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Speaker 1: Triplet ranking. The Bengals Oh Joe are number one thanks

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Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow, running back, Chase Brown's and Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles are number two. Jalen Hurts, sa Kwan Barkley,

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown, Baltimore Ravens are number three, Lamarjackson, Derrick Henry,

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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, Detroit Lions are number four, Jared Goff, Jamir Gibbs, Munross,

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown, and rounding out the top five is the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco and Rashie Rice. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: we've got ten. Buffalo was number six, Josh Allen, James Cook,

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Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir Rams number seven, Matthew Stafford, Tyn Williams, Hooka Nakua,

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Speaker 1: the forty nine, Ers, Banks, the Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: George Kittle, number nine, Baker Mayfield, Bucke Irving, Bucky Irving,

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans rounding out the top ten, Dak Prescott, Jafonte

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Speaker 2: Yeah, any objections? You like it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, as much as I love my Bengals,

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Speaker 3: there's no reason we should be number one. There's no

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Speaker 3: reason we should be number one. Number one should be

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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, listen, Number one should be the

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 4: Listen. I love Chase Brown and obviously Joe does does.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close, especially and obviously, and not to

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Speaker 3: be rude, not to be disrespectful, but where were the

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Speaker 3: Ravens again?

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Speaker 2: Ravens was three.

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Speaker 3: I would put the Ravens in front of it. I

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Speaker 3: would put the Ravens in front of in front of

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Speaker 3: the Bengals as well.

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Speaker 1: Hell, you could make a case Detroit should go in

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Speaker 1: front of the Bengals with Gibbs.

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Speaker 4: Who was the three who was the three for the

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Speaker 4: for the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Jered gob Gibbs and Brown.

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Speaker 3: And listen and that's inter chageable over there you can

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Speaker 3: go Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, if anything, to be fair, I'd put

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Speaker 3: the Bengals maybe at four maybe five.

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Speaker 2: O Joe. This is why I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying because I think the gap between the

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Speaker 1: running backs, yes, it's greater than the distance between Chase

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Speaker 1: and say I'm in Ross Saint Brown or Chase and

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Speaker 1: A j Brown or Chase and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and Zay Flowers. That's that's that's why I think Bengals

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Speaker 1: should be Look. Uh, and there's not a gap. There's

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Speaker 1: not that big of a gap. If there is a

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Speaker 1: gap between Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. Now if you

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Speaker 1: want to say, okay, Lamar jayalen Hurst doesn't throw the ball,

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Speaker 1: but that's not their offense.

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Speaker 4: Not their game.

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Speaker 1: But Chase Chase, Chase Brown with the running back position.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about Derrick Henry talking about Saint Kuon

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Speaker 3: Gibbs, No man, Yeah, yeah, listen. As much as I

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Speaker 3: love my Bangals, I'm fair, I'm gonna be fair and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be gotta be I'm gonna be fair.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be realistic.

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Speaker 1: But yes, Now, when you talk about Khalil Shakiir and

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Speaker 1: the receiving position, I think that, come on, now, Chase,

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Speaker 1: that's like Chase. That's like Brown with Kuan Derrick, Henry

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Speaker 1: Jamiir Gibbs. When you talk about Chase and Khalil Shakir. Now,

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Speaker 1: now we're onto something. McCaffrey's kind of hard to have

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Speaker 1: forty nine event any higher for the simple fact of

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ye, I like the Bucks made it. The Bucks should

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Speaker 1: have made it. Yeah, Baker played extremely since he's been

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Speaker 1: in Tampa, Baker Mayfield has played extremely well. Let's give

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Speaker 1: credit where credit is due. I have no problem that

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Speaker 1: he's found a home, he's found someone that believed in it,

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Speaker 1: and give him an opportunity and he gets to be

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Speaker 1: maker Baker Mayfield, the Baker Mayfield that we saw at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: We get to see this guy now. Yeah, the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a problem. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: what was the running back before Javonte Williams got there?

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Speaker 4: All, well, your guess as good as mine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, Rick o'dondell Okay, I look, okay, ten Okay,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Dak, But Dak's coming out of an injury. Also,

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Speaker 1: Javontay Williams was Now he's another year removed from that

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Speaker 1: knee injury. He didn't play very well as last year

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Speaker 1: in Denver. We understand CD Y CD.

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Speaker 4: Is absolutely and we'll talk about that later on when

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Speaker 4: the season get around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you, Ojo the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: It's just a mere fact that Chase the gap between

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Speaker 1: se Kuan Derrick Henry is a bigger gap between Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 1: aj Brown, Jamar Chase and Jason Z Flowers.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And so with that being said, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I get it. Joe Burrow had a history. He led

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Speaker 1: the league and passing touchdowns. Last year he led the

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Speaker 1: league in passing yards. And I understand Chase Chase won

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Speaker 1: the Triple Crown. Yes, but how many yards did Chase

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown have Because one guy had two thousand, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question, and another.

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Speaker 2: Guy had nineteen twenty one.

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Speaker 1: And Jamiir Gibbs, even after splitting carries, probably had thirteen

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Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy, imagine.

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Speaker 1: So I think the gap with the running back gap,

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Speaker 1: there's a bigger gap between the running back Kwon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: Derreck Henry, Jamiir Gibbs, and Chase Brown. And there is

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Speaker 1: between Jamar Chase Zave Flowers, A. J. Brown and I'm

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Speaker 1: in Ross Saint Brown. That's just me now, Chad. I mean,

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Speaker 1: y'all can have that it. Y'all can chop it up.

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Speaker 1: Y'all cauld agree or disagree with Ojo. And I said,

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Speaker 1: but had I think the Eagles, I would I would

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Speaker 1: put the Eagles one.

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Speaker 2: I would put the Ravens two. Now three and three.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm having I'm really having to think about three.

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Speaker 1: And that's between Detroit and Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: O Yo, that's just, you know, honestly, because Detroit, and

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Speaker 3: this is no disrespect to Chase Brown, good good running back.

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Speaker 3: I'm putting Detroit at three simply because they had that

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Speaker 3: doubleheaded monster. You could just pick who you want to

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Speaker 3: go with whenever this purpose may be. They God, damn

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Speaker 3: Jamiir gibbson and Amn Ron golf is special yes, it's special.

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Speaker 1: How many ares they Chase Brown had last year? Nine

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Speaker 1: ninety okay he was ten from a thousand. One guy

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Speaker 1: had two thousand, the other guy had nineteen twenty one. Yeah, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: look the bill. I don't I don't really have a

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Speaker 1: problem with anybody else that's on this list because we're

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Speaker 1: looking down.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we looked down. Who else could could?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: The Texans? C J. Stroud, Joe Go.

