Figure out how to make that five hundred that's working 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.520 towards your project work for you. Get some producers, sign them, 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.119 get a studio, build it. That's what I tell everybody. 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.159 I'm like, yo, do not let like, like, the biggest 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.760 mistake I see artists doing is like getting into like 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.440 one of the like pair amount and they're in there 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.920 for twelve hours, and half of that time is fucking 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.679 off eating food, smoking, And it's like, yo, like you 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.919 could just you got that budget, take your money and 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.000 make your own spot. Whatever they're paying for, they're paying 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:09.320 for the brand. It's like it's like I buy, I like, 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.720 I buy. I'm not a big fan of like design 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.080 and shiit, but like every now and like, I like, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.840 I love Louis Waton trainers, right Joints, that virgies just 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:18.560 that I love it. It's like one of my favorite 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.560 sneakers right now. But I would never buy a pair 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.280 of Louis Vaitton socks. I don't never buy the socks 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.479 right because I feel like, man, socks ain't that important 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.680 for me to spend eight hundred dollars on right now, 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.600 Sneakers is all subjected I'm not a sneakerhead. I have 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.840 a love for sneakers, two different things different. I'm not 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.160 spending that on but it's people who will buy that 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:39.919 just so that can show them because they rep in 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.320 a brand. You care so much about the brand and 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.359 brand and brand and brand and brand as opposed to 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.440 getting the work done. And that's the difference in the studio. Shit, 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:48.840 you can you can record in the same mics as 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.760 the smaller studio as you can in a large studio. 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:52.320 Now the person Noel you can bring in, that's a 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.800 whole different conversation, right, And that's when you start working 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.440 with a major label or not, or you know what 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.480 I mean, a production company that comes in and grabs 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.439 a guy or not. Like you gotta you gotta do 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.520 what works best for you. Nobody deals is like social 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.400 Security numbers. Everybody got them. They all different. Yep, that's fair, man, 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.760 that's fair. So let's talk about for people who don't know. Obviously, 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.120 you came into well, you were working in the mail 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.679 room at at the Deaf Jam building originally, right, you 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.320 got fired, got fire, and then you ended up chasing 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.520 down Beanie's mom. You had her number, No, you had 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.800 her number. That's not how I got in though, but okay, 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.080 but you you would, Okay, So how'd you get into 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:32.640 to Rockefeller? The way I got in the Rockefeller was Onmia. 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.720 I always say this, and I never worked with her 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.240 per se, but omy Ellie McIntosh, she ran Jay Z's 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.720 fan club fan fan Her sister Darren McIntosh worked at Rockefeller. 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:44.600 They from Brooklyn. They all came up with Jay and 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.960 all of them. What I did was is like I 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.959 was the youngest person in the mill room. So I 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.800 was like, I think seventeen or eighteen at the time. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:53.639 I was seventeen going on eighteen when I got a 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.040 mill room. So the rest of the milling room is like, 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:57.440 we got a few rappers in there, you know what 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.960 I'm saying. We got to everybody's like twenty five and older. 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:01.960 But I'm the young guy. So when I come upstairs, 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.880 like I'm I'm I'm always I've always had a personality 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.520 to help, and it's been at it's been at my 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.160 my uh, at my advantage and of my detriot. Yeah 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.000 me too. But like so I'm the I'm the kid 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.160 who's like, I'm so inquisitive because I seen a movie 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.119 backstage and now like when I've seen Backstade, I'm seeing 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:20.760 I'm in the build, I see Tai walking in one 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.440 they I see Leney, I've seeing these people. Part of 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.520 that movie was shot in my hometown in Phoenix, and 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:25.960 I was at that show when I was like wow, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.400 So I was like I was at that con right, right, right, 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:29.800 So I went to see it with my friends in 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.720 the movies. But like I'm like, I'm asking everybody like 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.600 how can I like, how can I help? And AMI's like, yo, 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.639 you know, it's a fan club. So they shipping our 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.280 t shirts, they shipping out CDs whatever that people will 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:41.720 shout out to the days of fan clubs, to the 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.840 fan clubs, the real fan right, you know what I mean, 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.880 you re real dope ship. You know what I'm saying. 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:48.639 You got to write a letter to get in the 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.399 fan club. So I would help with shipping. So I 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.480 would help with shipping. Omie used to give me tickets 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.080 to go to like Jay concerts and shit like that. 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.840 And then I built the rapport with like I was 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.480 on the floors that I had was the Royalty Department 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:02.560 and murdered Ink was on that floor because there was 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.080 a Universal building. And then you had what was the 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.040 other floors. I had to bring a lot of in 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.840 the office because people wasn't using the email like that. 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.000 So it's in an office mail so it'd be like 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.360 only be like, yo, take the second floor. Yeah, take 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.480 this to my sister at Rockefeller right now. So I 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.239 go up the Rockefeller go up there. And I had 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.320 built a rapport with them to where I had after 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.920 I got fired from the mail room and I was 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:26.400 trying to figure out my next steps. I was working 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.719 at a little sneaker store on my hood and all 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.600 that shit, and I quit that after I try I'm like, yo, 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.320 I need to do this music shit. I just hit 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.359 people up, like yo, can I. I didn't know what 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.480 the internship was. Ro dropped out high school in ninth grade, 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.240 so I didn't know. I didn't know what career even meant. 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.000 So I was just like, yo, can I help. I 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.920 just helped, and I just sat around in the mill room. 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:42.600 He was like the intern without even knowing he was 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.800 the intern I was. I was just sitting in the office. 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:46.800 And then I was sitting in the office, just sitting 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.000 there doing whatever. Go get the food, Go get the sneakers, 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.160 go get whatever, and then I got an internship, and 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.360 then the internship ran a little bit. The beanie calling 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.560 his mom shit that happened within that, and then I 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.080 ended up getting assistant in office. I was working on 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.600 my man they face Gary Wow, who he just started 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:07.000 the podcast, but he was what a damon bigs homies 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.760 that he grew up with from down Sam Manhattan Ship. 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:14.280 The days of interning and like really like really just 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.040 like looking down and work, because that's how I got 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:18.000 into it. I worked for free for two years of 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.400 the radio station before I got like actually on the radio. 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.360 Oh yeah, absolutely, you gotta put your work in. But 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.400 that shit is gone. Man. You know these kids because 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.920 we're like entitlement generation is in full effect, no super entitlement. 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.280 And I mean everybody needs to get money or they 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.960 got to see immediate payoff or they're not. They're like yoah, 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:35.480 that shit is crazy. That's why I don't be like, 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.440 like my kids ship they get shipped. But then I'd 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.680 be like, man, I ain't giving y'all like that, gotta 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.760 work for that. Like this ship is an incentivized and 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:49.080 your allowance is an incentivized business. Allowance is a business. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.240 For me. What I'm saying like, my business manager has 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.400 to cut my kids allowance. So it's like, oh, you 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.800 you're not cleaning up. You're not cleaning up, you ain't 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.720 cleaning your room, or you didn't take out the garbage, 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.520 and now your allowance is not enough of you to 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.440 get them piers of sneakers. So now you want me 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:03.880 to go buy your pier sneakers. Now I ain't doing 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.000 that ship fun that fuck that you got work for 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:11.040 yours all day. Man. So once you got into the 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.280 A and R position, I know you said, you know, 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:15.840 I think state property. I always. I got to interview 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.320 being a couple of years ago, and that was like 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.320 a real highlight for me because he was kind of 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:20.880 exactly who I thought he was going to be. One 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:26.240 of did not disappoint. And then even like I just 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.200 had Young Chris on the show last My Dog. Yeah, 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.520 he came in freestyle called a body. He's you know, 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.040 he's one of the best that ever do that. Bro. 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.840 He came while while they came up to the station, Yeah, 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:37.680 Young Chris with him, and I was like, while, he's 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.000 my guy, but I was like, yo, fucking young Chris. 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.760 Low Key so influential is mixtape run so underrated, Like 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.000 those mixtapes that he put out, like kind of post 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.040 the Rockefeller Error were so underrated. That was that was. 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.400 That was me and him, man, because I was telling them, 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:54.800 I was telling them about you, brother. I was telling 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.280 them about the mixtape ship. Nobody listening. Fifty Cent came 0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.040 and did all the ship. Then I was telling him 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.200 about the internet shit I was on. I was on 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.320 all hip hop. I was on sohh. I was in 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.840 the forums, you know what I mean. I used to be. 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.760 I learned forum shit by forum days. I was on 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.720 the first while I learned forums before I got into 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.320 music was being on Nike Talk, Yeah, Nike to. I 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:14.840 used to be in there talking about sneakers and ship. 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.440 Do you remember the forum of Realist nwords dot com. Yeah, 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.760 oh my god. I got all my mixtapes and albums 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.000 off of there. That like when I started bootlegging mixtapes 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.960 and CDs when I was like sixteen at the swap meet, 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.040 I got everything off of there. Yeah yeah, yeah, bro. 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.520 The admin's name was Porky. He had all the ship. Yeah. 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.520 I know. I learned a lot of but that ship 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.680 was like I was always I was like the real 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.920 early hip hop Internet day, Okay, player chat rooms and 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.360 shit all that shit. Bro, man, Yo, they because they 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.440 had forums on Black Planet day like people would be 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:43.959 on social media, but they didn't know that they had 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:45.920 forums for shit. So you go on. I used to 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:47.720 be in the Yahoo when I'm fifteen. I was in 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.240 Yahoo those chat rooms. I was buying Jordan's online when 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.320 I was like fourteen years old. Bro, there was like 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:56.320 a whole chat room era of just like my childhood. 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.520 Like my older cousin was like nineteen and he was 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:03.440 getting pussy off of chat rooms. It got wow wow bro. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.280 And you can't even send pictures check to mill you 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:11.680 a picture? Yeah, that ship is crazy. Nah. But your 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.040 run with Rockefeller, you were kind of what year did 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.240 you officially start, Like, were you like actually started to 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.440 get a check from Rockefeller? What year was that? Two 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.400 thousand and two? Like the end of two thousand and two, 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.440 but I was there like two thousand, I think, like 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.320 around the end of two thousand and one. And also 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.000 I got a credit Shary Bryant, she's the president of 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.000 the Rock Nation right now. But me and Shary is 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:37.200 close to age, you know what I mean. She is 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.080 like a year or two younger than me, but not 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:45.400 at but but but Shary Bro Shary was she was 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.240 like an assistant to Carlen who was Dame j and 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.520 Biggs assistant and she was a kid and she was 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.880 running ship bro and like that was the person I called. 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.320 But Shary is from Harlem, so that was the person 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:57.960 I called. And Axek just come in to to the office 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.040 and help. And she gave me she opened up that 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.240 door for me. Wow. I mean she told me like, yeah, 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:04.560 come in. I pissed off mad times though because I 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.120 was doing it I was supposed to be doing but 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:08.080 it worked out in it. I feel like you were 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.560 kind of around the era of when like there was 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:17.480 probably some background issues maybe starting to fester because I 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.480 mean Fellers, But we didn't, Bro, We really found that 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.040 shit out like in the media. We didn't. Like, we 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.440 didn't we had no idea. Like because I tell you 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.800 one thing, Bro, like one thing about Rockefeller. That shit 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.600 was like it really was like a family if you 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:32.560 was really because you had the people that worked there, 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.120 and then you had the people who was like not 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:36.560 too much like family, and you had the people that 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.960 was really like family. Family, Like we was really tight 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:43.880 knit and like I would be around Dame and Beans 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640 because we had were doing when we shooting Stay Property too. 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:48.560 I'm with Beans every single day, you know what I mean, 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.120 because I ended up becoming from being an an R 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.480 being like his personal assistant slash and R. So I'm 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.960 around him all day and Dame is there and Bigs 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.040 and we laughing, joking, and then later on that night, 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:00.920 I might have got to go Toline and I see 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.120 Jay and bleaking them and it's the same type of love. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.440 And I'm a kid, so I'm green. I'm just like 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.880 I'm in heaven, bro, Like these are dudes that I 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.000 watched growing up and now I'm working with them. So 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.120 it's like you never think it's gonna end, you know 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.360 what I mean. So did you see that obviously? I 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.800 mean the Drink Champs interview with Cam was pretty legendary 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.680 to Yeah, Cam, that's another Cam was a person that 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.800 gave me an opportunity to bro. Oh really, yeah, I 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.759 don't think I was, but Cam, like one day I 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.920 was in the office and Cam he walked in the 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:29.879 office and like him and Jim walked in the office 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:31.279 at the same time, and they look like they just 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.719 arguing and some shit. Yeah, and then he was like. 