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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast doesn't like other sports. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined by a room

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Speaker 1: failed with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosa.

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Speaker 1: All what's up boys? Hey Dan? I think that's the

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Speaker 1: second time that draws it. That is Mark Sessler's beat.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be grouped in with a guy

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Speaker 1: that only likes football. I like a lot of sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm even in on the euro Cup, the Copa, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching all the soccer. I'm all pumped up about sports

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Speaker 1: right now. Dan learned Coppa approximately two hours ago, that's correct,

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Speaker 1: But I'm in now. I mean that I think the

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Speaker 1: thing that keeps I keep mentioning this and it keeps

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Speaker 1: getting forgotten is that it's a time issue for me

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Speaker 1: that the fifteen year old me watched every sport and

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Speaker 1: you know, I had no other agenda or anything to

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Speaker 1: do with my life. I don't. I just don't have

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Speaker 1: time to watch Copa cupper. I'm sure it's very nice,

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Speaker 1: have a nice time with it, enjoy yourself, Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just, you know, I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: be labeled as as a group when it's really one

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Speaker 1: guy West loves a lot of sports. Greg loves many

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Speaker 1: sports and a lot of different ways to get involved

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Speaker 1: with sports. Wink wink, I love many sports. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what that mean. Ways to get involved? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how about this Al Michaels at the end

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Speaker 1: of a Sunday night telecast. Instead of putting the heat

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Speaker 1: on yourself or on me, how about call it what

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Speaker 1: it was? A disastrous money drop. That's fair? Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is the Monday edition to Be Around the NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: sponsored by no One, loved by many. What was the

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Speaker 1: last part of that? To nobody? I was gonna throw

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Speaker 1: unrespected by a few. It depends who you ask about that,

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Speaker 1: although I did, and we'll get into it a little later.

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Speaker 1: At the All or Nothing premiere last Thursday night, I

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Speaker 1: met a listen, not really but he this guy came

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Speaker 1: up to me and I was It was a little

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Speaker 1: And that's when he that's when he saw me, and

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Speaker 1: he probably thought that I was like some type of

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Speaker 1: weird drifter. That's the way it is. Wait, hold on,

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Speaker 1: you can always present the best you know. Then this

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Speaker 1: person approached That's when he approached me. He saw me

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Speaker 1: else like having fun together. Local drifter. Yeah, who probably

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Speaker 1: sees himself as John Hammond that moment. Uh, who you what?

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Speaker 1: You're upset because I get on you about the football thing.

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Speaker 1: That's it. No, I don't. Only only sixteen game seasons

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Speaker 1: are for me. I'm way too busy for anything else.

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Speaker 1: What I need is I need to be tracking a

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Speaker 1: team day to day. That's eighteen games at a first

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Speaker 1: a good way to use my time. Well, what do

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Speaker 1: we're really going to get into lots of things. He

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Speaker 1: had a good weekend. We did have a nice time

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Speaker 1: at It wasn't WrestleMania, but it was a West gathering

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Speaker 1: and it was a raucous, good, good time. The most

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Speaker 1: successful party at my place yet easily. There was a

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. Yes, there was some cornhole played. The Mega

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Speaker 1: Powers finally got together. Westling and hands Has teamed up

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Speaker 1: time all around. And uh the clean up the next

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Speaker 1: the way. We'll get it back to you. Okay, thanks,

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Speaker 1: another reason to have a barbecue. Uh, Westlemania, Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 1: elements of play with Connie Fox Party Saturday. Okay, yes.

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Speaker 1: On today's edition of the program, we will get into

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Speaker 1: what's been going on in the NFL since we last

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Speaker 1: a Thursday. And we will also discuss I like this

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Speaker 1: and then you know, throwing some mirth as we're known

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Speaker 1: to do. Uh. And Monday's show and before we move on,

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Speaker 1: let's check behind the glass. Brandon the irishman mcguinnis out

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Speaker 1: But the third stringer steps in in a big spot.

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Speaker 1: But not a third stringer to us, Sully, that's right,

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Speaker 1: what's up, fellas Sully? What's going on? Boys? I've like you, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of soccer lately. Huge soccer guy.

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Speaker 1: a trip up to San franc He was just going

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Speaker 1: Sully zeroed in right now on a game that's happening.

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Speaker 1: So this this podcast, I'm not zero, and I'm zero.

