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Speaker 2: All right, it is time. This is sort of the

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Speaker 2: semi official start, John or I may miss one Sunday,

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Speaker 2: but this is kind of the official start. As we

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Speaker 2: move into August very quickly, John, former NFL scout three

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Speaker 2: and out what's going to happen in college football in

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Speaker 2: the next year. This is really a thing that's happening.

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Speaker 2: So I've talked to two different athletic directors. Is these

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Speaker 2: college programs are going to hire general managers because right now,

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Speaker 2: these guys don't know how to work their cap. So

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Speaker 2: let's say I'll just take usc they're making somewhere between

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Speaker 2: thirteen and fifteen million in IL. That's what I've been told.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, that's their budget to pay, that's.

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Speaker 2: Their annual budget. They're building new facilities. That money is

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Speaker 2: always easy to get. Boosters love facilities, they can.

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Speaker 1: Feel put their name on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, nil again about thirteen million a year in

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Speaker 2: don't know. They just don't understand quite they needed general manager.

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Speaker 2: So I think what's going to happen in college football

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Speaker 2: in the next eighteen months. A guy like a Chris

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Speaker 2: You hire Chris Peterson, you give him a good salary,

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Speaker 2: and see, Chris, you just run the cap. You organizationally

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Speaker 2: kind of run our personnel. You don't get the heat

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Speaker 2: of the coach. And I think that guys like Chris

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Speaker 2: them and say, can you run from a personnel standpoint,

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Speaker 2: organize our football program because these guys, these schools now

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Speaker 2: announce they're going to the schools. So I think there's

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Speaker 2: a massive shift going on. UCLA can't compete at all.

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Speaker 2: Thank god they're moving to the Big Ten because the

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Speaker 2: home attendants will buoye their you know, their revenue, but

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Speaker 2: they have a debt service every year. They're they're in

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Speaker 1: Did you see the highlight of Deshaun Foster talking about that,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy because he was a high level college player,

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Speaker 1: was pretty it felt very UCLA right now and kind

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Speaker 1: Jake Rosenberg, who I was dming with this weekend, who

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Speaker 1: these contracts and his business will only grow exponentially quick

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Speaker 1: because again, obviously thirteen million is less than two hundred

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Speaker 1: But in terms of a high school kid, I mean

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Speaker 1: fall college recruiting right closer than I do. We have

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Speaker 1: wasn't the thing a couple of years ago with USC

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Speaker 2: It's a much bigger mess than anybody in the sports

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Speaker 2: media is talking about. It is a shit show. It is.

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Speaker 2: These schools are paying juniors in high school. Some of

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Speaker 2: these guys take the money and then they flip their

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Speaker 2: senior year to the school that comes to like an

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Speaker 2: general managers are coming. I think venture capitalists could own

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Speaker 2: chunks of college football programs. But it is is it's

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Speaker 2: pro football and the air thing. You know, the other

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Speaker 2: thing athletic directors are going to have to go through

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Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. John, All these sports

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Speaker 2: all lose money. So let's save money a lot. I

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Speaker 2: mean so, but it's hard because if let's say you

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Speaker 2: I think if you really privately asked athletic directors what

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Speaker 2: twenty five programs. You can't make money. And so I've

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Speaker 2: said years ago you should privatize football. But a lot

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Speaker 2: of the biggest boosters at these schools are not football boosters.

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Speaker 2: And so but I'm here to tell you there's guys

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Speaker 2: people are going to start calling them and say, do

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Speaker 2: you want to run the program? You're the GM, here's

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Speaker 2: a million a year. Just organize this stuff. Run our

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Speaker 2: burnout from crazy owners. There's a new industry starting in

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Speaker 2: college football. General managers are a year away from being

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why you're going to see it this year,

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Speaker 1: and it's only going to grow the next five years.

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Speaker 1: Is the wiping out of all the and them colleges.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to football. I was at the gym

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Speaker 1: was decked out in Washington State football gear. Kind of

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Speaker 1: made me sad, you know, I mean, we grew up

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Speaker 1: five years than they are back to Washington because the

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Speaker 1: money the SEC has made. I mean, look at the SEC,

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Speaker 1: the amount they pay college basketball coaches now, I mean

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Speaker 1: they're college basketball conference now. I fall college golf because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the top guys go on to the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour. All the college golf programs in the SEC

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Speaker 1: you know, and those programs go and the SEC gets

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Speaker 1: Florida State and Clemson over the next decade, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: wipe out the little guy. And I started at Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a snowballs chance in hell to survive.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's going to become the NFL light

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Speaker 1: because I get a lot of questions like why doesn't

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Speaker 1: the NFL invest in minor league football? So why would they?

