1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Favor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we've 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: got a classic episode for you about the Gin and Tonic, 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: which is one of my very favors both drinks and 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: episode because it has one of my favorite cocktail facts 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: about cocktails that I probably of the facts the many 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: facts we've learned throughout this journey, it's one of the 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: ones I used the most that probably annoys my friends 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: because they've heard it before, and every time I'm like, 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: did you know Malary and the gin and tonic? Insert 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: story there? Yeah, it's well, it's a good story. Yeah. 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: This this is a very early episode back from and 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: um yeah yeah. I usually don't drink gin and tonic. 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a treat for me. I try 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: to avoid, um, sweetened SODA's in in my cocktails. Um, 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm more likely to order a gin and soda, probably 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: probably with some bitters in it. But oh man, it 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: is a gin and tonic is delicious. It's so refreshing. 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: Um And I know we've talked about it before, but 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: I was jen is one of my favorite alcohols now, 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: but it took me so long to come to it. 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: So Gin and Tonic. I know it has or at 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: least my friends tell me as a reputation as an 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: old man's drink, but I never had that association with it, 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't come along to it until verily recently. 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: And I just adore it. Um. And and I know 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: we've also said before, but we from this episode we 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: got to do two videos, not one, but two. We 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: got to make gin with Old Fourth Distillery, our friends 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: over at Old Fourth Distillery, and we got to have 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: a nine am Gin Tonics. Yeah, yeah, it was Both 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: were incredibly delightful. Those videos are still available I believe 33 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: on YouTube and um other places as well. Maybe Yeah, 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: and uh oh it was. It was really spectacular getting 35 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: both both processes, um, not just the having cocktails at 36 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: nine am part from No, No, it was fine. It 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: was fine. Um Bitters is um is shipping by the way, 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: and they do really spectacular um. I'm not sure the 39 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: last time I checked their tonic syrup was sold out. Um. 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, oh they do a great, great, great line 41 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: of better really beautiful stuff. Yeah, and the tonic syrup 42 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: is amazing. Oh it's so good. Um and really really 43 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: just increases your um your capacity to put that that 44 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: crnine flavor into various other things. But yeah, the gin 45 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and tonic in general UM has been seeing a bit 46 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: of popularity right now, especially in canned form, Like even 47 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: outside of the United Kingdom, what I know, canned cocktails 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: in general are rising in popularity, especially in the US 49 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: and Japan. I'm sure you've seen all of those Seltzer's UM, 50 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: which I am still a little bit perturbed by, UM, 51 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: but that's that's okay. Uh. Apparently after an episode of 52 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Fleabag aired that featured leading characters drinking canned gin and tonics, 53 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: specifically from Marks and Spencer. Uh, Marks and Spencer Gin 54 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: and Tonics sales spiked. That's excellent. I love that. I 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: must have this experience immediately right. Oh, it's beautiful. UM. 56 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: And I'm also seeing a lot of buzz about pink 57 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: gin and Tonic out of the UK, UM pink Gin 58 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: being um gin with anger Stora bitters at it. That's 59 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: interesting because there's also at the many food festivals we 60 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: used to attend when that was a thing. One of 61 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: always always I think it was beef Eater would be 62 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: there and they would have like a pink just everything 63 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: pink booth and I guess it was for their pink gin, 64 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: but I always assumed it was sort of a gimmick. 65 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it sort of is, but yeah, 66 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean it turns a lovely color of pink, and 67 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: pink has been a very popular color these past few years, 68 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. They also hand out I 69 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: have several of pink Fannie packs from them because they 70 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: give them out at these events. So I am the 71 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: most stylish. I'm so ready to spend summer being so 72 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: style in my apartment. Everyone's gonna miss out panty back. 73 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: I demand Instagram photos. Oh it's gonna be I'm gonna 74 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: be so happening to see Annie style corner. Yeah. Um. 75 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: Oh and and also, uh, I guess I guess after it. 