1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: I hope you brought your appetite today. Welcome to Table 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: for two. We have another great summer lunch cooking up 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: at the Tower Bar. Oh my god, I'm having lunch 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: with Jon Hamm today. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: So it's too long coming. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't be more excited for today's interview. Not only 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: is our guest one of the most talented and handsome 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: men in Hollywood, he's also one of the most down 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: to earth, easygoing, charming people around. He's an actor you 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: almost can't help having an infinity for which might explain 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: his success across the board, from television to film, comedy 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: to drama, and everywhere in between. America fell in love 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: with him on mad Men, and he hasn't stopped pumping 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: out hits since, from the Town to last year's blockbuster 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick. 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: Oh, you know what, let's order some lunch. 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Let's do it all about. Just do both order like 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: the giant rabbis. 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: So sit back, grab a glass of rose, and maybe 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: a buye to eat, because today we're having lunch with 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: John ham I'm Bruce Bozzi and this is my podcast 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Table for two. First of all, this is super exciting 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: for me to sit and have lunch with you alone. 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: I've seen you. 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: We recently had dinner at friends of ours house and 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: it was great. 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: We always see each other, except for the time we 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: flew on a plane together, but we always see each 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: other in groups. 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: And groups China. 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I ran into each other on an American Airlines flight 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: and then. 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Ran enough we might get to you know, freaking flying run. 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Could we get like tickets please? And then we saw 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: let me at dinner. No, we were having dinner our 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: tables near each other in New York before SNL. 37 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: Are you more more la more la? 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: For sure? 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: But you know, we just bought. 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: A place in New York. 41 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: I very much enjoy being able to go to New 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 4: York for reasons exactly. 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Like that, right, I think having both both ends of it. 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: You and Andy are both from Saint Louis. Andy Cohen 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: my best buddy, and Saint Louis. I didn't know much 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: about anything Midwest. 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: I was a New York guy. 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I drove to pick up Andy's mom's car. Yeah, when 49 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: she said, you can have my car, So we flew 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: and we drove back and like I went there and 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: there were all these the neighbors brought cookies over and 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is really and you and 53 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Andy are like, you, guys, what do you think is 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: about where you. 55 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: You nailed it on the head, like it's it's a neighborhood, 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 4: you know, and Andy's Andy's neighborhood. I grew up kind 57 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: of in a different part of town in Saint Louis, 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: And it won't mean anything to any but that's not 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: from Saint Louis, but it's. 60 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: Saint Louis very parochial. 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: So where you're from and where you grew up is 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: like really establishes right where you're what your kind of 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: connections were in neighborhoods, and there's a lot of signifiers 64 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: for us Saint Louis's. But I ended up going to 65 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 4: a private high school that became my community where I 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 4: met the majority of my friends, and that was very 67 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 4: close to where Andy grew up in Clayton, next door 68 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: to do which is next door community. But they're very 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: similar in their makeup from a religious standpoint, from a 70 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: you know, economic standpoint, from a racial standpoint, everything. So 71 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: we have a lot of like in fact, we had 72 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: dinner a couple of weeks ago in New York City 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: and we for the first twenty five minutes. We were 74 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: both apologizing to my fiancee because we were just like, 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: none of this means in any of you, but we 76 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: have to get through it for twenty minutes and then 77 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: I promise will shut up. 78 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: And it was really funny. But it's true. That's the thing, 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: and you don't have it so much here in La. 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: Now you know it all. 81 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: You have a different version of it because if your 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: kids go to a certain school, then you're the school 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: kind of community. But that's very floated with all the 84 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: other stuff that goes with it. But yeah, in Saint Louis, 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: it was more about who you knew, and the community 86 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: was where you ran around and played and the parents 87 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: all kind of looked out for all the other kids, right, 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: And that kind of led to the things you were 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 4: saying of like, oh, your friends coming to drive your car, 90 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 4: let be making some cookies. 91 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: Right, of course, why wouldn't you. 92 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: You know, you also like growing up in Saint Louis. 93 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: You know one of the things that you've talked about 94 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: a lot is you were like a renaissance man. 95 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: You did it all and you were talented at it all. 96 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: What was difficult when I was thinking about you I 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: was like, you know, did you ever have your heart broken. 98 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: In Yeah, for sure. 99 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 4: Everybody has a version of whatever pain they go through 100 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: in life. And I didn't grow up a lot of money. 