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Speaker 1: We have got Wayno on the podcast. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wayno is somebody who you probably know from everyday struggle

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Speaker 1: Special guests. Man, the Homie Waino is here. Brother, Welcome, Welcome. Man.

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Speaker 1: We've been trying to make it happen for a while

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Speaker 1: that it's all good, man, it's all good. Congrats on

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Speaker 1: You could have went a few different ways with like

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Speaker 1: coming out of uh doing every day Struggle. I like

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Speaker 1: Not and not kind of go something similar to what

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Speaker 1: every day Struggle. I'm not trying to minimize nobody who's

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Speaker 1: want to know? I'll take care of course, if it's

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00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 1: something that we all are working to us. But I'm

426
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 1: not just doing that. I'm also not a rapper, that's fair.

427
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm also not a rapper, that's fair. You know, now

428
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 1: that you're on the executive side, you're doing the A

429
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: and R thing for for Asylum, which is under Warner Brothers.

430
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 1: Asylum just got revamped last year because I remember you

431
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 1: years ago, a couple of years okay, okay, okay, because

432
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,320
Speaker 1: before it was like I remember, it's like bun b

433
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 1: and Mike Jones and Mike Jones Webby, Yeah, Boosy was

434
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,639
Speaker 1: dead diplomats at point, That's right. Cam was over there,

435
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: was it? K Killless season was on there? Season over there.

436
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 1: I think the diplomatic community too, is on it. What

437
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: is your kind of thought process of like, because Asylum

438
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: is kind of like there's some independent ish vibes over there,

439
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: even though it's under a major, but you've been in

440
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: the industry for so long. I always tell artists like,

441
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: whenever you're gonna sign, like you know, don't worry about

442
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,119
Speaker 1: the advance as much because I think a lot of

443
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: times people will rush to whoever's got the biggest upfront bag. Yeah,

444
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: so the thing what my fun I was gonna say, Well,

445
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: like to me, like, that's most of the time, it's

446
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: a mistake because if you if you take that back

447
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 1: too early, the deal is probably really shitty and you

448
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta pay that money back. But you

449
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: got to pay all money back, like like, it depends

450
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 1: where you're at in life. It depends on where you're

451
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: in life, because I can't tell I can't tell a

452
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: young brother that assisted that's from Harlem, where I'm from,

453
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: or from Louisiana, or from Orlando or Chicago, in any

454
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 1: place where it's poverty at don't take no money because

455
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what your circumstances is. And when somebody

456
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: waving that in front of you, it's like, shit, what

457
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: am I to do? So I learned this from my

458
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: good friend Steve Carlos STEVEO. Yeah, when you do a deal,

459
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: you got to do a deal, like right now, I'm

460
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: trying to buy a house, right, so good luck. Oh

461
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's crazy. You should wait. I'm waiting. Fucked

462
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: up right now? Is fucked up? You gotta you gotta,

463
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta. The thing is, while it might

464
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: be fucked up for others, I don't have the same

465
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: situation everybody fair enough, So certain things work for me

466
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: that might not work for everybody. You gotta get in

467
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: where you fit in. You got to figure out what

468
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 1: works for you best. When you do a deal, you

469
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: have to do You got to understand first and foremost,

470
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: when you sign a deal, it's not just a deal

471
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: for you. That's a lot of artists think that, like

472
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: when they sign a deal, it's my deal. No, it's

473
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: both parties. It's for both parties. So when you're when

474
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: you when you sign for that bread and you you

475
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: all right, you got you got your your check, you

476
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: could go get your nice car, you watch you have

477
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: a nice night at the club. You can do whatever

478
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, move your mom, whatever the

479
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: case may be. You have to You have to immediately

480
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position or put people around you.

481
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: That's learned that know business or teaching you business, because

482
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: if not, you're gonna get fucked over. It's like if I,

483
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: like were talking about the house. I've been trying to

484
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: buy one for a long time now. But if I

485
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: go sign a bad deal for a house, right, you

486
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: think the bank gives a fuck. They're gonna get this back,

487
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: regardless whether they put my shit in foreclosure. If I

488
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: can't afford it one day and they put my shit

489
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: in foreclosure and somebody buys it out and gets it

490
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: or I pay it off, they gonna get there's the

491
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: big corporation is gonna get this. But you got to

492
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: learn how to work within the system. So I always

493
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: tell people that, like, if you're gonna do a deal,

494
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: it's not about that events, it's about the terms. About

495
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: the terms, it's about what's on paper. If I tell you, keV,

496
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm moving out to La kind of fucked up, but

497
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: I need a place to stay, You're like, you know, wainit. No,

498
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: I got you you come stay. We got this room,

499
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: but you like it ain't no all right? If you ain't,

500
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: if you ain't gonna pay no bills in here. I

501
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: need you to pick my kids from school. I need

502
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: you to wash my cars. I need you to do

503
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: launching on Sundays when I want to go to the

504
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: game and watch the game and shit, And I'm like no,

505
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, now, I ain't doing all that shit. And you,

506
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: like you the one that you need the fucking place

507
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: to stay, not me. So a lot of people don't

508
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: approach it with a certain type of mindset. Also, I

509
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: think it's like based on the leverage, Like you said,

510
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: it's it depends on who you are on your leverage.

511
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: So it's like, I know we've been talking about Gibbs, right,

512
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: So it was like when Gibbs did his deal, I

513
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: don't know none of his business, but I knew that

514
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: when he did a deal with Warner, he had done

515
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: so much groundwork and he puts so much work in

516
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: that he knew that the deal. Like me from the

517
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: outside looking at him, like, oh nah, he gonna be good.

518
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's not taking the deal because he's turned

519
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: out somebody, right, he's taking sense. It makes sense business

520
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: wise for the business he's trying to run. And then

521
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: it's like I can't tell you the amount of kids

522
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: brought I've tried to sign and the deal might not

523
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: be as much money, but it's better on the term side.

524
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: And then they go across the street and sign this

525
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: crazy fucking deal for all his money and nothing ever happens.

526
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: The problem with these artists that they don't know is that,

527
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: like the these are Fortune five hundred companies. They fucking

528
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: When you think of Warner, don't think of Cardi B's

529
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: at Atlantic, think about the intellectual property of Batman in Greenland? Right?

530
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: You think they give a fuck about you streaming? You

531
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: just said you're not even a branch on the tree.

532
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: You a leaf on the tree. Now, if if they

533
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: could keep this business model running and going based on

534
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: how good you do. The thing about it is they

535
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: give you a million dollar deal. Guess what big big

536
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: labels could lose thirty million dollars in the lights ain't

537
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: gonna cut off. The water is still gonna run, It's

538
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: still gonna flush. But you feel special about that million.

539
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: If you get a million dollar deal, I tell all

540
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: of you go, if you fortunate enough to have somebody

541
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: give you a million, which is not a million, they're

542
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna put five hundred thousand in your pocket. You

543
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: got to pay everybody that's in your business. And then

544
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: the other five hundred gonna go to making your project.

545
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: Figure out how to make that five hundred that's working

546
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: towards your project work for you. Get some producers, sign them,

547
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: get a studio, build it. That's what I tell everybody.

548
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, do not let like, like, the biggest

549
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: mistake I see artists doing is like getting into like

550
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: one of the like pair amount and they're in there

551
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: for twelve hours, and half of that time is fucking

552
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: off eating food, smoking, And it's like, yo, like you

553
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: could just you got that budget, take your money and

554
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: make your own spot. Whatever they're paying for, they're paying

555
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: for the brand. It's like it's like I buy, I like,

556
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: I buy. I'm not a big fan of like design

557
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: and shiit, but like every now and like, I like,

558
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: I love Louis Waton trainers, right Joints, that virgies just

559
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: that I love it. It's like one of my favorite

560
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: sneakers right now. But I would never buy a pair

561
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: of Louis Vaitton socks. I don't never buy the socks

562
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: right because I feel like, man, socks ain't that important

563
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: for me to spend eight hundred dollars on right now,

564
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: Sneakers is all subjected I'm not a sneakerhead. I have

565
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: a love for sneakers, two different things different. I'm not

566
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: spending that on but it's people who will buy that

567
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: just so that can show them because they rep in

568
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: a brand. You care so much about the brand and

569
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: brand and brand and brand and brand as opposed to

570
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: getting the work done. And that's the difference in the studio. Shit,

571
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: you can you can record in the same mics as

572
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: the smaller studio as you can in a large studio.

573
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Now the person Noel you can bring in, that's a

574
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: whole different conversation, right, And that's when you start working

575
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: with a major label or not, or you know what

576
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, a production company that comes in and grabs

577
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: a guy or not. Like you gotta you gotta do

578
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: what works best for you. Nobody deals is like social

579
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: Security numbers. Everybody got them. They all different. Yep, that's fair, man,

580
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: that's fair. So let's talk about for people who don't know. Obviously,

581
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: you came into well, you were working in the mail

582
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: room at at the Deaf Jam building originally, right, you

583
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: got fired, got fire, and then you ended up chasing

584
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: down Beanie's mom. You had her number, No, you had

585
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: her number. That's not how I got in though, but okay,

586
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: but you you would, Okay, So how'd you get into

587
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: to Rockefeller? The way I got in the Rockefeller was Onmia.

588
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: I always say this, and I never worked with her

589
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: per se, but omy Ellie McIntosh, she ran Jay Z's

590
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: fan club fan fan Her sister Darren McIntosh worked at Rockefeller.

591
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: They from Brooklyn. They all came up with Jay and

592
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: all of them. What I did was is like I

593
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 1: was the youngest person in the mill room. So I

594
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: was like, I think seventeen or eighteen at the time.

595
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: I was seventeen going on eighteen when I got a

596
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: mill room. So the rest of the milling room is like,

597
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: we got a few rappers in there, you know what

598
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We got to everybody's like twenty five and older.

599
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: But I'm the young guy. So when I come upstairs,

600
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm I'm always I've always had a personality

601
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: to help, and it's been at it's been at my

602
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: my uh, at my advantage and of my detriot. Yeah

603
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: me too. But like so I'm the I'm the kid

604
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: who's like, I'm so inquisitive because I seen a movie

605
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: backstage and now like when I've seen Backstade, I'm seeing

606
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm in the build, I see Tai walking in one

607
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: they I see Leney, I've seeing these people. Part of

608
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: that movie was shot in my hometown in Phoenix, and

609
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I was at that show when I was like wow,

610
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: So I was like I was at that con right, right, right,

611
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: So I went to see it with my friends in

612
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: the movies. But like I'm like, I'm asking everybody like

613
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: how can I like, how can I help? And AMI's like, yo,

614
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's a fan club. So they shipping our

615
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: t shirts, they shipping out CDs whatever that people will

616
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: shout out to the days of fan clubs, to the

617
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: fan clubs, the real fan right, you know what I mean,

618
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: you re real dope ship. You know what I'm saying.

619
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: You got to write a letter to get in the

620
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: fan club. So I would help with shipping. So I

621
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: would help with shipping. Omie used to give me tickets

622
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: to go to like Jay concerts and shit like that.

623
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: And then I built the rapport with like I was

624
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: on the floors that I had was the Royalty Department

625
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: and murdered Ink was on that floor because there was

626
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: a Universal building. And then you had what was the

627
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: other floors. I had to bring a lot of in

628
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: the office because people wasn't using the email like that.

629
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: So it's in an office mail so it'd be like

630
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: only be like, yo, take the second floor. Yeah, take

631
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: this to my sister at Rockefeller right now. So I

632
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: go up the Rockefeller go up there. And I had

633
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: built a rapport with them to where I had after

634
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: I got fired from the mail room and I was

635
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out my next steps. I was working

636
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: at a little sneaker store on my hood and all

637
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: that shit, and I quit that after I try I'm like, yo,

638
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I need to do this music shit. I just hit

639
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: people up, like yo, can I. I didn't know what

640
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: the internship was. Ro dropped out high school in ninth grade,

641
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: so I didn't know. I didn't know what career even meant.

642
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: So I was just like, yo, can I help. I

643
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: just helped, and I just sat around in the mill room.

644
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: He was like the intern without even knowing he was

645
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: the intern I was. I was just sitting in the office.

646
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: And then I was sitting in the office, just sitting

647
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: there doing whatever. Go get the food, Go get the sneakers,

648
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: go get whatever, and then I got an internship, and

649
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: then the internship ran a little bit. The beanie calling

650
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: his mom shit that happened within that, and then I

651
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: ended up getting assistant in office. I was working on

652
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: my man they face Gary Wow, who he just started

653
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the podcast, but he was what a damon bigs homies

654
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: that he grew up with from down Sam Manhattan Ship.

655
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: The days of interning and like really like really just

656
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: like looking down and work, because that's how I got

657
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: into it. I worked for free for two years of

658
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the radio station before I got like actually on the radio.

659
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, you gotta put your work in. But

660
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: that shit is gone. Man. You know these kids because

661
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: we're like entitlement generation is in full effect, no super entitlement.

662
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: And I mean everybody needs to get money or they

663
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: got to see immediate payoff or they're not. They're like yoah,

664
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: that shit is crazy. That's why I don't be like,

665
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: like my kids ship they get shipped. But then I'd

666
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: be like, man, I ain't giving y'all like that, gotta

667
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: work for that. Like this ship is an incentivized and

668
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: your allowance is an incentivized business. Allowance is a business.