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: You know that um that nest Lee brand that makes 77 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: the Little the Little after Dinner chocolate mint things. Yeah. Um, 78 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: they released a gin and tonic and mint flavor I 79 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: think in Germany, but the packaging is in English. I'm 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: very confused. Um. Interesting, Yeah, I think I saw that too, 81 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was well reviewed. Um, I'm 82 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: struggling to imagine mint going particularly well in that combination 83 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: of flavors. But uh, but you know, I'm happy if 84 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: people are happy. We always want that. Um. When I 85 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: did my cursory gin and tonic search, I think the 86 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: two things that stood out to me was one, this 87 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Australia distillery accidentally filled bottles of what was labeled as 88 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: gin with hand sanitizer. Oh oh no, but luckily it 89 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: was all fine. Uh no one was seriously injured, but one, 90 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: I think one Jin Jenker left a review that said 91 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: it was horrible. Oh no, oh dear, yes, but it 92 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: was all corrected, it was fine, and then not gin 93 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and tonic related at all, but made me giggle. Uh. 94 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: A result came up that said Delta is introducing beer 95 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: and wine flights, which I'm very curious about but also 96 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: interesting timing. But hey, I want your beer flight on 97 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: a flight. Okay, yeah, yeah, well I did see that. Yeah, 98 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: they're they're opening, Um, they're opening back up because for 99 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: for a while they weren't doing any booze service or 100 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: drink service I think, other than maybe bottled water on flights, 101 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: and so I know that they're opening back up. Not cocktails, 102 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: but beer and wine on flights now. Ah, but god, yeah, 103 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting, interesting, m flying places I miss. 104 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I miss a lot of stuff right now, y'all. Yes, yeah, 105 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: but I have the stuff for Gin and Tonic refrigerator 106 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: or did that later today? Oh? I do not. Oh, 107 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: I've been meaning to get some gin. I've been on 108 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: I've been on a pretty serious whiskey kick, um this 109 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: past few months. Oh sure, sure, no complaints. Um. One 110 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: of the I do keep running out of fizzy water 111 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: because I all so, I'm not going to the store 112 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: very often, and so I just my roommate and I 113 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: just run right through it. So it's yeah, yeah, you 114 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: gotta plan these things out. We were talking about this 115 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: before the show. My very intense scheduler. Now is not 116 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: all my social events, although that's on there too, it's 117 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: what am I eating for the next thing? Oh my gosh. 118 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Um, but yes, so we have this episode 119 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: about Gin and Tonic for you, and we're gonna let 120 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: former Annie and Lauren take it away. Hello, and welcome 121 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: to food Stuff. I'm Anyries and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And 122 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: this is the second edition of our cocktail our. Yes, 123 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: still no cocktails though, oh no, we don't know. We 124 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: we both have water don't we We do, but we 125 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: did to come straight from a distillery in Atlanta that 126 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: makes gin. Yeah, and we sampled some of the gin there. 127 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: We did way before lunch, that's true, but it was 128 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: for work, so for strictly research related purposes. It was 129 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: uh and it's old Fourth Distillery in Atlanta, and it 130 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, oh yeah, it was. It was really 131 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: really cool getting to watch the process of how gin 132 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: gets made. And we'll have a video on that out 133 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: around the time that this podcast comes out. Yes, and 134 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: this is probably the time when we should mention the 135 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: cocktail we are discussing. Yes, what you might know from 136 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: the from the title of the episode two. Oh yeah, 137 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: I hope so. But yeah, it's always good to get 138 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: that out there in the beginning. Oh yes, ye, Gin 139 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: and Tonic, Yes, that's what we're talking about today, right 140 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: or the G and T that's also called sometimes also 141 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: called gin tonic without the end, and right now it's 142 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: having a bit of a resurgence, a little bit of 143 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: a moment it in the past couple of years, particularly 144 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: in Spain, where it's sort of a national drink and 145 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: borderline obsession. Really. Yeah, they have like a variation on 146 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: it that has more ice and a garnish, and it's 147 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: served in a balloon glass that purportedly enhances your ability 148 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: to smell the drink. I have had one of these 149 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: um and it was lovely, and it came with one 150 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: of those big excuse circulars. Yeah. Those always make me 151 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: really happy. Yeah. Yeah that then again, as we found out, 152 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: as we find out every time we go on a 153 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: shoot together, very easily entertained. Yes, both of us are like, 154 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: there's bubbles, bubbles. The people working are like, okay, we're enthusiastic. Yes, 155 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: it's it's a positive, Yes, I think so. At any rate. 156 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: The Gin and Tonic UM, which I very much enjoy, 157 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: even just the regular way um, of course, has long 158 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: been a go to in Britain, where you can even 159 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: buy it in pre mixed cans, which I find slightly horrifying, 160 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: to be super honest. Yeah, I saw one of those 161 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: and I thought it was like, it kind of looks 162 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: similar to a fresca if anyone's familiar