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Speaker 1: Gang's all here. We got a full house in studio

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Speaker 1: and by remote. Is this to Move the Sticks debut

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Speaker 1: of the DJ Home Cam, Red Louis, Bucky Brooks. What's

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Speaker 1: going on Daniel. Oh it's uh, it's very nice here. Red.

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Speaker 1: I've got thinking about maybe a little soup this morning,

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Speaker 1: and breakfast in bed. That's basically what the home cam is, right.

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Speaker 1: Home cam is nice. I'm just glad the home cam

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Speaker 1: because I see I see today Core, I see the

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Speaker 1: apple thatta stay home, and I see the football and

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Speaker 1: the jersey. Did app States send you a new jersey

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Speaker 1: to decorate or is that something that you dug out

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Speaker 1: the meetings, the private workouts, bringing guys in for visits

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Speaker 1: is the guy that when the lights comes on, he

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Speaker 1: has played his best, and so I believe he will

427
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Speaker 1: continue to be able to do that when he gets

428
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Speaker 1: to the next level. Yeah, sack production translates right, playlist,

429
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 1: play it whatever weight you were when you were in

430
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Speaker 1: the FBS. Career leader in sacks, right, I mean, just

431
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: go ahead, and I mean, yeah, I don't know why

432
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: he puffed up like he kind of drives me crazy

433
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 1: when guys do that, Like I don't think it's really mad,

434
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 1: as like you are who you are, a play like

435
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: how you've always played all right, So I'm gonna lead

436
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Speaker 1: us off here in the third round. So we're still

437
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: day two here April in Nashville. And look, maybe he

438
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,239
Speaker 1: goes a little earlier than this, but Terrell Hanks from

439
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: New Mexico state linebacker, even he goes later, d J,

440
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: I think he's I mean, look, he didn't he wasn't

441
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 1: healthy at the combine. So he put a four nine

442
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: nine out there, which is not it's not great, it's

443
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: not who were not great play like that. And he

444
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: wasn't able to run in his pro day, So you

445
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: don't have a forty on him. Um. I mean, look

446
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: some people, that's a that's an issue that I think.

447
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: He plays plenty fast, a little bit tight. But um,

448
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: to me, I would guess right, I would say, probably

449
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: going to go on that fourth four rains, but you know,

450
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: my three, my three four guys you know, could probably

451
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: flip around a little bit here, but four Terrell Hanks.

452
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there in mobile on the sidelines and

453
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: hearing you guys remember that hit. I mean, since then

454
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm driving down the pc H, I hear a car backfire,

455
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: look over my shoulder, expect you know, it's like, what

456
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: do you think West Hills is doing? I know I mean,

457
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: there's something to wait the thump like that. And so

458
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: Terrell Hanks being a big hitter, being able to play inside, like,

459
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 1: there's always a place for those guys. And there's still

460
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: these old school krusty defensive coordinators prefer to have a

461
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: guy like that sitting in between the pipes. And so look,

462
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: he wins a beauty pageant too, Like he looks the part.

463
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: He has a little nasty attitude and in some thump,

464
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh get him, go, get him what you got there?

465
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: You go, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Darnell Savage

466
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: from Maryland A lot of times when guys get picked.

467
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: I love his game. Buck. We might be when they

468
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: announced the pick, it might be it might be Darnielle

469
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: Savage defensive back Maryland and not corner, not safety, not nickel.

470
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: And it's a compliment to him because I think he

471
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: can play any of those positions. He's a football playing

472
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: dude who ran in the four three's. He might have

473
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: run his way into the second round. It wouldn't shock

474
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: me if he didn't go in the second round. Not

475
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: the biggest guy in the world. But if you want

476
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: to know where Savages on the football field. Just just

477
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: show me where the ball is, because he's gonna be

478
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: right there. He is always round the football. You know,

479
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because dj I kind of turned him an

480
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: asap player. He is there as soon as possible whenever

481
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: he sees it. When you see safeties react to the

482
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: run game like he is able to when he's playing

483
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: twelve yards deep in quarters coverage, there's something about that

484
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: aggressiveness that you certainly like. And then when you watch

485
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: him play over the slot and cover. I do believe

486
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 1: putting that that kind of universal label dB is applicable

487
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: to when you look at Savage play because I think

488
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of those guys where you never

489
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: have to go out of your base package if they're

490
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: in eleven personnel or early downs because he can't play

491
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: over the slot, he can't play over the tied in.

