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Speaker 3: And this is Mick Shots.
Speaker 2: And this is Wednesday, and two weeks from today. I think, right,
Speaker 2: two weeks from today will be the official start of
Speaker 2: Giants week.
Speaker 4: You think after you uh oh yeah, the work weeks,
Speaker 4: the games really on Wednesday in the Sunday night game
Speaker 4: on September.
Speaker 3: It's fast approaching. You can't get here soon enough.
Speaker 5: Are they allowed to sneak into practice on that Monday
Speaker 5: that they.
Speaker 2: Can the official start? Wednesday is the start of the
Speaker 2: work week officially in the So it's two weeks from today.
Speaker 2: But we had a practice we were able to enjoy
Speaker 2: either live free in person at Ford Center at the
Speaker 2: Star in Frisco or streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.
Speaker 2: Last night Cowboys Night, and it was a ventful day.
Speaker 2: I don't know, ever, sin if you realize just how
Speaker 2: eventful it was. As Jerry Jones was making appearances throughout
Speaker 2: the afternoon.
Speaker 6: No, no, sorry, sir, I.
Speaker 5: Had press conferences yesterday. What four so, Jerry, Well, it was.
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Speaker 6: And I'm sorry. They had a press conference.
Speaker 7: About that at the middle of nighthouse, Yes, okay, and
Speaker 7: Jerry was there.
Speaker 5: Jerry was there, and then they had a press conference
Speaker 5: for the Texas Lottery.
Speaker 2: Which was just prior to Mike McCarthy's scheduled press conference,
Speaker 2: which got delayed that half hour for McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Jerry answered football questions at the This lottery. Okay, so
Speaker 5: that was another one. And then coach McCarthy at like.
Speaker 3: When he got started.
Speaker 2: And then Jerry addressed the crowd at at the opening
Speaker 2: ceremonies of the friscal portion of training camp Cowboys night.
Speaker 3: He's excited about this football team.
Speaker 7: I would say it sounds like he is.
Speaker 5: And if you had listened to the pregame show Saturday
Speaker 5: from Seattle, he talked about how he was happy with
Speaker 5: the structure of the roster this year. So, and he
Speaker 5: reiterated yesterday a couple of times, I think so.
Speaker 6: So it was a pep rally, Well, there was a
Speaker 6: pep rally.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just get the feel.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what it was. I had the feel
Speaker 2: of a pep errelly we kick off this season.
Speaker 6: That's cool.
Speaker 7: But you missed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, That's why we're that's why you're here to get
Speaker 2: to get the lowdown on exactly what.
Speaker 6: I have to make it. But yeah, I got a life.
Speaker 5: So, Bill, did you get to watch any of the
Speaker 5: practice as you were.
Speaker 7: Broadcasting last night?
Speaker 3: Barely?
Speaker 7: That's my favor.
Speaker 6: He's got a life.
Speaker 2: No, I was, actually I was there and Mickey was
Speaker 2: a part of it for two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: We broadcasted it.
Speaker 6: But it was hard.
Speaker 2: But our vantage point, it was hard to the practice.
Speaker 6: I know what that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we started at five thirty. Now Mickey started
Speaker 3: at six fifteen.
Speaker 2: Maybe even though he was supposed to be there at
Speaker 2: five thirty.
Speaker 7: Bill just couldn't get wait to a point that half right.
Speaker 2: So Mickey as he leaps through his legal pad of
Speaker 2: notes there, there's so much to get to, including what
Speaker 2: happened during the practice last night. About we kicked things
Speaker 2: off with you getting us up to on where this
Speaker 2: team stands injury wise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we know. I mean we talked about it
Speaker 5: on Monday. I think it was official by then that
Speaker 5: Demarvin Overshawn tore his ACL will be out for the season.
Speaker 5: He said that he hasn't hadn't scheduled the surgery yet.
Speaker 5: I thought he was pretty funny when he was talking
Speaker 5: about you know, they checked him. He walked off the
Speaker 5: field in Seattle and went into the blue tent, and
Speaker 5: next thing we know, he was getting carted into the
Speaker 5: locker room and he said, yeah, when I got in
Speaker 5: the cart, I just thought they didn't want me to walk.
Speaker 7: I got a free ride to the locker room.
Speaker 5: Not knowing that the doctors knew right then and there
Speaker 5: that he tore his acla.
Speaker 6: He didn't look broken hearted, you know, when he was
Speaker 6: on the cart.
Speaker 5: And when we talked to him, he was pretty upbeat still.
Speaker 5: And Jerry Jones made a point of saying, I've got
Speaker 5: to get Michael Irvin with him, because.
Speaker 3: Interesting who said that the other day? Hmmm on this show.