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.560 He was like, yo, shorty, can't turn to me. He's like, yo, shorty, 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.800 how much money you make at Rockefeller a week? I 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.120 said two hundred dollars. He's like, come to diplomats like 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.440 you four hundred. I was like all right, like immedia. 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.040 I was like, all right, bro. So I get back 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.120 to my block that night, I'm telling everybody, yo, this 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.120 one come home with me is out and I'm from Harlem. Yeah. 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.799 So I got this tattoo on my hand because Kim 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.760 had diplomat on his hand, just keeping it full disclosed, 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:56.840 you know what I mean. Like I was influenced by 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.960 these court So I get to the hood and I'm 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.440 telling everybody old Ca and gave me his number that 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.960 I'm calling him a hundred times and he ain't answered. 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:05.920 But what had got me this ship with Cam was 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.560 my mom was a job developer. So she worked at 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:12.120 this company in the hood that like helped people in 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.239 the hood get skills to go on job interviews. So 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.120 you you come into this program, you don't know how 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:19.680 to talk, you know, know, how I look a person 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.239 in their eyes, shake their hand. They teach you all 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:25.359 of that. They teaching you like skills like word word, uh, 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:27.359 whatever that ship is. I don't even know Microsoft word 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.839 all that ship. And this dude that he had helped 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.799 with he had came home from from jail, was like 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.680 an older dude from Cam Block, so he would always 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.640 he knew me because I used to come come after, 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.520 you know, after school, go see my mom, get some 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:41.759 money for lunch, shit like that. And one day he 0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.879 asked me, like what I'm doing and I told him 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.719 and he's like, Kim told you, how are you. I'm 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.440 like yeah. He called Caim and he called and Kim 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.880 answered because I was calling him a hundred times, and 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.960 he called Kim and Kim answered, and he was like, Yo, 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.360 you know that kid that you met up at Rockefeller's 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:58.960 name ain't no. I had braids at the time he 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:00.759 got the Brais's like yeah, yeah, He's like yo, he 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:02.560 like look out for him. His mom looked out for me. 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.560 He was like I got you, I got you. And 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.520 that's how like Caim he ended up calling me. I 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.200 was working for diplomats for like two months wow, and 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.759 went back to Rockefeller. It was like I was doing well. 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.360 He had told like Cam had told the story in 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.839 the drink Champs that there might have been some sort 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.120 of animosity between him and Beanie. It was like, bro, 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.360 is that something you being so close to being? Like, 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.200 was that something that was real? Hell yeah, bro, they was, Yo, 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.680 let me tell you something all right. Look, so you 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.560 see how like right now, like Drake is the best, 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:33.840 like he great at subs, like he great at like 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.360 underlying ship. Yeah he might him and Hope might be 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.960 the two best. Yes, like you got to study that, bro, 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.680 Jay was the best. It's ship that I could tell 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:44.719 you that Jay talking about people that you would never 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.560 know because he used to tell like Chris Young. Chris 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.400 was really close to Ja, so he would hear some 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.760 people might say Jay got some flow, but listen, everybody 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:56.879 get me of course, of course, of course, but look 0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:59.759 he would Chris would be like yo, like we'd being 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.600 in the in the room and J player ship and 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.200 then he'd go tell Chris some and chrisy be like, yo, 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.080 Jay said that line is about such and such a 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.480 So they was always throwing shots and ship, you know 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.719 what I mean, like little subtle shit. But yeah, it 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.319 ended up coming to a head, bro, because like, like no, 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.080 they didn't really know that like a lot of people 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.000 at Rockefeller didn't know. Jay didn't know I was from 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.000 Harlem until I got the tached on my hand because 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.160 I used to be a christ of them all the time. 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:24.600 He's like, I thought you was from Philly. So my 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.200 nickname was Hall in Philly. Yeah, they used to call 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:28.480 they didn't give me that nickname. It was Hall in 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:29.879 Philly because I used to be with the Philly dudes 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.680 all the time. But like it got a little when 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.319 he was Cam's right when it when it came to 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.799 that that executive position. Yeah, Beans wasn't jagging a ship. 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.480 I mean it was, but yeah, because it seemed as 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.799 if nobody, like like Cam be in the getting that 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:48.920 position at Rockefeller kind of hit everybody out of it. 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.560 I mean it would, yeah, it definitely would. Like you think, 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.840 all right, Bean's been here since ninety eight. Yeah, bleak 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.759 been there since before they had the logo. You know 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.120 what I'm saying. And here cut Kim. He been here 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.319 for two years. But Camp, I ain't gonna lie, and 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.920 Cam turned that ship up. Cam took full advantage of 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.400 his opportunity, you know what I mean. He took that 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.480 shit he was saying about how they made the office. 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.320 He made his own office, Like even even down to 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.040 coming in the office and ask me how much I 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.719 may get paid and he's like, I give you four 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.719 hundred dollars. And then I was in his I would 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.239 come to his crib. He had a crib in Jersey. 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:22.880 I was gonna go to like this condo he had 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.000 in Jersey and just burn CDs all day. Wow, you 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.960 know I mean mixtape, Yeah, the Diplomat mixtapes. I was burnt. 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.000 If you had a Diplomat mix tape, I probably burned 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.200 at least five thousand. You have the Tower, Yeah, the Tower, Yeah, Duke. 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.080 The guy had all them shits, like five of them 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.560 ships and they burning five at a time. And I'm 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.480 just but they got boring for me. I wanted to 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:40.880 be in the studio. So that's why I kind of 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.560 gave up on that ship. But you know, yeah, like 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.600 Cam turn that shit up for two years, and now 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:47.920 that makes sense. Somebody come. They put the work in 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.760 on the executive side where you break. Cam put Joel's 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.279 on his first single, his first two singles like if 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.200 you Wasn't from Harlem, listening to the DJ clue in 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.120 case Lay and Fucking who Else. Around that time, I 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.440 can't remember with DJ Envy, you didn't know who Jewell's 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:01.759 was like that, you know what I mean. But he 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.640 put him because Juel's Jewels was known for rapping in 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.120 the hood, you know what I mean. But he put 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.680 duels on on and broke him as an artist before 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.240 he had his first single. So he's doing the executive 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.360 side of things. So yeah, he deserved that position. But 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.400 that's a hard phillis well when you're Beans and yeah, 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.600 yeah you said that you were roommates when you live 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.279 with Beanie when he was on house arrest, and I 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.239 always have the shots and I got DJ Damagees from Philly. 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.640 We'll always butt heads on the Greatest of All Time 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.640 talks and he'll always put Beanie like in his top 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.680 ten and I'm like, bro, You're from Philly, so I 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:40.480 respect it and listen and listen like Beanie's got classics, 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.840 and I think he's historically underrated. In that conversation, absolutely, 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.440 Derek Angeletti said the really ship about Beans one time. 0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.880 He's like, yo, he like a real life dinosaur. He 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.759 like you know how like you hear about it like 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.520 you hear his stories about the dinosaur. But if that 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.359 ship if a Raptor walked in his room right now, 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.000 everybody be like, oh shit, that's that's it. He's like 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:58.920 that's who he is. He like he a really like 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.120 not that and so you know how the Balancer of 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:02.680 he was like he old and not nothing like that. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.120 He just was like it's like a myth until you 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.800 meet him. And I bro the what's that the Public 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.560 Enemy mixtape? I remember that Green Lantern was the DJ, 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.080 right yeah, I got yeah, I did that mixtape. I 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:18.160 learned I saw I saw that mixtape with the Swami. 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.919 I learned how to how I got my name bout 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.120 leg and everybody. We was in a crib. That's we 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.400 was in a crib and we was like I had 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.279 learned how to record, right like I learned pro tow. 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.680 Its just the basics of it. And he had this 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.440 freestyle of a Public Enemy beat. And then I was 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.120 just sitting in the crib one day and I was like, Yo, 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.200 you should call your ship like public Enemy. I said, 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.920 we should make like the It was a picture that 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.000 he we did for like a state property photo shoot, 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.960 and it was like it almost mimicked like the what 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:47.960 was that the Public Enemy logo? I was like, we 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:49.759 should make it like the logo, but just have you 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:51.600 in the joint. And he was like, all right, we're 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:53.359 gonna do it. And then the reason why we did 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.000 the ship with green Land is because we was listening 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.600 to champions Hit every day Green Lanterns mixtape, but him 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.719 and him and Kiss had in rec side. But Bro, 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.120 we was listening Beans. We just listening that shit every day. 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.680 Beings like, yah, I gotta, I gotta, I'll do kiss 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.040 Bro Like He's like, Yo, this kisshit is crazy. We gotta. 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.480 So we did. We did that, and I an artist, 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.080 you know I have a great make me and the crib. 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.480 You me and him in the crib? Bro? What because 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.880 that was uh, you know, I don't know what it 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.520 what it was about Beans? You know, I know he 0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.239 had some issues with his voice later on, but like 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.840 you know, he had his legal problems, but it seems 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.680 like shit just kind of hit a wall for Beanie. 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.640 What do you think happened to like his career. I 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.279 think that the Rockefeller split up. I think well, I'll 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:41.760 say I'll say honestly, Bro, and Beans like he'll respect 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:43.520 this because like I love him, bro, like I'm Muslim. 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.160 I took my ship hot to his living room, Like 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:46.920 that's how close we are. We might not see each 0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.439 other the time, but that's my brother life. I say, 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:53.239 from my perspective is that he never really took the 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.959 time to learn the business. Now, he was a great 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.040 asset to the business, but as far as like, I 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.399 always had this thing in my mind where I felt 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.879 like when Jay said he got rid of was gonna 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.719 get rid of Rockefeller, he would have gave all the 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.480 Philly he loved him bro Like, I seen Jay show 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.240 more favoritism to the Philly dudes than the Brooklyn dudes sometimes, 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.440 you know what I mean, through like bleak Lives, I 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.360 have felt that way. Though from a fan's perspective, I 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.160 think Jay was just he really loved like the grittiness 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.239 of their rap style and how real it was and 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.799 their perspective. But think about it, everyone, I mean, young 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.120 young guns dropped out, Freeway dropped out, like you know, 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.719 I think I just think that beans and then not. 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.360 I don't want to just say he didn't learn it. 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.959 I felt like, you know, he didn't have I can't 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:35.799 say he didn't have the right personnel because it's people 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.799 that I know that was around him. But again, I 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.520 was a kid at that time. I can't speak for 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.520 how they was handling business because I just when I 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.080 wasn't supposed to be in the room, I walk out. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.239 Still to this day, Bro, if I if I came 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:48.880 into your studio and you was having a conversation, I 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:50.719 don't even walk in the room. I know, like if 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:52.880 you tell, if you give me the if I if 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.520 it's permissible for me to be there, I'll be there. 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.239 But I stayed at my place. So a lot of 0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.319 shit that was going on. When certain conversations be had, 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.239 I walk out because it ain't my place to be 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.880 in there. So I yeah, I think with beans, at 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.480 least from a fan's perspective perspective, it just kind of 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.040 felt like he didn't leave the streets all the way alone. 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.719 And that's another to his detriment. Possibly this is why 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:19.480 I be saying about the streets. Man, it's like we 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.160 you love the streets when you've growing up, well when 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.880 you when you're young, and like if you live in 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.239 that life, but when you get older. But I guarantee 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.200 everybody and I got you. I got homies that like 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.279 did fifteen years in prison, biggest gangster in the jail, 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.040 biggest gangster in the street and they like, man, I'm 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.239 not doing no like I made a mistake. What I mean, 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.759 I can't change it. But that shit is a mistake, Bro, 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.840 and I and the marketing aspect of music that involves 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.399 the streets is it looks it looks cool, it looks 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.920 cool to you facing and and also it helps sell records. 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.279 It does, but it does. But I don't know, Man, 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.080 that shit is. Music is a hard thing for me 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.400 to deal with sometimes cause I be feeling like sometimes 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.120 that I'm I'm a part of the shit that I 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.839 don't agree with a lot. Because as much as I'm 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.040 saying all of this like righteous sound and shit, I 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.160 still love songs about people killing people, of course, you 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.520 know what I mean. Like, I just I don't know. 