492
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: He's an effective run player and he has enough range.

493
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: He's he's terrific. I mean, I love him. I do

494
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: believe he kind of sneaks his way into the second round.

495
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: Like so round three, I got Titus Howard offensive Tacole

496
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: from Alabama State and look for disclosure, like this wasn't

497
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: someone that I was on initially, but I had a

498
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: couple of scouts kind of put me on him right

499
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: before he went to the East West, And I think

500
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: his transition from high school quarterback to offensive tacole is

501
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: one of the more remarkable transitions that we will see.

502
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: But then when I watch him on tape, the athleticism,

503
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to kind of hold

504
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: his own and have a competitive week during the Senior

505
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Bowl suggested me that he is going to be fine.

506
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: I would love to see him go to the right coach,

507
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: like imagine him going to the Pages with the Dante

508
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: Scarnecki being able to really kind of pour some nuggets

509
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: into him. But I think he has all of the

510
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: tools to be a guy that is a long time

511
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: starter in the league in a very very effective one

512
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: when he gets his chance. All right, So that's fan.

513
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's a fifty. I got him fifty.

514
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: He's right, He's the last guy in my top fifty.

515
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: So um, he's a Look, I'm with you on that.

516
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: You watch it. You watch guys like that when they

517
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: step up in competition, like for him the Alburn game,

518
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: he more than held his own and was solid the

519
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl I'm with you, a good player, all right.

520
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: So that wraps up day two for us. So now

521
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Speaker 1: we'll get into a Saturday here in Nashville starting with

522
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Speaker 1: round four. Right, So here we go. You know, ret,

523
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Speaker 1: hold reet, can we get somebody else out of the

524
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: middle part of the country. No, no, no, no, no,

525
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: get somebody else out of the mide I mean, DJ

526
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: will tell you this, like, no one typically puts their

527
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: best scout in the Midwest. Normally the best scout is

528
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: somewhere in the southeasts. Why I'm here right in the Midwest.

529
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: You're you're living in the Midwest. Let me come on, man,

530
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just kid. You know what I will

531
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: say this. I'll say this about Rhett as a college

532
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: football um consumer, he's smarter than we are, Buck because

533
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: all the games he wants to watch are done by

534
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: new Saturdays out and he's out for the rest of

535
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: the day, no question. I kind of you guys to

536
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: watch all the prime time games, Like let me let

537
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: me go have my Saturday at the beach, all right.

538
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm by now. So look a money

539
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: hooker um from Iowa. Another guy who you might say

540
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: defensive back, right, the guy who has played some safety.

541
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: I saw him play a little corner in the bowl

542
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: game and they basically created a position. I thought the same.

543
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: So was he four for eight? I think he ran

544
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: eight better athleticism than than definitely I expected. I mean,

545
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: this guy was at Big ten defensive back of the year.

546
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: There's some pretty good players in that conference now, I

547
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: mean there are they're planning, planning, and he's a physical

548
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: tackler as well. I think he could be you know,

549
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: he might be in your you know, your nickel or

550
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: your dime linebacker package. Could be that kind of guy. Maybe, Um,

551
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: but look, I was impressed with him when I saw

552
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Hie when I when I watched him, so that he's

553
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: my guy. A money hooker at fourth round. Yeah, I'm

554
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: gonna go stay in the secondary and go yu go

555
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Amadi there uh from Oregon, who's very who's very similar

556
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: am Maddi's very similar to Savage. He's a he's somebody that, Um,

557
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a day one starting nickel. He's a

558
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: little under five ten, round two pounds, ran right at

559
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: four five he um. I thought to me, LaMarcus Joyner

560
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: watching him coming out of Florida State and we've seen

561
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: what he's been able to do with somebody who could

562
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: play as a high safety or drop down into the nickel.