Speaker 2: We talked about that the other day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he said that he wants to get Michael
Speaker 5: Irvin with him because he said, Michael Irvin told me that,
Speaker 5: you know, through that recovering from his torn acl in
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine, that that's why he ended up where
Speaker 5: he was and caused him to work harder. And I
Speaker 5: asked Demarvian when he got to talking yesterday, I said,
Speaker 5: it's Jerry, talk to you yet about it? He goes, no,
Speaker 5: but I hear that he wants me to get with Michael.
Speaker 5: And and he just had a good outlook.
Speaker 2: He's got that, he's got that personality about it. He's
Speaker 2: got a very positive outlook on life.
Speaker 7: I'd be crying in the corner right well.
Speaker 2: It probably gave him a fall sense of that Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm okay when he was able to walk under
Speaker 2: his own power off the field, right, you know, so, uh,
Speaker 2: but but you've seen that a lot with a c ls,
Speaker 2: where guys actually will content, are able to actually continue
Speaker 2: playing any game and they've already torn their a c L.
Speaker 5: So you know, the good thing is that you know,
Speaker 5: he realizes this is his new job is to rehab,
Speaker 5: uh and get ready for next year, and he'll have
Speaker 5: time now, you know, he he should be ready to
Speaker 5: go probably by May of next year.
Speaker 2: You look at the timeline on Terrence Steele, right, he
Speaker 2: tours a CL early December, and he was you know,
Speaker 2: you know, he worked hard in the rehab program and
Speaker 2: you know he was going full tilt by the start
Speaker 2: of training, right exactly. He was able to do some
Speaker 2: stuff during OTAs as well. And but having said that,
Speaker 2: not all a CL tears are the same.
Speaker 9: And it's sometimes if you're going to have that happen,
Speaker 9: it's good to have it happen when you're extremely young, and.
Speaker 2: Like in the case of Michael Irvin, Yeah, he'd.
Speaker 9: Be able to come out of that in good fashion.
Speaker 9: And you know when you get older, it's always tougher. Yeah,
Speaker 9: if you at the end of your career. We talked
Speaker 9: about old man injuries last year, and yeah, this is
Speaker 9: you know, this is not an old man injury. This
Speaker 9: is something that happened. It's almost like Tommy Johnson. Well,
Speaker 9: you know, some pitchers have Tommy john surgery before they
Speaker 9: even move to.
Speaker 2: The major But it's almost like most successful pitchers in
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, they've all had guns. It's almost like
Speaker 2: something that you have to go through to strengthen your
Speaker 2: arm to be able to pitch.
Speaker 3: It that long.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: I think the hard thing for him to swallow is
Speaker 5: the fact that, you know, we knew he was going
Speaker 5: to make the team, but he was going to have
Speaker 5: a role on this defense, as you know, in the
Speaker 5: change up defenses, and he was going to be a
Speaker 5: core special teams player, and that was one of the
Speaker 5: things John Fossil, I'm sure he's probably more devastated than
Speaker 5: maybe overshawn is that he lost the guy that he
Speaker 5: was counting on to replace Luke Gifford on all the
Speaker 5: special teams, So that one certainly hurts. We know John
Speaker 5: Stevens also tore his ACM.
Speaker 2: And by the way, he was out on the practice
Speaker 2: field and yeah, Bill saw this. Isaiah Stanback actually saw
Speaker 2: it first. He was out there and they were doing
Speaker 2: some ball drills before practice and he's out there even
Speaker 2: with a torn acl and he's you know, catching them
Speaker 2: football and stuff there. Those two guys are very similar
Speaker 2: in terms of their positive spirit that they have about
Speaker 2: them John Stevens and de marve On Overshell.
Speaker 5: And he was going to make the team too. I
Speaker 5: mean it became pretty it was.
Speaker 2: It was no one really would have thought that before
Speaker 2: training camp started, but he had made that kind of
Speaker 2: impression not only in practice but also in the in
Speaker 2: the first game that he could make an impact in
Speaker 2: a crowded, tight end room.
Speaker 6: And they have not had the surgery yet now.
Speaker 5: Noah and Overshan said they haven't scheduled his, or at
Speaker 5: least he doesn't know that it's been scheduled yet. Now
Speaker 5: the other downside for both guys, since they're rookies on
Speaker 5: their rookie contracts, it looks like both guys have split contracts,
Speaker 5: meaning if you make the team but.
Speaker 7: You have well you didn't make the team, but if
Speaker 7: you have.
Speaker 5: To go uninjured reserve, you get like fifty percent of
Speaker 5: what your base salary was going to be So.
Speaker 3: That's a significant downside.