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.759 It's like, you know when people say, oh you, what's 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:24.080 the word contradicting? Being contradicted and being a hypocrite, hypocritical shit, 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.520 being a hypocrite. I feel like that's almost a part 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.680 of being human, because like you feel different times, you 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.480 feel different ways of different times. You don't always Sometimes, Bro, 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:32.960 I wake up and I want the world to end, 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:34.759 and sometimes I want to save the world, you know 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.359 what I mean? But it's just how I deal with it, 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.600 especially being in the music industry. Like it said, you 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:42.120 could totally feel that, like man, like you know, I 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.440 don't like the way this shit is going, but still 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.920 enjoy a record that like the Pop Smoke shit bro 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.080 That shit made me not want to sign no gang 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.120 banger ever again. I never I mean I didn't sign 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.160 Pop Smoke, but the guys that he was signed to, 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.960 like Rico Beats, that's one of my closest in music, 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.880 like and beyond music. That's my man. Like he a producer, 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.480 but me and Rico we met at a time before 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.880 I even met East, and we was trying to like 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.719 we just befriended each other and we was trying to 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.879 figure out what I thing was gonna be. And then 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.880 I had got East. He still was producing, he had 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.839 got his job at Death Gym. We signed a few acts, 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.320 they didn't work. Shit was And then when he found Pop, 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.640 it felt like a win for me because seeing him 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.719 so happy and seeing him now he's buying jewelry every week. 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.959 It was such a celebration. And then like I only 0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.600 met Pop one time, but like I had a conversation 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.440 with him in a DM one time, and like just 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.480 seeing the trajectory he was on, and he saluted me 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.399 forgetting the job at Asylumn. He like, yo, big bro, 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:41.960 Like that's amazing because he told me he was to 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.080 watch every day struggle. He's like, that's dope. And it's 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.040 that third when that shit happened with him. I didn't 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.840 even know the kid personally, but that shit happened, I 0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.799 was like, all right, what are we doing with And 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.600 to be fair, he didn't even get killed over no 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.560 gang shit, no, but he got killed from that lifestyle lifestyle. 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.480 So it's just like, what the fuck are we What 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.120 are your yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts about? 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:04.160 You know? Because right now I just I just spent 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:05.920 the whole week out New York and I was shooting 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:10.000 with Dusty Locine, Ross Wish and Ron Suno. But the 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:14.319 whole Brooklyn gang ship is crazy, bro. I mean, I'll 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.520 tell you this. When it comes to gangs, Brooklyn always 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.440 been crazy because like when when Blood, like when Blood 0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:21.920 popped off in New York and Cribbman popped off in 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.400 New York, like first of all in New York. But 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.520 these guys are getting like like if you listen to 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:31.160 these records like between the the woo's and the and 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:32.759 all that shit. I don't know. So look, I'm just 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.879 speaking like from when I was when I was a teenager, bro, 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.520 Like if you was a crip in New York, it 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.279 was tough because New York is a blood like you know, Yeah, 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:41.799 I always think of New York as like wrong. I 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.880 just think of Jim Jones like l A. L A 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.000 is a cryp for sure, city New York. But the 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.400 thing about the ship in New York is in prison, 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.600 bloods run everything. Crips ain't the same with the crip. 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.560 So the thing is is like for me on the 0:46:55.600 --> 0:47:00.640 outside looking in, I see what I seen in the 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.360 nineties now, like in the nineties when game ship popped 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:04.879 off in New York because it was coming from out 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.880 of jails. Bloods came from out of jail. When it 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.080 came to the streets, it was bad because the people 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.920 was adapting a jail mentality before going to jail, so 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.719 and and how they acted militant all that shit. And 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.040 then like seeing these kids now, I just be like, yo, bro, 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.360 even when I think about these like when when I 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.560 be talking to dudes from from La Yeah, and like 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.160 some of them like they they gangsters respect gangsters around glow, 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.360 but like they a lot of them that don't jack, 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.520 like you know, bloods or crips over there. I'd be like, Yo, 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:38.759 that's y'all fault. Like that's your kids, bro, Like that's 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.120 that's offspring of you. So it's like seeing this ship, bro, 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:44.960 it just a lot of it rubs me the wrong way. 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.840 In Brooklyn, you got little kids getting hit with strays 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.839 and ship. That shit just happened while we were out there. 0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:54.680 We were just in uh where where did it happen at? No, No, 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.040 I was in Brooklyn. There was some some some kid 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:58.839 got hit. There was a shootout and some I think 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:03.040 little girl in the chest, yeah right, little boys something Yeah, 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.160 right outside of a liquor store. Oh no, bro. But 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.279 that's the thing. It's like I don't know because you know, 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.759 I don't. I don't sit on like I'm born in 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.480 eighty two. My generation be acting like we sit on 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.280 this this pedestal where we had everything right when we didn't. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.640 You know, of course there was just not social media. 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:20.799 It was not social media. But it's like even the 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.600 rationalization of like why things were done, it's still don't 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.480 make no sense. But it's like now, it's like it's 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.759 even I think it's even worse now because it's like 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:34.280 the name recognition amongst your peers. I got a fourteen 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:35.520 I got a ninety year old daughter. I got a 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.720 fourteen year old son. So it's like I be telling 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.080 my son all the time, bro, like like our a 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.000 friend that went to jail for attempting murder and he 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.160 just was telling me, he like, owayne, I belonged to 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:45.960 myself for the first time. He just got off of 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.799 papers and he like, I just I belong to myself 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.000 for the first three years. How crazy is that? And 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:52.880 I'm telling my son, I'm like, Yo, do you hear it? 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:54.960 I say, Bro, I tell my son, like, yo, he 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.600 shot somebody when he was eighteen and he's just forty 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.799 and he's now finally free of the system. He's forty. Bro. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.120 I'm like, you don't, that's not a path you see 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.160 because his friend, Yo, Bro, my son certain kids that 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.759 was on his basketball au team. I didn't see any 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.759 instagrams they be carrying him as this shit. I'm be like, 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.239 this is crazy fuck And I don't even know why, 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.520 but I know that a lot It plays into the 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.440 music and the lifestyle. And it's a lot of misinformation 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.160 that that spread. I mean, it's a lot of misinformation. 0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:22.840 I just be trying to do my part because I 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.920 feel like you change the world by changing one person's perspective. 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:27.920 Is that something that you still kind of carry with 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:29.360 you as far as like the type of artists you 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.600 look to look to sign because you said, like after 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.120 Pop had died, you kind of were like, I don't 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.759 want to but I love authenticity. You also want to 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:38.640 do your job. I want to do my job, but 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:40.840 that's the tough thing about being in the music. You 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:44.120 gotta do it all. Yeah, you got it. Like now. 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:48.200 At the same time, like from a business standpoint, the 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.640 problem with businessman. Business ain't got nothing to do with 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.520 feelings or morals. There's nothing to do with morals, has 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.879 nothing to do with feelings because the same like, that's 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.000 why people that be vegan be tweaking out about chickens, 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.040 you feel me like, because they feelings and their morals 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.759 is in it when they're talking about life. Some people 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.640 don't think like that, but I feel like rap is 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.839 almost like a fucking slaughter house. Yeah, it's crazy, it is, 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.560 bro it is because it's like I'll just be on 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.080 some ship like this, Like I'll be trying to tell 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:17.640 every young artist that I know be in the street. 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:19.200 I'll be like, yo, listen, bro, Like you don't want 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.720 to go down that path. Bro. Like even with beans 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:26.120 when he got the shot that he took that he 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:29.120 lost his voice, it wasn't even intended for him. Were 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:30.960 you around at that time? I wasn't around him at 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.600 that time. I mean we always, I always, I always 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:35.399 speak to him. I speak to him once a year 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.800 at least, But like, I wasn't around him at that time. 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.319 I'm also like younger than him, so like I mean 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:43.480 he did. I didn't really have too much influence on 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:45.279 telling him what to do, of course, But at the 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.880 same time, it's like that wasn't even intended for him. 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.680 But you see how shit happens just being around that ship. 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:52.600 You never know. You can wake up to you can 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:54.200 wake up today and it could be you gotta you 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.719 gotta watch, you gotta watch the You gotta watch what 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:58.719 you put out in his world. Bro, you gotta watch 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:00.400 what you put out in his world. That's a fact. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.239 Were you around during the Kiss Beanie ship? Yeah, you 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.919 know the craziest shit is I always, I mean, listen, 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:09.840 oh wow, I always. I've talked to Kiss about it. 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.399 I've talked to Beanie about it, and I always say 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:16.040 that that's probably the closest back and forth because I 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.320 depending on where someone's from or who you ask or 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.040 who they're I thought both of them one. I thought 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:23.680 that we was going to die or we was gonna 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:25.480 kill one of them. I switched because at the end, 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.800 because because at that time, nobody was realer than Beanie Siegull. 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:32.240 Let me on the Locks and Yonkers. Beans. I love Beans. 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:35.920 Beans had us train us the Young Guns like I was. 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:37.839 You could basically say the Young Guns was a gang 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.319 within state property bro because they was from their own 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:43.120 part of town in Philly. They had us train Bro 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.120 like like Beans had us trained and I. I used 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.279 to really sit here, like, oh, Jade, Kiss is one 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.959 of my favorite reps, Like the Locks broke. I don't 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:54.520 know the man I would be without the Locks. Real 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.440 ship I'm talking about we all the streets is like 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:58.839 the words is in my DNA and who I am 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.320 as a person, So like I used to be sitting 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:02.560 here like we had a we had a we had 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.400 a situation one time with them though happened. We was 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:10.279 in you remember Sonny, she used to be on ninety seven. 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.520 She's Sunday like h G TV show food and all that. 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:18.239 But Sonny had a birthday party in Brooklyn and and 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.920 she had this birthday party in Brooklyn and Jada was 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.080 hosting it. But she wanted the young guys at the time, 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.400 we had can Start, Won't Stop, so we they was 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.480 hot that everybody was booking them, so she wanted to 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.239 do Can't Start, Won't Stop. So we we had a 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.080 show in v A, and they was like, by the 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:34.719 time we get there, maybe kissing them and be out 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:38.080 of there. So we get up to we get the VA. 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:42.440 I mean, we get to Brooklyn from va and some 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:45.240 Philly dudes came and all that ship or whatever and 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:53.560 pauls and uh that was crazy. But we get there 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.520 and kissing. Somebody from Sunny's team came to our car 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.840 and was like, hey, jad kiss is still here. Kuja 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.600 wait until he leaves to come in like and they 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:05.760 was like, yo, we don't want no problems. So Chris 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.640 was like yeah right, and then Chris sat there and 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.879 while we're sitting there, like all these cars pull up 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:14.240 and we see like jay Hood get out. Fucking Styles 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:16.480 was locked up at the time, but jay Hood was there, 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:21.000 a fucking chic and a bunch of dudes, right, So 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:23.919 Chris was like, fuck that, we're going in there, right. 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:29.800 So they they go into the they going to the club. 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.600 They're all walking out with kiss and uh Chris, Chris 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:36.520 and Eve manager was like, yo, don't say nothing, Like, 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:38.839 don't say nothing of them. Let them get ahead, yo. 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:40.799 They came outside and we on the line way to 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.000 get searched. I don't know who it was, but one 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.080 of them was like, man, fuck all that deep block nigga. 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.759 What your niggas will do? Right? So then we get 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.440 into this spat going back and forth and then like 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:52.520 Chris is standing there, he getting searched in the like 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.239 jay Hood, him, him and jay Hood is like saying 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:56.960 shit through each other and all that, like this ain't 0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:59.640 no social media. Nobody's seen this happen. We get in 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:03.080 the room, we get into the studio and were getting there. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.319 I don't know what to this dude from Philly who 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.080 he was. I seen him one time that day. I 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.440 never seen him again. It was all of us in 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:12.000 the room. He said. It was like fifteen of us 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:13.719 in the room. He said, yo, who and he ain't 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.839 bring a burner? Like four or five people raise their hand. 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.560 He said, I got burner for everybody who ain't bring one. 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.000 He bro, I swear, I thought we was gonna die 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:25.239 that night. Man. He like, Yo, when we come outside, 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:28.440 we're not letting nothing. We're going all the way right. 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.080 I'm like what, I'm like the fuck? I'm like, all right, 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.640 did he give you a burner? I'm not gonna say 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:36.720 if what he gave me or he didn't. Okay, okay, 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:42.319 But we walk outside. I think by that time they 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.719 had left, and then we go to baseline. We had fun. 