101 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: I grew up with very little money. In fact, I 102 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: was raised until I was ten years old by my 103 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: mom as a single mom. She was got divorced when 104 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 4: I was a little kid, and then she died when 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 4: I was ten, and so then I had to go 106 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: live with my dad, who was a great guy but 107 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 4: not a not didn't have the capacity to kind of 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: raise a kid. So then I was raised by the community, 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: and that was the school that I went to. So 110 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: there was a lot of like you know, kind of 111 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: whatever emotions and experiences to unpack from from just that 112 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: over the course of a lifetime, being raised by a 113 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 4: single mom and an only and being an only child. 114 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: I have two half sisters, but they were out of 115 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: the picture when I was When I was being raised 116 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 4: by my mom, the world was opportunity, you know. 117 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: So it was like, go find a book, go to 118 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: the library. So I would go to the. 119 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: Library and I'd go check out LPs of comedy things, 120 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: and I would go get Chi chen' chong and I 121 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: would go get Bob Newhart and I would go get 122 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: Richard Pryor and I would and it was really wildly inappropriate, 123 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: most of them for. 124 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: A seven year old, eight year old, but it. 125 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 4: Was something to do, and my mom was it was free. 126 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: Those are the other things. So it was like I 127 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 4: was dependent upon the community, whether it was Cub Scouts, 128 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: boy Scouts, whether it was community athletics. You know, you 129 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: only had to pay nine dollars and I could play 130 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: soccer for a season, and you know that included your 131 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: uniform and all the other stuff that made you feel 132 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: like you were good. 133 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: And the coach was some divorced dad. 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 4: Who didn't anything else to do, and you know, you 135 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 4: weren't exactly training to be a professional soccer player, but 136 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 4: it was something to do. So those are the kinds 137 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: of things that I gravitated toward. And then my mom 138 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 4: would put me in art classes, and she'd put me 139 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 4: in acting classes because she knew it was something to do, 140 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: that I wouldn't have fun with it, that I could 141 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: meet other kids, and that I would be you know, 142 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 4: and then she could then go to work. 143 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: She had to work, you know, from nine to five 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: every day. 145 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: She was the secretary and so that was like that 146 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: was again, and that's idea of like in local parentics, 147 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: like that I was taken care of by the community, 148 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: which is why I'm when I talk about how much 149 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: a hometown kid I am, it's like, why get back. 150 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, John, I didn't know that you 151 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: lost your parents young and and the profound effect that 152 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: it has on anybody, But you also did something. I 153 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: think that there's a strength that you know you coming 154 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: to LA with one hundred and fifty bucks in your pocket. 155 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 1: It feels like you had a self reliance that must 156 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: come from experiencing such profound yeah loss. 157 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: I talked my therapists about this a lot. She tries 158 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: to put some of this stuff into a context, which 159 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: is helpful, but it's like, you know, there's a way 160 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: to look at it, like, Okay, the bad thing has happened, right, 161 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: you're still here. Yeah, So the bad thing happened and 162 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 4: you're still here and you're still doing something and you 163 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: have the motor still running. 164 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the what's what's what could happen? 165 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: You go to LA and another bad thing happened, Well, 166 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: you dust yourself off and you'll keep walking for me, 167 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: the real challenge of Los Angeles was just scale. 168 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: I remember driving into Los Angeles. 169 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: Being like, I'm here, and in reality I was about 170 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: thirty miles out of LA because that was where like 171 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: Sam Bernardino started or whatever. 172 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: But it looked like and I was like, when do 173 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: I get to Hollywood? Where's Hollywood? What's Hollywood's And I'm 174 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: just driving on the ten. Eventually, and like an hour later, 175 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, look is this place. 176 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: I gotta be a lie. Of course, this is a 177 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: time before GPS or anything. So I'm looking on a map, 178 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: the giant phone book. But it's It's just it was scale. 179 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: And then it was. 180 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: How do I how do I find a way into 181 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: this monstrous puzzle that everybody seems to know the secret 182 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: doors and the and the passages and everything. 183 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: How did you do that? 184 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: One day at a time? Man? 185 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 4: It was literally like when you get that book which 186 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 4: for people that don't know what we're talking about, there 187 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 4: used to be a phone book size. 188 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: Map of life. 189 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: What was the name of that called Thomas? God, we 190 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: all had the Thomas. 191 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: Added in your car. Crazy go to am I? 192 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: How do I find my way from Burbank to Century 193 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: City And it was. 194 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: It was what it was. 195 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, things took a little longer, but you look at 196 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: this book and I'm not kidding it was the size 197 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: of a phone book, you know, And you think, I'm. 198 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: Never gone under? Am I going to? Are you kidding me? 199 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: But like anything else, you realize, okay, you break it 200 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: down into smaller and smaller, digestible kind. 201 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: Of pieces and chunks. 