Speaker 1: Most of us don't struggle to find peace, We struggle
Speaker 1: to slow down long enough to feel it. In this
Speaker 1: conversation with Melissa Wood, we explore what it actually takes
Speaker 1: to stay grounded when life doesn't slow down, and why
Speaker 1: so many of us feel disconnected even when everything looks fine.
Speaker 1: I share the practices that keep me centered and what
Speaker 1: we need to let go of to actually feel calm.
Speaker 1: If you've been feeling overwhelmed, you don't want to miss
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 2: We live in such a chaotic world and there's just
Speaker 2: this buzz of energy going on. I mean, I live
Speaker 2: in New York City and you can hear, you know,
Speaker 2: sirens constantly. So to be able to drop into yourself
Speaker 2: is It's the reason I know I'm here and the
Speaker 2: reason that I've been able to build and blossom in
Speaker 2: the way that I have. And I think like the
Speaker 2: more that I've gotten to know about you and your story,
Speaker 2: I feel that is like the one thing in people
Speaker 2: that they struggle with the most, they like battle with,
Speaker 2: is finding this like inner peace within themselves. And I
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to know where the seed of
Speaker 2: this all really came from.
Speaker 3: For you, If you ask me about inner piece.
Speaker 2: My honest answer is my mom.
Speaker 1: And I really believe that a mother's love can be
Speaker 1: the greatest shield to all of the challenges, stresses, pains,
Speaker 1: and pressures that a kid can go through growing up.
Speaker 1: And so my childhood was not easy by any means,
Speaker 1: but I feel like my mother's love was this protective
Speaker 1: shield that when I look back on it, I think,
Speaker 1: how do I not have any cuts on me? And
Speaker 1: how do I not have any scars? And where are
Speaker 1: my battle wounds? And the beautiful part of that is
Speaker 1: you realize your mother's love protected you. Then you also
Speaker 1: realize that maybe your mom took some of those wounds
Speaker 1: for you. And that's the hardest part because as you
Speaker 1: grow up and you want the people around you to
Speaker 1: also feel peace and also feel love and also feel
Speaker 1: joy that they helped you have you realize you can't
Speaker 1: always control that. And so the seed of piece for
Speaker 1: me is definitely my mother's love. I think everything that's
Speaker 1: good about me is because of how my mom raised me,
Speaker 1: and all the credit goes to her, because, yeah, she
Speaker 1: loves me more than anything in the world, and I
Speaker 1: still feel it today.
Speaker 2: I love your mom. Your love for your mother, it's
Speaker 2: so real, and as a mother myself, I'm like that
Speaker 2: is I think when people are like, what is your
Speaker 2: greatest wish in life, it's to have my children talk
Speaker 2: about me the way you talk about your mother and
Speaker 2: your parents like it's just you know, I think when
Speaker 2: you look at just like, what's the point of it all?
Speaker 2: You know? And to have the people that were literally
Speaker 2: bringing into this world to feel that because I didn't
Speaker 2: feel that. I hope and I pray that everyone feels
Speaker 2: what you felt. And I know that's why I feel
Speaker 2: so much passion about the way that I parent, because
Speaker 2: I want to break a cycle. I have broken a cycle.
Speaker 2: And in your home, was your mom a meditator? Was
Speaker 2: she like? What were where? Did all of this grounded?
Speaker 2: Like mama bear energy come from from her? You know
Speaker 2: what it was?
Speaker 1: She was the hardest work right now, and so she
Speaker 1: woke up earlier than us. She'd do her prayers in
Speaker 1: the morning. But at that time, spirituality and religion to me,
Speaker 1: were very ritualistic in how it was practiced at home.
Speaker 1: We did it on a particular day. It didn't have meaning,
Speaker 1: it didn't necessarily have a spirit, it didn't really have depth.
Speaker 1: I guess to some degree at least, or at least
Speaker 1: from the outside in. It didn't feel that way to me,
Speaker 1: But I think for me, I just saw my mom
Speaker 1: working hard. I saw her making a fresh breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner for my sister every day, dropping us to school,
Speaker 1: picking us up from school, going back out to work,
Speaker 1: coming back home. She was the breadwinner of the family.
Speaker 1: She did everything, And to be honest, I think that's
Speaker 1: where I get my work ethic from, is watching my
Speaker 1: mom just work so hard at life when it wasn't
Speaker 1: really handing her out any favors, or it wasn't giving
Speaker 1: her the best opportunities, or it wasn't like things were
Speaker 1: lining up for her. But I don't remember hearing her complain,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember her making a big deal out
Speaker 1: of it. Just remember her getting on with it. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think I remember once when I was
Speaker 1: going through a bit of a tough time, and I
Speaker 1: don't talk to my mom about that in that way.
Speaker 1: Our relationship today is very much. I check in with her.
Speaker 1: She asked me what I ate. I tell her I
Speaker 1: love her, and she asked me a bit about something
Speaker 1: that's happening in my world, which she doesn't fully understand
Speaker 1: and it's a sweet interaction. But once I remember telling
Speaker 1: her that it was a really stressful time and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't usually say that to my mom. This was around
Speaker 1: seven eight years ago, and she said to me, she goes, well,
Speaker 1: you're really good at dealing with stress. And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? And my mom doesn't give me
Speaker 1: pep talks either, and she said, yeah, when you were
Speaker 1: in my stomach, you went through a lot of stress,
Speaker 1: like I was under a lot of stress. She goes,
Speaker 1: you're really good at dealing with it, and that, Like
Speaker 1: I remember just like crying that day because I almost
Speaker 1: had no idea what she meant. But I also know
Speaker 1: what she meant, and there was so much in that
Speaker 1: coded message that she shared with me, and I felt
Speaker 1: so much strength and resilience from it from that reminder,
Speaker 1: and at the same time felt, you know, sadness and
Speaker 1: pain from the fact that she'd undergone so much at
Speaker 1: that time. But it gave me such a boost, And
Speaker 1: so I think it's not Sometimes the peace doesn't always
Speaker 1: come from peace. It comes from knowing how to be
Speaker 1: still in chaos. And I think sometimes we're hoping that
Speaker 1: if we create a peaceful atmosphere people will learn peace,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's the case. I think it's
Speaker 1: giving people the skills and tools to know how to
Speaker 1: be still in a chaotic atmosphere that creates peace. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what my mum did, not consciously or intentionally,
Speaker 1: but simply by watching her work and watching her move,
Speaker 1: I was sure that that's how she got through chaos.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? It totally makes sense. So how
Speaker 2: did you create your practice of stillness? And I want
Speaker 2: to know what it looks like? Yeah, like the real end? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I really believe that my practice of stillness came from
Speaker 1: in the beginning, listening to my inner voice. And I
Speaker 1: probably started listening to my inner voice when I was
Speaker 1: around fourteen years old. And I remember that very strongly
Speaker 1: because there were expectations for my parents from family, and
Speaker 1: I disagreed with them, or my inner voice did, and
Speaker 1: I was strong enough and courageous enough at the time
Speaker 1: to stand up for them, and I felt that's what
Speaker 1: stillness really was. Stillness was the ability to say, this
Speaker 1: is where I stand, this is how I feel, this
Speaker 1: is what's important to me, this is what I value you.
Speaker 1: That's real stillness. There's the external stillness of what we
Speaker 1: think of a calm motion or a calm lake. But
Speaker 1: to me, real stillness is I'm immovable in my spirit
Speaker 1: and immovable in my conviction. That's real stillness. I stand
Speaker 1: up for something. There's a beautiful quote from mine Luther
Speaker 1: King where he said that if you can't stand for something,
Speaker 1: you'll fall for anything. And so stillness to me is
Speaker 1: that ability to say I'm here. And at that time
Speaker 1: it wasn't serious. It was me telling my parents I
Speaker 1: didn't want to study sciences and you know, you're arguing
Speaker 1: over what what you're going to focus on at school.
Speaker 1: It wasn't deep, but it was the seed of learning
Speaker 1: how to be still.
Speaker 2: That gave me chills. Right, Like, I've never really thought
Speaker 2: about it in that exact way, but that is exactly
Speaker 2: what it is. It's standing so strong in who you
Speaker 2: are and what you believe and regardless of all of
Speaker 2: the stuff and the opinion shopping. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: when I think of it, it's like being with self.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that it needs to be quiet
Speaker 2: or anything. It's actually really going inside to the depths
Speaker 2: of your soul, which I know you can literally do anywhere.
Speaker 2: I do it, you know, on a park bench, in
Speaker 2: an uber, on an airplane. When you learn how to
Speaker 2: do that, it's something that it just like sharpens these
Speaker 2: intuitive tools within yourself and you can tap in like
Speaker 2: I mean right before I did it, like I'm just
Speaker 2: like okay, like just do it, go in like it's
Speaker 2: it is something that we all have the ability to do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah it's not. And it's when you first start
Speaker 1: listening to that voice. It's going to be really quiet.