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Speaker 1: Selly knows his audience. Let's start in Baltimore. The Ravens

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Wes. There's a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 1: I mean, but it's it seems like the Ravens for

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Speaker 1: has some wide receiver issues, the Detroit Lions, who of

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Speaker 1: of a t L, nearly brought the groups to its

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Speaker 1: knees a few times, and with the Cardinals a they

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Speaker 1: delivered last year right up until the end. They were

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Speaker 1: absolutely what you'd want in a team of at L

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Speaker 1: and I think there's something about that team that each

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Speaker 1: one of us, with our different UH wants and needs

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Speaker 1: could latch onto. Bruce Arians alone makes me like this

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Speaker 1: team and uh, I would vote for them. This reminds

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Speaker 1: me of last year when West tried to run the

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Speaker 1: Chargers back for a seconds. Yes, it does have a

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Speaker 1: lot of ears parallel, by the way, by the way

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. This time around, I think West even maybe

436
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Speaker 1: would be more open to it. I feel like they

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Speaker 1: would be on the long list of potential teams. Reminds

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Speaker 1: me of a disastrous interview I did with the San

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Speaker 1: Diego radio station this morning, and it started like this,

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Speaker 1: So you were down in San Diego for mini camp

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Speaker 1: last week. What did you see? Do your homework? I

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Speaker 1: wasn't in San Diego, al right, next question, do your

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Speaker 1: homework be a professional? Name the station? Shame them? Uh, Now,

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Speaker 1: they're they're nice people. Double exports San Diego. I think

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Speaker 1: that's all right anyway, let's just throw that out there.

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Speaker 1: But make sure you check that check that out if

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Speaker 1: you are a football fan. They screened. There's eight episodes

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Speaker 1: they're gonna drop at on July one, at midnight. Amazon

449
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Speaker 1: Prime users get access to the show. It's called All

450
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Speaker 1: or Nothing. We watched the one that was the playoff

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Speaker 1: game between the Packers and Cardinals, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: the I remember when the game happened. I said that

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Speaker 1: I thought it was like my favorite game ever. Uh

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Speaker 1: and it's unquestionably one of the best playoff games in years.

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Speaker 1: That game you want to talk about, luck had the

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Speaker 1: most wires, cameras, the most covered game in the history

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Speaker 1: of NFL. Yeah, my response would be, you know last

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Speaker 1: year that Arizona Cardinals captured my heart after the first

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You know, they got some ground to

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Speaker 1: make up on the Tennessee Titans, which have already begun

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Speaker 1: to capture heart this offseason. Wait, hey, look, we each

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Speaker 1: get one out of four votes here, so that's that's

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Speaker 1: only fair that Dan could be well, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: gotta be tough for the Cardinals to catch up in

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Speaker 1: the charisma department. With Mike Malarkey running the show. There

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Speaker 1: there's no magnetic personnelity. There's no set formula for deciding

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Speaker 1: where your heart goes um. Finally, in the news, former

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Speaker 1: NBA Slam dunk champion Nate Robinson is bidding to join

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Speaker 1: UH Bud grant a little history from Chris Wesley in

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Speaker 1: the right up as the second athlete in history to

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Speaker 1: play both in the NBA and the NFL. Robinson uh

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Speaker 1: was cut by the New Orleans Pelicans and uncla unclaimed

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Speaker 1: on waivers out of basketball, announced in March that he

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Speaker 1: would return to the gridiron once this Israeli Premier League

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Speaker 1: season ended, and now he's going for it. Robinson is

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Speaker 1: going to try out as a defensive back with the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. That's happening. On Monday, rap Sheet reported Robinson

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Speaker 1: isn't signing with the Seahawks, but the team is planning

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Speaker 1: uh on staying in contact with him. Washington Post first

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Speaker 1: reported this. Robinson is very short. I know that former

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Speaker 1: Nick uh measured five seven and three quarters at the NBA. Comment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he's thirty two years old, so you'd be one

483
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Speaker 1: of the shortest cornerbacks in the NFL. And he's thirty

484
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Speaker 1: two years old and hasn't played football and also no

485
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Speaker 1: longer athletically explosive enough to play in the NBA. Other

486
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Speaker 1: than that, Ryan to adapt to one of the toughest

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Speaker 1: positions to learn how to play at the NFL level.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine being a volume shooter in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Would that help you playing defense? In the end, he

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Speaker 1: played well. He played cornerback at Dubbed. He was a

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Speaker 1: legit college. Started seven games as a freshman. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: had a couple of picks said he would have stayed.

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Speaker 1: He would have stayed with football had Washington not fired

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Speaker 1: Rick newhas. He's certainly not without talent. I do like

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll has kind of become that guy. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: if you've got like an interesting story and you just

497
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Speaker 1: send him some clips, like he'll he'll give you a shot.

