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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, Carlos Sanbana played live Aid the

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Speaker 1: historic benefit concert that was organized to raise aid money

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Speaker 1: for the tragic Ethiopian famine.

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Speaker 2: Dubbed the Day rock and Roll Changed the World, the

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Speaker 2: benefit raised over one hundred million for famine belief across

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Speaker 2: the pond. Acts like Queen U two and David Bowie

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Speaker 1: On the American leg of the benefit in Philadelphia, Carlos

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Speaker 1: Santana played the same stage as contemporaries from his heyday

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Speaker 1: such as Joan Bias, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young, and

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Speaker 1: Eric Clapton, as well as younger artists of the day

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Speaker 1: like Duran, Duran and Madonna.

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Speaker 2: Close to ninety thousand people attended the concert, and lively

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Speaker 2: telecasts drew an estimated TV viewership of one point nine

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Speaker 2: billion worldwide.

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Speaker 1: This is the second era defining live show Carlos Santana

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Speaker 1: has played in his lifetime, and the organizer of the

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Speaker 1: American leg of the tour is the same promoter who

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Speaker 1: gave Carlo his start, Bill Graham.

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Speaker 2: Carlos is once again taking part in rock and roll history,

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Speaker 2: but while Woodstock launched him to start him, Live Aid

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Speaker 2: found him approaching the low point in his career.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't even know that he played

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Speaker 1: Live Aid, Like it just skipped my mind because I

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Speaker 1: only go to Queen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly same. But I will say maybe we

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Speaker 2: were just not listening to the sound, just more the words.

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Speaker 2: I think I was just distracted by Queen all times.

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Speaker 1: Like if Queen's in the building, I'm not paying attention

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Speaker 1: to anything else. It's just what's happening. But back to Santana.

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Speaker 1: Santana's latest studio album at that point, nineteen eighty five

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Speaker 1: is Beyond Appearances, was his worst performer yet, and his

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Speaker 1: next three studio albums would only continue his slide down

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Speaker 1: the charts.

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Speaker 2: With Live Aid, Carlos Santana was helping heal the world

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Speaker 2: with his music, but the world, for the most part,

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Speaker 2: wasn't hearing his music.

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Speaker 1: But little does he know that that will all change

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Speaker 1: with patience and a bit of spiritual guidance. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host Lilianavoscaz.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon a.

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Speaker 1: Weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on how

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Speaker 1: today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And given the world some extra.

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Speaker 1: Leuble Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 3: Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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Speaker 3: with Whenas, Buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we

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Speaker 3: relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find out

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Speaker 3: what makes them so iconic.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Santana's work during the eighties may not have left

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Speaker 1: much of an impression on audiences, but the projects that

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Speaker 1: kept him busy were often personal to him.

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Speaker 2: Starting in nineteen seventy nine, Carlos worked on solo albums

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Speaker 2: i e. Under the name Carlos Santana rather than simply Santana.

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Speaker 1: Working solo allowed him to freely collaborate with artists like

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Speaker 1: Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, and Wayne Shorter. These albums saw

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Speaker 1: Carlos delve even further into jazz fusion.

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Speaker 2: He also made an excursion into text mix with nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty three's Havannah Moon. The album even concludes with collaboration

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Speaker 2: between Carlos and his father, Jose.

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Speaker 1: The song Veede Tropical is a lushly orchestrated serenade from

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Speaker 1: an old Mexican film that Jose used to sing to

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Speaker 2: And in nineteen eighty seven, Carlos would record Blues Versalvabod,

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Speaker 2: an album dedicated to his son, which would win him

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Speaker 2: his first ever Grammy for Best Rock Instrumental Performance.

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Speaker 1: So while it's easy to write off the eighties as

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Speaker 1: a wash for Santana the band, for Carlos Santana, you

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Speaker 1: could say it was a decade of healing and growth.

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Speaker 2: He became a father and continued to engage with his

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Speaker 2: spirituality on his own terms, i e. Sans Guru, thank God.

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Speaker 1: But when it came to the band that had been

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Speaker 1: the vessel for Carlos's fame, Carlos was frustrated.

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Speaker 2: He felt that he had spent the decade trying to

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Speaker 2: appease his label, Columbia Records, by pursuing whichever artistic direction

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Speaker 1: The synth driven, feel good pop rock of beyond Appearances,

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Speaker 2: So he parted ways with his record label of more

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Speaker 1: But Carlos would have to say some more difficult goodbyes

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Speaker 2: His first record for the new label, Milagro, features a

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Speaker 1: The album features Bob Marley and Marvin Gay covers, both

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Speaker 1: of whom had passed away the previous day, but.

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Speaker 2: The most strongly felt tributes came at the very beginning

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Speaker 1: Milago's first track opens with an early recording of Bill Graham,

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Speaker 1: Santana's long time off and on manager, introducing the band

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Speaker 1: on stage in the nineteen seventies. Graham had died the

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Speaker 1: year before Milago's release in a tragic helicopter accident on

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Speaker 2: The tracks that closes the album, Avios, is just a

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Speaker 2: It's some sad ass shit.