202 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: You go, okay, wow, I see this is like, this 203 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: is West Hollywood, this is where most of those things are, 204 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: and then this is the valley and that's where most 205 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: of those. 206 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: And how did you know where to go? 207 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: Though? 208 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: So John's story is you go back to the high 209 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: school that you went to and you were working there 210 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: and you were like the number two to your drama 211 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: and then you're like, okay, I'm gonna what then propels 212 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: John to say, I'm doing it. I'm going to go 213 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: to Hollywood. I'm gonna try out. 214 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: I had always planned on doing it after college, and 215 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: I went to school and got a theater scholarship and 216 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: did acting in college and everything, and it was kind 217 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: of the one thing that I kept coming back to 218 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: because people kept saying, Hey, you know, you're not bad 219 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: at this. You should try that good at this, and 220 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: if somebody keeps telling you're good at something, eventually it 221 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: sticks and you're like, I guess I'm good at this. 222 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: You've got a scholarship to do it. 223 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: And then sort of my generation of actors from my school, again, 224 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: you're in the Midwest, so there's not a lot of, 225 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 4: you know, jobs for actors, so you're either going to 226 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 4: go to Chicago, which was the closest place New York, 227 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: or and most of my group went to Chicago, some 228 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: came to LA. Really nobody went to New York. But 229 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: I had a bunch of friends in New York. Think 230 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: about it, like, do I want to be to go 231 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: to New York? I don't really want to focus on theater. 232 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: Do I want to live in New York? It's so 233 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: expensive back then, because I knew what my friends were 234 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: paying for rent and how much money they were making 235 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: and how you know much it was. 236 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: And this is again in the nineties, I was like, 237 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: I had a family in LA, I've got a couple 238 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: of friends in LA. 239 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: Maybe I was going to LA, but I had no money. 240 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: So that was the plan was then, okay, I mean. 241 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: No mine? 242 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: Well, and that was when I graduated college in nineteen 243 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: ninety three, I moved back to Saint Louis and I. 244 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: Was like, I need to get a job. 245 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: I lived in my college roommate's family's house in their basement, 246 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: then know where to live until I got a job. And 247 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 4: I finally got a job waiting tables, and I'd started 248 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: to earning enough money that could get an apartment. I 249 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: got an apartment with a kid I went to high 250 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: school with, and we shared a place for like a year. 251 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: And then during this time I had talked to my 252 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: my high school and said, would it be possible for. 253 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: Me to come teach. 254 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: At the you know, at the incredible annual you know, 255 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: salary of something ridiculously cheap. So I was like, wow, okay, 256 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 4: that'll be great, and then I could save that money 257 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: and then I can go to la which of course 258 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 4: I'd saved none of the money. And then at the 259 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: end of the day, I got a one hundred dollars 260 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 4: check from my grandfather. 261 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: And had another figure where'd the money go? 262 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: You know, twenty four year old whatever. They went to 263 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: the but it was it was one of those things 264 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: and I knew it would be an. 265 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: They asked me if I wanted to stay for another 266 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: year because I really did enjoy it, and they enjoyed 267 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: having me and the kids like me, and I was like, 268 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: I could see me doing this for the rest of 269 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: my life, and I think I would be happy, but 270 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 4: I don't think I would be fulfilled, because they would 271 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 4: always be the one tenth of a percent that was like, well, 272 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: what if you tried? You never tried, and I was like, 273 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 4: I gotta try. And that was when I was like, 274 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: I'm twenty four turning twenty five. I'll give myself five years. 275 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: It's essentially a presidential administration. 276 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: I do think that's the number. 277 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: And I said, if I'm not doing this by thirty 278 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: in a way that I'm sustainable, then the market has 279 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: spoken and it's time for me to pursue other alternatives. 280 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: Because I just knew I'd worked at that point in 281 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: enough restaurants that I knew the guy that worked in 282 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: the restaurant that was you could tell was the guy 283 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: eight years ago, yep, and just never got out of 284 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: that circle. 285 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: That's such an important awareness that you have that you 286 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: were able to look at that and see that a 287 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: lot of young people can't see that, and to see 288 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: that heartbreak in somebody or like that sort of defeat 289 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: that happens. 290 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: And well, it's super easy in alive, I mean, because 291 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 4: the normal markers of time don't exist here. They don't 292 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: so you like, how many times have you done this as, 293 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 4: oh was that was that two years ago? They're like 294 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: that was twenty ten, and you're like, what it was 295 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: thirteen years ago? It's crazy, I've done that so many 296 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: times recently where you're like, oh my god, it was 297 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. Like and of course we 298 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: had the weird pandemic loss of two years that just 299 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: went by in a weird blur. But I will say 300 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 4: that without having the markers of traditional seasons, you don't 301 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: have the sense of time passing as much. 302 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: When I moved out here in my early twenties, didn't 303 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: know what I wanted to do, but I knew I 304 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: was roughly twenty three, and then at twenty seven, I said, 305 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: you have to leave because this city's asking very little 306 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: of you and you're not motivated enough to give it back. 307 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: And it was just time was very elusive because summer 308 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: was winter, was spring. 