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Speaker 2: Oh it's time to be Oh yeah, you feel it,

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Speaker 2: you hear it. It's on you. Hey, it's morning combat,

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Speaker 2: back at it, fired up, ready to be here. Friday,

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Speaker 2: May second, two thousand and twenty five, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know the best damn combat sports talk show they really

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Speaker 2: ever considered putting together the BBC with that b d e.

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell one half of your hosting duo Today, tomorrow forever, right,

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Speaker 2: that's Luke Thomas of Washington, d C. Fame Luke. Today

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Speaker 2: is the ten year anniversary of what super fight?

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Speaker 1: So today is May second.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you might call it the biggest fight of all time.

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Speaker 3: You might, oh give me a hint boxing?

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Speaker 1: Would it be Canelo Mayweather?

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Speaker 2: No, that was twenty thirteen, that was when we met.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That's twelve, oh, Pakia.

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Speaker 1: Ten years. Since ten years, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've we've only gotten older. Welcome into today's show.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great one for you. We're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna be goofballs, but we're going to get you all

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Speaker 2: fired up and ready for UFC. Is it des moines? Uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm just a calling it Iowa UFC Iowa this week,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Turkey's takeover of Times Square will be a

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Speaker 2: pay per view, and we'll look at the latest news.

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Speaker 2: Look back at the PFL card last night from Universal

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Speaker 2: Studios in Orlando. No fan subs or dead wrongs today.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they weren't good enough. There wasn't enough of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we have some, but we just didn't have.

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Speaker 3: You know, we want to make sure that when we

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Speaker 2: Like, somebody's gonna have to clean that up. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: pretty disgusting. So Morning Combat at gmail dot com would

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Speaker 2: be your way to get into the show. We'll run

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Speaker 2: the ones that we haven't run yet when you sent

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Speaker 2: some good ones to pair with them. Thank you. That

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Speaker 2: goes down on Friday's show. A programming reminder, of course,

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Speaker 2: we're here tonight right now today in studio here in Manhattan,

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Speaker 2: the medow Arks Studio. Will be home Monday. We'll do

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Speaker 2: an episode at eleven am Eastern. But next Wednesday, Next Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: right here at this table, May fifth, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: UFC three fifteen pregame preview BC L Let's go Iceman,

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Speaker 2: Chuck Mindenhall and lots of quervo to be had. You

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Speaker 2: gonna you're wanta man up? I had.

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Speaker 3: I had quervo last night. Blanco, No, what was the

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Speaker 3: real nice one one? Cristellino Crystallino, that's the one I had.

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Speaker 1: It was really good. It was really good.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I did it. Get my wife.

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Speaker 1: My wife made fun of me.

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Speaker 3: She goes, your breath smells like margarita and marijuana, and

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Speaker 3: I said, I said, sweetheart, that's a that's my favorite combination.

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Speaker 2: Fucking just be honest with you. Yeah, indeed, indeed, right there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a bunch.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Long Island Luke was making fun of me. Yeah, He's like,

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Speaker 3: did you have three of them? I was like, fuck you,

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Speaker 3: Long Island Luke. I only had one.

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Speaker 2: So how drunk were you off of?

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Speaker 1: No? Just nothing, I mean, I just just enough to

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Speaker 2: This man once said it would take fifty two beers

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Speaker 2: But I had I should tell that public story. All right,

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Speaker 2: we'll let that one go. Hey, the third member of

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Speaker 2: us directly due to a gentleman's down Under from down Under.

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Speaker 2: It is Luke Nosita of the main card minute.

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Speaker 4: What up gang?

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Speaker 5: Coming down Under from man's down Unders sounds a little

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Speaker 4: I'll take it, all right?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Does you is your dad aware of the show? By

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Speaker 2: any chance you're Australian born, My dad.

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Speaker 4: Is very aware of this show. Is he aware of

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Speaker 4: the ball Sack joke? That is another question?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Because you couldn't pick us out of a police

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Long Island.

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Speaker 3: People on my sub stack were asking me if the

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Speaker 3: way in which we talk about the subject constitutes workplace harassment.

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Speaker 4: I say yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, considering the other side of that hit him being

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Speaker 2: a bad boyfriend. He's live streaming tonight too.