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Speaker 1: He's just having fun up there. I mean, they brought

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Speaker 1: in that former was it a paratrooper or like a

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Speaker 1: Navy Seal's Navy seal I believe, right, log snapper from Texas. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talked last week about how tough it is for

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Speaker 1: established NFL players to switch positions in the middle of

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Speaker 1: their career. It's got to be so much tougher for

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Speaker 1: an NBA player after what eleven years of or maybe

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Speaker 1: fourteen years of not playing football, to come in at

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Speaker 1: age thirty two and be like Julius Pepper is trying

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Speaker 1: to go to the NBA after his crew. I'd be

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Speaker 1: a little concerned if I'm the GM of the Hopal

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Speaker 1: tel Aviv BC basketball club. Guy's got he's got a

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Speaker 1: lot on his plate right now. Gregg, you're in saying

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Speaker 1: losing one of your best players the football trail quick game. Here,

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Speaker 1: signs start or kill their NFL dreams not killed. Signs

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Speaker 1: start or kill their NFL dreams. Johnny Manzel, Tim Tebow,

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Speaker 1: Nate Robinson. You gotta sign one, you gotta start one,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta kill. You gotta kill the dreams of

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Speaker 1: the other. Um I would, well, I would, I would

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Speaker 1: start Tim Tebow, which is which bothers me. Um. I

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Speaker 1: would line Manzel and just bury him on a practice

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Speaker 1: squad and have a like a shap run with him

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Speaker 1: at all times, just to keep him, you know, out

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Speaker 1: of his normal seven trouble cycle. I'm not I'm going

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Speaker 1: to kill the NFL dreams of Robinson. Thank you, Sully. Sully,

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Speaker 1: listen first to get your dead hands strop and now

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Speaker 1: he's helping me bringing back You are the Weeks link. Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: So you're all right? West? You start Tim Tebow, easy answer.

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Speaker 1: I mean this guy's won playoff games while you're one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. Well, I mean, look at the other options.

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Speaker 1: The other guys started a game just last December and

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Speaker 1: he was okay, and some of them. You know, ESPN

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Speaker 1: is looking for a replacement for Skip Bayless. Looks Tim Tebow,

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Speaker 1: as much as people want to rip on him, is

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Speaker 1: better than some backups around the NFL. And the reason

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Speaker 1: he doesn't play isn't because he's not better than backups.

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Speaker 1: People don't want to deal with the headache. But you

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Speaker 1: signed Nate Robinson because who am I to give up

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Speaker 1: on his dream? To put roadblock some dream? And you

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Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with Johnny Manzel. You kill

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Speaker 1: his football dreams, all right, that's fair. He doesn't deserve

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Speaker 1: football dreams. Frankly, listen, a lot of people agree with you,

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Speaker 1: Greg Well going with um. You know my my motto

541
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Speaker 1: in terms of the what was it my free agency

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Speaker 1: team where I had all the contome They're like the

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Speaker 1: muckrakers or the troublemaker. I'm gonna start Johnny Manzel. He's

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Speaker 1: been in the league most recently playing over that's that's

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Speaker 1: a problem. But this group presents a lot of problem.

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Speaker 1: It's their ability is and that what he's looking for.

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Speaker 1: Uh So I'm gonna start Johnny Manzel, he's been in

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Speaker 1: the league recent I'm gonna sign I'm gonna sign Nate Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Is there another man of short stature. I think you

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Speaker 1: give him the chance to blossom on the practice squad

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Speaker 1: and give him something. You're leaving Tim Tebow out of

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Speaker 1: the NFL in the center, I'm gonna kill his NFL

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Speaker 1: dreams because he has dreams bigger than football. He is

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Speaker 1: speaking around the country. He has moved on. Uh, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna start a quarterback who has a five percent chance

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Speaker 1: of even making it to the game. Oh, it's easily.

557
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: West General manager Greg Rosenthal in hot water by week

558
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Speaker 1: three of this NFL season. I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: the name of the team it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: little it was like the Felons or something. Ah, that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. Alright, guys, everyone have fair

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Speaker 1: points there? Yeah, for scoring the fight. Oh do you

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Speaker 1: want to know what the answer is? I gotta go

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Speaker 1: with Wes. The correct answers are I'm thinking about this

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Speaker 1: in real time. You're starting Tim Tebow. You gotta put

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Speaker 1: some meat in the seats. That's a good point. Puts

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Speaker 1: meeting the seats. Uh. You are signing Johnny Manziel for

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Speaker 1: the same reasons uh Mark said, You're gonna rehabilitate him.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna save his life potentially unrehabilitatble. You're going to

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Speaker 1: believe in him. And he could eventually supplant Tebok, who

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Speaker 1: will be terrible most likely, and the you know, meeting

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Speaker 1: the seats appeal will wear off with that after a while.