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Speaker 4: College College, That's that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Tank Bigsby, Brian Thomas Jr. Okay, you will leave

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I okay, take him off. They got a triples,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't it doesn't deserve to make the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about Washington too? Oh? Jane Daniels, Terry McClory,

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Speaker 2: Brian Robinson, Brian Robinson. They was twelve.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's that's fair. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: The Dolphins, you got a chan, you got Riek, you

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Speaker 1: got tour. Yeah m hm no, no, not in front

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Speaker 1: of the cowboys. You don't think, you don't think.

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Speaker 4: And from the crowd in front of the cowboys, Yes.

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Speaker 2: That's what. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they should be a top five. But

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, okay, okay. If I thought you were

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Speaker 3: saying top five, I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no no, Commander's nord.

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Speaker 1: The other team should be top five because although a

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Speaker 1: change expected, no commanders can't because Brian Robinson. Let me see,

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Speaker 1: would I take Brian Robinson over Chase Brown?

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not taking over sat Quan. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking it there and I'm not and I'm

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Speaker 1: not taking you know, I love Terry McLure, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not taking them over Za Flowers or A J. Or.

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Speaker 2: I'm ra I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa slow down, slow down?

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Speaker 2: Got you take him over A J.

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Speaker 2: You hold on?

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Speaker 4: You say you're not taking Tim mclauran over Saint Brown.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think I take him over Saint Brown

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Speaker 1: because it's you know what else. Let me tell you why.

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Speaker 1: It's hard because one one play specifically outside, the other.

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Speaker 2: Is mainly inside.

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Speaker 1: And so you look at Aman rah Arm and Rad

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Speaker 1: had what one hundred and probably fifteen catches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 1: He's customarily always over one hundred catches because he's the slot.

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Speaker 2: So what was it? What was his numbers?

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Speaker 1: I'm and raw, look you look up, Look up Terry

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Speaker 1: McClure's that's that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, Uh t Max. I'm gonna call

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Speaker 3: him t Mac, call him Team Max. I can't call

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Speaker 3: him Scary Tarry right now. I ain't call them scary

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Speaker 3: Tarry until they pay him to the.

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Speaker 1: Okay, am Roth was second in catches right, fifteen yards,

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Speaker 1: third in touchdowns?

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Speaker 4: What he had in what do you had in yards by?

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Speaker 2: What? Twelve sixty three?

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Speaker 4: How many catches?

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Speaker 2: Second in catches?

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Speaker 4: FI? God, yes, oh boy them boy? Ain't theybe one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen passes?

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Speaker 2: No, that's another fifteen catcher.

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Speaker 1: He probably have one hundred and forty five to one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty targets.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: I'm I wish, I wish I would was able to

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Speaker 3: do the math. If you take my best season, whatever

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Speaker 2: You man only handful of teams running that.

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Speaker 1: don't know if y'all seen Denver's offense and a whole

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Speaker 2: But two? And but the Eagles and and Baltimore should

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Speaker 3: Well hold on three. I'm doing Detroit at three and

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Speaker 3: I'm putting my Bengals four.

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Speaker 2: But me no brainer is Eagles at one, Baltimore two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we talked about Washington, we talked about

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Speaker 2: And I think I know Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta didn't really have the quarterback situation because I can't

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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, Yeah, I'm not sure about Minnesota. I know

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Speaker 1: I ain't seen him throwing out one NFL pass?

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Speaker 4: We just we just saw with why why why am

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Speaker 2: Uh? Oh you're talking about for Minnesota? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: From last year? Why am I drawing a blank? In Seattle?

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Speaker 2: Now? Uh? What Sam Donald? Sam Donald?

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Speaker 3: We saw Sam Donald in New York. Yeah, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: We saw what he did with the Minnesota Vikings last year.

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Speaker 4: In and do. But still there justin Jefferson is still there.

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Speaker 1: He gonna be all right.

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Speaker 4: He can he can sling it.

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Speaker 3: You ain't really got to do much when you're when

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Speaker 4: But what's around you is so great. All you have

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Speaker 1: Sam Sam Donald had a historic season.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure about the quarterback position. I'm just

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Speaker 3: But they do have Najie Harris. Now that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: David Montgomery says Detroit Lions are tired of being close

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Speaker 1: Everybody's tired of being close. It's cool to be close

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Speaker 2: That we need to finish.

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Speaker 4: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 3: Do me do me a small favorite. Let me make

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Speaker 3: You don't read the whole thing. Just give me, give me,

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Speaker 3: give me, give me, give me bullet points.

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Speaker 2: He said. He's tired that.

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Speaker 1: He says, everybody basically in the Detroit organization right are

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Speaker 1: You don't want to get comfortable so we don't want

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Speaker 1: We wanted the vision. Right, he's saying that's not good enough. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 3: Even with you losing, losing Ben Johnson, losing Aaron Glenn,

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Speaker 3: When it comes to scheme, when you have certain coaches

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Speaker 3: They can still play that. God damn, Bryan Branch still

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Speaker 4: Laporta, they all still there on that offense. So whoever's

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking for them to do exactly what was said. Now.

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Speaker 3: you going home regardless, you are you going home regardless,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the team that have lost coordinators

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Speaker 2: Charlie Weiss, we won, still going.

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Speaker 1: you lost. Remember what was that They ended up losing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fine.

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Speaker 3: But the key, the key component of what you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that chess.

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Speaker 4: Table is twelve. As long as well was there, it

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Speaker 2: It's basically looking at Jared Goff's twelve though.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you know what, You're right, But the resurgence

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Speaker 4: In So he might not be twelve, but he's good

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Speaker 4: enough to get it done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ninety four, the forty nine ers lost Mike shanahand to

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Speaker 2: But they had Steve, they had Jerry, they had Ricky Waters,

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Speaker 1: You go back and look at that roster. You're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: People don't realize how good Ricky Waters was.

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Speaker 4: He was nice.

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Speaker 2: He was nice because he was in he was in

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Speaker 1: And I think I think the thing that hurt him

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Speaker 1: And you know they they, you know, the voters kind

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00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: of held that against it. But he could play. Oh yeah,

441
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: he could do it all. He could run the ball

442
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: between the tackles, he can get outside, he could damn

443
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: sure you could catch it, you know.

444
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: Ricky Water was, he was nice. Ricky.

445
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: Ricky Waters reminds me of Eric Dickinson in a sense.

446
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: He ran upright, run, he ran up right. His knees

447
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 3: was real high.

448
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was, he was. He was sweet with the name.

449
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: Ricky was sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

450
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: Ricky was the forty nine ers Seattle, Seattle, and he

451
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: ended up going to the Philly.

452
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

453
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't even I don't remember Ricky Waters

454
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: in the Philly. I remember Seattle in the forty nine ers, though,

455
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: clear as that you don't remember him Philly, No, yeah,

456
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 3: not at all. Remember I remember speaking of forty nine

457
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: remember right of Craigs, and we talked about running back

458
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: Roger Craig.