Speaker 1: It's going to be really soft because it's been ignored
Speaker 1: for so long. It's been shunned and put aside. And
Speaker 1: then it gains confidence and then it gets stronger and
Speaker 1: it gets louder, and it gets more courageous, and it
Speaker 1: gets more powerful. And so when you first start listening
Speaker 1: to that voice, which is what makes you immovable, in
Speaker 1: the beginning may be a bit shaky. The voice might
Speaker 1: even be a bit shaky, but it will gain strength
Speaker 1: as you listen to and as you follow it. And
Speaker 1: I think for me now, my practice means being able
Speaker 1: to reconnect with that voice in and amongst all that noise.
Speaker 1: And I think it's about giving that voice a personality,
Speaker 1: a character, and name a identity that makes it easier
Speaker 1: for you to recognize it. Because you get older, there's
Speaker 1: more voices. There's your voice that is true to you,
Speaker 1: but that's buried in the voices of everyone's expectations, and
Speaker 1: that's buried in the voices of society, and then that's
Speaker 1: buried in the voices of social media, and then that's
Speaker 1: buried in the voice of your boss, your team, your friends,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So your voice that you're saying
Speaker 1: gives you stillness is clouded by all of this noise,
Speaker 1: and so hearing it and identifying it becomes the biggest challenge.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I usually know that it's my
Speaker 1: voice because and this is true for me, and it
Speaker 1: may not be true for others. And you've got to
Speaker 1: find the characteristics that are true for you. For me,
Speaker 1: usually no one agrees with me, and that makes me go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I know my voice. He's not really agrees with metail, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like.
Speaker 2: No one agrees with me.
Speaker 1: Most people are probably going to think I'm crazy or
Speaker 1: don't really vibe with it, and I'm probably going to
Speaker 1: have to go against the grain. There's going to be
Speaker 1: some resistance that's what I found with mine. One other Yeah,
Speaker 1: other people will say, oh, I feel lots of flow,
Speaker 1: and I feel lots of opening doors. Mine's the opposite.
Speaker 1: I've always felt that my voice means I'm now going
Speaker 1: to have to break down doors and fight my way there.
Speaker 1: And that's just what's worked for me. And I'm just
Speaker 1: more prepared for it now because I've done it so
Speaker 1: many times. And I mean, we can talk more about
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to talk more about more of the
Speaker 1: stillness that we'd assume is stillness too. If that's important, well,
Speaker 1: I can definitely do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's all so important. I love just
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite thing about having a conversation with
Speaker 2: anyone who just has mastered the mind and continues to
Speaker 2: be on this quest, right, because you can master the
Speaker 2: mind one day and then you wake up and you're like,
Speaker 2: and sis, you got to get back to work. It's
Speaker 2: like this never ending. And I will honestly tell you
Speaker 2: here in my forties, I'm like, is there ever going
Speaker 2: to be a day where I just wake up and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what, you can just get this day?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 2: I can't. I have to continue to quite literally like
Speaker 2: get go to work inside myself because it has opened
Speaker 2: up a world beyond anything that I thought could have
Speaker 2: ever happened for me. And with knowing that it's shifted
Speaker 2: and changed everything inside of me and to be able
Speaker 2: to experience what it shifted in other people, I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is my work, you know, and it's what has
Speaker 2: created other beautiful things in my life. But there's actually
Speaker 2: nothing more important in any day to me. And I
Speaker 2: really mean this, And I'm a mom and I'm a wife,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you that taking care of my
Speaker 2: mind first comes comes before anything else, and if I don't,
Speaker 2: things are just different. I'm just more reactive. I'm not
Speaker 2: who I know my purestie highest self to be. And
Speaker 2: it's just this, you know. It's this never ending, like
Speaker 2: beautiful journey of literally opening my eyes every day and
Speaker 2: realizing that even when I don't want to do it,
Speaker 2: you know, how did you do that?
Speaker 1: When there's such a societal conditioning for women, especially to
Speaker 1: forego their own needs for the family, children, partner. I
Speaker 1: feel so many women feel that, and then it comes
Speaker 1: with the guilt of I'm putting myself first. What was
Speaker 1: it for you that what reframe helped you do that,
Speaker 1: because I think so many people want that they need it,
Speaker 1: but then the shame, the guilt, the conditioning kind of
Speaker 1: becomes overwhelming. And it's especially true for women, Yeah, way
Speaker 1: more than it is for men. Like so where, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's true for my mom, Like when I
Speaker 1: look at my mom's life everything, I was saying, my
Speaker 1: mom sacrificed everything, yep, for being a nurturer, and I've
Speaker 1: reaped the benefits of that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: as now an adult son, all I want is for
Speaker 1: my mom to have taken out time for herself, right,
Speaker 1: Like That's what my wish was. So I wonder what
Speaker 1: was the reframe for you that helped you get to
Speaker 1: that conviction of you being so clear that your mind
Speaker 1: is your first priority.
Speaker 2: And like complete honesty. Who it's hard to even say
Speaker 2: without choking up. It is from not growing up in
Speaker 2: a happy home that I like will do anything and
Speaker 2: everything in my power to bring love and happiness and
Speaker 2: joy and fulfillment into like the energy of my home.
Speaker 2: And I think when you when you grow up in
Speaker 2: a house where there's just mental struggles and mental illness
Speaker 2: and just mental health, you know, it's it's a it's
Speaker 2: a battle. And for me, it's just knowing that I
Speaker 2: could so easily shift in that gear like that is
Speaker 2: my natural state. I can go there so quick that
Speaker 2: I know I have to work, I have to work
Speaker 2: extra hard. And it's not even about hard at this point.
Speaker 2: It's it's about this devotion. It's this daily devotion to myself,
Speaker 2: to my family, to my team, to my community, to
Speaker 2: any person that I interact with, because I know that
Speaker 2: I want to wake up and operate at a frequency
Speaker 2: that is at a vibration that I never felt growing up.
Speaker 2: I didn't really know that that was what people felt
Speaker 2: at home. So it's it's so like deep you feel it.
Speaker 2: It's so deep in my soul that it's it's like
Speaker 2: I do it when I don't want to do it
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful. Yeah, really special. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what does your practice look like? Because you're
Speaker 2: so wise and you know it's it's easy to look
Speaker 2: at someone like yourself and just think like, oh, you
Speaker 2: have it all, Like look what you've built, Like you're
Speaker 2: the you know, top health and wellness podcast in the world.
Speaker 2: You're But I think when you like strip back the
Speaker 2: layers of just being a human. Like we all have
Speaker 2: these inner struggles and these things that were up again,
Speaker 2: and some look different for others. So what is it
Speaker 2: with you? Like what? And how do you devote to
Speaker 2: yourself to keep coming back and just stay so connected
Speaker 2: to yourself and your purpose. One of my.
Speaker 1: Favorite practices that I do on a daily and weekly
Speaker 1: basis is called seeds and weeds. And so when I'm
Speaker 1: making choices every day, I ask myself whether that choice
Speaker 1: is a seed or a weed? Am I planting a
Speaker 1: seed that will one day turn into a beautiful tree
Speaker 1: and bear fruit, give shade to others and be a
Speaker 1: beautiful place to rest or? Am I planting a weed
Speaker 1: which will eventually strangle the new bronze tree in its
Speaker 1: infancy and kill all the things that are good in
Speaker 1: my garden? And that simple practice is a practice of
Speaker 1: evaluating intentions and actions. So when I'm saying yes to something,
Speaker 1: is my intention my ego and is my action aligned
Speaker 1: with that? Or when I'm saying yes to something, is
Speaker 1: my intention joy and purpose? And is my action aligned
Speaker 1: with that? And by the way, I've made mistakes on
Speaker 1: both of those. And you only learn by planning A
Speaker 1: weed and a couple of years later, feeling the weed,
Speaker 1: grab a hold of it. And even if you did
Speaker 1: it unconsciously, by the way, sometimes it's not like you
Speaker 1: consciously made a bad choice. You subconsciously, you unconsciously, you
Speaker 1: unintentionally did it. But that's why it happened to teach you,
Speaker 1: to raise to you. So now it's very clear to
Speaker 1: me that I think of seeds as purpose, love, joy, commitment, duty, responsibility, accountability.
Speaker 2: Those are all seeds.
Speaker 1: Weeds are ego, jealousy, anger, comparison, lost, illusion, These are
Speaker 1: all weeds. And we have the ability just by pausing
Speaker 1: to know which one we're watering and which one we're planting.
Speaker 1: And so I will visualize myself unweeding my garden of
Speaker 1: my mind. I'll literally visualize myself grabbing hold of the
Speaker 1: root of a weed and pulling it out in order
Speaker 1: to dispose of it from my mind, because that's what
Speaker 1: it takes, and visualizing myself. And by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: terrible at gardening, so I have no idea what my
Speaker 1: brain works this way, but the idea of planting a
Speaker 1: seed very deeply in the soil and making sure that
Speaker 1: it has sunlight and water and everything else that it needs.
Speaker 1: So to me, that practice has been one of the
Speaker 1: game changes in my life because it's something that I
Speaker 1: can always be honest and that's all that's required.
Speaker 2: So are you sitting in a meditation? First?