563
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I think he does that. He just got some excellent

564
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: cover skills. You watch him against cal uh a nice

565
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: little nifty little pick six in that game. I think

566
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: he's a very instinctive natural player in like in like Hooker,

567
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: a little bit ran faster than I anticipate. I thought

568
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: that would be the concern with him, but he ended

569
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: up running four five one, which is plenty fast enough,

570
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: plenty fast enough. Good player, uh, well coached. Um, And

571
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I think there's something too when we're in the fourth

572
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: round and we're looking for developmental players, guys that can

573
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: come on. You're looking for guys that can kind of

574
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: grasp information quick and kind of put it and play

575
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: on the field. I believe a Mardi is a guy

576
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: that can do that. You talk about being maybe arguably

577
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: one of the best nickels, if not the best nickel

578
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: corner in the draft. UM, I certainly can back you

579
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: up on that. I like his footwork, I like the

580
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: way he plays. I like his toughness. Uh really good playing.

581
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: That versatility will serve him well as he enters the league,

582
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: um my fourth round pick. Look, okay, I'm a bit

583
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: of I'm a bit of a homer, but I do

584
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: believe I do believe we've kind of forgotten about Bryce

585
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: Love a little bit in the process. The a c

586
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: L injury certainly will dean his stock. But when you

587
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: go back and you watch the senior before this one,

588
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: when he was a Heisman Trophy finalist, when he was

589
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: the runner up, Look, this guy runs inside really really well.

590
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: This year they changed their scheme upfront, but finding an

591
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: undersized guy that can kind of run in between the tackles,

592
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: it's hard to find. I would have liked to see

593
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: him play more of the season where we can see

594
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: him catch the ball. I think the biggest issue for

595
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Bryce as he carves a niche out in the league.

596
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Can he a guy that catches them all out the

597
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: backfield so he can be a third down or a

598
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: change of pace back. If he is able to do that,

599
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: I think he can do some things like Giovanni Bernard.

600
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: He has to short, but we won't get a chance

601
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: to see it before the draft, but I think he

602
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: has a chance to stick. Bucky. Is that changed the scheme,

603
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: Is that code for didn't block anybody. I mean, yes,

604
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: they don't block anybody. They didn't block anybody happen and

605
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: look to my guys credit because I asked him. I said, dude,

606
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at your tape. You guys used to be

607
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: a power team and I'm looking at all this. He said, yeah,

608
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of got away from our roots

609
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: and we did some different stuff. And I think it

610
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: hurt him because last year when I watched him running

611
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: the Power scheme, the same scheme that Christian McCaffrey excelled in,

612
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: we saw him to a big place. We saw the toughness,

613
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: we saw him kind of grinded out. They didn't even

614
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: do it this year, and so it affected him. The

615
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: injury affects him. I'm hoping fourth round, but somewhere day three,

616
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I think that's where Bryce hears his name. Hey, Rhet,

617
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: can we can I make one suggestion, apologist, because we

618
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: gotta get We have Joe on Williams interview coming up.

619
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: Why don't we do We've made it through round four?

620
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: Why don't you give us five six seven? You got

621
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and then buck? Then I'll go five six seven, five

622
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: six seven, go it? Okay? The boss speaks we do

623
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: with the boss wants. You know what I mean? Here

624
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: we go. Uh so let's let's start. You know where

625
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm going. I couldn't go. I couldn't go a seven

626
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: round draft without getting to Who's you're in? My man,

627
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Crawford TB Indiana or Indianna sing it. I'm gonna

628
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: love having you work for us, because like you're gonna

629
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: be so cheap that we're just gonna let you drive

630
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: your area. You're not gonna have to fly anywhere. You

631
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: can just drive your little area. Save us a lot

632
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: of money, just everything gas. You see, he's just in

633
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: a man, and make sure you get donuts for the

634
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: guys finish. He's gotta be a fair state than an