with that. So 163 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I went to kind of examine it more closely. Oh, 164 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: this is a Jenny tonic, okay. Winston Churchill once said 165 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: that quote. The Gin and Tonic has saved more englishmen's 166 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: lives and minds than all the doctors in the empire. Wow, 167 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: and the New York Times called the year of the 168 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: Gin and Tonic. But the gin and tonic has not 169 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: always been this trinity summer drink. Yeah. Uh, more on 170 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: that in a moment. But first, what's gin and tonic? Annie? Well, Lauren, 171 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it is a highball cocktail, which is 172 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: basically just an alcohol based spirit mixed with a larger 173 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: percentage of a mixer. And the alcohol base in this 174 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: case is you guessed it, gent gin And what could 175 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: the mixer be, It's tonic. Um. The order of operations 176 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: here typically is the gin, the tonic, lime juice if 177 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: you want it, that's optional, and ice. I've seen it 178 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: done other ways, but that's mostly what I came across 179 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: when I was researching this. And then a lime wedger 180 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: or twist to garnish rights. And typically the istio of 181 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: gin two tonic is somewhere between one to one or 182 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: one to three. And yeah, the lime wedge pretty important. 183 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: But that's it. Yeah, I mean, of course there's there's variations. Yeah, obviously, um, 184 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: popular ones put in at Angusta Angerstora I think okay, 185 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: we think mint and all kinds of tonic water things. 186 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: There's whatever tonic you choose to put in there. Yes, 187 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: there's so many options there. There's artisanal tonic water. My 188 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: boyfriend and pretty much everyone I talked to about it 189 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: in London's is by fever Tree, excellent brand. Um. You 190 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: can make your own tonic sirup, or you can do 191 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: both and mixing together. Yeah, there's a lot of options there. Um. 192 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: And since there are only two ingredients and there's usually 193 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: more tonic water than gin, you want to make sure 194 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: that you like the tonic water you're using if you 195 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: want to enjoy your beverage. Yes, And and it helps 196 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: if you like the gin that you're using as well. Yeah, 197 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: this is a drink that I think you really don't 198 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: want to get the cheap stuff. Um. And a personal 199 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: note for me, I did not know I liked gin 200 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and tonics until fairly recently because I was just drinking, 201 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: just drinking terrible, terrible gin and probably terrible tonic juice. 202 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: I was one of those people that was like it 203 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: days like a iron tree. Did you just call it 204 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: tonic juice? Yeah? That was pretty cool? Patented Yes, yes, Um, 205 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: my favorite every day affordable gin of choices eat or 206 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: twenty four by the way, and I did a tour 207 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: of their Uh I almost said, fury, that's not correct. 208 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: Distillery in London when I was there, and it was 209 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: really really cool. It's really neat man. Yeah, all the 210 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: distilleries now, just from now on, it's all I want 211 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: to do. Go visit distilleries, work on that I find. 212 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to put in that I find New Amsterdam 213 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: perfectly acceptable. But of course nice gents are nice. Um 214 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: number three London Dry might be my personal favorite. Sometimes 215 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: occasionally I like alcohol. Yeah, I mean, work with what 216 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: you got. But I do think that this is one 217 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: of the drinks that if you can get something a 218 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: little better, like the one I said, is only only 219 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: twenty bucks, So that's not terrible, not at all. Yeah. 220 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: But back to tonic water right. Bars in the US 221 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: have been criticized for using a soda gun for the 222 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: tonic water part um and that stuff, according to some 223 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: chefs or um b soologists, that doesn't have quinine in it. 224 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: It may or may not. It may or may not, 225 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: which is a bitter ingredient that we're going to talk 226 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: about a lot more and it's very important. It's this 227 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: whole thing. It's it's what makes tonic water taste like 228 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: tonic water, right, um, And that's why I mixologists suggest 229 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: to your questra tonic water out of a bottle. If 230 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: that sounds to me like I should have just saved 231 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: some bucks and ordered something else or made my own 232 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: at home. Up to you, to you, and yeah, the 233 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: key to this drink is balancing this bitter flavor of 234 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: the tonic water with the kind of flowery botanical herbal 235 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: herby kind of kind of flavors of the gin. Right, 236 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: And the key botanical the key ingredient is juniper in 237 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: the gin. Yes, it's the most prominent. Note it has 238 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: to be the most prominent. Note. You have to have juniper. 