Speaker 1: When I first started this, I would do it paper,
Speaker 1: and so I'd literally draw a line down the middle
Speaker 1: of the page, and on one sid'd write seeds. And
Speaker 1: once i'd write weeds, I then made a list of
Speaker 1: categories of what seeds are to me, which I just
Speaker 1: named to you, and then a list of what weeds
Speaker 1: are to me. And then I would look at the
Speaker 1: next choice, so the next deal, the next partnership, the
Speaker 1: next career venture, whatever it may be, and then I
Speaker 1: get to be honest with myself. Sometimes I would honestly
Speaker 1: put in the weed and still do it because I
Speaker 1: was being pulled, but recognizing it was a weed. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I'd be like, no, it's a weed. Can I
Speaker 1: upgrade my intention to a seed? Can it be improved?
Speaker 1: And so it gives you a real map of being
Speaker 1: able to figure it out. It's almost like looking at
Speaker 1: a garden and going, well, do on a plant, rose
Speaker 1: bushes over there, do on a plant, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: else it is, and I like the idea of doing
Speaker 1: it on paper and writing seeds and weeds on either side,
Speaker 1: and having a list of seeds and a list of weeds,
Speaker 1: and then looking at every choice that's a big choice,
Speaker 1: a career choice, a relationship choice. It's almost like, am
Speaker 1: I getting into this relationship because I'm scared of being alone?
Speaker 1: Or because this person is compatible with my values and vision?
Speaker 1: Am I staying in this relationship because I'm settling for
Speaker 1: less than I deserve because I'm scared if anyone will
Speaker 1: ever love me? Or Am I staying in this relationship
Speaker 1: because I believe we can make it work. Every single decision,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's your seed or weed, yes, But
Speaker 1: because we think of our decisions as final and fatalistic,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about them in the right way. Where
Speaker 1: Whereas when you think about a seed and a weed,
Speaker 1: you realize it's something that can be grown and cut,
Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden you approach your life,
Speaker 1: you realize a seed has a long journey, and so
Speaker 1: does a weed. So if you catch a weed when
Speaker 1: it's only got to fifty percent of your garden, you
Speaker 1: can still take it out. It's not a decision that
Speaker 1: can't be changed.
Speaker 2: I love that so much. I'm definitely going to start
Speaker 2: thinking about that. And I'm like in that, you know
Speaker 2: when you're just like but I but hold on a second,
Speaker 2: And I think the thing that I've learned in this
Speaker 2: place when you're maybe not feeling certainty right, because we
Speaker 2: live in such an uncertain world, but the way to
Speaker 2: really gain certainty is to trust and to go with
Speaker 2: the thing and to give it one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: what you have. Yes, right, because that's how you're going
Speaker 2: to like certainty is going to come through whether you
Speaker 2: made the right decision or the wrongs absolute.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, And I don't think there is a right
Speaker 1: or wrong decision. I think there's too much pressure on
Speaker 1: making the right or wrong decision. But I think that
Speaker 1: you can choose to make something work for you and
Speaker 1: make something right if you desire to. I think the
Speaker 1: wrong decision is just a harder decision. It may come
Speaker 1: with more discomfort, it may come with more stress, and
Speaker 1: therefore we think, oh, I made the wrong decision, But
Speaker 1: sometimes that leads you to your greatest growth and your
Speaker 1: greatest lesson. And I think as as you as you're
Speaker 1: smiling to that, it's like I think there's there's a
Speaker 1: beautiful quote that I love, and it says that I've
Speaker 1: never seen a strong person with an easy past. And
Speaker 1: it goes back to what we were saying about children
Speaker 1: or about raising someone that by overprotecting and by over coddling,
Speaker 1: you create something weak. You don't create something strong because
Speaker 1: it never had to build the resilience or the strength
Speaker 1: to fight off anything that was bad for it. And
Speaker 1: so by allowing yourself to make mistakes, yes, but then
Speaker 1: from that mistake, taking strength can transform everything everything.
Speaker 2: As you just said that, it's I feel like I've
Speaker 2: you know, really been in this space of being so
Speaker 2: conscious of my vocabulary because shifting and really listening to
Speaker 2: the words that I use have really helped me realize, like, wow,
Speaker 2: I was holding myself back for so many years because
Speaker 2: of the limited beliefs that I was just saying every
Speaker 2: single day. So as soon as I said that, I
Speaker 2: swear to you, I was like, there's a different way
Speaker 2: to say that. But like, that's a beautiful thing, right
Speaker 2: because I think about all of the quote unquote like
Speaker 2: wrong decisions if you will, that I've made have without
Speaker 2: a doubt, made me the strongest, most resilient version of
Speaker 2: myself and also made me realize it's not wrong. It's
Speaker 2: the path that you had to take to get to
Speaker 2: the right thing for you. Right. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean as you were saying that, I was just
Speaker 1: thinking how many people downplay their wins in order to
Speaker 1: make other people feel comfortable. How many people will complain
Speaker 1: about their day just because they know it will make
Speaker 1: other people feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How many people will.
Speaker 1: Lie about or even make up a relationship issue they
Speaker 1: have in order to feel more relatable to everyone else.
Speaker 1: And it's really interesting how quickly we all start creating
Speaker 1: our own drama, stress, and pressure in how we talk
Speaker 1: to ourselves because we think that's what makes us connect
Speaker 1: with everyone around us. If someone's gossiping, or if I
Speaker 1: match their frequency, now we can connect over something. If
Speaker 1: someone's talking bad about someone, if I join in, now
Speaker 1: we can connect about something.
Speaker 2: And we all do it. I do it too.
Speaker 1: But it's what you're saying, it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: are we raising our frequency? Are we lowering it? And
Speaker 1: to me, that goes back to making a choice, because
Speaker 1: every time you lower your frequency, that becomes your frequency.
Speaker 1: You become more like what you critique. You become more
Speaker 1: like what you compare. You become more like what you
Speaker 1: complain about, and all of a sudden you realize you're
Speaker 1: becoming all the things you didn't want to be. And
Speaker 1: it is all about how we talk to ourselves. I think,
Speaker 1: how we talk to ourselves and how we talk to
Speaker 1: people we love.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, that's a big one. Being able to recognize
Speaker 2: the words that you use to the person that is
Speaker 2: the closest to you. I mean, I feel like that
Speaker 2: has been one of my biggest awakenings this year too,
Speaker 2: that you know when you're when I'm like in my
Speaker 2: zone or just like meditating, that's like one thing for me,
Speaker 2: Like when i'm it's very verbally communicated in my home
Speaker 2: because everyone wants mom to meditate because moms and oh
Speaker 2: they're like that, my children, I mean, my husband's like,
Speaker 2: you didn't meditate and listen. I know people are like,
Speaker 2: but it shouldn't it completely like change the that you're Yes,
Speaker 2: acually trust me, you want this. So it's a known
Speaker 2: thing and I can feel myself if Noah interrupts me,
Speaker 2: I'm just like like the fire. But I'm just softening
Speaker 2: those edges, learning that like there's a way to not
Speaker 2: be so snappy.
Speaker 1: You're reminding me of an experience I had when I
Speaker 1: lived as a monk for three years. There was a
Speaker 1: one train journey we went on that was around somewhere
Speaker 1: between two to three days. There was a journey from
Speaker 1: North India to South India. And when you're a monk,
Speaker 1: you don't you travel generally by train, especially when you're
Speaker 1: in a country and the backpack, right with a backpack, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And it takes like two to three days to get
Speaker 1: to the south and we were going on a pilgrimage.
Speaker 1: And so I get on this train and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in London, Like the tube in
Speaker 1: London's amazing, and the trains in London are amazing, and
Speaker 1: the trains in India. When you're a monk, you're not.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as coach. It's like whatever's
Speaker 1: less than coach. And I'm not kidding you. I got
Speaker 1: on this train and I went to use the restroom.
Speaker 1: And for anyone who's been to India back in the day,
Speaker 1: and that train still had it that way, the bathroom
Speaker 1: is not a toilet that you'd find in a western home.
Speaker 2: It's a hole in the floor.
Speaker 1: I've heard and I walked in and it was the
Speaker 1: whole bathroom and the train was so filthy. We just
Speaker 1: got on the train. It was so filthy that I
Speaker 1: decided to fast for two to three days because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to use it. I just didn't want to
Speaker 1: go in there. So I'm on this train and the
Speaker 1: train's chaotic. I thought I had a seat, but there
Speaker 1: is no assign seating. Everyone's sitting everywhere. There's people sitting
Speaker 1: on the floor, there's people sitting on the chair. And
Speaker 1: I told my monk teacher, I said, I think when
Speaker 1: we stopped, because it was a long hall train, the
Speaker 1: stops would be like ten minutes, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes
Speaker 1: at a station. They weren't these quick stops. And so
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, do you know what
Speaker 1: during the next you know, time on this train, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get off the train, meditate somewhere near the station,
Speaker 1: and then jump back on the train.
Speaker 2: And I just want you to know that.
Speaker 1: And he asked me why, and I said, well, because
Speaker 1: it's more peaceful, Like I would jump off and I'd
Speaker 1: find somewhere in the corner of the station. I said,
Speaker 1: it's more peaceful than the train, because the train is
Speaker 1: just chaotic. There's people everywhere and there's nowhere to sit.