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.359 That was it. But like, damn, bro, I thought like 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.919 we had a couple. Yeah, we had a couple, like little. 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.080 The crazy thing about that is like I didn't know. 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:54.879 I didn't know Jada kiss at the time. Jada kiss 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.319 my man. I love kiss his son j One, that's 0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:58.839 my man. I love him, chic all of them bro 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:04.919 like Styles. Ironically, when Styles and Styles came home, who 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.120 called my phone? I think Green Lantin called my phone 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.680 and Styles on the phone. He's like, y'all got Styles 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.400 be on the phone, and he like he won't to 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.319 talk to Mac, and I put them on the phone. 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:17.839 They spoke on my phone, you know what I mean. 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:21.200 And then from there, years later, me and Styles we 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:23.960 built our brotherhood. I love Styles, I love his wife, 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.000 his son. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:28.279 just crazy how life works out. But yeah, it's a 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:30.160 few times, bro. But I always think back to that 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:33.680 time that Jada went to the power show in Philly, 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.239 like the big Summer Jam or whatever. Yeah, yeah, we 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.960 did that. We did that before Jay and I's did 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.680 they ship Nobody the same thing at ninety seven Summer 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.480 Jam in New York. We did it at Powerhouse. Okay, 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:49.319 so the thing was we did kiss, was doing Powerhouse 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:53.080 in Philly. In Philly, Yeah, nobody knew Beans was dead. 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:55.759 Beans put on a Halloween mass and he walked out 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:57.960 on the stage and when he was just at the 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:01.520 same show, not not the one you talking about when 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.239 he dissed them. This is years later. That happened in 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:08.399 like two. This happened in like five, when five, when 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.960 Beans came home, we do Powerhouse and Kiss. This is 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.200 what I'm saying. People be thinking that Jay took everything 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.200 from them, But like Jay did, I declare war. After 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.040 that when he brought out nas So when Beans, it 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:24.160 was on Halloween, we came out Beans. He opened up 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:25.960 his jacket and everybody's in the aspe chain and he 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.440 took the mask off and then they did reservoir dogs. 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:31.400 That's the first time that they had done something together. 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:33.920 This is before Jay and Nis reconciled they ship. So 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.960 that was when they reconciled their ship. That's when they 0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:38.840 reconciled they ship. But they had talked prior they reconciled 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:42.680 their ship. When when when Beans had came home, do 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:46.960 you remember, like uh man, just that back and forth 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.399 just bars wise was so crazy, like two freestyles were 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.520 so crazy, Like no, but you don't remember all the 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.239 ones in between. Nah, I just remember the two big 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.400 ones because I mean, as I was on Naster download 0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.319 D when he said when Beans is like he's said, 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.960 this cat still live in his mother house and my 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.120 basement bigger than his mother house. And I ain't talking 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.239 about my mother house on my brother house. I'm talking 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:14.839 about the other house. You ain't never hear that, nah, bro. Now, 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:18.040 they was going crazy. They was going my favorite this 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.560 and all of that was styles on Wait a minute, yeah, 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:25.560 I feel like like at that time, unless MP had 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.680 gotten into a bee for somebody, it was like probably 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.560 the too craziest like people you would think were someone 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:33.480 someone's gonna die. Yeah, I know, I really, Bro, I was. 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:37.600 It's like it's like it's like being on a battlefield 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:38.960 almost like I don't know what it is to be 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.600 on a battlefield in war, but I know, Bro, Like 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:45.080 we came into a lot of clothes, Like I love 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.200 state property all y'all because y'all put my life in 0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:50.160 danger mad times. I love all of them though, but Bro, 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:54.080 working with them was dangerous. Bro, what was the original 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.640 like origin of their issue? Who stay property of? Yeah? 0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:00.880 Of kissing Beanie? I don't know. I don't fucking know. 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:03.800 I have no idea, Bro, I have no idea. I 0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:07.600 just knew that whatever whatever when I worked at when 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:09.240 I worked with beans in them, whatever they was with, 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.720 you better be with that. Whatever he on, you better 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.280 be on that too. You ain't you can't be around 0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.360 us if you ain't so crazy too, because talking to 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.760 damn it, she was always like, dude, everyone's favorite rapper 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:19.720 that is not being Seagull from Philly and that era 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.560 was the kiss Absolutely he was like he was like 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:27.720 the biggest dude in Philly, like people love kiss is 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.200 like fucking. I would not call him a guy. I 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.320 don't use that term with people with men. But like 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:37.240 he was, like yeah, Bro, he was. I would just 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.440 say everybody that come from that error, Bro, Jada kissed 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:40.760 me is a lot to us if you was born 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.480 in the eighties and you grew up in the nineties. Bro. 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.080 The whole locks though, Bro, like the Locks man, Like, 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.800 like my tattoo on my neck, it stands for respect 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:51.760 over money. Style said that shit in a freestyle. That's 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.120 why I tattooed that shit on my neck. I live 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:55.880 by their words, bro, because you know it was the 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.880 Locks for me was this It's like I'm coming outside, 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.440 I don't have the relate ship with my father that 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:05.880 I should have, and I'm going to school and coming 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.080 home and trying to navigate life as a teenager in 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:10.600 the nineties when the streets is crazy. I listened to 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.560 the Locks all day. They teaching me about honoring cold 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:16.080 and all that shit. Aside from what I'm learning with 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.480 my homies, you know what I'm saying, Like they taught 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.560 me honoring Cold like their music, so they mean everything 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:26.439 to us, Like, however, Houston people feel for fucking one 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.240 being PIMPSI for U GK. Yeah, that's how New York 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:30.640 if you was born at that time, that's how we 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:34.840 feel about the Locks. Locks is an so that's the 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.720 highest And I love Wutin Clan to death, but they're 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.479 not the same for me as the Locks. And yeah, 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.240 I love the Loes. Yeah, the Locks definitely had more 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:48.080 I feel like practical life lessons absolutely bro absolutely in 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:51.040 their music. We were talking earlier. We were talking about 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.200 our love for Loupe. I was talking about like my 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:56.640 favorite rappers, which is different than the greatest Rappers list. Yeah, 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:58.920 and my favorite rapper list always pisses people off. But 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:00.920 you were like, yo, I had Loupe in my top 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:02.680 five for a minutes at some point in time, Like 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:05.320 who else is in your top five? It always changes, 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.000 Like right now, who's your top five favorite rappers? Right 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:10.959 all time favorite? Right now? This is it, right now, 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.320 the best, right now, just right now, like that you 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:16.560 actually fuck with, not not like that I actually fun 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.800 with all right, So look I'll be taking like I 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:23.600 ain't on front, bro. I never met Drinke and we 1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:25.080 we ain't the best of friends. Drake that might not 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:28.680 like me too much, but whatever, Drake the best. He 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:37.320 the best right now, Rapper, that's fair? After that ship, Rapper, 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.280 I gotta put I put a little baby in there. 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:47.480 Gotta give a little baby in there. And this is 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.360 the first time I've ever done like a current drink 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.080 because my top five is always my top five all 1:00:51.080 --> 1:00:57.480 the time. But I put like, hmmm, rapper. See, I 1:00:57.480 --> 1:00:58.840 don't know where to put him at, but I gotta 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:01.720 put Conway in there. Conway is my favorite guy in Grisella, 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:03.760 and I love all three, yeah, but not Conway. There's 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:06.960 something about Knyway's ability to convey pain on songs that like, 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:10.840 it's Conway. You know what I love about Conway? Conway 1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:14.800 he knows how to flow, he knows how to like, 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.760 he got punch lines, he gott he got got it all, man, 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:19.520 he got it all. But Benny. But I feel like 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.680 right there, it's certain versus that Benny got thats just 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:27.000 like guys don't bleed. That's that verse on that Benny 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:31.560 is is like god level MC as well. They're both Jedi. Yeah, 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:33.720 they're both Jedi. See, I don't so I don't have 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.200 like like what I'm saying like, I don't have a 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:38.760 ranking of like rappers right now because it's like, all right, 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:40.320 what about the all time list? Do you say that 1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:43.680 that's pro consistent? Yeah? This is your favorite? Yeah, not 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:54.400 like Jay all the time. Biggie uh J biggie nas 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:59.960 Wayne and Kendrick, thank you, thank you for the Kendrick love. 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:02.760 But I ain't gonna lie. I'm I'm I'm boycott and 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.360 Kendrick because he hasn't put out. Let me tell you 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:07.880 something you can't You can't imagine that aunt of fun 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:10.200 would I do with academics, bro? That amount of arguments 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:13.320 I have people Kendrick. I have screaming matches about Kendrick 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:16.600 Lamar and Lebron James all the time. But Kendrick, but like, 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:19.840 I just love especially you being in New York. I 1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:22.040 bet you got heads with hell people about Kendrick. I 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.440 feel like, not really, just because the thing about New 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.959 York is, see you got Wayne over Kendrick Hell. Yeah? 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:34.760 Really yeah, bro, Wayne, Yo, this is the thing, man, 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:37.440 It's like, and I'm my thing is Kendrick's never missed. 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:43.800 Wayne's missed a lot. Missing is all subjective, right, not really? 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:47.600 But Wayne's got some black eyes on this. He does, 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:50.120 but he's got classes, but so do Tupac. I got 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:52.720 a lot of a lot of misses. Yeah, yeah, there's 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:54.920 a lot, which is why, which is why Tupac's not 1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:57.960 in my top he's in my top tennis. But but 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:01.040 like I got, I to put Wayne in Tupac in 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:05.400 the same tier, nahn. Wayne is a better, way better 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:08.600 rapper than Tupac. He's a way better rapper. I don't. 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:10.520 It's people that's probably sent me death threats for that. 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:13.280 I don't give a fuck. Yo, listen, I've someone threat 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:16.320 I said Tupac was overrated as an MC. I didn't 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:18.720 say his music was overrated. I'm a huge POC fan, 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.760 huge had posters of them on my walls. Did but 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:24.920 I said that ship. I forget what interview was. And 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:28.120 motherfuckers was dming my wife threatening to kill her dog. 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.919 She had to make her page private. So so so look, 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.200 so people don't play about Tupac. Now, people don't play 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:35.160 about Tupac. But I love Tupac too. But at the 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.920 same time, it's like I stack people getting their feelings 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:42.360 about Pac in their fit. It's two people, Pac and Kobe. 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:44.920 You can't say nothing about because people I love Kobe's 1:03:44.920 --> 1:03:46.840 one of my favorite I love Kobe too. But I'm 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.040 just saying, like, you know, Kobe fans don't people I 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.800 don't know they not because I'm one of them people people, 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:55.320 I'm one of them. I'm definitely not problem. I'm definitely 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:58.280 I'm definitely one of them people that was buying Kobe's 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:00.120 when they was on sale and nobody was wearing for 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:02.480 nobody was wearing them. Yeah I was. I actually got 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:04.360 a pair of elite Kobe's like that because the dude 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:06.440 that a house of who was like, Yo, you're the 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.400 only person I ever seen body shits and wearing you 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:09.960 can get him? And it was only like ten peers. 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:13.200 But yeah, the Tupac Tupac fans are very emotional. They are, 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:17.440 but like I feel like, but Pak is a great artist. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:22.480 But see all time. It's hard to do all time 1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:24.240 because I gotta put Kanye. I don't know if he 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:28.440 ain't Kanye is, But Kanye is in a class of 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:30.960 Michael Jackson. I don't think that Tupac's in the class Mark. 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:32.720 I think Kanye is in classic Let me ask you 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:35.120 if you agree this. I think Kanye has the best 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:40.520 discography in hip hop history? Fuck, who's got a better 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:44.840 disco history? Yes? Who's got a better discography? I think 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:46.960 the only miss was Jesus Is King, And I mean yeah, 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:51.000 he had some Jesus trash as juice for sure that 1:04:51.040 --> 1:04:52.520 he could have went. He could have went like O 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:56.040 D Traps, like trapped soul meets gospel, and it would 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:57.600 have been hard. I ran through that album once and 1:04:57.640 --> 1:05:01.120 never touched it again. Kanye fan, how you mess up 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:03.080 with clips on? We ain't gonna go there, all right? 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:05.320 So look so yeah, I ain't gonna front. He might 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.360 got it? Bro? Who else got I mean? I think 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:12.160 I think close. I think the closest is Kendrick because 1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:16.560 Kendrick has no but Kendrick don't have the amount. Bro. Listen, 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:20.160 Kendrick don't have the amount. Take Out Classics, take away Classics, 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:25.840 and ghost Faces up there too. Take Out Classics, take 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:29.120 out the classic word. Games got a nice discography. Game 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:31.240 is one of the best rappers ever. If I wanted 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:32.920 somebody to rap for twenty four hours straight because I 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:34.600 was trying to win a prize, I'll go the game. 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:38.480 Game rapper all day about anything but a right. I 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.920 love it, bro and I can't run away from it. Bro, 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.880 gott stop playing with Drake. Bro see nah, Bro, I'm 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:50.240 gonna keep it. Listen, And it's hard for me. It 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:53.800 took me a long time because it's hard to listen. 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:57.000 It's hard to put As a jay Z fan, it's 1:05:57.040 --> 1:06:00.560 hard to put anybody on the same level as Drake's 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:04.880 up there. I equate Drake to the jay Z shit 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:07.920 like this, Mike, to me, Michael Joan the greatest player 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:13.480 person ever touches basketball, right, But Steph Stephen Stephen Curry 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:16.880 is the greatest person to ever shoot a basketball. Right. 