635
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: hour and a half. It's gonna be a trip for

636
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: me to get from Indiana to Slippery Rock because that's

637
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: where I'm going next. But Crawford day one starter is

638
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: a true freshman, started all four years. I think he's

639
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: a productive player. Might help you on special teams to

640
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: six round, I'm going West Hills running back on a

641
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Slippery Rocks him at the NFL p A game. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

642
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: oh come on now, yeah, I got the I got

643
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: the collision, both both sides of the collision. Uh, Mike

644
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Tys compared him to Robert Smith. I mean, that's that's

645
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: a pretty good we needed. Just Mike Tyson's pretty good

646
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: com right there. He didn't do as well. Yeah, you're right,

647
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: you're right. Seventh round. Look, no Code red needed for this, dude.

648
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: Give me John Santiago running back North Dakota, not to

649
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: be confused with the Bison. No, no, no, no, no no.

650
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: You know you want him on that wall. You need

651
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: him on that wall. He reminded me of Danny Woodhead

652
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: when I was watching him at the p A game.

653
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: You've you've been so good that what we're gonna do

654
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: in the draft room, what are we going to let you?

655
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you negotiate a free agent, dude, We're

656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna let you negotiate a yes, free agent. We're gonna

657
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: let you pick a guy that you can sign to

658
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: a free agent deal. And I know, I know, I

659
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: know DJ goes. So I know DJ goes from a

660
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: spot where they only gave five hundred dollars and a

661
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: lot of opportunity. I'm gonna give you know to go

662
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: in sign a parriety free agent to bring to the

663
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: team to compete in training camp. Long snapper Dane Gonzil

664
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Indiana lock it up for the glory of old best

665
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: long snapper in the draft. He was at the Senior Bowl.

666
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: He gets it done hundred percent, never misses. Let's go

667
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: so unbelieving, all right, d J, hit us with your

668
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: with your three Hey, did I read you a buck?

669
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Did I read you my report on a long snapper? No? No, no, no,

670
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: no no, that's because I don't watch long snapper to

671
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: my five six seven. Yeah, that's true. Gilliard the center

672
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: from Georgia in the fifth round. I hope he goes

673
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: a little bit higher than that. I like him better

674
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: than that, but just kind of what you hear. I

675
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: think that's probably where he ends up going. You watch

676
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: him battle against quinnin Williams. That's when I was sold

677
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: on him. He's played a lot of football there at Georgia.

678
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: He'd beat my choice in the fifth. In the sixth,

679
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: let's go to Toledo, Retz area the country. Cody Thompson

680
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver who's also an outstanding special teams player. One

681
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: of my favorite plays of the year watch him block

682
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: upon he actually catches it, he blocks it and catches

683
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: it and goes into the end zone. One of my

684
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: favorite plays of the year. I would love him somebody.

685
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a good slot receiver at

686
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: the next level. Speaking of slot receivers, Round number seven,

687
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Penny Heart from Georgia State. All we heard about was

688
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: was Isabella coming in to the Senior Bowl, Danny Isabella

689
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: from U mass whose track star, and he was going

690
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: to dominate the Senior Bowl. For my money. Each and

691
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: every day, I thought penny Hart, who nobody knew about

692
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: coming from Georgia State, outplayed him during that week of practices.

693
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: I'll take him in the seventh I mean, I like

694
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: those guys speed, versatility. We talked about these guys that

695
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: are taking day three, five, six, and seven. They gotta

696
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: find a way to make their way onto the team,

697
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: and special teams is the easiest path. Uh. Both of

698
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: those guys, Cody Thompson and Penny Hart at the bottom

699
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: should be able to help you special teams and Nigal

700
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: is a good development of prospect for me. Five, six

701
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and seven. Jimmy Morland in the fifth round, cornerback from

702
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: j m U. Fell in love with him. At the

703
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: East West Shrine game. Natural ball hawk. I think he

704
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: has eighteen career interceptions, does a great job of not

705
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: only pick him off with taking him back to the house.