Speaker 5: That's significantly especially since the first I think the first
Speaker 5: year minimums getting close to even for a draft pick,
Speaker 5: not the first or second round, but the third, third,
Speaker 5: fourth on down. So the first year base is close
Speaker 5: to like eight hundred thousands went.
Speaker 2: We went through that right a couple of months ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know that's that's a significant deal. But
Speaker 5: you know, not everybody gets paid to rehab or from surgeries.
Speaker 5: You know, you hope your insurance covers me and you,
Speaker 5: but no one's paying you to go through rehab. So
Speaker 5: so those are those two. Matt Well, let's go, was
Speaker 5: at least in pads during the practice.
Speaker 7: I saw him jogging off to the side, so that's.
Speaker 5: Encouraging with the sublexation he suffered in his right shoulder.
Speaker 5: Ronald Jones was doing the same thing, and that's the
Speaker 5: first time I saw him in pad since he suffered
Speaker 5: his injury. Dorence Armstrong, who's been on and off during
Speaker 5: training camp, was at least in pads again, jogging on
Speaker 5: the side.
Speaker 7: Chiuma a dooga is still out.
Speaker 5: So one of the things I saw in practice when
Speaker 5: Terrence Steele falls started. Okay, he's got to come out, Well,
Speaker 5: who's gonna play right tackle?
Speaker 7: Let's go? Is not there?
Speaker 5: Josh Ball went in to play right tackle, even though
Speaker 5: he's been working at the right guard position as a
Speaker 5: backup spot.
Speaker 3: And they had TJ.
Speaker 2: There were times where because Zach Martin is still ramping up,
Speaker 2: TJ Bass was going with the.
Speaker 5: First and because they don't want to wear out Tyron Smith, awesome,
Speaker 5: Richards was at left tackle.
Speaker 7: Awesome, awesome as.
Speaker 3: I am awesome.
Speaker 5: So you better be able to play right to live
Speaker 5: up to your name. So those guys, those guys got
Speaker 5: snaps with the first team. And what Bill pointed out
Speaker 5: about TJ Bass that was significant because they had been
Speaker 5: working Ball at right guard and he was now with
Speaker 5: the second team, so they're taking a longer look at TJ.
Speaker 7: Bass.
Speaker 5: Also, Forniac is still with the second team at center.
Speaker 5: And the reason we mentioned these things is it's pretty significant.
Speaker 5: This offensive line is set with Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith,
Speaker 5: Tyler Battish, Zach Martin, and Terrence Steele.
Speaker 7: But now they've got three.
Speaker 5: To four backup spots that they've got to settle and
Speaker 5: if they're doing it in house, and with Tchuma Adoga injured,
Speaker 5: there's some open spots on this fifty three man roster
Speaker 5: that they're going to have to settle within a week.
Speaker 5: Oh one more thing and with and you'll like this.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's if you're just.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, I keep thinking we're on TV. There's cameras
Speaker 5: all over the place right with overshewan out. Uh, they
Speaker 5: have started working Marquise Bell at that linebacker spot that
Speaker 5: Overshawn was working, and he was like, whatever they want
Speaker 5: me to do, I'm good with it. And uh, I
Speaker 5: got a chance to talk with him after practice and
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I said, do you ever wake
Speaker 5: up in the morning and think where you were and
Speaker 5: where you are now? And he said, every day, every
Speaker 5: day I feel blessed that I'm and whatever they want,
Speaker 5: I'll work on it and work on it.
Speaker 7: And you know it sounds like me in college, right.
Speaker 2: I wake up a day, I'm thinking where was I now?
Speaker 7: And you know he's kind of built.
Speaker 5: He's kind of built to be a linebacker if you
Speaker 5: look at its size.
Speaker 6: That's way of course.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why I just went on.
Speaker 9: So in regards to Overshaw and Bell, so obviously he
Speaker 9: was out playing Bell.
Speaker 7: Uh for the well he would Bell was that safety.
Speaker 5: Okay, right, and then overshean was playing kind of the
Speaker 5: uh Nickel linebacker spot because that's.
Speaker 9: What they thought of Bell last year, and so I
Speaker 9: was wondering if he's losing ground or you know what
Speaker 9: he's looking like.
Speaker 5: They were using him as a tru through safety okay,
Speaker 5: close to the line of scrimmage, sort of that j
Speaker 5: Ron Curse type thing, and that's what they do.
Speaker 2: How does that position, because overshown it kind of has
Speaker 2: that those same qualities that Curse has. How does the
Speaker 2: curse position differ from what the overshown position was in this.
Speaker 7: Well other than experience?
Speaker 2: Right, But as far as the role on the defense, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's so many subpackaging, it might have been.
Speaker 7: Shared depending on what package they were going to do.