239 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: This is very serious, and not just to annie. But 240 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: but annie is illegally okay, oh that is serious. Good 241 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: in collagen, yes, okay, um. But but of course there's 242 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: lots of other ingredients and gin makers use to flavor 243 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: their products all kinds of stuff. Yeah, lemon peels, coriander seed, 244 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: almonds or liquor shoot, and angelica seed and they're so so, 245 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: so so many. The one that I like they use 246 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: tea I believe goodness. Yeah, And the Gin and Tonic 247 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: has been cited as an example of a food pairing 248 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: type drink, meaning that the two ingredients taste differently apart 249 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: than they do together. And this is because chemistry. Yeah. Yeah, 250 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: The molecules that give gin and tonic their flavor are 251 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: very similarly structured, so they attract and create aggregates that 252 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: change the taste more than the sum of their parts. Yeah. 253 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: So how did all of this get started? Yes, as 254 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: you might have gathered from that Churchill quote, we largely 255 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: have the British to think for the Gin and tonic, 256 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: And according to Slate, there was a period of time 257 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: when the G and T was quote as essential a 258 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: weapon for the British Empire as the Gatlinga, which is 259 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: a big claim, big claim. Yeah, and it turns out 260 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: that it's kind of true. Yeah, kind of, but let's 261 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: find out. Yes. As with most things, the origin story 262 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: of gin is a little difficult history to pin down, 263 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: but a sixteenth century Dutch physician, Celsius de bulb uh 264 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: He developed a highly alcoholic medicinal concoction called geneva um. 265 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: He used the essential oils of juniper berries, which he 266 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: believed was a curative and a circulation improver. Yeah, a 267 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: lot of alcohol started out as a curative. Yes, they're like, oh, yes, 268 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: this thing is healthy. We should definitely absolutely drink more 269 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: of it. Right, And the juniper berry, which comes from 270 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: a coniferous plant, has a history of being thought of 271 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: as this medicinal thing, going all the way back to 272 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: Italian monks using distilled spirits flavored with juniper berries as 273 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: a not actually working remedy for the plague. Oh yeah, well, 274 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: I guess at a certain point you're going to try 275 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: anything that you've got. That's true. I probably didn't make 276 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: things worse. Maybe it did. I think. I think at 277 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: the point of the plague, you you're not her in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 278 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: it might have made you feel better, I guess if 279 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: you Yeah, one can hope. Um. The story goes that 280 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: the English first encountered Gin either during the Dutch War 281 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: of Independence during the fifteen eighties or the thirty Year 282 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: War that took place from sixteen eighteen to sixteen, and 283 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: they gave it the nickname Dutch Courage or Gin, a 284 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: shortened version of Geneva. Yeah. Uh, And once William of 285 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Orange became King of England. After the Glorious Revolution of 286 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: Jin's popularity increased dramatically due to high tears placed on 287 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: the previously more popular hard liquor of the day, French brandy, 288 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: which motivated the English to find ways to make cheap 289 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: and they did, they really did. It was so very 290 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: cheap and and was used again in in a medicinal 291 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: kind of fashion. It was used to ease hunger, pains, 292 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: warm you against the cold, distract you from brutal, thankless 293 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: factory work, you know, and and give you a buzz right, 294 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, get that positive fun thing out of it too. Um. Also, 295 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: if the stillers couldn't find or didn't want to buy 296 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: juniper berries, they'd use turpentine or other horrible you should 297 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: not be drinking this type things. Yeah. Gin rooms typically 298 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: came with this signage over their door quote drunk for 299 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: a penny, dead, drunk for twopennies, clean straw for thing, 300 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: but the straw is usually soaked in foment. Yes, drink 301 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: responsibly kids. You probably should have said that at the 302 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: top of the podcast. Oh you're getting it now, you 303 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: made it this part, yes, um. English gin consumption would 304 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: skyrocket in the eighteenth century, leading to an uptick of 305 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: public drunkenness followed by the gin craze. It was a 306 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: freak out among those more well off the morality of 307 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: drinking gin. And this was my favorite part of the 308 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: beef Ever tour, by the way. It was like a 309 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: haunted house. It was like you were suddenly in a 310 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: haunted house because they had it like old London streets 311 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: and it was dark and there are people screaming and crying. 312 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: It was crazy. It sounds I hadn't thought about it 313 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: this way before, but this totally sounds like like reefer madness. Yeah, yeah, 314 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: it was really cool, but but but I mean kind of. 315 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: At the time, there were some terrible things happening because 316 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: of the the cheapness and the availability of gin in London. 