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Speaker 5: You are, that's right, baby, I'm doing the boxing tonight,

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Speaker 5: you see tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: End of the year, I'm definitely doing UFC tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about doing the box tonight, but I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, because you got back from a commentary gig this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I wasn't supposed to do that gig. You

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Speaker 3: Let me just say this, because I know you've done

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Speaker 3: any number of reasons. Let me just say this. Any

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Speaker 2: The ultimate challenge in broadcasting, in my opinion, it.

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Speaker 3: Is so you don't realize every time you have to

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Speaker 3: to the announcer, They have to throw it back to you.

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Speaker 2: I love I love it.

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Speaker 1: Put me back in the color chairs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Chasta XSC for the opportunity was I in the end?

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Speaker 2: But it's tough, dude. That's a tough job, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: But the clips that I saw you sounded great. You

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Speaker 3: Young Guns seven was the one, and then we recorded

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Speaker 3: Young Guns eight. I'm not sure when that will air,

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Speaker 2: by the Young Guns two soundtrack as John bon Jovi's

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Speaker 2: like musical Mountaintop Ooh well, Lazy of Glory, come on.

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Speaker 3: I would agree with you, but I feel like, what's

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Speaker 3: the what's the song that all the white girls love?

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Speaker 1: Oh We're halfway there? Yeah, that one.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, I feel like that song by bon

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you as a compendah in terms

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Speaker 2: you know, it's life.

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Speaker 1: Deserves to be I mean, burn the masters, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, burn the boats too, Goggins. There we go

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Speaker 2: a lot of rambling bullshit. But you can follow this

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Speaker 2: I mean the meaty part with our social channels, our

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Speaker 2: Reach out and touch one of us, huch Sally, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I I I don't know. Yeah, we're fired up to

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Speaker 2: I love it, Luke, because the trains aren't as busy.

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Speaker 2: This office is dead. You know.

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Speaker 3: There was one person in here when I came in. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean when the deer was sleeping and scratching his balls.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what do you think do you think Ken when

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Speaker 2: Because that question a beaker collection, because like Ken could

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Speaker 1: Now? I believe thirty two thirty three. Let's double check that,

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Speaker 3: If you can't look on Luke, we're not completely in

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Speaker 2: It was historically deep about two years ago. Let's be

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Speaker 1: You know it's been deep for well, it's still deep.

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Speaker 3: So the point I'm trying to make is the one

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Speaker 3: also feels like we've seen the stumbles. If it's gonna

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Speaker 2: It's his time. It's his time to shake off the

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Speaker 5: In up here, I got a minus five fifty Santagan

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's way wider than I would have expected.

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Speaker 1: Do you think those odds are nuts?

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Speaker 5: There are little nuts. I got Corey back when he

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Speaker 2: Two things, Corey is the better fighter of the moment,

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Speaker 2: that that's jumping out. What are we missing here? Outside

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, losing to Yan is not disreputable,

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Speaker 3: but if we're asking, like what does it mean for

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Speaker 3: I you know, there are certain elements of Figaredo's game

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Speaker 2: Well, we all agree. I'm gonna speak for all of

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Speaker 2: We've always felt that sometimes it's luck, sometimes it's timing.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna have to be based on the way we're

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Speaker 7: Do for him, and like I said, man, I'm better

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could argue that he could be fighting

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Speaker 3: But if he had blasted out Umar, it's a very

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Speaker 2: Is it as simple as win and get a title

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Speaker 3: For well, that's a little bit more complicated because of

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Speaker 3: Win here, Yes, the answer is he definitely will get

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Speaker 2: Well, Yah need another win or can he just say.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing that people like, why didn't Yon

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that fans can't appreciate people who

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Speaker 1: It's hard to do that.

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Speaker 3: I think it there's a good chance he could.

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Speaker 2: The thing I have to ask yourself is Yon.

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Speaker 3: I guess I said before it was like Yon was

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Speaker 1: Already seen Marob versus Yon. Morob just ran over him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear from Corey one more time talking about

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Speaker 8: Go into this next push, a fight like this, maybe

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean in the past, I'm just losing by inches,

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Speaker 7: You know. I'm sick of being the guy that's really

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Speaker 7: I don't know what Yan's doing for his fights, but

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Speaker 2: But I got to go.