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:20.800 That's how I equate the Drake whole ship, because it's 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.959 like and not that I'm Drake's the greatest hit maker ever, 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.000 but this is what I'm saying. But but, but at 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:28.120 the same time, I don't think anyone can perform more 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:29.920 hits in a row than Drake. You know, it's the 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.160 realist ship. You haven't been with a joke show. Of course, 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:33.880 I only been the one, And I'm kind of a 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:37.160 Drake hater low key like historically, I've never been a hater. 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:39.240 I may not agree with his actions, I'll say that 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:41.160 I don't hate him. I wouldn't say a hater, but 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.640 I have of him as an artist. I don't know him. 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.400 I just don't. But Bro, I went to the Summer 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:48.320 sixteen ship. I went to the Summer sixteen ship with 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:50.760 him and him the future yep, I remember that Bro 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:54.640 in Madison Square guard like floating, Yeah, because that wasn't 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:59.680 the Ferrari, it was m Bro. I was dead. I 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.120 was in in the Rise of right. Everybody's and everybody 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:03.920 industry is in the Riser. I was standing next to 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:08.360 Charlomagne and me, and Charlomagne was like, damn right. Then 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:09.720 he did this ship like you know you've been you 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:11.080 know how Jay used to do this shit where he 1:07:11.120 --> 1:07:12.600 used to be like he plays songs and cut him off, 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:15.040 play songs, cut them off. Bro. So I was waiting 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:16.640 for Drake to do worst Behavior. I'm like, well, now, 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:18.360 oh you remember he did that during that show where 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:20.560 he's like it was like I couldn't believe it. No, 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:22.120 I couldn't believe it. I s would have got you know, 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:25.480 he did, And that was I was waiting for worst behavior. Yo. 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:28.120 He put on worst Behavior, and I'm and the great 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:30.840 thing about being in the rises you can see everything right. 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:33.800 And I was looking he played that ship for fifteen second. 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:35.400 He's like, not fucking turn that shit off. I was 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.320 like what And I can't remember what song he played 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:41.040 after that, but I was like, nah, bro, like, well 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:43.480 that's like on the tour he did with Migos where 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:46.480 he was running across the fucking basketball basketball he was 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:49.960 just run quick. He just did quick features like tan 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:51.800 in a row and like was like, I just want 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:54.120 to remind y'all like, oh yeah, it was all, but 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.320 this is what I'm saying. I think like the thing 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:59.600 is like all right, look yeah, if you a Jay 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:03.480 fan and you I'm a Biggie fan J fan. We 1:08:03.520 --> 1:08:06.240 also didn't mention Jay's best just discography and hip hop history, 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:10.120 which is crazy. He's no but he he's him and 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:14.000 Kanye for being fair or Drake, but I put Kanye 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.040 gets a slight edge just because of producing. He gets 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:19.280 a slight edge, right, I agree? But yeah, J right, Like, 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:21.120 because I was having this debate with academics and he 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:22.680 was talking about hits and he was like, where I'm 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:24.000 from is not a hit? I'm like, how's it not 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.280 a hit? Right? I'm like, because bro, see you, I 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:28.960 understand how he could say that But the reason why 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:30.720 he says that is because you in the era with 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:32.599 fifty cent have fucked up everything with the sales shit, 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:35.519 where y'all equate how you interpret music based on what 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:38.280 it sells. So when well, I didn't know what gold 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:41.120 of platinum even meant at all. I didn't know that 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:42.920 it meant selling a million when I was a kid, 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:45.920 Like think about fucking dark and hell is hot, bro, 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:48.679 I didn't know, you know, dark, Flesh of my Flesh, 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:50.479 Blood on my Blood. So three hundred and eighty seven 1:08:50.520 --> 1:08:52.400 thousand records the first week and did not have a 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:54.920 single or a video that was both in the same year, 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:57.720 both in this is what I'm saying. It's like, so 1:08:57.840 --> 1:08:59.960 I didn't know nothing about the sale shit, But people 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:06.479 like X ship was like Billboard. I'm like, so you 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:10.840 let these people have no face, their system determined what's 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:13.080 the best ship? Ever? Nah? Like you know what I mean, 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.519 because I'm like, yo, Like, if Jay had to go 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:18.840 hit for hit with somebody, he could go all day. 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:21.960 But but one thing, I say, separate drink. But Drake, 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:24.000 nobody can go hit for him with Drake. The problem 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:25.960 with Drake is Drake gonna start pulling them ships from 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:30.599 half court, like Steph, you're gonna start pulling that shit 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:33.200 from half court. And I still put I still have 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:36.000 in my book Jay over Drake. Of course, of course 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:40.040 he's I think with Drake, I think I think Drake 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:43.720 is kind of like you said, how Steph Curry kind 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:45.360 of came through and it's just like not fair with 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:47.880 the change he changed the way the game's played, to 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:52.240 change with the games. I think Drake has some things 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:56.040 you could say about him. Obviously the writing ship, you know, yeah. 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:58.200 I also look at the way he responded to that 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:00.519 and kind of like low Ki had me his career 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:02.640 in a little chocol for a while, you know, like 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:06.000 and but then I look at Drake and the push 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:08.120 a thing, and how I was so disappointed that Drake 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:10.960 never replied to push his fucking freestyles. Bro I ain't 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.880 gonna lie though. It's like it was like he was 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:16.479 in a very tough position. But I always used to say, 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:17.800 you know what I always just say about Drake. I 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:19.559 used to before him and push you at his issues. 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.400 I used to always say, like he needed to do 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:24.240 a takeover, just attack everybody, he needed to just make 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:26.280 a record. I always wanted Drake to make kind of 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:29.880 like Kendrick's controllers, but he didn't. Kendrick then attack people, right, 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:32.760 but he definitely he caught everybody. He was being nice. Yeah, 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:35.080 it was. It was a polite Hey guys, I'm better 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:38.040 than y'all. But I really feel like I don't know Kendrick, 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.160 but I really feel like Kendrick believed that nobody could 1:10:40.160 --> 1:10:42.880 fuck with him. I think that's still nobody. I don't 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:46.000 I feel like rapping, but at the same time, that's 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:48.280 what I'm saying. It's like when you start getting in 1:10:48.320 --> 1:10:51.080 the bars and quotables and hip hop is not just 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:54.960 based on that. It's based on everything. It's based on everything. 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:56.599 It's based on your presence and all that. And like 1:10:56.760 --> 1:10:59.240 it's like, now, bro, it's like the NBA. I'd be like, yo, 1:10:59.240 --> 1:11:01.800 they might as well just make the NBA the Christmas Game, 1:11:01.840 --> 1:11:03.920 the All Star Game in the playoffs because nobody plays 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:06.240 no more. I know, y'all got injuries and ship, but 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:08.880 nobody don't fucking play this ship is crazy. And it's 1:11:08.960 --> 1:11:10.960 like that's how feeling about hip hop now. It's like 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:14.160 people don't play as much as they used to. It's like, uh, 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:18.000 we're growing up after we get a Woo Tang album, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.400 and then we get all these albums in between, and 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:22.679 then another woos Sang album and more albums in between, 1:11:22.760 --> 1:11:26.360 and then another Wooing album. They still holding his face locks. 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:30.679 They did the same ship Locks album, Jadakiss Styles Chic, 1:11:31.320 --> 1:11:35.360 then d Block compilation, Jada Kiss again, and Styles and Chic. 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.280 They kept doing They kept doing it all our favorite 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:41.360 sucking the dog paumd Bro snooping them like snoop after 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:43.280 he brought the dog Panty brought I had. I bought 1:11:43.280 --> 1:11:45.960 that east side of his album Aum was fired, Eastide 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:50.320 I Sleeping Goldie Logan Trading. They had dress on it, 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:51.639 you know what I'm saying. But I bought that east 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:54.840 side of the album. Like they kept it consistent consistent. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:57.840 Now it's like the incause you want to be like 1:11:57.880 --> 1:12:01.080 you consistent when you drop, but you dropped. It's like 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:03.040 a solar clips, you know what I mean. Now, it's 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.679 like we gotta wait so long and yeah, but that's 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:07.960 the only thing with Like, I hope this next Kendrick 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:11.479 album is crazy, I think. But that's the though. It's 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.160 it's a gifting occurs because it's like for me, I 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:16.960 don't I'm not expecting, like, I don't think that Kendrick 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:19.280 can outdo himself. I just think that every time he 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:21.519 does something that hasn't been done, he doesn't out Like 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:24.720 I don't feel like good Caad Mass City, Good Kid Mass. 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:26.320 He is one of the greatest albums of all time, 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:30.439 facts or in any genre. I agree, but like when 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:33.080 you get to to Pimple Butterfly, I can't compare it 1:12:33.160 --> 1:12:36.040 to because there he was doing something totally different Butterfly 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:38.160 the way he did it on a high level. Yeah, 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:40.920 then damn, damn a classic album. I'm give a fuck 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:42.960 with nobody saying I think. I mean, I think all 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:46.280 three Kendrick albums are classics. And let's not in Section eighty. 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:48.479 Let's not like that was sweet. Section eighty was officially 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:50.840 an album as well, so you couldn't get that. You 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.080 had to buy that on iTunes. And like I said, 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:56.280 like I don't with these artists, it's like we want 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:58.920 to be entertained, so we don't know, like them sitting 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:03.080 in stool one hundred hours like oh fuck, trying a 1:13:03.080 --> 1:13:04.920 bunch of shit and saying, I don't know if I'm 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:07.400 a like Lauren Hill bro it was a reason why 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:09.080 she on even made one album. She can never do 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:12.120 that shit again. You could never do it again. And 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.320 that piece of art, though, is one of the greatest 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:15.800 of all time. But if that's the art that we 1:13:15.840 --> 1:13:17.439 have to accept for and that's what we have, I'm 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.599 cool with that. Do you think Drake? I think everyone 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:22.679 would say that Take Care is a classic? Not everyone, 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:26.559 because I personally don't think he's got an undeniable classic. Yeah, 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.360 take his not take his undeniable classic, bro, I'm saying 1:13:29.400 --> 1:13:32.520 just I feel like it's a undeniable I think that 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:36.639 no, no no, but listen, but listen, Like, I think that 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:41.919 there's not a consensus amongst everyone that that's a classic. 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:45.200 I think that I think that I would say it's 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:50.760 a classic personally, but I don't think it's a consensus, right, 1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:53.679 Like I feel like there's albums like nobody's ever gonna 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:56.080 tell you Get richard Ie Trent isn't a classic, Like 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:59.040 anybody who you respecting hip hop would never ever say, 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:02.800 but they're not tell you why it's our standard. We're 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:04.840 from the same I'm only a couple years older than you, 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.160 but we're from the same era of when we learned 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:09.559 this idea of what the classic was, and then we 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:12.000 think about our classics. I used to think like, if 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:14.559 you can't make something the same as the infamous, it's 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:17.040 not classic. If you can't make the same as reasonable doubt, 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:20.719 it's not classic. And that's content is the subject matter 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:22.840 is the singles and all of that only built for 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:26.360 Cuban links. Music has changed, but I think since since 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:28.840 Drakes come out, there's been classic albums that have came out. 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:33.640 So even though it's like two records on there, it's like, 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:35.760 what my beautiful dark twist of fantasy good can mad say? 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:39.360 I mean, we just talked about Kendricks, right, So it's 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:42.200 other people records on there, like freestyles, but so Far 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:46.679 Gone Bro So Far Gone is a classic body of work. 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:50.760 I mean undeniable, that's undeniable. I think that when Drake 1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:53.720 came out with the singing shit, everybody was like, oh 1:14:53.800 --> 1:14:55.519 he saw for he is so he that So they 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:57.599 was because hip hop was in a weird ass space. 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:01.080 So it's like they say he not hip hop. Like 1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:04.680 people consider Drake like you still got an army of 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:08.680 like a fucking organization or army of people that still say, well, 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:13.120 Drake's not hip hop because he sings right, and I 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:16.120 just look at it. I didn't wasn't in that crowd, 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:17.960 but I used to look at it like, well, he 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:20.439 need to just make a whole album rapping, but he 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:24.599 doesn't because it'd be nice though. Why though, but because 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:27.200 look we rusted that chompipe and I was like, this 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:29.559 is great. He's shutting people up. Yeah, but I feel 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:33.480 like Russ got more to proved than Drake. Definitely, Yeah, 1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:36.120 thats bro. Anybody who meet Russ, if you never knew 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:37.679 who was, Like if I took rest of my hood, 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:41.559 somebody I wouldn't say, like, they'd be like, yo, cool guy. 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:42.920 But you know, I just mean like, if no one 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:44.519 knew who he was, they'd be like, why you got 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:46.360 this white boy with long hair? Yeah? But then you 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:48.559 hear he grap his ass off. But that's what I'm saying. 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.760 It's like he got more approved than Drake. You're saying 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:53.679 Drake doesn't have to do that because he's already got. 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:56.880 I feel like, I feel like for the people who 1:15:56.960 --> 1:16:00.400 feel like he had, he's never gonna make them happy. 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:04.920 They're never go yeah, because like honestly, even with me, 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:07.759 because me and academics have had a lot of Drake debates, 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:10.200 especially with the whole ship and all of that, and like, 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:12.800 I had to start looking. I took a lot of 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:15.720 my Like I love Drake as an artist, Like I've 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:18.240 listened to every one of his albums, all of them, Like, 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:20.040 I mean, the only one I don't like is What's 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:22.240 the first one? Thank Me Later? I don't like that album. 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.559 It had like four joints on it. I wasn't crazy 1:16:24.560 --> 1:16:29.080 about more Life. I always crazy about life neither. But like, 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:32.000 but I hate I hate the fact that, if you're 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:34.320 reading this too late, is oh no, that's a mixtape. 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:37.479 No it's not. It's a fucking album. I can't enjoy 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:43.280 that album the way everyone else does because, Bro, but 1:16:43.280 --> 1:16:46.519 but that album is like some of his best, especially 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.559 just rapping. We just don't know who wrote it, you 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:51.040 know what I'm saying. I know, but I ain't on 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:54.320 front nowadays the people that everybody writing for them, I don't. 