669
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: For me. What I'm saying like, my business manager has

670
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: to cut my kids allowance. So it's like, oh, you

671
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: you're not cleaning up. You're not cleaning up, you ain't

672
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: cleaning your room, or you didn't take out the garbage,

673
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: and now your allowance is not enough of you to

674
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: get them piers of sneakers. So now you want me

675
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: to go buy your pier sneakers. Now I ain't doing

676
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: that ship fun that fuck that you got work for

677
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: yours all day. Man. So once you got into the

678
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: A and R position, I know you said, you know,

679
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: I think state property. I always. I got to interview

680
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: being a couple of years ago, and that was like

681
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: a real highlight for me because he was kind of

682
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: exactly who I thought he was going to be. One

683
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: of did not disappoint. And then even like I just

684
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: had Young Chris on the show last My Dog. Yeah,

685
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: he came in freestyle called a body. He's you know,

686
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: he's one of the best that ever do that. Bro.

687
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: He came while while they came up to the station, Yeah,

688
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: Young Chris with him, and I was like, while, he's

689
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: my guy, but I was like, yo, fucking young Chris.

690
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Low Key so influential is mixtape run so underrated, Like

691
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: those mixtapes that he put out, like kind of post

692
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: the Rockefeller Error were so underrated. That was that was.

693
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: That was me and him, man, because I was telling them,

694
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: I was telling them about you, brother. I was telling

695
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: them about the mixtape ship. Nobody listening. Fifty Cent came

696
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: and did all the ship. Then I was telling him

697
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: about the internet shit I was on. I was on

698
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: all hip hop. I was on sohh. I was in

699
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the forums, you know what I mean. I used to be.

700
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I learned forum shit by forum days. I was on

701
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: the first while I learned forums before I got into

702
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: music was being on Nike Talk, Yeah, Nike to. I

703
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: used to be in there talking about sneakers and ship.

704
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Do you remember the forum of Realist nwords dot com. Yeah,

705
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: oh my god. I got all my mixtapes and albums

706
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: off of there. That like when I started bootlegging mixtapes

707
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: and CDs when I was like sixteen at the swap meet,

708
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I got everything off of there. Yeah yeah, yeah, bro.

709
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: The admin's name was Porky. He had all the ship. Yeah.

710
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: I know. I learned a lot of but that ship

711
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: was like I was always I was like the real

712
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: early hip hop Internet day, Okay, player chat rooms and

713
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: shit all that shit. Bro, man, Yo, they because they

714
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: had forums on Black Planet day like people would be

715
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: on social media, but they didn't know that they had

716
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: forums for shit. So you go on. I used to

717
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: be in the Yahoo when I'm fifteen. I was in

718
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: Yahoo those chat rooms. I was buying Jordan's online when

719
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: I was like fourteen years old. Bro, there was like

720
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: a whole chat room era of just like my childhood.

721
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Like my older cousin was like nineteen and he was

722
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: getting pussy off of chat rooms. It got wow wow bro.

723
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: And you can't even send pictures check to mill you

724
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: a picture? Yeah, that ship is crazy. Nah. But your

725
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: run with Rockefeller, you were kind of what year did

726
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you officially start, Like, were you like actually started to

727
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: get a check from Rockefeller? What year was that? Two

728
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: thousand and two? Like the end of two thousand and two,

729
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: but I was there like two thousand, I think, like

730
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: around the end of two thousand and one. And also

731
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I got a credit Shary Bryant, she's the president of

732
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: the Rock Nation right now. But me and Shary is

733
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: close to age, you know what I mean. She is

734
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: like a year or two younger than me, but not

735
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: at but but but Shary Bro Shary was she was

736
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: like an assistant to Carlen who was Dame j and

737
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Biggs assistant and she was a kid and she was

738
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: running ship bro and like that was the person I called.

739
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: But Shary is from Harlem, so that was the person

740
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I called. And Axek just come in to to the office

741
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: and help. And she gave me she opened up that

742
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: door for me. Wow. I mean she told me like, yeah,

743
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: come in. I pissed off mad times though because I

744
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: was doing it I was supposed to be doing but

745
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: it worked out in it. I feel like you were

746
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of around the era of when like there was

747
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: probably some background issues maybe starting to fester because I

748
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: mean Fellers, But we didn't, Bro, We really found that

749
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: shit out like in the media. We didn't. Like, we

750
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: didn't we had no idea. Like because I tell you

751
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: one thing, Bro, like one thing about Rockefeller. That shit

752
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: was like it really was like a family if you

753
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: was really because you had the people that worked there,

754
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: and then you had the people who was like not

755
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: too much like family, and you had the people that

756
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: was really like family. Family, Like we was really tight

757
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: knit and like I would be around Dame and Beans

758
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: because we had were doing when we shooting Stay Property too.

759
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm with Beans every single day, you know what I mean,

760
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: because I ended up becoming from being an an R

761
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: being like his personal assistant slash and R. So I'm

762
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: around him all day and Dame is there and Bigs

763
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and we laughing, joking, and then later on that night,

764
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: I might have got to go Toline and I see

765
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Jay and bleaking them and it's the same type of love.

766
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: And I'm a kid, so I'm green. I'm just like

767
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven, bro, Like these are dudes that I

768
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: watched growing up and now I'm working with them. So

769
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: it's like you never think it's gonna end, you know

770
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. So did you see that obviously? I

771
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: mean the Drink Champs interview with Cam was pretty legendary

772
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: to Yeah, Cam, that's another Cam was a person that

773
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity to bro. Oh really, yeah, I

774
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: don't think I was, but Cam, like one day I

775
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: was in the office and Cam he walked in the

776
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: office and like him and Jim walked in the office

777
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: at the same time, and they look like they just

778
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: arguing and some shit. Yeah, and then he was like.

779
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, shorty, can't turn to me. He's like, yo, shorty,

780
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: how much money you make at Rockefeller a week? I

781
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: said two hundred dollars. He's like, come to diplomats like

782
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: you four hundred. I was like all right, like immedia.

783
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, bro. So I get back

784
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: to my block that night, I'm telling everybody, yo, this

785
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: one come home with me is out and I'm from Harlem. Yeah.

786
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: So I got this tattoo on my hand because Kim

787
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: had diplomat on his hand, just keeping it full disclosed,

788
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I was influenced by

789
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: these court So I get to the hood and I'm

790
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: telling everybody old Ca and gave me his number that

791
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm calling him a hundred times and he ain't answered.

792
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: But what had got me this ship with Cam was

793
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: my mom was a job developer. So she worked at

794
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: this company in the hood that like helped people in

795
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: the hood get skills to go on job interviews. So

796
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: you you come into this program, you don't know how

797
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: to talk, you know, know, how I look a person

798
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: in their eyes, shake their hand. They teach you all

799
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: of that. They teaching you like skills like word word, uh,

800
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: whatever that ship is. I don't even know Microsoft word

801
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: all that ship. And this dude that he had helped

802
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: with he had came home from from jail, was like

803
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: an older dude from Cam Block, so he would always

804
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: he knew me because I used to come come after,

805
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, after school, go see my mom, get some

806
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: money for lunch, shit like that. And one day he

807
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: asked me, like what I'm doing and I told him

808
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: and he's like, Kim told you, how are you. I'm

809
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: like yeah. He called Caim and he called and Kim

810
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: answered because I was calling him a hundred times, and

811
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: he called Kim and Kim answered, and he was like, Yo,

812
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: you know that kid that you met up at Rockefeller's

813
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: name ain't no. I had braids at the time he

814
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: got the Brais's like yeah, yeah, He's like yo, he

815
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: like look out for him. His mom looked out for me.

816
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: He was like I got you, I got you. And

817
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: that's how like Caim he ended up calling me. I

818
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: was working for diplomats for like two months wow, and

819
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: went back to Rockefeller. It was like I was doing well.

820
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: He had told like Cam had told the story in

821
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: the drink Champs that there might have been some sort

822
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: of animosity between him and Beanie. It was like, bro,

823
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: is that something you being so close to being? Like,

824
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: was that something that was real? Hell yeah, bro, they was, Yo,

825
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: let me tell you something all right. Look, so you

826
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: see how like right now, like Drake is the best,

827
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: like he great at subs, like he great at like

828
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: underlying ship. Yeah he might him and Hope might be

829
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: the two best. Yes, like you got to study that, bro,

830
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: Jay was the best. It's ship that I could tell

831
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: you that Jay talking about people that you would never

832
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: know because he used to tell like Chris Young. Chris

833
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: was really close to Ja, so he would hear some

834
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: people might say Jay got some flow, but listen, everybody

835
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: get me of course, of course, of course, but look

836
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: he would Chris would be like yo, like we'd being

837
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: in the in the room and J player ship and

838
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: then he'd go tell Chris some and chrisy be like, yo,

839
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: Jay said that line is about such and such a

840
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: So they was always throwing shots and ship, you know

841
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: what I mean, like little subtle shit. But yeah, it

842
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: ended up coming to a head, bro, because like, like no,

843
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: they didn't really know that like a lot of people

844
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: at Rockefeller didn't know. Jay didn't know I was from

845
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Harlem until I got the tached on my hand because

846
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: I used to be a christ of them all the time.

847
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I thought you was from Philly. So my

848
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: nickname was Hall in Philly. Yeah, they used to call

849
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: they didn't give me that nickname. It was Hall in

850
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: Philly because I used to be with the Philly dudes

851
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: all the time. But like it got a little when

852
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: he was Cam's right when it when it came to

853
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: that that executive position. Yeah, Beans wasn't jagging a ship.

854
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was, but yeah, because it seemed as

855
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: if nobody, like like Cam be in the getting that

856
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: position at Rockefeller kind of hit everybody out of it.

857
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean it would, yeah, it definitely would. Like you think,

858
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: all right, Bean's been here since ninety eight. Yeah, bleak

859
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: been there since before they had the logo. You know

860
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And here cut Kim. He been here

861
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: for two years. But Camp, I ain't gonna lie, and

862
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Cam turned that ship up. Cam took full advantage of

863
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: his opportunity, you know what I mean. He took that

864
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: shit he was saying about how they made the office.

865
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: He made his own office, Like even even down to

866
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: coming in the office and ask me how much I

867
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: may get paid and he's like, I give you four

868
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. And then I was in his I would

869
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: come to his crib. He had a crib in Jersey.

870
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to like this condo he had

871
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: in Jersey and just burn CDs all day. Wow, you

872
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: know I mean mixtape, Yeah, the Diplomat mixtapes. I was burnt.

873
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: If you had a Diplomat mix tape, I probably burned

874
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: at least five thousand. You have the Tower, Yeah, the Tower, Yeah, Duke.

875
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: The guy had all them shits, like five of them

876
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: ships and they burning five at a time. And I'm

877
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: just but they got boring for me. I wanted to

878
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: be in the studio. So that's why I kind of

879
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: gave up on that ship. But you know, yeah, like

880
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Cam turn that shit up for two years, and now

881
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Somebody come. They put the work in

882
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: on the executive side where you break. Cam put Joel's

883
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: on his first single, his first two singles like if

884
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: you Wasn't from Harlem, listening to the DJ clue in

885
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: case Lay and Fucking who Else. Around that time, I

886
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: can't remember with DJ Envy, you didn't know who Jewell's

887
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: was like that, you know what I mean. But he

888
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: put him because Juel's Jewels was known for rapping in

889
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: the hood, you know what I mean. But he put

890
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: duels on on and broke him as an artist before

891
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: he had his first single. So he's doing the executive

892
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: side of things. So yeah, he deserved that position. But

893
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: that's a hard phillis well when you're Beans and yeah,

894
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: yeah you said that you were roommates when you live

895
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: with Beanie when he was on house arrest, and I

896
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: always have the shots and I got DJ Damagees from Philly.

897
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: We'll always butt heads on the Greatest of All Time

898
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: talks and he'll always put Beanie like in his top

899
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: ten and I'm like, bro, You're from Philly, so I

900
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: respect it and listen and listen like Beanie's got classics,

901
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: and I think he's historically underrated. In that conversation, absolutely,

902
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Derek Angeletti said the really ship about Beans one time.

903
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, he like a real life dinosaur. He

904
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: like you know how like you hear about it like

905
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: you hear his stories about the dinosaur. But if that

906
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: ship if a Raptor walked in his room right now,

907
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: everybody be like, oh shit, that's that's it. He's like

908
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: that's who he is. He like he a really like

909
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: not that and so you know how the Balancer of

910
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: he was like he old and not nothing like that.

911
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: He just was like it's like a myth until you

912
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: meet him. And I bro the what's that the Public

913
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Enemy mixtape? I remember that Green Lantern was the DJ,

914
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: right yeah, I got yeah, I did that mixtape. I

915
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: learned I saw I saw that mixtape with the Swami.

916
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: I learned how to how I got my name bout

917
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: leg and everybody. We was in a crib. That's we

918
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: was in a crib and we was like I had

919
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: learned how to record, right like I learned pro tow.

920
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Its just the basics of it. And he had this

921
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: freestyle of a Public Enemy beat. And then I was

922
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: just sitting in the crib one day and I was like, Yo,

923
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: you should call your ship like public Enemy. I said,

924
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: we should make like the It was a picture that

925
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: he we did for like a state property photo shoot,

926
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: and it was like it almost mimicked like the what

927
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: was that the Public Enemy logo? I was like, we

928
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: should make it like the logo, but just have you

929
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: in the joint. And he was like, all right, we're

930
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: gonna do it. And then the reason why we did

931
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: the ship with green Land is because we was listening

932
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: to champions Hit every day Green Lanterns mixtape, but him

933
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: and him and Kiss had in rec side. But Bro,

934
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: we was listening Beans. We just listening that shit every day.

