WEBVTT - The Very Dust, Part 1

0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.840
<v Speaker 3>My name is Robert Land, and I am Joe McCormick,

0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.439
<v Speaker 3>and today we're going to be kicking off a series

0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.959
<v Speaker 3>about the topic of dust. I came to this one

0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:29.040
<v Speaker 3>along a quite literal route. I was recently cleaning out

0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.960
<v Speaker 3>some boxes that I had stored in a closet for years,

0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.000
<v Speaker 3>and in the process stirred up a bunch of dust

0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.239
<v Speaker 3>and then I just sat there breathing it while I

0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.160
<v Speaker 3>was going through all my old stuff trying to figure

0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.000
<v Speaker 3>out what to get rid of and all that. And

0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.000
<v Speaker 3>this process greatly irritated my airways. But through the irritation,

0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.800
<v Speaker 3>I ended up thinking a lot about dust and about

0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:54.240
<v Speaker 3>what dust means to us. So we're surrounded by dust

0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.320
<v Speaker 3>all the time. You know, it's in all of our homes,

0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's a major concern of simple cleanliness and hygiene

0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.679
<v Speaker 3>in the house. But it's also of huge significance to

0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.720
<v Speaker 3>the natural environment, to cycles of weather and water, and

0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.759
<v Speaker 3>it is of great significance to our health. Dust has

0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.280
<v Speaker 3>so much influence on our lives. And yet it's interesting

0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that when you think about the way dust imagery is

0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.760
<v Speaker 3>used in like, you know, metaphors and poetry and mythology

0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.759
<v Speaker 3>and all that. It seems to me that what dust

0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:34.120
<v Speaker 3>is most often used to symbolize is uselessness, worthlessness, meaninglessness,

0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.240
<v Speaker 3>things of no lasting significance.

0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was. I picked up a Brewer's Dictionary of

0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Phrase and fable, just looking up dust and seeing what

0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of like maybe old antiquated terminology and sayings might

0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.600
<v Speaker 2>be invoked there. And sure enough there was one for

0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.200
<v Speaker 2>referring to money as dust, which I had not run

0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.559
<v Speaker 2>across before. Like the idea of being like it's money,

0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.040
<v Speaker 2>it's ultimately worthless, and therefore you call it dust.

0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Vocabulary in that way is like a talisman against the

0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:03.520
<v Speaker 3>power of money.

0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Examples of this kind of usage of dust meaning

0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:13.600
<v Speaker 3>that which is worthless, meaningless, you know, of no lasting significance.

0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.480
<v Speaker 3>These go back to ancient myths and religious literature. But

0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.520
<v Speaker 3>one of the most famous examples that came to my

0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.880
<v Speaker 3>mind is in Shakespeare's Hamlet. It's the Quintessence of Dust

0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.040
<v Speaker 3>monologue in Act Too Seen To where Hamlet is talking

0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.520
<v Speaker 3>to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, and he says famously what a

0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.320
<v Speaker 3>piece of work is a man? How noble in reason,

0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.799
<v Speaker 3>how infinite in faculty, in form and moving, how express

0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.959
<v Speaker 3>and admirable in action, How like an angel in apprehension,

0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.120
<v Speaker 3>how like a god? The beauty of the world, the

0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.760
<v Speaker 3>paragon of animals? And yet to me, what is this

0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:56.560
<v Speaker 3>quintessence of dust? So the final thought there is kind

0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.480
<v Speaker 3>of the negation of everything he said beforehand, all of

0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.799
<v Speaker 3>the amazing powers of humankind or beauty, or the way

0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.760
<v Speaker 3>in which we are made in the image of God.

0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.960
<v Speaker 3>According to Hamlet, ultimately mankind is as worthless and meaningless

0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.799
<v Speaker 3>as the dust from which it was made. And this

0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.760
<v Speaker 3>betrays a kind of running theme of obsession with physical death,

0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:22.799
<v Speaker 3>which sort of neutralizes all meaning and renders everything pointless.

0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess when Hamlet is in his depressive moods.

0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's of course the line in the Bible,

0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the King James version being for dust thou art, and

0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.560
<v Speaker 2>unto dust, thou shalt thou return, which you know, is

0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.080
<v Speaker 2>pretty on point, but I think it also misses all

0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of the dust in between, because it will be discussing

0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.680
<v Speaker 2>like dust is just so ubiquitous. It's not just like

0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that thing at the beginning of the end, like it's

0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.200
<v Speaker 2>everywhere in between two, Like it's in the living body,

0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it's brought into the living body, it's in the living world,

0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's out there in the cosmos.

0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well that's kind of a beautiful observation. I

0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.160
<v Speaker 3>like that counterpoint that, of course life in many ways

0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.680
<v Speaker 3>is dust. There is a dust of life in the

0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.360
<v Speaker 3>same way that there is a dust of death. But

0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I also still think that it's intriguing and curious that

0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.520
<v Speaker 3>there's so much literature and poetry and stuff where the

0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:19.480
<v Speaker 3>image of dust seems to emphasize almost cosmic horror, you know,

0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.719
<v Speaker 3>the great vast emptiness and negation of all of life's

0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.760
<v Speaker 3>grandiose illusions of worth, Like why is that? What is

0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.040
<v Speaker 3>it about if you look at a pile of dust?

0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:34.480
<v Speaker 3>What is it about a pile of fine, granular particles

0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.480
<v Speaker 3>of matter that takes on such a powerfully depressing symbolic heft.

0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fear and a handful of dust.