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Speaker 1: College football produces all their talent and they don't have

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Speaker 1: they're spending all them and football, like you said, makes

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Speaker 1: all the money in college sports. It's it's also the

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Speaker 1: most expensive program to run. It's why you know where

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Northern California, Saint Mary's Santa Clara.

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Speaker 1: When I worked for Pat Hill, he played at Riverside.

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Speaker 1: you know, Piscopic School, Pacific. They all cut football after

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were bare bones. So it just becomes

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Speaker 1: they just don't. That's just the way kind of business works, right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at all these new contracts, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it really is interesting. I'm totally comfortable with Jordan loves

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Speaker 2: to A, and Green Bay almost always gets offense, right.

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Speaker 2: I really that's my bias, whereas too a smaller don't

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Speaker 2: love his arm, not his athletic and Miami screws stuff

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Speaker 2: up the two two hundred and twelve million dollars. I'm

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Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable with it. I don't think I would

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Speaker 2: time what Jay Glazer once said, the worst great job

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Speaker 2: in America is being a football coach. Driving to the

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Speaker 2: So I just think I trust the Packers, Jordan's bigger, stronger, faster,

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Speaker 2: better whip. Where are you on TUA twelve over four years?

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Speaker 2: Would you have gone there?

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Speaker 1: And one hundred and seventy million dollars guaranteed? Is insane

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Speaker 1: to me? I think there's two ways to look at it.

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Speaker 1: That contract to me is jaw dropping. I think most

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Speaker 1: that's insane because you have no shot to beat any

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Speaker 1: of the top quarterbacks who are all in your conference.

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Speaker 1: And we just saw last year you were like, what

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Speaker 1: the other Bills were six and six and they still

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Speaker 1: No. I think people often ask like, why have the

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm so interested in this, but

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Speaker 1: players in the like TJ. Watt feels like everyone likes

430
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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward's the man of the year, making Fitzpatrick's like

431
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Speaker 1: one of Saban's favorite players, and it doesn't feel like

432
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Speaker 1: those guys are going to be into this at all

433
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Speaker 1: at all. And the other thing is, let's face it,

434
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Speaker 1: Russell's more of a dink and dunk guy now and

435
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Speaker 1: they have explosive players on that roster. My guess is

436
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Speaker 1: I think we now who knows, We'll see if he

437
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Speaker 1: can by the time within a week and are on

438
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Speaker 1: if he's back at the starter. It would not shock

439
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: me if Justin Fields's starter very early on. I wouldn't

440
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: even put week one out of the realm possibility. They're

441
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Speaker 1: not invested into this player. I mean, they're in for

442
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Speaker 1: a million dollars, so it means you can't get a

443
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Speaker 1: player of his status any cheaper.

444
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Speaker 2: I love future bets. So two years ago, Minnesota was

445
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: at like eight and a half and I just sold

446
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Speaker 2: the farm. I said, that is a terrible mistake by Vegas.

447
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 2: They won thirteen. I think last year, I said, do

448
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: you realize the Rams were at six and a half

449
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: in Vegas? I said, Timeout, they're just an older Chiefs.

450
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: Great offensive coach, great quarterback, one great defensive lineman. Outside

451
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Speaker 2: of Cooper Cup, we don't know what they are, but

452
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: pretty good protection and kind of young on the defensive side.

453
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Speaker 2: I said, Now, Mahomes is better than Stafford, I said,

454
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Speaker 2: but they kind of line up with Kansas City, a

455
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Speaker 2: weaker version. They're winning eight nine games, so the team

456
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Speaker 2: this year, Listen, I don't think they're great. Denver's over

457
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: unders five and a half left tackle, excellent O line

458
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: was rented seventh by PFF. One of their guards is

459
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: top four in the league. Excellent offensive coach, two solid

460
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: NFL running backs, an elite corner in safety. Linebackers move well,

461
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: one good defensive lineman. They drafted an edge rusher that's

462
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Speaker 2: a weakness. Mims could be an excellent two. Courtland's sort

463
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Speaker 2: of a Week one, but two dependable receivers, service sole

464
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Speaker 2: tight ends. If bow Nicks just runs the plays, and

465
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Speaker 2: I do think there's a Drew Brees thing here. They

466
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Speaker 2: can't go seven and ten?

