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Speaker 1: My next guest is one of the most popular Christian

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Speaker 1: hip hop artists in the rap industry. He has won

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Speaker 1: five Grammy Awards, including one win for Best Gospel Album

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Speaker 1: which is Awesome, fifteen Double warves, and one Billboard Music Award.

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Speaker 1: Here's a philanthropist and I called him a social entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that in the minute. Is one of

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Speaker 1: the best in the rap game. Please welcome to money

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Speaker 1: making conversation. The Craiz. What's going on? What's going on? Okay?

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Speaker 1: First of all, the Craig Houston, Texas. That's where you're born,

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Speaker 1: young man. Okay, cool, That's where I'm from. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm from War, Texas. Brother just was gonna lockdowns of

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Speaker 1: information about each other. Get our gps together here, Okay, Now,

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Speaker 1: I was sir, yes, sir, right there, collins Worth right

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Speaker 1: out fifty nine brother right there, Russell and Bain Street.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was born. Right there. Now, he is

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Speaker 1: my folks from Live Oak off in third ward. There

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Speaker 1: you go, there you go. Come on, now, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get We're gonna get so, we're gonna be in so tune.

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Speaker 1: You and I we're gonna be friends from life after

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Speaker 1: this interview. Now here's the beauty of our relationship. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was at the Super Super Bowl Gospel celebration taping

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Speaker 1: and I was sitting on the front row. Uh, because

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Speaker 1: when you're big, that's where they put you on the

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Speaker 1: front row and just set you on the front room.

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Speaker 1: And so and so this young man came out, you know,

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Speaker 1: uh because I believe demands were hosted. David talond Man

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Speaker 1: was hosting that year, and they introduced this young man

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Speaker 1: called look Crazy. I didn't even know his name. All

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Speaker 1: I knew is he came out and he was rapping,

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Speaker 1: and I was turning next to the person. I was saying,

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Speaker 1: who is that dude? Because first of all, he looked

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Speaker 1: good and he see here's the thing about his gifts,

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Speaker 1: because see, gospel is rooted in you know traditional look,

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Speaker 1: you know singing, you know, you know you you road

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Speaker 1: gotta have that choir, gotta how to conductor. Here he

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Speaker 1: was out there on that stage by himself, rapping and

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Speaker 1: he I remember, I remember something he did. He told

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Speaker 1: her about to raise their hands and everybody and this

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Speaker 1: this this performance at Lakewood as Joel Osteen's Church. Now

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Speaker 1: that's that's a former home or the Houston Rockets. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about people up in that join and all

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Speaker 1: of them raised their hands. I look around, who is

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Speaker 1: this dude? And then but better than that, his what

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Speaker 1: he was saying said something to me. His beat says

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Speaker 1: something to me. And I became a fan of your

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Speaker 1: talents from that day. And you didn't even know that,

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Speaker 1: young man, You didn't even know that you affected a

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Speaker 1: person like me ra Sean McDonald based on your skill set.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you from Houston at the time. All

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Speaker 1: I know is that when you still on that stage

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Speaker 1: and then you walked off that stage and walked down

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Speaker 1: those aisles, you walk right down my aisle. I went,

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Speaker 1: I wonder who managing him? Because brother, you got it, man,

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Speaker 1: tell us about that journey a little, just just just

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Speaker 1: at a bit about that journey. Because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that when I was watching California Dreams Dreaming, it said

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Speaker 1: that it seemed to say that you grew up in California,

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Speaker 1: but then by bio, your bio says that you were

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Speaker 1: born in Houston, Texas. Can you help me out there, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So my uh, you know, I got a military family,

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Speaker 1: so of course we spend a lot of time in

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Speaker 1: different places I was. I was my family originates in Houston, Texas,

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Speaker 1: so that's where most of them live. That's where, you know,

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Speaker 1: my mother's firm, That's where I was. I started out at,

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Speaker 1: but were moved around, so I spent the time in

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Speaker 1: Denver and in Dallas. Right So, but but Houston has

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Speaker 1: always been, you know, kind of the origin. The rum

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Speaker 1: ain't nothing wrong and there's nothing wrong with having Houston

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Speaker 1: is your origin, my friend? Yeah, where was where was

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Speaker 1: established that Reach Records, your record company. Reach Records is

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Speaker 1: actually established um right outside of Dallas and ben Texas.