459
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Roger was a he from Nebraska. Yeah, he had

460
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: He was the first one that I mean, you saw

461
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 1: with that those hot knees, high knees.

462
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: Yep, A very very what's the word.

463
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: You was the first thousand thousand rushed four thousand and

464
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: four thousand, and then Marshall did it, I think in

465
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: ninety nine, and then see Mac did it.

466
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: What's Max in Carolina?

467
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christian mccaffre, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, but

468
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: you're you're right.

469
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: You know, look, everybody says you have to take steps.

470
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, don't show there very few

471
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: times that the first time you get to the playoffs

472
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: and you go win it right, normally you have to

473
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: have some setbacks. You have to get you have to

474
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: have stars, you have to get hardened right and know

475
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: what it takes that when the rubber needs to meet

476
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: the role, you don't bubble up. So they're saying, hold

477
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: on this this is our time, right, you feel readically

478
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: you should have won it the year before you had them.

479
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: You had the ford and Is on the road, on

480
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: the road that was the one, Oh Joe, that you

481
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: let slip away. Those are the ones that hurt, you

482
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: know what, because they know guarantee, people like, oh yeah

483
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: they'll be back road. It's not you don't get you

484
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: don't get the start. You don't get to pick up

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: where you're left.

486
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: You got to start all over, all over them. You

487
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: gotta start all over.

488
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: You know what I do like about the Lion Zoe,

489
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: where I think they were always being contention. I think

490
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: they're always being contention every year simply because of the coach,

491
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: simply because.

492
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 4: Of Dan Campbell.

493
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: Now that's one thing, or there's one thing to have

494
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: the players that have the positions and the skill sets.

495
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: You got your quarterback in place, Dan Campbell, his willingness,

496
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: not being scared, willing to drop his cohonas, willing to

497
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: go forward in a certain situations where other coaches wouldn't.

498
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell saying, you know what if analytics, f stats,

499
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: f all that, I'm gonna play game winning football and

500
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: go for it because I believe in my guys offensively,

501
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: I believe him on in Defensively. I really really like

502
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: those dudes in Detroit, Man that run through wall of

503
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell.

504
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Man.

505
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, but it's tough. I remember, and we went

506
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game in ninety one. YEA lost

507
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: ten to seven to Buffalo Man. We got to a

508
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: great start the next year, old Shoe. I mean, I

509
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: think at one point in time we might have been

510
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: seven and one. That was the ball day. We lost

511
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: seven straight games. John got hurt. We lost seven straight games. Hey,

512
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: who is the backup man? We were splitting quarterbacks Tommy

513
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Maddox and Sean Moore.

514
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: Wait, Tommy Maddis was nice. Tommy played in Pittsburgh.

515
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: Right, he wasn't nice when he was with us in

516
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Denver though, I'm sorry he wasn't nice when he Yeah,

517
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: we missed that part. He became nice after he started

518
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: having to sell insurance.

519
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.

520
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, you know, you become motivated.

521
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: You know, a broken heart, an empty wallet, you know,

522
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: and and an empty stomach. It's tremendous motivation when you're

523
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL and all of a sudden, two years

524
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: later you're not in the NFL and you're selling insurance.

525
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: Big car, homeowners of life, life.

526
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: Man, if I get another opportunity to owe you, I'm

527
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: not gonna squader this one. And he made the most

528
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: of it. He ended up getting hurt, and then Ben

529
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: came in and the rest is as they say history.

530
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: But I think if I'm not mistaken. He did win

531
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year, and then I don't know, well,

532
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: coach Reives got this from coach Landry. Coach Landry used

533
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: to rotate quarterbacks Roger Stalback and Craig Morton. So I've

534
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: seen rotating running backs, rotate tight ends, rotate receivers. But

535
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: how to hell you one quarterback come in the play

536
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: and run it, then he go back out, they bring

537
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: another quarterback in.

538
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: I think it's I think I think we won. I

539
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: think we were like when John got hurt. Oh, y'all.

540
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: I think we were like seventy one seventy two.

541
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: And lost that when he got back huh and lost

542
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: seven straight yep. Hey, what that quarterback position is is

543
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: some specially everything.

544
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: It's something special.

545
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: And then Dan ends up getting fired.

546
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Wade comes in, We make the playoffs in ninety three, Yeah,

547
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: we missing ninety four, Wade gets fired, Dan comes in.

548
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: I think we go eight and eight, and then next

549
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: year we go thirteen and three. We lose the divisional

550
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: round to Jacksonville. We win the next two years. That's

551
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: that's still the most painful loss of all the losses.

552
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: And hey, I've taken my share of els, but that's

553
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: the most painful loss that I've that I've had in

554
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: a I still well, I know how we lost it.

555
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: How'd you lose?

556
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: Easy? Easy? Man?

557
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: They were, oh, your dad just been a team. Dad

558
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: just been a franchise. It had just become a franchise

559
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: in ninety five.

560
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn.

561
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

562
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: And here they like and they they roll up in there,

563
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: and it's all on me. I played terrible that day. Yeah,

564
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: conversion dropped the third down.

565
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: Damn. I was some slow man. That's on me. That's

566
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: all me. Oh Joe, that's all me.

567
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: Man, Oh Joe, you know you, Oh Joe, you know

568
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: I had this shallow cross on you. I had better

569
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: move on you know. I stood back to line, you know.

570
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Oh you know I do. I like h And then

571
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I took off it, don't you and

572
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: John and John threw it. So in the process of

573
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: me catching it like this, moving it, it hit my

574
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: knee and flew up. Lord have mercy because I've been

575
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: hit the corner. I've been hit that cone on it

576
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: and be gone.

577
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, damn.

578
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, that's one of the worst. That's one of

579
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: the worst feelings man, to drop a ball in the

580
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: middle of the game and hit and the whole crowd say, oh.

581
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh, because I had just came off. Oh, I just

582
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: came off one of the great seasons. You know, eighty catches,

583
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: over one thousand yards, double digit touchdowns. Mike sat me

584
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: out the last game and say, look, I want you

585
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: to get healthy.

586
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: I was like, man, oh, y'all were feeling so good too.

587
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: I just like, oh, I had caught a touchdown earlier.

588
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: Oh choe, So I was feeling I was feeling good.

589
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

590
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: And you know how there, man, you drop a pass

591
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you getting your own down. Yeah,

592
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, way, I dropped that one, man, But

593
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: that one, that one that would hurt because then you know,

594
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: we went on the street. We won, like what, we

595
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: went seventh straight, and then I went to Baltimore. We

596
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: won four straight and then we won the next game.

597
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: Well we beat Miami the next year. But I just

598
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: go to show you, oh your bad. Well I'm I'm

599
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: in Baltimore in the first year. You know, we you know,

600
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: we know we had the historically great defense in two thousand.

601
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: It was alright, it was all right.