0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.919
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, I guess a good place to start for

0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.159
<v Speaker 3>the series is to tackle the question quite literally, what

0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.640
<v Speaker 3>is dust in a physical sense? And I found that

0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.800
<v Speaker 3>in scientific usage, the stuff that we call dust is

0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:59.640
<v Speaker 3>often broken down with more specific terminology depending on the field.

0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.640
<v Speaker 3>But I did find a book actually that gave what

0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I thought was a really good definition of dust generally.

0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.480
<v Speaker 3>So I came across this because I was reading an

0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.240
<v Speaker 3>interview in Wired magazine with an author named Jay Owens.

0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.200
<v Speaker 3>She's the author of a twenty twenty three book called

0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Dust The Modern World in a Trillion Particles, and I

0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.560
<v Speaker 3>like the author's thoughts, so I ended up buying the

0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.920
<v Speaker 3>book to explore the topic more. And by the way,

0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.520
<v Speaker 3>this book isn't purely about like the science of dust.

0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.080
<v Speaker 3>It delves into politics and religion and philosophy and so forth.

0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.040
<v Speaker 3>But in terms of a physical definition, the definition of

0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.479
<v Speaker 3>dust the author uses is tiny flying particles. This is

0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.720
<v Speaker 3>sort of a compromise that works across multiple domains, and personally,

0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.320
<v Speaker 3>I think it works quite well because it captures the

0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:52.159
<v Speaker 3>three main properties common to all the things we call dust,

0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:57.320
<v Speaker 3>so tiny flying particles. First, we look at particles, meaning

0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.080
<v Speaker 3>pieces of solid matter. In the atmospheric sciences, people often

0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.719
<v Speaker 3>talk about the idea of aerosols, meaning particles or droplets

0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.680
<v Speaker 3>that are suspended in the air, like suspended within a gas.

0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.400
<v Speaker 3>But this includes things that obviously aren't what people mean

0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.599
<v Speaker 3>by dust, such as floating liquid droplets like mist or fog,

0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and many types of air pollution contain a mix of

0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.719
<v Speaker 3>liquids and solid particulates. But in common usage, I think

0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.400
<v Speaker 3>dust means a substance made mostly of solid particles. Right.

0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.479
<v Speaker 3>Second element of tiny flying particles we can look at tiny.

0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.120
<v Speaker 3>There is no universally agreed upon size for dust particles,

0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.000
<v Speaker 3>but based on reading Owens and other sources, it seems

0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.080
<v Speaker 3>that what we call dust is always made of particles

0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.560
<v Speaker 3>less than a millimeter in diameter, and usually on a

0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.120
<v Speaker 3>scale of one hundred to one thousand times smaller than

0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.240
<v Speaker 3>a millimeter, which means between one and ten micrometers or

0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.560
<v Speaker 3>microns in size. So again, a micrometer is one one

0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.600
<v Speaker 3>thousandth of a millimeter. And for comparison, Owen's notes that

0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.400
<v Speaker 3>human hair is on average somewhere between seventy and ninety

0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.760
<v Speaker 3>micrometers in width. So if I did the math on this, right,

0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.240
<v Speaker 3>what we call dust is usually somewhere between one percent

0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.920
<v Speaker 3>to about fifteen percent the width of a human hair.

0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, So very often the particles of dust we're talking about,

0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.240
<v Speaker 2>they're not even really visible to the human eye. Though

0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.840
<v Speaker 2>again you're going to have some particles that are larger than.

0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Others exactly, and they're things that are often not visible

0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.280
<v Speaker 3>on their own but are visible in aggregate.

0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. So like when you walk in and you decide

0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.240
<v Speaker 2>to sit down at your hobby table, I don't know,

0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.120
<v Speaker 2>your typewriter, whatever air of your house is beloved but

0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.400
<v Speaker 2>perhaps neglected, and you say, who put all this dust here?

0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You know you I can think of it in terms

0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.360
<v Speaker 2>of who put all of these dust particles here on

0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.080
<v Speaker 2>my hobby table? You know it's you see it again

0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.960
<v Speaker 2>in aggregate, like you said, and how did they get there? Well,

0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that goes right into your next point, right, So.

0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.760
<v Speaker 3>The third part of Owen's definition tiny flying particles is flying.

0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.600
<v Speaker 3>So a core element of dust is that dust particles

0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.760
<v Speaker 3>can easily be stirred up by airflow and other types

0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.600
<v Speaker 3>of physical agitation, and then they float in the atmosphere

0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.760
<v Speaker 3>for a significant time before settling down. So you might

0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.200
<v Speaker 3>think of, say, grains of sand on the beach as

0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.320
<v Speaker 3>tiny particles, but a lot of those grains are large

0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.040
<v Speaker 3>enough that if you grab a fistful of sand off

0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.800
<v Speaker 3>of beach and you throw it up in the air,

0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.000
<v Speaker 3>those grains of sand will plummet straight back down to

0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.520
<v Speaker 3>the ground. However, some of the mass of that fistful

0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.480
<v Speaker 3>of sand will probably be made up of dust sized

0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.520
<v Speaker 3>particles which will remain in the air as a cloud

0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.000
<v Speaker 3>for some time, while the larger grains just fall to

0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.520
<v Speaker 3>the earth. So a characteristic feature of dust is its

0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.920
<v Speaker 3>ability to float in the air but also to travel

0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.360
<v Speaker 3>on the air. So this made me think about how

0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.680
<v Speaker 3>when you see a surface in your house, so maybe