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Speaker 1: And then Nate rob already ultimillionaire, had a nice NBA career,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a fun player. I had some big moments.

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Speaker 1: One of the slam dunk titles. UH is gonna have

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Speaker 1: a nice life no matter what happens. This is all

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Speaker 1: kind of a pipe dream. So I'm killing your dreams.

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Speaker 1: Everyone already lived your dream. So I would say I

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Speaker 1: would add if you're the Seahawks, though you kind of

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Speaker 1: you kind of you would have to add Nate because

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Speaker 1: he's a you dub grad. Well, that would put some

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are not, you know, an NFC contender every

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Speaker 1: year because they're doing these kinds of things. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I realized that. But twelve Sully only sees the NFL

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Speaker 1: through Seahawks lenses. I would know. I would say, if

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Speaker 1: you're the Seahawks, I agree with you Wes most most likely,

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Speaker 1: but I would say if you if you're the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: choosing would Seahawks don't have to worry about putting meat

589
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Speaker 1: in the seats either, they don't. That's a great fan

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Speaker 1: base up there, selling out that building. What's his favorite

591
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Speaker 1: fan base? Nice little place for the old Nate Robinson

592
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Speaker 1: when he was with the Celtics. Yeah he I mean

593
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: he was a fan favorite New York too, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: good drop about you, Nate. All right, finally let's now

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Speaker 1: talk about it, Um West. I would I would say

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Speaker 1: that if there was a list, you know how they do,

597
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: like top thirty professionals under thirty in Rockland County, and

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Speaker 1: then they had the list of the head shots, I

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Speaker 1: would put, like West, top thirty podcasters under forty five.

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Speaker 1: You would be on that list. Thank you. How many

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Speaker 1: podcasters are under forty five? I mean that's high praise.

602
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: There are literally thousands of podcasts out there, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: Well that's pretty good point being coming from Dan. It

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Speaker 1: was a white hot ages m comment. Well, that's true.

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Speaker 1: He and I didn't even I didn't even love in

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Speaker 1: Mark because we we clashed earlier on the show about

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Speaker 1: his sports fandom. So I just that had to be

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Speaker 1: just you. Well, every other podcaster except Tony Kornheiser is

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Speaker 1: over I mean under forty five, So yeah, you guys

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Speaker 1: would be the top three. Simmons is I think forty six,

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Speaker 1: so he's not even in this. So you're you're I

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Speaker 1: think you might be. You're in the forty over forty

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Speaker 1: forty podcasters anyway, So this list, though, the hook of

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Speaker 1: this is top five quarterbacks twenty five and under. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and Greg, we will start with you on this again.

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Speaker 1: If you were born after what was it like or

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Speaker 1: whatever or before? No chance this is you gotta be

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Speaker 1: twenty or under right now, not when the season begins. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: first I want to tell you I got some great news.

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Speaker 1: The meeting I needed to go to was cancel. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's great, So we're just flying. Let's make this here.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and well, first let's let's set it up

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Speaker 1: with who's in this a little bit Jared Goff. I

624
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Speaker 1: mean we're throwing the rookies in just just so people

625
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Speaker 1: know Carson Wentz. There are some surprising people that are

626
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Speaker 1: twenty five and under, like Brock Osweiler. Uh a, J

627
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Speaker 1: mccaren Gino Smith, you finally succeeded at something. I had

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Speaker 1: a really hard time with this because we've seen two

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Speaker 1: years of Car Boardles and if you want to throw

630
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Speaker 1: Bridgewater in there, but you know, I'm not in terms

631
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Speaker 1: of considering for the top spot. And so that's so

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Speaker 1: much more evidence than we've seen of Jamis Winston and

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, who are obviously the other two really strong

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Speaker 1: guys to pick. And yet even though I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it as much, I am taking Jamis Winston as my

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick here top quarterback because I just

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Speaker 1: I just think that first the second year leap, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm betting on that that they're gonna get better. Bortles

639
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Speaker 1: did it, Car did it. I think Winston and Mariota

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Speaker 1: for that matter, we're better as rookies than than those

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Speaker 1: guys were. And so my list is Winston, Mariota, Bordles,

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Speaker 1: Car and I threw Teddy Bridgewater in there as number five,

643
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Speaker 1: over guys like Jimmy Garoppolo and of course my favorite

644
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Speaker 1: Geno Smith. Let's hear it again. I have Winston one,

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Speaker 1: Mariota two. It hurts to put Bortles at three because

646
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Speaker 1: I love me some Blake Bortles. He is the most

647
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Speaker 1: fun guy on this list for me to watch. But

648
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Speaker 1: he's three, Derek Carr four, and I have Teddy Bridgewater five.