706
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: I like this awareness ball skills. I think he has

707
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: a chance to be a nice solid fourth corner then

708
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: eventually works his way into the rotation as a nickel

709
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: sixth round keeling dass U C. Davis looks unfortunately that

710
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: he pops his peck at the combine, but loved his

711
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: route running ability. I believe he gets consistent separation. Uh,

712
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: someone's gonna get an absolute stud when they get him

713
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: in a day three, he's gonna be terrific. And then

714
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: finally to bring it home. Co O Farmer, outside linebacker

715
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: from Penn State. Yes, I'm picking up. I know I'm

716
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: picking someone that I coached in high school. However, I

717
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: can back it up because he started the last two

718
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: years of Penn State, had an outstanding pro day four

719
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: four eight thirty seven inch vertical twenty reps on the

720
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: bench six one two thirty has also been placed back

721
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: there as a kick returner at Penn State. You talk

722
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: about special teams, that is your special teams may even

723
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: right there. Core former no, no priority free agents for

724
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: you guys. No, no, no, we we let you have

725
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: all of those. You You've been so diligent in your

726
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: work in the Midwest that we decided that we're gonna

727
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: let you handle all the p f a's oh Man,

728
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: d J. What we got with Jonah Williams. UH got

729
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: a chance of guys to h to visit with Jonah

730
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: the other day. A town offensive lineman. They're from Alabama.

731
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: You know where is he gonna play? Is gonna play tackle,

732
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: center or guard? I can look at that as a positive,

733
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: somebody that has the versatility. UH. Teams have very opinions

734
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: on Jonah, but he's somebody I definitely wanted to talk

735
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: to as we run up to the draft and had

736
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with him just the other day.

737
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with the Alabama offensive tackle Jonah Williams.

738
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Excited to be joined by Alabama All American offensive tackle

739
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. Jonah, how you doing, man? Doing well? How

740
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing great? And Uh, you know, look,

741
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: we've had a chance to visit before and and I'm

742
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: trying to cover some new ground where we haven't previously

743
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: talked about and one of the things I was thinking

744
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: about with you, Um, as an early enrolie coming out

745
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: of high school, still should be finishing up your senior year,

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: and you you go to Alabama, which is the premier

747
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: program in college football. You're lining up against so many

748
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: future NFL players. Why you should still be in high school?

749
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: What was the first practice like for you in the

750
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: spring when you got to Alabama? It was intense, it

751
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: was crazy, And that's that's why I wanted to go

752
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: to Alabama. Was that challenge, you know, obviously playing in

753
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: the SEC West, but also the guys that get to

754
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: go against some practice every day and just incredible players.

755
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Most of them are starting or playing in the NFL

756
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: right now. Um. I don't remember the first practice so much,

757
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: but I do remember by my third practice, they had

758
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: me at starting left tackle because Cam was heard. Um

759
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: So I remember walking into the meeting room and everyone's

760
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: kind of looking at me different. I'm like what. I

761
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: looked up at the board and had me at one

762
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: left tackle. I'm like, all right, here we go. I

763
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: was just sweating the whole meeting and taking notes Fury Slee,

764
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, But I mean it was good. It was

765
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: definitely a baptism and fire, and you know, I lost

766
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: my fair share of battles, but I learned a lot

767
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: from it. I think that's why I am wearing them today.

768
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: It's a great point for those that don't know, and

769
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: you free people forget you. Guys cycle through so many

770
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: NFL players. Give us an example of maybe three or

771
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: four defensive alignment at that point in time as someone

772
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: who should still be in high school that you're seeing

773
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: in practice on a daily basis. Yeah, so depending on

774
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: the defensive front, I could have Dalvin Thomlinson or John

775
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Allen right on top of me. I could have Tim Williams,

776
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: Ryan Anderson, any of those guys, Ruben Foster blitz into

777
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: the b gap. You know, there's just a bunch of

778
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: big names that were playing. Darn Payne was a young

779
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: guy at the time, you know it, it was different. Yeah,

780
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: I would imagine there's a couple of moments there were like, Okay, yeah,

781
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: these are not high school players anymore. These are these

782
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: are fully grown men at this point in time. That's right.