Speaker 3: You think about it.
Speaker 2: Bell has that same kind although he's smaller, he is
Speaker 2: the same kind.
Speaker 5: Of Paul Rangey, but the way he plays, the way
Speaker 5: he plays and how physical he is. And he was saying,
Speaker 5: you know, the thing he had to get used to
Speaker 5: was being closer to line of scrimmage and seeing the
Speaker 5: run fits.
Speaker 7: You know, we all it seems like.
Speaker 5: All we ever worry about is coverage and ability to
Speaker 5: rush the quarterback. Well, there's other things that go along
Speaker 5: with those positions, like playing the run.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you have to fit right, everyone has to be
Speaker 9: and you got to see it sooner than down the line,
Speaker 9: right when you're closer to the line. Sean Lee. I
Speaker 9: always think of Seawan Lee when you're close to the line.
Speaker 9: He always knew what was coming, He anticipated it, and
Speaker 9: he would just beat the block.
Speaker 6: He wouldn't wait on it. He would just beat the block.
Speaker 5: So when you were a safety getting close to the line,
Speaker 5: did you play the run?
Speaker 6: So smart? Spad couldn't fool me? Man, gonna get me
Speaker 6: that not. I studied, I studied.
Speaker 7: There we go.
Speaker 6: So when is when is Taylor getting here? I mean
Speaker 6: it's done. Deal, Yeah, I mean it's done.
Speaker 7: Talking about that?
Speaker 9: Oh sorry, okay, you amateur, You're on the wrong podcast.
Speaker 6: Sorry for that, sir.
Speaker 5: Well, all we can say about that is the Colts
Speaker 5: gave him permission to seek a trade.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that's news.
Speaker 5: And Jerry's response basically was that we always look at everything,
Speaker 5: and he went on and on about you know, whatever,
Speaker 5: we can take advantage of it. And then he got
Speaker 5: to the back part of it and he said, but
Speaker 5: you know, we do have a salary cap, and we
Speaker 5: do have things that we have to take care of,
Speaker 5: and so that always enters into decisions like that.
Speaker 2: When you think about Zeke's dead cap money that's right,
Speaker 2: and what Pollard's being paid. How much of the percentage
Speaker 2: of this salary cap is already devoted to running backs?
Speaker 7: Well, right off the top of my head, not much, Tony.
Speaker 5: Tony Pollard's ten million, okay, and Zeke's five point eight
Speaker 5: in dead money and another six next year.
Speaker 2: And then whatever you're paying the other running backs that
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 7: However many you're going to go guys? Yeah, and the
Speaker 7: other thing.
Speaker 5: Since you brought up running backs, I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 5: I don't think we needed to be told this after
Speaker 5: watching the Seattle game.
Speaker 7: But Deuce fawns on this fifty three man run.
Speaker 6: That's close.
Speaker 7: I don't think we have to even worry about that.
Speaker 6: Can we talk about Zeke's haircut?
Speaker 5: He had it cut, and let's point that out that
Speaker 5: when I ran into him the end of June here
Speaker 5: at the Star, the hair was cut and the beard
Speaker 5: was shaved nice. So it's not like everybody's saying, well,
Speaker 5: see Bill Bellichi, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: That was the first thing, right, Well, it was already
Speaker 7: in the shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or was he just grooming for the interviews
Speaker 2: that he had to do this.
Speaker 7: Summer and maybe like you're going.
Speaker 5: He knew he was going to meet me coming off
Speaker 5: the elevant and he said, oh, I better groom up right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting, And I was just looking at over
Speaker 2: the cap numbers and as you mentioned, Pollard's at ten
Speaker 2: point nine and yeah, there's a lot of money that's
Speaker 2: devoted to running backs on this team as it stands
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: Well, it's going to be by time you have two
Speaker 5: more guys on there in base salaries, it's going to
Speaker 5: be close to what twenty million?
Speaker 6: Yeap?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: From practice itself last night? What give us your report?
Speaker 2: Since you were able to watch practice?
Speaker 5: Thought Dak Prescott had a really good practice. Another guy
Speaker 5: that I thought had a really good practice and you
Speaker 5: know what they think of him now because he did
Speaker 5: not play in the Seattle preseason game. Ferguson had a
Speaker 5: couple really nice catches.
Speaker 2: Along Jake Ferguson starting tight end.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, second year and you know he in the
Speaker 5: receiving part of the game. I think between him and
Speaker 5: the other guys they're gonna make us forget Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 6: Okay, I more.
Speaker 7: Really feel good about that.
Speaker 2: More of Mickey's Scouts I view of practice last night.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you started your review of practice and you mentioned Dak,
Speaker 2: you mentioned Jake Ferguson. I want to hear some defensive
Speaker 2: guys that caught your eye. From what I was told,
Speaker 2: Sam Williams looked pretty good.