0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.679
<v Speaker 3>a bookshelf in dust, you don't look directly above it

0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.480
<v Speaker 3>to see where the dust was falling from. Maybe you

0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.640
<v Speaker 3>do if you see larger pieces of something on top

0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.000
<v Speaker 3>of it. But if it's just dust, we understand that

0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.800
<v Speaker 3>dust migrates on currents of air and it settles somewhere

0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.160
<v Speaker 3>potentially very far from its origin. So it doesn't just fall,

0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.400
<v Speaker 3>but it travels. So that's the rundown of Owen's definition,

0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.160
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's a good one. Dust is made

0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:30.439
<v Speaker 3>of tiny flying particles. But there's another sense of the

0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.160
<v Speaker 3>question what is dust? And that sense is what is

0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.959
<v Speaker 3>it made of? And this is another interesting point that

0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Owen's race is. In the introduction of her book, she

0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.880
<v Speaker 3>argues that dust is also defined by quote A certain

0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:49.680
<v Speaker 3>loss of context, an inherent formlessness. And that might sound

0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.840
<v Speaker 3>maybe overly poetic, but I think that's actually a quite

0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.800
<v Speaker 3>good specific point. It's the fact that dust is made

0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:01.080
<v Speaker 3>of many different substances and we don't know what they are,

0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.040
<v Speaker 3>and that is what makes it dust. Because if we

0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.959
<v Speaker 3>did know exactly what it was made of, and we

0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.400
<v Speaker 3>saw it, say, pouring in fine floating grains from its

0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.720
<v Speaker 3>original source, we probably wouldn't call it dust. We would

0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.520
<v Speaker 3>call it whatever it was. We might say, look, that

0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.760
<v Speaker 3>is oak pollen, or that is pet dand or floating

0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.960
<v Speaker 3>off of my dog, or that is silica powder coming

0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.800
<v Speaker 3>out of a container, or it's you know, concrete dust

0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.360
<v Speaker 3>coming up off of a concrete being mixed in a bucket.

0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.520
<v Speaker 3>It is the loss of its original context and the

0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.800
<v Speaker 3>mixing together with other such substances lost from their original context,

0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:44.440
<v Speaker 3>to that blending together that makes these unknown particles simply dust.

0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's only in the Hollywood context that you have

0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a definite source of dust. I was looking around at

0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.000
<v Speaker 2>some of these gadgets earlier. You can pick up like

0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.280
<v Speaker 2>a handcrake dust gun for pretty cheap, and then you

0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.560
<v Speaker 2>have you know, far more advanced models as well. Where

0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.559
<v Speaker 2>you would actually have the dust particles inside of a

0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.040
<v Speaker 2>reservoir and then you are spraying them out onto a surface.

0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.240
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you can get that like nice haunted

0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.679
<v Speaker 2>manner layer of dust so that your lead actor can

0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.240
<v Speaker 2>come in, you know, perhaps drag their finger over the

0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.560
<v Speaker 2>surface of a piano and then look around at the

0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.600
<v Speaker 2>haunted surroundings. But then you have to do another take

0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and spend several minutes like removing all the dust and

0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.880
<v Speaker 2>then apply reapplying the dust. I've heard accounts of that

0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing in movie production before.

0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Now, what about when the actor who's like been through

0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot, like you know, they're coming in out of

0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.360
<v Speaker 3>the desert or something and they pat themselves and the

0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.360
<v Speaker 3>dust comes off of them in a cloud. I wonder

0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.720
<v Speaker 3>do they have to get redusted again each take?

0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I bet so. I mean there's all sorts of I mean,

0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.760
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of the reverse of the whole like having

0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.959
<v Speaker 2>to polish Darth Vader's helmet, you know, constantly to make

0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.520
<v Speaker 2>sure sure that you're not getting any smudges on there

0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything. But yeah, you're interested in the cinematic dusting. Yeah,

0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.200
<v Speaker 2>you can go to various websites and you can look

0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.000
<v Speaker 2>up the movie dust. You can buy it in various sizes,

0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.640
<v Speaker 2>various instruments to to spray the movie dust around.

0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:26.640
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of fun, okay.

0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.319
<v Speaker 3>So dust is the name for tiny flying particles from

0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.000
<v Speaker 3>an unknown source. But when we actually get in there

0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.160
<v Speaker 3>with the microscope and the lab equipment, we of course

0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.240
<v Speaker 3>can study dust and figure out where it comes from

0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.040
<v Speaker 3>and what it's made of. So what is dust most

0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.440
<v Speaker 3>often made of when we encounter it? Of course, it

0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.240
<v Speaker 3>depends where you're taking the sample from. Worldwide, Owen says

0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.480
<v Speaker 3>the most prevalent type of dust is mineral in origin,

0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.439
<v Speaker 3>so tiny grains of rock broken apart by natural processes

0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.520
<v Speaker 3>or worn down by erosion, and you know they come

0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.120
<v Speaker 3>from the rocks, the rock layers of earth, and these

0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:10.120
<v Speaker 3>minerals are born aloft by winds and other primarily by winds,

0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.600
<v Speaker 3>but by whatever source agitates them. Inside a home, a

0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.679
<v Speaker 3>lot of the dust you will find still does come

0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.880
<v Speaker 3>from soil tracked in or blown in from the outside,

0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.880
<v Speaker 3>but there are also non soil particles carried in from outside,

0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.400
<v Speaker 3>including pollen and particulates in the air that come from combustion,

0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.560
<v Speaker 3>such as soot. Soot can be a big constituent of dust.

