WEBVTT - Ep 53: Brett Anderson 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:20.560 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.799 Hey everybody, welcome to Midnight Chat. It's the twentieth of 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.480 September today, twenty eighteen. I hope you've had a good day. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.760 We've had a busy one here at Loud and Quiet. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.040 We finished issue one hundred and twenty eight sent it 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:40.000 off to the printers that will be out on next Saturday, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.400 so that what's that that's September twenty seventh is when 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.880 that's out. We'll be announcing all the details of everything 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.080 that's in it, but we're very pleased with it. We've 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.760 got an incredible cover feature with an incredible artist this month, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.720 so that's what we've been doing. I managed to also 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.960 get the worst haircut of my life today, which is 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.120 mainly down to the fact that the hairdresser cut my 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:11.520 sideburns almost above the year. So now I just look 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:17.080 like I just look absolutely. I don't trust myself. I 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.560 look at a reflection myself. I don't trust that man 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.840 I see in the mirror, and so I can't expect 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.480 anyone else to. But you know, I mean, it'll grow out. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.560 So a day of ups and downs for me. I 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.600 hope yours has been good. It's I guess it's Friday 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.479 by the time you're listening to this and the weekends 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.120 ahead blah blah blah. But let me introduce who this 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.560 week's guest is here on Midnight Chat. Brett Anderson, I'm 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:46.880 sure you know is the frontman of Swede, and I'm 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.680 sure you know who's Swede are And you don't need 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.560 me to go through all of this. But for those 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.960 who might not, and I suppose a lot of our 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.800 younger listeners probably might not necessarily know who's Swedar. Someone 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.600 of my age. We all know Swede, but had formed 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:05.800 in nineteen nineteen eighty nine and split up in two 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.200 thousand and three originally, and they reformed in twenty ten. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.160 They're about to release their third record since reforming, which 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.040 isn't bad going considering it's there. What is it two 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.000 four six, it's that eighth in total, but that are 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.639 three since twenty ten. It's called The Blue Hour, and 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.880 it is as you're here Brett and I talking about it. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.800 It is essentially the third part of a trio. Is 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.040 the way that they see it. It sounds very much 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:41.200 like Swede, and Brett is very clear about that. But 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.480 it is a little bit different. It's quite as I 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.799 say to him, it's quite operatic, and there's some good 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.680 visuals that have come with the early singles of it 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:54.040 that is out today as well, So it's a busy 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.120 day Friday. The Blue Hour by Suede is out today. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.440 So yeah, I preciated the time that Brett afforded me. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.400 I actually went to his house in or to his 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.160 flat should I say, in notting Hill, and we speak 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.600 a little bit about that at the beginning. So it's 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.120 always nice to kind of have a snoop around, you know, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.000 a pop star's house. It was very nice and I 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.080 appreciated the fact that you let me do that because 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.080 you know, if I'd had these sideburns then I don't 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.040 think you would have let me in. But fortunately I didn't. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.600 I had a sensible haircut. We got this recorded and 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.280 that's all I've got to say on it, So please 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.080 sit back and enjoy this episode of Midnight Chats with 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:57.120 Brett Anderson from Swede. How long have you lived in 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.880 this area of town? Have you always been over West Side? 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.520 I mean, I sort of slightly complicated, I kind of 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.720 I don't really live in London anymore. I kind of 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.440 like live in the countryside technically, but I'm sort of 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.920 between London and London and the country. I do never 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.560 really leave London. So I've got a flat here in 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.760 notting Hill, which and I've been in notting Hill for 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.800 gods since about nineteen ninety something like that. Nineteen ninety 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.800 one something like that. I first moved to a little 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.880 bit of notting Hill a rocal Moorhouse Road. God, so 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.320 many nearly thirty years ago now, and I'm just sort 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.680 of yeah, I lived in the same in the same 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.279 area for about twenty five years actually, but now my 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.080 family we all kind of like my family, we sort 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.040 of moved to the country, but we have a flat 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:43.800 here as well, which is kind of quite useful. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.720 Did you go to Carnival? Do you do you tend 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.320 to go to kind of or do you get out 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:48.599 get out of here when that's on? 