WEBVTT - Carlos Santana: Supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty five, Carlos Sanbana played live Aid the

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<v Speaker 1>historic benefit concert that was organized to raise aid money

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<v Speaker 1>for the tragic Ethiopian famine.

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<v Speaker 2>Dubbed the Day rock and Roll Changed the World, the

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<v Speaker 2>benefit raised over one hundred million for famine belief across

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<v Speaker 2>the pond. Acts like Queen U two and David Bowie

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<v Speaker 2>played legendary sets at Wembley Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>On the American leg of the benefit in Philadelphia, Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>Santana played the same stage as contemporaries from his heyday

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<v Speaker 1>such as Joan Bias, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young, and

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Clapton, as well as younger artists of the day

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<v Speaker 1>like Duran, Duran and Madonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Close to ninety thousand people attended the concert, and lively

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<v Speaker 2>telecasts drew an estimated TV viewership of one point nine

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<v Speaker 2>billion worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the second era defining live show Carlos Santana

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<v Speaker 1>has played in his lifetime, and the organizer of the

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<v Speaker 1>American leg of the tour is the same promoter who

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<v Speaker 1>gave Carlo his start, Bill Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos is once again taking part in rock and roll history,

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<v Speaker 2>but while Woodstock launched him to start him, Live Aid

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<v Speaker 2>found him approaching the low point in his career.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I didn't even know that he played

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<v Speaker 1>Live Aid, Like it just skipped my mind because I

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<v Speaker 1>only go to Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly same. But I will say maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>were just not listening to the sound, just more the words.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was just distracted by Queen all times.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if Queen's in the building, I'm not paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to anything else. It's just what's happening. But back to Santana.

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<v Speaker 1>Santana's latest studio album at that point, nineteen eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>is Beyond Appearances, was his worst performer yet, and his

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<v Speaker 1>next three studio albums would only continue his slide down

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<v Speaker 1>the charts.

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<v Speaker 2>With Live Aid, Carlos Santana was helping heal the world

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<v Speaker 2>with his music, but the world, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't hearing his music.

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<v Speaker 1>But little does he know that that will all change

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<v Speaker 1>with patience and a bit of spiritual guidance. I'm your

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<v Speaker 1>host Lilianavoscaz.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon a.

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on how

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<v Speaker 1>today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And given the world some extra.

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<v Speaker 1>Leuble Sit back and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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<v Speaker 3>with Whenas, Buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we

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<v Speaker 3>relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find out

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<v Speaker 3>what makes them so iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Santana's work during the eighties may not have left

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<v Speaker 1>much of an impression on audiences, but the projects that

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<v Speaker 1>kept him busy were often personal to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting in nineteen seventy nine, Carlos worked on solo albums

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<v Speaker 2>i e. Under the name Carlos Santana rather than simply Santana.

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<v Speaker 1>Working solo allowed him to freely collaborate with artists like

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<v Speaker 1>Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, and Wayne Shorter. These albums saw

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos delve even further into jazz fusion.

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<v Speaker 2>He also made an excursion into text mix with nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three's Havannah Moon. The album even concludes with collaboration

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<v Speaker 2>between Carlos and his father, Jose.

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<v Speaker 1>The song Veede Tropical is a lushly orchestrated serenade from

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<v Speaker 1>an old Mexican film that Jose used to sing to

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen eighty seven, Carlos would record Blues Versalvabod,

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<v Speaker 2>an album dedicated to his son, which would win him

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<v Speaker 2>his first ever Grammy for Best Rock Instrumental Performance.

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<v Speaker 1>So while it's easy to write off the eighties as

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<v Speaker 1>a wash for Santana the band, for Carlos Santana, you

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<v Speaker 1>could say it was a decade of healing and growth.

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<v Speaker 2>He became a father and continued to engage with his

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<v Speaker 2>spirituality on his own terms, i e. Sans Guru, thank God.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it came to the band that had been

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<v Speaker 1>the vessel for Carlos's fame, Carlos was frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt that he had spent the decade trying to

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<v Speaker 2>appease his label, Columbia Records, by pursuing whichever artistic direction

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<v Speaker 2>they deemed best.

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<v Speaker 1>The synth driven, feel good pop rock of beyond Appearances,

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<v Speaker 1>the classic rock course correction on nineteen eighty seven's Freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>It's an era of flailing and flops.