0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.080
<v Speaker 3>Also soot from any combustion happening inside the house. Cooking

0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:41.600
<v Speaker 3>in the house is a large source of particles inside

0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.439
<v Speaker 3>the air of a home. But also there are, I

0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.920
<v Speaker 3>don't know, depending on your point of view, perhaps grosser

0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.280
<v Speaker 3>sources of dust, but hair from humans and pets, dead

0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.679
<v Speaker 3>skin cells from humans, as well as pet dander, you know,

0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.679
<v Speaker 3>stuff coming off of the skin of pets. There are

0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:03.040
<v Speaker 3>fibers from inorganic sources in the home, fibers from carpets, furniture,

0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:08.120
<v Speaker 3>and clothing, other organic particles like pieces of dead insects,

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.559
<v Speaker 3>wonderful little cockroach crumbs all over the house. And then

0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.080
<v Speaker 3>just you know, random stuff, tiny bits of random garbage

0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.920
<v Speaker 3>like pieces of paper, waste, and plastic.

0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.720
<v Speaker 2>This episode is brought to you by dusting. Have you

0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.880
<v Speaker 2>dusted today? Don't you want to? Now?

0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, let me give you another reason, because among all that,

0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.320
<v Speaker 3>there is something else, some part of the dust itself

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.920
<v Speaker 3>which is alive and feeding and growing and living amongst

0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.720
<v Speaker 3>us always, and that is dust mites. I got really

0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.400
<v Speaker 3>interested in dust mites for this episode, so I wanted

0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.320
<v Speaker 3>to do a little sidebar here on dust mites. So

0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.280
<v Speaker 3>there are many types of mites. House dust mites are

0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.600
<v Speaker 3>one particular branch of them, belonging to the family pyro glyffidy.

0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.800
<v Speaker 3>And I was trying to parse the name. That name

0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.440
<v Speaker 3>through its Greek roots pyro is fire and glyphid would

0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.120
<v Speaker 3>seem to mean like carving. But then I found a

0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 3>source saying exactly what it means. And the name of

0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.120
<v Speaker 3>the pyroglyphid mites comes from the fact that these dust

0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.600
<v Speaker 3>mites can cause irritation on the skin, rashes and irritation

0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.480
<v Speaker 3>on human skin, like burns from fires, like fire carvings

0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.400
<v Speaker 3>on the skin. So house dust mites are microscopic bugs

0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.120
<v Speaker 3>that can be found all throughout human dwellings. They are

0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.800
<v Speaker 3>They're not insects. Instead, they are eight legged arachnids, more

0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.520
<v Speaker 3>closely related to spiders than to insects. They are microscopic

0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:42.520
<v Speaker 3>and can possibly be seen without the aid of a microscope,

0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.440
<v Speaker 3>but would rarely be noticed without visual magnification. Their body

0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.640
<v Speaker 3>lengths are on the order of a few hundred micrometers.

0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.440
<v Speaker 3>So these dust mites are in many human homes, living

0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.320
<v Speaker 3>all around us. How do these dust mites make a living?

0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.280
<v Speaker 3>What are they doing in our homes? You might be

0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.840
<v Speaker 3>able to guess that by knowing the genus name of

0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.720
<v Speaker 3>a couple of the most common varieties of house dustmites.

0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:14.200
<v Speaker 3>That genus name is Dermatophagoides skin eaters. They are skin

0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.200
<v Speaker 3>eaters generally dead skin that is already flaked off of

0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.160
<v Speaker 3>your body, so fortunately you know, usually they can they

0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.320
<v Speaker 3>can find something that's not still attached to you.

0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Polite skin eaters they.

0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Hunt for these discarded rafts of mammal skin in the

0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:35.160
<v Speaker 3>microforests of our homes, in carpets, mattresses, in the soft

0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.160
<v Speaker 3>weave of furniture. But despite their tiny size and the

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.600
<v Speaker 3>fact that they're usually looking for stuff that has already

0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 3>fallen off of you, house duestomites and their feces are

0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.080
<v Speaker 3>a major problem for humans. They are a major source

0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.520
<v Speaker 3>of allergens within the home. In fact, according to one

0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.360
<v Speaker 3>paper that I'm going to get to in just a second,

0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:01.440
<v Speaker 3>pyroglyphid mites are the single greatest source of allergic symptoms

0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 3>in human beings.

0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Total.

0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.000
<v Speaker 3>The authors of the paper estimate that they cause allergies

0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.600
<v Speaker 3>in somewhere between sixty five million and one point two

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:11.719
<v Speaker 3>billion people.

0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.960
<v Speaker 2>This episode is also brought to you by washing your sheets.

0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Have you washed your sheets lately, don't you want to?

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Now, I want to clarify that these are these are

0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.320
<v Speaker 3>different than bedbugs, by the way, Yes, yeah, dust mites.

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean they'll they'll find them all over the place.

0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.800
<v Speaker 3>They're not the same as bedbugs. You know, bed bugs

0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.040
<v Speaker 3>are looking for a blood meal. The dustimites are looking

0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.040
<v Speaker 3>for the skin flakes. Now here's maybe a good point

0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 3>to describe what they look like, Rob. I've attached some

0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:45.000
<v Speaker 3>pictures of dustimites for you. These are several micrographs of pyroglyphids.

0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.240
<v Speaker 3>So what do you see here?

0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean they basically look like the head crabs from

0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.959
<v Speaker 2>the old Half Live video games.