Speaker 1: And he saw me do this a few times and
Speaker 1: then he sat me down and he said to me,
Speaker 1: he said, Jay, do you think life is going to
Speaker 1: be peaceful like the stop or chaotic like the train?
Speaker 1: And I said, I think it's going to be both,
Speaker 1: but I think it's going to be more like the train.
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, that's where you need to learn
Speaker 1: how to meditate on the train. And it was just
Speaker 1: a really great lesson because the idea of just I
Speaker 1: was looking for peace to create peace, and his point was,
Speaker 1: don't look for peace to create peace, find peace in
Speaker 1: the chaos, because then you've really found peace. And so
Speaker 1: I remember meditating on that train in the middle of crowds,
Speaker 1: people getting on and off, people sleeping where I was
Speaker 1: meant to be sitting. And that's what's given me the
Speaker 1: ability to what you were just saying, to meditate in
Speaker 1: the back of uber, to meditate on a plane, to
Speaker 1: meditate wherever you are, because that's the skill you were
Speaker 1: trying to develop. And so I think sometimes when I'm
Speaker 1: being disturbed during meditation, I see it as the best
Speaker 1: thing that could happen, because that's the test of can
Speaker 1: I really lock in?
Speaker 2: It's so true and like you know when you're like real,
Speaker 2: you know, every time I meditate, I'm not transcending energy,
Speaker 2: but sometimes you you really are. And I specifically in
Speaker 2: the moment, was what I chose to see what my
Speaker 2: husband needed. And I really it's such a vivid moment
Speaker 2: because I saw a version of myself that I've created
Speaker 2: show up in a way that I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: and it's it was so subtle. But I do think
Speaker 2: in relationships especially like these are the things that I
Speaker 2: keep you together respectfully talking to your partner, and you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's like I want to go in
Speaker 2: two directions with you right now because I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to think more like a monk. But like,
Speaker 2: how does a monk meditate? Is it? TM? Like, tell
Speaker 2: me exactly how do you meditate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I have three meditation practices. You'll be aware of
Speaker 1: some of them or maybe all of them. The first
Speaker 1: is breath work, Yes, And I think you and your
Speaker 1: audience and community will know so much about this and
Speaker 1: it's as simple as that. For me, breath work is
Speaker 1: how I start my day because to me, breath is
Speaker 1: at the core of everything. I remember when I was
Speaker 1: at my first day of being a monk and I
Speaker 1: was watching a young monk teach these children monks how
Speaker 1: to do something at their first day of school. So
Speaker 1: I went and watched, and I asked him what he
Speaker 1: was teaching them, and he said, I was teaching them
Speaker 1: how to breathe. And he said, what did you learn
Speaker 1: on your first day of school? And I said, one, two, three, ABC,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And he said, well, here, we teach
Speaker 1: them how to breathe because we believe that the only
Speaker 1: thing that stays with you from the moment you're born
Speaker 1: to the moment you die.
Speaker 2: Is your breath.
Speaker 1: And he said, your breath is connected to every emotion
Speaker 1: you experience in life. So what changes when you're happy
Speaker 1: your breath, or changes when you're sad your breath, Or
Speaker 1: changes when you're joyful your breath, changes when you're crying
Speaker 1: your breath. And he said every emotion under the sun
Speaker 1: is connected to your breath. So if you learn to
Speaker 1: navigate your breath, you'll know how to navigate life. He
Speaker 1: was ten years old, and I couldn't believe just how
Speaker 1: powerful it was, and so to me, our day is
Speaker 1: dictated by the quality of our breath. For anyone who
Speaker 1: works out, you know, if you're breathing right, you can
Speaker 1: lift heavier, you can push harder, if you cold plunge,
Speaker 1: you can stay in there longer. You can deal with
Speaker 1: so much your body can push it to limits if
Speaker 1: you're breathing properly. The athletes that we all admire can
Speaker 1: push themselves because they're breathing properly. The musicians who sing
Speaker 1: at the top of their lungs or play wind instruments
Speaker 1: beautifully can do that because they're breathing properly. Your breath,
Speaker 1: whether you look at it through science or spirituality, is
Speaker 1: deeply connected to human performance. If you're out of energy,
Speaker 1: you can change you with your breath true right, you
Speaker 1: can transform everything everything, And so to me, starting your
Speaker 1: day with breath work is life changing. And you know,
Speaker 1: whatever practice you do for me, it's usually aligning my
Speaker 1: breath and my body, so it's breathing in.
Speaker 2: Can we do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Oh, I'd love to. Yes, of course, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I love it, yeah, absolutely so. And I'm always being
Speaker 1: careful because I don't like to tell people something they
Speaker 1: already know and doing.
Speaker 2: And stuff love it.
Speaker 1: So what I like to do is what I find
Speaker 1: is when you wake up in the morning, we all
Speaker 1: experience one of two things. Your body's ahead of your mind,
Speaker 1: so your body's running around and your mind is saying,
Speaker 1: I wish we were still in bed, or you're experiencing
Speaker 1: the opposite. Your mind is racing around and your body
Speaker 1: is saying, I wish we were still in bed. So
Speaker 1: this practice aligns your body and mind. You're now bringing
Speaker 1: them both together so that they can be collaborative partners
Speaker 1: for the day, rather than live in this stress and
Speaker 1: tention the whole day, competing for your energy and your attention.
Speaker 1: And so it's as simple as we're going to take
Speaker 1: in it. In hell, I'm going to count, and we're
Speaker 1: going to inhale for a counter four, and we're going
Speaker 1: to exhale for a counter four. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: And the goal is to align your personal pace of
Speaker 1: counting for your breath with your breath, So you're aligning
Speaker 1: your breath and your body. You're breathing in at the
Speaker 1: same pace as you're counting in your mind. So breathe
Speaker 1: in for a counter four and out for four inhale
Speaker 1: two three four exhale two three four. Remember in your
Speaker 1: own pace, at your own time in heale two three
Speaker 1: four exhale two three four, aligning your breath and your body,
Speaker 1: not letting your mind run ahead or your body feel
Speaker 1: like it's being left behind. The goal is not to
Speaker 1: do this for as long as you can or as
Speaker 1: expertly as you can. It's to inhale at the same
Speaker 1: pace that your mind counts, and exhale at the same
Speaker 1: pace that your mind counts one last time in heale
Speaker 1: two three four exhale two three four. And so that
Speaker 1: simple practice is how I like to start my day.
Speaker 1: Because your body and mind are competing all day. Your
Speaker 1: body's saying I wish we were still in bed, your
Speaker 1: mind saying I wish we were doing more. I wish
Speaker 1: we were more productive. Your body is saying I wish
Speaker 1: I had more energy. So you're constantly living in this
Speaker 1: inside your head where there's this competition, and here you're
Speaker 1: just saying, hey, I see you both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel you both. I love how you like
Speaker 2: align the two like that because I love like I
Speaker 2: mean I do, and I share so many different versions.
Speaker 2: But the way that you like as soon as you
Speaker 2: said like aligning and not letting the pace of your breath,
Speaker 2: like be let your body be with it, like you
Speaker 2: could feel an immediate like just alignment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think about anxiety in your mind, what happens.
Speaker 1: Your breath gets shallower and it gets faster. So that
Speaker 1: means your mind is directly connected to your body. Now
Speaker 1: what's happening is your mind is moving fast. It's forcing
Speaker 1: your body to move fast. But that's not helping your
Speaker 1: body because we know shallow and fast breathing is not ideal.
Speaker 1: So now we're trying to deepen our breath, we're trying
Speaker 1: to slow it down. And so when we're trying to
Speaker 1: bring both into alignment, you end up being able to
Speaker 1: do that as your day shifts and changes. So if
Speaker 1: there's anxiety, there's stress, you're able to remember, oh wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I just need to bring them both back
Speaker 1: into alignment at a slower pace. That's actually going to
Speaker 1: help me. And so I love that.
Speaker 2: It changes everything. I mean, it's changed my life. It's
Speaker 2: just like the one practice, and I've been really deepening
Speaker 2: my knasal breathing. So I used to and I still
Speaker 2: do a lot of breath work with you know, in
Speaker 2: through the nose, out through the mouth, or just many
Speaker 2: different cycles in series of breath work. But I find
Speaker 2: that almost like the softer just like deep long, slow
Speaker 2: in hell through your nose and then that slow long
Speaker 2: deep axcel out through my nose. Wow, Like just like
Speaker 2: the subtlety of just like dropping in de dire and
Speaker 2: like really breathing into all of your diaphragm.