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Speaker 1: I am basically deciding I don't know anything about Jared

650
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: Goffer Carson Wentz at the NFL level, and I would

651
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Speaker 1: rather take what I've seen out of Teddy Bridgewater than guys.

652
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: I really would. That's that's the hook here, though, because

653
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Speaker 1: I on my list, I have Goff at number five

654
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Speaker 1: over Bridgewater, but for the reverse reason, which is I

655
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I know him. We're about to

656
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: see from Teddy Bridgewater. We saw kind of the middle

657
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: of the road guy that showed some things at times,

658
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: but also seems like the ceiling might not be that high. Goff,

659
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Speaker 1: you know the number one overall pick. That's boom er

660
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: Bust obviously, but the ceiling could be higher, So I

661
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: put him ahead of Teddy absolutely, But the floor could

662
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: be lower in one thing doing this that I was

663
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: looking up everyone's age. Teddy Bridgewater is twenty three years old.

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Speaker 1: He is a full two years younger than Derek Carr.

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00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: Derek Car had five years at President State Bridge President State,

666
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: Bridgewater came out as an underclassman. That's significant to me

667
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: those two years. So I'm giving Bridgewater a chance. Why

668
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: couldn't he a little better? Just doesn't sit well with me, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because you have been a part of this philosophy for

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Speaker 1: a while. Back in the day, we would say the

671
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Bengals are stuck in purgatory because Andy Dalton is average,

672
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: and you agreed with that. If you're stuck in quarterback purgatory,

673
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Speaker 1: you don't have your answer, you gotta go find it.

674
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: So if Teddy Bridgewater is quarterback purgatory, and it sounds

675
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: like you think he's average, why not get a guy

676
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: who can be dynamite. I think worst cases average, I

677
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: definitely believe he can be a top ten quarterback. I

678
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Speaker 1: am not giving up on Teddy Bridgewater. Compared to where

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00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: we were a year ago, when I think if we

680
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Speaker 1: went around the room everyone we would have had Teddy

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00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: Bridgewater over Car and Bordles. Maybe not everyone. I had

682
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: bortleslst year, you would have had Boardles um, but for

683
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: the most part, most people had Teddy Bridgewater. I still

684
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: think he can get better. Mark, What are your thoughts

685
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Speaker 1: on Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater to me, just does not

686
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Speaker 1: excite me. And that's just I I look at it

687
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: as if I were building a team. What kind of

688
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: quarterback do I want to build around? And it's not

689
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Speaker 1: a flaming Teddy Bridgewater scenario. It's just that I had

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Speaker 1: to imagine that you're going from four to number five

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Speaker 1: five with Bridgewater Greg that he there's quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of space between four and five for me to put

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Speaker 1: him number five, and I don't have him on my

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Speaker 1: top five list. But all right, So I have Marcus

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Speaker 1: Mariota number one, Blake Bortles, who I love, I have

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Speaker 1: number two. Well, I think that we haven't I haven't

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Speaker 1: done a comparison between those two when we've talked about

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Speaker 1: Blake Bortles. I like Blake Bortles more than a lot

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Speaker 1: of people just like Blake Bortles. But I think Mariota

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Speaker 1: showed moments last season that we're beyond anything I thought

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Speaker 1: we'd see from him, and so that's that's one and two.

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00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I have Derek Carr number three, really like Derek Carr.

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00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I have Jamis Winston number four, and with number five

704
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Speaker 1: because I considered Teddy for the reasons you mentioned Greg

705
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: there's more evidence of what he is, but he's not

706
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: there for me because I'll take my chances with Carson Wentz.

707
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: He fits the profile, the kind of quarterback i'd won.

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00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: I have the exact almost the exact same list. Mariota

709
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Speaker 1: was the easy choice at number one for me. I

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Speaker 1: can't get visions of Joe my Tanna and Jake Plumber

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00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: out of my head hopefully closer to Montana when I

712
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: watch him play. Uh. Blake Bortles number two, and the

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Speaker 1: second spot was hard. I considered Winston number two as well,

714
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Speaker 1: but I feel like, like Greig said, we have a

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Speaker 1: larger sample size with Bordles. He showed so much improvement

716
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Speaker 1: and they have very nice surrounding talent there. Now Derek

717
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Carr number four, and I went Carson Wentz number five

718
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: to what's not to love about a guy who is

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00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: football brilliant and has built like Andrew Luck and moves

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00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: like Andrew Luck and a young Ben Roethlisberger give me

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Speaker 1: the upside of course, and wentz. My five is Mariota one.