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Speaker 7: Out there and make this luck happen by just going

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no net this time. The back is

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Speaker 2: Sanhagan has lacked that consistently, but it's sort of you

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Speaker 3: Figure can crack, He can crack. But Sanhagan has historically

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Speaker 3: Yon just began to basically style over the course of time.

436
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 3: I think that's a similar kind of fight. Similar, I mean,

437
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 3: there's gonna be meaningful differences, but similar kind of fight.

438
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 3: For what san Haagen's going to want to look for here?

439
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, is it a problem that at bandon weight

440
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 2: Figuredo's more of a single punch, out of time counterpuncher.

441
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 2: He's shown good power at this weight division. Yes, his

442
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 2: power has been sometimes his saving Grayson close fights, but

443
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he throws in enough. So are you

444
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 2: setting up in your mind that if sand Haagen has

445
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: the same takedown defense success that Yan had, we could

446
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: be looking at a repeat here.

447
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

448
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean, look at Figuredo's numbers. He lands two point

449
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: nine to one strikes per minute. That's a little below average,

450
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 3: but he absorbs three point five to five. So he

451
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: gets hit a lot. Now, a lot of that comes

452
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 3: from the moreno fights and whatnot, but you know, in

453
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: general he's hittable. I think is the way I would

454
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: put that. Contrast that with Sagin five point zero two

455
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 3: strikes landed per minute, it's very high.

456
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go sand Hagan, excuse me.

457
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 3: And then he absorbs three point four to six, which

458
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: is also high, but at least has a positive differential.

459
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 3: But the point I'm trying to make his volume, he'll

460
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 3: he'll rain on you if you let him do it.

461
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Speaker 3: And I just don't feel like Figuredo has a defensive

462
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 3: umbrella to go with the metaphor if I may so, Yeah,

463
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: that's got I think these are the fault lines that

464
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: you're kind of looking for here.

465
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question about that. In terms of a

466
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: betting angle Long Island Luca, these two you'd probably guess

467
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 2: they would go the distance. But is their value here

468
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: on the under?

469
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of value on this fight. I

470
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 5: gotta be real, like, I'm going Sandagan again. I got

471
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 5: him at minus four hundred. He's even heftier. Now you're right,

472
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 5: it probably goes a distance. Even Sandagan by decision is

473
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 5: minus money.

474
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: So is this the fight though? That Sanagan not only

475
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 2: makes a statement but makes a large one with a finish.

476
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 2: I'd like to see the threat more of high kicks

477
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: from him, but also he could submit in this in

478
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: this pairing Sanhagen. Yeah, taking that back too. I know

479
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: it's a threat on the ranges.

480
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: I think that's less likely. But he does have a

481
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: big height advantage. This is five to five versus five eleven,

482
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: so it's always harder to jab up. And then he

483
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: has a two inch reach advantage, So there are some

484
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: physical to the extent that Sanagan can manage range, that's

485
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 3: going to be a big problem for Figaredo, something to

486
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: pay attention to. Also, if I may just say one thing,

487
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: when you watch Sandagan's early UFC fights, he did get

488
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: himself into a few problems by being too confident. But

489
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: there's a certain kind of swag that he had that

490
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: has been replaced with a little bit more cold, calculated,

491
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: functional game.

492
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: And you get that.

493
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you get injured in a fight or

494
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: it's just you got to win in advance. What I

495
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: would say is when he's flowing and he's in that state,

496
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: it's just a much more dynamic game. If he can

497
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 3: find a way to avoid those mistakes but get to

498
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 3: that flow state, he will be tough to beat.

499
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, big moment here, big close up for Corey san Haagan.

500
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that he gets it done and do

501
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: you think he gets it done over the distance?

502
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: I think he gets it done over the distance.

503
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be surprised if he scores a stoppage, but

504
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: you know, one never knows. But yeah, I give me

505
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 3: san Hagan by decision.

506
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm sort of in the middle. I think

507
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: those odds are strikingly large. I do think he's going

508
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: to win, So give me about half of those odds

509
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: and a more comfortable I think.

510
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

511
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: I mean if it was like a minus three high twos,

512
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. High fives is surprising.

513
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 2: I mean this to close the shop on talking about Figuredo,

514
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: there's as much pressure on him in terms of staying

515
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: relevant in the top seven here with a win. I mean,

516
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: how far does he fall with the second consecutive los?