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<v Speaker 2>So he parted ways with his record label of more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty years and signed to Pollodor in nineteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 1>But Carlos would have to say some more difficult goodbyes

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>His first record for the new label, Milagro, features a

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<v Speaker 2>number of tributes to the deceased.

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<v Speaker 1>The album features Bob Marley and Marvin Gay covers, both

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<v Speaker 1>of whom had passed away the previous day, but.

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<v Speaker 2>The most strongly felt tributes came at the very beginning

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<v Speaker 2>and the very end of the album.

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<v Speaker 1>Milago's first track opens with an early recording of Bill Graham,

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<v Speaker 1>Santana's long time off and on manager, introducing the band

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<v Speaker 1>on stage in the nineteen seventies. Graham had died the

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<v Speaker 1>year before Milago's release in a tragic helicopter accident on

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<v Speaker 1>the way back home from a concert.

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<v Speaker 2>The tracks that closes the album, Avios, is just a

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<v Speaker 2>minute and twenty seconds long, closing out an otherwise lively album.

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<v Speaker 2>It's some sad ass shit.

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<v Speaker 1>The lyrics are simply Avios, Misa, Milos, Avios Astamaniana, Goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, Goodbye until Tomorrow. It closes with the sample

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<v Speaker 1>of Miles Davis playing the saxophone. Davis, another hero of Carlos's,

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<v Speaker 1>had passed away within a month of Bill Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was really sad. I felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>just opens up very emotional and to take it all

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<v Speaker 2>the way to the end. It's just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>turbulent or something. I don't know, it's it can speak

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<v Speaker 2>to you if you're there mentally, and especially if you've

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<v Speaker 2>had a little microdoser too. I love you. Unfortunately, Mila

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<v Speaker 2>gru was Santana's first album to fail to crack the

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<v Speaker 2>top one hundred on Billboard. After that blow, the band

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<v Speaker 2>took a break from recording.

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<v Speaker 1>The next release, Sacred Fire, was a live album compiled

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<v Speaker 1>from the group's live performances in Mexico. Released in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three. The album is dedicated to another hero of Carlos's,

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<v Speaker 1>says IV Chavis, the agriculture workers rights leader who died

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that year.

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<v Speaker 2>With his heroes falling all around him, Carlos looked for

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration within and then the great beyond. Okay, Leana, question

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<v Speaker 2>for the ask away, if you could pick one deceased,

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<v Speaker 2>famous person, artist, whoever to have a conversation with for

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<v Speaker 2>two hours, who would it be? Oh God, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, you're gonna be still, thought Jerry. I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, I'm not. I'm really not. I actually would

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<v Speaker 1>really love to speak with Carl Lagerfeld, whoa only because

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting how the people that have run Chanelle have

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<v Speaker 1>so much controversy around them, including Coco herself. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fodder and and rumor, and I just find

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<v Speaker 1>him so fascinating And he was always on my bucket

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<v Speaker 1>list of people that I thought I would interview in

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<v Speaker 1>my lifetime, just because I've had the opportunity to interview

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<v Speaker 1>so many incredible designers and I never got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to interview Karl. And I think that if I got

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<v Speaker 1>two hours with Carl, I'd probably never forget the two

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<v Speaker 1>hours of the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>For the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just like a famous designer, less of like

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, global icon luminary, but just somebody very

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<v Speaker 1>niche to me, who I think is just fascinating and

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<v Speaker 1>also quite scary. So it would be a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>challenge on a personal level as well. What about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I love that answer so much. Mine is just because

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<v Speaker 2>this is the very first person that I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I never wanted to be a celebrity makeup artist. It

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of happened. But someone that I really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to work with my whole life just because it's who

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<v Speaker 2>I looked up to. It was Brittany Murphy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be a celebrity makeup artist just so

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<v Speaker 2>I can fucking do Brittany Murphy's makeup. That's all. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I wanted. I moved to New York and boom wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to chat with her. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to chat with her about her life, like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get to know her. And I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>you know why. I was so so so drawn to her,

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone's like, out of anyone, I've just what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to Brittany Murphy?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, ansoy energetically, you're just attracted to who you were

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<v Speaker 1>attracted to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, okay, Well, Leleana, what if I told

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<v Speaker 2>you that on Carlos Santana's fifty second birthday he was

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<v Speaker 2>visited by the coast of Miles Davis for two hours?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, can ghosts actually play instruments? Like did

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Davis have a little trumpet? Was there trumpet in