Speaker 5: Sam Williams has looked good all.
Speaker 7: All summer long.
Speaker 5: I think he is another guy that doesn't get a
Speaker 5: lot of attention just because of how well he played
Speaker 5: last year, but again first year to second year, because
Speaker 5: you almost don't think of Sam Williams as just the
Speaker 5: second year guy since he played so much last year.
Speaker 5: But he's been a force to be reckoned with as
Speaker 5: a pass rusher and they will find ways to get
Speaker 5: him on the field. And one of the things they've
Speaker 5: been doing is moving some of the defensive ends inside
Speaker 5: on pass rush like a lot of times DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 5: is when it's in pass rush situation, he's doing it
Speaker 5: from a tackle position. They were doing it before he
Speaker 5: got hurt with Dorince Armstrong also. I like that and
Speaker 5: having like four.
Speaker 9: Modified he plays a run better than any lineman that
Speaker 9: we have, right and putting him inside of that tackle position.
Speaker 9: He's so smart. He knows where the ball. He reminds
Speaker 9: me we were talking about Sean Lee. DeMarcus launch is
Speaker 9: one of those guys, right. He knows where the ball
Speaker 9: is going before it gets there. And be at that
Speaker 9: tackle position. That's real strong and he shows us up.
Speaker 5: One of the things another thing that they've been doing
Speaker 5: and they haven't really everybody kind of backs off talking
Speaker 5: about it, but you can see it is in some
Speaker 5: of those passing situations using Leyton Vanderish as a pass rusher,
Speaker 5: either as the defensive end or outside the defensive end
Speaker 5: like they were doing last year with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 9: That's a lot of man, right, Yeah, that's a lot
Speaker 9: of man over there, and he.
Speaker 5: Is enjoying the heck out of that opportunity to rush
Speaker 5: the quarterback. So yeah, I thought those things stood out.
Speaker 5: OSA has had a really good camp starting defensive tackles,
Speaker 5: and now the decision they're going to have to make
Speaker 5: on the defensive line. I don't know how many they
Speaker 5: can keep, but it could come down between Neville Gallimore
Speaker 5: and Quinton Bohanna on how many big guys you can
Speaker 5: have out there. Because Jonathan Hankins, I think, is going
Speaker 5: to be out there. We'll see if Mozzy Smith works
Speaker 5: his way into a starting spot or at least into
Speaker 5: the rotation, because in training camp, when you've got Jonathan
Speaker 5: Hankins and Mozzy Smith lining up inside next to each other,
Speaker 5: it takes up a lot of space to start with
Speaker 5: it before they.
Speaker 7: Even move or don't move.
Speaker 5: So again, uh, you know, Mozzy's starting to come around,
Speaker 5: you know. I went back and looked at his scouting
Speaker 5: report and one of the things they talked about was
Speaker 5: he was very good at holding up the double team,
Speaker 5: which I think he has done so far, and then
Speaker 5: it talked about his weakness was getting off the ball
Speaker 5: and penetrating, and that's one thing they're still working on
Speaker 5: him to.
Speaker 6: Talk for something like that. Right, it's easier said than done.
Speaker 5: The thing he's got to learn is not get turned
Speaker 5: like when he he comes in and all of a
Speaker 5: sudden it's his shoulder leading. Well, now they got him
Speaker 5: right because now they'll take them where he wants to go. Right,
Speaker 5: He's got to go where he wants to go. So
Speaker 5: that's one of the things they keep working with him.
Speaker 2: Let's talk Stefan Gilmour. We got a cornerback is pretty
Speaker 2: good in his career that's sitting right here. And you know,
Speaker 2: Stephan Gilmore. I was very impressed with him just talking
Speaker 2: to him. And that's one of the great things about
Speaker 2: training camp is we get an opportunity to actually talk
Speaker 2: one on one, get ten minutes or so with players whatever.
Speaker 2: And he is a guy who has a great.
Speaker 3: Mind for the game.
Speaker 2: And it was interesting Everson because he said, going back
Speaker 2: to when he started his career, of course, he was
Speaker 2: a first round draft pick of the Bills what eleven
Speaker 2: years ago now, but it was his career took off
Speaker 2: after Dennis Thurman was hired by the Buffalo Bills as
Speaker 2: their secondary coach.
Speaker 3: Was that when twenty.
Speaker 6: Sixteen was coaching? Yeah, was that when Ryan was head coach?
Speaker 2: I think it may have been, but Thurman was there.