517
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, figure Outa's sitting at five, San j haagens sitting

518
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: at four. I don't know how much further he would

519
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: fall because you've got song Gadong Vera and Rob Faught.

520
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: He's beaten two of those guys already, so it's a

521
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: little hard to say. But certainly, what is figure out

522
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: of like thirty seven years old. You know, you lose

523
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: to san Haegen, you lose to Yawn. It kind of

524
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: tells us that, like you you, we now know what

525
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: you are at bantamweight.

526
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: Warning track power.

527
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, He's got big power, but he's obviously got

528
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: great jiu jitsu, but he's maximized what is possible basically.

529
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: So again, both guys kind of in a position here

530
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: where it's like, all right, what do we got, Fellas, Like,

531
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: who's going to show us something here?

532
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: Big stakes for combat fans that want to juggle this weekend,

533
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: and we're going to get into it shortly of the

534
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: Times Square triple header that's going on, which I think

535
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: is a six pm Eastern just pay per view star

536
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: You know what time this UFC Fight Night card starts

537
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: and will we be clashing? I can tell you in

538
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: just see One Man, Okay, So we're going much later there,

539
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: so there won't be that same competition by the time

540
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: San Jagan figured out, which I as a fan, I'm

541
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: happy with Luke because this is a very good man

542
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: event to see.

543
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: It is a very good main event. What time is

544
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: the Canelo fight?

545
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: I believe that card starts at eight pm Eastern, the

546
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: four fight pay per view main card from Riod. Yes,

547
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: they're starting it at eight pm Eastern because they wanted

548
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: to guarantee for the Mexican and Mexican American fan base

549
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: that won't get to see him in person live, but

550
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: at least they'll get to see it.

551
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: Or you could just put fight where the Mexican fans are.

552
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: You can do that.

553
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: We were doing that in the six thousand Seed Arena

554
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: and Riod. Did you see the Grand Arrival that there's

555
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: like eight people there.

556
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: I mean it's any any there's a bunch of Mexican

557
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: media because I follow some and they clearly all got

558
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: flown in because all the questions are like.

559
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: How much is your watch? And you know, how excited

560
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: a year to be in Saudi Arabia.

561
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: Still a fun weekend of combat ahead of us, and

562
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: that includes PFL last night, which we'll get you. I

563
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: enjoyed that card, so that was pretty good.

564
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, there we go.

565
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: Let's go to the cole main event though of Saturday's

566
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: UFC IOWA Fight Night card. Really good ground match up here,

567
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: the grappling of Bo Nickel. There's great submission in jiu

568
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: jitsu skills of Renier de Ritter, a middleweight clash with

569
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: two guys that are really looking to make a big statement,

570
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: but in different ways. For ourdr, he's looking for a

571
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: third straight win since debuting in the UFC. Just what

572
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: in November. He's fought twice already, two big submission victories,

573
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: and you've got a Bonnicchol who certainly has the glossy record.

574
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: But man, has it been a little bit of a

575
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: reality TV journey if you're following the court of public

576
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: opinion about exactly where Bonnicol is at. Two fights ago,

577
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: he gainst the big Showcase opportunity fight against Cody Brundage,

578
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: people thought he got hit more than he should and

579
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: then last fight out against Paul greg Luke, we saw

580
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: Bonnickel not even shoot to the ground once win a

581
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: striking decision, but kind of took a chance in how

582
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: close and weird the fight was to practice out his

583
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: skills at that level. Is the backlash against bon Nickel

584
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: that has a lot of people questioning if he really

585
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: is that phenom we thought he was coming out of

586
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: having to win twice in the Dana White Contender series

587
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: and then watching him mop up and submit and take

588
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: down a bunch of guys in a row. Where do

589
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: you think the stocks at right now for bo in

590
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: real life? And do you think people have been too

591
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: harsh in terms of critiquing him as he enters a

592
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: very tough matchup here. I, oh man, it's such a

593
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: it's such a difficult question for me to answer.

594
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't share the fans hatred of him. I don't

595
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: necessarily have as.

596
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: Much hatred strong, but there's a side. It's a side

597
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: turned aggressive Long Island.

598
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: Would you call that? There is palpable hatred for bow

599
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: Nickel from the fan base.

600
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: Again, hatred is a strong word.

601
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: Dislike, sure, but fear that he's not the real fear

602
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: that we've been because we've had a weight around. It's

603
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: not like he's fighting every three months. I mean.