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Speaker 1: The lyrics are simply Avios, Misa, Milos, Avios Astamaniana, Goodbye,

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Speaker 1: my friends, Goodbye until Tomorrow. It closes with the sample

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Speaker 1: of Miles Davis playing the saxophone. Davis, another hero of Carlos's,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was really sad. I felt like it

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Speaker 2: the way to the end. It's just kind of like

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Speaker 2: turbulent or something. I don't know, it's it can speak

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Speaker 2: to you if you're there mentally, and especially if you've

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Speaker 2: had a little microdoser too. I love you. Unfortunately, Mila

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Speaker 2: gru was Santana's first album to fail to crack the

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Speaker 2: top one hundred on Billboard. After that blow, the band

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Speaker 1: The next release, Sacred Fire, was a live album compiled

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Speaker 1: ninety three. The album is dedicated to another hero of Carlos's,

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Speaker 1: says IV Chavis, the agriculture workers rights leader who died

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Speaker 2: With his heroes falling all around him, Carlos looked for

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Speaker 2: inspiration within and then the great beyond. Okay, Leana, question

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Speaker 2: for the ask away, if you could pick one deceased,

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Speaker 2: famous person, artist, whoever to have a conversation with for

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Speaker 2: two hours, who would it be? Oh God, I know,

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Speaker 2: Oh god, you're gonna be still, thought Jerry. I thought.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I'm really not. I actually would

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Speaker 1: really love to speak with Carl Lagerfeld, whoa only because

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Speaker 1: it's interesting how the people that have run Chanelle have

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Speaker 1: him so fascinating And he was always on my bucket

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Speaker 1: list of people that I thought I would interview in

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Speaker 2: For the rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: So that's just like a famous designer, less of like

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Speaker 1: also quite scary. So it would be a really interesting

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Speaker 1: challenge on a personal level as well. What about you?

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Speaker 2: I love that answer so much. Mine is just because

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Speaker 2: this is the very first person that I you know,

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Speaker 2: I never wanted to be a celebrity makeup artist. It

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Speaker 2: just kind of happened. But someone that I really wanted

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Speaker 2: to work with my whole life just because it's who

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Speaker 2: I looked up to. It was Brittany Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be a celebrity makeup artist just so

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Speaker 2: I can fucking do Brittany Murphy's makeup. That's all. That's

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Speaker 2: all I wanted. I moved to New York and boom wow.

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Speaker 2: I just want to chat with her. I just want

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Speaker 2: to get to know her. And I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: you know why. I was so so so drawn to her,

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Speaker 2: And everyone's like, out of anyone, I've just what happened

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Speaker 1: Well, ansoy energetically, you're just attracted to who you were

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, okay, Well, Leleana, what if I told

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Speaker 2: you that on Carlos Santana's fifty second birthday he was

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Speaker 1: I would say, can ghosts actually play instruments? Like did

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Speaker 1: Miles Davis have a little trumpet? Was there trumpet in

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Speaker 2: But I think he was celebrating his fifty second birthday

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Speaker 2: as Santana. Would you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying true, true, true.

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Speaker 2: Well, according to Carlos, the two of them just hung

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. Yes, I believe in a way that Carlos

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Speaker 2: But do you believe it was actually Miles Davis?

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Speaker 1: I think that you know what, Let's just leave the

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Speaker 2: Okay, good call. According to Carlos, Miles Davis isn't the

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Speaker 2: only spirit from Beyond to have paid him a visit.

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Speaker 2: He's also stated that spirits have win on offers he's

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Speaker 1: For all we know, he asked John Lennon and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Carlos takes a ton of stock in his heroes, living

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Speaker 2: And by the nineteen nineties, many of Carlos's biggest heroes

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Speaker 1: At his home in San Rafael, California, Carlos Santana had

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Speaker 1: developed a regular meditation practice and the little annex separate

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Speaker 2: This annex, which he dubs the church, is where Carlos

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Speaker 2: retreats to commune with the beyond and to play the

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Speaker 1: And it's where on a quiet night in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: Carlos enters a deep meditation and is visited by the

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Speaker 1: angel Metatron.

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Speaker 2: Medatron is an angel mentioned in Jewish and Islamic scriptures,

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Speaker 2: as well as in mystical practices such as Kabbala and Stuphism.

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Speaker 2: There's even obscure text that named Metatron as an angel

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Speaker 2: that led the Jews out of the.

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Speaker 1: Desert, and Metatron would just so happen to be the

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Speaker 1: figure to lead Carlos Santana out of his own creative desert.

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Speaker 2: As Carlos tells it, the angel delivered him a message quote,

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Speaker 2: you will be inside the radio frequency for the purpose

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Speaker 2: of connecting the molecules with light.

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Speaker 1: With this news, the angel also instructed Carlos to be patient, gracious,

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Speaker 2: To Carlos, Metatron's message is a clear one. He will

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Speaker 2: record a new album that will once again bring his

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Speaker 1: Carlos shares the news with his wife, Deborah, whom Carlos

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Speaker 1: She encourages him to meet with the president of aris

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Speaker 1: To Records, Clive Davis.