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that's that'd be a pretty easy overhammer.

468
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Speaker 1: There are some I can't they make the playoffs or

469
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Speaker 1: whatever with the rookie quarterbacks. It's different. Five five and

470
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Speaker 1: a half feels insanely low way looking. I was looking

471
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Speaker 1: on our friends at DraftKings I usually don't do over

472
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Speaker 1: unders because for me to get the juices flowing, you know,

473
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Speaker 1: the numbers got to be like five or ten thousand

474
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Speaker 1: dollars and I don't want to just have it sitting there.

475
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Speaker 1: But I saw something that I'm like, I'm all in

476
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Speaker 1: the Chargers to make the playoffs. Are plus one ten,

477
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Speaker 1: So you are You're not even having to pay a

478
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Speaker 1: vict You're getting plus one odds on this. This is

479
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: the best quarterback he's ever had. They invested in another

480
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, They're gonna be able to run the ball.

481
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Speaker 1: We know wherever he's gone. They've been good on defense

482
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Speaker 1: wherever they and let's face it, you get to ten

483
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Speaker 1: wins with that quarterback, you're probably the seventh seed. I

484
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: like them a lot more than the Dolphins this year.

485
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Speaker 1: I think that was my favorite. Just long term, I

486
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Speaker 1: think the charges are in the playoffs. I mean, Jim

487
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: Harbaugh has a long history. The other thing is I've

488
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Speaker 1: watched a lot of just Charger content Jim and I

489
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Speaker 1: was around him for a couple of years when I

490
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Speaker 1: kind of got into radio when he was with the Niners,

491
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Speaker 1: and I think early on Stanford s he had this

492
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Speaker 1: huge chip on his shoulder. He was just hard to

493
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Speaker 1: be around. I think, I don't know if it's the

494
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: championship for the last couple years in Michigan, he feels

495
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot lighter. I know, you know, the Spano says,

496
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: he feels a lot easier to be around. And there's

497
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: a looseness like a I don't know if it was insecurity,

498
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: but he just tried to beat this ball in the

499
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: China shot NonStop and it feels looser. But he clearly

500
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: is better at his craft now than he's ever been

501
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Speaker 1: in his entire life. And he's been good at it

502
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: since he started coaching. How are they not really good?

503
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: I actually think if you just go well, I can

504
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: see the Chiefs kind of just cruise control. I don't know.

505
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Speaker 1: They just won the last two Super Bowls. Is it

506
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Speaker 1: out of the wrong possibility they win the division?

507
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Speaker 2: Well, they were favored to win gold. But there's been

508
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Speaker 2: a lot of storylines with Team USA at the Olympics

509
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Speaker 2: in France. Jason Timph hoops tonight. So let's talk Embiid

510
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: who you know, when he comes into the league, there

511
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: was a sign early first couple of years can't play

512
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: it unhealthy. So it's like, uh, oh, biggs get hurt early.

513
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: Biggs usually get hurt often, so he's always had an

514
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Speaker 2: injury history. But most bigs eventually do right, like almost

515
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Speaker 2: all of them, y'aw ming shack just Greg Odin Sam

516
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: Booie couldn't get on the floor, Like it's the position.

517
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: People probably aren't built to last at seven to two,

518
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, or shack size with those feet back. It

519
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: wears out, Like I get it, But Embiid presents something

520
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: else beyond the injuries, and because he is more dynamic

521
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: and more fun to watch than Jokic or a Yiannis,

522
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Speaker 2: and there is a shack component with with better ball

523
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Speaker 2: handling skills. There is also something that I find my

524
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: eyes keep telling me this when I watch the Sixers.

525
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Speaker 5: Is that?

526
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Speaker 2: And the Olympics just heighten this is that they can

527
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: keep running coaches through Philly and teammates through Philly. I

528
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: mean even Ben Simmons for a while, he wasn't All

529
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Speaker 2: Star like his first year right, like Ben did have promise.