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.320
<v Speaker 3>That's perfect, That's exactly it. Yeah, one of these. So

0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.480
<v Speaker 3>some of these are like scanning electron micrographs. I guess that.

0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're a lot of texture. It's false color,

0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.359
<v Speaker 3>I guess. But in the one shown from right above,

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean they've got a bit of a spidery appearance

0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 3>because they have eight legs and these you know, the

0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.480
<v Speaker 3>these mouth parts up in the front, the kind of

0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.560
<v Speaker 3>finger fangs sort of. But also one of these big

0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 3>pictures we have to look at, the skin just looks

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of like wrinkly and deflated. It's like a half

0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 3>inflated basketball.

0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. I'd also like how the wrinkle on this

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 2>particular image looks kind of like a mouth, So it

0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of looks like some sort of a whiskery Muppet creature,

0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.240
<v Speaker 2>like from like a nineties Muppet creature, not a classic Muppet.

0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it looks exactly like either the Nightmare Before Christmas,

0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.440
<v Speaker 3>the Oogie Boogieman, or looks like the sorting hat from

0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:45.560
<v Speaker 3>the Harry Potter movies.

0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The really magnified images I have for you are

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.440
<v Speaker 3>the the false color images, but the ones in true

0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.800
<v Speaker 3>color you can see that they're generally kind of white

0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.520
<v Speaker 3>in appearance. Again, they're very very small, so hard to

0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.480
<v Speaker 3>see with the naked eye, but kind of white and

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 3>a little bit grub like in appearance, with the limbs

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.679
<v Speaker 3>coming out in the front in a larger sort of

0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.160
<v Speaker 3>white bulb of a body extending behind. Now, I wanted

0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.439
<v Speaker 3>to come back and take a brief look at a

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.440
<v Speaker 3>dust mite paper that I just brought up a minute ago.

0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 3>This is a paper called is Permanent Parasitism Reversible Critical

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Evidence from early evolution of house dust mites. This is

0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.199
<v Speaker 3>by Pavel B. Klimov and Barry O'Connor published in Systematic

0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Biology in twenty thirteen, and there are a couple of

0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.480
<v Speaker 3>things I wanted to talk about here. First is just

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:42.879
<v Speaker 3>a passage directly about the allergenic quality of these mites,

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:46.520
<v Speaker 3>about why the feces of pyroglyphid mites are so prone

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.360
<v Speaker 3>to cause irritation and allergic reaction in humans the author's

0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 3>right quote. Dust mites feed on organic debris such as

0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 3>shed skin and flourish in nests of vertebrates, including human dwellings.

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 3>The mites severe allergenic properties are linked to their powerful

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 3>digestive and molting enzymes, salivary secretions, and other water soluble molecules.

0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:17.240
<v Speaker 3>For example, large quantities of digestive enzymes accumulate in mite's

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:22.800
<v Speaker 3>fecal material, minute particles that can easily become airborne when

0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 3>inhaled or in contact with skin. The residual mite enzymes

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.959
<v Speaker 3>may break up tight junctions between epithelial cells and trigger

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 3>allergic reactions. So these mites they make tiny poops, and

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.560
<v Speaker 3>their tiny poops are full of the digestive enzymes that

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.560
<v Speaker 3>they use to break down their food, and their food

0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:48.359
<v Speaker 3>is human skin flakes and in the broader context, things

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 3>that contain keratin, like of course skin cells, but also

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 3>like bird feathers, which these animals also eat. So it

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.720
<v Speaker 3>is like they have evolved a digestive enzyme that makes

0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.679
<v Speaker 3>it possible for them to eat difficult to digest things

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.679
<v Speaker 3>that fall off of us and get nutrition out of that.

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 3>And then they poop, and their poop contains the enzymes

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 3>that allow them to break that stuff down. And then

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.960
<v Speaker 3>that poop gets stirred up in the air and becomes

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 3>part of the dust in our homes and gets on

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.240
<v Speaker 3>people's skin and in their airways and so forth. But anyway,

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 3>to come to a bigger picture issue, the real point

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 3>of this paper is related to the evolutionary history of

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:34.480
<v Speaker 3>the house dust might how did these microscopic animals end

0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 3>up living this way, crawling through the jungles of the

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 3>couch cushions, you know, getting into the area rug to

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.119
<v Speaker 3>munch on our dead skin flakes. How did they end

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 3>up that way? Well, the authors of this paper used

0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.640
<v Speaker 3>genomic evidence cross comparing different lineages of mites of these

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 3>pyroglyphids and related organisms to show that these free living

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.360
<v Speaker 3>mites within our homes. It used to be even closer

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 3>companions than they are now. They evolved from fully obligate

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:12.160
<v Speaker 3>permanent parasites of warm blooded vertebrates like birds and mammals

0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 3>the author's right quote. We propose that parasitic ancestors of

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:22.439
<v Speaker 3>pyroglyphids shifted to nests of vertebrates. Later, the nest inhabiting

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 3>pyroglyphids expanded into human dwellings to become a major source

0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 3>of allergens. So these evolved from creatures that were once

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 3>free living organisms and then evolved a tight specialized parasite

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 3>relationship with warm blooded vertebrates like mammals and birds and

0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.199
<v Speaker 3>would live directly on the host, and then shifted away

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 3>from that tight specific parasitic relationship to be to have

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 3>a more loose relationship, to be free living into somewhat,

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, to sort of scavenge what falls off of

0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 3>the host animal or the former host animal. And that's

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 3>interesting because this kind of despecialization from a tight parasite

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 3>host relationship to a more generalized free living dust no

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 3>mad lifestyle was considered quite unusual, something that is rarely

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 3>observed in evolution, and at some times in the past

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 3>was thought impossible. But it's clearly not impossible. It's just

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 3>evolutionarily difficult to do to get out of that sort

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 3>of tight, tight adaptive dead end where you are stuck

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>in a relationship with this host animal to become a

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.920
<v Speaker 3>little more of a generalist and get a little bit

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 3>more distance and still be able to survive.