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:56.439 I got over that, Bro, I had to get over it. 1:16:56.439 --> 1:16:58.439 It's tough. I had to get over it, because Bro, 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:01.280 it's a different era when you being come on, bro, 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:03.160 you be in these studios. Well also you know how 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:05.519 it is because you you're in studio sessions, and you 1:17:05.640 --> 1:17:08.479 realize everyone gets help, everybody, whether it's the homie in 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:11.639 the corner who's like feed you in line. Because but 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:13.600 but we come from that era of like if you 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:15.080 was in the if you was in the lunch room, 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:18.280 and you think Kendrick's getting help, I don't know. I 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:20.000 don't know, man, I don't think. I don't know. Bro, 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:21.960 I'm gonna keep it a hundred. I'm not I would. 1:17:21.960 --> 1:17:24.719 I wouldn't say he is. Probably I would probably shut 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:26.200 the thugs in on the inside, like you know what 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:27.880 I mean. Yeah, my argument because I'm glad you say 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:29.920 Kendrick's in your top five because I always tell people 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.320 who have Biggie in their top five as well. I'm like, look, 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:35.640 Biggie deserves to be in that conversation. But while he 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:39.240 we got two albums from him, and they were both classics, 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:43.719 Kendrick we've got if I can argue section eighty's a classic, 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.439 but let's say take it section eighty three. He's got 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:49.439 three undenials not missed. He hasn't missed. So if you're 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:52.000 gonna put Biggie in that conversation off a two albums, 1:17:52.000 --> 1:17:54.000 you gotta put Kendrick in that conversation with the greatest 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:57.640 all time. Yeah. Absolutely, But I see the thing is 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:02.840 is like, bro, we all realized how great people are 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.080 when they're gone. You know what I'm saying, Like, we 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:07.519 all realized how great people are when they're going. It's like, 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:11.080 you look at DMX, right, and I wouldn't be mad 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:13.240 if somebody had DMX's they number one on they Top five. 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:16.240 Of course, when I was a kid for two years 1:18:16.280 --> 1:18:18.840 as a child, probably three years, DMX was my favorite 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:20.519 rapper in the world. I'm not even gonna lie and 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:23.519 admit this to you. The Hard Knocked Life Tour, that 1:18:23.600 --> 1:18:27.040 Backstage movie when I was there, we probably stayed for 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:29.599 two of jay Z's songs and then went home. Bro, 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:34.040 we were there to see DMX. I did not understand 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:35.840 for the life of me why DMX was going on 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:38.880 before jay Z, and at that time that was volume two. 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:40.920 Hold yeah, that he had had them records. It was 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:42.840 it was they toil and he had them records, right. 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:44.640 That's like I remember jay came out, he had the 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:47.639 car on stage, and I was like my cousin was like, hey, 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:48.880 you want to go home and beat the traffic? And 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:50.800 I was like we already saw DMX, metha Man and 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:53.160 Redmond were just flying through the fucking sky. Let's go home. 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:57.000 That's like, bro, like, who I like, what's this? That's like, 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:59.080 I don't give nobody say like Future in my top ten. 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:01.479 I don't even know my top this Future in it. Really, 1:19:01.640 --> 1:19:04.400 I swear to guy, Bro, I don't care what nobody say. 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:06.920 Ain't no Dick Ryan and none of that. I love Future, 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:09.040 I know, I love I love Future, but I want 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:11.280 to put I mean, I think for what he does, 1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:12.640 he's the greatest of all time. I don't know if 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.280 there's a better club like club rapper you just want. 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:17.040 But see this the thing. I don't even want to 1:19:17.040 --> 1:19:20.880 put him in club rapper because that's people always equate Future. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:24.040 That's just a club rapper Future. His music is street ship. 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:28.679 So he got some bro I know, but I'm talking 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.280 about he got songs with like one of my favorite 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:35.200 songs from Futures made myself like Streets Calling that mixtape, 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.920 Streets Calling got mad Future shit on it where he rapping, 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:41.200 and people never got onto that because they just got 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:43.280 on the fucking at the same damn time and it 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:45.240 was just held on it that and never listen to shit. 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.280 If you got the tolerance or the time to listen 1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:50.680 to future, canny fuck with Kendrick as a rapper. No, 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.360 not saying that by no means, but if you listen 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:56.120 to what he's saying and you like rap, you'd be like, oh, 1:19:56.120 --> 1:19:57.840 he got some ship in there, same as Thug. I 1:19:57.840 --> 1:20:00.360 feel the same way about Thug. I put low key 1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:04.559 put Thug above future. No, no, no, no, I'll take 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:08.280 futures catalog. I just think that. I just think young 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:13.400 Thug has I mean, futures are very versus how artists, 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:15.640 but I feel like I've heard Thug like some of 1:20:15.680 --> 1:20:18.400 his inflections and ship. I just don't know if anyone 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.559 else can pull off some of the ship young Thug does. 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:23.000 They can't. People can do it. People can do a 1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:26.639 cheap future impersonation. It's to me, no, they can't. Bro 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:30.679 they can't. To me, Thug is like so the way 1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:35.080 he changes the beats for real, don't that's fair? Future 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:37.479 like listening to Gangland, and like I said, I'm not saying, 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:40.639 listen to Gangland and say this verse is not better 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:43.200 than conways. I've been waiting for someone to put future 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.760 up in the verses too. I'm like, man, who play 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:47.400 with him? I don't know who. I don't know who 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:49.720 could bro. People don't even You see when he was 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:51.840 making that room about Travis Scott and then the meme start, 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.240 Oh yeah, Travis to get washed and I love Travis, 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:58.000 but not against future future Brow Travis and young Thug 1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:02.800 would be good. That would be a good one. Travis, Travis, Travis, 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:06.120 but future Bro they can't follow the future. So you 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:08.280 got them top ten all time? Hell yeah, I got 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.320 because my ratchet. But that's what I'm saying, your personal favorites. 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:15.880 That's your favorite, like like in your favorites, it's not 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:18.439 necessarily like who you think is the greatest of all time. Yeah, 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:20.479 it's not what I think is just your favorite. Yeah, 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:22.519 he's my He's one of my favorite artists ever. But 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:26.040 so is Ludacris. So is t I Man, Ludacris, so 1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:29.400 is Young Buck would have loved album Young Bucks first 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.280 two second album, The World was one of the most 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:36.040 slept on albums ever made. The World is fucking was 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:37.920 that they had the prices on my head record was 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.400 that on the first the first Yeah, but the second 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:44.000 album had some ships and that no one no one 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:46.679 ever talks about Buck the world, Bro, Buck the World 1:21:46.880 --> 1:21:49.400 is hard. That was one that's probably one of the 1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:51.679 saddest things in hip hop for me was that young 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.840 Buck never really kind of like he should have kept going. 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.880 Man Luda was that dude though. I'm so glad to 1:21:57.880 --> 1:22:00.280 hear Luda on that new record with Conway and that 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:04.400 ship was yeah, and he held his own Nah, absolutely absolutely. 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:07.040 I mean Luda, Bro. I think Luda is a mask. 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:10.559 Like people don't be knowing. It's like I equate Lula 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:12.479 like ice cube. Bro, He's the same thing as ice cube. 1:22:12.920 --> 1:22:14.960 Like when my when my son seeing straight out of Compton, 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:18.479 he was like, that's ice cube, Like he couldn't believe it. 1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:21.360 He was like, that's how you got it from Yeah, 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:24.120 from Friday. We did that Friday all. I'm like, yeah, 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.439 all about the Benjamin Like, yeah, that's ice Cube. Like 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:28.400 they don't but I would have. I would have took 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.120 the same route Lula, did you know what I mean? 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:33.320 But Luda? People act like man Luda when he did 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:36.479 What's the Ship that Ron Browns did for him? Blow 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:39.719 it out your ass like dumb joints LU the first album, 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:47.160 the first than Red Light DISTRICTT. What's the drink? Chicken? Yeah, chicken, beer, 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:50.880 chicken and beer. Luda had bro he hits, hits, hits, hits, 1:22:52.720 --> 1:22:56.720 any corrap with you? What's so this new podcast is 1:22:57.600 --> 1:22:59.240 just one of the new things that you have coming. 1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:02.400 It's just one new things. I don't I don't really 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:05.760 talk about like inkas dry on certain shit. But I 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:09.600 don't let I let the work speak for itself. You know, 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:12.800 I do got some shit coming. I'm just I'm I'm 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:15.840 still learning, bro, Like you know, the media career is 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:18.720 giving me a new life and I'm only three years in. 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:23.080 I'm set, I'm on my music. Shit, I'm twenty in, right, 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:27.519 I mean I started at shit eighteen, so I'm twenty in. 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:31.080 I'm thirty eight. Not consistent, but I'm still like making 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.920 up for the lost time I had. So I'm learning 1:23:33.960 --> 1:23:37.040 new shit. I'm working with new people. I got different perspectives. 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:40.040 I'm building new things, new ideas. I'm building a merch 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:43.320 line for my company, Try and Go Offense, which was 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.240 you know, my label, That's what Dave was signed to 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:48.320 as a a management client, but I changed it to 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:52.720 not just management and production company, to an aspirational inspirational 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.800 lifestyle brand because like I want to inspire, you know, 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:59.080 I mean I want to aspire to inspire, Like it's 1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:02.000 my duty for me to make people feel like they can. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:04.240 That's why I started my podcast. I look at I think, 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:07.160 what's about your podcast is it's kind of needed in 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:08.960 this space. I think we get a lot of that 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:12.920 from like Wallow's Instagram. Yeah, I love it. Real quick, 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:13.920 I tell you about that, you know what I mean. 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:16.080 Times Wallow cursed me out about doing the podcast. BROA 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.599 Wallow was on my ass. Bro, I'll tell you one 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:22.200 time Wallow And of course I met him through social media, 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:23.840 but we got a lot of mutual friends in Philly, 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:26.400 a lot of mutual friends. And Wallow called me one 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:28.240 day and was like, wait, no, I'm telling you right now, Bro, 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:30.360 you're leaving so much money on the table. And he like, 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:32.000 not just the money, but bro, he like, it's all 1:24:32.040 --> 1:24:33.759 these different things that you could do once you start. 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.559 And he was telling me, but Willow talk fast, and 1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:39.439 he he gave me one call like every couple months, 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:41.360 and he left me with that, and I was like, 1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:42.920 how do I do it? And I was scared to 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:44.320 do it. I'm not gonna lie, bro, I'm not gonna 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:47.519 act like I was, like, I'm just this invincible person 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:52.679 that has no flaws and has no what's that insecurities about? Shit? 1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:54.680 Like are they gonna like it? Do they like me? 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:57.080 Does everybody just like academics on the show and don't 1:24:57.120 --> 1:24:58.360 fuck with me at all? I know he has his 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.320 fan base, but I never built mine. And then I 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:01.400 was like, you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna just 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:03.160 jump off this diving board to see what happens. And 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:05.400 we've been doing. You know, hear Me Out with Wayne 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:08.840 O is every Thursday. I'm saying Instagram is hear me 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:11.439 out with Wayne O? It's the twitters hear me out? 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.240 I mean, hear me wayno. And we're just gonna go, 1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:15.880 you know what I mean. We're gonna go and I'm 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.040 gonna have like I will have. I would love to 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:19.760 have you on a on a podcast, but we do. 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:21.720 It's not gonna be so much centered around you. I 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:23.240 might just bro you a father like, you know what 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:25.640 I mean, we might just talk and talk about the 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:28.000 things that our kids is into. How you feel about 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:29.880 this issue versus me. What I'm saying, I think it's 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:32.400 that's missing like and I think that, Like I said, 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:35.439 we get a lot of that from Wallow and from Billy, 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.080 and from Gilly and and and and I wish they 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.200 would do they. I used to love the podcast with 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:43.639 No Interviews, and I've been killing the interview us because 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:46.760 they make people so comfortable. Bro there, I tell them 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:49.719 this all the time, Like their interviews are my favorite. 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:51.760 I mean, obviously, drink Champs is on a crazy run. 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:58.000 I love bro Like the cam and the Pharrell interview 1:25:58.000 --> 1:25:59.880 are like two of my favorite interviews ever. I hope 1:25:59.880 --> 1:26:01.160 I get to do a drink and I don't even 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:02.479 drink like that, but I hope I get to do 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:05.800 a drink Champs one day, because like when Noori came 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:08.080 to the the Rockefeller, remember he was signed the Rockefeller. Yo. 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.840 Norri was one of the funniest people I've ever met 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:13.840 in my life. Though, Oh, because that was like that 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:16.600 was like when it was like Rockefeller, like reggaetone, like no, 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:18.599 that was before that. That was before that he signed 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:20.920 to Regular. That was when Dame Dame has signed them, 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:23.599 Games Chain and all that, and then he was already there. 1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:27.280 Basically he was signed to Death Jim and Death Jim 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:31.519 wasn't really moving so and Rockefeller we had distro through 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:33.519 death jam. So it's just like all right, we could 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:34.920 take it on and you know what I mean, do 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:37.080 whatever with him and put the Rockefeller brand around and 1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:39.800 all that. And it's just like I was when I 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:42.040 was around norriy. I was twenty one, So I don't 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:44.960 forget nothing that happened because these are like the this 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:46.920 is fucking Nori, you know what I mean. It's the 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:49.639 greatest time of my life being around his guys. It's 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:52.080 mad stories I got would be being around Norry that 1:26:52.080 --> 1:26:56.000 he might not remember. Norri's Yeah. Norri is uh like 1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:58.679 the sweetest dude. But he's also like when you think 1:26:58.720 --> 1:27:00.680 of like some of the stories he's been involved with, 1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:03.599 you're like, we want to Like I always say him, 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:05.759 him and Fat Joe are like some of the biggest 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:09.280 goons to ever fucking vat. Yeah, Fat Joe. Fat Joe 1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:12.160 was went to kindergarten with my sister. Yeah, I just 1:27:12.200 --> 1:27:15.200 all I've heard so many like vocal stories about Fat Joe. 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:16.920 I used to work with DJ DJ christ John when 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:18.200 I was when I was on the radio on Tampa. 