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.760 I normally avoid it. Yeah, it so depends. I mean, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.560 you know, I I wouldn't sort of go out on 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.240 my way to go. Yeah, I was a bit used 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.240 to be a bit of a curmudgeon about the carnival, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:00.720 and then it's one of these things that kind of 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.800 there are really exciting bits about it, but just suddenly 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.080 having kind of like a million people kind of like 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.400 judging around pissing on your on your doorstep can be 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.920 a bit annoying. There were a couple of times I 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.600 remember we went away and then came back and then 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.960 literally there's the whole street smelled of piss and it 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.520 was pretty disgusting. But yeah, I don't know. It's one 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:22.919 of those things, isn't it. You know, it's kind of 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.880 like the good things about the bad things about pro Oranti. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.120 It's kind of like there something quite exciting about it. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.120 Then you grew up in Sussex. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.080 Yeah, I was born in a place called Hayward Seas, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.800 which is sort of sort of between London and Brighton. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.640 My wife grew up very close to there, where about 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.480 a very small place called Sherman Bree, which is the 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:49.919 Cowfold Penfield between the two. It's like kind of four houses, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.560 you know, it's one of those wow little hamlets. Yeah, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.760 so I do actually know Hayward Tea for a little bit. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.880 I don't know many places, but I do know there. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.720 What was it like as a place to grow up? 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.960 Pretty unspectacular, i'd say, I mean, it's just a it's 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.040 just a kind of gray little dormitory town, to be honest, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.760 and I always feel as though I always spend my 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.680 life kind of slagging. It feels like I'm kind of 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.120 spent my life kind of like bringing Hayward teeth down. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.160 It's not really, I don't really mean to, but it's 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:19.760 just it's kind of nothing. It doesn't any meaning thing 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.560 to me. It's one of those sorts of places I 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.040 don't it's not like it doesn't have any kind of 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.520 identity like a city has or you know, it doesn't 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:28.920 really have that sort of thing. It's a it's a 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:30.560 it's a kind of commuter town. You know. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:31.840 When did you leave that? 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.159 I suppose when I went to University of Manchester in 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.520 about nineteen eighty God when was it eighty seven or 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.839 something like that? I can't remember, massive is my memory 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.599 is not so good. And that's when I first left. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.159 And then I spent a year in Manchester and then 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.760 I went to ucl and studied their sort of thing. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.520 So yeah, I mean it was. It's one of those 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.840 places you don't ever really want to stay there, you know. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.520 It's one of those sorts of places you kind of 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:56.720 want to escape from it. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:57.880 Yeah, it kind of. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.640 Like it's quite gives you quite an ambition to get 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:00.800 away from, to be honest, you. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.440 Know, so how would you pass your time there? 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.080 In a funny sort of way, it's kind of like, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.560 you know that the lack of options is quite interesting. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.480 It sort of forced me and my friends to sort 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:15.120 of kind of, I don't know, want to achieve something 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.559 out of the lack of options. I sometimes wonder about 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.800 if kids have got too many options, they've got too 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.120 many they can kind of become a bit numb to it, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.520 you know. And you know, it made me fall in 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.240 love with music in a lot of in a lot 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.000 of ways, because music was the only escape that you 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.640 had from the kind of like the grayness and the 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.760 mundaneity of everyday life. You know, the kind of the 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.600 glamour of music, I suppose was the escape, and you 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.880 kind of like, you know, the music very very early 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.880 on to me became became an incredibly sort of like 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.040 important force. My father was a huge classical music fan, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.000 and he kind of like force fed me all of 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.440 these kind of like people like List and Mala and 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.880 Vargin and stuff. And obviously, as was my duty as 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:04.120 a son, I hated it and gravitated towards what was 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.440 was what was the exact polar opposite, which was punk 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.640 rock and you know the power of punk rock music, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.800 which which has been very overdocumented over the years. But 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.760 it was kind of like, you know, discovering the sex 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.160 Pistols when I was you know whatever, twelve or whatever 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.000 was a really key moment for me, as I think, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.400 you know, defining yourself, finding something that you love and 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.760 finding it yourself is a really exciting thing. There's that 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.600 sense that music kind of like is a sort of 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:30.720 like badge of identity. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.280 How did your dad take the sex Pistols? 