309 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: Was fall, and you're right, seventy two degrees in sunny 310 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: every day. I got really good at golf. When I 311 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: moved out here, there was a public golf course. It 312 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: was nine dollars to play, and I went with all 313 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: my broke roommates and we played golf every day. 314 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I got a good ten. Welcome 315 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: back to table. For two. 316 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: John has been telling us about his complicated childhood and 317 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: making the move to Hollywood. It wasn't easy from the 318 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: get go, which begs the question what kept John in 319 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: the room? What was the thing that you said, Okay, 320 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm in. 321 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: So to get back to my promise to myself, right, 322 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: I said by thirty. I guess when I turned This 323 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: would have been around nineteen ninety nine. Ied in twenty 324 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: eight and I booked my first job. I finally got 325 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: a job. 326 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: I'd been dropped by Willian Morris bed this point. I 327 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: had signed with. 328 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: Another small agency, and I just like, all right, and 329 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: now I gotta get back either get back on the 330 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: on the bike or pack it up like I'll give 331 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: a warm more shot. Maybe agency was too big. I 332 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: got lost. They didn't gonna be a fighting for me. 333 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: So I tried this on a small agency. Judy Shane 334 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: in Associates, I don't know if you remember Judy Shane. 335 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: She was. 336 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: She was kind of an old She came out of 337 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: freddie Field's office like Tony Howard, like all these ladies 338 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: and these are like big deals. So she started her 339 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: own place and she was very small. And there's two 340 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: old ladies at Raymond here and Jimmy Raymond. And I 341 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: was like, all right, this feels a little more comfortable. 342 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: I got this feminine energy the older ladies a little 343 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: more in my wheelhouse. I can talk to they can 344 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 4: tell me what's up in a gentle way, and said, 345 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: why am Why am I not? 346 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: What's what's not connected? And it worked. So I got 347 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: this job. It was on a TV show just it was. 348 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 4: For a top of show, guest star network show, and 349 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: I think I got paid like ten grand it was, 350 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: but so it was more money than I made all 351 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: of last year. 352 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: And it worked one day. It was like an eighteen 353 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: hour day. So I also got like overtime and all 354 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: the first stuff, and it was it was a part. 355 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: It was like a real part. 356 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: I got to play opposite Paula Kale who was the 357 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: lead of the show or the second leader of the show, 358 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: Meline and Cannakarius was the lead oft show. It is 359 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: called Providence and Friday Night on NBC Family Show about 360 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 4: as soft as you know, day old oatmeal. It was 361 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 4: just literally like, okay, this is fine. There's a place 362 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: for this too, and it was fun and I had 363 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: a great Melanie Mayron. 364 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: Direct to day. I'll never forget it. 365 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: I used to watch on thirty something. I still see 366 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: her nowadays. I was like, you know, you were the 367 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 4: nicest person to be game. It means so much. 368 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: Anyways, that was my first job, and then I got 369 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: another job. 370 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 4: They had three lines on the Hugles Deal Huglee Show 371 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 4: sitcom Backer. 372 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: They got a pilot. 373 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 4: It was a comedy that I never went but and 374 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: they recast it and I got to do it again 375 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 4: with the new person that they cast, and then it 376 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: went but they didn't have any room for me on it. 377 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: So I wasn't fired, but I just wasn't used. But 378 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: I got three more paychecks for it, and I was like, 379 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: I'm doing this. Then Providence called and they said, hey, 380 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: we loved your character so much and our lead is 381 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: pregnant and we got to kind of shoot around her now, 382 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: so can we We're gonna bump your storyline up to 383 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 4: the thing we're gonna bring. 384 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: You back is the love interest. And I was like, 385 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: what does that mean. 386 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: They're like, we want, we want you for thirteen more episodes, 387 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: and again I was like thirteen times ten and I'm correct, 388 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 4: it's one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, which I have 389 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: not made in my life up to this point. And 390 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: I was like, you gotta be kidding me. And then 391 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: that was kind of They're like, no, we're in. That 392 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 4: was the game change, like oh wow. And then two 393 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: thousand came around and I booked a movie and I 394 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: had about three lines in the movie. It was a 395 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: feature film. Paramount Mel Gibson was the star, Greg Kinnear, 396 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: Sam Elliott, Barry Pepper, all these young guys. I was 397 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 4: in the kind of younger tier underneath these guys. And 398 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: my agent was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, 399 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 4: it's only a couple of lines in this movie. I 400 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 4: was like, you know what, but if you read the script, 401 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: I'm like around all the time. 402 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: Just let me. 403 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna be in 404 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: this movie more than you think. And they wanted me 405 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 4: to start basic Training was a war movie, Vietnam War 406 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 4: movie Basic Training. I was like, I'm gonna be around 407 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 4: these guys. I just want to be around, you know. 408 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: And I got paid. I got a paid every day 409 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 4: and I turned thirty on that movie down in Atlanta, Georgia, Columbus, Georgia, 410 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, I'm actually I. 411 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: Quit my waiting finally. I saw on this movie for 412 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: six months. 