935
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Beings like, yah, I gotta, I gotta, I'll do kiss

936
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Bro Like He's like, Yo, this kisshit is crazy. We gotta.

937
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: So we did. We did that, and I an artist,

938
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: you know I have a great make me and the crib.

939
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: You me and him in the crib? Bro? What because

940
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: that was uh, you know, I don't know what it

941
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: what it was about Beans? You know, I know he

942
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: had some issues with his voice later on, but like

943
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, he had his legal problems, but it seems

944
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: like shit just kind of hit a wall for Beanie.

945
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to like his career. I

946
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: think that the Rockefeller split up. I think well, I'll

947
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: say I'll say honestly, Bro, and Beans like he'll respect

948
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: this because like I love him, bro, like I'm Muslim.

949
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I took my ship hot to his living room, Like

950
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: that's how close we are. We might not see each

951
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: other the time, but that's my brother life. I say,

952
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: from my perspective is that he never really took the

953
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: time to learn the business. Now, he was a great

954
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: asset to the business, but as far as like, I

955
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: always had this thing in my mind where I felt

956
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: like when Jay said he got rid of was gonna

957
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: get rid of Rockefeller, he would have gave all the

958
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Philly he loved him bro Like, I seen Jay show

959
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: more favoritism to the Philly dudes than the Brooklyn dudes sometimes,

960
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, through like bleak Lives, I

961
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: have felt that way. Though from a fan's perspective, I

962
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: think Jay was just he really loved like the grittiness

963
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: of their rap style and how real it was and

964
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: their perspective. But think about it, everyone, I mean, young

965
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: young guns dropped out, Freeway dropped out, like you know,

966
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: I think I just think that beans and then not.

967
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to just say he didn't learn it.

968
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, he didn't have I can't

969
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: say he didn't have the right personnel because it's people

970
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: that I know that was around him. But again, I

971
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: was a kid at that time. I can't speak for

972
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: how they was handling business because I just when I

973
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be in the room, I walk out.

974
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Still to this day, Bro, if I if I came

975
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: into your studio and you was having a conversation, I

976
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: don't even walk in the room. I know, like if

977
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: you tell, if you give me the if I if

978
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: it's permissible for me to be there, I'll be there.

979
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: But I stayed at my place. So a lot of

980
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: shit that was going on. When certain conversations be had,

981
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: I walk out because it ain't my place to be

982
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: in there. So I yeah, I think with beans, at

983
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: least from a fan's perspective perspective, it just kind of

984
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: felt like he didn't leave the streets all the way alone.

985
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: And that's another to his detriment. Possibly this is why

986
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: I be saying about the streets. Man, it's like we

987
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: you love the streets when you've growing up, well when

988
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: you when you're young, and like if you live in

989
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: that life, but when you get older. But I guarantee

990
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody and I got you. I got homies that like

991
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: did fifteen years in prison, biggest gangster in the jail,

992
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: biggest gangster in the street and they like, man, I'm

993
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: not doing no like I made a mistake. What I mean,

994
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: I can't change it. But that shit is a mistake, Bro,

995
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: and I and the marketing aspect of music that involves

996
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: the streets is it looks it looks cool, it looks

997
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: cool to you facing and and also it helps sell records.

998
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: It does, but it does. But I don't know, Man,

999
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: that shit is. Music is a hard thing for me

1000
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: to deal with sometimes cause I be feeling like sometimes

1001
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm a part of the shit that I

1002
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: don't agree with a lot. Because as much as I'm

1003
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: saying all of this like righteous sound and shit, I

1004
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: still love songs about people killing people, of course, you

1005
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I just I don't know.

1006
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: It's like, you know when people say, oh you, what's

1007
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: the word contradicting? Being contradicted and being a hypocrite, hypocritical shit,

1008
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: being a hypocrite. I feel like that's almost a part

1009
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: of being human, because like you feel different times, you

1010
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: feel different ways of different times. You don't always Sometimes, Bro,

1011
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: I wake up and I want the world to end,

1012
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: and sometimes I want to save the world, you know

1013
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: what I mean? But it's just how I deal with it,

1014
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: especially being in the music industry. Like it said, you

1015
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: could totally feel that, like man, like you know, I

1016
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: don't like the way this shit is going, but still

1017
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: enjoy a record that like the Pop Smoke shit bro

1018
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: That shit made me not want to sign no gang

1019
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: banger ever again. I never I mean I didn't sign

1020
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: Pop Smoke, but the guys that he was signed to,

1021
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: like Rico Beats, that's one of my closest in music,

1022
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: like and beyond music. That's my man. Like he a producer,

1023
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: but me and Rico we met at a time before

1024
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I even met East, and we was trying to like

1025
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: we just befriended each other and we was trying to

1026
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: figure out what I thing was gonna be. And then

1027
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: I had got East. He still was producing, he had

1028
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: got his job at Death Gym. We signed a few acts,

1029
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: they didn't work. Shit was And then when he found Pop,

1030
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: it felt like a win for me because seeing him

1031
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: so happy and seeing him now he's buying jewelry every week.

1032
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: It was such a celebration. And then like I only

1033
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: met Pop one time, but like I had a conversation

1034
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: with him in a DM one time, and like just

1035
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: seeing the trajectory he was on, and he saluted me

1036
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: forgetting the job at Asylumn. He like, yo, big bro,

1037
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Like that's amazing because he told me he was to

1038
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: watch every day struggle. He's like, that's dope. And it's

1039
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: that third when that shit happened with him. I didn't

1040
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: even know the kid personally, but that shit happened, I

1041
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: was like, all right, what are we doing with And

1042
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: to be fair, he didn't even get killed over no

1043
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: gang shit, no, but he got killed from that lifestyle lifestyle.

1044
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: So it's just like, what the fuck are we What

1045
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: are your yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts about?

1046
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: You know? Because right now I just I just spent

1047
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: the whole week out New York and I was shooting

1048
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: with Dusty Locine, Ross Wish and Ron Suno. But the

1049
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: whole Brooklyn gang ship is crazy, bro. I mean, I'll

1050
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: tell you this. When it comes to gangs, Brooklyn always

1051
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: been crazy because like when when Blood, like when Blood

1052
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: popped off in New York and Cribbman popped off in

1053
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: New York, like first of all in New York. But

1054
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: these guys are getting like like if you listen to

1055
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: these records like between the the woo's and the and

1056
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: all that shit. I don't know. So look, I'm just

1057
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: speaking like from when I was when I was a teenager, bro,

1058
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: Like if you was a crip in New York, it

1059
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: was tough because New York is a blood like you know, Yeah,

1060
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I always think of New York as like wrong. I

1061
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: just think of Jim Jones like l A. L A

1062
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: is a cryp for sure, city New York. But the

1063
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: thing about the ship in New York is in prison,

1064
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: bloods run everything. Crips ain't the same with the crip.

1065
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: So the thing is is like for me on the

1066
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: outside looking in, I see what I seen in the

1067
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: nineties now, like in the nineties when game ship popped

1068
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: off in New York because it was coming from out

1069
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: of jails. Bloods came from out of jail. When it

1070
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: came to the streets, it was bad because the people

1071
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: was adapting a jail mentality before going to jail, so

1072
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: and and how they acted militant all that shit. And

1073
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: then like seeing these kids now, I just be like, yo, bro,

1074
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: even when I think about these like when when I

1075
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: be talking to dudes from from La Yeah, and like

1076
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: some of them like they they gangsters respect gangsters around glow,

1077
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: but like they a lot of them that don't jack,

1078
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: like you know, bloods or crips over there. I'd be like, Yo,

1079
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: that's y'all fault. Like that's your kids, bro, Like that's

1080
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: that's offspring of you. So it's like seeing this ship, bro,

1081
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: it just a lot of it rubs me the wrong way.

1082
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: In Brooklyn, you got little kids getting hit with strays

1083
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: and ship. That shit just happened while we were out there.

1084
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: We were just in uh where where did it happen at? No, No,

1085
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: I was in Brooklyn. There was some some some kid

1086
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: got hit. There was a shootout and some I think

1087
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: little girl in the chest, yeah right, little boys something Yeah,

1088
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: right outside of a liquor store. Oh no, bro. But

1089
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like I don't know because you know,

1090
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't sit on like I'm born in

1091
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: eighty two. My generation be acting like we sit on

1092
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: this this pedestal where we had everything right when we didn't.

1093
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, of course there was just not social media.

1094
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: It was not social media. But it's like even the

1095
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: rationalization of like why things were done, it's still don't

1096
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: make no sense. But it's like now, it's like it's

1097
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: even I think it's even worse now because it's like

1098
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: the name recognition amongst your peers. I got a fourteen

1099
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: I got a ninety year old daughter. I got a

1100
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: fourteen year old son. So it's like I be telling

1101
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: my son all the time, bro, like like our a

1102
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: friend that went to jail for attempting murder and he

1103
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: just was telling me, he like, owayne, I belonged to

1104
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: myself for the first time. He just got off of

1105
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: papers and he like, I just I belong to myself

1106
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: for the first three years. How crazy is that? And

1107
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm telling my son, I'm like, Yo, do you hear it?

1108
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I say, Bro, I tell my son, like, yo, he

1109
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: shot somebody when he was eighteen and he's just forty

1110
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: and he's now finally free of the system. He's forty. Bro.

1111
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't, that's not a path you see

1112
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: because his friend, Yo, Bro, my son certain kids that

1113
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: was on his basketball au team. I didn't see any

1114
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: instagrams they be carrying him as this shit. I'm be like,

1115
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: this is crazy fuck And I don't even know why,

1116
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: but I know that a lot It plays into the

1117
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: music and the lifestyle. And it's a lot of misinformation

1118
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: that that spread. I mean, it's a lot of misinformation.

1119
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: I just be trying to do my part because I

1120
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: feel like you change the world by changing one person's perspective.

1121
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: Is that something that you still kind of carry with

1122
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: you as far as like the type of artists you

1123
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: look to look to sign because you said, like after

1124
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Pop had died, you kind of were like, I don't

1125
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: want to but I love authenticity. You also want to

1126
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: do your job. I want to do my job, but

1127
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: that's the tough thing about being in the music. You

1128
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: gotta do it all. Yeah, you got it. Like now.

1129
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: At the same time, like from a business standpoint, the

1130
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: problem with businessman. Business ain't got nothing to do with

1131
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: feelings or morals. There's nothing to do with morals, has

1132
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: nothing to do with feelings because the same like, that's

1133
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: why people that be vegan be tweaking out about chickens,

1134
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: you feel me like, because they feelings and their morals

1135
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: is in it when they're talking about life. Some people

1136
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: don't think like that, but I feel like rap is

1137
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: almost like a fucking slaughter house. Yeah, it's crazy, it is,

1138
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: bro it is because it's like I'll just be on

1139
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: some ship like this, Like I'll be trying to tell

1140
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: every young artist that I know be in the street.

1141
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yo, listen, bro, Like you don't want

1142
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 1: to go down that path. Bro. Like even with beans

1143
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: when he got the shot that he took that he

1144
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: lost his voice, it wasn't even intended for him. Were

1145
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: you around at that time? I wasn't around him at

1146
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: that time. I mean we always, I always, I always

1147
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: speak to him. I speak to him once a year

1148
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: at least, But like, I wasn't around him at that time.

1149
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I'm also like younger than him, so like I mean

1150
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: he did. I didn't really have too much influence on

1151
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: telling him what to do, of course, But at the

1152
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: same time, it's like that wasn't even intended for him.

1153
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: But you see how shit happens just being around that ship.

1154
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: You never know. You can wake up to you can

1155
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: wake up today and it could be you gotta you

1156
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: gotta watch, you gotta watch the You gotta watch what

1157
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: you put out in his world. Bro, you gotta watch

1158
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: what you put out in his world. That's a fact.

1159
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Were you around during the Kiss Beanie ship? Yeah, you

1160
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: know the craziest shit is I always, I mean, listen,

1161
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: oh wow, I always. I've talked to Kiss about it.

1162
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: I've talked to Beanie about it, and I always say

1163
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: that that's probably the closest back and forth because I

1164
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: depending on where someone's from or who you ask or

1165
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: who they're I thought both of them one. I thought

1166
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: that we was going to die or we was gonna

1167
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: kill one of them. I switched because at the end,

1168
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: because because at that time, nobody was realer than Beanie Siegull.

1169
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: Let me on the Locks and Yonkers. Beans. I love Beans.

1170
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Beans had us train us the Young Guns like I was.

1171
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: You could basically say the Young Guns was a gang

1172
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: within state property bro because they was from their own

1173
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: part of town in Philly. They had us train Bro

1174
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: like like Beans had us trained and I. I used

1175
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: to really sit here, like, oh, Jade, Kiss is one

1176
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: of my favorite reps, Like the Locks broke. I don't

1177
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: know the man I would be without the Locks. Real

1178
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: ship I'm talking about we all the streets is like

1179
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: the words is in my DNA and who I am

1180
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: as a person, So like I used to be sitting

1181
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: here like we had a we had a we had

1182
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: a situation one time with them though happened. We was

1183
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: in you remember Sonny, she used to be on ninety seven.

1184
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: She's Sunday like h G TV show food and all that.

1185
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: But Sonny had a birthday party in Brooklyn and and

1186
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: she had this birthday party in Brooklyn and Jada was

1187
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: hosting it. But she wanted the young guys at the time,

1188
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: we had can Start, Won't Stop, so we they was

1189
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: hot that everybody was booking them, so she wanted to

1190
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: do Can't Start, Won't Stop. So we we had a

1191
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: show in v A, and they was like, by the

1192
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: time we get there, maybe kissing them and be out

1193
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: of there. So we get up to we get the VA.