783
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: How about the reaction when you find out going into

784
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: your freshman year or when did you find out that

785
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: you had secured that starting position immediately on the right side.

786
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Before lading your career, you switched over to the left. Yeah,

787
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean my goal coming in I knew Cam was

788
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: the was gonna be the left tackle, and there was

789
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: a spot open at right, so I knew how to

790
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: come in, but I knew it wouldn't be easy and

791
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: being a freshman to take a lot to earn it. Um.

792
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: But I think by the second camp practice I was

793
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: I was at starting right tackle, and I mean we

794
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: really like they didn't put out a depth start definitively

795
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: and no like I'm starting. So even my dad I

796
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: remember him saying that he was kind of like pacing

797
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: around in the Cowboys stadium not knowing if I was

798
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: going to start or not, you know. Um, but ended

799
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: up starting every gatting my career. Really fortunate to have

800
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: that opportunity, and you know, obviously had a great time. Now.

801
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: One of the interesting discussions with you, you know, going forward,

802
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: and I know you've heard it, You've answered it a

803
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: million times, um, but you know, hey, what what position

804
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna play when you get to the next level.

805
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I've looked at you as somebody I believe has five

806
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: position flexibility. I know your preference Uh, there to stick

807
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: at tackle. UM. But but tell me what your reaction

808
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be, no matter what position you get, what

809
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: your attitude is to come in and try and in

810
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: that starting position as a rookie, just as you did

811
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: as a freshman. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the big

812
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: thing about the NFL is that you know, there's no

813
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: spot that's just wide open in the NFL right now,

814
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: there's a grown man that has that job. And so

815
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: being a rookie, I have to come in and try

816
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: to take that. So I know it's not easy. And

817
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: my goal first and foremost to be one of the

818
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: five best on the team that I'm on and be

819
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: on the field b play and be competing and put

820
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: my hand out the dirt and play football. That's what

821
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: it's all about. That's what I'm here for. UM. My

822
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: sticking point of that conversation is just that I'm strongly

823
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: confident what I did in college football. Um. I believe

824
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I proved to be the best tackle in college football. UM.

825
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I know I could play a different position if I

826
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: needed to. Um, but that's a hill I'll die on.

827
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: As you know. My resume, No, absolutely, And speaking of

828
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: that resume, you have so much good tape going up

829
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: against UM really in the best conference, in the best

830
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: pass rushers, week after week after week. Now, when you

831
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: try and flip it and say, okay, I know when

832
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: you get in these interview rooms, teams try and get

833
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: under you skin a little bit. They're gonna try and

834
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: needle you. They're gonna try and pick you. Um. You

835
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: go to that Clemson game, and I know you've been

836
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: asked this, but when you when you when they show

837
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: you a couple of plays there, Um, just give me

838
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: your side of things on a couple of those. I

839
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: know you have a couple of beats there with Clellent Farrell,

840
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: but just walk me through. I know you have incredible

841
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: recall there on what went wrong. It's just a couple

842
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: of reps. But in your in your mind, haven't seen

843
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: that tape over and over again. What was the issue

844
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: at that point in time. Yeah, he's a great player.

845
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for him. I knew

846
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a good battle coming in. You know,

847
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I think production wise, I held up. He didn't get

848
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: a single sack or her the whole game. He certainly

849
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: won a fair share of reps against me, It's not

850
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: something I was really used to. It didn't happen all

851
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: year until that game. So I think that naturally people

852
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: are going to point to that game when they, you know,

853
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: when they want to criticize, and you know, hats off

854
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: to him. He definitely won a couple of reps. Um.

855
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think that for me, I was I

856
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: was trying a few different things just to try to

857
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: get at him, and that's not something I usually do.