Speaker 2: Vennis was his favorite, and so so Thurman, Gilmore says
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, just you know, little things that Dennis
Speaker 2: would tell him, you know, And so here's what happened
Speaker 2: with Look at what happened Gilmore's career.
Speaker 6: Right after that.
Speaker 2: He made the Pro Bowl, I believe in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: with Thurman as his coach. Then he was a free agent.
Speaker 2: That was his fourth year in Buffalo, and so then
Speaker 2: he goes to New England. He goes to the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl the next two years, wins one of them, okay,
Speaker 2: and then twenty nineteen he wins the Defensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year in the league. Dennis Thurman had a pretty
Speaker 2: good impact on that.
Speaker 9: Dennis influencing someone of that calency.
Speaker 6: So I did an education went back that far.
Speaker 2: I had to educate Stephan on the background and Bennis
Speaker 2: Thurman with the Cowboys and Thurman's thieves.
Speaker 6: And so you have to know a little bit about it,
Speaker 6: because you.
Speaker 2: Know, Dennis told him about it.
Speaker 6: Better he better mentioned me a two four as.
Speaker 2: Well, and your name came up, and uh, Stefan can't
Speaker 2: wait to meet you.
Speaker 6: Oh nice, Okay, cool.
Speaker 7: He's a very thoughtful man. When you interview him, he's not.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say what just the first thing that comes
Speaker 2: to his mind. He thinks through and gives you.
Speaker 5: And he doesn't go on and on. He makes his
Speaker 5: point and stops. But it's very thoughtful.
Speaker 2: Because at first, when I was told, okay, we give
Speaker 2: him a list of the Cowboys media relations crew. We
Speaker 2: give him a list of guys we'd like to interview.
Speaker 2: And because he's soft spoken, Stephan wasn't at the top
Speaker 2: of our list. And so and so I did you know?
Speaker 2: I always I My philosophy in life is everybody's got
Speaker 2: a story and sometimes.
Speaker 3: You just have to dig up.
Speaker 2: You have to, you have to dig a.
Speaker 3: Little deeper on some and as soon as you hit
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 2: Hot button with a guy, he'll start talking him with
Speaker 2: And what happened with Stefan was talking about him. He's
Speaker 2: from rock Hill, South Carolina, and his high school team
Speaker 2: he has high school teammates were Jadeveon Clowney, Davonte Holloman.
Speaker 2: Remember Davonte Holloman, who was draft pick here and played
Speaker 2: very well here and had a neck injury. Well he's
Speaker 2: now the high school coach, the head coach at their
Speaker 2: alma mater or whatever. But they were all teammates coming out.
Speaker 2: In fact, Holloman in the Hall of Fame game his
Speaker 2: rookie year, returned to interception seventy five yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 3: I mean he had.
Speaker 2: He was the Demarvion overshown of that class, but sadly suffered.
Speaker 3: A career ending injury.
Speaker 2: But he's he's had a great career already at a
Speaker 2: very young age, even as a high school head coach
Speaker 2: in South Carolina. But anyway, as soon as I hit
Speaker 2: that hot button and Stephan's just talking and talking, and
Speaker 2: then when I mentioned Dennis Thurman, you know, but then
Speaker 2: it got me to looking back at the interception numbers.
Speaker 2: And of course this Cowboys team, you know, two straight
Speaker 2: years lead the league in takeaways. It's not since the
Speaker 2: Steelers in the seventies has a team done it two.
Speaker 3: Or three years in a row.
Speaker 2: In the case of the Steelers and Mickey, those numbers
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty one, Okay.
Speaker 5: I was, I was looking at that on on YouTube,
Speaker 5: and while you're calling.
Speaker 3: That, Everson looks at it every day.
Speaker 7: Gilmore, That's what I watched when I work out.
Speaker 5: Gilmore had a pick. Gilmore had a pick in the practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Everson rookie year, eleven picks and then two more
Speaker 2: in the postseason. Dennis Thurman had nine interceptions and Michael
Speaker 2: Downs had seven interceptions that year. The Cowboys had thirty
Speaker 2: seven interceptions that season to lead the league.
Speaker 5: And they like thieves and they led the league this
Speaker 5: year with thirty three takeaways. So they had thirty seven
Speaker 5: interceptions in one season.