530
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Speaker 1: They were good. Is that?

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Embiid really needs to stay closer from the basket,

532
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: so coaches kind of pushed a d out for a

533
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: couple of years. It was like fashionable and Ady didn't

534
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: good shooting from out there. A D said, I want

535
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: to go back, and he has been for two years.

536
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Speaker 1: A monster.

537
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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, the most underrated player in the

538
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Olympics and the league right now is ad. He is

539
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: just turn the sound down watch you can't if he's

540
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: on the floor. It's like Lebron, you can't take your

541
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Speaker 2: eyes off him. He's dominant. Embiid to me, somebody has

542
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: to just acknowledge fella. Get away from the perimeter. He

543
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 2: fashions himself or is told that he is such an

544
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: important part sometimes of perimeter basketball. He's big, he's aging,

545
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: he's not as quick. I thought he literally got in

546
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: the way of this offense. I'd seen it in Philly,

547
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: but it was so profound with this team. It bothered me.

548
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm screaming at the TV, get him out of the game.

549
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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Embiid and are any of these valid?

550
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: That I watch him offensively. I know the numbers probably

551
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: say is great, but he can he stops. I just

552
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: feel like he can stop offenses too often.

553
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Speaker 5: So it's both. It's the jump shot and it's the

554
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: ball movement piece. The jump shot piece. This has been

555
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Speaker 5: a consistent story in Embiad's career, especially over the previous

556
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Speaker 5: couple of years. This last year he actually shot the

557
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 5: ball okay against the Knicks, But like in the previous

558
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 5: couple of seasons, he would shoot like fifty percent on

559
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 5: these like mid range pull up jump shots in the

560
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 5: regular season, but then he'd get in front of Al

561
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Speaker 5: Horford and he couldn't make them like he would he

562
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: would struggle to knock him down in the posts. That

563
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: was a consistent theme, and be you would get to

564
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 5: the postseason, his jump shot would go away. And one

565
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: of the biggest things that he never built out the

566
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Speaker 5: way Jokic did is those short range shots, the hooks,

567
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: the floaters, all that stuff that like six exactly, and

568
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 5: those are way more dependable in this kind of setting.

569
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Speaker 5: The second piece of it is learning how to play

570
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: basketball with other people. This is a this is an

571
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: epidemic around the league with certain guys, and we see this.

572
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 5: It's kind of like this with Luca a little bit

573
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 5: with more of a perimeter sense, but we see it

574
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: with Embiid where it's like, as long as everything is

575
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Speaker 5: flowing through him and he's deciding every single possession, he

576
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Speaker 5: has this otherworldly value as almost like a force of nature. So,

577
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Speaker 5: for instance, if you took Ad or Bam and you

578
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Speaker 5: put them on last year's Sixers team with Tyrese Maxi,

579
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Speaker 5: they're not as good because you can't just give the

580
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 5: ball to Ad and Bam like every single possession and

581
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Speaker 5: ask them to determine outcomes. They're not good enough on

582
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Speaker 5: the offensive end of the floor. But when you're actually

583
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Speaker 5: playing with people other good basketball players, and this will

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Speaker 5: be really interesting this year with Paul George now in

585
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 5: the equation when you actually need to keep everybody in

586
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 5: rhythm and there's ball in player movement, and Be for

587
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: lack of a better term, sucks at that style of basketball.

588
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: He doesn't know how to play quick decision making flowing

589
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: from side to side, and especially at the center position

590
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: in modern NBA basketball, when you play five out, the

591
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: center is the bridge between the two sides of the floor.

592
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 5: He's the guy who has to catch and turn and

593
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: go to the other guard and flow on the other side.

594
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 5: So when you're trying to keep Booker and Steph and

595
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Speaker 5: Lebron and all these guys in rhythm at the same time,

596
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Speaker 5: it's better to have a guy like Ad who his

597
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: entire life has been a screen and roll big. He's

598
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: going to pitch the ball to the other side, set

599
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: a screen, roll hard to the rim, run up and

600
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 5: down the floor, and transition. It's a foot speed thing.

601
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: It's a decision making thing. You put him in this

602
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: setting and it's just a completely different kind of basketball

603
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 5: than what he was doing for the Sixers last year.