604
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: So there's basically a couple of problems that have really

605
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: fucked him up. One is the inconsistency in terms of

606
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 3: how often he's out there. It's you know, when a

607
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: guy is hot, you got to get him out there.

608
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: And when he was doing that in the Contender series,

609
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: like where he was one and then back again and

610
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: he's blowing the doors off people, You're like, oh shit,

611
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: this is amazing. He's upping the ante every time and

612
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: he's staying visible. But that hasn't really happened. That's the

613
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: first problem. The second problem is the skill set development. Like, yes,

614
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: there were some elements of what some elements of what

615
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: he said after the Paul craigfight, which was, you know,

616
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: I didn't go for a take down and I lasted

617
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: three rounds on the feet, blah blah blah. That's good

618
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: experience for him, and it does show something. It just

619
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 3: didn't show nearly what he thought it meant. And then

620
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: to like think that that was an especially interesting accomplishment.

621
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: Do you think he sounded delusional or do you think

622
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: he sounded all very sober, like, Look, I got a

623
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: chance to work out all.

624
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Fighters are delusional.

625
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: Like when people are like, oh, he sounds delusional, I'm like, dude,

626
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: he fistfights in a cage for money. They're all delusional.

627
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: You can't do that job if you're not delusional. But

628
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: you can be delusional about certain things. There still has

629
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: to be some part of it that's grounded, And to me,

630
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 3: it's the over rating of things. It's not to go

631
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: on and like, listen, I'm happy to get the three rounds.

632
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 3: I'm happy that I didn't need my wrestling, but I

633
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: also understand that you know, hey, he was just throwing overhands.

634
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't like there was this other array of skills

635
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: that complimented it, and it was that it was ignoring

636
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: that plus the lack of frequency in terms of octagon appearances,

637
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: and then to your point, being very very delusional like

638
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: all fighters are, but being very delusional, that combination has

639
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: turned quite toxic for the fan base. They really really

640
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: really really don't like that. But this fight, to MEBC

641
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: is an interesting opportunity. Our dr is many things, but

642
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: a wallflower is not one of them.

643
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: No, Jacob Dellen and that guy not one headlight, No no, no,

644
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: not one or two or even three. Marlena is in

645
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: this case. All right?

646
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: You know, the point I'm trying to make is he's

647
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: going to bring the fight to you, and sometimes he'll

648
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: do it recklessly and sometimes he'll do it excitingly, and

649
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: it's everything in between. But he's not going to just

650
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: lay back and have a fight like Paul Craig had

651
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: with him, right, Like, do we expect Paul Craig two

652
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: point ohs or I should say, another version of the

653
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: Paul Craig fight.

654
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: I do not I do not expect that.

655
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: I think if it goes that way for a little while,

656
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: RDR is going to clinch up. So the point I'm

657
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: trying to make is you're asking about bo Nickel. I

658
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: actually feel like there's a lot of opportunity here, opportunity

659
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: being the word, to recapture maybe a little bit of

660
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: what is lost here. One fight is not going to

661
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: do it. You guys are wrong about this. I think

662
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: it's more than dislike. I think there's people like aggressively

663
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: angry at him, but I think you can kind of

664
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: tamp that down a little bit provided he turns in

665
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: something beseener.

666
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: So if you believe that it's anger, is it fueled

667
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: by distrust? Like we thought you were going to be

668
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 2: great and you're just not that.

669
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Yes, there's people who think he's a fraud. There's people

670
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: who think there's another thing we haven't discussed, which is

671
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: the UFC pushed Sean O'Malley really hard. Yes, and for

672
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: a while that actually worked for folks who don't remember

673
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley in the Contender series, and then that little

674
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: magical moment right after that in the UFC fans were

675
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: red hot about him, but it cooled off eventually for

676
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: a variety of reasons.

677
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Two years, suspension of drugs all that's one.

678
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: And the cheeto VERI the first one was weird and

679
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: the whole bit. But you notice that they began to

680
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: get resistant about what the industry was pushing. You hear

681
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: this term industry plant that's getstrated pushing right wing politics

682
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: at the moment. That's why I mean, it's just laundering fascism,

683
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: is what he's doing. But the point I'm trying to

684
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: make is, in the case of bo Nickel, he got

685
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: pushed in that similar kind of way and then it

686
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: fell short, and that turns up the toxicity to the

687
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: nth degree. So what I'm trying to say is he

688
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: doesn't even necessarily have to win BC. But if he

689
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: goes in there and it just gives it his all

690
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: in some kind of way.