1194
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we get to Brooklyn from va and some

1195
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: Philly dudes came and all that ship or whatever and

1196
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: pauls and uh that was crazy. But we get there

1197
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: and kissing. Somebody from Sunny's team came to our car

1198
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, jad kiss is still here. Kuja

1199
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: wait until he leaves to come in like and they

1200
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: was like, yo, we don't want no problems. So Chris

1201
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: was like yeah right, and then Chris sat there and

1202
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: while we're sitting there, like all these cars pull up

1203
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: and we see like jay Hood get out. Fucking Styles

1204
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: was locked up at the time, but jay Hood was there,

1205
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: a fucking chic and a bunch of dudes, right, So

1206
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: Chris was like, fuck that, we're going in there, right.

1207
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: So they they go into the they going to the club.

1208
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: They're all walking out with kiss and uh Chris, Chris

1209
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: and Eve manager was like, yo, don't say nothing, Like,

1210
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: don't say nothing of them. Let them get ahead, yo.

1211
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: They came outside and we on the line way to

1212
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: get searched. I don't know who it was, but one

1213
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: of them was like, man, fuck all that deep block nigga.

1214
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: What your niggas will do? Right? So then we get

1215
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: into this spat going back and forth and then like

1216
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: Chris is standing there, he getting searched in the like

1217
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: jay Hood, him, him and jay Hood is like saying

1218
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: shit through each other and all that, like this ain't

1219
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: no social media. Nobody's seen this happen. We get in

1220
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: the room, we get into the studio and were getting there.

1221
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what to this dude from Philly who

1222
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: he was. I seen him one time that day. I

1223
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: never seen him again. It was all of us in

1224
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the room. He said. It was like fifteen of us

1225
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: in the room. He said, yo, who and he ain't

1226
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: bring a burner? Like four or five people raise their hand.

1227
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: He said, I got burner for everybody who ain't bring one.

1228
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: He bro, I swear, I thought we was gonna die

1229
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: that night. Man. He like, Yo, when we come outside,

1230
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: we're not letting nothing. We're going all the way right.

1231
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like what, I'm like the fuck? I'm like, all right,

1232
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: did he give you a burner? I'm not gonna say

1233
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: if what he gave me or he didn't. Okay, okay,

1234
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: But we walk outside. I think by that time they

1235
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: had left, and then we go to baseline. We had fun.

1236
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: That was it. But like, damn, bro, I thought like

1237
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: we had a couple. Yeah, we had a couple, like little.

1238
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: The crazy thing about that is like I didn't know.

1239
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know Jada kiss at the time. Jada kiss

1240
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: my man. I love kiss his son j One, that's

1241
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: my man. I love him, chic all of them bro

1242
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: like Styles. Ironically, when Styles and Styles came home, who

1243
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: called my phone? I think Green Lantin called my phone

1244
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: and Styles on the phone. He's like, y'all got Styles

1245
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: be on the phone, and he like he won't to

1246
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: talk to Mac, and I put them on the phone.

1247
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: They spoke on my phone, you know what I mean.

1248
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: And then from there, years later, me and Styles we

1249
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: built our brotherhood. I love Styles, I love his wife,

1250
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: his son. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's

1251
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: just crazy how life works out. But yeah, it's a

1252
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: few times, bro. But I always think back to that

1253
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: time that Jada went to the power show in Philly,

1254
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: like the big Summer Jam or whatever. Yeah, yeah, we

1255
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: did that. We did that before Jay and I's did

1256
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: they ship Nobody the same thing at ninety seven Summer

1257
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: Jam in New York. We did it at Powerhouse. Okay,

1258
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: so the thing was we did kiss, was doing Powerhouse

1259
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: in Philly. In Philly, Yeah, nobody knew Beans was dead.

1260
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: Beans put on a Halloween mass and he walked out

1261
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: on the stage and when he was just at the

1262
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: same show, not not the one you talking about when

1263
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: he dissed them. This is years later. That happened in

1264
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: like two. This happened in like five, when five, when

1265
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Beans came home, we do Powerhouse and Kiss. This is

1266
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People be thinking that Jay took everything

1267
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: from them, But like Jay did, I declare war. After

1268
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: that when he brought out nas So when Beans, it

1269
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: was on Halloween, we came out Beans. He opened up

1270
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: his jacket and everybody's in the aspe chain and he

1271
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: took the mask off and then they did reservoir dogs.

1272
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: That's the first time that they had done something together.

1273
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: This is before Jay and Nis reconciled they ship. So

1274
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: that was when they reconciled their ship. That's when they

1275
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: reconciled they ship. But they had talked prior they reconciled

1276
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: their ship. When when when Beans had came home, do

1277
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: you remember, like uh man, just that back and forth

1278
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: just bars wise was so crazy, like two freestyles were

1279
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: so crazy, Like no, but you don't remember all the

1280
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: ones in between. Nah, I just remember the two big

1281
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: ones because I mean, as I was on Naster download

1282
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: D when he said when Beans is like he's said,

1283
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: this cat still live in his mother house and my

1284
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: basement bigger than his mother house. And I ain't talking

1285
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: about my mother house on my brother house. I'm talking

1286
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: about the other house. You ain't never hear that, nah, bro. Now,

1287
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: they was going crazy. They was going my favorite this

1288
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: and all of that was styles on Wait a minute, yeah,

1289
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: I feel like like at that time, unless MP had

1290
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: gotten into a bee for somebody, it was like probably

1291
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: the too craziest like people you would think were someone

1292
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: someone's gonna die. Yeah, I know, I really, Bro, I was.

1293
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like being on a battlefield

1294
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: almost like I don't know what it is to be

1295
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: on a battlefield in war, but I know, Bro, Like

1296
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: we came into a lot of clothes, Like I love

1297
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: state property all y'all because y'all put my life in

1298
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: danger mad times. I love all of them though, but Bro,

1299
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: working with them was dangerous. Bro, what was the original

1300
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: like origin of their issue? Who stay property of? Yeah?

1301
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: Of kissing Beanie? I don't know. I don't fucking know.

1302
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: I have no idea, Bro, I have no idea. I

1303
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: just knew that whatever whatever when I worked at when

1304
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: I worked with beans in them, whatever they was with,

1305
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: you better be with that. Whatever he on, you better

1306
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: be on that too. You ain't you can't be around

1307
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: us if you ain't so crazy too, because talking to

1308
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: damn it, she was always like, dude, everyone's favorite rapper

1309
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: that is not being Seagull from Philly and that era

1310
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: was the kiss Absolutely he was like he was like

1311
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: the biggest dude in Philly, like people love kiss is

1312
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: like fucking. I would not call him a guy. I

1313
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: don't use that term with people with men. But like

1314
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: he was, like yeah, Bro, he was. I would just

1315
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: say everybody that come from that error, Bro, Jada kissed

1316
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: me is a lot to us if you was born

1317
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: in the eighties and you grew up in the nineties. Bro.

1318
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: The whole locks though, Bro, like the Locks man, Like,

1319
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: like my tattoo on my neck, it stands for respect

1320
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: over money. Style said that shit in a freestyle. That's

1321
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: why I tattooed that shit on my neck. I live

1322
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: by their words, bro, because you know it was the

1323
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: Locks for me was this It's like I'm coming outside,

1324
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't have the relate ship with my father that

1325
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: I should have, and I'm going to school and coming

1326
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: home and trying to navigate life as a teenager in

1327
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: the nineties when the streets is crazy. I listened to

1328
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: the Locks all day. They teaching me about honoring cold

1329
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: and all that shit. Aside from what I'm learning with

1330
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: my homies, you know what I'm saying, Like they taught

1331
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: me honoring Cold like their music, so they mean everything

1332
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: to us, Like, however, Houston people feel for fucking one

1333
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: being PIMPSI for U GK. Yeah, that's how New York

1334
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: if you was born at that time, that's how we

1335
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: feel about the Locks. Locks is an so that's the

1336
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: highest And I love Wutin Clan to death, but they're

1337
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: not the same for me as the Locks. And yeah,

1338
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I love the Loes. Yeah, the Locks definitely had more

1339
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I feel like practical life lessons absolutely bro absolutely in

1340
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: their music. We were talking earlier. We were talking about

1341
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: our love for Loupe. I was talking about like my

1342
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: favorite rappers, which is different than the greatest Rappers list. Yeah,

1343
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: and my favorite rapper list always pisses people off. But

1344
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: you were like, yo, I had Loupe in my top

1345
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: five for a minutes at some point in time, Like

1346
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: who else is in your top five? It always changes,

1347
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: Like right now, who's your top five favorite rappers? Right

1348
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: all time favorite? Right now? This is it, right now,

1349
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: the best, right now, just right now, like that you

1350
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: actually fuck with, not not like that I actually fun

1351
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: with all right, So look I'll be taking like I

1352
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: ain't on front, bro. I never met Drinke and we

1353
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: we ain't the best of friends. Drake that might not

1354
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: like me too much, but whatever, Drake the best. He

1355
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: the best right now, Rapper, that's fair? After that ship, Rapper,

1356
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: I gotta put I put a little baby in there.

1357
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: Gotta give a little baby in there. And this is

1358
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever done like a current drink

1359
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: because my top five is always my top five all

1360
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: the time. But I put like, hmmm, rapper. See, I

1361
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: don't know where to put him at, but I gotta

1362
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: put Conway in there. Conway is my favorite guy in Grisella,

1363
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: and I love all three, yeah, but not Conway. There's

1364
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: something about Knyway's ability to convey pain on songs that like,

1365
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: it's Conway. You know what I love about Conway? Conway

1366
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: he knows how to flow, he knows how to like,

1367
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: he got punch lines, he gott he got got it all, man,

1368
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: he got it all. But Benny. But I feel like

1369
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: right there, it's certain versus that Benny got thats just

1370
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: like guys don't bleed. That's that verse on that Benny

1371
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: is is like god level MC as well. They're both Jedi. Yeah,

1372
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: they're both Jedi. See, I don't so I don't have

1373
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: like like what I'm saying like, I don't have a

1374
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: ranking of like rappers right now because it's like, all right,

1375
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: what about the all time list? Do you say that

1376
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: that's pro consistent? Yeah? This is your favorite? Yeah, not

1377
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: like Jay all the time. Biggie uh J biggie nas

1378
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: Wayne and Kendrick, thank you, thank you for the Kendrick love.

1379
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna lie. I'm I'm I'm boycott and

1380
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: Kendrick because he hasn't put out. Let me tell you

1381
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: something you can't You can't imagine that aunt of fun

1382
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: would I do with academics, bro? That amount of arguments

1383
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: I have people Kendrick. I have screaming matches about Kendrick

1384
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: Lamar and Lebron James all the time. But Kendrick, but like,

1385
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: I just love especially you being in New York. I

1386
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: bet you got heads with hell people about Kendrick. I

1387
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: feel like, not really, just because the thing about New

1388
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 1: York is, see you got Wayne over Kendrick Hell. Yeah?

1389
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: Really yeah, bro, Wayne, Yo, this is the thing, man,

1390
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: It's like, and I'm my thing is Kendrick's never missed.

1391
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: Wayne's missed a lot. Missing is all subjective, right, not really?

1392
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: But Wayne's got some black eyes on this. He does,

1393
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: but he's got classes, but so do Tupac. I got

1394
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of misses. Yeah, yeah, there's

1395
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: a lot, which is why, which is why Tupac's not

1396
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: in my top he's in my top tennis. But but

1397
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: like I got, I to put Wayne in Tupac in

1398
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: the same tier, nahn. Wayne is a better, way better

1399
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: rapper than Tupac. He's a way better rapper. I don't.

1400
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: It's people that's probably sent me death threats for that.

1401
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. Yo, listen, I've someone threat

1402
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: I said Tupac was overrated as an MC. I didn't

1403
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: say his music was overrated. I'm a huge POC fan,

1404
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: huge had posters of them on my walls. Did but

1405
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: I said that ship. I forget what interview was. And

1406
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: motherfuckers was dming my wife threatening to kill her dog.

1407
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 1: She had to make her page private. So so so look,

1408
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: so people don't play about Tupac. Now, people don't play

1409
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: about Tupac. But I love Tupac too. But at the

1410
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: same time, it's like I stack people getting their feelings

1411
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: about Pac in their fit. It's two people, Pac and Kobe.

1412
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: You can't say nothing about because people I love Kobe's

1413
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: one of my favorite I love Kobe too. But I'm

1414
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: just saying, like, you know, Kobe fans don't people I

1415
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: don't know they not because I'm one of them people people,

1416
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I'm definitely not problem. I'm definitely

1417
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm definitely one of them people that was buying Kobe's

1418
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: when they was on sale and nobody was wearing for

1419
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: nobody was wearing them. Yeah I was. I actually got

1420
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: a pair of elite Kobe's like that because the dude

1421
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: that a house of who was like, Yo, you're the

1422
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: only person I ever seen body shits and wearing you

1423
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: can get him? And it was only like ten peers.

1424
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Tupac Tupac fans are very emotional. They are,

1425
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: but like I feel like, but Pak is a great artist.

1426
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: But see all time. It's hard to do all time

1427
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: because I gotta put Kanye. I don't know if he

1428
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: ain't Kanye is, But Kanye is in a class of

1429
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I don't think that Tupac's in the class Mark.