Speaker 1: Yes, like yeah, And sometimes if it helps people, I
Speaker 1: always say, put your left harm on your stomach, and
Speaker 1: when you breathe in, feel your stomach come out, and
Speaker 1: when you breathe out, feel your stomach go in. That's
Speaker 1: how you know that you're doing it right, if there
Speaker 1: is a right. And that definitely helps for sure, because
Speaker 1: we're all breathing up here in our chest and our heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can breathe in when you're
Speaker 1: using that part of your body. So I'll usually start
Speaker 1: with that. The second form of meditation that I love
Speaker 1: is visualization, and I practice this almost on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: And the reason this is so important to me is
Speaker 1: because I think today when we think about visualization, people
Speaker 1: think about visualizing the result or success or the podium
Speaker 1: or where we want to be, and those things are beautiful,
Speaker 1: but that's that's not what I'm doing. What I'm visualizing
Speaker 1: is the process to get there. So I'll visualize what
Speaker 1: I have in my day. So I knew I was
Speaker 1: going to see you today, I knew I was going
Speaker 1: to see a few other people today, and I'll visualize
Speaker 1: meeting that person. If I've seen them before, I'll visualize
Speaker 1: them in my mind's eye. If I've never seen them before,
Speaker 1: I'll visualize wherever I'm going a bit more generically, and
Speaker 1: I visualize how I want to show up. I don't
Speaker 1: visualize how successful it is. I don't visualize it being
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever done. I visualize how I
Speaker 1: want to show up, what energy I want to walk
Speaker 1: in with. Because I find what you're doing is almost
Speaker 1: a dress rehearsal in your mind, but you don't get
Speaker 1: to do that in life. Life isn't a dress rehearsal.
Speaker 1: You have to live it in real time. It's always live,
Speaker 1: and when you're living, always live, you can kind of
Speaker 1: just run from one thing to the next. So when
Speaker 1: I visualize my day, I get to already live there
Speaker 1: with that person the way I on to. So when
Speaker 1: I walk through that door, I'm living in that space.
Speaker 1: So I've had the time to rehearse, I've had the
Speaker 1: time to prepare myself. I've had the time to prime myself,
Speaker 1: to set my intention of who I want to be
Speaker 1: and how I want to show up. And now I
Speaker 1: don't leave a space thinking I wish I said that.
Speaker 1: I wish I wasn't so rushed when I walked in.
Speaker 1: I wish all those regrets that we have, all those
Speaker 1: things we should have done, could have done, would have done.
Speaker 1: You've tested them out in your rehearsal, and you may
Speaker 1: not deliver them perfectly as you did in your rehearsal,
Speaker 1: but there's a presence, there's a priming. And I find
Speaker 1: that that takes like three minutes to do, but it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. I'll do it before I
Speaker 1: go on stage. I'll do it before an interview, I'll
Speaker 1: do it before a meeting, I'll do it before a presentation.
Speaker 1: So this is something I recommend everyone does. And you're
Speaker 1: just visualizing where am I going to stand, how am
Speaker 1: I going to walk on? What do I want to
Speaker 1: be thinking about when I walk on? And I found
Speaker 1: this to be especially useful for things you find different.
Speaker 1: I remember a few years ago a client of mine
Speaker 1: said to me, tomorrow, we're going skydiving. And this was
Speaker 1: at a point in my life where I never ever
Speaker 1: wanted to go skydiving, and I didn't want to look
Speaker 1: like a chicken, so I said yes, I said sure,
Speaker 1: we'll go skydiving tomorrow. I felt the peer pressure and
Speaker 1: I said succumb to it.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: That day I watched videos of people skydiving, and I
Speaker 1: watched on YouTube. Now you can search everything, so I'm
Speaker 1: watching people going up in the plane and jumping out,
Speaker 1: and every time in my visualization.
Speaker 2: I felt sick. I literally felt it in my stone.
Speaker 2: I can't read yeah, and I literally experienced it.
Speaker 1: And what I found is on the seventh time of
Speaker 1: visualizing it, I didn't feel sick again. And the next
Speaker 1: day when I went up in the plane and jumped
Speaker 1: on the plane, I didn't feel sick at all, because
Speaker 1: you've primed your body through visualization to have that experience.
Speaker 1: When you look at the best athletes in the world.
Speaker 1: I had the honor of interviewing with Hamilton, who drives
Speaker 1: a car at like one hundred and eighty miles per
Speaker 1: hour or whatever it is. He visualizes the night before
Speaker 1: not winning and being on the podium and lifting a trophy.
Speaker 1: He visualizes taking each turn. He visualizes how fast he's
Speaker 1: moving in that moment. He visualizes how it feels in
Speaker 1: his body when he takes a turn at a certain speed.
Speaker 1: He's not doing this now. He has a simulator and
Speaker 1: things like that, but he's doing this with his eyes
Speaker 1: closed for years while he's training. When you look at
Speaker 1: David Beckham, who scored so many iconic goals in his career,
Speaker 1: he would visualize kicking a ball in a specific way
Speaker 1: so that it curves in a perfect way so that
Speaker 1: it hits the top corner of the goal. He's not
Speaker 1: just visualizing winning the game. It's visualizing his process. And
Speaker 1: so I encourage people to visualize how you want to
Speaker 1: wake up. I often ask people visualize and rehearse at
Speaker 1: seven pm the night before, how you want to wake up.
Speaker 2: So go through your morning.
Speaker 1: So imagine it's seven am, five am, six am, whatever
Speaker 1: time you want to wake up. When you wake up,
Speaker 1: what do you want to feel when your feet hit
Speaker 1: the floor. Maybe your bedroom floor is too hard and
Speaker 1: you actually want a nice cushy rug to make you
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable. Maybe you want your slippers right there.
Speaker 1: Maybe when you walk outside you actually going to Every
Speaker 1: day you convince yourself not to work out because your
Speaker 1: workout clothes are not already ready, your sneakers are not
Speaker 1: already ready placed to the door that you're going to
Speaker 1: guard to the gym. If you rehearse that before in
Speaker 1: your visualization in the night before or even a week before,
Speaker 1: you're now primed to know how your mind's going to
Speaker 1: trip you up at every step.
Speaker 2: I'm so here, right, yeah, So you can use it
Speaker 2: for anything. So I'll do that with clients.
Speaker 1: I'll literally walk through their morning routine with them at
Speaker 1: night or the day before or the week before, and go,
Speaker 1: what are you going to wish was there? What is
Speaker 1: your mind going to say when you're in the bathroom
Speaker 1: brushing your teeth. Let's write a post it note that
Speaker 1: tells you the exact opposite so that you can prime
Speaker 1: your mind for it, because we can train on mind.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah. I was so like what you just
Speaker 2: did for me, because we all have our process right,
Speaker 2: and I think like this is the beauty of these
Speaker 2: moments to be able to connect with people who just
Speaker 2: make you think differently. That's what I think life is
Speaker 2: all about, and surrounding yourself with someone who just gives
Speaker 2: you that, Like you just gave me so much inspiration
Speaker 2: for even just like before the podcast, I think before
Speaker 2: speaking is a big one. I always say a prayer
Speaker 2: and I get really really grounded in myself and I
Speaker 2: find that that helps me move with love. It helps
Speaker 2: me move literally like with my heart and I just
Speaker 2: I felt like what you just painted because it was
Speaker 2: so vivid for me. That can help you just set
Speaker 2: it up in a way where like you don't have
Speaker 2: to be so scared of it. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 2: like waking up the next that's like a big thing
Speaker 2: for people. Like getting out of it. I think that's
Speaker 2: the hardest thing in the world for people to master,
Speaker 2: is getting out of bed earlier than you want to.
Speaker 1: And you have to rehearse here when you're not getting up,
Speaker 1: because when you're doing it in the moment you're getting up,
Speaker 1: your mind's going to beat you because everything you didn't
Speaker 1: spot because you didn't rehearse is now going to come
Speaker 1: at you, whether it's the thought in your head. So
Speaker 1: the first thought in your head is I'm going to snooze, right,
Speaker 1: remove the ability to snooze. Keep your alarm clock on
Speaker 1: the other side of the room. Now you knew that
Speaker 1: the night before, so you set up so the next
Speaker 1: morning you had to wake up to turn it off. Right,
Speaker 1: So you figure that out, so you're not losing in
Speaker 1: the morning to your mind. You're actually winning and owning
Speaker 1: your mind and getting that. So that's my second practice
Speaker 1: of visualizing. And then the third practice, which is the
Speaker 1: longest part of my practice, is montral meditation, which is
Speaker 1: the repetition of sacred sound, and so in the Vaders
Speaker 1: and the teachings of the East, sacred sounds are considered
Speaker 1: to have frequency and potency to connect you to your
Speaker 1: higher self, to connect you to source, to connect you
Speaker 1: to God and Divinity, and those names, those words, they're
Speaker 1: almost like affirmations. They just happen to be in Sanskrit,
Speaker 1: which is an ancient Indian language, one of the oldest
Speaker 1: languages in the world, if not the most, And that
Speaker 1: connects you back to the beginning of creation. So when
Speaker 1: you think about when we hear the word orm, which
Speaker 1: everyone's so familiar with today, orm is considered the starting
Speaker 1: syllable of the universe. It's considered to be the first
Speaker 1: ever sound that existed. And so when you're chanting that mantra,
Speaker 1: which many people do, that mantra reconnects you to that inception,
Speaker 1: to that beginning, to that moment. And so there's a
Speaker 1: The way I like people to think about it is
Speaker 1: when you hear certain music, it makes you dance. When
Speaker 1: you hear certain music, it makes you cry. When you
Speaker 1: hear sen music, it makes you nostalgic. Sound takes you back,
Speaker 1: and sound reveals images. When you hear a song, you
Speaker 1: can remember a party you're at, you can remember a
Speaker 1: moment you shared with your partner, the moment your child
Speaker 1: was born. Whatever that sound does. So when you speak
Speaker 1: or listen, you can then visualize, you can see, you
Speaker 1: can experience, and the name is the beginning of that.