Speaker 9: You know, when you look at when you look at
Speaker 9: this guy and his relationship with Belichick as well, you
Speaker 9: know we have that connection. You know when you think
Speaker 9: about how it elevated our careers. He was there longer,
Speaker 9: of course with Belichick, and I'm sure that had a
Speaker 9: lot to do with him being Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 9: being under that kind of tutelage, because Belichick will make
Speaker 9: it simple for you. He does all the thinking. He
Speaker 9: likes to do all the thinking, and if you're smart enough,
Speaker 9: then you can do it along with him.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because he had I think he came down
Speaker 2: to the Patriots. I mean It was kind of the
Speaker 2: same deal that we're seeing right now with another coach player,
Speaker 2: whether they've got an option. They were going to trade
Speaker 2: Steph on Gilmour, and so it came down to, all right,
Speaker 2: they're talking to the Cowboys. I believe they're talking to
Speaker 2: the Patriots too, you know. Okay, and Stephon wanted to
Speaker 2: come to Dallas.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 5: So since you brought up Gilmour, bring up Brandon Cooks
Speaker 5: because they're almost identical type of people. Both of them
Speaker 5: are not afraid to help the young guys. Brandon Cooks
Speaker 5: Jayalen Tolbert followed him like a little puppy the whole
Speaker 5: time he's been here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: And he's been willing to teach, give him.
Speaker 5: Advice, not only in football advice, but training brand Cooks.
Speaker 2: He will take him under his wing, his his airplane wings.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Bill has been waiting to throw that lit out with
Speaker 5: the airplane when he flies like small plane.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a video on over the weekend in Seattle.
Speaker 2: He took a couple of his teammates up in a
Speaker 2: plane over Elliott Bay.
Speaker 7: And you're talking the plane, Uh yeah, airplane.
Speaker 2: No, like some video game.
Speaker 6: The drones something flying?
Speaker 7: Yeah, now, hey.
Speaker 6: Sure I would not.
Speaker 7: He reassured everybody had a he was.
Speaker 3: But he also, I'm many, just one.
Speaker 7: I don't know he had parsons.
Speaker 2: Okay, you go, you go.
Speaker 7: Uh, there was two two people. We got to have
Speaker 7: more more there two guys. There was two guys on
Speaker 7: the plane.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you if they're fighting over one parachute, you know.
Speaker 3: Is going to be on parses.
Speaker 7: But but the Brandon was also.
Speaker 2: Quick to point out there is a veteran pilot also
Speaker 2: on board that wasn't in that picture.
Speaker 7: There's a co pilot pilot. Yeah, yeah, like a backup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might have been the right of the main guy.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 9: I'm not that adventure so I don't even like I've
Speaker 9: never gone up in the helicopter one time.
Speaker 6: I have you like it?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not never.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I had an opportunity when
Speaker 5: we first got here and Jerry was given everybody tours
Speaker 5: on the helicopter and they were having the last ride
Speaker 5: and pr asked me, do you want to go up?
Speaker 7: And this was twenty.
Speaker 5: Sixteen after the bus crash, and I said, now, I
Speaker 5: think I'll keep my feet.
Speaker 3: On the ground, and I don't like the name of that.
Speaker 2: The last ride, yeah, well there was several, but this
Speaker 2: it was a last trip. Well yeah that you made
Speaker 2: it sound like this is the last ride of the.
Speaker 6: Last ride, and so this will be your last.
Speaker 2: All right, And we've got the last ride of this
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Speaker 9: You know you brought up somebody that I was always
Speaker 9: been wondering about, and how he's recovered from last year's
Speaker 9: brief debacle.
Speaker 6: How's Jalen told doing this offseason?
Speaker 7: This season he may be the star of training camp?
Speaker 3: Is that outside of Deuce Bawn?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's solidified the fourth receiver role and
Speaker 5: he may get some with the first team.
Speaker 7: He has run his routes awfully well. He's catching the ball.
Speaker 6: I've seen videos of him and doing very well.
Speaker 5: One of the things they point out, and McCarthy has
Speaker 5: said it, it's like last year he was playing wide receiver,
Speaker 5: like connect the dots A to B the C and
Speaker 5: he goes, Now he's playing football.
Speaker 7: He understands.
Speaker 5: You know, you just don't execute the route the way
Speaker 5: it's written down. You got to be able to read
Speaker 5: what the defense.
Speaker 6: Is doing and you have to do it on the run.
Speaker 7: And he's making great catches.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he's had a tremendous off season and he
Speaker 5: has earned some snaps. I'll tell you another thing I
Speaker 5: saw in practice today, and maybe because we don't get
Speaker 5: to see him in the games, Tony Pollard is running
Speaker 5: really hard and really fast.
Speaker 7: I thought he was explosive in the practice yesterday.
Speaker 9: So you see no no at all from the surgerys
Speaker 9: being able to do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 7: He's got it down.
Speaker 6: That is good to hear the quote. I was always
Speaker 6: worried about.
Speaker 2: That quote from Brian Schottenheimer, who by the way, of course,
Speaker 2: was on the staff last year and saw him last
Speaker 2: year in practice too, about Pollard.
Speaker 3: You feel his speed. It's real.