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>What's like, it's almost like evolutionarily they survive the passage

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 2>to the promised land, the promised land being the augmented

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>environment that is the human home.

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I mean they have to they

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 3>still have to be very specialized to survive within the

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 3>human home. They have to be able to tolerate different

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 3>kinds of environmental conditions than they would if they were

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.879
<v Speaker 3>living directly on the on the mammal or the bird body. Like,

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 3>they have to be able to tolerate less reliability. And

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 3>I think I think one of the things is they

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.679
<v Speaker 3>have to be more resistant to dehydration, you know, because

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 3>like it's harder to get water when you're just living

0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 3>in the dust.

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.479
<v Speaker 3>They have to have these digestive enzymes that allow them

0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 3>to break down difficult foods like the keratin and skin

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 3>skin cells and stuff like that. But apparently they got

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.400
<v Speaker 3>all the right adaptations, and now they're here. Now they're

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:30.959
<v Speaker 3>living in the in the couch cushion.

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's my understanding that humidity is key. You look

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>around and you see various advice about dust mites in

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the home, and like some some people advise having a dehumidifier,

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 2>for example, trying things out a bit, and then on

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 2>top of that, of course washing sheets and so forth

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 2>to appropriate temperatures, and some people advocate like putting I

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 2>guess in cases where you don't have time to do

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>this and you're dealing perhaps with you know, some sort

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>of a more severe allergy to them, putting bedding in

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>the freezer for a certain amount of time and then

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>removing them.

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh interesting, I guess that would really dry it out.

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I guess then you've got both sides

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>of the pillow or the cold side of the pillow,

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>so wind win.

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's all I've got on dust mites for now,

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 3>but we may come back to them later in the

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 3>series and.

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>They may re emerge for sure. Now, for the rest

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of this episode, I wanted to talk a little bit

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>more about atmospheric dust, which we've already touched on. We've

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>talked about the ways that the dust is floating around.

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>It's stirred up easily by just movement and through the

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere that we all live in, or of course by

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>by weather patterns and so forth. We've talked about how

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, an individual particle of dust is often invisible

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 2>to the naked eye, but in great volumes it's different.

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 2>And that great volume may be the great volume of

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>dust on your dining room table when after you come

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 2>back from traveling, or it could indeed be the great

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 2>volumes of dust seen in a dust devil or seen

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>in a dust storm. Because again, dust is everywhere suspended

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>in the air, It's steadily accumulating on surfaces, and we

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>often don't notice it until it builds up to a

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 2>certain threshold.

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 3>This is why it never seems like you need to

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 3>dust until it's already too dusty.

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and at that point you realize you live

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>in foul and you've got to fix things now. Atmospheric

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 2>dust is important because, of course it impacts both human

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 2>health and climate, though of course these two topics overlap. Dust,

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 2>according to the NAA, is the single largest component of

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the aerosols in Earth's atmosphere. It likely has a huge

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>impact on Earth's climate and affects everything from oceanic temperatures

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>to snow melt rates. There also seems to be a

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 2>connection between dust and hurricanes, with data points to an

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 2>inverse relationship between dust in the North Atlantic tropics and

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 2>various Atlantic hurricanes. I was looking at a few different

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 2>sources on all of this. One in particular, there's a

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 2>NAA article from twenty sixteen titled the Dirt on Atmospheric Dust,

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and that twenty sixteen stat is key because a little

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>later I'm going to touch on some research that raises

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the question about like where we are in terms of

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 2>our modeling of atmospheric dust and so forth. But based

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>on this source, it says that we're looking at somewhere

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>between two hundred and five thousand terograms of dust entering

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere each year, with one teogram equaling one trillion grams.

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 3>My kitchen scale does not go up to a terogram.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>There's also an estimated twenty terograms of dust suspended in

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere at any given time, with seasonal variations. Now,

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the amount of time that an individual dust particle remains

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>in the air that depends on particle size. Apparently, larger

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 2>particles may remain suspended for no more than like twenty

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 2>four hours, but much smaller particles, they can say, aloft

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 2>much longer than the period of time that the NAA

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>mentions in this article is twenty days or even more.

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Now another figure I ran across. This is from Robert

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Monroe's Increased atmospheric dust has masked power of greenhouse gases

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to warm planet from January twenty twenty three. This was

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>published on the website of the Script's Institution of Ocean Oceanography,

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 2>and it puts it like this quote, twenty six million

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>tons of such particles globally equivalent to the weight of

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>about five million African elephants floating in the sky.