317 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: The death rates surpassed the birth rate, and of babies 318 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: died by the age of five. Mothers with newborns would 319 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: give babies gin to calm them down. Um. The moms 320 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: themselves were sometimes addicted to gin and didn't provide their 321 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: children with much attention. They're giving that attention to the 322 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: gin um are or babies were born with fetal alcohol 323 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: syndrome and because women were more often impacted than men. 324 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Jin earned nicknames like quote, Ladies Delight and Mother's Ruin, 325 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: and that one is still around to this day Truan 326 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: and some popular gin bars are called that. Oh, and 327 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: this is very important. The gin we're talking about in 328 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: old London, that that's not today's jim. No. No, we 329 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: have improved distillation technologies, uh, safety regulations which are pretty 330 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: okay sometimes. Yes, And according to a Vice article I 331 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: read quote the gin of the eighteenth century was a 332 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: throat searing. I read in ing vomit, churning hell broth, 333 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: hell broth. Yeah. Oh, Vice has a way of putting things. 334 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: I have to say, hell broth. I might be hesitant 335 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: to and vibe hell broth, but I don't know. I 336 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of want to try it. It would depend if 337 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: it was a Halloween type situation. I'd give it a go. 338 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm in first step anyway. I drank 339 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: mold this week. That's true. We've had adventures. We have 340 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: watched the videos. Well. Despite the fact that I would 341 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: try hell broth, and certainly a lot of the English 342 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: were apparently more than trying hell broth. Uh. Not everyone 343 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: was on board for all of this. All of this 344 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: crazy gin behavior, and the government had a few things 345 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: to say about it, and we'll get to those after 346 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor, and 347 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: we're back, thank you, sponsor. So, in response to this 348 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: gin panic, the English Parliament drafted a series of laws 349 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: um eight Gin Acts to be exact, and these were 350 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: aimed at minimizing gin drinking during the seventeen thirties, in 351 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: in what historians compared to our modern day war on drugs. 352 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: The first Gin Act, a steep tax on jin, had 353 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: this glaring loophole, though, and the gin was defined as 354 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: something that had quote juniper berries or other fruit spices 355 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: or ingredients. Yeah, so people just didn't add those things 356 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: and therefore made what they what they called parliamentary brandy 357 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: m hm, and that kind of There was another Gin Act, 358 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: and they also people found a way around that one. 359 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: And then in four Judith de four killed her baby 360 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: and sold the babies clothes to buy gin, which resulted 361 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: in the third Gin Act, prohibiting sale of gin over 362 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: two gallons and enacting a stiff tariff of one pound 363 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: per gallon on top of the fifty pound annual license 364 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: fee required to sell it. And this did a good 365 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: job of putting legitimate sellers out of business and replacing 366 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: them with corner sellers who peddled dangerous, cheap stuff that 367 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: blinded and or killed people. Because we all know it's 368 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: always really good when you when a government tries to 369 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: crack down on I think the people really like yeah 370 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: uh it. And the Fourth Jen Act also rewarded and 371 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: protected informants, people who would tell the police give the 372 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: police information about it was selling gin, who was drinking gin. 373 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: But informants had to note the name of the renter 374 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: of a property selling gin for the authorities to act 375 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: on their tip. So Captain Dudley brad Street. Captain Dudley 376 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: brad Street, he sounds like an upstanding gentleman. Not really, 377 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: probably not. He circumvented this in seventeen thirty eight by 378 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: having a friend rent a house in London where he 379 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: nailed the sign of a cat in the window and 380 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: hit a pipe underneath the cat's paw. Captain Bradstreet got 381 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: some food, thirteen pounds worth of gin, and barricaded himself inside. 382 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: After he had spread the word that the next day 383 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: Jen would be available from a cat in the alley. 