691
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: He has to win over the fans. That's more importantly

692
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: than he has to win.

693
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: But I made this point yesterday in my life chat.

694
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: Does he think that he has to win over the fans?

695
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: That's because if he doesn't think that, he's not going

696
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: to fight that way at least I should say the

697
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: chance of him fight in that way is significantly reject.

698
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: Does he think he's better than he is and because

699
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: of that it's slowing his his well rounded growth. We're

700
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: going to get a great answer to that great point.

701
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I love the matchmaking to be very fair. It's fair,

702
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: it's a great matchup. They really did a good job

703
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: with that. So Bonnickel seven and oh just still twenty

704
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: nine years old, So he's still on the light side

705
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: of thirty. But we haven't seen that consistent commitment in

706
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: him beating the legitimate names. Well, maybe here's the first one.

707
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Long onan looke. I'm very curious they see the odds.

708
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: I really don't know where they go, but I would

709
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: guess you would go RDR at least minus two fifty.

710
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: I'm I'm assuming you mean plus two fifty. What really

711
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 5: RDRs plus two to eighty Bonnickel minus three fift.

712
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: Okay, then here's the question. What am I missing when

713
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: I see athletic differences? I get I get the one

714
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: dimensional for the most part status of what RDR really

715
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: is at this level. Let's be honest. I get that.

716
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: But is Nickel either not one dimensional himself or is

717
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: his one dimension so much more dangerous than r DR's

718
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: one dimension. What are we doing here? That's I think.

719
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: I think if I had to guess what the odds

720
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: makers are looking at, they're looking at the athletic difference.

721
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: There's simply no question. Bo Nicol is a much better athlete,

722
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, three time national champion out of Penn State.

723
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: He's a better athlete. Fact, kind of gets what he

724
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: at certain times, gets to the fight in a hurry,

725
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: whereas RDR just kind of stands real tall, you know.

726
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: But you just said.

727
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: RDR sometimes will come out you and put the pressure

728
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 3: like he did to Kevin Allen a ground affair, and

729
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: you know he can ground it out that way too.

730
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: But I think all of these force bow Nicchol to act,

731
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: whereas Paul Craig. The thing that was frustrating about the

732
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: Paul Craig fight was Paul Craig felt like a sitting

733
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: duck and that Bo Nicholl just couldn't do anything about.

734
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: RDR is just going to force contact, like you're going

735
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: to have to do something.

736
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: I think for that reason they're they're high on him,

737
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: But you know, well I would I would have favored

738
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: RDR bye by like to really no.

739
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: I would have Again, I think the odds here are

740
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: a little high in both the main.

741
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 2: And comine, but I would have I favored Nickel. Well,

742
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: we've got Nickel talking about why he believes he's gonna win,

743
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: and certainly that would support the odds if you believe

744
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: that too, And it's built upon the idea that our

745
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: dr does make a lot of mistakes. Certainly not a

746
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: perfect fighter, let's hear from Bo.

747
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, when we look at Deritter, I think

748
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: that we can obviously talk about the jiu jitsu. You know,

749
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 6: he's many many submission finishes and you know, different submissions.

750
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 9: He's got very creative.

751
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 6: On the ground and so that's something that I looked

752
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 6: at as high level skills.

753
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: And you know, he's also got a judo black belt.

754
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 6: So he's a guy that you know, uses that to

755
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 6: his an advantage in the clinch and being able to

756
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: throw people. And then when I look at a striking

757
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, he's got a really good

758
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 6: job straight left hand is pretty solid. But I think

759
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 6: that at the same time, he makes a lot of

760
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: mistakes in all areas, you know, on the ground and

761
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 6: the clinch, on the feet, and so that's something that

762
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 6: I'll look to exploit and I feel, you know, with

763
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: the game plan that my team and I have said,

764
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 6: that I'll.

765
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 9: Be able to do that.

766
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 6: So looking forward to just competing from bell de Belle

767
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: pumped up about it.

768
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question. Did he sound a little nasally?

769
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 10: There?