602
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: You look at the chef, Hey, they have one hundred

603
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: and sixty five points. It's sixteen games, what sixty five?

604
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: And when you tack on the other four playoff games,

605
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: they still they gave up. They still didn't give up

606
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: more than one hundred and ninety points. In twenty games.

607
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: They gave up less than one hundred and ninety points.

608
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: You know, we were cool, but oh yo. The next year, Yeah,

609
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: we make the playoffs. So we go down to Miami.

610
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: We go down there early, guys at the beach, they

611
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: got jet skis.

612
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, and Brian and Brian don't say nothing, o yoe.

613
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: Hold on, it's a playoff games. It's a playoff game, irregular, Yes, hold.

614
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: On them boy down at mind me on jet skis

615
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: before a playoff game?

616
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I said, now, mind you. We ain't got no curve,

617
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: we ain't got no room.

618
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: Check.

619
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Brian ain't really have nothing. Brian, it's like,

620
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: i'ma treat you like me. And I said, no, I

621
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: don't treat them like me. Nah, we didn't. We didn't

622
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: treat them like. We didn't treat them like. We didn't

623
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: make sure we locked the doors over there. Hey, I said,

624
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: no curfew, Oh Joe. We went to the Super Bowl

625
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: to have curfew or room check.

626
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: Y'all won the game though, Yeah, oh Joe, I.

627
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Mean Brian must have done something I didn't know, So

628
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: there ain't no way in hell, Mike shanahead we had

629
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: we had what was it eleven? Nah, we first got that.

630
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: We first got there because we got that on Sunday.

631
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: We used to get down on Sunday, o Joe. So

632
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: it's like one o'clock and then Monday night you got twelve,

633
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: and then Tuesday night because Tuesday, like you going in

634
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: to practice starting Wednesday.

635
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: I think it was eleven, but yeah, yeah it was.

636
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: It was.

637
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: It was totally two different type situations. Yeah, Denver and Baltimore.

638
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: But hey, hey they did what they need to. Hey

639
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: we won the game.

640
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: So yeah that's all that. That's all that.

641
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: But it just goes, it just goes.

642
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: It just goes to show you, like I knew with

643
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: the Giants that if we didn't turn the ball over,

644
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: they couldn't move the ball. The only way they the

645
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: only way they were gonna beat us if they got

646
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: a scooping score or pick six. As far as like

647
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: moving the ball, I'm talking about like handing it off.

648
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: Throwing it.

649
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: It ain't happen.

650
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: Go back, pull up that stat line from that Super Bowl.

651
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: Oh show I want I'm I'm gonna show you the

652
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: stat line of what what they did when they had

653
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: the ball.

654
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it was crazy.

655
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: You won't ever see a stat I don't know if

656
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: you will ever see a stat line like this in

657
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. It was a two thousand the super Bowl. Yeah,

658
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl thirty five.

659
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: It was that bad.

660
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: Only think they had two hunder y'alls. The tour offense.

661
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: Hey, that defense man was something serious.

662
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh my god.

663
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: I don't think people understand there was there was no weakness.

664
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: If there was a weakness, y'all did one hell of

665
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: a job hiding it.

666
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing was that you couldn't run, so

667
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: they made you one dimensional very early.

668
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: And because they didn't have to blitz, so they didn't

669
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: have to sacrifice the back end.

670
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Right.

671
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: So now you got McQuary, you cook, You took Rob

672
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Burnett and kicked them down inside. You put Peter bowl

673
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Were on one side, you put Mike mcquarry on the

674
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: other side, and then you rotated Keith Washington.

675
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: You had Jelly Roll, you had I mean, we had a.

676
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: Y'all were loaded.

677
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: Hold on, no I needed like the play by play?

678
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: Who was who was the dB? Who was the dv's there?

679
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: Who was one?

680
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: We had a Christ McCallister and Dwayne Stars okay, and

681
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: then Bailey was our slot by and Corn Harrison was

682
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: our slot He was a nickel.

683
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, bouche, what ass at mane?

684
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: In a minute?

685
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: Oh joe, yo, they had one hundred and seventy eight

686
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: yards of told last fence with four picks. Jesus, okay,

687
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: oh joe, this is the Giants drives. Punt punt okay,

688
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: five yards, punt, one yard, punt eighteen yards, punt six yards,

689
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: punt two yards, punt one yards, punt, interception, punt interception, interception,

690
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: punt interception, kick return, touchdown, punt, punt, fumble, punt in

691
00:34:54,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: the game, dude, eleven punts.

692
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Hey, if you were if you were to tell somebody,

693
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: if you were to tell somebody, that's that line, right,

694
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: and then tell them the teams that were playing, they

695
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: wouldn't even think that was the NFL game. They had

696
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: think it was some some Pop Warner or some little

697
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 3: league stuff.

698
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Man.

699
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 3: That was man, that's ridiculous, the NFL game.

700
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe.

701
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: The longest drive they had was eight was nine plays,

702
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: three plays, three plays, five plays, three plays, three plays,

703
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: two plays, nine plays, three plays, five plays, three plays,

704
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: one play, three plays, three plays, no play, three plays,

705
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: seven plays.

706
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so may think enough listen and that that two

707
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: thousand raven defense man boy with something special. Boy, I

708
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I'm not even front boy. It

709
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: was something special, Oh Joe.

710
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: I think they had in the first twelve possessions, they

711
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: got two first downs.

712
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: Who was the question? Take that back? They got first

713
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: down carry?

714
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: Who was court carry?

715
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: Collin carry?

716
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: Collin Hey, But that's funny, every boy.

717
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: They got one first down, my bat. I think they

718
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: got one first down in the first twelve in the

719
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: first one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

720
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: twelve in the first twelve possessions, hold on no.

721
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: One.

722
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: They might have got something by penalty. That's because if

723
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: you think of oh Joe, they only got a me mmmm,

724
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. It was it was tough sleding. They got

725
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: five yards, one yards, eighteen yards, six yards, two yards,

726
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: one yard, ten yards. They had nine plays fifty yards.

727
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: They had three plays forty three yards. Then they have

728
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: five plays six yards, three plays eight yard, one play

729
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: no yards, it was picked off. Then they had three

730
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: plays no yards, three plays minus four yards, fumble, three

731
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: plays four yards, seven plays twenty two yards.

732
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: They don't even sound. It don't even sound.

733
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Now, the defense themselves didn't get scored on them. They

734
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: ran a kickback, they didn't score.

735
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: The defense.

736
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: That defense that postseason gave up one touchdown in four

737
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: games and four games and chat out y'all not listening.

738
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: In four playoff games, that defense gave up one touchdown.

739
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: That's unheard of.

740
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: They gave up three points to the Broncos, they gave

741
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: up ten points to Tennessee, three points to the Raiders.