1430
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: I think Kanye is in classic Let me ask you

1431
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: if you agree this. I think Kanye has the best

1432
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: discography in hip hop history? Fuck, who's got a better

1433
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: disco history? Yes? Who's got a better discography? I think

1434
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: the only miss was Jesus Is King, And I mean yeah,

1435
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: he had some Jesus trash as juice for sure that

1436
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: he could have went. He could have went like O

1437
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: D Traps, like trapped soul meets gospel, and it would

1438
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: have been hard. I ran through that album once and

1439
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: never touched it again. Kanye fan, how you mess up

1440
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: with clips on? We ain't gonna go there, all right?

1441
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: So look so yeah, I ain't gonna front. He might

1442
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: got it? Bro? Who else got I mean? I think

1443
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: I think close. I think the closest is Kendrick because

1444
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: Kendrick has no but Kendrick don't have the amount. Bro. Listen,

1445
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: Kendrick don't have the amount. Take Out Classics, take away Classics,

1446
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: and ghost Faces up there too. Take Out Classics, take

1447
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: out the classic word. Games got a nice discography. Game

1448
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: is one of the best rappers ever. If I wanted

1449
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: somebody to rap for twenty four hours straight because I

1450
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: was trying to win a prize, I'll go the game.

1451
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Game rapper all day about anything but a right. I

1452
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: love it, bro and I can't run away from it. Bro,

1453
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: gott stop playing with Drake. Bro see nah, Bro, I'm

1454
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: gonna keep it. Listen, And it's hard for me. It

1455
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: took me a long time because it's hard to listen.

1456
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: It's hard to put As a jay Z fan, it's

1457
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: hard to put anybody on the same level as Drake's

1458
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: up there. I equate Drake to the jay Z shit

1459
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: like this, Mike, to me, Michael Joan the greatest player

1460
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: person ever touches basketball, right, But Steph Stephen Stephen Curry

1461
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: is the greatest person to ever shoot a basketball. Right.

1462
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: That's how I equate the Drake whole ship, because it's

1463
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,959
Speaker 1: like and not that I'm Drake's the greatest hit maker ever,

1464
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm saying. But but, but at

1465
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't think anyone can perform more

1466
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: hits in a row than Drake. You know, it's the

1467
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: realist ship. You haven't been with a joke show. Of course,

1468
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: I only been the one, And I'm kind of a

1469
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: Drake hater low key like historically, I've never been a hater.

1470
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: I may not agree with his actions, I'll say that

1471
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't hate him. I wouldn't say a hater, but

1472
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: I have of him as an artist. I don't know him.

1473
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: I just don't. But Bro, I went to the Summer

1474
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: sixteen ship. I went to the Summer sixteen ship with

1475
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: him and him the future yep, I remember that Bro

1476
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: in Madison Square guard like floating, Yeah, because that wasn't

1477
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: the Ferrari, it was m Bro. I was dead. I

1478
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: was in in the Rise of right. Everybody's and everybody

1479
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: industry is in the Riser. I was standing next to

1480
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: Charlomagne and me, and Charlomagne was like, damn right. Then

1481
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: he did this ship like you know you've been you

1482
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: know how Jay used to do this shit where he

1483
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: used to be like he plays songs and cut him off,

1484
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: play songs, cut them off. Bro. So I was waiting

1485
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: for Drake to do worst Behavior. I'm like, well, now,

1486
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: oh you remember he did that during that show where

1487
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: he's like it was like I couldn't believe it. No,

1488
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I s would have got you know,

1489
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: he did, And that was I was waiting for worst behavior. Yo.

1490
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: He put on worst Behavior, and I'm and the great

1491
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: thing about being in the rises you can see everything right.

1492
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: And I was looking he played that ship for fifteen second.

1493
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: He's like, not fucking turn that shit off. I was

1494
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: like what And I can't remember what song he played

1495
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: after that, but I was like, nah, bro, like, well

1496
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: that's like on the tour he did with Migos where

1497
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: he was running across the fucking basketball basketball he was

1498
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: just run quick. He just did quick features like tan

1499
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: in a row and like was like, I just want

1500
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: to remind y'all like, oh yeah, it was all, but

1501
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. I think like the thing

1502
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: is like all right, look yeah, if you a Jay

1503
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: fan and you I'm a Biggie fan J fan. We

1504
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: also didn't mention Jay's best just discography and hip hop history,

1505
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: which is crazy. He's no but he he's him and

1506
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: Kanye for being fair or Drake, but I put Kanye

1507
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: gets a slight edge just because of producing. He gets

1508
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: a slight edge, right, I agree? But yeah, J right, Like,

1509
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: because I was having this debate with academics and he

1510
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: was talking about hits and he was like, where I'm

1511
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: from is not a hit? I'm like, how's it not

1512
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: a hit? Right? I'm like, because bro, see you, I

1513
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: understand how he could say that But the reason why

1514
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: he says that is because you in the era with

1515
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: fifty cent have fucked up everything with the sales shit,

1516
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: where y'all equate how you interpret music based on what

1517
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: it sells. So when well, I didn't know what gold

1518
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: of platinum even meant at all. I didn't know that

1519
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: it meant selling a million when I was a kid,

1520
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: Like think about fucking dark and hell is hot, bro,

1521
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know, dark, Flesh of my Flesh,

1522
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: Blood on my Blood. So three hundred and eighty seven

1523
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: thousand records the first week and did not have a

1524
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: single or a video that was both in the same year,

1525
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: both in this is what I'm saying. It's like, so

1526
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about the sale shit, But people

1527
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: like X ship was like Billboard. I'm like, so you

1528
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: let these people have no face, their system determined what's

1529
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: the best ship? Ever? Nah? Like you know what I mean,

1530
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: because I'm like, yo, Like, if Jay had to go

1531
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: hit for hit with somebody, he could go all day.

1532
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: But but one thing, I say, separate drink. But Drake,

1533
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: nobody can go hit for him with Drake. The problem

1534
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: with Drake is Drake gonna start pulling them ships from

1535
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: half court, like Steph, you're gonna start pulling that shit

1536
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: from half court. And I still put I still have

1537
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: in my book Jay over Drake. Of course, of course

1538
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: he's I think with Drake, I think I think Drake

1539
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: is kind of like you said, how Steph Curry kind

1540
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: of came through and it's just like not fair with

1541
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: the change he changed the way the game's played, to

1542
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: change with the games. I think Drake has some things

1543
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: you could say about him. Obviously the writing ship, you know, yeah.

1544
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: I also look at the way he responded to that

1545
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: and kind of like low Ki had me his career

1546
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: in a little chocol for a while, you know, like

1547
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: and but then I look at Drake and the push

1548
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: a thing, and how I was so disappointed that Drake

1549
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: never replied to push his fucking freestyles. Bro I ain't

1550
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: gonna lie though. It's like it was like he was

1551
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: in a very tough position. But I always used to say,

1552
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: you know what I always just say about Drake. I

1553
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: used to before him and push you at his issues.

1554
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: I used to always say, like he needed to do

1555
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: a takeover, just attack everybody, he needed to just make

1556
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: a record. I always wanted Drake to make kind of

1557
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: like Kendrick's controllers, but he didn't. Kendrick then attack people, right,

1558
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: but he definitely he caught everybody. He was being nice. Yeah,

1559
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was a polite Hey guys, I'm better

1560
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: than y'all. But I really feel like I don't know Kendrick,

1561
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: but I really feel like Kendrick believed that nobody could

1562
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: fuck with him. I think that's still nobody. I don't

1563
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: I feel like rapping, but at the same time, that's

1564
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like when you start getting in

1565
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: the bars and quotables and hip hop is not just

1566
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: based on that. It's based on everything. It's based on everything.

1567
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: It's based on your presence and all that. And like

1568
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: it's like, now, bro, it's like the NBA. I'd be like, yo,

1569
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: they might as well just make the NBA the Christmas Game,

1570
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: the All Star Game in the playoffs because nobody plays

1571
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: no more. I know, y'all got injuries and ship, but

1572
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: nobody don't fucking play this ship is crazy. And it's

1573
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: like that's how feeling about hip hop now. It's like

1574
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: people don't play as much as they used to. It's like, uh,

1575
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: we're growing up after we get a Woo Tang album,

1576
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: and then we get all these albums in between, and

1577
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: then another woos Sang album and more albums in between,

1578
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: and then another Wooing album. They still holding his face locks.

1579
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: They did the same ship Locks album, Jadakiss Styles Chic,

1580
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: then d Block compilation, Jada Kiss again, and Styles and Chic.

1581
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: They kept doing They kept doing it all our favorite

1582
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: sucking the dog paumd Bro snooping them like snoop after

1583
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: he brought the dog Panty brought I had. I bought

1584
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: that east side of his album Aum was fired, Eastide

1585
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: I Sleeping Goldie Logan Trading. They had dress on it,

1586
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I bought that east

1587
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: side of the album. Like they kept it consistent consistent.

1588
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: Now it's like the incause you want to be like

1589
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: you consistent when you drop, but you dropped. It's like

1590
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: a solar clips, you know what I mean. Now, it's

1591
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: like we gotta wait so long and yeah, but that's

1592
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: the only thing with Like, I hope this next Kendrick

1593
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: album is crazy, I think. But that's the though. It's

1594
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: it's a gifting occurs because it's like for me, I

1595
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: don't I'm not expecting, like, I don't think that Kendrick

1596
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: can outdo himself. I just think that every time he

1597
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: does something that hasn't been done, he doesn't out Like

1598
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't feel like good Caad Mass City, Good Kid Mass.

1599
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: He is one of the greatest albums of all time,

1600
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: facts or in any genre. I agree, but like when

1601
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: you get to to Pimple Butterfly, I can't compare it

1602
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: to because there he was doing something totally different Butterfly

1603
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: the way he did it on a high level. Yeah,

1604
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: then damn, damn a classic album. I'm give a fuck

1605
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: with nobody saying I think. I mean, I think all

1606
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: three Kendrick albums are classics. And let's not in Section eighty.

1607
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: Let's not like that was sweet. Section eighty was officially

1608
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: an album as well, so you couldn't get that. You

1609
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: had to buy that on iTunes. And like I said,

1610
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: like I don't with these artists, it's like we want

1611
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: to be entertained, so we don't know, like them sitting

1612
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: in stool one hundred hours like oh fuck, trying a

1613
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: bunch of shit and saying, I don't know if I'm

1614
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: a like Lauren Hill bro it was a reason why

1615
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: she on even made one album. She can never do

1616
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: that shit again. You could never do it again. And

1617
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: that piece of art, though, is one of the greatest

1618
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: of all time. But if that's the art that we

1619
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: have to accept for and that's what we have, I'm

1620
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: cool with that. Do you think Drake? I think everyone

1621
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: would say that Take Care is a classic? Not everyone,

1622
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: because I personally don't think he's got an undeniable classic. Yeah,

1623
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: take his not take his undeniable classic, bro, I'm saying

1624
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,520
Speaker 1: just I feel like it's a undeniable I think that

1625
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: no, no no, but listen, but listen, Like, I think that

1626
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,919
Speaker 1: there's not a consensus amongst everyone that that's a classic.

1627
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: I think that I think that I would say it's

1628
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: a classic personally, but I don't think it's a consensus, right,

1629
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's albums like nobody's ever gonna

1630
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: tell you Get richard Ie Trent isn't a classic, Like

1631
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: anybody who you respecting hip hop would never ever say,

1632
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: but they're not tell you why it's our standard. We're

1633
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: from the same I'm only a couple years older than you,

1634
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: but we're from the same era of when we learned

1635
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: this idea of what the classic was, and then we

1636
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: think about our classics. I used to think like, if

1637
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: you can't make something the same as the infamous, it's

1638
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: not classic. If you can't make the same as reasonable doubt,

1639
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: it's not classic. And that's content is the subject matter

1640
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: is the singles and all of that only built for

1641
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: Cuban links. Music has changed, but I think since since

1642
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: Drakes come out, there's been classic albums that have came out.

1643
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: So even though it's like two records on there, it's like,

1644
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: what my beautiful dark twist of fantasy good can mad say?

1645
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we just talked about Kendricks, right, So it's

1646
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: other people records on there, like freestyles, but so Far

1647
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: Gone Bro So Far Gone is a classic body of work.

1648
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean undeniable, that's undeniable. I think that when Drake

1649
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: came out with the singing shit, everybody was like, oh

1650
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: he saw for he is so he that So they

1651
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: was because hip hop was in a weird ass space.

1652
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: So it's like they say he not hip hop. Like

1653
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: people consider Drake like you still got an army of

1654
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: like a fucking organization or army of people that still say, well,

1655
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: Drake's not hip hop because he sings right, and I

1656
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: just look at it. I didn't wasn't in that crowd,

1657
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: but I used to look at it like, well, he

1658
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: need to just make a whole album rapping, but he

1659
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: doesn't because it'd be nice though. Why though, but because

1660
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: look we rusted that chompipe and I was like, this

1661
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: is great. He's shutting people up. Yeah, but I feel

1662
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,480
Speaker 1: like Russ got more to proved than Drake. Definitely, Yeah,

1663
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: thats bro. Anybody who meet Russ, if you never knew

1664
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: who was, Like if I took rest of my hood,

1665
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: somebody I wouldn't say, like, they'd be like, yo, cool guy.

1666
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I just mean like, if no one

1667
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: knew who he was, they'd be like, why you got

1668
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: this white boy with long hair? Yeah? But then you

1669
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: hear he grap his ass off. But that's what I'm saying.

1670
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: It's like he got more approved than Drake. You're saying

1671
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: Drake doesn't have to do that because he's already got.

1672
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, I feel like for the people who

1673
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: feel like he had, he's never gonna make them happy.