413 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 4: And I was getting paid, and I had all the 414 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: money from the previous gig. 415 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: I was like, I think I can. 416 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: I paid off all my student loans, I paid up 417 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: all my credit cards, my back rent, everything that I owed, 418 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 4: got out a part, I got a car that worked 419 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 4: for the first time in my life. 420 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: And John, it's just like and so I was like, okay. 421 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: You know thirty. It was five years. It took me 422 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: four every bit of four four and a half. 423 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: But I love you telling this story. 424 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: And I hope that people listening to this story really 425 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: understand because it's very easy to look at you and 426 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: look at the career. 427 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 3: You have to see the John hann now and not 428 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: know that and be like. 429 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 4: You know, I was the classic example of the ten 430 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 4: year overnight success. 431 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, sure, It's a heartwarming story to me too, 432 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: because again, not only do you have the village that's 433 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: helped you, not only have you had the profound loss 434 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: in your life of two of the most significant relationships 435 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: that we have, you have the strength of yourself to 436 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: and the wherewithal to be in it, and the goodness 437 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: there's so much goodness to come off for you, John, 438 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: just so you know, and there is so much well 439 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: I also. 440 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Want when I in my dotage at this point, whenever 441 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: anybody from my hometown or from my high school or 442 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: Missoo or wherever comes out here, I generally get a 443 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 4: call from somebody who's like, hey, can you sit down 444 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 4: with this kid for an hour? 445 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: I have a couple of coffee, tell them what's what? 446 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: And I'm always like, you know, there's no there's no 447 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: rule book and the and the and the rules of 448 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: the game, if even if there was, have changed so 449 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 4: much since I was out here, not only from not 450 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 4: having to look at an analog map to figure out 451 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 4: where you're going, but but just like in the social 452 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: media aspect and the idea of having a different play, 453 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: I feel exactly and I had no sons, you. 454 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: Know, don drape or is an iconic character. You brought 455 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: to life, an that kind of character that will live 456 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: on forever. And you guys, you captured a very specific 457 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: moment in time. If you had to sort of say, 458 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: like with Dondre, what did you relate to with Dre 459 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: Britton like and was there anything about him that you detested? 460 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 2: You know what? 461 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 4: It's it's hard to it's hard to play a character 462 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 4: like that and with any kind of judgment because then 463 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 4: you're kind of you're removing yourself from it looking at 464 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: it from a different perspective. I can do that now, 465 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 4: and I can look at a lot of stuff. Don 466 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: you goo right, there were some behaviors that really were 467 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: But I can also look at it and under and 468 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 4: look at it with understanding, and I think that that's 469 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, people used set it ton well, he's such 470 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: a he's such a rough character. That's not I go, 471 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 4: you know what he's he's misunderstood, you know, And it's 472 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: and you can always look at with the exception of 473 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: people that are truly truly evil, and I don't think 474 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: Don is evil. There's a motivation and explanation for a 475 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: lot of their behavior. Don's a very broken person and 476 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: he's he's got a lot. I have a lot of 477 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: compassion for that. He was not he wasn't dealt a 478 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: great hand to start with, and he's played that into 479 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 4: a pretty great position. And unfortunately there's been a lot 480 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: of collateral damage from his narcissism selfishness. However, he has 481 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: needed to feel like he has had to motivate and 482 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: navigate his life with the tools that he has, So 483 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: I do think for down the fact that he comes 484 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 4: to a place of understanding and acceptance and peace at 485 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 4: the end of the story that we told, which was 486 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: very much Matthew's objective for that, and it was on purpose. 487 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about the last kind of. 488 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 4: Last six or seven episode, Don leaves New York kind 489 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: of goes on this quest. 490 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 2: It's like Sidarta, right. 491 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: He just removes all of the things, he gives everything 492 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 4: away and at the end he has a JC Penny's 493 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 4: bag and that's it, and he ends up on the 494 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: end of the earth. He can't run away any further, 495 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 4: and he's stuck with himself. And then he has to 496 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: kind of understand like what is it? 497 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: What are you? And it comes to him that this 498 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: is what he is he's a guy who comes up with. 499 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: Slogans and he's an ad guy comes up and the 500 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 4: thing goes back, lives his life. Who knows how he dies, 501 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: but he does die, and eventually. 