Speaker 1: And so I'll practice mantra. Meditation is the core part
Speaker 1: of my practice.
Speaker 2: And you say, like it will breathe is it internal?
Speaker 2: It's it's loud enough so that I can hear it.
Speaker 2: So you're putting a sound down, Oh no, I'll.
Speaker 1: Repeat it with my own Okay, yeah, I'll repeat it
Speaker 1: with my own lips. And it can be different names
Speaker 1: there's so many different names. In our tradition of Krishna
Speaker 1: is the name for the divine, which is the name
Speaker 1: of the all attractive. Rama means the reservoir of all pleasure,
Speaker 1: which is another name for the divine. And so these
Speaker 1: all beautiful names that could be repeated and that connect
Speaker 1: you to that. And what you're basically saying is use
Speaker 1: me in your service. That's the request of the prayer
Speaker 1: is use me in your service, use me to do
Speaker 1: your work, make me a true vessel and instrument in
Speaker 1: your hand, and allow me to experience you every moment
Speaker 1: of every day. And that's the real request and the
Speaker 1: real intention behind it.
Speaker 2: Have you visualized yourself before you got to where you
Speaker 2: are today? Like, have you known that this was going
Speaker 2: to be your power and your strength?
Speaker 1: I hope this helps when I say other people, because
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had different moments in my life
Speaker 1: where I had different dreams, but I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever believed it was possible. And what I'm living today
Speaker 1: is so far beyond my imagination. Is what made me
Speaker 1: realize that there is a far great plan for each
Speaker 1: of us than we even know. And you think your
Speaker 1: plan is good and that's your biggest mistake. Our biggest
Speaker 1: mistake is that we think our plan is good, and
Speaker 1: so we hold on tightly to our plan, and when
Speaker 1: life doesn't go to plan, we think it's going wrong,
Speaker 1: not realizing that there is a far great not realizing
Speaker 1: that there is a far greater, far better, far more
Speaker 1: profound plan that exists for us. But you only get
Speaker 1: it if you let go of yours. So at one point,
Speaker 1: my master plan was to live as a monk for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And when I left, it
Speaker 1: was the most embarrassing, humiliating, challenging thing that I had
Speaker 1: been through for myself, because I had told my family
Speaker 1: that this is what I was going to do for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, and my family had warned
Speaker 1: me and said, when you leave, no one's going to
Speaker 1: give you a job. When you leave, it could be
Speaker 1: the worst decision you ever made. You're going to waste
Speaker 1: three years of your life. You're going to be behind
Speaker 1: everyone else, whatever it is. And when I left, I
Speaker 1: felt that all of that was true. When I left,
Speaker 1: I was rejected from forty companies. No one would give
Speaker 1: me an interview, let alone a job, because surprise, surprise,
Speaker 1: who wants to hire a form a monk, like what
Speaker 1: are your transferable stylis?
Speaker 2: Like sitting still or being silent?
Speaker 1: You know if I would love to Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to come and work with you, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: an option. Like companies in twenty thirteen were not thinking
Speaker 1: about this. So when I came out, it almost felt
Speaker 1: that everything those people said when I went in was
Speaker 1: true and I had to sit with that and reconfigured that.
Speaker 1: And so I hope it helps people to realize that
Speaker 1: I didn't have.
Speaker 2: This vision for myself.
Speaker 1: So even if you don't have a vision for your
Speaker 1: great self right now, it doesn't mean it's not possible.
Speaker 1: And I don't want you to think you have to
Speaker 1: dream big or think big in order to kick it off.
Speaker 1: I would actually suggest you just started small. When I
Speaker 1: started this, I was grateful if two people showed up.
Speaker 1: And that's what it was like for many, many years.
Speaker 1: When I did my first ever talk, zero people showed up,
Speaker 1: and then the second time I did it, zero people
Speaker 1: showed up, and I just practiced my talk in an
Speaker 1: empty room. And then the third time I did it,
Speaker 1: two people showed up, and then the fourth time was ten.
Speaker 1: And for years, in my life. Ten years before I
Speaker 1: ever made a video, the largest audience I potentially had
Speaker 1: was if I was lucky one hundred. And that was
Speaker 1: incredible to me. That was mind blowing, Like that was
Speaker 1: so special. It wasn't this feeling of oh, one hundreds
Speaker 1: not enough. And I think that's kind of where we've
Speaker 1: got to now, where you're so overexposed to these numbers
Speaker 1: a million and billion, and you know, tens of millions
Speaker 1: of views and tens of millions of download that you
Speaker 1: don't even have the opportunity to be grateful for ten views.
Speaker 1: I come from a time when I was just grateful
Speaker 1: if one person turned up, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: the universe reciprocates with that. When you're grateful that one
Speaker 1: person turns up, you get the opportunity to serve one hundred,
Speaker 1: You get the opportunity to serve a million. But if
Speaker 1: you're constantly living in my visions bigger, I want more
Speaker 1: for myself. I'm not convinced that that leads to a
Speaker 1: happy and more fulfilled journey. You may lead to success,
Speaker 1: but even today, when I'm speaking to large groups of people,
Speaker 1: I'll often just remember speaking to a group of three
Speaker 1: people in a room, because that's how I want it
Speaker 1: to feel, even if it isn't what I'm isn't my
Speaker 1: reality anymore. I want everyone in that room to feel
Speaker 1: I'm looking right at them and I'm there with them
Speaker 1: because I am. And I could do that in a
Speaker 1: room of three, and so I have to recreate that
Speaker 1: for myself.
Speaker 2: That's so powerful. I when I started it was in
Speaker 2: my living room on my phone, and and to this day,
Speaker 2: every single time I film anything, I still feel that
Speaker 2: that's like, that's where I am, and like I'm still
Speaker 2: connecting to, like, you know, that smaller community at that time,
Speaker 2: because I think when you move through life from this
Speaker 2: true state of appreciation and gratitude for like what it
Speaker 2: is right now, the abundance that comes and I mean
Speaker 2: clearly right it's like looking at what you're doing in
Speaker 2: the world, the guess who you have had these incredible
Speaker 2: conversations with, you know, it's like I would wonder, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is your like, what is your deepest desire? Like,
Speaker 2: what is something that in this moment in your life
Speaker 2: right now is bringing you the most fulfillment.
Speaker 1: My deepest desire genuinely is to use up everything that
Speaker 1: I've been given in the service of others. Like if
Speaker 1: I could just completely completely run dry and empty and
Speaker 1: leave it all, that would be perfect, And that if
Speaker 1: I could use every gift that I've been given in
Speaker 1: the service of others, that would be my deepest joy,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I've been given so much. I'm
Speaker 1: so fortunate, and I feel a responsibility with that. But
Speaker 1: I feel the need to reciprocate with that. And that
Speaker 1: isn't to say my life's been easy or it's been
Speaker 1: a straight path or any of that, for sure, but
Speaker 1: there's a feeling I have of I have a lot
Speaker 1: to give, and I want to be able to give
Speaker 1: it all. And then what's bringing me the greatest joy
Speaker 1: right now? I mean nothing brings me the greater join
Speaker 1: than being with my wife. I love her, She's just
Speaker 1: love her. Yeah, my wife is like I she is joy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's joy personified.
Speaker 1: And so any moment I get to see her smile
Speaker 1: or get to hang out with her or get to
Speaker 1: just you know, be with her, that's like magic. And
Speaker 1: I'm lucky because yeah, it's just she's she's always like that,
Speaker 1: and she hates when I say that I'm not always
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like no, you are. To me at
Speaker 1: least I have more mood swings than you do. And
Speaker 1: she's just yeah, she's just so steady in her joy
Speaker 1: and she works for it. It's not she she has practices,
Speaker 1: she has habits, she has everything else. Like, it's definitely
Speaker 1: comes from her amazing parents and upbringing and everything, but
Speaker 1: it also comes from her investment in wanting to do that.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, anytime I'm with her, I feel it
Speaker 1: gives me the greatest joy. From a work point of view,
Speaker 1: I get the greatest joy from constantly trying to see
Speaker 1: what's possible.
Speaker 2: I live in this.
Speaker 1: I live in this ultimate realm of possibility because I
Speaker 1: come from, as I said earlier, not believing anything was possible,
Speaker 1: to now living like, well, let me see what's And
Speaker 1: so I get the greatest joy from trying things that
Speaker 1: are so far on my comfort zone, that are so
Speaker 1: far reaching, that are things that I only could have
Speaker 1: dreamt off once upon a time, or maybe wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have dreamt off. And now I'm like, well, it's all
Speaker 1: bonus world. Like when people say to me like, oh,
Speaker 1: don't you're just A'm you happy with what you're doing?