1674
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: They're never go yeah, because like honestly, even with me,

1675
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 1: because me and academics have had a lot of Drake debates,

1676
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: especially with the whole ship and all of that, and like,

1677
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: I had to start looking. I took a lot of

1678
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: my Like I love Drake as an artist, Like I've

1679
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: listened to every one of his albums, all of them, Like,

1680
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the only one I don't like is What's

1681
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: the first one? Thank Me Later? I don't like that album.

1682
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: It had like four joints on it. I wasn't crazy

1683
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: about more Life. I always crazy about life neither. But like,

1684
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: but I hate I hate the fact that, if you're

1685
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: reading this too late, is oh no, that's a mixtape.

1686
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: No it's not. It's a fucking album. I can't enjoy

1687
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: that album the way everyone else does because, Bro, but

1688
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: but that album is like some of his best, especially

1689
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: just rapping. We just don't know who wrote it, you

1690
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I know, but I ain't on

1691
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: front nowadays the people that everybody writing for them, I don't.

1692
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: I got over that, Bro, I had to get over it.

1693
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: It's tough. I had to get over it, because Bro,

1694
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: it's a different era when you being come on, bro,

1695
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: you be in these studios. Well also you know how

1696
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: it is because you you're in studio sessions, and you

1697
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: realize everyone gets help, everybody, whether it's the homie in

1698
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: the corner who's like feed you in line. Because but

1699
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: but we come from that era of like if you

1700
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: was in the if you was in the lunch room,

1701
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: and you think Kendrick's getting help, I don't know. I

1702
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't think. I don't know. Bro,

1703
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it a hundred. I'm not I would.

1704
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he is. Probably I would probably shut

1705
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: the thugs in on the inside, like you know what

1706
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, my argument because I'm glad you say

1707
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: Kendrick's in your top five because I always tell people

1708
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: who have Biggie in their top five as well. I'm like, look,

1709
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: Biggie deserves to be in that conversation. But while he

1710
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: we got two albums from him, and they were both classics,

1711
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: Kendrick we've got if I can argue section eighty's a classic,

1712
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: but let's say take it section eighty three. He's got

1713
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: three undenials not missed. He hasn't missed. So if you're

1714
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna put Biggie in that conversation off a two albums,

1715
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: you gotta put Kendrick in that conversation with the greatest

1716
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: all time. Yeah. Absolutely, But I see the thing is

1717
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: is like, bro, we all realized how great people are

1718
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: when they're gone. You know what I'm saying, Like, we

1719
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: all realized how great people are when they're going. It's like,

1720
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: you look at DMX, right, and I wouldn't be mad

1721
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: if somebody had DMX's they number one on they Top five.

1722
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: Of course, when I was a kid for two years

1723
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: as a child, probably three years, DMX was my favorite

1724
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: rapper in the world. I'm not even gonna lie and

1725
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: admit this to you. The Hard Knocked Life Tour, that

1726
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: Backstage movie when I was there, we probably stayed for

1727
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: two of jay Z's songs and then went home. Bro,

1728
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: we were there to see DMX. I did not understand

1729
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: for the life of me why DMX was going on

1730
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: before jay Z, and at that time that was volume two.

1731
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: Hold yeah, that he had had them records. It was

1732
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: it was they toil and he had them records, right.

1733
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 1: That's like I remember jay came out, he had the

1734
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: car on stage, and I was like my cousin was like, hey,

1735
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: you want to go home and beat the traffic? And

1736
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: I was like we already saw DMX, metha Man and

1737
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: Redmond were just flying through the fucking sky. Let's go home.

1738
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: That's like, bro, like, who I like, what's this? That's like,

1739
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't give nobody say like Future in my top ten.

1740
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: I don't even know my top this Future in it. Really,

1741
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: I swear to guy, Bro, I don't care what nobody say.

1742
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: Ain't no Dick Ryan and none of that. I love Future,

1743
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: I know, I love I love Future, but I want

1744
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: to put I mean, I think for what he does,

1745
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: he's the greatest of all time. I don't know if

1746
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: there's a better club like club rapper you just want.

1747
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: But see this the thing. I don't even want to

1748
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: put him in club rapper because that's people always equate Future.

1749
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: That's just a club rapper Future. His music is street ship.

1750
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: So he got some bro I know, but I'm talking

1751
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: about he got songs with like one of my favorite

1752
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: songs from Futures made myself like Streets Calling that mixtape,

1753
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: Streets Calling got mad Future shit on it where he rapping,

1754
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: and people never got onto that because they just got

1755
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: on the fucking at the same damn time and it

1756
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: was just held on it that and never listen to shit.

1757
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: If you got the tolerance or the time to listen

1758
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: to future, canny fuck with Kendrick as a rapper. No,

1759
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: not saying that by no means, but if you listen

1760
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: to what he's saying and you like rap, you'd be like, oh,

1761
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: he got some ship in there, same as Thug. I

1762
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: feel the same way about Thug. I put low key

1763
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: put Thug above future. No, no, no, no, I'll take

1764
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: futures catalog. I just think that. I just think young

1765
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: Thug has I mean, futures are very versus how artists,

1766
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like I've heard Thug like some of

1767
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: his inflections and ship. I just don't know if anyone

1768
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: else can pull off some of the ship young Thug does.

1769
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: They can't. People can do it. People can do a

1770
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: cheap future impersonation. It's to me, no, they can't. Bro

1771
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: they can't. To me, Thug is like so the way

1772
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: he changes the beats for real, don't that's fair? Future

1773
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: like listening to Gangland, and like I said, I'm not saying,

1774
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: listen to Gangland and say this verse is not better

1775
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: than conways. I've been waiting for someone to put future

1776
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: up in the verses too. I'm like, man, who play

1777
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: with him? I don't know who. I don't know who

1778
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: could bro. People don't even You see when he was

1779
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: making that room about Travis Scott and then the meme start,

1780
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Travis to get washed and I love Travis,

1781
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: but not against future future Brow Travis and young Thug

1782
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: would be good. That would be a good one. Travis, Travis, Travis,

1783
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: but future Bro they can't follow the future. So you

1784
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: got them top ten all time? Hell yeah, I got

1785
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: because my ratchet. But that's what I'm saying, your personal favorites.

1786
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: That's your favorite, like like in your favorites, it's not

1787
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: necessarily like who you think is the greatest of all time. Yeah,

1788
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: it's not what I think is just your favorite. Yeah,

1789
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: he's my He's one of my favorite artists ever. But

1790
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: so is Ludacris. So is t I Man, Ludacris, so

1791
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: is Young Buck would have loved album Young Bucks first

1792
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: two second album, The World was one of the most

1793
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: slept on albums ever made. The World is fucking was

1794
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: that they had the prices on my head record was

1795
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: that on the first the first Yeah, but the second

1796
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: album had some ships and that no one no one

1797
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: ever talks about Buck the world, Bro, Buck the World

1798
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: is hard. That was one that's probably one of the

1799
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: saddest things in hip hop for me was that young

1800
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: Buck never really kind of like he should have kept going.

1801
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: Man Luda was that dude though. I'm so glad to

1802
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: hear Luda on that new record with Conway and that

1803
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: ship was yeah, and he held his own Nah, absolutely absolutely.

1804
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean Luda, Bro. I think Luda is a mask.

1805
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: Like people don't be knowing. It's like I equate Lula

1806
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: like ice cube. Bro, He's the same thing as ice cube.

1807
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: Like when my when my son seeing straight out of Compton,

1808
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: he was like, that's ice cube, Like he couldn't believe it.

1809
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: He was like, that's how you got it from Yeah,

1810
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: from Friday. We did that Friday all. I'm like, yeah,

1811
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: all about the Benjamin Like, yeah, that's ice Cube. Like

1812
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: they don't but I would have. I would have took

1813
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: the same route Lula, did you know what I mean?

1814
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: But Luda? People act like man Luda when he did

1815
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: What's the Ship that Ron Browns did for him? Blow

1816
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 1: it out your ass like dumb joints LU the first album,

1817
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: the first than Red Light DISTRICTT. What's the drink? Chicken? Yeah, chicken, beer,

1818
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: chicken and beer. Luda had bro he hits, hits, hits, hits,

1819
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: any corrap with you? What's so this new podcast is

1820
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: just one of the new things that you have coming.

1821
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: It's just one new things. I don't I don't really

1822
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: talk about like inkas dry on certain shit. But I

1823
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 1: don't let I let the work speak for itself. You know,

1824
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: I do got some shit coming. I'm just I'm I'm

1825
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: still learning, bro, Like you know, the media career is

1826
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: giving me a new life and I'm only three years in.

1827
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm set, I'm on my music. Shit, I'm twenty in, right,

1828
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: I mean I started at shit eighteen, so I'm twenty in.

1829
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight. Not consistent, but I'm still like making

1830
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: up for the lost time I had. So I'm learning

1831
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: new shit. I'm working with new people. I got different perspectives.

1832
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm building new things, new ideas. I'm building a merch

1833
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: line for my company, Try and Go Offense, which was

1834
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, my label, That's what Dave was signed to

1835
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: as a a management client, but I changed it to

1836
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: not just management and production company, to an aspirational inspirational

1837
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: lifestyle brand because like I want to inspire, you know,

1838
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean I want to aspire to inspire, Like it's

1839
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: my duty for me to make people feel like they can.

1840
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: That's why I started my podcast. I look at I think,

1841
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: what's about your podcast is it's kind of needed in

1842
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: this space. I think we get a lot of that

1843
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: from like Wallow's Instagram. Yeah, I love it. Real quick,

1844
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I tell you about that, you know what I mean.

1845
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Times Wallow cursed me out about doing the podcast. BROA

1846
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: Wallow was on my ass. Bro, I'll tell you one

1847
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: time Wallow And of course I met him through social media,

1848
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: but we got a lot of mutual friends in Philly,

1849
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: a lot of mutual friends. And Wallow called me one

1850
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: day and was like, wait, no, I'm telling you right now, Bro,

1851
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: you're leaving so much money on the table. And he like,

1852
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: not just the money, but bro, he like, it's all

1853
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: these different things that you could do once you start.

1854
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: And he was telling me, but Willow talk fast, and

1855
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: he he gave me one call like every couple months,

1856
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: and he left me with that, and I was like,

1857
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: how do I do it? And I was scared to

1858
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: do it. I'm not gonna lie, bro, I'm not gonna

1859
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: act like I was, like, I'm just this invincible person

1860
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: that has no flaws and has no what's that insecurities about? Shit?

1861
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: Like are they gonna like it? Do they like me?

1862
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: Does everybody just like academics on the show and don't

1863
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: fuck with me at all? I know he has his

1864
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: fan base, but I never built mine. And then I

1865
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna just

1866
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: jump off this diving board to see what happens. And

1867
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: we've been doing. You know, hear Me Out with Wayne

1868
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: O is every Thursday. I'm saying Instagram is hear me

1869
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: out with Wayne O? It's the twitters hear me out?

1870
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, hear me wayno. And we're just gonna go,

1871
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're gonna go and I'm

1872
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna have like I will have. I would love to

1873
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: have you on a on a podcast, but we do.

1874
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be so much centered around you. I

1875
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: might just bro you a father like, you know what

1876
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we might just talk and talk about the

1877
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: things that our kids is into. How you feel about

1878
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: this issue versus me. What I'm saying, I think it's

1879
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: that's missing like and I think that, Like I said,

1880
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: we get a lot of that from Wallow and from Billy,

1881
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: and from Gilly and and and and I wish they

1882
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: would do they. I used to love the podcast with

1883
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: No Interviews, and I've been killing the interview us because

1884
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: they make people so comfortable. Bro there, I tell them

1885
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: this all the time, Like their interviews are my favorite.

1886
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, drink Champs is on a crazy run.

1887
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: I love bro Like the cam and the Pharrell interview

1888
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: are like two of my favorite interviews ever. I hope

1889
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: I get to do a drink and I don't even

1890
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: drink like that, but I hope I get to do

1891
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: a drink Champs one day, because like when Noori came

1892
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: to the the Rockefeller, remember he was signed the Rockefeller. Yo.

1893
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: Norri was one of the funniest people I've ever met

1894
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: in my life. Though, Oh, because that was like that

1895
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: was like when it was like Rockefeller, like reggaetone, like no,

1896
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: that was before that. That was before that he signed

1897
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: to Regular. That was when Dame Dame has signed them,

1898
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: Games Chain and all that, and then he was already there.

1899
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Basically he was signed to Death Jim and Death Jim

1900
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: wasn't really moving so and Rockefeller we had distro through

1901
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: death jam. So it's just like all right, we could

1902
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: take it on and you know what I mean, do

1903
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: whatever with him and put the Rockefeller brand around and

1904
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: all that. And it's just like I was when I

1905
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: was around norriy. I was twenty one, So I don't

1906
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: forget nothing that happened because these are like the this

1907
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: is fucking Nori, you know what I mean. It's the

1908
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 1: greatest time of my life being around his guys. It's

1909
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: mad stories I got would be being around Norry that

1910
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: he might not remember. Norri's Yeah. Norri is uh like

1911
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 1: the sweetest dude. But he's also like when you think

1912
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 1: of like some of the stories he's been involved with,

1913
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: you're like, we want to Like I always say him,

1914
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,759
Speaker 1: him and Fat Joe are like some of the biggest

1915
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: goons to ever fucking vat. Yeah, Fat Joe. Fat Joe

1916
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: was went to kindergarten with my sister. Yeah, I just

1917
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: all I've heard so many like vocal stories about Fat Joe.

1918
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: I used to work with DJ DJ christ John when

1919
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: I was when I was on the radio on Tampa.