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.840 He used to tell me the craziest Forest projects. Bro 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:24.120 Fat Joe's story how they would move was like some 1:27:24.200 --> 1:27:28.040 real terrorists the name but the name called terrorst Squad, 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:31.599 Like Jesus, like, we don't take these brands serious until 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:35.959 it say smacks mighty head off. Yeah, man state property 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.000 that that that's property of the state. Beans was calling 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:40.920 the ship criminal records. But I'm just saying, look what 1:27:40.960 --> 1:27:44.559 you manifest when you do that. Feel fortunately, fortunately d 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:47.559 block you know, d block cell block like it's it's 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:50.880 I get why because it was authentic to the to 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:52.519 the artist and a person. But at the same time, 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:54.559 it's like, now we're getting older, we're not looking at 1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:56.519 it like that. Hey, what was the biggest time you 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.400 ever kind of disagreed with some academic state where you 1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:02.800 kind of had to like, you know nine the six 1:28:02.960 --> 1:28:05.439 nine thing. Yeah, did you guys have off of the 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:07.880 record conversations about it? We had mad conversations about it, 1:28:07.880 --> 1:28:09.519 but we had we had one conversation. We had one 1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:11.599 conversation that got a little crazy. They had to take 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:13.840 a lot of it out. I was wild on video. 1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:17.240 But that's only the reason why is because it's like 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:21.360 it's certain brothers and sisters that like, you know, they 1:28:21.520 --> 1:28:24.400 attached theyself to that. You know that that brotherhood and 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:29.759 I know them and we're tight, and like seeing seeing 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:35.120 how he was treating that whole thing, seeing how sixnin 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:38.120 was treating that whole ship, I always felt that six 1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:40.759 nine could have been like the most successful artists without 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:43.120 doing that. But also he was around a bunch of 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:45.160 dudes that didn't know business. You know what I'm saying, 1:28:45.200 --> 1:28:48.360 Like these dudes is they they they serious people in 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.000 the street that never been in They've been around music, 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:53.240 but never had the ball in their hand. So it's 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:57.640 like I felt like, yeah, he used them, they used them, 1:28:57.680 --> 1:28:59.080 but he used them like it ain't it ain't one 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:02.080 side like yeah, And the thing about it is, bro 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:05.840 it ain't even about I don't agree when it comes 1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:08.200 to like, you know, I ain't in the street right now. 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:09.800 I don't give a fuck about who snitching on who 1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:11.240 know why? Because I ain't in the street. That ain't 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:14.160 my lifestyle. But like I've been in situations where I 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:15.840 had to stop talking to friends I grew up with 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:17.880 because they chose a certain life when I was trying 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:20.000 to live a certain life. So that rubs me a 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:23.240 certain way. I got friends that did fifteen some years 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:24.800 because somebody told on them. You know what I mean, 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:27.960 It's not even about just that, it's about the prevention. 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:31.080 It's about not putting yourself in a situation to do that. 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:33.280 So I would never I'm not gonna tell no kid 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:35.800 if he get locked up, where he or she should do. 1:29:36.160 --> 1:29:38.040 That's for them to decide. What I'm gonna tell you is, 1:29:38.439 --> 1:29:42.800 how about we get you more focused on things that 1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:45.360 will not put you in a position to get locked up. 1:29:45.600 --> 1:29:48.559 That's what I'm about, being proactive, not reactive. Because once 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:51.839 once a kid goes to jail or a kid passes, 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.840 everybody's all sad and everybody got all this that and 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:56.960 the third we need more prevention. And I felt like 1:29:58.080 --> 1:30:01.759 with dudes, you know, was doing whatever was like just perpetual, 1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:03.800 like you was. Yeah, a lot of a lot of 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:06.720 people turned up on the gang ship because when they 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:09.320 did it, they heightened it on a mainstream level, and 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:11.519 a lot of kids is looking at it like he 1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:13.320 ain't like that, and I don't really like that, So 1:30:13.560 --> 1:30:15.240 I'm really going to do it, you know what I'm saying. 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:17.600 And now they they catching indictments and all of that, 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:19.080 So what does it bring for real, Like you know 1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:21.639 what I mean, That shit don't bring nothing but pain facts. 1:30:21.800 --> 1:30:24.320 That's crazy. Yeah. I always thought that, like because because 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:27.080 because just kind of who you are and and and 1:30:27.080 --> 1:30:29.240 and you know, even just watching the show on a 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:30.880 regular basis, like you can kind of tell like the 1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:33.479 morals you stand on. Yeah. I just I just thought 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:35.920 that there was some some academic ship and again it 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:38.440 was it was got a number of respect for academics. Yeah, 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:41.200 outside of the Freddie Gibs shit happened and him him 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:42.720 bringing up Fred's kids and not so well when we 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:44.840 get friends my brother, but I respect like the career 1:30:44.880 --> 1:30:46.760 he's built up. But I just figured that there was 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:49.000 a had to be a few things where you was like, bro, 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:52.160 like what is it? Well, no, it's well hmmm, let 1:30:52.160 --> 1:30:54.439 me think it's different. I can't think of everything, Bro, 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.599 we did? You know? You and I did probably three 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:58.920 hundred something. I was on Everyday Struggle longer than Joe 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.760 Bud was and that's facts. So so I did three 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:05.240 hundred something episodes of that shit. So I can't remember everything. Bro. 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:09.479 I'm talking Monday through Thursday, every morning at seven in 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:11.320 the morning. A lot of that shit is a blur 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:13.920 and and some shit you can see and some shit 1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:16.160 you want. But the thing about me is is like 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:18.720 it's a lot of shit that we didn't agree on, Bro, 1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:20.679 But but at the same time, it's like we knew 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:22.200 that we came there to do a job. We came 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.720 there to entertain. I felt like, you know, for me, 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:26.120 I was on that show for three years. You know 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:28.360 what I'm saying for me to I'm grateful to Complex. 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:30.559 I'm working for the Deska because the desker's who got 1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:32.680 me on that show and a co signed it, and 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:37.080 that's what spit ahead of my media career. And I've 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:39.760 and like you, it worked. It ain't like they brought 1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:42.240 you on like and well. The thing is, Bro, is 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:44.559 that I'm a sponge. Like if you could hear you 1:31:44.600 --> 1:31:46.600 hear me talk about my Rockefeller days. I got in 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:48.960 the room, I learned, I sat around, I played my part, 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:51.639 I sat in the corner, I was the person. Yeah, 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:54.600 So I looked at it from the perspective of this, 1:31:54.720 --> 1:31:57.800 it's like I got in there for all the shit, 1:31:57.920 --> 1:31:59.920 even with the bullshit that me It's a lot of 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.000 conversations that I had with act with act told me 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:04.760 how to handle business in the media. Space. So when 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:07.200 I did my deals, He's like, YO, make sure it's 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.280 make sure you he told me, Bro, he instilled summing 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:11.680 for me. I'm grateful for me that, you know what 1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:13.960 I'm saying. And him and me, you know, it's like 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:15.519 it's like almost like the same shit you're saying what 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:17.120 you was like, like, meet Bro, I've know Meek since 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:19.680 he was sixteen, and I fuck woul Act, but Meet 1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:22.320 I got real genuine love for me because I knew 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:23.880 him when he caught this, when he caught the troup 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.040 before you. I'm kind of glad the clubhouse thing happened 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:28.679 because it kind of I hate clubhouse. Bro. I haven't 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:30.400 had clubhouse on my phone for a while. I haven't. 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:32.519 I haven't used it in like five months. That's a wrap. Yeah, 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.160 it's over for me for that, but but like it's 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:39.599 just I love balance. I feel like, you can't we 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:41.639 can't have all the things. I can't have the morals 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:43.240 that I stand on and this, that and the third 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:46.880 and teach and educate if I don't have examples of 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:49.320 other people and not specifically Act, but other people that 1:32:49.360 --> 1:32:51.360 be out here shocking the fucking food. You know what 1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:53.400 I'm saying, so I could be able to show examples 1:32:53.479 --> 1:32:55.360 like yo, listen, I ain't gonna tell you what to do, 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.040 but if you want to do it, just make sure 1:32:58.080 --> 1:33:00.559 you do it your way. Don't feel a pressure, feeling 1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:02.040 like you got to be this person in that What 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.240 was the Was there ever a crazy moment where you 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:07.960 guys had interviews at complex and things kind of got weird, 1:33:08.280 --> 1:33:13.200 weird with the artists with artists and act YG YG 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:15.880 came in because that was right after like like six 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:19.000 nine was going crazy and I remember that. And the 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:20.960 thing is is like I I gotta rapport with them, 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:22.519 with YG and them, you know what I mean, Like 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:24.200 I funk would be more, you know what I mean. Yeah, 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:27.599 he's my guy. Push push your rod, like I funck 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:29.160 with a lot of his dudes, you know what I'm saying. 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:31.840 And like when I when I every every room, I 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:34.360 walk into him being myself saying. So when I come 1:33:34.400 --> 1:33:36.320 in there, I speak to everybody. I ain't just speak 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:37.840 to YG. I came in there, I said, but up 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:40.120 to his homies before I saw him something. It's early 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.120 in the morning. That brother's doing y'all good. Flight was cool, 1:33:42.120 --> 1:33:46.080 all right, cool? They came in so ACT came in, 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:48.800 you know what I mean. Usually the artists that like 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:51.880 don't funk with act, they usually sit next to me. 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:54.720 It's they usually sit next to me. So why G? 1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:56.599 You know he said with me? You know what I mean? 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:58.880 It was cool, but like why was waiting to see 1:33:58.880 --> 1:34:00.280 if he was going to play with him? You know 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:03.519 what I mean? But ultimately, like, why G? He's a 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:05.360 real good guy, bro, Like I went to one of 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:08.120 his his brother, his brother's birthday party one time, met 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:10.559 as his mom, his pops and up. People be looking 1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:12.280 at these artists and they just think that they these 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:14.479 reckless dudes because he chose a certain way of life. 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:16.639 He's a good brother, feel me. Like, so I wanted 1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:18.080 to ask you because you've worked with you worked with 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:21.880 Dave early on, and Dave's one of my favorite artists. 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:26.519 In saying MC, women love him right right killing it 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:29.080 on the acting. He's kind of like the full package. 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:31.760 But for some reason, he's never kind of gone over 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:34.760 the hump at being like a commercial success. Why do 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:36.439 you think that is, like in your opinion for being 1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:39.320 someone wh's been so close to him. I mean, this 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:41.400 is a record business. You gotta make records, you know 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:43.320 what I mean, I feel like like Dave has he 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:45.960 has all the qualities to make him be over that. 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:48.360 But like I just feel like because I still, you know, 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:50.040 I tune into this shiit like me and Dave don't 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:51.880 first and all, like me and Dave don't have a 1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:53.639 bad report, right, I mean, like it was a point 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:56.519 in time where we weren't speaking. But regardless of that, 1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:58.200 Dave had reached out to me when I lost my 1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:01.120 father because him and my father had their own relationship 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:04.840 and he was he was very sincere his approach, and 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:07.439 I took Dave to become Muslim. He's gonna be my 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:09.840 brother forever. He's my brother here in and in after life. 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:12.519 So I loved it. But I always felt like Dave 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:18.240 I always for me. My vision for him was to 1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:21.160 always be bigger. I don't know what the vision that 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.519 he had for himself once I stopped working with him, 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:25.080 you know what I'm saying. So I don't know what 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:28.840 transpired after that. We went on separate ways. But like 1:35:29.439 --> 1:35:32.760 I just felt like Dave has an insane ability. He's 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:34.639 he's a dope rapper. That's why I was fucking with him, 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:36.120 you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean looking like 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:38.759 I just I feel like he checks all the boxes, 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:40.960 checks all the boxes. But I mean, you gotta remember, bro, 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:43.720 everybody's not like everybody's not meant to be what we 1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:45.920 want them to be. And you see that in sports 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:47.680 before you see the music, you know what I mean, 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:50.559 Like all the time, Bro, you know how many number 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:52.720 one picks I was living and dying, buying and then 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:57.040 like they end up not being mohammed. But you know 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:58.760 they reclassified him because he was older, he was lying 1:35:58.800 --> 1:36:00.640 by his age and all that shit. Yeah, but like 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:02.759 but but yeah, even him, like when he's at UCLA, 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:07.400 Andrew Wiggins, Andrew Andrew Wiggan Yo, I swech I wanted 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:11.240 the Sons to tank for Wiggins. Bro Dante ExHAM hex 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:13.960 him from He's from Australia. He's from Australia. But let 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:16.040 me tell you something, bro, it wasn't a person I 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:18.639 want a hundred dollar bet off of off of Andrew 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:20.040 Wiggins when he came to the league because I was 1:36:20.040 --> 1:36:21.760 betting one of the East homies. He said that he 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:24.160 went average fourteen points. I was like, I said, he's 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.400 gonna get his fourteen points off of fast? I said's 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:27.920 gonna get eight points off of Fast Break the Kids 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:30.559 a freak athlete, Like, you can't fuck that package up. 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:32.920 But I feel like he still has the ability. Some 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:36.360 people unlock it later on lebron Shoe was instant. Mellows instant, 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:39.320 Zach Lavine's unlocked it. Later on, Yeah, Zach Lavine unlocked 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:41.120 it later on you know what I'm saying, like like 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.960 Donovan Mitchell, like, are you are you a Nick fan? No, 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:48.599 I'm a Lakers fan. No really, that's interesting, that's convenient. No, 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:50.479 no, no no it's not. I mean, second greatest franchise of 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:52.360 all time. But I sucked through the tough time. See 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:54.320 anybody was like I was watching when it was void 1:36:54.640 --> 1:36:57.479 and Eddie Jones, Nick van X absolutely bro listen. I 1:36:57.560 --> 1:36:59.760 used to tape the memories kids. But I used to 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:02.240 take the NBA draft. We couldn't go on Instagram and 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.040 just re see it. Used to take that ship. I 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:07.880 used to remember when when NBA Live and have the 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:10.639 rookies ris to write down every single rookie and look 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:13.840 at all their attributes and create them on live and ship. Bro. 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:16.120 I was a fun I'm a basketball fan. I love 1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:19.280 My love for the for the Lakers came not just 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:23.200 from they didn't come from the convenience of Shaq and Kobe. 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:25.040 It came from Phil Jackson. That's why I name my 1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:28.160 company Triangle Offense, because I started that. You were kind 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:30.639 of a later Laker fan, man, I was, but I was, 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:33.200 I said, was a kid before you were a Laker fan. 