742
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: The defense gave up no points zero. So in four

743
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: playoff games, the defense actually gave up sixteen points.

744
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: You know, you know, we'll never see a defense like

745
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 4: that again.

746
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: You never see that again, never see.

747
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: A defense like that again.

748
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: Hey, where you can't run, where you can't run the

749
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: ball at all.

750
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: No, oh joe.

751
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: In sixteen games, they didn't give up a thousand yards rushing.

752
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: So if you combine everybody that ran the football that

753
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: year in sixteen games, it didn't come up to a

754
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: thousand yards.

755
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: That's crazy. That's that's crazy.

756
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, jianz Oh Joe.

757
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: More changes are coming to the leadership of the NFL

758
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Players Association right here. Chief Strategist Officer J. C. Tretder

759
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: has resigned from his post amid scrutiny over hiring former

760
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: NFLPA executive director Lloyd Howell excuse me who resigned On

761
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: July eighteenth. P Matt pac McAfee didn't mince words about

762
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: the NFLPA leadership following Strip club allegations. The NFLPA has

763
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: been led by people who could much rather be known

764
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: than the heads of the NFLPA than actual work and

765
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: act like they are heads of the NFLPA. These dudes

766
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: think their celebrities. These dudes think they're powerful. These dudes

767
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: how all of their friends and overpaid them with players' money.

768
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: Then these dudes flex while using.

769
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: And abusing all the connections that the players and the

770
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: league have worked their assets off their entire lives for,

771
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: and act like sanctnemonious heroes through it all. O Jo

772
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit, but again we did

773
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: earlier this all happened. Pablo Torri is Pablo still working

774
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: with ESPN. He has his own thing. And he's a lawyer.

775
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: He's a Harvey grad very smart. I've never met the guy,

776
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: but just watching him listening to him talk, he's a.

777
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: Very smart guy, very shrewd. And he went digging and.

778
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: He found some information that about a judge that said, yeah,

779
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: they kind of they the owners.

780
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: And and there.

781
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Was writing between Jeff Passion and I think Roger Goodell.

782
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: There was a memo say we gotta get these we

783
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: got to get this guaranteed money down because it's getting

784
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: out rags. Blah blah blah. There was a smoking gun.

785
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Now the NFL do a better job than gone underground.

786
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: With that being said, lawyer Lloyd Howell was in trouble.

787
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Now.

788
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get a job at the

789
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: NFL PA head when you work with a company and

790
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: that a private equity firm that did your job is

791
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: to go try to find investors to buy NFL teams.

792
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but

793
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: I think like if you're at the head of the inn,

794
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: if you're like a players association, so like you the president,

795
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: and that's what Trader was like.

796
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: After a year or two you lead the game, you're

797
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: gone you're done. You got nothing else to do with it.

798
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: But somehow he got hired as a strategist.

799
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: So once all this stuff started coming out, it was

800
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 1: just a matter of time.

801
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: Everybody got you gotta you.

802
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: Know, you got blow it up.

803
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, you have you you have no choice but

804
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: to blow it up, and you might as well break

805
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: it home where it belongs.

806
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: Right, you're right here to me.

807
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: They they messed this thing up when they didn't hire

808
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Troy because Troy.

809
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: Sat rap next to uh, what's the guy? No?

810
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Hell no, hed they should never hide him. Uh.

811
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: But see it.

812
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: Shifted because Gene and Paul Taglibu had a great working relationship.

813
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: It was a partnership. Then Paul stepped down. It's funny

814
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: here and I came in the year together. We left

815
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: together because up until that point, Pete Roselle was the

816
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: was the was the commissioner, and then Commissioner Tagnible came in,

817
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: and then I left, and then Roger Dedell come in,

818
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: and now there's no longer a partnership. The partnership is

819
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: between the owners and the networks. Those are the partnerships.

820
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think the owners wanted a partnership anymore.

821
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: They didn't, And the first chance they got, what did

822
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: they do? They locked y'all glass out and they say,

823
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: we want a bigger piece of the pie back.

824
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: Hey, but listen, this is what we got to do.

825
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm telling you need somebody that gonna play hardball with them.

826
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: You need somebody gonna go in there that's gonna be

827
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: for the players, that's going to be for the players,

828
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: and gonna get what's right. Because as a former player,

829
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: you normally you normalna do us justice.

830
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, you know I am. I'm gonna tell you

831
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: like it is.

832
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say some of the things

833
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: that people are thinking that they're not.

834
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: Gonna say in public. Yeah, we want lifetime benefits. Huh.

835
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: We want to get rid of the franchise tag.

836
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: Even though you may see it as as as a

837
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: way to by yourself time, it also is a way

838
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: that you is disrespectful to players because you're basically saying

839
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: we don't really value you.

840
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: You don't both time.

841
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you first of all, oh Joe, Normally,

842
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: if somebody's on that franchise tag, somebody gets to the

843
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: franchise tag, they've already played four or five years. So

844
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: they've already they've already brought you time. You should know

845
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: if you don't know what you have after four or

846
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: five years, So you mean to tell me you need

847
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: another year?

848
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 4: Come on now?

849
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: No, So what you're doing, you're basically betting again. You're

850
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: betting that something's bad. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna have

851
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: a bad year, I'm gonna have an injury before I

852
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: have to give you.

853
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: A long term deal.

854
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: That is exactly what That's what you're doing. That's what

855
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: they bet That's what they betting on. That's what they

856
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: betting on. That's what that franchise that they try to

857
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: make it seem like it's a good thing.

858
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: We gona pay well what they what they told us.

859
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the bird exemption where you

860
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: could sign your players, you know what I'm saying, because

861
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: you wanted to keep You wanted to keep a John

862
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Lware with the Broncos, you wanted to keep a damn

863
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Marino with the such you know, with the the Dolphin.

864
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: You wanted to keep your top notch players. Smith, your

865
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith. You wanted to keep those guys there. But

866
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: they abused it. And now that like, well, nah, we

867
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: just what we're gonna do. We're gonna slap you with

868
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: the tag or they would threaten you with the tag

869
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: mm hm. And so the problem is, Ojo, is that

870
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: although look, I know you know you semi serious and

871
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: send my joking. The problem that anybody has that's going

872
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: to have when they come in and take over the

873
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: NFL p A. It's not like MLB, it's not like

874
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: basketball because when Marvin Miller, who is the head of baseball, yes,

875
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: when they say we're gonna shut it down, they shut

876
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: it down. When when When When when the NBA p A,

877
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: when they say we're gonna shut it down, they shut

878
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: it down.

879
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you so.

880
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: And the problem and so look, everybody, everybody wasn't making

881
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna make Lebron's money or Steph Courage money in

882
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: order for you to get the money up right, you

883
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: got what they did to them, oh Joe, They sold

884
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: them a bill of goods. They say, hey, man, y'all

885
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: make it, y'all work hard. And then here's a rookie

886
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: that's never thrown a pass. Remember Sam Brafford, was the

887
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: highest paid player.