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 3>I came across some numbers within the same range offered

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 3>in the introduction to Jay Owen's book. So in the

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Dust Book, she includes estimates that somewhere between and this

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 3>is a big range, but no matter what, this is

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 3>a huge number. Somewhere between eight and thirty six million

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 3>metric tons of mineral dust are floating in the atmosphere

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 3>at any given time, And I was trying to come

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 3>up with a comparison for that number. Looking for figures

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 3>in that range. One I found was kind of interesting,

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>not that it's all that easy to picture this, but

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 3>just as a conceptual comparison, I found a paper published

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 3>in PNAS from twenty twenty three by Greenspoon. It all

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 3>called the Global Biomass of Wild Animals, And so the

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 3>authors of this paper were just estimating for certain categories

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 3>of animals and organisms on Earth how much total biomass

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:34.479
<v Speaker 3>is there if you were to weigh them all at

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 3>the same time. And the authors, based on their methodology,

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 3>estimated that if you were to put together all of

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 3>the wild land mammals on Earth, so all the mammals

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 3>that are not domesticated live out in the wild on land,

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 3>there would be about twenty two million metric tons worth,

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of those animals are going to be

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 3>things like deer, wild pigs, elephants, and so forth. There

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 3>would be about twenty two million metric tons worth. And

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 3>by the way, that number is quite small compared to

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the total biomass of humans. There would be three hundred

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 3>and ninety million metric tons of humans and six hundred

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 3>and thirty million worth of domestic and city dwelling animals.

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>But all of the wild land animals are about twenty

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 3>two million metric tons, which is sort of in the

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>middle of Owens's eight to thirty six million metric tons

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 3>of dust range. So that's a lot of dust in

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.719
<v Speaker 3>the air. It's kind of hard to imagine.

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And again part of it is because it

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>is just mostly invisible to us, and even when it's visible,

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to think in terms of, oh, that dust devil,

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that dust cloud, even if you're looking at satellite Maybe

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>when you're looking at satellite imagery you can sort of

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>think in terms of millions and millions of elephants. Now,

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the next question you may ask in a number if

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you already know the answer to this, I'm sure, is

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>where does the dust come from? On the whole, it

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>comes from the deserts. So according to again the NOAA

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>and twenty sixteen, more than half of the world's atmospheric

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>dust originates in North Africa. This is the Saharan connection

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that you've probably heard of, with the greater Saharan desert

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>dust transport across the Atlantic having been linked to things

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>like El Nino and other weather phenomena. So that's like

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>half the dust more or less based on these measurements

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and estimations and models. The rest is thought to originate

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 2>from other major desert regions around the world that share

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the right characteristics.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, what are those characteristics?

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>All right? So these are areas that sit in low

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>elevation basins near or surrounded by mountains, and the mountains

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>are key because these feed rivers, which deposit vast amounts

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>of sediment into low lying regions. So that makes these

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 2>regions dust collecting and distribution engines for the atmosphere. Okay,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>now we should also point out that there are other

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>major dust engines, certainly if you have wildfires we mentioned

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>so earlier, but also volcanoes. Right when a volcano erupts,

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this on the show before you know,

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>injects injects of vast amounts of volcanic dust into the atmosphere,

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and these injections are often large enough to impact human

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>health and human activity to varying degrees, and these are

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>often visible from space.

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 3>So we've seen how the creation of atmospheric dust in

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 3>some way depends on the complex interactions of other cycles

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 3>and processes on the surface of the Earth, like the

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 3>interaction of the water cycle and of water coming down

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>from mountains and mixing correctly with the with the desert environments,

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 3>and then of course that being affected by wind which

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 3>raises dust up into the air. So but it also

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 3>works on the other end too, right, like dust in

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 3>turn affects complicated processes all around the globe.

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>That's right again. You think of like the various you know,

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>convection and system of movement of air throughout our atmosphere,

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>and just imagine dust getting caught up in all all

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>of that, you know. So, yeah, atmospheric dust has a

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 2>few properties worth stressing in relation to climate and weather. Here.

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>On one hand, there's the role played by dust particles

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 2>in the formulation of water droplets. So these form when

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>water vapor shifts to liquid form around a condensation nucleus

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>such as a particle of dust, and then these particles

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 2>of dust with water condensing around it, these coalesce into clouds.

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 2>And then all of these particles with water around these

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>water droplets, they fallows rain, and this whole cycle continues.

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>And if you've ever absorbed any material about how rain

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>drops work and so forth, you've probably heard about this.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 3>So to some extent, dust quite literally makes it rain.

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then there's the fact that atmospheric dust can

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>have both a apparently both a cooling and warming effect

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>on the planet, and temperature of course plays a vital

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>role in climate and weather as well. But the exact

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>net effect of dust warming or cooling this seems to

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>remain a complex topic of discussion. But one of the

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>people that has been studying this as looking at stuff

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>that this person has said and written and also articles

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>about their work. This is Jasper Cock, a UCLA Assistant

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic sciences, and according to Cock,

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 2>here dust can have either a net cooling or net

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 2>heating effect on the atmosphere, depending on the size of

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the particles. Ah okay, so in the cooling scenario in

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>recent studies may point it seems and coxingstandicate this as

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>well to a slight overall cooling effect. You have dust

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>particles reflecting sunlight back into space and also dissipating high

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 2>clouds that warm the planet. Now on the warming side

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of the whole scenario, dust landing on the surface of

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 2>the planet again, it can coat your car, it can

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 2>coat your dinner table, and so forth. But it also

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>can coat snow and ice with dark particles that increases

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the absorption of heat.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Ah Okay, that's right. So if it was just pure

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 3>snow or ice, it would reflect more of the Sun's

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>energy back out into space. But if you cover it

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 3>with something darker in color, it will just warm it up, right.