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<v Speaker 1>the room? Like why is he showing up if there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a trumpet?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think he was celebrating his fifty second birthday

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<v Speaker 2>as Santana. Would you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying true, true, true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, according to Carlos, the two of them just hung

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<v Speaker 2>out and chatted.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gotcha. Yes, I believe in a way that Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>could have spoken to Miles Davis for two hours on

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you believe it was actually Miles Davis?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know what, Let's just leave the

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<v Speaker 1>dead bee and get back to telling the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the story with Santana.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good call. According to Carlos, Miles Davis isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>only spirit from Beyond to have paid him a visit.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also stated that spirits have win on offers he's

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<v Speaker 2>received to play for popes and presidents.

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<v Speaker 1>For all we know, he asked John Lennon and Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Hendrix whether he should play Live Aid. It's to say

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos takes a ton of stock in his heroes, living

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<v Speaker 1>or Dot.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the nineteen nineties, many of Carlos's biggest heroes

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<v Speaker 2>had passed on, making the spirits his most trusted advisors.

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<v Speaker 1>At his home in San Rafael, California, Carlos Santana had

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<v Speaker 1>developed a regular meditation practice and the little annex separate

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<v Speaker 1>from the main house.

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<v Speaker 2>This annex, which he dubs the church, is where Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>retreats to commune with the beyond and to play the

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<v Speaker 2>guitar without disturbing the family.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's where on a quiet night in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos enters a deep meditation and is visited by the

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<v Speaker 1>angel Metatron.

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<v Speaker 2>Medatron is an angel mentioned in Jewish and Islamic scriptures,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as in mystical practices such as Kabbala and Stuphism.

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<v Speaker 2>There's even obscure text that named Metatron as an angel

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<v Speaker 2>that led the Jews out of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Desert, and Metatron would just so happen to be the

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<v Speaker 1>figure to lead Carlos Santana out of his own creative desert.

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<v Speaker 2>As Carlos tells it, the angel delivered him a message quote,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be inside the radio frequency for the purpose

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<v Speaker 2>of connecting the molecules with light.

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<v Speaker 1>With this news, the angel also instructed Carlos to be patient, gracious,

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<v Speaker 1>and grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>To Carlos, Metatron's message is a clear one. He will

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<v Speaker 2>record a new album that will once again bring his

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<v Speaker 2>music to the radio for the purpose of connecting the

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<v Speaker 2>masses to the spiritual message he had now received and invigorated.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos shares the news with his wife, Deborah, whom Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>credits as his most trusted business advisor at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>She encourages him to meet with the president of aris

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<v Speaker 1>To Records, Clive Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Clive Davis just so happens to be the same executive

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<v Speaker 2>who signed Santana to Columbia Records back in the sas seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos feels pregnant with a masterpiece of joy in his belly.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a direct quote. I did not make that up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, I know right.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, he cuts ties with Polydor Records and sets up

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<v Speaker 1>that meeting with Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Each night leading up to the meeting, during his nightly meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos chance for Davis twenty seven times.

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<v Speaker 1>When they finally meet in a Los Angeles hotel room,

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<v Speaker 1>Clive Davis gets very close to Carlos's face and asks,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Carlos Santana want to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos repeats the words of the Angel Metatron quote, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to reconnect the molecules with light and instead of

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<v Speaker 2>slamming the door in Carlos's face. Davis continues to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Carlos.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos convinces Davis that he isn't stuck in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>and Davis resolves to find hit songs that will put

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<v Speaker 1>Santana back on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little less cut and dry than that. There's

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<v Speaker 2>competing interests from other labels and the always spandy Emi,

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<v Speaker 2>But in the end, Santana signs with Arista Records, with

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos feeling that he's in a safe hands with.

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<v Speaker 1>Davis and he's kind of right with Davis at the helm.

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<v Speaker 1>On the label side, Carlos has access to Grammy winning

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<v Speaker 1>hit makers like Casey Porter, The Dust Brothers, Dante Ross,

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<v Speaker 1>and John Gamble.

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<v Speaker 2>The approach to this new album will be a bit

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the hit making formula of the first Santana record,

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<v Speaker 2>half instrumentals and half radio ready pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Sings, but the radio environment of the late nineties means

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<v Speaker 1>that these songs need recognizable vocals to become hits.