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Speaker 1: And uh, basically what had happened was a friend of

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Speaker 1: mine and I, you know, we were at the University

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Speaker 1: I had a spiritual transformation and just kind of realized, man,

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Speaker 1: I may need to use my gifts for you know,

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Speaker 1: So just touring the state of Texas and and and

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Speaker 1: and so you know, year after year, Uh, things just grew.

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Speaker 1: You know, we started off independently. I remember taking my

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Speaker 1: don't know what consignment is that when you convinced the

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Speaker 1: years until things just kind of group beyond having to

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Speaker 1: do it that way. Well, you know, look crazy, It's

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Speaker 1: really a blessing to have this conversation with you because

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Speaker 1: the fact that you affected me and it's such a

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Speaker 1: positive way. And that's what I really love about gospel

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Speaker 1: music and in your case, hip hop music and rap

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Speaker 1: because of the fact that I'm of old school. You know,

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Speaker 1: I tupas my man Okay, you know, I grew up

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Speaker 1: with at the comedy club in Houston, hip hop comedy

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Speaker 1: stop Back, and so my whole, my whole flavor is

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Speaker 1: tied to what you're doing. Even though I'm an R

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Speaker 1: and B guy, you know, I'm I'm an old Jay's guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, Marvin Gay, I'm all that. And so when

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Speaker 1: I so when I see you, I see I see

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Speaker 1: a very gifted young man that that really is kind

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Speaker 1: of like touching a person that that's in my age group,

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Speaker 1: but also younger people too. Tell me to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about the responsibility of what you're delivering with your music. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I um, you know, I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: helps me to connect to people, you know, outside of

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Speaker 1: looking for you know, different uh models, because I didn't

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Speaker 1: to understand that, you know, that they were created for

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Speaker 1: a bigger purpose than what they may know. Well, you

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Speaker 1: well as hiss a YouTube breach since his Reach Records

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Speaker 1: which is really important. And then his brand Lacrai has

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Speaker 1: one point six million followers. Prior to my introducing him,

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Speaker 1: allows him to shout out his brand, promote his talents

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Speaker 1: that could not happen ten years ago, could not happen

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. Corporation has only had that ability to

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Speaker 1: were smart enough to control their brand and massive, massively

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Speaker 1: and they should do that, especially the gospel arena. We

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Speaker 1: will come back. I'm gonna have more to talk to

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Speaker 1: him about. I'm just a fan of Lokraize Man Rashawn

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Speaker 1: mcdom Money Making Conversation. We'll be back with more. Hi.

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Speaker 1: This Rashan McDonald and you're listening to Money Making Conversation

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Speaker 1: my guests on the phone. L Craiz born in Houston,

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Speaker 1: texas As. He said, uh, military child for a little

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Speaker 1: time in California a little time, and Dallas a little time.

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Speaker 1: And Colorado. One of my favorite stags is Colorado. Um,

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Speaker 1: he said. He said that Reach Records just a little

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Speaker 1: know what that guy from in bio. We got into

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Speaker 1: this because we love hip hop and we love Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Long before awards, plaques, chart positions in radio play, a

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Speaker 1: few guys from Texas started using music to express their

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Speaker 1: new found faith. That's that's power. And how how old

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Speaker 1: my faith transition app but I was eighteen and then

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Speaker 1: twenty two, when I was about two years old is

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Speaker 1: when things started taking off. Yeah, it's really amazing when

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Speaker 1: you become a brand, because you are a brand, and

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Speaker 1: I know you're recognized in that industry. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of people started coming to you two your opinions and

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Speaker 1: stuff like fristance. Uh. I read an article where you

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Speaker 1: had expressed an opinion of your thoughts that was all

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Speaker 1: positive about the Kanye West album being dropped out Jesus

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Speaker 1: Is King, and then you had can you state your

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Speaker 1: and but I just won't let everybody know that. You

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Speaker 1: when people come to you wanting quotes or statement or

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Speaker 1: writing an article. That's a lot of responsibility. Yeah, absolutely

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Speaker 1: that the bigger picture that I wanted people to know

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Speaker 1: as far as Kanye's albums concern was because we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about his political stances, we're not talking about some

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Speaker 1: And as far as the Altbom's concerned, I thought that

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Speaker 1: And I think that gives a lot more freedom. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't recognize to realize that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a place in a space for what

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Speaker 1: To me, there's a space for it, and that's what

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