384 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: I'd be intrigued customers place coins and a slot over 385 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: the cat's mouth, and the captain slowly poured gin from 386 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: the pipe underneath the cat's paw. And he did this 387 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: for three months before copycats caused him to move on. 388 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: But despite what you might think and what I thought, 389 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: this probably isn't where old tom gin comes from. But 390 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: it did lead to the creation of puss and mews 391 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: houses where nyws like yeah, not like mus an idea yeah, 392 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: where a customer wanting to buy jin from a vendor 393 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: in some secluded space would say puss and the vendor 394 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: would say muse and reveal a drawer that the customer 395 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: would put their money in, which the vendor took and 396 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: then pushed it back out. But now magically it had ah. 397 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: That was magic, magic, a great kind of magic. H 398 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: But but but the but the people would We're not 399 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: having this. They wanted their gin. They did, And by 400 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: seventy three people were rioting in protest to these tariffs, 401 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: and despite the tariffs, Londoners were consuming eleven million gallons 402 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: of gin annually. By seventeen fifty, gin informers were killed 403 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: on the streets, sometimes by mobs who seventeen hundred social 404 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: historian Thomas Felding wrote in a political pamphlet about the 405 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: destruction GIN was reeking on what he called the quote 406 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: inferior people um. And he wrote, quote, A new kind 407 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: of drunkenness, unknown to our ancestors, is lately sprung up 408 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: among us, which, if not put to a stop, will 409 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: infallibly destroy a great part of the inferior people. The 410 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: drunkenness I here intends by this poison called jin, the 411 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: principal substenance parentheses, if it may be so called, of 412 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: more than a hundred thousand people in this troublous goodness. Yeah, 413 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: so yes. The government kept trying the Gin Act of 414 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: seventeen fifty one up to the costs of operation for 415 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: gin stores um, either due to that or more likely 416 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: the rising grain costs that translated to higher gin costs 417 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: for customers that encouraged them to switch to the cheaper beer. 418 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: Consumption of gin did lesson, but it was still miss 419 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: or mr popularity as spirits go in Britain. M hmmm. 420 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: And I just want to mention here that there's a 421 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: terrifying picture about the immoral stuff caused by Jin called 422 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: jin Lane by William Hogarth. And I stared at it, 423 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: discovering one horrifying thing after another for a long time. 424 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 1: On my store of b theater, Go go look it up. 425 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: If you're looking for something disturbing. It's oddly mesmerizing and terrifying. Well, 426 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: William Hogarth jin lane, go check it out. And the 427 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: negative connotation Jin earned during this Jin craze is still 428 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: around to this day and in phrases like gin joint, 429 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: jin drunk and soaked that's o gin and gin mills. 430 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: And I've never heard the term jin drunk, by the way, 431 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: but apparently this is becoming mean our emotional when you're drunk. Yeah, 432 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: so that's that's gin. Yeah. Now we should talk for 433 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: a moment about tonic. We should the other key ingredients. Yes, 434 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: so the tonic that we know today a sugar sweetened 435 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: carbonated soda that's flavored with the bitter tangy. Quinine is 436 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: also a thing that originated as a medicine, and specifically 437 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: as a treatment for malaria. Well now, Quinine is a 438 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: compound that occurs in nature, specifically in the bark of 439 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: a large shrub and or small tree called the Saint ConA, 440 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: which is native to the Andes Mountains in South America. 441 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: Unlike the Sancona, malaria is not native to South America. 442 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: The Spanish brought it with them during their invasion and colonization, 443 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: starting with Christopher Columbus in the late fourteen hundreds. He's 444 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: gonna show open every episode, one day, one day, Christopher. 445 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: And malaria was a really huge problem throughout Europe at 446 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: that time, where it was generally called the ague. Up 447 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: through the mid sixteen hundreds, no one knew what to 448 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: do about it. Folks would come down with this mysterious 449 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: flu like fever that would come and go and would 450 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: frequently cause complications leading to death, and a lot of 451 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: people were doing this. Although it didn't help that the 452 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: medicine in Europe was still focused on the humors um 453 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: and popular wisdom was that you should bleed or or 454 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: purge a patient with au ah. Other potential cures were astrology, 455 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: of course, and reportedly this one's my favorite, throwing a 456 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: patient head first into a shrub and encouraging him to 457 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: disentangle himself faster than the disease could disentangle itself. How 458 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the disease disentangle itself because it's a it's a it's 459 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: like a little spirit that's hanging out with you. And 460 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: so if you can get up faster than the disease, 461 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: then you leave the disease in the shrub. I see 462 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: totally logical. Completely. I don't know why I haven't tried this. 463 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: I need to get someone to throw me ahead first, 464 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: like some I've got any kind of like cold that 465 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: won't go Also, Kyle, no worries. But in the sixt thirties, though, 466 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: and Augustinian monk by the name of Antonio di Colancha, 467 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: I think, wrote home about the powdered bark of this 468 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Peruvian tree that was working wonders for the treatment of 469 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: a Q. Historians think that probably native people's developed this 470 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: cure in the couple hundred years that had been dealing 471 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: with malaria and passed it on to the Europeans. But 472 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: since Augustinian monk was getting excited about it, Pope Innocent 473 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: the Tenth had some of his people look into it, 474 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: and over the next hundred years or so it had 475 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: become a major European import and a widespread treatment and 476 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: preventative for malaria. Because quinine kills the parasite that causes malaria. 