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Speaker 1: How do you pronounce that Mariota? I feel like West

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Speaker 1: is strong. Honking for Mariota has influenced the room because

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Speaker 1: it influenced me, like I I thought, I think, I think,

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Speaker 1: you're just total belief in him has helped me even

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Speaker 1: think alright, alright, push him even higher. West just said

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Speaker 1: he has a chance with Joe Montana. I feel like

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Speaker 1: he he as a rookie, he already had moments of transcendence.

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Speaker 1: Uh So I had Mariot to one, Derek cart two,

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Speaker 1: Bordles three. You could flip them easily, but they're very

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Speaker 1: close winstant four, but he could be higher too. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not it's pretty tough those first four, and then

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Speaker 1: it is it's crap shooting. I went with Goff and

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Speaker 1: I don't know for the same reason about but I

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Speaker 1: will let me ask you this question, Mark, uh the

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Speaker 1: things that West just said, the reason you put him

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Speaker 1: at five, are are you upset that the Browns traded

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Speaker 1: away the number two pick when they could have had

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Speaker 1: that guy on the team. I came away from the

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Speaker 1: draft feeling like Cleveland went all out with their strategy

741
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Speaker 1: and it was a we're going to build this team

742
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: to the draft, and it's not going to be by

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Speaker 1: picking one guy at quarterback and having to trade up

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00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: for that. Uh it'll be compared. They'll be compared to

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Speaker 1: what Wentz does all along. If Wentz turns into Big

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Speaker 1: Ben Part two, there's gonna be a lot of people

747
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: that will look at that and say, man, you could

748
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: have had him. It's a big target you missed. It's

749
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Speaker 1: an interesting analytics versus scouting discussion because one of the

750
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: big tenants of analytics is a two thousand ten study

751
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: uh By I think a couple of guys from Yeah

752
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: that said, if you are keeping the number one pick

753
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: in the draft, you're doing it all wrong. You need

754
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: to trade down and keep trading down and get as

755
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: many picks as possible. But I also think you can talk.

756
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: You can be overly smart and talk yourself out of that.

757
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: And what if Carson Wentz is a game change? They

758
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: they had their guy, it was Jared Goff. They just

759
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to They didn't want to give up whatever

760
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Speaker 1: it would take to go from two to one, and

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00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: so they believed by all accounts and they would had

762
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: a strong conviction in golf and they didn't and win,

763
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: so you can't force it. Maybe they'll prove to have

764
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: a long evaluation, but I wonder if and I know

765
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: because they've had so many regime changes, but that's now

766
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: legendaries in this in this reboot of the Browns, the

767
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: struggles that they've had finding the quarterback. Is the organization

768
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: perhaps a little gun shy to make a move of

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Speaker 1: that at that level and number two overall pick and

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Speaker 1: that part part of the reason why they decided to

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00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: go maybe a more conservative route. It will be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is one of the more fascinating things to watch

773
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: coming out of this draft, if not the most fascinating. Yeah,

774
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, they were killed for going against their own

775
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: in house study when they went with Manzelle over Bridgewater. Man,

776
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: that was a nightmare that couldn't have turned out any worse.

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00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: But that said, I something about Teddy Bridgewater's overall game.

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Speaker 1: I am not that unhappy that they don't have Teddy Bridgewater.

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00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what the next guy comes down

780
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: the pike is. I mean, as we've seen, we we

781
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: thought Andy Dalton hit his ceiling and that's the player.

782
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: You know, you think of Alex Smith and Dalton when

783
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: you think of Bridgewater that he's got a lower ceiling.

784
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Speaker 1: But I think he's a much better scrambler. I think

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00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: ultimately he could throw a better deep ball than those

786
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Speaker 1: two guys. So maybe he's a guy that it takes

787
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: a little longer for him. With Mariota. The reason I

788
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: had a hard time putting in one, although I put

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Speaker 1: Winston one was he's played eleven games that you know,

790
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Speaker 1: really we haven't seen a ton and he doesn't really

791
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Speaker 1: throw or connect on a deep ball. So that's so

792
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: that's you're projecting more with him and Winston than than

793
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: those other guys where we've seen Bordles do a lot.