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.800 Well, he thought that rubbish, didn't you know, he's from that, 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.240 you know, kind of that that sort of He was 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:41.720 the sort of person that unless it was sort of 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.199 like high culture classical music, it was absolutely rubbish. And 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.480 he didn't but he didn't have much kind of like 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.800 fondness for pop music. You know, it was kind of 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.000 very he'd a belittle the music I liked. But that 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.120 was kind of quite good fun that I quite liked 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.920 that that sense of sort of challenge, which I sometimes wonder, 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.760 you know, when when I hear about kind of kids 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.880 that like exactly the same music as their parents, so 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.959 they always feel a little bit sorry for for them. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.280 I always thought they pop music was one of the 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.880 point of it was that it was supposed to kind 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.400 of instigate the generational conflict. Yeah, yeah, of course, Yeah, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.319 that's very much what it did in my household. You know, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.240 I'd be upstairs playing the sex Pistols and my little 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.600 crappy sort of boots stereo and must would be blasting 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.520 out kind of marlor downstairs, and you know, be the 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.480 almost this battle of the volume of the volume pedals, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:31.880 you know. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.400 And now you're you're the dad in your house and 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.720 what you're. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.920 A terrifying prospect that. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.800 Are your kids into something that you are you think 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.520 is equally as naf as your dad thought of the 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.560 sex pistols, or are you a bit more? 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.360 I try not to sort of do that because I 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.760 know that it's sort of almost sort of it's kind 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.679 of like the more you think it's enough more. I'm 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.960 a little bit a little bit black. My step my 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.000 little boy he's he's only very young, so he'sn't really 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.520 got into music yet. He just sort of listens to whatever. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.360 But my step son listens to stuff. I listened to 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.360 a lot of listens to a lot of trap. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:08.959 Right of course. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.440 Yeah, that's kind of what kids, you know, fourteen year 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.760 old kids listen to. Yeah, there's actually one singer that 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.320 I quite like. He used to be into sort of 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.240 rock and stuff and then and and Foles and stuff 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:22.920 like that, and he suddenly the last couple of years 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.640 he's going to trap. There's one thing that I really 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.920 likely likes is this guy called Jimothy Lacosse. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.120 Oh yeah, have you heard. Yeah, we had him in 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:30.720 the magazine. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.920 He's a kind of genius, like you don't know whether 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.360 he's serious or not. And the songs are absolutely there. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.040 Got to You've got to listen to the songs with 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:39.760 the videos. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.640 Yeah, the video to get it kind of. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.000 Thing, the videos of him dancing in kind of like 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.080 supermarkets and stuff like that. Just something about him that 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.840 I really like. Brilliantly deadpan. You know, life is getting quiet, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:53.560 and you know that. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:58.240 One brilliant his big number. We actually DJed at the 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.400 festival at the weekend. We did a silent disco for 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.120 the opening party of the festival on Thursday night, and 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.680 Jimmy Fi lacoss was the hit of our of our set. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.640 We played a couple of his tracks, and that was 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.280 the thing that people were most into out of everything 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.640 we played from the year. So, yeah, he's doing things. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.440 Oh good. Well I'm pleased for him because it's good. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.000 That good, that good stuff kind of gets recognition. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:22.360 Yeah. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.560 So how's your relationship with classical music now? Do you 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.240 look on it fondly or listen to classical music or 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.839 are you still like, no, that's just that's my dad's thing. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.959 Yeah, I can listen to classical music. I mean I 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.560 don't sort of find it offensive. I don't. I don't 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.400 sort of love it obsessively like my father did. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.320 Sure, did he play Did he play music? 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.760 No? No, no, no, no, he was he was just 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.120 sort of a fan kind of thing, an obsessive fan, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.000 and he didn't even he was kind of had a 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.800 sort of strange attitude to to me playing where he 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:56.559 kind of like was always telling people that I was 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.960 going to become a concert pianist, but didn't sort of 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.199 get me piano lessons or anything like that. It was 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.800 kind of this, well, this kind of look strange, some mismatch. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:07.880 I just thought it was going to happen. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.320 Yeah, exactly. It's sort of like, Okay. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.800 So when did you start making music or being interested 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.080 in thinking I'm going to try and be a musician myself. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.880 Quite early on, the house that I was brought up 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:26.080 in was quite creative. My mother was an artist, well 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.360 she was sort of she wasn't sort of commercially successful artist, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.840 but she painted, and that's sort of how she defined herself. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.880 She kind of made money by she was a seamstress. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.040 She made sort of made dresses for the sort of 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.840 women in the area and fixed things and stuff like that. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.880 But she was quite a creative person, well, very creative person. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.240 She was always making something or mending something. And my 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:48.840 dad used to sort of make things as well. He 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.719 was quite creative in a different way, not in a 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.000 less artistic way, in a more kind of practical way. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.320 So he's sort of like he used to make all 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.760 of our furniture, and you know, sort of so everything 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.000 we kind of owned was sort of homemade or second 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.880 hand or something like that. So it's kind of quite 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.440 a sort of an old upbringing, quite sort of left 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.199 field and creative. And I think when I came to 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.240 wanting to hear a certain sort of thing musically, when 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.360 I couldn't quite hear it, I thought, well, I'll try 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.239 and make it myself. And it was that kind of attitude. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:21.800 It's sort of like if you don't if you haven't 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.520 got it, you make it, you know. And it's that 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.120 sort of like, well I can do that, you know, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.320 because my mother used to make all our clothes and 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.320 my dad used to make our furniture, So why can't 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.400 I make songs? So I sort of sit there and 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.719 bash out and try and you know, make write these 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.160 rubbish songs. And you know, those rubbish songs were rubbish 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.560 for many years and then some critical point got quite 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.560 okay and people have started to like them. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.240 Is that when you were in bands like the Pigs 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.080 and Jeff they were? Were they your first two bands that. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:49.280 You were in? 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.240 Yeah, the Pigs were, and yeah exactly, you know, it 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.320 just kind of like silly. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:55.400 Were they punk bands? 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.839 I don't even know what they were? Do you know 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.760 what I mean? You're so kind of like without any 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.960 sort of identity of just throwing all your influences and 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:09.280 into the into the melting pot and making unlistenable rubbish. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.000 It's just guys sitting around. I mean, to call them 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.600 bands is sort of like slightly kind of giving them 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.000 a little bit too much kind of you know, it's 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.880 given too much credit, just us sitting around with guitars 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.400 on our laps, you know what I mean talking about 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.360 being Yeah, because it's like, because I've sort of answered 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.960 questions like this, it's like, you know, they become all 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.080 the pigs. Well you know what were they like people 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.240 assumed that we were kind of gigging around, you know, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.280 playing or something. You know, it's kind of some people 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.040 sitting around kind of like writing some crappy songs. You know, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.280 it's you know, retrospectively, it's sort of like they've they've 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.880 they've achieved more kind of you know than actually at 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.280 the time. But it's a rite of passage, isn't it. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.040 For for for for lots of young men, you know, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.200 bitch forming a band and you know it's exciting. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.680 Can you remember when you first got up and sang 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.360 in front of people? 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.440 No, when I first started off in the band, I 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.320 was the guitar player, right, that's sort of what I 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:12.880 wanted to be. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.600 That was kind of was that the band that would 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:16.880 become Swede or was that? 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.200 No, there's a band of you know, when I first 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.000 started off on these early kind of like you know, 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.920 bedroomy bands sort of thing. I was the guitar player 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.720 and and then I think I in jet We had 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.640 this band called Funny Bank called Jeff, and the singer 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.920 left and I sort of got sort of pushed to 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.080 the front. It was kind of this weird sort of thing. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.560 And I was like, because I could sing, I was 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.280 the only one could sing in tune sort of thing. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.920 It became this sort of thing and like, what do 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.080 you sing? Like, Okay, then I suppose I'll give it 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.880 a go. I wasn't sort of like, oh, I want 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.840 to be a singer. I had to learn to be 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.160 a singer. I had to sort of learned to, you know, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.000 to express myself. You know, when I first started as 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.520 a singer, I was kind of thought it was all 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.400 just about sort of singing in tune and singing nice 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.960 words and singing nice songs and stuff like that. I 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.520 didn't understand the kind of how you've got to sort 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.000 of emote and have you got to give yourself to 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.560 the music, all of these sorts of things. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:06.800 You know. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.920 I had to learn that over many years and many 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:09.760 years of failure. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.120 So when you started to sing in front of people, 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.680 because that's quite I always think that's a really terrifying 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.560 thing to do. And I don't think I've ever met 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.440 anyone any singer who said, oh, I wanted to be 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:23.640 I knew I wanted to be the singer, and I 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.960 was comfortable being the singer from day one. And I, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.360 you know, I don't know anyone that ever set out 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.680 to be a singer and felt comfortable with it. It 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.320 fascinates me that people put themselves through that torture, because 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.400 to me, that's the hell. The idea of getting in 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.560 front of people and having to sing is just I 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:39.960 could I. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.360 Don't think, Well, that's why there's so much ego involved, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.960 because you have to sort of you have to believe 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.760 in what you do in order to get up there. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.480 And that's why, and that the ego obviously goes out 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.560 of control sometimes, and that's what's so exciting about bands 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.800 going off the rails. It's this madness that kind of 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.760 just goes wrong, and people love the soap opera of it. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.160 But that's why there is so much ego in amongst 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.600 musicians and specially singers, because it's a sort of strange 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.200 role to find yourself in and and but when you 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.600 sort of get good at it, you know, which you 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.960 have to sort of get fairly competent to sort of 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.720 reach a certain standard. There's this there's an incredible thrill, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.920 and it goes from being this terrifying thing, and in 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.080 the early days it is it was terrifying. I don't 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.000 really know how the hell I kind of pushed through 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.520 those early days because some of those early gigs were 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.199 just so depressing. You know, we regularly there were more 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.320 people on stage than in the audience. We once played 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.439 to one person, you know, things like that, how can 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.480 you kind of and you just have this blind self 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.040 belief And I don't really know what it was based on, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.200 because I wasn't particularly musically adapt and we certainly hadn't 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.560 really learned to riot and stuff at that point. And 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.320 for some reason, I just pushed through it, and you 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.360 just you just sort of I don't know, it's yeah, 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.200 that sort of self belief which can mutate into into hubris. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.240 I think, can you remember the time that it did 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.240 switch from being terrifying because there was obviously something there 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.120 that made you, as you say, and you don't even 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.080 necessarily know what it was or where that belief in 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.960 yourself came from, but it was obviously there enough to 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.040 make you go. And we've only paid to one person tonight, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.920 but we're still going to do another show, Yeah, because 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.760 a lot of people would be like, best forget this. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.200 Yeah, it's a bit embarrassing. I think when we started 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.359 writing good songs, and there was a kind of weird 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.520 period when me and Bernard started writing really good songs, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.040 it was a weird period sort of. There's about six 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.760 month period when we were sort of like writing songs 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.520 that would end up being on the first album and 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:41.640 kind of being lavishly kind of you know, praised by 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.000 the press sort of thing. But we're playing those things 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.920 like Drowners and to the Birds and you know, Pantomime Holes, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.760 all these songs that end up on the first album 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.200 meltal Mickey as well, and we were sort of still 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.919 playing those to two people perhaps sort of thing, and 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.919 everyone's like and we were kind of out. It was interesting. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.840 Thing was swayed because I think we were really out 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.920 of step with what was going on at that point 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.120 when we were on the Cusp, just before we made it, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.960 the whole sort of baggy shoegazing thing had just sort 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.280 of like, you know, it was just kind of coming 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.399 to his you know, dreary end and Swayed certainly weren't 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.800 baggy and certainly weren't a shoegazing band. We're sort of 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.040 doing something different. And first of all that was a 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.800 weakness because people kind of like just ignored us and thought, well, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359 they don't fit into this. But it allowed us to 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.920