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<v Speaker 2>Enter Matchbuck twenties, Rob Thomas, do you remember, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you had it. Do you remember how big

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<v Speaker 2>of a hit this was at the time? Smooth hit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there's lots of hits, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this thing not leave the airways. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>a complete and total earworm, Like you couldn't stop singing it,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't stop hearing it. Everyone was playing it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also timing wise, like for me, it was like what

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<v Speaker 1>we needed at the time, like that fusion between rock

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<v Speaker 1>and la. I don't know it was. It had been

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<v Speaker 1>missing for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny you say that because I would

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<v Speaker 2>hear it and I would change it just because I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know, hold On, don't get kind of Santana.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, but I just didn't like how it started,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't like the very loud, long beginnings of

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<v Speaker 2>those songs. But while that was going on, do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the timeframe I was listening to like No Scrubs,

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to the Heartbreak Hotel, Like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>those songs being on at the same time that this

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<v Speaker 2>song was on, and every time I would hear it,

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<v Speaker 2>I would change it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the late nineties for music were like such

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<v Speaker 1>a mood like these kids today. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>you call what you listen to, but like it was

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<v Speaker 1>such it was such a vibes like we had no scrubs,

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<v Speaker 1>we had like Janet Jackson, like OI match, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it was just but yes, I very much

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<v Speaker 1>remember hearing this song. I remember like driving. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I graduated maybe the year before the song came out,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like a very transitional emotional year for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved it. It's like it's I considered this

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<v Speaker 1>song to be one of the songs of like the

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<v Speaker 1>soundtrack to My Life.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa whoa fuck Okay, whoa?

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<v Speaker 1>And not only was it everywhere, but it topped the

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<v Speaker 1>charge for twelve consecutive weeks after being leaked on the

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<v Speaker 1>radio on June first, nineteen ninety nine. This was Santana's

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<v Speaker 1>very first number one single, and smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>Kicked off a parade of hit singles put Your Lights On, Maria,

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<v Speaker 2>Maria Guarason, Espinavo, Love of My Life, and Prima Venna.

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<v Speaker 1>And While this collection of singles featured a revolving door

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<v Speaker 1>of vocalists from Dave Matthews to White Club Show On,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Santana's guitar was the instantly recognizable constant.

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<v Speaker 2>Santana had been one of the defining artists of the

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<v Speaker 2>seventies and now he was helping to define the pop

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<v Speaker 2>music that closed out the nights.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos had come of age during the Summer of Love,

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<v Speaker 1>but nineteen ninety nine was the Summer of Santana. And

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<v Speaker 1>side note, nearly two decades later, we would flash back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Summer of Santana with DJ Khaled and Rihanna's

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<v Speaker 1>Wild Thoughts, which heavily sample Santana's Madia Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>All in all, Supernatural, the album we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this whole time, would reach number one in eleven countries.

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<v Speaker 1>In the US, it was number one for twelve weeks

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<v Speaker 1>straight and as of today, is fifteen times platinum and.

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<v Speaker 2>Nat the Grammy's Santana broke a record held by Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson's Thriller for most awards won in a single night.

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<v Speaker 2>Supernatural one nine honors, including Album of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, which Carlos Santana was the first Latino to ever win.

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<v Speaker 2>Supernatural is one of the best selling albums of all

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<v Speaker 2>time worldwide full stop, at an estimated thirty million copies

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<v Speaker 2>as of today. So, if Carlos's mission was to reconnect

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<v Speaker 2>molecules with the light, and there are several trillion molecules

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<v Speaker 2>in each human body, and Santana sold thirty million copies

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<v Speaker 2>of super Natural.

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<v Speaker 1>That means that means wait, wait, wait, wait, what does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That our boy is eating honey?

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you're trying to say is that Santana

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<v Speaker 1>had not only returned to stardom, but had multiplied his

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<v Speaker 1>stardom several times over. If Woodstock brought him to the mountaintop,

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<v Speaker 1>Supernatural sent him soaring over the Milky Way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for us to say whether these unfathomable heights

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<v Speaker 2>were part of the vision that was beamed to him

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<v Speaker 2>by the angel Metatron, but sufficed to say this renaissance

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<v Speaker 2>had cemented Carlos Santana's icon status for good.

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<v Speaker 1>Santana had rocketed back to stardom off the back of

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<v Speaker 1>Savvi production and collaborations with chart topping vocalists. Carlos went

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<v Speaker 1>on to repeat this formula with his follow up to

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<v Speaker 1>Supernatural two thousand and two's Chaman.