888
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: In the NFL.

889
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Got that twenty Yeah, no, he got fifty Oh we

890
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: got fifty million.

891
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, guaranteed he was.

892
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: He was the highest paid player and never play the down.

893
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: But let me tell you what the owners did. The

894
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: owner said, we want to play players that have been established.

895
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: We want to play the veteran players that money and

896
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: make those guys just coming into the league, make them

897
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: earn it. And the playoffs. Yeah yeah, we're gonna get

898
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: that money. And guess what they do. Soon as you

899
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: get to a certain day, they cut you. Now they

900
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: got the rookie on the Wells Wade scale, and you

901
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: don't get to get to the back end to get

902
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: the bag.

903
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: You see how they did it. You see how they

904
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: did it. They got us, they got you.

905
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: So now we got the rookies on capped here and

906
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: on the back end the vast thinking, man, hey I'm

907
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: gonna play blah blah blah, nah don't so now basically

908
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: you gotta live here.

909
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they listen.

910
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: That's why that first three years it is so important.

911
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 3: Maximizes as much as you can in that first three years,

912
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: and what's guaranteed what am I really getting outside of

913
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: the assigning bonus? What am I really touching them? First

914
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: three years? Because after that, after that, that first three years,

915
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: unless unless you that, unless you that boy.

916
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 4: Man, listen here man.

917
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Already plotting this.

918
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely listen. It's a business. I think that's I think

919
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 4: that's one of the one of the things players they want.

920
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: They tell No, it's a business for them, That's what

921
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: I was trying to say.

922
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: But see, but the ownership has convinced the fans that

923
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: if you don't take what they give you your selfish

924
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: and you're not about winning. Bro y'all ain't one in

925
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: one hundred years. So now all of a sudden, because

926
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: I won't take the peanuts that you're offering. Now, I

927
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: know I don't care about winning the first thing they throw,

928
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: because I've heard some people say, I know, talking to

929
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: some agents and people, the.

930
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: First name they throw, Guess who they throw up. Guess

931
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: who they throw up for? You? You one guess Tom Brady.

932
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you have to understand Tom Brady was in

933
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: the special situation.

934
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: Everybody else in the NFL is not married or dating

935
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 3: someone that makes more money than the actual player himself.

936
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: He was a year tom Brady kills less money. Why

937
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: you can't be like tom Brady. Tom took less money

938
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: in order to win.

939
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.

940
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'll tell them.

941
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: And when it came right down to it, they did

942
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: tom Brady like they did everybody else.

943
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: Come on, now, come on, it's Sunday. Go ahead and

944
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 4: go ahead.

945
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not at the end of the day, as

946
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: loyal as tom Brady was, as long as he had

947
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: played up under what he should have rightfully gotten, they

948
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: still showed him the door. So at the end of

949
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: the day, no matter what I do. So you know what,

950
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: I know, at the end of the day, you're looking

951
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: to get rid of me. But I'm tax your pockets,

952
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: you said. While I'm here, I'm not the GM. My

953
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: job is to play. Now, if you want me to

954
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: help you construct your salary cap, that's gonna cost you extra.

955
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, since that's not my job.

956
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: My job is to tackle. My job is to catch,

957
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: and my job is to run block whatever the case

958
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: may be. On the football field. My job is not

959
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: to help you manage the salary.

960
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: Captain.

961
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: That's your job. And you tell me all the time

962
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: you the billionaire. You should be able to figure that out.

963
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. But it's funny. I don't think fans will

964
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: be able to understand it from a player's perspective, because

965
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: they will always side with their team and their loyalty

966
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: and the owners saying what they and obviously the media

967
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: obviously is in most of the time, the meetia is

968
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: gonna be gravitated towards the owner side as well, making

969
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: the players look like they are selfish in certain circumstances.

970
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: It's it's unfortunate.

971
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: But again, I mean, just hypothetically speaking, I'm just throwing

972
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: it out there, just I mean, in a way I'm serious.

973
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: In a way I'm actually joking. But I would love

974
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: to be one to be in that in those rooms,

975
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: in those rooms, because you're not gonna pull the wool

976
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: over my eyes. You're not gonna And I'm one of

977
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: the ones, one of the few who are gonna say

978
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: the things that no one else will say.

979
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I think the thing is look to have prosperity for

980
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: another four or five years. Whoever comes in, guys, please

981
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: please start saving your money. No more homes, no tell

982
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: tell the wife, no more extravagant purchases. We gotta put

983
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: a war chest. So that for because they're gonna lock

984
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: us out. Let me tell you why they're gonna lock

985
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: the coutin. Let me tell you what they did last

986
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: time on Joe. They locked us out. They locked y'all out.

987
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: I was done, Tell I was done. They locked you out.

988
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: And once they got ten more years they had three

989
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: years left with the UH with the Tea broadcasting, they

990
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: went right back to the broadcasting and say, we got

991
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: ten years of the labor piece, we water redo the deal.

992
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: And they did it.

993
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not telling you what somebody told you. I'm

994
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: telling you what I know. So what they're gonna do,

995
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna lock you out. They're gonna lock you out. Now,

996
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: let me tell you.

997
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: Who wants Who wants.

998
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: A programming and they playing a premium because we see

999
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: what Netflix play Jake Paul every time he gives on

1000
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: that network, and we see what Amazon's doing. So don't

1001
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: be surprised in the next round. You watching it on Amazon,

1002
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: you watching it on Netflix. I'm talking about the Sunday stuff.

1003
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: Because they got more money than NBC, they got more

1004
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: money than Fox, they got more money than CBS. Now,

1005
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I ain't telling what somebody telling you they got more money.

1006
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 4: Than ESPN AM.

1007
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: So Le'm gonna tell you what they're gonna do.

1008
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: They're gonna lock you out because he said when he

1009
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: took the job, he said, in twenty years, they want

1010
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: to be doing twenty five billion in revenue per year.

1011
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: I think they're about nineteen twenty. That's why you see

1012
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: they done added another game, won't jo. Not only did

1013
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: they guess what, they added another playoffs? Boy too, you

1014
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: say the game, everybody, that money gotta come in. That

1015
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: money gotta come from somewhere. Now, come on, now, got

1016
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: to come from We added a playoff game, guess. So

1017
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: that's what we did. We added another game. That's seventeen.

1018
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: So we got an extra team with a playoffs and

1019
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: we got an extra game. Now, what what does commission

1020
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: keep throwing out there?

1021
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: Eighteen eighteen eighteen?

1022
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 3: Oh, he gonna tease it. He gonna tease it every time.

1023
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: But what's the one thing everybody talk about? They keep

1024
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: throwing flags all over the place? Player safety player s

1025
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: o Joe.