1920
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: He used to tell me the craziest Forest projects. Bro

1921
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: Fat Joe's story how they would move was like some

1922
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: real terrorists the name but the name called terrorst Squad,

1923
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: Like Jesus, like, we don't take these brands serious until

1924
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,959
Speaker 1: it say smacks mighty head off. Yeah, man state property

1925
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that that that's property of the state. Beans was calling

1926
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: the ship criminal records. But I'm just saying, look what

1927
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: you manifest when you do that. Feel fortunately, fortunately d

1928
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: block you know, d block cell block like it's it's

1929
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: I get why because it was authentic to the to

1930
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: the artist and a person. But at the same time,

1931
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: it's like, now we're getting older, we're not looking at

1932
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: it like that. Hey, what was the biggest time you

1933
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: ever kind of disagreed with some academic state where you

1934
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: kind of had to like, you know nine the six

1935
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: nine thing. Yeah, did you guys have off of the

1936
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: record conversations about it? We had mad conversations about it,

1937
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: but we had we had one conversation. We had one

1938
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: conversation that got a little crazy. They had to take

1939
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of it out. I was wild on video.

1940
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: But that's only the reason why is because it's like

1941
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: it's certain brothers and sisters that like, you know, they

1942
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: attached theyself to that. You know that that brotherhood and

1943
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 1: I know them and we're tight, and like seeing seeing

1944
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: how he was treating that whole thing, seeing how sixnin

1945
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: was treating that whole ship, I always felt that six

1946
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 1: nine could have been like the most successful artists without

1947
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: doing that. But also he was around a bunch of

1948
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: dudes that didn't know business. You know what I'm saying,

1949
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Like these dudes is they they they serious people in

1950
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: the street that never been in They've been around music,

1951
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: but never had the ball in their hand. So it's

1952
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: like I felt like, yeah, he used them, they used them,

1953
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: but he used them like it ain't it ain't one

1954
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: side like yeah, And the thing about it is, bro

1955
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: it ain't even about I don't agree when it comes

1956
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: to like, you know, I ain't in the street right now.

1957
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about who snitching on who

1958
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: know why? Because I ain't in the street. That ain't

1959
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: my lifestyle. But like I've been in situations where I

1960
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: had to stop talking to friends I grew up with

1961
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: because they chose a certain life when I was trying

1962
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: to live a certain life. So that rubs me a

1963
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: certain way. I got friends that did fifteen some years

1964
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: because somebody told on them. You know what I mean,

1965
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: It's not even about just that, it's about the prevention.

1966
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: It's about not putting yourself in a situation to do that.

1967
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: So I would never I'm not gonna tell no kid

1968
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: if he get locked up, where he or she should do.

1969
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: That's for them to decide. What I'm gonna tell you is,

1970
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: how about we get you more focused on things that

1971
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: will not put you in a position to get locked up.

1972
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm about, being proactive, not reactive. Because once

1973
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,839
Speaker 1: once a kid goes to jail or a kid passes,

1974
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: everybody's all sad and everybody got all this that and

1975
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: the third we need more prevention. And I felt like

1976
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: with dudes, you know, was doing whatever was like just perpetual,

1977
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: like you was. Yeah, a lot of a lot of

1978
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: people turned up on the gang ship because when they

1979
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: did it, they heightened it on a mainstream level, and

1980
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: a lot of kids is looking at it like he

1981
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: ain't like that, and I don't really like that, So

1982
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm really going to do it, you know what I'm saying.

1983
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: And now they they catching indictments and all of that,

1984
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: So what does it bring for real, Like you know

1985
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 1: what I mean, That shit don't bring nothing but pain facts.

1986
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah. I always thought that, like because because

1987
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: because just kind of who you are and and and

1988
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: and you know, even just watching the show on a

1989
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: regular basis, like you can kind of tell like the

1990
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: morals you stand on. Yeah. I just I just thought

1991
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: that there was some some academic ship and again it

1992
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,440
Speaker 1: was it was got a number of respect for academics. Yeah,

1993
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: outside of the Freddie Gibs shit happened and him him

1994
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: bringing up Fred's kids and not so well when we

1995
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: get friends my brother, but I respect like the career

1996
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: he's built up. But I just figured that there was

1997
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: a had to be a few things where you was like, bro,

1998
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: like what is it? Well, no, it's well hmmm, let

1999
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: me think it's different. I can't think of everything, Bro,

2000
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: we did? You know? You and I did probably three

2001
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: hundred something. I was on Everyday Struggle longer than Joe

2002
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: Bud was and that's facts. So so I did three

2003
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: hundred something episodes of that shit. So I can't remember everything. Bro.

2004
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm talking Monday through Thursday, every morning at seven in

2005
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: the morning. A lot of that shit is a blur

2006
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 1: and and some shit you can see and some shit

2007
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: you want. But the thing about me is is like

2008
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: it's a lot of shit that we didn't agree on, Bro,

2009
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 1: But but at the same time, it's like we knew

2010
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: that we came there to do a job. We came

2011
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 1: there to entertain. I felt like, you know, for me,

2012
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I was on that show for three years. You know

2013
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying for me to I'm grateful to Complex.

2014
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm working for the Deska because the desker's who got

2015
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 1: me on that show and a co signed it, and

2016
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: that's what spit ahead of my media career. And I've

2017
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 1: and like you, it worked. It ain't like they brought

2018
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: you on like and well. The thing is, Bro, is

2019
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: that I'm a sponge. Like if you could hear you

2020
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 1: hear me talk about my Rockefeller days. I got in

2021
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: the room, I learned, I sat around, I played my part,

2022
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: I sat in the corner, I was the person. Yeah,

2023
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 1: So I looked at it from the perspective of this,

2024
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: it's like I got in there for all the shit,

2025
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: even with the bullshit that me It's a lot of

2026
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: conversations that I had with act with act told me

2027
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: how to handle business in the media. Space. So when

2028
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: I did my deals, He's like, YO, make sure it's

2029
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: make sure you he told me, Bro, he instilled summing

2030
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: for me. I'm grateful for me that, you know what

2031
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And him and me, you know, it's like

2032
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: it's like almost like the same shit you're saying what

2033
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: you was like, like, meet Bro, I've know Meek since

2034
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: he was sixteen, and I fuck woul Act, but Meet

2035
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I got real genuine love for me because I knew

2036
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 1: him when he caught this, when he caught the troup

2037
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: before you. I'm kind of glad the clubhouse thing happened

2038
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 1: because it kind of I hate clubhouse. Bro. I haven't

2039
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: had clubhouse on my phone for a while. I haven't.

2040
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: I haven't used it in like five months. That's a wrap. Yeah,

2041
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: it's over for me for that, but but like it's

2042
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 1: just I love balance. I feel like, you can't we

2043
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 1: can't have all the things. I can't have the morals

2044
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: that I stand on and this, that and the third

2045
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: and teach and educate if I don't have examples of

2046
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: other people and not specifically Act, but other people that

2047
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: be out here shocking the fucking food. You know what

2048
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so I could be able to show examples

2049
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: like yo, listen, I ain't gonna tell you what to do,

2050
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: but if you want to do it, just make sure

2051
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: you do it your way. Don't feel a pressure, feeling

2052
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: like you got to be this person in that What

2053
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: was the Was there ever a crazy moment where you

2054
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: guys had interviews at complex and things kind of got weird,

2055
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: weird with the artists with artists and act YG YG

2056
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: came in because that was right after like like six

2057
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: nine was going crazy and I remember that. And the

2058
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: thing is is like I I gotta rapport with them,

2059
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: with YG and them, you know what I mean, Like

2060
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I funk would be more, you know what I mean. Yeah,

2061
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: he's my guy. Push push your rod, like I funck

2062
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of his dudes, you know what I'm saying.

2063
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: And like when I when I every every room, I

2064
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: walk into him being myself saying. So when I come

2065
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: in there, I speak to everybody. I ain't just speak

2066
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: to YG. I came in there, I said, but up

2067
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: to his homies before I saw him something. It's early

2068
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: in the morning. That brother's doing y'all good. Flight was cool,

2069
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: all right, cool? They came in so ACT came in,

2070
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Usually the artists that like

2071
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: don't funk with act, they usually sit next to me.

2072
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: It's they usually sit next to me. So why G?

2073
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: You know he said with me? You know what I mean?

2074
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: It was cool, but like why was waiting to see

2075
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: if he was going to play with him? You know

2076
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: what I mean? But ultimately, like, why G? He's a

2077
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: real good guy, bro, Like I went to one of

2078
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: his his brother, his brother's birthday party one time, met

2079
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 1: as his mom, his pops and up. People be looking

2080
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: at these artists and they just think that they these

2081
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: reckless dudes because he chose a certain way of life.

2082
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: He's a good brother, feel me. Like, so I wanted

2083
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: to ask you because you've worked with you worked with

2084
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: Dave early on, and Dave's one of my favorite artists.

2085
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: In saying MC, women love him right right killing it

2086
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: on the acting. He's kind of like the full package.

2087
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: But for some reason, he's never kind of gone over

2088
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: the hump at being like a commercial success. Why do

2089
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: you think that is, like in your opinion for being

2090
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: someone wh's been so close to him. I mean, this

2091
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: is a record business. You gotta make records, you know

2092
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: what I mean, I feel like like Dave has he

2093
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: has all the qualities to make him be over that.

2094
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: But like I just feel like because I still, you know,

2095
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I tune into this shiit like me and Dave don't

2096
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: first and all, like me and Dave don't have a

2097
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: bad report, right, I mean, like it was a point

2098
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: in time where we weren't speaking. But regardless of that,

2099
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Dave had reached out to me when I lost my

2100
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: father because him and my father had their own relationship

2101
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: and he was he was very sincere his approach, and

2102
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: I took Dave to become Muslim. He's gonna be my

2103
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: brother forever. He's my brother here in and in after life.

2104
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: So I loved it. But I always felt like Dave

2105
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 1: I always for me. My vision for him was to

2106
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: always be bigger. I don't know what the vision that

2107
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: he had for himself once I stopped working with him,

2108
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I don't know what

2109
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: transpired after that. We went on separate ways. But like

2110
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: I just felt like Dave has an insane ability. He's

2111
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: he's a dope rapper. That's why I was fucking with him,

2112
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean looking like

2113
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 1: I just I feel like he checks all the boxes,

2114
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: checks all the boxes. But I mean, you gotta remember, bro,

2115
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: everybody's not like everybody's not meant to be what we

2116
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: want them to be. And you see that in sports

2117
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: before you see the music, you know what I mean,

2118
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 1: Like all the time, Bro, you know how many number

2119
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: one picks I was living and dying, buying and then

2120
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: like they end up not being mohammed. But you know

2121
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: they reclassified him because he was older, he was lying

2122
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: by his age and all that shit. Yeah, but like

2123
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: but but yeah, even him, like when he's at UCLA,

2124
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins, Andrew Andrew Wiggan Yo, I swech I wanted

2125
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: the Sons to tank for Wiggins. Bro Dante ExHAM hex

2126
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: him from He's from Australia. He's from Australia. But let

2127
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: me tell you something, bro, it wasn't a person I

2128
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: want a hundred dollar bet off of off of Andrew

2129
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: Wiggins when he came to the league because I was

2130
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: betting one of the East homies. He said that he

2131
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: went average fourteen points. I was like, I said, he's

2132
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna get his fourteen points off of fast? I said's

2133
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: gonna get eight points off of Fast Break the Kids

2134
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: a freak athlete, Like, you can't fuck that package up.

2135
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: But I feel like he still has the ability. Some

2136
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: people unlock it later on lebron Shoe was instant. Mellows instant,

2137
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: Zach Lavine's unlocked it. Later on, Yeah, Zach Lavine unlocked

2138
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: it later on you know what I'm saying, like like

2139
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, like, are you are you a Nick fan? No,

2140
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: I'm a Lakers fan. No really, that's interesting, that's convenient. No,

2141
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: no, no no it's not. I mean, second greatest franchise of

2142
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: all time. But I sucked through the tough time. See

2143
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: anybody was like I was watching when it was void

2144
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: and Eddie Jones, Nick van X absolutely bro listen. I

2145
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: used to tape the memories kids. But I used to

2146
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: take the NBA draft. We couldn't go on Instagram and

2147
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: just re see it. Used to take that ship. I

2148
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: used to remember when when NBA Live and have the

2149
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: rookies ris to write down every single rookie and look

2150
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: at all their attributes and create them on live and ship. Bro.

2151
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I was a fun I'm a basketball fan. I love

2152
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: My love for the for the Lakers came not just

2153
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: from they didn't come from the convenience of Shaq and Kobe.

2154
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: It came from Phil Jackson. That's why I name my

2155
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: company Triangle Offense, because I started that. You were kind

2156
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 1: of a later Laker fan, man, I was, but I was,

2157
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: I said, was a kid before you were a Laker fan.

2158
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: Were you a Nick fan? No? I was a Bulls fan. Yeah,

2159
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, but I was. I'm a Suns fan.

2160
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm from Phoenix. But why use a Oh that's tough. No, no,

2161
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: because as a kid, it was just Michael Jeordan's Michael Jordan.