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Speaker 5: And it's quite frankly, he has years of needing to

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Speaker 5: learn how to play that style if he's ever gonna

606
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Speaker 5: play in more of a five out, read and react

607
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Speaker 5: type of system.

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Speaker 2: So during copa team a struggled and I not to

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Speaker 2: make an excuse or defend Greg Berhalt or the coach

617
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Speaker 2: at the time, but our style is more European. We

618
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Speaker 2: have more players now soccer players in America playing in

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Speaker 2: Europe and flourishing. So COPA is a smaller, shorter field.

620
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Speaker 2: It didn't play to our space, our strength, which is

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Speaker 2: speed and spacing. So as we've become more skilled and

622
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Speaker 2: more European, which is the Goldwyn World Cup, COPA has

623
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Speaker 2: become a bad tournament for US, which is a grittier,

624
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: lower ranked teams, more physical soccer. Similarly, Steph with FIBA

625
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: three point shooting is almost it plays with your head.

626
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: It's closer, it's more physical, you don't get the whistle,

627
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Speaker 2: more physicality allowed. And as I watch Steph struggle, it's

628
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: not like Tatum struggling. It's not a confidence issue. It's

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Speaker 2: a is it possible that FIBA Olympic basketball isn't really

630
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Speaker 2: it's not really built necessarily for Steph all the time.

631
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Speaker 2: I mean, Lebron's good everywhere, but as stuff struggles, I'm

632
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: how do I reconcile that he's a great shooter. It's

633
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: closer he should be shooting the lights out, he's not.

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Speaker 5: Why so Sudan in particular, and I think their reputation

635
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 5: obviously that them as an organization within FIBA don't have

636
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Speaker 5: the reputation of the other great European teams or South

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Speaker 5: American teams that we faced over the years, Like even

638
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Speaker 5: back in the old days when it was like Argentina,

639
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 5: you know that that was or France that was given

640
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 5: his issues, they don't have that history. But I think

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Speaker 5: South Sudan is the most athletic team in this field

642
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Speaker 5: by far, Like they have just an enormous amount of

643
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 5: fast dudes with really long wingspans. They're athletic by NBA standards,

644
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Speaker 5: let alone by FEBA standards. And so what if you

645
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: remember last year when Golden State needed to get some

646
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: big wins down the stretch of the season, the two

647
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: teams that were giving them a lot of trouble were

648
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: Sacramento and New Orleans, two teams that were really fast

649
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: and really long on the perimeter. And that's like kind

650
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: of one of those things whereas Steph has aged, he's

651
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 5: become a little bit susceptible to specific types of matchups,

652
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 5: particularly teams that are that are closing those gaps on him.

653
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 5: And then the piece you mentioned about spacing is real,

654
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: Like the lack of a defensive three seconds is a

655
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: real thing that people aren't factoring in. So I put

656
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 5: it simply, the vast majority of teams, when they're spacing,

657
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 5: will put their big man on the opposite block from

658
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 5: where the ball is, and so with defensive three seconds,

659
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 5: that defender has to step in and out of the

660
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 5: lane on the far end of the court, whereas in

661
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 5: FIBA he can park his ass right underneath the basket

662
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 5: and he doesn't have to move at all whatsoever. And

663
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: so this, by the way, is why I'm far more

664
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Speaker 5: concerned about teams like Germany and France or even Serbia

665
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 5: against USA than a team like Canada who just doesn't

666
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 5: have the bigs to deal with USA underneath the basket.

667
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 5: Teams that can park big bodies under the rim can

668
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: force you to make jump shots. And as soon as

669
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: you force a team to make jump shots, they can

670
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: go cold, they can have issues, which is what happening

671
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Speaker 5: in South Sudan last time. But yeah, as far as

672
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: Steph goes like he, I mean, we let's put it.

673
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Speaker 5: Let's put it straight up, Colin. He struggled most of

674
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 5: the tail end of the season last year too, so

675
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 5: this is an extension of that. And I'm really hoping

676
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Speaker 5: as a basketball fan that this is just a blip

677
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 5: and he's going to figure it out, because I really

678
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: want the Warriors to be interesting next year.