502 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: We all do. 503 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 4: So I do think that there was a lot for 504 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 4: me to to grasp onto and there was, and it 505 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: was as a character and as a as a role 506 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: and as an opportunity. There was so much to play 507 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: and there was so much to show what I could do. 508 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: That obviously, yes, that did for these larger entities, studios 509 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: and movie makers and directors. 510 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: And people just say like, oh, maybe we could use 511 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: that guy in some way. 512 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: And you know, if Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt and 513 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 4: Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and everybody else is busy, 514 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: maybe we can get into that guy. But you know, obviously, 515 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: I remember Matt Damon coming up to me very early 516 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 4: on in the role and he goes and he goes, 517 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 4: if you're the SAG Awards or something, and of course 518 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 4: he's gonna win for whatever he's gonna win for. 519 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: And I worked with him a couple occasions. He's a 520 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: great guy. 521 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: But he came up to me, he's like, hey, man, 522 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: it's nice to meet you, and I just want to 523 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: I just wanted to shake the hand of the guy 524 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 4: I'm gonna lose parts to eventually. And I was like, 525 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: but it was a very funny kind of understanding of 526 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: where we all are in the firmament and rising and falling, 527 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: and that it's you know, it is like a lot 528 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: of things. 529 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: It's like a it's a marketplace. 530 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you are what you are that day and 531 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: tomorrow it could be different and there's a healthy bit 532 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 4: of understanding of that too. 533 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning back into Table for two. John is 534 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: probably best known for his role as Don Draper I'm Madman, 535 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: a character he played for close to a decade. I 536 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: want to know not only what it was like to 537 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: play such an iconic role, but how he kept from 538 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: getting typecast. When did people start to realize, oh my god, 539 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: this guy's it's fucking hysterical. 540 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 4: There's just two versions of that, because you know, part 541 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 4: of it is when you see somebody in a role 542 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 4: or you see somebody on screen, you assume, Okay, that's 543 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: that's what they do. 544 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just listening to a. 545 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 4: Podcast about Tom Cruise, who I've got the good fortune 546 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 4: to work with. 547 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: The Top Gun. When Tom, when you look. 548 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: At his stuff he does is a very serious or 549 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: intense kind of guy. And then you look at him 550 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 4: in Tropic Thunder and you're like, oh my god, this 551 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 4: guy's something warious. And when you know him, when you 552 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 4: actually have spend time with him and sit down with him, 553 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 4: you know that he's engaging and he's funny. 554 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: And because of course he is, he's an entertainer, he 555 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: gets it. 556 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: And I think that that just takes the kind of 557 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: time and experience where you get to meet somebody and 558 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: spend time with him. And you know, as soon as 559 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: Mad Men hit, I was given all these projects, Oh 560 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: do you want to play this guy? 561 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: You want to play this guy? 562 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 4: You want to play this no versions of don right, 563 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 4: the smoking cigarettes, nor dark, dour, brooding kind of you know. 564 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's what I do nine months 565 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: out of the year. I do that for my day job. 566 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 4: Like I don't want to do that. It's like, that's 567 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 4: not what I got into this business to do. So 568 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 4: I was able to and then I was, you know, 569 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: adopted very fortunately by the comedy community, who I had 570 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 4: quite a few friends that had a solid residence in 571 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 4: and one of the was. 572 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 2: Lauren Michaels and the other one was Tina Effect. 573 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 4: So I hosted the show and then the Wednesday of 574 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: the read through of my first hosting job, as Tina 575 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: tells it, she called Lauren said, is this guy finally here? 576 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 2: Is he had dud? Lauren goes, no, he's fine. And 577 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: by the time I got to my dressing room on Thursday, 578 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 2: the phone rang in my dressing room. 579 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 4: It was Robert Carlock said, Hey, do you want to 580 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: come on the show? We want to We got an 581 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 4: idea for I was like, thirty Rock, Yeah, my favorite show. 582 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: Kidding and your timing is like fantastic. 583 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: It's like it's intimidating, though, to go into a show 584 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 4: like thirty Rock, especially when you have a real and snl, 585 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 4: a real appreciation and understanding and love it. 586 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: Because you don't want to be the guy sucks. You 587 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: don want to be the guy foxing up. 588 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: And I definitely had a lot of anxiety about that. 589 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: And I look back at the first couple of episodes 590 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 4: that I did on both of those and I was. 591 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: Like, I don't think I was I don't think I 592 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: hit it out of the park. 593 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 3: Sure, but it was good enough on the topic of work. 594 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: So you know, you have the fifth season of Fargo, 595 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: which might drop fall fall. 596 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: You have John Slaughder. I love John and his wife, 597 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: Maggie Moore. 