2162
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: But that's why I be telling people. So it's like

2163
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: when you meet a kid that's eight years old, you'd

2164
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 1: be like, who's your favorite team? It's the Golden State

2165
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: Wars when they was seventy three and nine, because they

2166
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 1: the best. It's marketing, it's the best thing. But like,

2167
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm a Laker fan. Laker fan, do you think like, like,

2168
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so much of a Lagka fan. I

2169
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: was against Lebron coming to the Lagas at first. You're

2170
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: one of those Kobe guys. Man, you have your side

2171
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: of the of the war and it's Kobe. I had

2172
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: a lot of Lebron Kobe arguments. Bro, Well you've had

2173
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 1: that Lebron argue. I had almost fist fight arguments about

2174
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: Lebron Kobe Bro. So it's like when you had Kobe's

2175
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 1: better than Lebron. Huh, you're saying Kobe's better than Lebron.

2176
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a better athlete. I'm talking about that,

2177
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: just better all time, all time. Great conversation. You're putting

2178
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Kobe over Lebron all time? Okay, all right, do you

2179
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: see at least you're reasonable. You're reasonable. I'm not because

2180
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Lebron bro. Like Steve Kurt said the relationship about Lebron

2181
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 1: one time, he's like, yo, you know how hard it

2182
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: is to get to the finals? He like even if

2183
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: he's lost, Like like, even if he's lost, you know

2184
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get It's people that seeing

2185
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: the finals on the bench one time and didn't have

2186
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: a career after that. I always tell people, like the

2187
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: year he went, it was at five and then they

2188
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 1: had him was seven when Eric Snow was the point going.

2189
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: But that's the second worst team to a AIS team

2190
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: as team was rough by the way, both both teams

2191
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: had Eric and Aaron McK I think probably yeah, and Aaron,

2192
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 1: but like so, and he went through the Pistons in

2193
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals. They wasn't they were still the Pistons, though,

2194
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: come on, we're not gonna do to Michael Jordan. And

2195
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: it was the Pistons he went to. Know it was

2196
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: the Pistons that beat the Lakers, who had Karl Malone

2197
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: and Gary Payton. It was I know, but as a

2198
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,879
Speaker 1: rookie was as a lot of factors why that championship

2199
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: the way that today? The thing I will say about

2200
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: Lebron is Lebron has the greatest championship. I agree twenty

2201
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: sixteen that was the greatest. And I could have went

2202
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 1: to that ship, bro, Really, I could have went to

2203
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 1: a game. We was on tour. Fred, you remember that

2204
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: we was on tour. I've known Rich Paul since like

2205
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, two thousand and three. I've known, right,

2206
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I've never met Lebron in my life though, that's the

2207
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: crazy thing. But I've known Respaul for maya. So some

2208
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 1: little girl. We end up we on we I'm managing

2209
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Dave we on tour and we're in we in Cleveland

2210
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: and we got a show in Columbus the next day.

2211
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: And this little girl. She keeps looking or whatever, and

2212
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: then Rich Paul walks in. I'm like, oh shit, Rich

2213
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: was good. Nobody knew what Rich looked like at that time,

2214
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: like that unless you really really right. So I chop

2215
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: it up a Rich you know. He's like, Yo, that's

2216
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: my daughter. He's like, yo, could she take a picture

2217
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: with Dave. I'm like, yeah, they take a picture. So

2218
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: he like, Yo, what y'all doing tonight? I'm like, yeah,

2219
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: we about to go to Columbus. We got a show.

2220
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: He like, man, come to the game. I think I

2221
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: think they might have been down one. I think it was.

2222
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 1: I think they was down though. Was they down? Was

2223
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: it three? It wasn't three to one? I can't I

2224
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 1: can't remember what the series was at. But they was

2225
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: at home. And he's like, yo, come to the game

2226
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: to night. I'm like, nah, because the show that we

2227
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: had he was getting some bread. I'm not missing that

2228
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 1: the show. I needed that show. So he's like, all right,

2229
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: but that we could have went to that fucking we

2230
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: could have went to that that ship, bro. But also

2231
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: it's like, we had like how many peoples with us,

2232
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: like fifteen people. I don't think anyone's ever faced harder

2233
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: competition in the finals than Lebron. Yes and no, so well,

2234
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: yes and no, because you know what people people always like, Oh,

2235
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: Michael jord play against Jeff Wrna Sack, you know what

2236
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, but John Stocked the one of

2237
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 1: the toughest white boys in touch a basket. I just

2238
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: but I just think of like Lebron had to go

2239
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: against the first era of the peak Spurs in seven, right,

2240
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: then he had to go against Kawhi Spurs. This is

2241
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: what the heat. Then then against the Warriors. They wasn't

2242
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: Kawhi Spurs when they won. Yeah, but Kawhi was that

2243
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: motherfucker it was, But they wasn't. They wasn't like we

2244
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,799
Speaker 1: nobody even thought that Kawhi. So he played the Spurs

2245
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: three times in the finals, he played the thunder that

2246
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 1: had three future MVPs. OKC is the worst basketball organization

2247
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: of all time. The fact they never got a ring

2248
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: is crazy. Not even that, bro not even that. The

2249
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: fact that they paid Sergey Bakab but instead of James

2250
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: James for two million dollars, James Harden went sixty sixty

2251
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: five and they offered him sixty three. And they said

2252
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: that they didn't want a decision in Oklahoma City and

2253
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 1: they let him go. But think about it. So he

2254
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: played that team, which in retrospect is one of the

2255
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: most talented rosters ever. Now they had Reggie Jackson on

2256
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,759
Speaker 1: that It was mad people in that team, the Warriors

2257
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: four straight years three No, it was four, right, it

2258
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 1: was four. It was four. Yeah, so four lost and

2259
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: then they won and then they lost again twice. Mind you.

2260
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: The first year that he lost, Kyrie and Love weren't playing.

2261
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: He had Matthew him the m v P. Anyway, and

2262
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Andrea Goodala you got the m v P because Steph

2263
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 1: was kind of whatever. And look, step that's the one

2264
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 1: think about Steph too, Yo, Steph doesn't have never I

2265
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: just had this argument with this motherfucker. Only does he

2266
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: not but listen, but I love Steph Curry. That only

2267
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 1: does he never got a finals MVP. Only does he

2268
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: have done? I have a finals MVP. He doesn't. He

2269
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: has a lot of clutch shots in the season, he

2270
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: don't have those in the finals. Just was yelling at

2271
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 1: this motherfucker about them. He's not the goat. He's not.

2272
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: He's changed the worst. He's the most influent. I think

2273
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,440
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, And I'm not talking about culture. He's the greatest.

2274
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's ever influenced the way basketball's

2275
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 1: played like he has. Yes, who Michael Jordan, Bro, But

2276
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: but think about the last eight years. No, the whole

2277
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,839
Speaker 1: game has changed with the way people should get analyst,

2278
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: you play me in the way people played play ball

2279
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: when he was a kid. Yeah, Bro, do you remember

2280
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,560
Speaker 1: the trouble you would get in if you shot a

2281
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: fucking three? You would get your coach on your head. Yo,

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01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 1: not even on a fast break, because nobody shot threes

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01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: on fast breaks. But I'm talking about I remember when

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01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: General as a bad shot and I shot a three

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01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: from the corner. I did, and it was in the

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01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: first quarter. I didn't play again the whole game now,

2287
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: and I almost made it. I almost made the ship.

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01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 1: He's just created a whole He's changed basketball. He has,

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01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: I think more than anyone as far as just how

2290
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: it's lell how it's played. Yes, I'm gonna tell you

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01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: how because because of Lebron James and Lebron's Lebron's my

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01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: personal favorite player ever. Because of Lebron James being the height,

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01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,640
Speaker 1: he's the size of Carmelone. He's a monster. He's the

2294
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 1: size of car malone, and he runs as fast as

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01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson. It's crazy. So that's what I'm saying. So

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01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,719
Speaker 1: after I feel like after Lebron is when AAU, because

2297
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, the ship is a ground up business. Where

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01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: AAU started looking at kids because when we were kids,

2299
01:43:58,360 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: if he was the tallest kid or you was tall,

2300
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: is standing in and do this jump up and down

2301
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: catch re bounds. You can't even take a shot for real,

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01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: right facts Now the big man has to know how

2303
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: to dribble down, the big man has to know how

2304
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: to pass. They train the kids to know everything. And

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01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: I think that that's because Lebron. That's fair, that's fair.

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01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: That's because Lebron. I always say, if I ask somebody

2307
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: who's the greatest of all time and their answer isn't

2308
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: either Michael Jordan or Lebron James, then they don't know

2309
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 1: what the fuck they're talking about, right, because who else

2310
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: is a Kareem maybe? And I don't give a fuck

2311
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: what people think about the feelings of this situation. Kevin

2312
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Durant might go down as the greatest scorer. I think

2313
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 1: him or James Harden James Harden too, but Kevin. The

2314
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: thing about Kevin Durant is I think the only edge

2315
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: he has on on James is his height because at

2316
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 1: his height, he's another one that changed the game too,

2317
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 1: where Au started looking at kids like, oh now, we

2318
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: gotta start telling these kids. You know what I mean,

2319
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that we're like alive to watch

2320
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: both of them play at the same time. Hard like

2321
01:44:58,120 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: probably the two they're gonna probably go down to two

2322
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:05,799
Speaker 1: to scorn. But that's why Braun is like people, well, Kobe,

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01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 1: That's why I always quate Wayne to Kobe because Wayne,

2324
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Broun has played in so Broun Drake Yeah, okay, absolutely,

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01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,719
Speaker 1: j Jordan, yeah yeah, but Bron Wayne is definitely Kobe

2326
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: because Wayne Wayne got a song that's enough. Nobody can

2327
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: do a verses against Wayne. Bro, It's impossible. You can't know.

2328
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: Don't tell me, no, Bro. I was at the Drake

2329
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: versus Wayne to it and I was like, Damn, Drake

2330
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 1: got wayboard just joints. But Bro, I don't know who

2331
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: selected his records, but Bro, but Wayne has a record,

2332
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 1: and think about basketball, No, he's got a record in

2333
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:42,719
Speaker 1: every real quick real quick think about basketball. Think about

2334
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: Wayne's music in every basketball era. No, you're right, hit

2335
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: record He's had. He's had records in every era, in

2336
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 1: every era. I do not disagree every era. Bro I

2337
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: don't like Drake is gonna be the evol version of

2338
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: Wayne I mean as an artist, is what I mean?

2339
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Who do you think fully healthy? You think the Lakers

2340
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: are are taking it this year? If they're fully al

2341
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 1: absolutely kd my Man, but dragging that book and ship

2342
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: and it ain't got J James And there's no defense.

2343
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: There's no defense in the NBA period, No but but

2344
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: but except for on the Lakers because they're fucking top

2345
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: five defensive team without a D and Lebron since since

2346
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: they've been out. Yo, Frank Vogel, low key, listen, Frank Fogel,

2347
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 1: I was like, but but but nah, he was firing Indiana.

2348
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: But but That's what I was about to say. If.

2349
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 1: I hate the word if, but because there was a

2350
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: point in time where poor George bro I love Poor

2351
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: George is my fair play? Not no more Lucat Luca

2352
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: the down lucas me and you are fucking I always

2353
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 1: tell everybody Luca might go down as the greatest of

2354
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: all time. Lucas definitely gonna be the greatest white man

2355
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: to play basketball ever, Like it's year three. But but

2356
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: but he gotta win some though he always got he will.

2357
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: But but but that Pacers team, Bro, they had to

2358
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,560
Speaker 1: go up against Miami, they gave him hell. Bro, I

2359
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 1: get upset when I'm playing too K online and somebody

2360
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: picks Miami and I got I get it up set, bro,

2361
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,000
Speaker 1: because I hate that. But that Indiana team was that

2362
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: top to bottom. That's when Danny Granger wasn't sweet. Granger

2363
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: was nice. This was Roy Roy Hibbert was decent before

2364
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: the big Man was extinct. And and and then remember

2365
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: when Roy Hibbert found his groove for Lance Stevenson was

2366
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: a nice all around hill. Georgia was given the people help, No, no,

2367
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 1: the Pacers I remember, I remember I was like legit

2368
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 1: scared for Lebron one of those years. I think when

2369
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: they met in the Eastern Conference finals, I was like

2370
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: that ship went with David West. David they fight everybody.

2371
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I would like to see David West and uh celebrity

2372
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: and and and uh what's the ol g on the

2373
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: fucking heat it's been on? There hasling. That would be

2374
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 1: a fight that would be a real like I paid

2375
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: money to see HASLM versus. Yeah, because that David West

2376
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: is like a black belter, So I already got like

2377
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: serious might be saying it, but I ain't see no action.

2378
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 1: That's fair man. Well look, man, I appreciate you coming through.

2379
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Your podcast is every Thursday, Every Thursday, hear Me Out

2380
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: with Wayne. It's on all platforms. Please make sure that

2381
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: you rate and review. That's important. Rates and reviews are

2382
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: very very important. Even more hit the like on the YouTube,

2383
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: the likes. Share it. All I really care about is

2384
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: if you see it and you like it, you should

2385
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: like some resonates. Share it, you know what I mean?

2386
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: Please just share it. My ship is rooted in the

2387
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: people because I am one of them. There it is,

2388
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 1: I man. We'll go go go support and Triangle offense

2389
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: dot com. No, no, no, no no, get your it's not

2390
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: out yet. It's not when it's coming, when it comes

2391
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,640
Speaker 1: with me and you do a little fifteen minutes, you

2392
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We talked some basketball again. It

2393
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 1: is because I feel like we could do a whole

2394
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 1: hour with basketball, for sure, But we do that and

2395
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: we do some Triangle offenship. But the merchants coming. Everybody

2396
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: who just if you fuck with Wayne. No, thank you, keV.

2397
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. We're trying to make this happen.

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Speaker 1: Thank perfect