1026
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: I ain't listening to nothing you say, because all I

1027
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: see is the ratings going up every game.

1028
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: Every year.

1029
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: The ratings keep going up, so fans keep talking about

1030
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: Oh this is flag football, y'all keep watching. I don't

1031
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: know if y'all notice, did you see how many people

1032
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: watched the Super Bowl last year? Did you see how

1033
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: many people watch the playoff games last year? So why

1034
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: am I listening to you?

1035
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not.

1036
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: They were always watching no matter what anybody says.

1037
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: Now you see, Joe, we don't get invited nowhere. O Yo,

1038
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: they can't. But I gotta get I gotta tell the

1039
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: people's truth.

1040
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, listen as I boys. I've always been,

1041
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: always been the villain. I always been the bad one.

1042
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm always been the one not to follow the rules.

1043
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm used to it now.

1044
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Y'all know why I've never been invited to a rookie

1045
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: symposium And oh, Jo, Now we don't get the perks

1046
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: of being able to go to certain places and do

1047
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: certain things. But it's just all good. But at the

1048
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm gonna be honest with you.

1049
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you

1050
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: what I know because I've talked to people that was

1051
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: in that room that was negotiating.

1052
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1053
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I if whoever the next head of the

1054
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: Players Association.

1055
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: Please tell these guys to start saving them money.

1056
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell the war chest together, guys, in order

1057
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: for us to get we won't guaranteed money and we

1058
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: won't lifetime health benefits. We want to do away with

1059
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: that franchise tag the only way because they know how

1060
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: much money you got.

1061
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: They know.

1062
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: Everything that happened in Dallas. There's nothing that Jerry Jones

1063
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: doesn't know about. There's nothing that happens in Miami that

1064
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross doesn't know about. There's nothing in an NFL

1065
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: town that those owners doesn't know about.

1066
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: It's so funny. Literally know everything, literally know everything. I'm

1067
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: not I'm not I'm not sure what. I'm not sure service.

1068
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what service the NFL uses. I'm not

1069
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 3: sure what service uh the owners use. But being able

1070
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: to tell me what I know, being able to tell

1071
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: me I'm riding four wheelers in the off season with

1072
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: my homeboys down Twelfth Avenue.

1073
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 4: How do you know that? You all the way in Cincinnati.

1074
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: How you know that?

1075
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: How you call my grandma?

1076
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: Tell my grandma a tell chat of stealth and foe

1077
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: Willis during the off season. Please tell him start riding

1078
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: up and down.

1079
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. Huh, man, I'm a witness to it.

1080
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: They know everything.

1081
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: They know. Why you not? Why are you not in

1082
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: the bed sleep?

1083
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: Hey? What's up?

1084
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: What's up?

1085
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 4: I don't know which one that is.

1086
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: Hey, Teddy Bear, you got to bring both them boys on,

1087
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: and you got to bring both them on.

1088
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: Uh. And I was like, man, and and and the

1089
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: thing is, don't you like I said, they know?

1090
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: They know how much you paid, how much your home

1091
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: loan is, They know how many kids you got, how

1092
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: many going to private school?

1093
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: If you got a divorce, they know what you paid.

1094
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he speaking of I don't know if speaking of divorce.

1095
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: Are we talking about the Coldplay concert thing tonight?

1096
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 2: No?

1097
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: No, damn.

1098
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to throw I'm trying to throw my head in,

1099
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: trying to throw my over there. Huh what what's the opening?

1100
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 4: What you talking about?

1101
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: I want to be the CEO of Astronomer. Yeah, it is,

1102
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: it's an opening. What you're talking about?

1103
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 2: About?

1104
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: This?

1105
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: You gonna really love? You really love this?

1106
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: What Arkansas Southo world wide receiver Monte Harrison's turning thirty

1107
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: years old this season.

1108
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: Thirty.

1109
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: Harrison played pro baseball for the past ten years. One

1110
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: of the main pieces in Christian Yelich's trade to Milwaukee

1111
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: trade the Arkansas wide receiver Monte Harrison. Harrison will be

1112
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: turning the Big three. Oh on August tenth, o Jo. Yeah,

1113
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: he's only a sophomore. Hey, listen, that means he can

1114
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: conceivably be playing college football until he's thirty two.

1115
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: That will be the same age as Patrick Mahomes.

1116
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: Hey, that's in a sense now that you he said

1117
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: he played baseball first for ten years, it's understandable the

1118
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: fact that he still has eligibility and he's.

1119
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: Trying to live out that dream. Uh. I mean, I doubt,

1120
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 4: I doubt he gets drafted to the NFL.

1121
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: But being able to go back and get your degree

1122
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: and finish off what you love or second sport that

1123
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: you do love after already playing in the MLB, I mean,

1124
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: it's a dope thing. I don't know how good he

1125
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: is as a receiver, but even being able to do

1126
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: it with them young bulls out there at thirty, I'm

1127
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: sure he's not that much better than everybody else where.

1128
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my goodness, why is he here? But

1129
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: just the fact that he is thirty in college. But

1130
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of I understand it because you

1131
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: played ten years in the Major League Baseball, so listen,

1132
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: you have eligibility left, so why not.

1133
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I mean, if he goes to the NFL,

1134
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: they can't get no but a six months contract.

1135
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 4: Six months yeah, his.

1136
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: First in that game before five year deal. Oh Joe,

1137
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: he be thirty seven.

1138
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: Well you know, you know what they'll do. They'll let

1139
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: him play one or two years and they'll find next use.

1140
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 3: They're fine, an excuse, just to let him, just to

1141
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: let him make history, let.

1142
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: Him make his I want to see if I want

1143
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: to see if he's like really good so he can

1144
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: go to the NFL. They're like, hey, well you're graduating class.

1145
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: My graduating class graduated seven years ago.

1146
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: Listen, if he let me go to the NFL, if

1147
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: he no, I mean no disrespecting him in any way,

1148
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: but if you was like that, if you was like

1149
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: that despite being thirty, and you should have an advantage

1150
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: over over the young players that that are that are

1151
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: in cars right now, but just more mature.

1152
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1153
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: I've seen no highlights, no, no, nothing indicating that you know,

1154
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: he's the next coming of Jamar Chase or Ryan Williams

1155
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: in Alabama or Jeremiah Smith in Ohio.

1156
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: Say he's nothing. I'm just saying, thirty would be your

1157
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: prime in the NFL.

1158
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, he's sophomore in college.

1159
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: If a sophomore in college.

1160
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 3: Right, But I'm trying to give it a example of

1161
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: where his skill his skill level, he's.

1162
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: Thirty was like that?

1163
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: He would be Kyler Murray. You see Kyler Murray. Yeah,

1164
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Yeah, with the eighth pick in the draft. Hey,

1165
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: in between time, he said, you know what I can make?

1166
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Just I can make just as much money, if not

1167
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: more money in the NFL.