679
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Speaker 2: You know, when you have a bunch of kids. I

680
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: have six in my life, the early years can be

681
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: frustrating and a lot of work. But what's fascinating about

682
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: the early years is kids make giants social and emotional

683
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: and physical leaps in nine months. I mean, my son

684
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: had a biting stage, he had a coughing stage where

685
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: he would make coughing noises, and I always told my wife,

686
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's just just nine year old boys go

687
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: through weird, weird you know sizes.

688
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just do.

689
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Speaker 2: Like And I want to use that as sort of

690
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: a pivot to watching young NBA players, is that when

691
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: they're eighteen nineteen twenty, the players just come back of

692
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: an off and off season and you're like, damn, he

693
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: got a joke. So I'm watching Wemby and I feel

694
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: like I'm watching a kid grow, Like I'm watching him

695
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: in some of these games and I'm like, oh, this

696
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: is terrifying for the league. Like he you go to

697
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: his first month in the league, and now Jason offensively,

698
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: he plays with so much more confidence. Defensively, he's blocking

699
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: stuff with his elbow. He is now way more aggressive

700
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: and asserting himself. And I'm watching this and I'm like

701
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: I said, by the trade deadline, I said this on

702
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: our previous podcast, By the trade deadline, he and Ann

703
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: will be the faces of the league. I'm not sure

704
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: it's going to take that long. Like, Jokich is still

705
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: the best player. His ability to not only dominate but

706
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: compliment other players and elevate them, it kind of separates

707
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: Lebron's magic certain guys. I would say Michael didn't make

708
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: everybody better, not every teammate, Lebron Magic, Jokic, Chris Paul,

709
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: every teammate's better. You play your best with him, And

710
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: now we get Chris Paul with Wemby. But I'm watching

711
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: him and maybe it's maybe I don't see him as

712
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: much as you do. I'm seeing major jumps from Wemby

713
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: even in these Olympics.

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Speaker 5: No. Absolutely, they've been running a lot more offense through

715
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: him than you would expect. And a big part of

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Speaker 5: that is France doesn't have an amazing guard corps like

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00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 5: Evan Fournier is their best guard, a guy who couldn't

718
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 5: crack the rotation for the Micks last year, right, So, like,

719
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 5: but what they're doing in a lot of cases is

720
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: they're feeding him at the elbow and they're like running

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00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 5: literally ball screens like the way you would typically with

722
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Speaker 5: a point guard in a center. They're running with him

723
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 5: and gobaer at the foul line, and they're letting him

724
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: determine the outcome of possessions. They're throwing it to him

725
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: down on the blocks. He's become a lot quicker at

726
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 5: like reading the floor and making reads then I would

727
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: expect a player at his age. And part of this

728
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 5: I think has a lot to do with him playing

729
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 5: professionally as opposed to coming up through the college system,

730
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 5: Like he's just been around a lot of really smart

731
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 5: basketball minds in his development. The big one to me

732
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: that stands out is the dude is just a savage

733
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 5: competitor and is not scared of the moment. Like he

734
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: was kind of on the back burner for a good

735
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: portion of that second half against Japan, and then it

736
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 5: went to ot and he just took over. Immediately was

737
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 5: demanding the ball in the block, got an and one,

738
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: he missed a three on the right wing, and then

739
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: immediately called for the ball back and knocked one down

740
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 5: at the top of the key. He's got like just

741
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: incredible scoring polish all over the floor. He's handling physicality

742
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 5: really really well. Obviously you mentioned the defensive stuff, even

743
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: it's hard to even describe. It doesn't even look like

744
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 5: other NBA players that have come before him.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I think I think we got to think long and

747
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: hard about him being a top ten player right now,

748
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: right now, and then I think right and I think

749
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 5: by the deadline next year, we could be talking about

750
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: a guy who's who's second team All NBA. Like this

751
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 5: is a real, a real potential outcome for him. In

752
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: the short term.

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Speaker 2: You put a bunch of alphas together, and some alphas

754
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: will shrink and some alphas will rise. Lebron is now

755
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: the best player on this team. It's like it's now,

756
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: it's gone past. But what's interesting is that Nick Wright

757
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: said this to me today on the show in FS one.

758
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: He said, deep down, Lebron may realize these are the

759
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: last games of his career that people are really gonna watch,

760
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: like have a huge audience and are gonna matter and listen.