794
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: We I think Derek Carr is gonna inspire some angry

795
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: tweets because he didn't get higher than four. Three. Okay,

796
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: none of us him. I think he's fine at three though,

797
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: because it's like I Dan said it to Bordles Car

798
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: potentially interchangeable at some point. It comes down to probably

799
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: what your preferences. I know, for me, I like bigger

800
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I that are gonna last for sixteen games,

801
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's huge for me, that's huge. How much

802
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: of Mariota's deep ball, which was the least efficient in

803
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the NFL, was the fact that he was throwing to

804
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: smurf wide receivers or Doroyal Green Beckham who didn't know

805
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: what which route to run, or the offensive line allowing

806
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: the most sacks in the NFL. I mean, I have

807
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: a hard time extracting how much of that is him.

808
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have a great throwing motion for deep ball.

809
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: He's got the arms, but he doesn't have the touch

810
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: that he does on shorter and intermediate pass. This is

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Speaker 1: a that's a tough exercise. Hey, do you guys want

812
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: to hear my bottom five? Yure the five guys I

813
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: at least want and under number one, this is gonna

814
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: see him at odds because I just made him my

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00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: starter in the f m K game. But Johnny Manziel,

816
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Uh too much, too much baggage. He's a hundred and

817
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: forty pounds Uh A J mccaren, who I know some

818
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: people are say lack of baggage. Yeah uh uh yeah,

819
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: uh pick up the chisels. Number two A J. Mccaren.

820
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean people like him, not me.

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Speaker 1: Number three gino Uh number four Zach Mettenberg, Greg and

822
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: the email where you listed the guy's twenty five and

823
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: under you put can't move instead of an age for him.

824
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: You'd rather have Zach Mettenberger than a J. Mccarenh. Yes,

825
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: that is bizarre. Yeah, and then uh five, Teddy Bridgewater

826
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: slips into my bottom phone. Well, I considered McCarron for

827
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: my number five fifth overall? Would he might be number

828
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Speaker 1: one on Sessler's list of guys. He doesn't want Teddy

829
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Bridge out of the way. He was slamming him off

830
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: off the air here there. You know that part of

831
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: it is that I like to just riff on you

832
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: guys in the office. But Teddy Bridgewater, I and and

833
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: it's look at I'm not a quarterback evaluator by trade.

834
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: I just find him to be boring. It was a

835
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: boring year to There is no doubt Jimmy Garoppolo just

836
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: forgotten in this entire Let's see him play. Can I

837
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: just say one thing about Baxton Lynch? Forgotten to one

838
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: mark one of the more fascinating individuals. A lot of

839
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: times will be like, you know, that's that's what I

840
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: say on the air, like off the arm a little

841
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: more toned down. It's like the opposite with Mark, it's

842
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: like the inverse. Sometimes Mark will say more brash, outrageous

843
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: things off air than he says on air. Absolutely, it's

844
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: like a little flip. Well because in this case with them,

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Speaker 1: he said some pretty about but like it I was,

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Speaker 1: I was, you guys were laughing. It was like it

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Speaker 1: was early on a depressing Monday morning. So it's like

848
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Speaker 1: there was human reaction in the room. I was just,

849
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to drum up some exciting no. But

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Speaker 1: that no I do because he did not make my

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Speaker 1: top five, and I didn't consider him from my top

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Speaker 1: five at all. I just said I'd rather put mccaren

853
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Speaker 1: in Bridgewater. Yeah, I liked mccaron down the stretch last year.

854
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Speaker 1: I'd rather have him under Hugh Jackson in Cleveland right

855
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Speaker 1: now than Teddy Bridgewater. Can I go back to the

856
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Speaker 1: Browns and analytics discussion for just a second. Sure, So

857
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Speaker 1: if what the Browns are doing, there's no doubt in

858
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Speaker 1: my mind that over the long run, you're going to

859
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Speaker 1: draft more efficiently if you do the analytics model and

860
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: keep trading down. But NFL teams win with difference makers

861
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Speaker 1: and outcome shifters, these special talents who are good enough

862
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: to change the outcome of games. And I think that

863
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: the only way to go about that is evaluate the

864
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: tape and go with your gut and say I need

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Speaker 1: this guy to put me over the top. I think

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Speaker 1: you'll end up with a lot of pretty good starters

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00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: and know like special talents. If if three years from

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00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: now they don't have stars on their team, which is

869
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: basically the case now, it's a failed experiment. If they

870
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Speaker 1: do and it comes through maybe next year, packaging some

871
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: of those extra picks and getting that next version of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, then it's not a failed experiment. Or it

873
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Speaker 1: might have that they're likely or not likely, but they

874
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: will be favored to have a top three pick again.