858
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty you know, try to shop, you try to

859
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: chop him on one right, and then it kind of

860
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: got yeah, yeah, I trying to chop him and uh,

861
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of stuck with my feet and I actually

862
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: gave him leverage on me by knocking him down. UM,

863
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: so definitely lost that rep. You know, So things like

864
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: that where I think later in the game, um, by

865
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: about the second quarter on UM, I think I kind

866
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: of got into my rhythm and you know, performed a

867
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: little bit better against him. But like I said, a

868
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: great player. UM. Ton of respect for him, and you know,

869
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: hats off for winning those reps. See I knew, I

870
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: knew you're so cerebral you'd be able to go back

871
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: and recall specific plays and what happened, and you did.

872
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: You settled down, uh and played well as that as

873
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: that game went along. Um, I want to go again. Uh.

874
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: To this pre draft process, it is a long, long

875
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: grind from the end of the season and now we're

876
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit less than a month away

877
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: here to the draft. How has the process been for

878
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: you from the end of the season. It's been fun.

879
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: I Mean people ask me if I'm excited for the draft,

880
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm excited for the first day

881
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: after the draft, when i know what team I'm on,

882
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: i know what I'm competing for, and can actually start

883
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: playing football again. This whole pageant process is kind of

884
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: dragging on a little bit um because you know, the

885
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: first thing people say about the NFL is that it's

886
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: a production business. It's all about football. It's all about

887
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: what you can do on the field. And then as

888
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: soon as the pre draft process starts, you're not on

889
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: a football field, you know, necessarily competing. They're just taking

890
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: all these different harbitrary measurements and all these different numbers

891
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: and things like that, which I know is a part

892
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: of it, but I mean, I'm a football player. I

893
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: want to play football in the NFL. I played football

894
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: in college and I'm just looking forward to doing that again.

895
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: I know you spent a lot of time with Joe Staley,

896
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: who's one of the best tackles in the NFL over

897
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: the last decade. What what's the biggest takeaway? What have

898
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: you learned from Joe? I learned so much from Joe

899
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: that was that was a great opportunity. That's probably my

900
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: favorite part about the training process, just being able to

901
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: learn from a guy who's done it at such a

902
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: high level and who I think I have some comparables

903
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: to UM as far as our our approach to the

904
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: game and all those things. UM. You know, we we

905
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: worked a lot because the forty Niners run his own

906
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: UM offense mostly wide zone. UM a lot on his

907
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: foot work on that because that's something that we did

908
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: here UM and something I feel I can improve on.

909
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: So we we did a lot of work on that,

910
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: gaining ground with the first step kind of bringing the

911
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: fight to them and making them make a decision instead

912
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: of being reactionary as a as an aligneman so great

913
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: at that his past set, staying under control, balancing my weight,

914
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: that's something that you know, I kind of did a

915
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: self scout on and saw that sometimes I took a

916
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: little bit too much weight off my inside foot, and

917
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: um so that's something that he really put an emphasis on,

918
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: just making sure that I kept enough weight there that

919
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I can post and redirect more easily. Um So, just

920
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: little things like that that, you know, just sitting there

921
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: and picking his brains as an incredible opportunity. As competitive

922
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: as you are, is there somebody you're looking forward to

923
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: challenging yourself against at the next level. All these great

924
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the league. I know you've you've paid

925
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: attention and watched them over the years. Is there somebody

926
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to, just a battle that's going to

927
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: take place, Somebody you've been watching growing up you have

928
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: a chance to compete against. I mean, I don't want

929
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: to name names and end up on a headless but

930
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm just excited. I'm excited for that opportunity.

931
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. I mean, playing the SEC West,

932
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: I feel as as close to college. There's as close

933
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: to NFL football as you can get in college, but

934
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: obviously in the NFL it's a whole different beast. I

935
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: mean it's sixteen weeks. However, many playoffs and preseason games

936
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: where you have to compete against guys, and so I'm

937
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: a really methodical guy. Um, I put a lot of

938
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: time into scouting my opponents, and so you know, I'm

939
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: looking forward to building kind of a database of of

940
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: everyone and you know, going through and watching all their

941
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: tape and just learning. I mean, there's so many incredible,

942
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: incredible pass wreshers on the edge, and you know, then

943
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: you have guys like Aaron Donald making a name for

944
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: for people on the inside. You know, so everyone of

945
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: the D line, everyone on the D line in the

946
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: NFL is just a freak. And you know, I'm looking

947
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: forward to going out there and battling moving. Well, you've

948
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: already shown that you're a savvy veteran. I tried to

949
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: put you on the hook there and see if you

950
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: throw out a lot about a couple of names and uh,

951
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: and you were going to take that bait. So well done.