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Speaker 2: Clive Davis just so happens to be the same executive

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Speaker 2: who signed Santana to Columbia Records back in the sas seventies.

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Speaker 1: Carlos feels pregnant with a masterpiece of joy in his belly.

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Speaker 2: Kicked off a parade of hit singles put Your Lights On, Maria,

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Speaker 1: And While this collection of singles featured a revolving door

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Speaker 2: Santana had been one of the defining artists of the

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Speaker 2: All in all, Supernatural, the album we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: Nat the Grammy's Santana broke a record held by Michael

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Speaker 2: as of today. So, if Carlos's mission was to reconnect

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Speaker 1: That means that means wait, wait, wait, wait, what does

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Speaker 1: I think what you're trying to say is that Santana

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Speaker 2: It's not for us to say whether these unfathomable heights

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Speaker 2: by the angel Metatron, but sufficed to say this renaissance

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Speaker 1: Well, the longtimers would soon be in for a treat.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, Carlos would reunite with the bandmates he

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Speaker 2: The band had reunited once before, in nineteen ninety eight

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Speaker 2: The band played well together, but they didn't entertain the

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Speaker 2: Carlos said that everywhere he went, Shown was there, and

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Speaker 2: The cover of Santana four features a psychedelic depiction of

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Speaker 1: The opening track puts us firmly in classic Santana territory

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Speaker 1: I think that's okay, right, I mean, I think that's

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Speaker 2: No, well, I think it's because you just remember the life.

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Speaker 2: I hate to be all psychedelics in sixties because it's antenna,

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Speaker 2: and all egos and all that shit aside. It's just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes I think that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: I think that you can always separate the ego from.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Santana had set out to reconnect the molecules with

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Speaker 1: the light, and over the course of his journey, he

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Speaker 1: reconnected and found healing with his former bandmates and reinvigorated

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Speaker 1: himself as an artist.

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Speaker 2: But Santana's next album, twenty nineteen's Africa Speaks, would see

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Speaker 2: Carlos again assembling a new lineup. This time around, Carlo's

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Speaker 2: sense of purpose drove him to foreground the sounds of

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Speaker 2: the African continent and let the album serve as a

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Speaker 2: vehicle for black vocalists.

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Speaker 1: So he invited British singer Laura Mavola and Spanish singer Boyka.

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Speaker 1: Produced by Rick Rubin, the album was a critical and

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Speaker 1: commercial success.

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Speaker 2: Two years later, however, Santan would release a follow up

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Speaker 2: that returned to the feature heavy formula of nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: nine's Supernatural.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one's Blessings and Miracles featured performers such as

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Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton, Fifth Harmony's Ally Brook and once again Matchbox

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Speaker 1: two Rob Thomas.

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Speaker 2: When asked about the shift in direction, Carlos pointed to

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Speaker 2: the global pandemic. He felt that people needed hope and courage.

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Speaker 1: He went on to say that the album title comes

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Speaker 1: from his belief that we're born with heavenly powers that

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Speaker 1: allow us to create blessings and miracles, and that music

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Speaker 1: is one such heavenly power.

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Speaker 2: For Carlos, the album was quote mystical medicine music to

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Speaker 2: heal an infected world of fear and darkness. He felt

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Speaker 2: called upon to touch people's hearts. The other radio, the.

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Speaker 1: Guy believes so deeply in the transcendent healing power of music,

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Speaker 1: and he sees his own musical voice as a kind

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Speaker 1: of medicine or elixir.

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Speaker 2: The duality of Santana is jam band versus pop accompanist.

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Speaker 2: You have instrumentally focused jazz like trippy odyssey sounds that

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Speaker 2: are meant for tuning in, turning on, and dropping out.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you have these like very

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Speaker 1: you know, super accessible, easy to buy to pop right

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Speaker 1: where the futured vocalist is the sugar and his guitar

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Speaker 1: is the medicine.

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Speaker 2: Medicine for the soul rather than the body. Because remember

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Speaker 2: we're talking about a man who communes with the spirits

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Speaker 2: every noche right right.

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Speaker 1: And while we don't all get our music the way

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Speaker 1: that Carlos did when he was growing up, we stream

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Speaker 1: rather than turn on the actual radio, we can still

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Speaker 1: have that experience of unexpectedly hearing sounds we've never heard before,

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Speaker 1: things that change how we think about music, that open

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Speaker 1: our minds, heal our souls.

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Speaker 2: I'll see it one last time. HiT's a groovy scene, man,

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Speaker 2: And whether you're a kid in Tijuana in the sixties

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Speaker 2: turning a knob on the radio and hearing Richie Allens,

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Speaker 2: or a kid today digging up music from years gone

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Speaker 2: by on a streaming platform or.

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Speaker 1: Your parents' old ass CD collection.

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Speaker 2: The song remains the same and for Carlos Santana, it's

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Speaker 2: a song worth playing every time.

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Speaker 1: On the next Becoming an Icon, a reggathon origin story

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Speaker 1: from San Juan, Puerto Rico, home of King of Regathon.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

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Speaker 1: Duda podcast network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the

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