770
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: Are you trying to uh put at bougar shoegar rumors

771
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: around this?

772
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: No? Is he sick?

773
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Like if he've been dancing with the staff.

774
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: If he's sick, he has some kind of respiratory illness,

775
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: and he turns in another shitty performance. Even if and

776
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: especially if he wins, all of his problems are only

777
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: going to be exacerbated as a consequence.

778
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: I agree, now, But what do you get with what

779
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: he said here? R DR is certainly not perfect, certainly

780
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: not well rounded. But is our DR error prone or

781
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: is it the opposite that he's just so unorthodox that

782
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: that's his strength.

783
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: I think he's a little error prone because he'll take

784
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: risks and get himself into bad positions.

785
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: Right, But against against good strikers, that's where that becomes

786
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: an issue.

787
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: Yes, on the ground three hit him with some big shots, Yes, exactly,

788
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: So there's that, and I would say that for me,

789
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: it's like, what makes him magical is that he's got

790
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: you know that that revert, that inverted triangle he hit

791
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: on vitally big dash.

792
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Yes, you know those.

793
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: Kinds of things where he can just I wannt't I

794
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: wuldn't even necessarily call it hail Mary with.

795
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: The ease of how he dominated Kevin Holland. I mean

796
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 2: it was he just took him.

797
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: Down to Holland is not at all the force that Bonnickel.

798
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: Hasn't beaten anybody on Kevin Holland's level, has he?

799
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: Who would you favor if he fought Kevin Holland?

800
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Wait, who would Bo Nickel? If Bo Nickel fought Kevin Holland.

801
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bo Nickel would run him over. You don't think so?

802
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: No, I see the I see the reason why you

803
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: said yes. I guess what I'm really trying to say

804
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: is is there an argument?

805
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 8: Man?

806
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: No?

807
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I followed. We followed r DR's career going back

808
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 2: to one. We've had him on the show a bunch

809
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: of times. I've seen what he can do in multiple

810
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: weight classes. I believe he's faced better competition, has better experience.

811
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true.

812
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: Yes, So since Bo showed us something against Paul Craig

813
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: that felt like there was a disconnect, like with the

814
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: game plan and understanding the whole situation. Even though r

815
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: DR takes chances it can be a wild card. I

816
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: just see a guy that's fought much better competition and

817
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: has has swam for the most part. I mean, look,

818
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: he got sent to hell by Mallekin twice, Like there's

819
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: no but that's all. That's a freaking heavy, that's a steamroller.

820
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: In retrospect, it's kind of an insane fight to make.

821
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying like the ease in which yeah,

822
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: maybe maybe bon Nickel handles Holland in that same exact way.

823
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: So that part's a moot point. But bow Nickel has

824
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: more questions than he has things to impress us each

825
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: time he steps up right, and I want him to succeed.

826
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: I like the bon Nickel story. That was one of

827
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 2: the rare college wrestlers that I did follow his story

828
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: throughout it, and you know, he has a cool name

829
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: and he seems like a decent dude, but his striking

830
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: ain't it. But this is also a weird matchup in

831
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: which both guys can't strike. So how does that what

832
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: is that going to produce as an actual fight in

833
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: your eyes? Is it going to be one of these

834
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: things where they're not going to look to push their

835
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: ground advantages and it's a really gross spar striking match

836
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: like Damian Maya versus a versus No versus a ben

837
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: A Askrin you shall receive Yeah, or as Colby Covington

838
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: called him, ass Cream. Yeah, him and ask Cream had

839
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: the grossest hand fighting match ever. Yeah. Is this a

840
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: replay of that? Or does one person have the ability

841
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: to hold an advantage on the ground with their specific skill.

842
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: Set you I would imagine that in terms of M

843
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: M A, which is what this is. Bo Nickel has

844
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: sizeable advantages on the ground because he can he is

845
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: much more nimble, he can reverse position I think underneath

846
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: in terms of like wrestling get ups, you can control

847
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: from the back. But he's not the same kind of

848
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: submission threat that I think a guy like RDR is.

849
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: RDR is significantly more dangerous and that particular respect. But

850
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, you have to get to a position. I see,

851
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: I see you smirking.

852
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna tap that ass. I think RDRs

853
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: plus money, I mean put your name on it, as

854
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: HERM Edwards used to say, Yeah, r DR by submission

855
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: win an upset win, and this will catapult him into

856
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: a very big fight Long Island. Luke, tell me there's

857
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: value on this.