875
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: And do you change in theory the roster will be

876
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Speaker 1: better off for this rookie quarterback next time around. I mean,

877
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Speaker 1: because analytics aren't dogmatic, they shift to go with trends. No,

878
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Speaker 1: and I think they I think the analytics might have

879
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: influence them not trading up to one that they didn't

880
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: want to give up picks to get golf. But at

881
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: that but at that point, it's not really about you

882
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: can't force yourself to love Carson Wentz and their coach

883
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Speaker 1: did not. It wasn't just their analytics department. Their head

884
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Speaker 1: coach did not want car Because the other question, will

885
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Speaker 1: Sashi and you Jackson get three years that we haven't

886
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: seen that under the Hasling regime. Whether everybody's gonna get

887
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Speaker 1: the time to build this thing, that's another thing where

888
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: you have to say, yeah, we have to see it.

889
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: But I I think they will. But I've said that

890
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: about every single coach. So there's one guy on this

891
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: list that makes about five times more than anyone else.

892
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Speaker 1: He's right in the middle to make any of our

893
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Speaker 1: top five, he's right in the middle. It's a weird

894
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: thing with the NFL draft, and and like that he

895
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Speaker 1: was the He's the first to get money there at

896
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Speaker 1: twenty five year old, making seventeen million dollars. Nothing, nothing

897
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I've seen on tape out of him would have me

898
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Speaker 1: put him in the top five. I wouldn't me neither,

899
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Speaker 1: And yet I wouldn't rule out him being a good

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Speaker 1: There's nothing he showed that would say, well, he has

901
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Speaker 1: no chance that he can't be. I'm not saying starting

902
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: and not in just in this room. But the popular

903
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: opinion is that Houston vastly overpaid for this guy. It

904
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Speaker 1: might be he might be getting so much um you

905
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: know heat right now that he's gonna actually perform better

906
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: than expectations, because I think everyone thinks he's gonna be

907
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: a bust. Maybe he'll be good, decent, would be better

908
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: than Brian Hoyer. He'll probably be about the best quarterback

909
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: in the league. It's gotta better than that. He's got

910
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Speaker 1: to be in the top fifteen. It's got to be

911
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: right at the Dalton line. For this exercise, he would

912
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Speaker 1: have You could have likely come in six or seven

913
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I mean I would have been tough

914
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Speaker 1: him versus Gino. I think we'll revisit this conversation. What

915
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Speaker 1: around week three or four, when Gino Smith and the

916
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Speaker 1: high flying Gailies are running through and you're like, oh, yeah,

917
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Speaker 1: Gino Smith can do exactly what Ryan Jets fans are

918
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Speaker 1: gonna set cars on Smith's the week one started. Greg's

919
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: alone on that hill. Give me Paxton Lynch over all

920
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: those guys. Um, all right, you forgot Tom Savage. Tom Savage, Oh,

921
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Speaker 1: the imaginary friend of the NFL quarterbackground. Uh yeah, he's

922
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Speaker 1: is he who knows he's not a corporeal edity and

923
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Speaker 1: meant well. And I bet a bunch of people will say,

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Speaker 1: what about Tyrod Taylor twenty six? You're not on the list.

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Speaker 1: That's it, all right, we'll be back on Wednesday. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a new first time long time. No. I

927
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Speaker 1: don't know if he has ever listened to the show.

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Speaker 1: Uh but Dan Helly, the who hosts Total Access with

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Rhodes, will be stopping by on Wednesday's a VFL

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Speaker 1: to vault for life tense. Had to fit that in there,

931
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Speaker 1: is he? Yeah, l did you go to Tennessee? I

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00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: wasn't aware it had to fit that in there. Yeah, No,

933
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Speaker 1: are any vols not VFL or you're automatically? Uh yeah?

934
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Speaker 1: Can you? Chestney stabbed us in the back a couple

935
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: of times getting on Tim Tebows like southern dude talk.

936
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Speaker 1: Now we just into and lost. Uh yeah, so Dan

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Speaker 1: Helly v All for Life. I heard tell from damnae

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Speaker 1: sheck Older today that he's really into Cornwall. We'll have

939
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Speaker 1: to talk with him. What a great idea for a guest.

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Speaker 1: Uh So we will be will have Helly in and

941
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Speaker 1: then uh you know, Mini camps are are kicking off

942
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Speaker 1: starting tomorrow a lot of mini camps, so there'll be

943
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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. So until then, this is Dan

944
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Speaker 1: Jansas signing off for that quiet storm, the mail man,

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Speaker 1: the Boss, Sully behind the glass. Thank you, Sully. Till Wednesday,