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I love what I'm doing. But there's
Speaker 1: more to give, and there's more to experience, and there's
Speaker 1: more to live, and so why not. And it's not safe,
Speaker 1: it's risky and everything else, but I love it.
Speaker 2: That's what life's for. Like, it's fine, Yeah, it's fuge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love feeling nervous. Yeah, it's the best feeling in
Speaker 2: the world. And you're like, I don't like. Someone's like,
Speaker 2: but what if? And you're like, but why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Didn't try it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you don't feel that the start, And that's fine.
Speaker 1: Like at the start, you're just like, all right, I
Speaker 1: just need to start small than figure it out. But
Speaker 1: then once you've done that, I think you have to
Speaker 1: get to a point where you just go, well, now
Speaker 1: let's just give everything a go, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what beautiful answers. I love your wife. She
Speaker 2: is such a radiant being. I've never met her, but
Speaker 2: I know you guys would love each other, love each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys are definitely.
Speaker 1: I feel I want you both to me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want you both to meet each other and be friends.
Speaker 1: I think be great friends.
Speaker 2: We need to the last time she was here, we
Speaker 2: we our schedules, can connect, but we will, We'll make
Speaker 2: you'll make it happen. Yes, I would like to have.
Speaker 2: But that's just so beautiful. I mean, it's at the
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's all about the
Speaker 2: love that we have in our life and the love
Speaker 2: that we have to share, and the love that we
Speaker 2: have to give, and the love that we experience with
Speaker 2: the people closest to us. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you wrote an entire book on the lessons of love.
Speaker 2: Can you just give us You've been with your wife
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 3: We've been together for twelve years and married for nine.
Speaker 2: It's a long time through marriage and just you know,
Speaker 2: I think the longevity of being with someone for so
Speaker 2: like it's like you you start, you literally marry so
Speaker 2: many different versions within right. I mean, my husband had
Speaker 2: no idea what he was getting himself into. None. I'm like,
Speaker 2: did you think He's like no, He's like I knew
Speaker 2: there was greatness, but like I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: going to be this great, which is it's a beautiful thing,
Speaker 2: Like how do how do you stay so connected with
Speaker 2: your wife?
Speaker 1: This is reciprocal and mutual and that's why it's so powerful.
Speaker 1: The first is when you love someone, and if someone
Speaker 1: loves you, they never use your wounds against you. So
Speaker 1: they never use your vulnerability as a weapon. So if
Speaker 1: you've opened up to them, they don't.
Speaker 2: Use that to shut you down.
Speaker 1: If you've shared a deep part of yourself, they don't
Speaker 1: expose it in a shallow way. If you've shared your heart,
Speaker 1: they don't treat it harshly. If someone loves you, they
Speaker 1: say to you, I know you told me this was sacred,
Speaker 1: and so I'll hold it gently. And when I think
Speaker 1: about my wife, I can't think of a moment where
Speaker 1: I've felt judged by my wife. And that is so freeing.
Speaker 1: It is the most freeing thing in the world, because
Speaker 1: I think everyone in the world is judging you constantly
Speaker 1: and to not have that at home. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: she doesn't want me to be better. Yeah, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: she doesn't want me to be better at things, or
Speaker 1: doesn't want me to improve, or doesn't challenge me. She
Speaker 1: does all of those things. And she checks me, she
Speaker 1: humbles me, she does all of those things.
Speaker 2: I can see her doing it. Yeah, for sure, she
Speaker 2: roasts me.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anyone I haven't seen any of mine
Speaker 1: in my wife laugh everyone knows she is not scared
Speaker 1: to do any of that, But I never.
Speaker 2: Feel judged by it. Yeah, that's different, and it's different.
Speaker 1: It's different. Judged means I want to change this about you.
Speaker 1: I want to control this about you. I really dislike
Speaker 1: this about you. And it's a pressure that we carry
Speaker 1: in our relationships that pushes someone away, doesn't bring them closer.
Speaker 1: So that's been a big one for me. I've always
Speaker 1: felt that, and then, by the way, it's the same
Speaker 1: for her. I don't judge her either. Another thing that's
Speaker 1: been really beautiful that leads on from that is if
Speaker 1: someone loves you, they won't try to change you. They
Speaker 1: accept everything that you bring. They they may not love everything,
Speaker 1: but they accept it. And what they really try and
Speaker 1: do is they really try and understand how that makes
Speaker 1: you you. So I'll give an example. If I was
Speaker 1: less ambitious, I think I'd be less attractive to my
Speaker 1: wife because she married me because that's who I was,
Speaker 1: that's my drive. Now I'm not saying she's attracted to
Speaker 1: my ambition, but she's attracted to a version of me
Speaker 1: where ambition is core to who I am. So even
Speaker 1: if that's not what she's attracted to that makes me
Speaker 1: who I am. And when I think about my wife,
Speaker 1: family and connection for her are what makes her who
Speaker 1: she is. And so in the first few years of
Speaker 1: our marriage and even now, my wife will take any
Speaker 1: opportunities she can to fly back to London to be
Speaker 1: with her family, and I know that's her number one
Speaker 1: priority and I don't want to change that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to compete with that. I don't want to compare
Speaker 1: that to something else because that's what makes her who
Speaker 1: she is. And I think often in relationships we take
Speaker 1: away what makes our partner the person we first fell
Speaker 1: in love with. We want to change the very thing
Speaker 1: that made them attractive to us in the first place.
Speaker 1: It's like if someone was with you and was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do all this meditation stuff anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just woo woo, Like it doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me. It's like, well, wait a minute, Like
Speaker 1: that's who I am, right, sorry, exactly, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, because that's who you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But if someone just suddenly sprung that on you because
Speaker 1: they're like, well now I'm just tired of hearing about
Speaker 1: it, and it's not enough, and I think everyone's experienced that
Speaker 1: version of that where a part of their identity was
Speaker 1: being questioned or taken away as opposed to being thought about.
Speaker 1: And I think people go through this with their careers
Speaker 1: where you married someone who was a full on career person.
Speaker 2: That's who they are.
Speaker 1: They're not suddenly just going to slow down and shift
Speaker 1: all their priorities. And if you want that, then you
Speaker 1: can't have the other part of it too. That's who
Speaker 1: they are. And so I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: time we get into relationships wanting to change our partners,
Speaker 1: and they get into relationship with us never wanting.
Speaker 2: Us to change. I feel like.
Speaker 1: It's like they're like, please don't change, and you're like,
Speaker 1: please change, and then it's then then you're like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, like why are you trying to change me?
Speaker 2: And they're like, why don't you want to change?
Speaker 1: You know it's and the truth is you're never going
Speaker 1: to change anyone anyway, so why waste your time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, what you said, it was so
Speaker 2: deeply hurtful about your wife, and I feel like with
Speaker 2: me making the like uh oh, I didn't even mean
Speaker 2: to like interrupt that moment because it was so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and you you can really feel that when you're in
Speaker 2: a partnership with someone who has your like your full
Speaker 2: embrace right now. On the flip, everything you just said
Speaker 2: has been me in every single relationship that I've even
Speaker 2: with my husband. I can own that, however, through my
Speaker 2: own transformation and being able to like see my stuff
Speaker 2: and to see that control is something that has always
Speaker 2: stood in the way of everything for me and really
Speaker 2: surrendering to it and like, you know, I'm in wellness.
Speaker 2: I married someone in night life, Like you don't get
Speaker 2: more wholer opposite than this, okay, And you know here
Speaker 2: I am, and I'm like, well, why aren't you meditating?
Speaker 2: And you're staying out so late? And then you do
Speaker 2: have to have these moments where I'm like, well I
Speaker 2: knew this, yes, so what you just said. I wanted
Speaker 2: to change him, he didn't want me to. And then
Speaker 2: then I bought blossom like this butterfly, and I have
Speaker 2: gotten to this place where it's still a daily practice
Speaker 2: of not saying something in that moment because what is
Speaker 2: it that I'm trying to say? Change the way in
Speaker 2: which And I think and know that is why I've
Speaker 2: been with my husband for fifteen years because I've been
Speaker 2: able to recognize that. For a good half of our
Speaker 2: you know, partnership, I was very much fully thought that
Speaker 2: I could just get him in a meditation pose and
Speaker 2: like this is going to be it. Now, the more
Speaker 2: that I let go and I don't nag and I
Speaker 2: don't passive aggressively say things, I used to be like that. Still,
Speaker 2: you know, we still work on the moments where it's
Speaker 2: coming out. He meditated totally. He's doing the things from
Speaker 2: his own free will, and I think that that's like
Speaker 2: the dance right of being the embodiment of what you
Speaker 2: would love to see within others that you love totally.
Speaker 1: Right when I met my wife, My wife has always
Speaker 1: had a great commitment to working out, and when we met,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm mastering the mind.
Speaker 2: I don't really care about the body.
Speaker 1: And she's a dietitian nutritionist, you know, iervadic health counselor.
Speaker 1: Like she's totally about food, nutrients, body like everything. And
Speaker 1: she never made me feel bad that I didn't work out.