477 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: It turns out bully. It took a while for the 478 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: British to catch on, though, because its associations with the 479 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: Catholic Church freaked out a whole lot of Protestants. Oliver 480 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: Cromwell supposedly refused treatment with it, leading to his death 481 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: in the sixteen fifties, although he also had taiphoid fevers, 482 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: so it probably didn't help the situation. None of those things. 483 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: But catch on they did, and the Spanish basically had 484 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: a monopoly on the Peruvian crops, so they made a mint. 485 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: Legend has it that it was sometimes referred to as 486 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: bark from the fever tree. I see. Yeah. Meanwhile, throughout 487 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, Europe would go a little bit nuts 488 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: about sparkling mineral waters, first taken from natural springs and 489 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: then artificially produced through various carbonation processes. It was a 490 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: health trend, and also, you know, fizzies are fun um, 491 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: but these healthy sparkling beverages were sometimes called tonics, and 492 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Johann Jacob Schwepp, yes what that swept founded the first 493 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: carbonated water manufacturing company in Geneva in three mm sparkling 494 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: water Aside in eighteen twenty, after decades of scientists searching 495 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: for the compound in Santona that makes it such a 496 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: effective medicine. These two French pharmacists by the names of 497 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: do it for me Annie here Joseph and Joseph Vienna. 498 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: I think, oh that's oh see, yeah, that's a lot 499 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: better than I would have done. Thinking. The two of 500 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: them isolated uh coining and set up a factory for 501 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: its extraction in Paris, and this made it possible to 502 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: eat slightly less tree bark while attempting to not get malaria, 503 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: which I'm sure a lot of people were very fond of. Meanwhile, 504 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: as this was happening, the Spanish colonies in South America 505 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: were fighting for their independence, and afterward they would attempt 506 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: to control the lucrative sin shona industry by limiting or 507 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: flat out outlawing the exportation of seeds and cuttings of 508 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: sint Chona plants. But despite the price, all of the 509 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: conquering empires, including the British, were on board with Sincona 510 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: and Quinine and used it to start eradicating malaria in 511 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Europe Throughout the eighteen hundreds. However, malaria was still a 512 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: huge problem in the tropics, which is largely where the 513 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: conquering empires were getting their conquer on because of sugar 514 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: and other stuff sugar, sugar, and this all came to 515 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: a head in British run India during the early eighteen hundreds. 516 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: People were taking daily doses of crining to prevent malaria. 517 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Because it's so bitter, folks were starting to mix it 518 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: with sparkling water and a little bit of sugar, and 519 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: thus tonic water was born, which brings us to the 520 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: gin and tonic. But first it brings us to a 521 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, thank you sponsor. Okay, 522 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: now that we've got a gin, we've got our tonic. 523 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: Where did the idea of mixing them come from? Well, 524 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of a Merry Poppin situation. A spoonful 525 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: sugar helps the medicine go down. Around five British soldiers 526 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: in India started adding gin to their daily required quiney 527 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: tonic water, and also as an added bonus, the British 528 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: Navy squeezed in some lime juice to prevent scurvy. And 529 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: this is where the nickname for the British lime it 530 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: comes from. Oh, I know, I showed have guessed that 531 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: a long time ago. I feel very silly, now, Okay, 532 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: that's fine. By the eighteen forties, the British population in 533 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: India was using, in fact, more than seven hundred tons 534 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: a sincona bark per year to fight to fight malaria 535 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: there wow. And in eighteen fifty eight the British took 536 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: over governance of India from the British East India Company 537 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: following the violent Suppoly Revolution also called the Indian Mutiny. 