952
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Well yeah anvoting that, Yeah, that's that's that's smart behind

953
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: your part there. One. I know you've you've been training

954
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: through this process with one of the other top offensive

955
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: lineman in the draft, Andre Dillard from Washington State. Just

956
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: getting a chance to work with him, and watch him

957
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Why don't you give me the

958
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Jone and Williams scouting report there on? Dillard Andre is

959
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: a great player, nice guy, UM, And I think you know,

960
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: Washington State, it's a different offense. It's it's different than

961
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: college football, it's different than in the NFL. UM, So

962
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: I think that you know, he really excels at what

963
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: they did. Their great athlete, UM, smart guy. I think

964
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: that he'll be able to pick up you know, in

965
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: the NFL. Thing that's just the issue for him, you know,

966
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: is trying to get over that Washington stay at hurdle

967
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: as far as you know, the different the different scheme.

968
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: But great athlete. I think he proved that to combine. UM,

969
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: really solid player. Like I'm just I was impressed with

970
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: him in the in the training process. Well, it's gonna

971
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: be fun to see where where you both end up

972
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: at the next level. Couldn't be more excited for you, man,

973
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: You're almost there. I know it's a long process. The

974
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: finish line is in sight. You're all most home and

975
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: then the day after the draft of one you're looking

976
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: forward to you get yourself a jersey and you'll be

977
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: off and running. Thank you so much for your time today. General.

978
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Man, thanks for having me there. You go, boys.

979
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: You got a chance to uh hear my conversation there

980
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: with Jonah and I was I was bad. I got

981
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: a chance to ask him about that Clemson game and

982
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of getting some of the specifics there. Yeah, they're

983
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: not trying to need anybody, you're pushing anybody, just want

984
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: to get you know, his answers, and I thought they

985
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: were they were outstanding. How do he admitted, Hey, maybe

986
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: experience with a couple of different things, and then uh

987
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: ended up settling down to play a little bit better

988
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: as he got comfortable there against Cleveland Furrow. Yeah, I

989
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: mean basically he said he was going to die on

990
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: that hill of of him him believing that he is

991
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle and that he is the best offensive

992
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: tackle an offensive lineman in the draft. Look, I appreciate

993
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the confidence, you know, and I think it's I think

994
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to his value as a prospect

995
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: that other teams are considering him in other positions. He's

996
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: got that kind of versatility. Yeah, he does have to

997
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: kind of verse. I look at it as a good thing, Buck,

998
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: do you, Yeah, I think so I wish he would

999
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: embrace it a little more. He's a little kind of abrasive,

1000
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: you can take respensive. Yeah, he brussels at the notion

1001
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: of maybe kicking down inside. But look, he's a guy

1002
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: at his verse that we talked about being a five

1003
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: position play. I think he could play all of those positions,

1004
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: but he may be best served to play inside. Guards

1005
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: are getting paid these days, you know, ten eleven million

1006
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: a year for guards. Zack Martin is doing all right, Yeah,

1007
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: absolutely that. Yeah, Yeah, let me let's let's tell the folks,

1008
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: good folks where they can catch the rest of the content.

1009
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, let's we're gonna we're gonna get you. NFL

1010
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1011
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,080
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1012
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,040
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1013
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1014
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: last little plug there for Path of the Draft. There

1015
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: come on six pm Easter Monday through Friday. Big episode

1016
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: coming up this week. We've got Ryan Finley coming back

1017
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: next week for a second installment as our recurring guest.

1018
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: Excited to talk to the North Carolina State quarterback once again,

1019
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: so I'll do it. We'll see you next time. Here

1020
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: on move a sex