598 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: Maggie Moore's Moore that's going to debut at Tribeca so 599 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks, and then we'll. 600 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: Be on a screen some sort of screen near you. 601 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: And you have season three in The Morning Show, which 602 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: I got to say, you know, I happened to be 603 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: a I mean, I love Jennifer and Reese a lot 604 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: as people as friends. That's kind of an interesting grade 605 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: sort of thing to bop into. 606 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 4: It was a really again fortunate alignment of not only 607 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: schedules and timing and history and everything is I've known 608 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: Jen for quite a few years, and there's. 609 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: Nobody better than that lady. 610 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: She's she's the best of the best. 611 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: She's a person who has lived an incredible life and 612 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: has an incredible understanding of her fortune and her talent 613 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 4: and all the other stuff and still does great work. 614 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: And I remember I sent her an email or something 615 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: after I watched the first season of the Morning Show 616 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, you didn't have to 617 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 4: do this, but I'm really glad you did, and it 618 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: was really it was a side of you that hadn't 619 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: seen in a long time, and it was really nice 620 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 4: to see. And so it was really great to get 621 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: this opportunity to play off because my character plays pretty 622 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: much exclusively opposite Gens. He's he's in the morning show, 623 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 4: a world in the Swirld. It's not exclusively longer, but 624 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 4: it's mostly with Jen And it was fun. You know, 625 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: it was a fun job. It was a lot of work, 626 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: and it was I was shooting both of those shows concurrently, 627 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: So I was in Calgary shooting Fargo, and then I 628 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: fly back and be it in l A for a 629 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: couple of weeks. 630 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: Then I fly back to Calgary and then I fly 631 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: back to the So it wasn't easy. But every time 632 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: I'm in mind, every time I think about man, I'm tired. Man, 633 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: it sucks. Whatever I go. You know what, it sucks. 634 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: The phone doesn't ring. 635 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it sucks. 636 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: That's it sucks. 637 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: You were part of something that was I think pretty 638 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: monumental last summer, which was Maverick, which was bringing the 639 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: big movie with the big movie star back into the 640 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: screen and getting people back into the theaters. 641 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: I just watched it last night from Memorial Day or like, 642 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 4: send a text out to the group. 643 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 2: I was like, still good, He's still good. Movie's still good. 644 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still good. You guys all were so amazing. 645 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you talked about Tom earlier, and I've 646 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times, 647 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know him. I can only imagine the 648 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: takeaways from working with someone like Cruise. Was there something 649 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: if you had to sort of say one or two 650 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: things as an actor as as someone in the business that. 651 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 4: You there's two ways to look at it, because I 652 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 4: think he's and he has both sides of this to 653 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: the nth degree, because he's he's been an actor since 654 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 4: he was a teenager, and he's been a pretty famous 655 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: actor since he was almost a teenager. 656 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean his first job was Taps and I 657 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: think he was seventeen. 658 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is amazing movie. 659 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: That's an amazing film, and it's you know, they look 660 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 4: at the cast of that movie and then you look 661 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: at the rest of his film crew and he's really 662 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 4: young until he really blew up, which was basically risky business. 663 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 4: And then Taka and you you go, oh wow, like 664 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: this guy's been doing it at that level for that 665 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 4: long as an actor. And then you look at him 666 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 4: as a producer and what he's been doing from the 667 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 4: Mission films through now Top Gun Maverick to the other 668 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: three franchises that he has, the Jack Reachers, and you go, Wow, 669 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 4: this guy's really smart about keeping ownership and control over 670 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 4: what he can in the wildly uncontrollable business that we 671 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: live in. And so that's why it took thirty five 672 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 4: years to make a Top Gun sequel. 673 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: They didn't want to do it if it wasn't right. 674 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: And so working with him on this and watching how 675 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 4: he really took care of this thing, this baby bird, 676 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 4: this billion dollar baby bird right that he could have 677 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: just let go in during the pandemic on a streaming 678 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 4: platform and people would have been like, yeah, thanks, you know, 679 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: it's something to watch. It would have been the last dance, 680 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: you know, we all would have watched it, huh. But 681 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: he was adamant that no has to be seen in 682 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: a movie theater. It's an experience, it's not something to 683 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 4: be watched. And I just watched it on my couch. 684 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 4: It was great on my couch, but. 685 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: It was really great in the movie when you got 686 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: a whole group of people. 687 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 4: And I was telling my fiancee and her sister who 688 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 4: were over, and her best friend, and I was like, 689 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 4: oh my god that when this played in the theater, 690 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 4: like it got the biggest like cheer, Like people stood 691 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 4: up and like cheered. 692 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 693 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 4: And it really was that common experience and shared experience 694 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 4: what the movies are all about. And he was very 695 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 4: protective of that. And he's just he's the first guy 696 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: on set, he's the last guy to leave. He's smart. 