1168
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: And it's quicker.

1169
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, I mean you know you tipped your cat.

1170
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: The guy would look the guy had eligibility. Yeah, tried baseball,

1171
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: that work, work didn't work out. Hell do we tell

1172
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: people ten years in the minds? Joe?

1173
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that listen.

1174
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: It is very very difficult to make it very difficult.

1175
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 4: You gotta be, you gotta be.

1176
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: The hardest thing to do is to hit a baseball.

1177
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: But who you telling?

1178
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: Who you're telling? Because shoot, you know.

1179
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: Bro, you hit three hundred, You hit three hundred, they

1180
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: pay you five six hundred million. That that thinking Hey,

1181
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: if you successful thirty percent of the time, name a

1182
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: job you can be successful.

1183
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: That tells you how hard that job is.

1184
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine if you completed thirty percent of your passes,

1185
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: you caught thirty percent of the balls they threw to you,

1186
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: or you held on to the ball thirty percent of

1187
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: the time.

1188
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah to you, that's that's crazy. When I think about

1189
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: my second percentage when I was in high school. You know,

1190
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: I bad at two eighty two my senior year in

1191
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: high school.

1192
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1193
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: Hey.

1194
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 3: The fact that I pass up the opportunity to go

1195
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 3: to the Martins in ninety seven after I graduated, that

1196
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: that was dumb.

1197
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: That was dumb.

1198
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: Damn you played it right, spot cause you didn't play baseball.

1199
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: You didn't play baseball as a kidd.

1200
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, unk, I was a five tool uncle. I played

1201
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 4: a Liberty City Optimist cosein.

1202
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1203
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: The two was a hole, a garden rake, a shovel. Hey, listen, Bushy, listen,

1204
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not talking. I'm not trying to talk trash and

1205
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: not trying to be funny. But we we hype up

1206
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: shake old tany.

1207
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: I was pitching, Listen, I was pitching in home runs

1208
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: at Liberty City optimists. I would sharehold Tony before share

1209
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: hold tany. It just wasn't it weren't no cameras back then.

1210
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: No, he's the first guy there, really loud because if

1211
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: you go back in the thirty some of those pictures

1212
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: and you watch him in and you watch them in college,

1213
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: they could actually hit.

1214
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but he was the first one is like, well, look,

1215
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna come to your team.

1216
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like Travis like Travis like Travis Hunter, like, bro,

1217
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: if y'all not gonna live, if I'm not going to

1218
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: your college, if you're just gonna make me play one

1219
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Yeah, So there, go back in

1220
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: thirty some of those pictures and you'll see they were

1221
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: actually three fifty four hundred hitters in college.

1222
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 4: God damn.

1223
01:01:51,680 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah they were, uh they were

1224
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: they were really good. But man, oh cho to hit

1225
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: that baseball? Man, you got to be doing that thing. Man,

1226
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 1: you got to be playing five six years old because

1227
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: you got you can't be afraid of it. You got

1228
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: to see a that curve ball, that slider, that change up,

1229
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: any anything, that cut fanst.

1230
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: Ball, that four scene two scene.

1231
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if you went in

1232
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: the batting cage. Forget a batting cage. You've been in

1233
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: the batting cage and had that ball come at you

1234
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: and you got to sit there. You got to sit

1235
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: there in that you got to sit.

1236
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 4: There in the box. And the players, the players been

1237
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 4: they so used to it. They just be nice and cool.

1238
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: You know how to tie it up? Ninety five miles

1239
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: an hour? What man?

1240
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 4: What the average human?

1241
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: The average human?

1242
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: You put them in the battles box and as soon as.

1243
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 1: The ball fly by, I can't you swing? You swing

1244
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: that ball already to catch. That's what happened on Joe

1245
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: when you swing the ball didn't catch up yet.

1246
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: It's so funny on TV. The players make it look

1247
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 4: so easy.

1248
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: And that's it.

1249
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 4: That's any sport at the highest level, those that do it.

1250
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: I don't think they get enough respect from those that

1251
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: are watching from at home that talk trash about them

1252
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: on the couch all you struck out.

1253
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 4: Again, not understanding you know how difficult it is to

1254
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 4: do what they.

1255
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: Do at that level. I mean, yeah, like a boxer.

1256
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you watch you watch Florida, you watch some of

1257
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: these defensive fighting they they hey, they know they'll throw

1258
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: a punch and they already know this's coming back.

1259
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 4: Yep, they already know. Hey, that god damn clinic, That

1260
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 4: god damn clinic.

1261
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: Shakur Stevenson just put on the other night where everybody

1262
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: always talked trash about his fights.

1263
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 4: You're always running, You're always running. He comes in and

1264
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 4: does the complete opposite of what everybody says he did

1265
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 4: and put on a defensive clinic. Hell Is defense was

1266
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 4: his offensive entire fight. It was beautiful. Hey, you saw

1267
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 4: you saw Max. You saw our guy Max Holloway last night.

1268
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of it. Oh you missed it.

1269
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm asleep, man, I was hey, my boy, my boy

1270
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: was the tired. I was messing with him. His car face,

1271
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh face was out that.

1272
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: He hit me up.

1273
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: I want to eight lounges to smoke.

1274
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: He had a show, he had a show last back. Okay,

1275
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: so he hit me up this morning. He wanted to

1276
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: go get something to eat. Yeah, he said, so what

1277
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: you got?

1278
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: Said? What you gotta taste for?

1279
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 4: Chris Cafe?

1280
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: Please tell you with man, that line too long. I

1281
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: ain't waiting to no line. And they be wanting you

1282
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: to stand outside and talking about wait till your order.

1283
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: I said, oh, hell now, but anyway, he called.

1284
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: He called me.

1285
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I said, what you got to taste for? He said, Man,

1286
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: I got some seafood I want you know, I said, I'm.

1287
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: Allergic the shell fish. You know what? This food? Told me?

1288
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: What waiting a car? I said?

1289
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 4: Man, hell Na face funny man.

1290
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: Man, I said, face, Man, get off my phone.

1291
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 3: Man.

1292
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: But uh, I say, I'll see you because I you know,

1293
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: I told him. I said he wanted to do something

1294
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: later this afternoon. I said when I got nightcap. He said, well,

1295
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: I catch you next time. I said, well, I'll tell

1296
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: you what when I come to Houston show your boy around.

1297
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: He says, no, I ain't got nothing for you. I

1298
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: don't want you nowhere near Houston.

1299
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: He man me and face we said it a cigar baar.

1300
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: Man called, Remember what I did? I did the show man.

1301
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: I did the show from inside the cigar board.

1302
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1303
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 4: Man, we but we sat outside all day all day.

1304
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: Hey that was that was a good time.

1305
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this food talking about? Hey, what's wait in the car?

1306
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1307
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: Man? Hold on