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<v Speaker 2>Santana again topped the charts with the singles Game of

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<v Speaker 2>Love featuring Michelle Branch, We Love Her and why Don't You?

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<v Speaker 2>And I featuring Chad Kroger.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the majority of the track lists on the

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<v Speaker 1>album featured artists from Macy Gray to Palasi do Domingo.

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<v Speaker 1>This approach would be the defining feature for Santana's catalog

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>Ending with twenty fourteens Guarason, which features a more Latin

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<v Speaker 2>pop oriented cast of featured artists such as Lories Stefan,

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<v Speaker 2>Miguel Pipo, Romeo Santos and more.

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<v Speaker 1>As singles like Game of Love became radio mainstays, so

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<v Speaker 1>too did Carlo says unmistakable guitar sound. True to his word,

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<v Speaker 1>he had proven that he was not stuck in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, his guitar became one of the most characteristically distinctive

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of pop in the yants.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, if you were a longtime Santana fan, this

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<v Speaker 1>new iteration of the band may not have scratched a

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<v Speaker 1>certain itch for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Michelle Branch and Chad Kroeger are great and all,

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<v Speaker 2>But think of the sweaty crowd of half a million

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<v Speaker 2>half naked music fans during Woodstock and Carlos on stage

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<v Speaker 2>with this electric snake.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the longtimers would soon be in for a treat.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty sixteen, Carlos would reunite with the bandmates he

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<v Speaker 1>had both Soared and Tumbled with Neil Sean, Greg Rowley,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Schreb and Michael Carabello.

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<v Speaker 2>The band had reunited once before, in nineteen ninety eight

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<v Speaker 2>for their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, the

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<v Speaker 2>year before Supernatural was released.

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<v Speaker 1>The band played Black Magic Woman, and in his induction speech,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos thanked his family, his bandmates Bill Graham and Clive Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>and he gave props to his Latino musical forebears, starting

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<v Speaker 1>with Richie Vallens.

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<v Speaker 2>The band played well together, but they didn't entertain the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of recording another album. However, in the following years,

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<v Speaker 2>Neil Shown, the guitarist who joined the band as a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager and then soon left to form a Journey, repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>ran into Carlos in the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean was keen on the idea of getting the band

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<v Speaker 1>back together, and he mentioned it to Carlos each and

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<v Speaker 1>every time he saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos said that everywhere he went, Shown was there, and

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<v Speaker 2>that quote his eyes became very vulnerable, very egoists, every

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<v Speaker 2>time he mentioned the reunion.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, perhaps moved by shown sincerity, Carlos invited Sewn

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<v Speaker 1>to his rehearsal space in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Shown thought he and Carlos were having a meeting to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss the possible reunion, but instead he arrived to find

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<v Speaker 2>the whole band warming up. Carlos said to him, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the meeting the reunion was on.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos says quote. It was magical. We didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>try to force the vibe. It was immense. The band

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<v Speaker 1>essentially picked up right where they left off, as indicated

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<v Speaker 1>by the title of the resulting album, Santana four.

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<v Speaker 2>The cover of Santana four features a psychedelic depiction of

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<v Speaker 2>a growling tiger's face, a psyched out throwback to the

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<v Speaker 2>band's debut album cover, which featured a snarling line.

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<v Speaker 1>The opening track puts us firmly in classic Santana territory

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<v Speaker 1>with the pounding drum and a call to Yamaya, the

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<v Speaker 1>mother of all Rishas.

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<v Speaker 2>The album even features a track named after the venue

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<v Speaker 2>where these musicians found each other, Fillmore East.

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<v Speaker 1>In a review for All Music, Tom Jurek writes, there

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<v Speaker 1>remains a real musical connection and share joy between these players.

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<v Speaker 1>They may not sound young, radical, or reckless, but they

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<v Speaker 1>do come off as if they've never stopped playing and

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<v Speaker 1>discovering together. Here's the deal with going back to I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to say an ex but it's effectively an X

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<v Speaker 1>right with a band. I do think that despite whatever

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<v Speaker 1>drama happened or whatever shit went down, like, it does

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<v Speaker 1>not diminish the greatness that existed, right, Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that. I feel like, yes, it could have been

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<v Speaker 1>like a shitty end to something, or there might have

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<v Speaker 1>been something really big that happened, but it doesn't take

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<v Speaker 1>away of the greatness or in this case, like the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible legacy that they left behind as a band. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that because Santana is so spiritual. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of work on himself. His bandmates probably