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Speaker 2: You and I have been critical of the executive wing

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Speaker 2: of the Lakers, AD and Lebron on any given game

763
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Speaker 2: that I've watched Team USA are the two best players

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Speaker 2: and they're struggling to win a playoff game. It's really frustrating.

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Speaker 2: There's Jeremy Grant may come to town. He would be

766
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Speaker 2: a solid three, a better a four on a really,

767
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: really good team. He's probably a four, not a three.

768
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: But be that as it may. But I as I

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00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: watched Lebron, what it tells me is he's not having

770
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: to fight to be the alpha. He is so respected

771
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: that other young players are like, hey, big fella, you

772
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: run the offense. I mean, I mean like Magic and

773
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Michael when they went together, they were fighting. They Magic

774
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: didn't want to give up the baton, Michael grabbed it,

775
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: like even Ant. All these guys, it's like, no, no,

776
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: this is Lebron's. This is Lebron's world. And I know

777
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: you're not surprised by it, but it it does jump

778
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: out of the TV, does it not.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad everyone's seeing it too. First of all, to

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Speaker 5: what Nick said, I agree. I think Lebron has always

781
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: been very aware of the narrative surrounding him, and I

782
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 5: think that he saw an opportunity here to be like,

783
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 5: if I am the best player on Team USA, it

784
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 5: will resonate with people for a long time. And for

785
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Speaker 5: the record, I think Lebron came right out of the

786
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: season and started prepping forward. He looks like he's in

787
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: great shape, and.

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00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: Man, he is flexing every other time down the floor.

789
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Speaker 5: I know, like he's he clearly prepped for this as

790
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 5: though it was an NBA playoff run. Like that is

791
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: abundantly clear. And he and he's and he's playing at

792
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 5: that crazy high level. I'm glad you mentioned the Lakers

793
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 5: because like so many people are like, oh, they're they're

794
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 5: a playing team. They're this, they're that, and it's like, guys,

795
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 5: the reason they're a playing team is they don't have

796
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 5: a single player on the roster other than Lebron and

797
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: AD who can play both ends of the floor. That's

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00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 5: literally why they've struggled. It is a personnel issue. It

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00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 5: is not a Lebron James and Anthony Davis issue. Those

800
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 5: two pull their weight. They pulled their weight in a

801
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 5: major way last season, and the organization is what let

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00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: them down. And so I don't really see it that way.

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00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 5: As far as as far as Lebron with his team

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00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: USA context, what's been super fascinating from a basketball perspective

805
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 5: is what you're seeing is what it would look like

806
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: to run five out offense with all the ball and

807
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 5: player movements, Steph lying off of screens with the best

808
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: playmaker of this era, kind of orchestrating it at the

809
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: top of the key. He's not taking a ton of shots.

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00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 5: He's seeing his openings and he's shooting the gap and

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00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 5: he's attacking the basket right, but they're they're ducking under

812
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 5: all those picks at the top of the key. He's

813
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 5: not jacking up threes and hijacking possessions. He's just reading

814
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 5: the floor as Steph is running around and as Devin

815
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 5: Booker's running around and waiting for guys to make mistakes.

816
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: One of the most classic decisions that you'll see from

817
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: that part of the floor is Steph runs off a

818
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 5: screen and the guy screens for him. If those defenders

819
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: make a mistake, that guy can slip it, and Lebron

820
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: is just making reads based on what the mistake the

821
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 5: defense has made. And so it's kind of like a

822
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: juiced up version of Draymond with the Warriors, but surrounded

823
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 5: by all of these, you know, world class types of players,

824
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 5: and it's been the perfect role for him and then

825
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: quite frankly, to your point, and this is where it

826
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: gets really scary, Colin. I would argue, KD and Lebron

827
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 5: and Steph have been the only consistent offensive forces on

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00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 5: this team, and we've been disappointed by Jason Tatum. Anthony

829
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: Edwards has given us some mixed results. There's been good games,

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00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: there's been bad games. I think it's just a bad

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00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: look that here in the year twenty twenty four, Steph,

832
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 5: Lebron and KD are playing the way they are and

833
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: the younger generation is struggling to keep up. It's like,

834
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 5: thank God for a band being as good as they've been,

835
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: because it's just been It's been a disappointing performance from

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00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 5: some of the younger American players.

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Speaker 1: The volume.

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