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:35.639 Were you a Nick fan? No? I was a Bulls fan. Yeah, 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:37.720 I was. I mean, but I was. I'm a Suns fan. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.240 I'm from Phoenix. But why use a Oh that's tough. No, no, 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:43.599 because as a kid, it was just Michael Jeordan's Michael Jordan. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:45.160 But that's why I be telling people. So it's like 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:47.640 when you meet a kid that's eight years old, you'd 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:50.599 be like, who's your favorite team? It's the Golden State 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:52.479 Wars when they was seventy three and nine, because they 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:54.840 the best. It's marketing, it's the best thing. But like, 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:58.840 I'm a Laker fan. Laker fan, do you think like, like, 1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:00.960 you know, I'm so much of a Lagka fan. I 1:38:01.040 --> 1:38:04.439 was against Lebron coming to the Lagas at first. You're 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:06.760 one of those Kobe guys. Man, you have your side 1:38:06.800 --> 1:38:08.640 of the of the war and it's Kobe. I had 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:11.479 a lot of Lebron Kobe arguments. Bro, Well you've had 1:38:11.479 --> 1:38:14.719 that Lebron argue. I had almost fist fight arguments about 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:17.400 Lebron Kobe Bro. So it's like when you had Kobe's 1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:20.160 better than Lebron. Huh, you're saying Kobe's better than Lebron. 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:23.640 I don't think he's a better athlete. I'm talking about that, 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:27.280 just better all time, all time. Great conversation. You're putting 1:38:27.320 --> 1:38:30.280 Kobe over Lebron all time? Okay, all right, do you 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:32.920 see at least you're reasonable. You're reasonable. I'm not because 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:36.120 Lebron bro. Like Steve Kurt said the relationship about Lebron 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:38.679 one time, he's like, yo, you know how hard it 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:40.599 is to get to the finals? He like even if 1:38:40.640 --> 1:38:42.840 he's lost, Like like, even if he's lost, you know 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:44.840 how hard it is to get It's people that seeing 1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:46.560 the finals on the bench one time and didn't have 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:48.760 a career after that. I always tell people, like the 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.920 year he went, it was at five and then they 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:55.080 had him was seven when Eric Snow was the point going. 1:38:55.560 --> 1:38:58.519 But that's the second worst team to a AIS team 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:01.439 as team was rough by the way, both both teams 1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:05.400 had Eric and Aaron McK I think probably yeah, and Aaron, 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:09.880 but like so, and he went through the Pistons in 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:13.719 the Eastern Conference finals. They wasn't they were still the Pistons, though, 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:16.120 come on, we're not gonna do to Michael Jordan. And 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.280 it was the Pistons he went to. Know it was 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:21.519 the Pistons that beat the Lakers, who had Karl Malone 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:23.880 and Gary Payton. It was I know, but as a 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.879 rookie was as a lot of factors why that championship 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:28.400 the way that today? The thing I will say about 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:31.800 Lebron is Lebron has the greatest championship. I agree twenty 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.320 sixteen that was the greatest. And I could have went 1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:36.600 to that ship, bro, Really, I could have went to 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:39.360 a game. We was on tour. Fred, you remember that 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:42.479 we was on tour. I've known Rich Paul since like 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:45.160 two thousand and two, two thousand and three. I've known, right, 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:47.400 I've never met Lebron in my life though, that's the 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:50.120 crazy thing. But I've known Respaul for maya. So some 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:52.599 little girl. We end up we on we I'm managing 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:55.800 Dave we on tour and we're in we in Cleveland 1:39:56.439 --> 1:39:59.200 and we got a show in Columbus the next day. 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:01.720 And this little girl. She keeps looking or whatever, and 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:03.559 then Rich Paul walks in. I'm like, oh shit, Rich 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:05.519 was good. Nobody knew what Rich looked like at that time, 1:40:05.560 --> 1:40:07.960 like that unless you really really right. So I chop 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.000 it up a Rich you know. He's like, Yo, that's 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:11.599 my daughter. He's like, yo, could she take a picture 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:14.479 with Dave. I'm like, yeah, they take a picture. So 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:16.360 he like, Yo, what y'all doing tonight? I'm like, yeah, 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:17.840 we about to go to Columbus. We got a show. 1:40:17.840 --> 1:40:19.280 He like, man, come to the game. I think I 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:21.040 think they might have been down one. I think it was. 1:40:21.160 --> 1:40:23.840 I think they was down though. Was they down? Was 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:25.760 it three? It wasn't three to one? I can't I 1:40:25.800 --> 1:40:27.800 can't remember what the series was at. But they was 1:40:27.840 --> 1:40:29.080 at home. And he's like, yo, come to the game 1:40:29.120 --> 1:40:30.840 to night. I'm like, nah, because the show that we 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:32.400 had he was getting some bread. I'm not missing that 1:40:32.760 --> 1:40:34.640 the show. I needed that show. So he's like, all right, 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:36.280 but that we could have went to that fucking we 1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:38.360 could have went to that that ship, bro. But also 1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:39.960 it's like, we had like how many peoples with us, 1:40:39.960 --> 1:40:44.320 like fifteen people. I don't think anyone's ever faced harder 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.760 competition in the finals than Lebron. Yes and no, so well, 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:50.360 yes and no, because you know what people people always like, Oh, 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:52.439 Michael jord play against Jeff Wrna Sack, you know what 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:54.840 I mean. It's like, but John Stocked the one of 1:40:54.840 --> 1:40:56.640 the toughest white boys in touch a basket. I just 1:40:56.720 --> 1:40:59.040 but I just think of like Lebron had to go 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:03.800 against the first era of the peak Spurs in seven, right, 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:08.880 then he had to go against Kawhi Spurs. This is 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:13.360 what the heat. Then then against the Warriors. They wasn't 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:16.120 Kawhi Spurs when they won. Yeah, but Kawhi was that 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:18.680 motherfucker it was, But they wasn't. They wasn't like we 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:21.799 nobody even thought that Kawhi. So he played the Spurs 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:25.800 three times in the finals, he played the thunder that 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:30.439 had three future MVPs. OKC is the worst basketball organization 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:31.920 of all time. The fact they never got a ring 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:34.200 is crazy. Not even that, bro not even that. The 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:36.840 fact that they paid Sergey Bakab but instead of James 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:40.120 James for two million dollars, James Harden went sixty sixty 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:42.280 five and they offered him sixty three. And they said 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:45.479 that they didn't want a decision in Oklahoma City and 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:47.000 they let him go. But think about it. So he 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:49.840 played that team, which in retrospect is one of the 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:53.840 most talented rosters ever. Now they had Reggie Jackson on 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:55.759 that It was mad people in that team, the Warriors 1:41:55.800 --> 1:42:00.320 four straight years three No, it was four, right, it 1:42:00.400 --> 1:42:03.600 was four. It was four. Yeah, so four lost and 1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.320 then they won and then they lost again twice. Mind you. 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:09.840 The first year that he lost, Kyrie and Love weren't playing. 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:12.880 He had Matthew him the m v P. Anyway, and 1:42:12.880 --> 1:42:15.080 Andrea Goodala you got the m v P because Steph 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:17.599 was kind of whatever. And look, step that's the one 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:20.760 think about Steph too, Yo, Steph doesn't have never I 1:42:20.880 --> 1:42:23.160 just had this argument with this motherfucker. Only does he 1:42:23.240 --> 1:42:25.599 not but listen, but I love Steph Curry. That only 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:27.640 does he never got a finals MVP. Only does he 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:30.640 have done? I have a finals MVP. He doesn't. He 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:32.280 has a lot of clutch shots in the season, he 1:42:32.280 --> 1:42:35.080 don't have those in the finals. Just was yelling at 1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:39.040 this motherfucker about them. He's not the goat. He's not. 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:41.960 He's changed the worst. He's the most influent. I think 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:46.440 Steph Curry, And I'm not talking about culture. He's the greatest. 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:50.000 I don't know if anyone's ever influenced the way basketball's 1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:54.799 played like he has. Yes, who Michael Jordan, Bro, But 1:42:54.800 --> 1:42:57.559 but think about the last eight years. No, the whole 1:42:57.600 --> 1:42:59.839 game has changed with the way people should get analyst, 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.280 you play me in the way people played play ball 1:43:02.320 --> 1:43:04.200 when he was a kid. Yeah, Bro, do you remember 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:05.560 the trouble you would get in if you shot a 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:08.800 fucking three? You would get your coach on your head. Yo, 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:11.360 not even on a fast break, because nobody shot threes 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:13.000 on fast breaks. But I'm talking about I remember when 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:17.040 General as a bad shot and I shot a three 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:18.720 from the corner. I did, and it was in the 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:21.000 first quarter. I didn't play again the whole game now, 1:43:21.080 --> 1:43:23.639 and I almost made it. I almost made the ship. 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:26.759 He's just created a whole He's changed basketball. He has, 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:28.880 I think more than anyone as far as just how 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:32.960 it's lell how it's played. Yes, I'm gonna tell you 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:38.160 how because because of Lebron James and Lebron's Lebron's my 1:43:38.240 --> 1:43:41.920 personal favorite player ever. Because of Lebron James being the height, 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:44.640 he's the size of Carmelone. He's a monster. He's the 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:46.479 size of car malone, and he runs as fast as 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:48.640 Allen Iverson. It's crazy. So that's what I'm saying. So 1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:53.719 after I feel like after Lebron is when AAU, because 1:43:53.720 --> 1:43:56.200 you know, the ship is a ground up business. Where 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:58.360 AAU started looking at kids because when we were kids, 1:43:58.360 --> 1:43:59.960 if he was the tallest kid or you was tall, 1:44:00.080 --> 1:44:02.320 is standing in and do this jump up and down 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:04.880 catch re bounds. You can't even take a shot for real, 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:08.200 right facts Now the big man has to know how 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:10.000 to dribble down, the big man has to know how 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:12.160 to pass. They train the kids to know everything. And 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:15.240 I think that that's because Lebron. That's fair, that's fair. 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:17.920 That's because Lebron. I always say, if I ask somebody 1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:20.160 who's the greatest of all time and their answer isn't 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:22.320 either Michael Jordan or Lebron James, then they don't know 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:24.559 what the fuck they're talking about, right, because who else 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:27.880 is a Kareem maybe? And I don't give a fuck 1:44:27.920 --> 1:44:32.120 what people think about the feelings of this situation. Kevin 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:34.920 Durant might go down as the greatest scorer. I think 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:38.720 him or James Harden James Harden too, but Kevin. The 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:41.760 thing about Kevin Durant is I think the only edge 1:44:41.760 --> 1:44:45.080 he has on on James is his height because at 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:47.639 his height, he's another one that changed the game too, 1:44:48.160 --> 1:44:51.000 where Au started looking at kids like, oh now, we 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:53.400 gotta start telling these kids. You know what I mean, 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:55.840 it's crazy to think that we're like alive to watch 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:57.760 both of them play at the same time. Hard like 1:44:58.120 --> 1:44:59.880 probably the two they're gonna probably go down to two 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:05.799 to scorn. But that's why Braun is like people, well, Kobe, 1:45:06.240 --> 1:45:10.000 That's why I always quate Wayne to Kobe because Wayne, 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:15.760 I mean, Broun has played in so Broun Drake Yeah, okay, absolutely, 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:19.719 j Jordan, yeah yeah, but Bron Wayne is definitely Kobe 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:23.240 because Wayne Wayne got a song that's enough. Nobody can 1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:26.040 do a verses against Wayne. Bro, It's impossible. You can't know. 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:29.880 Don't tell me, no, Bro. I was at the Drake 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:31.479 versus Wayne to it and I was like, Damn, Drake 1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:34.720 got wayboard just joints. But Bro, I don't know who 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:37.400 selected his records, but Bro, but Wayne has a record, 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:39.479 and think about basketball, No, he's got a record in 1:45:39.560 --> 1:45:42.719 every real quick real quick think about basketball. Think about 1:45:42.720 --> 1:45:45.800 Wayne's music in every basketball era. No, you're right, hit 1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:48.479 record He's had. He's had records in every era, in 1:45:48.560 --> 1:45:51.280 every era. I do not disagree every era. Bro I 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:54.120 don't like Drake is gonna be the evol version of 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:57.439 Wayne I mean as an artist, is what I mean? 1:45:57.760 --> 1:45:59.880 Who do you think fully healthy? You think the Lakers 1:45:59.880 --> 1:46:01.760 are are taking it this year? If they're fully al 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:05.599 absolutely kd my Man, but dragging that book and ship 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:08.120 and it ain't got J James And there's no defense. 1:46:08.560 --> 1:46:10.840 There's no defense in the NBA period, No but but 1:46:10.840 --> 1:46:13.240 but except for on the Lakers because they're fucking top 1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:15.400 five defensive team without a D and Lebron since since 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:21.200 they've been out. Yo, Frank Vogel, low key, listen, Frank Fogel, 1:46:21.240 --> 1:46:24.479 I was like, but but but nah, he was firing Indiana. 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:27.160 But but That's what I was about to say. If. 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:32.280 I hate the word if, but because there was a 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:34.960 point in time where poor George bro I love Poor 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:37.160 George is my fair play? Not no more Lucat Luca 1:46:37.200 --> 1:46:41.160 the down lucas me and you are fucking I always 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:44.000 tell everybody Luca might go down as the greatest of 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:46.400 all time. Lucas definitely gonna be the greatest white man 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:50.040 to play basketball ever, Like it's year three. But but 1:46:50.040 --> 1:46:52.040 but he gotta win some though he always got he will. 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:57.240 But but but that Pacers team, Bro, they had to 1:46:57.280 --> 1:47:00.560 go up against Miami, they gave him hell. Bro, I 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:02.880 get upset when I'm playing too K online and somebody 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:05.360 picks Miami and I got I get it up set, bro, 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:10.000 because I hate that. But that Indiana team was that 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:13.320 top to bottom. That's when Danny Granger wasn't sweet. Granger 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:16.719 was nice. This was Roy Roy Hibbert was decent before 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:19.320 the big Man was extinct. And and and then remember 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:22.400 when Roy Hibbert found his groove for Lance Stevenson was 1:47:22.439 --> 1:47:26.920 a nice all around hill. Georgia was given the people help, No, no, 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:28.960 the Pacers I remember, I remember I was like legit 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:30.680 scared for Lebron one of those years. I think when 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:32.559 they met in the Eastern Conference finals, I was like 1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:37.519 that ship went with David West. David they fight everybody. 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:40.200 I would like to see David West and uh celebrity 1:47:40.760 --> 1:47:42.760 and and and uh what's the ol g on the 1:47:42.760 --> 1:47:45.680 fucking heat it's been on? There hasling. That would be 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:48.000 a fight that would be a real like I paid 1:47:48.000 --> 1:47:50.360 money to see HASLM versus. Yeah, because that David West 1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:51.920 is like a black belter, So I already got like 1:47:51.960 --> 1:47:54.000 serious might be saying it, but I ain't see no action. 1:47:54.560 --> 1:47:56.880 That's fair man. Well look, man, I appreciate you coming through. 1:47:58.240 --> 1:48:01.080 Your podcast is every Thursday, Every Thursday, hear Me Out 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:04.000 with Wayne. It's on all platforms. Please make sure that 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:07.800 you rate and review. That's important. Rates and reviews are 1:48:07.920 --> 1:48:10.920 very very important. Even more hit the like on the YouTube, 1:48:11.080 --> 1:48:13.320 the likes. Share it. All I really care about is 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:14.840 if you see it and you like it, you should 1:48:14.840 --> 1:48:17.160 like some resonates. Share it, you know what I mean? 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:19.760 Please just share it. My ship is rooted in the 1:48:19.840 --> 1:48:21.880 people because I am one of them. There it is, 1:48:21.920 --> 1:48:24.479 I man. We'll go go go support and Triangle offense 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:27.439 dot com. No, no, no, no no, get your it's not 1:48:27.479 --> 1:48:29.639 out yet. It's not when it's coming, when it comes 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:31.640 with me and you do a little fifteen minutes, you 1:48:31.680 --> 1:48:33.360 know what I mean. We talked some basketball again. It 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:34.599 is because I feel like we could do a whole 1:48:34.600 --> 1:48:36.640 hour with basketball, for sure, But we do that and 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:39.120 we do some Triangle offenship. But the merchants coming. Everybody 1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:41.479 who just if you fuck with Wayne. No, thank you, keV. 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:43.519 I really appreciate it. We're trying to make this happen. 1:48:44.080 --> 1:48:44.639 Thank perfect