Speaker 1: All I saw was someone who worked out five days
Speaker 1: a week, seven days a week, committed to it, invested
Speaker 1: in her mental health, and it was just inspiring, and
Speaker 1: she also presented it to me in a way that
Speaker 1: would reach my goals. So she'd always say to me,
Speaker 1: she said, you really care about being efficient and effective
Speaker 1: and productive. She said if you worked out, you'd be
Speaker 1: so much more productive. Your mind would be on another level.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I'm sold. Like, if it
Speaker 1: can help me do that, then I'm in. And so
Speaker 1: they're working out consistently because I could see why it
Speaker 1: helped me reach my goals, not her goals. And I
Speaker 1: think often when we're encouraging our partners to do something,
Speaker 1: we're like, well, if you meditated, you'd be calm like me,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, you're not calm right now, so
Speaker 1: I don't even believe you. And I feel that happens
Speaker 1: a lot in personal growth and self development, where people
Speaker 1: will say, oh, my partner doesn't meditate and they don't pray,
Speaker 1: and they don't work out, and they don't take care
Speaker 1: of their own health and they don't do all of this,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you just sound like you're complaining
Speaker 1: and nagging, and actually, if you just did it, and
Speaker 1: you did it committedly for yourself, that person is going
Speaker 1: to feel inspired like your husband is, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: seeing him has inspired you in certain ways. It become
Speaker 1: a past right, exactly right, So you've seen that in him,
Speaker 1: and by the way, it's same for me and my
Speaker 1: wife as well. It's not just one way. This happens
Speaker 1: both ways. And so I've become healthier because of my wife.
Speaker 1: I check every ingredient list because of my wife. I
Speaker 1: know so much about health that I didn't because of
Speaker 1: my wife. I work out five times a week because
Speaker 1: of my wife. But she never had to force me
Speaker 1: to do it, and if she did, I probably would
Speaker 1: have been turned away. Because all of us have a
Speaker 1: little kid inside of us that doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: the thing we're told to do. So most of us
Speaker 1: are acting like parents. Our partners end up acting like kids,
Speaker 1: and now we're also playing that role. And by the way,
Speaker 1: what does that do. That takes the love, It takes
Speaker 1: the romance out. It takes the connection out, because now
Speaker 1: you're mirroring parent child, whereas if you just set the example,
Speaker 1: they get to either rise to that or they choose
Speaker 1: when they want to. And now you're partners, and so
Speaker 1: when you're mimicking parent child, you're taking out romance, love attraction, joy,
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that actually made you fall in
Speaker 1: love in the first place.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so true, it's so good. It's real.
Speaker 1: And by the way, of course, like me and my
Speaker 1: wife are passive aggressive, we yeah digs well, like, of
Speaker 1: course we're real, we're human. But judgment I put out
Speaker 1: a very high I feel like your partner has to
Speaker 1: be a safe place where they could be everything they
Speaker 1: need to be in front of you and with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, not that not if it's exploitative, abusive or
Speaker 1: of course, like those are very obvious boundaries. But I
Speaker 1: want to be able to admit my weaknesses to my
Speaker 1: wife and not feel judged for them, you know, like
Speaker 1: that I need that, Like who else am I going
Speaker 1: to go to? Yeah?
Speaker 2: If I can't go to you, where am I going
Speaker 2: to go?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? What are we doing? And I
Speaker 2: think that that's like just a life moment to look
Speaker 2: at with everything that you're doing, by the way, with
Speaker 2: like where you're spending your time, what you're doing for
Speaker 2: your career. If you're not loving it and you're not
Speaker 2: feeling a way that you want to feel, like you
Speaker 2: visualize when you wake up in the morning, then what's
Speaker 2: the point, you know? And it comes with lots of
Speaker 2: odd conversations.
Speaker 1: I've Yeah, I've always said to my wife that I
Speaker 1: never want to live a day without love, and so
Speaker 1: if she ever falls out of love with me, just
Speaker 1: tell me, because I can't aren't bear to live without love.
Speaker 1: It's just not what I've signed up for. I really
Speaker 1: believe I deserve love. I really believe I'm worthy of love,
Speaker 1: and it's something I want to have for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life and I don't want to waste any
Speaker 1: time not feeling it. And it's hard, it's a hard
Speaker 1: conversation to have, but it's real. Yeah, because that's what
Speaker 1: I want in life. I wouldn't It's almost like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't compromise on my career. I wouldn't compromise on that trajectory.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't compromise on anything in that space. So why
Speaker 1: are we doing in love?
Speaker 3: It's like the deepest part of life, it's.
Speaker 2: The meaning of it all. Yeah, Well, Jay, I have
Speaker 2: to say, you know, you meet so many people in
Speaker 2: this space, and you are just one of those humans
Speaker 2: that when you can sit in a room with you
Speaker 2: you know some people it's like and I absolutely love
Speaker 2: everything you're doing, but you like, I'm just like you're
Speaker 2: even better if it could even be like you're just
Speaker 2: so No, I really mean that I loved this conversation
Speaker 2: and whenever I think about a guest and I don't
Speaker 2: even loved outlines and things, because I really wanted to
Speaker 2: be what happened here today, and I think it's just
Speaker 2: better than anything that I could have prepared for planned,
Speaker 2: and you're just so pure and I just love this.
Speaker 1: The same is true for you. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying that because we're here, but you know, when you're
Speaker 1: running around doing lots of this stuff, there's very few
Speaker 1: people that just have the ability to make everything slow down,
Speaker 1: and you do that. And I felt like, sitting with
Speaker 1: you today, I want to do this with you offline
Speaker 1: lots more. Yeah, And I don't know, Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: feel like you were able to create an energetic space
Speaker 1: and force field around today that I've definitely felt just
Speaker 1: being with you here, and it's just such a genuine, sincere,
Speaker 1: calming place to be and I felt so natural and
Speaker 1: comfortable and raw and vulnerable in a healthy way, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful energy that you've crafted and curated here,
Speaker 1: So thank you for doing that, and thank you for
Speaker 1: giving me this opportunity and how lucky are we that
Speaker 1: we get to do this and call it work. And
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who's been listening all the way
Speaker 1: up until now, if you're still listening, because you know
Speaker 1: you give us the opportunity to do this. I feel
Speaker 1: so grateful that people care to listen and care to connect.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I hope this has reminded you that
Speaker 1: your what's planned for you is way greater than your
Speaker 1: plan and sometimes just taking a tiny small step forward
Speaker 1: is enough. Yeah, and that we're all human and still
Speaker 1: figuring it out, me included. I haven't got everything figured
Speaker 1: out and thing's perfect, but just trying to plant more seeds,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm trying to do, and watch out for
Speaker 1: those weeds.
Speaker 2: So beautiful, you planted such a seed in me today.
Speaker 2: You just posted something on Instagram and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: hold on, he's going to fifteen places, And then I
Speaker 2: swiped and you're actually going to how many? Because I
Speaker 2: was like, how are you? Is it fifteen?
Speaker 1: You're right?
Speaker 2: Fifteen? Yeah? Yeah, okay, because I was counting, And then
Speaker 2: I was like, did I get lost? I got doing
Speaker 2: all of this now.
Speaker 1: Two years ago we went on a world tour and
Speaker 1: nearly did forty cities across the world. Forty Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is fifteen across North America and Canada. And I'm so
Speaker 1: excited because I feel like, you know, it's been six
Speaker 1: years of on purpose, millions of people been listening, hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of people who've been listening, and it's I
Speaker 1: feel like we're seeking community in connection right now, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the feeling people are going to have
Speaker 1: that You're going to walk into a room full of
Speaker 1: thousands of people, which can usually be anxiety and do
Speaker 1: you see or challenging, but everyone there is listening to
Speaker 1: the same podcast, and you're going to have something in
Speaker 1: common with everyone sitting next to you. And sometimes that
Speaker 1: doesn't even happen. That doesn't happen in many places. I
Speaker 1: think podcasts are really special in that way that you
Speaker 1: look left and right and we would ask someone what
Speaker 1: was your favorite podcast, and everyone will have an episode
Speaker 1: or a time of the podcast that helped them. And
Speaker 1: the fact that I get to tour the podcast. I'll
Speaker 1: be interviewing fifteen surprise guests in fifteen cities I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for it. So at New York. In New York,
Speaker 1: we're at the theater at MSG.
Speaker 2: I'm coming.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love for you to be there. Definitely,
Speaker 1: please come and join in labor at the Greek Theater.
Speaker 1: And then we're going to Chicago, Vancouver, Toronto, Dallas, Colorado, Miami, Dallas,
Speaker 1: there's Francisco to San Francisco's on the list, Seattle, Chicago, Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there anywhere not coming?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Well I'll try to do more, but we're
Speaker 1: starting with these fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. You're such a powerhouse and I'm excited for
Speaker 2: people to feel this. Yeah, we find to face there's
Speaker 2: just like, what difference is this? It's a vibration, Like
Speaker 2: you leave feeling shifted. I'm excited. I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 2: Congratulations told me to see that I'm coming. I love you.
Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change your life by
Speaker 1: changing your brain.
Speaker 2: They don't do things until someone's mad at them to
Speaker 2: get it done. They need stress in order to get
Speaker 2: stuff done, and that just makes everybody around them stressed.