Speaker 9: It's good, yeah, because remember I was always concerned in
Speaker 9: losing Zeke that we would lose that punch up the middle,
Speaker 9: and last year we didn't have it until Zeke was
Speaker 9: in the game. I'm hoping Pollard is going to be
Speaker 9: that guy that you know he sometimes you have to
Speaker 9: change your mentality depending on the play, depending.
Speaker 6: On where you are on the field.
Speaker 9: I'm hoping he can get into that mentality where when
Speaker 9: it's third and goal, fourth and goal, I'm getting this touchdown.
Speaker 9: And that's what Zeke had, right. I didn't see Polard
Speaker 9: have that last year. Didn't see many backs have that
Speaker 9: last year when we're talking about Zeke with twelve touchdowns.
Speaker 9: But I'm hoping Pollard becomes that guy.
Speaker 2: And Pollard had what nine touchdowns rushing last year, and
Speaker 2: so Okay, there's twenty one touchdowns between those two players,
Speaker 2: and so there needs to be somebody beyond even Pollard
Speaker 2: who can do that too. And I'm like what I've
Speaker 2: seen from ric o'dowdell in the preseason, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as his decisiveness and hitting that hole with some.
Speaker 6: Abandoned sometimes there you go. I like that, that's what
Speaker 6: you mean.
Speaker 5: And it seems like in this offense, they're throwing more
Speaker 5: kind of swing passes, passes in the flats to the
Speaker 5: running backs and giving them ability to run with the
Speaker 5: ball sort of how they're you know, trying to utilize
Speaker 5: even more Cavante Turpin, get them the ball in space
Speaker 5: or get them the ball on the run and.
Speaker 7: Then let him do his thing.
Speaker 5: So when we talk about the running backs, they're counting
Speaker 5: him as a running back, not just a special team guy.
Speaker 7: So with Totrobert, that's five.
Speaker 5: And what they've got to decide is do they keep
Speaker 5: six Semi Fijoko, Jalen Brooks. You know, where do those
Speaker 5: guys fit into the equation? Same thing at the running back.
Speaker 5: If Pollard's won and you decide dontals two Vaughn's three,
Speaker 5: do you have room for Malik Davis as the fourth.
Speaker 9: What I saw last year was the running backs were
Speaker 9: a check down. Now you see that the running back
Speaker 9: is primate like a called play yes, and that you
Speaker 9: get it out to them much quicker. Last year we
Speaker 9: saw Dak looking down the field, looking down field. Nothing's
Speaker 9: they had pressures getting to him. Let me just bail out.
Speaker 9: They're not bailing.
Speaker 2: Out by and by then the defense is already already reacted.
Speaker 6: Actor to it.
Speaker 5: And actually, you know, we forget this, but that's how
Speaker 5: they used them it.
Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't just checkdowns. They were putting him in.
Speaker 3: There's a reason that averaged.
Speaker 2: About sixty sixty to sixty five catches a year.
Speaker 5: Wow, I didn't know that along with Darryl Johnson at
Speaker 5: least forty those were called plays Daryl could catch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, if you think back to
Speaker 5: that San Francisco game in the playoffs with Emmett, you
Speaker 5: know it was a pass over the middle and it
Speaker 5: was not a dump off. It was he ran a route,
Speaker 5: turned around, waited for the ball, and then I believe
Speaker 5: he went for a touchdown.
Speaker 7: In that ninety two NFC title game.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 5: We're not leaving anything on the field, right, I used
Speaker 5: the one I was going to tell you, Oh, I know, ceedee.
Speaker 5: Lamb also had a good practice yesterday. He and Dak
Speaker 5: were on the same page except for one pass and
Speaker 5: it got intercepted and I saw Dak kind of run
Speaker 5: down field and the two talked about it right away.
Speaker 9: Hey, defensive players, you know they're out there for a reason.
Speaker 5: Right, They're supposed to get this some freaking plays. But but
Speaker 5: he and CD had a couple. They had a free
Speaker 5: play on one there was off side and and deck
Speaker 5: through the ball right down the middle and he went up.
Speaker 7: I don't know how he got.
Speaker 5: Up that high and made the catch, which reminded me
Speaker 5: of a catch you you said only one thing right
Speaker 5: in training camp. He went up so high. It's like
Speaker 5: he it was a Michael Jordan thing. He got up
Speaker 5: and he stayed up right. He wasn't coming. How do
Speaker 5: you hang like that right to make a catch and
Speaker 5: then fall basically on his back because he got up
Speaker 5: so high. He's had an awfully good off season, or
Speaker 5: I should say training camp.
Speaker 3: Also, all right, you want to do it again on Friday?
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's do it might as well. Nine o'clock time. Okay,
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