697 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: He's smart, he's kind. 698 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: You know, you. 699 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: Realize, like I've certainly had my experience with the leader, 700 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 4: the number one on the call sheet, who hasn't been 701 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 4: those things. And I've been number one on the call sheet, 702 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 4: and I've tried to be those things, and we all 703 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: have bad days and not you know, it is what 704 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: it is. But he is very cognizant of being the leader, 705 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 4: and he takes it very seriously and he's really good 706 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 4: at it. 707 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: I think it's like an incredible takeaway from someone who's 708 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, no matter what business you're in, right is 709 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: how to treat people. We've heard a lot about John's 710 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: career and professional life today, but before we go, let's 711 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: get personal and talk wedding bells. How does that feel 712 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: like going into like this is like the next blockbuster, 713 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: the Johnhan Blackbuster twenty twenty three is going to the chapel. 714 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: And it's exciting. 715 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 4: It's exciting, you know, it's it's exciting because it's again 716 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 4: it's all potential, it's all possibility, and it's and it's 717 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 4: all positive. 718 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: You know. It's if. 719 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: I suppose there's two ways to look at anything like that, 720 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 4: which is like, oh, what if it's terrible? But the 721 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 4: other way is like, this is this is meant to 722 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 4: be something wonderful. And so if you lean into that 723 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 4: as which I had then, and it's the reason why 724 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 4: I really wanted to do it, and it really leaned 725 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 4: into it. It's like, this is the thing that leads 726 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 4: to the next thing of life, and that's what I 727 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: help journey, and it's the journey, and it's exciting and 728 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 4: all of the mean, as you well know, all of 729 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 4: the minutia of planning it and dealing with it are 730 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,959 Speaker 4: can be my numbing. 731 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: And and all of the other things. 732 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 4: But then you understand and I think it only happened 733 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: to me, like maybe a week ago or so where 734 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 4: this sort of calm settled over me. I was like, 735 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 4: oh right, oh, this is none of this parish like, yeah, 736 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 4: it's great if the thing has a little doodle on 737 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 4: it that has a nice design, and at the end 738 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 4: of the day, the important thing is like and I 739 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 4: literally had this sort of weird epiphany when I was 740 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 4: walking the dog. I was like, oh right, I'm gonna 741 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 4: look out and I'm gonna see this whole. 742 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 2: Group of people. 743 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 4: And it's not a very big group of people, and 744 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 4: it's well under one hundred people, but group of people 745 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 4: that are all there because they're supporting me and all. 746 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: And that's great. 747 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 4: I think the last time that happened to me was 748 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 4: like high school graduation, you know, something like that. You know, 749 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it was nice to win an Emmy 750 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 4: and look out and people are applauding, but half of 751 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 4: them are like, are we done yet? 752 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: Can we go? Is it time to you know, then 753 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: they're certainly not all rooting for you. At least there's 754 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: five other guys that certainly weren't. And I've been on 755 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: the other side of that equation quite a few times. 756 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 4: But it's this is not that, and this is the 757 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 4: exciting part of life, and it's a signpost and a 758 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: signifier of the. 759 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: Next chapter and phase. 760 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 4: And ideally it gives you and your partner a sense 761 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 4: of stability and comfort and identifying capacity that is better, deeper, 762 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 4: richer than it's my girlfriend or my boyfriend. 763 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: And I do think I think a shared life is 764 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: a very meaning full life. And I think that the 765 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: life you created, that you made happen because no one 766 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: gave you anything on a platter. It's such a wonderful 767 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: thing to see you embrace and whether it leads to 768 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: having a family, creating a family, all the things you 769 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: just write TVD, you don't know. That's the beauty of it. 770 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: And all you know is about what we have is today. Yeah, 771 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: I wish you a lot of congratulations, thank you, and 772 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: a lot of good fortune and look forward to getting 773 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: to get to know her better. Yeah, you are truly 774 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: a renaissance man. It's always a pleasure to see you. 775 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: Love that we broke bread absolutely looks is. I think 776 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: if you've pulled up at your today and you had 777 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: lunch with John Ham, you're a very lucky person. 778 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 3: On the other end of this microphone. 779 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 4: At the record show, I finished my salad. I mean 780 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 4: now that I will I kept talking. I'm saying I 781 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 4: was able to tell. I don't know if I was 782 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 4: talking with my mouth or. 783 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 3: Not, but thank you for joining me for lunch today. 784 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: Thanks. 785 00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 3: I love it. 786 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 5: Table for two with Bruce Bosi is produced by iHeartRadio 787 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 5: seven three seven Park and Airmail. Our executive producers are 788 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 5: Bruce Bosi and Nathan King. Table for two is researched 789 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 5: and written by Bridget arsenalt. Our sound engineers are Paul 790 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 5: Bowman and Alyssa Midcalf. Table for two's la production team 791 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 5: is Danielle Romo and Lorraine Viz. 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