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot of work on themselves, and ultimately, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you have two people that both do the work

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<v Speaker 1>and come back together and are like, hey, let's try again,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's okay, right, I mean, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that is the ultimate sign of growth.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, I think it's because you just remember the life.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to be all psychedelics in sixties because it's antenna,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just remember the love that you have for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of what brings you back again, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you've done the work, You've been able to let

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<v Speaker 2>go of the old demons and just really be present

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<v Speaker 2>and focus on why you guys love doing what you did,

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<v Speaker 2>and all egos and all that shit aside. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like like, for me, I had a falling

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<v Speaker 2>out with a hairstylist who was a really close friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine. Yet every time we would work together, I

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<v Speaker 2>could drop the fact that we were upset with each

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<v Speaker 2>other and just really work beautifully together and ping pong

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<v Speaker 2>ideas where it would just be collaborative again. But because

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<v Speaker 2>we love what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that makes I think that makes perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you can always separate the ego from.

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<v Speaker 2>The projects so much time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're still learning it, We're all still learning. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly what brought them together, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's why they were able to kind of put

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<v Speaker 1>all of the drama behind them. Thankfully they did, because

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<v Speaker 1>we got them back.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Santana had set out to reconnect the molecules with

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<v Speaker 1>the light, and over the course of his journey, he

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<v Speaker 1>reconnected and found healing with his former bandmates and reinvigorated

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<v Speaker 1>himself as an artist.

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<v Speaker 2>But Santana's next album, twenty nineteen's Africa Speaks, would see

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos again assembling a new lineup. This time around, Carlo's

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>sense of purpose drove him to foreground the sounds of

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<v Speaker 2>the African continent and let the album serve as a

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle for black vocalists.

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<v Speaker 1>So he invited British singer Laura Mavola and Spanish singer Boyka.

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<v Speaker 1>Produced by Rick Rubin, the album was a critical and

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<v Speaker 1>commercial success.

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<v Speaker 2>Two years later, however, Santan would release a follow up

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<v Speaker 2>that returned to the feature heavy formula of nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine's Supernatural.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty one's Blessings and Miracles featured performers such as

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Stapleton, Fifth Harmony's Ally Brook and once again Matchbox

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<v Speaker 1>two Rob Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>When asked about the shift in direction, Carlos pointed to

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the global pandemic. He felt that people needed hope and courage.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on to say that the album title comes

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<v Speaker 1>from his belief that we're born with heavenly powers that

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<v Speaker 1>allow us to create blessings and miracles, and that music

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<v Speaker 1>is one such heavenly power.

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<v Speaker 2>For Carlos, the album was quote mystical medicine music to

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<v Speaker 2>heal an infected world of fear and darkness. He felt

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<v Speaker 2>called upon to touch people's hearts. The other radio, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy believes so deeply in the transcendent healing power of music,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sees his own musical voice as a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of medicine or elixir.

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<v Speaker 2>The duality of Santana is jam band versus pop accompanist.

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<v Speaker 2>You have instrumentally focused jazz like trippy odyssey sounds that

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<v Speaker 2>are meant for tuning in, turning on, and dropping out.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, you have these like very

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<v Speaker 1>you know, super accessible, easy to buy to pop right

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<v Speaker 1>where the futured vocalist is the sugar and his guitar

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<v Speaker 1>is the medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Medicine for the soul rather than the body. Because remember

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a man who communes with the spirits

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<v Speaker 2>every noche right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we don't all get our music the way

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<v Speaker 1>that Carlos did when he was growing up, we stream

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<v Speaker 1>rather than turn on the actual radio, we can still

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<v Speaker 1>have that experience of unexpectedly hearing sounds we've never heard before,

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<v Speaker 1>things that change how we think about music, that open

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<v Speaker 1>our minds, heal our souls.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see it one last time. HiT's a groovy scene, man,

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<v Speaker 2>And whether you're a kid in Tijuana in the sixties

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<v Speaker 2>turning a knob on the radio and hearing Richie Allens,

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<v Speaker 2>or a kid today digging up music from years gone

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<v Speaker 2>by on a streaming platform or.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents' old ass CD collection.

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<v Speaker 2>The song remains the same and for Carlos Santana, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a song worth playing every time.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next Becoming an Icon, a reggathon origin story

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<v Speaker 1>from San Juan, Puerto Rico, home of King of Regathon.

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