538 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: A bunch of other names too, but those are that 539 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: those cover the bases um With more British soldiers and 540 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: their families in India than ever, the demand for tonic 541 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: water increased, which led to Erasmus Bond's creation the first 542 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: commercial tonic water in that same year, which you can 543 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: still buy. I've never heard of it, me neither, and 544 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: that led to schwepps H the Indian Quinine tonic in 545 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: eight seventy and both of these went on to find 546 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: success outside of India in Britain as well. Meanwhile, Charles Ledger, 547 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: an Englishman who became an alpaca farmer in Peru, smuggled 548 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: sconnaisseeds out of Peru to his brother during the eighteen 549 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: sixties because at the time it was still illegal to 550 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: export the trees or the seeds. Right. He actually had 551 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: a history of smuggling. He also smuggled alpaca out of 552 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: the country. He was just a smuggler, apparently better at 553 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: it than Han Solo. He didn't get caught, that's right, oh, 554 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: Solo Vern in the Gin and Tonic episode. Anyway, the 555 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: British government would not buy these these seeds that he 556 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: that he smuggled out, but the Dutch government would and did, 557 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: and they set up plantations on Java, which was one 558 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: of their colonial outposts. And so by World War One, 559 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: the Dutch pretty much dominated the coining trade, and by 560 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: the end of the century they controlled nine cent of 561 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: the world's supply. That's quite quite a large percentage. This 562 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: epitaph reads. By the way Charles Ledger, he gave coining 563 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: to the world. H Yeah, and the G and T 564 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: was also thought to have played a role in World 565 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: War two when the Japanese forces took over Java and 566 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: all those Sincona plantations, which equaled most of the world's supply. 567 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: According to Amy Stewart's book The Drunk Botanist, which I 568 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: absolutely want to read. Yeah, the last American plane out 569 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: of Indonesia had four million corining seeds on board, but 570 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: to no immediate a veil because the trees would take 571 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: too long to grow to be of any use during 572 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: the war. But that didn't stop the Allies from planting 573 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: trees in Africa at the same time putting scientists work 574 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: developing a synthetic replacement. Ah, and both succeeded. To this day, 575 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: Africa grew o natural coining and this and the synthetic 576 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: version is used in some prescriptions. Yeah, because it's still 577 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: used as an antimalarial m HM and for some other things. 578 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: But that's a different episode entirely. It is it is. 579 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 1: That's pretty much the history of the gin and tonic. 580 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: We obviously, as always had to shorten it. Especially we 581 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: didn't talk about how you distill gin. We're going to 582 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: do that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should. We should definitely 583 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: do a whole episode about more more gin things. There's 584 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: really quite a lot. It's it's such a base alcohol 585 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: that there's quite a lot to say about it. And 586 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: we also just today as we as we said, we've 587 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: got to go see it being distilled. So this is 588 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: new knowledge that's park lating in our brains. It's true. 589 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: We do have a few closing remarks, Yes, including you 590 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: can make your own gin at home using vodka, um, 591 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: juniper berries you have to and other botanicals um. And 592 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people say that jen is 593 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: basically flavored vodka, and I mean that's true. Yeah, it's 594 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: a it's a neutral spirit to which juniper berries have 595 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: been added to. That is the definition of chin. Yeah. 596 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: I have to say I was surprised when I was like, 597 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: how do you make gin? And there were so many 598 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: recipes that were just like cheap vodka for berries, And 599 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: I was kind of like at that point maybe by 600 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: just maybe, but I'm all down for trying things. Yeah, 601 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: could it could be great if you want to experiment 602 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: with with your own flavors. Then absolutely didn't do it. Yeah. 603 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean I I want to go put tea in 604 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: some gin right now. It was good. Yeah. Uh, tonic 605 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: water glows under black light because not because of the 606 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: quining in it. Yeah. So that's a really fun Halloween trick. Um. 607 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: If you if you want to make a cheap Halloween decorations, 608 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: just toss some coining in some in some vases and 609 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: let them go. I thought you're gonna say, like throw 610 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: it on the walls that I'm clean up. That wouldn't 611 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: be very effective. I would drive pretty fast. Okay. And finally, 612 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: here's a quote from Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Oh, 613 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: this is so delightful. Gay. Yes, I'm gonna try to 614 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: get through these pronunciations, but we'll see. It is as follows, 615 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: of all known worlds in the galaxy, be they primitive, 616 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: are highly advanced, have invented a drink called gin and tonics, 617 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: our gene and Nicks or gene nicks, or any one 618 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: of a thousand or more variations on the same phonetic theme. 619 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: Douglas Adams. Yes, and that brings us to the end 620 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 1: of this classic episode. We hope that you enjoyed it. 621 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: If it is something that you like, we hope a 622 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 1: gin and tonic is in your future. Yes, and we, 623 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: as always would love to hear from you. 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