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>And Cok has also pointed out that dust can also

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>cool the planet by depositing key nutrients like iron and

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 2>phosphorus into the ocean to support the growth of CO

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 2>two absorbing phytoplank Then, so you know, there are all

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>these different ways that dust interacts with climate, and it

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 2>seems like they're warming properties that can go on, they're

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>cooling properties, and it may be that it's a little

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>more in the cooling category at least right now.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But if I understand you right, you're saying that that's

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.959
<v Speaker 3>there's enough uncertainty there that that's sort of a low

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>confidence conclusion.

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>There's the more that I look at it, the more

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that it seems like we're still learning a lot more

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>about how dust were in the atmosphere and exactly like

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 2>what our data sets are and what the modeling looks like.

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>But coxmin point here, and this is reflected in the

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Monroe article. I referenced earlier, is that this is not

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 2>an argument for Okay, this is what we need to

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>do to combat climate change or reverse it or the

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 2>reverse of this. You know, It's not some sort of

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 2>like weird biohacking geo hacking scheme or whatever. But rather

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>it's about identifying because we we've probably discussed some of

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 2>these before and you run across these where it's like,

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 2>all right, what we need to do. We need to

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>pump x number of particles how many tons of particles

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>into the atmosphere to carry out some sort of cooling

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 2>effect to counteract global warming.

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 3>That is not being advocated here right.

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Rather, the point here is that we need to identify

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>to what degree atmospheric dust levels may impact and even

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>mask the effects of global warming. And its key since

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>microscopic airborne particles created by burning fossil fuel or of

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 2>course a huge aspect of human caused climate change, but

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 2>those very particles could also temporarily be contributing to cooling.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>So we need to be aware of all this so

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>that first of all, we know the degree to which

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 2>you know to which climate change is occurring and isn't

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>masked by the effects of the dust in the atmosphere,

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>and then also we need to be aware of this.

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>If we do hopefully ratchet down on our fossil fuel consumption,

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you know we're likely going to see some sort of

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 2>dip in the cooling effect. There that there were the

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>specific cooling effect caused by the dust particles that are

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 2>created via the burning of fossil fuels. Now, satellites can

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 2>detect dust in the atmosphere, but I was reading about

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>how this doesn't mean it's necessarily always easy to detect.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>It can apparently be quite challenging, but the results can

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>also be very impressive, very informative. Apparently there's still a

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>lot of discussion over how how much dust there is

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and how it impacts everything. I was looking at a

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four article in The Washington Post by Aaron Blakemore.

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>This is not a pair of recent studies that challenge

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the North African dust emission dominance view that we referenced earlier,

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>and instead argue that dust emissions may vary by season

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and across hemispheres, and that the total worldwide dust emission

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>level might actually be much lower than previously thought. So

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that would mean our older models may be in need

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of some update, and I believe the issues we've just

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>discussed your concerning climate and fossil fuel usage. I mean,

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>these are still extremely valid. But this is another example

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.240
<v Speaker 2>of how we need more research. We need better data sets,

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>better tracking. All this is probably needed to get a

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>handle on the exact impact and variance of Earth's atmospheric dust.

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 3>So, despite common symbolic themes, on a global scale, dust

0:38:55.360 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 3>is the opposite of insignificant. It has large scale ramifications

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 3>and we need to understand them better. In how dust

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 3>affects climate, weather, water, all of that.

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, human health, and then you know, to get into

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the dust mites as well, allergens and so forth. Yeah,

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>so it's like dust at the beginning, dust at the end,

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and then just dust all in between as well, you know,

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>making it rain, making it hot or cold, making us sick,

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>making us feel like our house is a bit foul

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and needs to be cleaned up, all of these things.

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, maybe we should call part one there,

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.800
<v Speaker 3>but we will be back with more to say about

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 3>dust next time.

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>That's right, there's a lot to discuss regarding dust. We

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't get into cosmic dust at all. I'm sure we'll

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>get into that We already have some topics lined up involving,

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, philosophical and mythological treatments of dust, so expect

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>more of that as well. In the meantime, I'll remind

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 2>everyone that Stuffed Blow Your Mind is primarily a science

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 2>and culture podcast, with core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.840
<v Speaker 2>On my days, we do listener mail. On Wednesdays, we

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>do a short form episode on Fridays. We set aside

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 2>most serious concerns to just talk about a weird movie

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 2>on Weird House Cinema. And indeed, more than one movie

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>we've watched quite a few movies have involved evil creatures

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>turning to dust. I think we just watched one a

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago where this happened at the end.

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Which one was this was this Wolf Woman where the

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 2>villain turns to dust and then a wind suddenly blows

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>all the dust away.

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Wolf Devil Woman. Yeah, the evil demon at the

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>end turns into soot.

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there's plenty of dust on Weird House as well.

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And then it doesn't tell you if the main character

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:43.880
<v Speaker 3>lives or not. She just like is getting kind of woozy,

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 3>and then the cuts to the end the end.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, that's the Stuff to Blow Your Mind

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 2>podcast feet and hey, just remind everyone out there if

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 2>you like what we're doing here. One thing you can

0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>do to help us out is rate and review us

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 2>wherever you get the you have the power to do so.

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Give us a nice array of stars, a little sprinkling

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>at dust there if you will, it helps us out.

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And if you know, if you have any thoughts on

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>this topic about past topics, future topic possibilities, ride in

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and let us know. We would love to hear from you,

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and email is the best way to get in touch

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 2>with us directly.

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 3>If you would like to get in touch with us

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>with feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 3>a topic for the future, or just to say hello,

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 3>you can email us at contact at Stuff to Blow

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 3>your Mind dot com.

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow Your Mind is production of iHeartRadio. For

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 1>more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

0:41:46.400 --> 0:42:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.