858
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 5: Please, I mean there's val I would just take RDR

859
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 5: as a dog at that point, though, why even then?

860
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Tell me the other side of it? Do you believe

861
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: in Bonnickel in this fight? What is he going to do?

862
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

863
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 5: Unlike what you guys were saying before, I actually think

864
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: this is exactly like the Paul Craig fight. And it

865
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: might be another boring Bonnickel decision where he doesn't even shoot,

866
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: But I'm cool with that. I'm taking Bonnickel by decision.

867
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not even sure bon nichols striking is better

868
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 2: than RDR. That's what I'm trying to say.

869
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: I might agree with that, but he's a better athlete

870
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: and he can control in the wrestling and thrash him

871
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 3: about That's what I think.

872
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: So he'll win a gross fight.

873
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what he wants to do, this is

874
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, what does he there?

875
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 6: Was?

876
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so there is one interpretation like once someone pisses

877
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: off the fans. You can't tell them anything that doesn't

878
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: go with a prevailing narrative.

879
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Yes, but one thing that.

880
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: Is at least on my mind, and I cannot declare

881
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: that I think it is true because I don't know

882
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: if it's true. But there's a part of me that

883
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: thinks that he fought How do I say this? It's

884
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: it's not it's total logical to say he fought that

885
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: way intentionally. But what I'm saying is there was a

886
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: he held something back against Paul Craig intentionally, not just

887
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: the wrestling, but even in the striking, get the experience,

888
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: to get just the experience, because he just wanted to

889
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 3: almost carry the guy.

890
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: Is that like Larry Bird playing left handed in Portland

891
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: that time?

892
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, That's exactly right, And so I kind

893
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: of wonder about that. I don't know, I don't know

894
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: if that's the likeliest explanation, but I've seen it with

895
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: other fighters before and then they come out the next

896
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 3: time and you're like, where the fuck was that guy

897
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: the last time?

898
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just see what we get. Interesting shit, right there,

899
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: two aging bangers in the welterweight division. It'll keep me

900
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: in the chair. But do you care at all about

901
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: Santiego pods and nibbio versus Derod Daniel Rodriguez.

902
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: No, not really.

903
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean it's a fine fight and it'll be fun,

904
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: but no one's going anywhere. Yeah, I mean two guys

905
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: a little bit older, long in the tooth, but they're

906
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: experienced and they're dangerous and that should be fun.

907
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: All right.

908
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: What about Montel Jackson at bandon weight, he only fights

909
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: once a year, but he is on a fairly impressive run,

910
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: even though his inactivity actually includes a JP Bays.

911
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: Win during this curtain wind, I was gonna say'm actually

912
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: a little hiher on Daniel Danielle Marcos.

913
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: He might be the bigger feature in the bigger focus

914
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: right here. But how much do you like this fight?

915
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Because in terms of what they're both trying to accomplish

916
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: and what's ahead of them, this is interesting till.

917
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, quiet little banger this one. As you indicate everything

918
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: about Montel Jackson, I echo. But then you go to

919
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: the Marcos side, has that winter over Castanieta and yan

920
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: Yez which was a very surprising, hard nosed, devastating leg kicker.

921
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: He's interesting, undefeated I kind of like that fight a lot. Actually,

922
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: that one is definitely one to keep your eye on.

923
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh should I keep my eye at all? In this

924
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: six fight main card on the other bandonm waight tilt

925
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: between Cameron Smotherman and Sir he Sidey, I don't neither

926
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: have wiki pages come on long and like give long.

927
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 5: Cameron Smotherman, in his UFC debut, was plus four forty

928
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: against Drake Hadley gaff cashed it.

929
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: I'm taking Cam Smotherman this week. He's a dog again.

930
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, look here seems to be a little bit

931
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: of care level over BKFC star Jeremy Stevens making a

932
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: UFC comeback. It's into his home base right of Iowa

933
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: where he comes from. There isn't he a Bettendorf?

934
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's betting door for or not,

935
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: but he's definitely Iowa.

936
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think about this matchup against Mason Jones?

937
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: Iowa worst Mexican food in the country.

938
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Do you remember when you had COVID that one time

939
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: or ever where you couldn't taste anything?

940
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's just for a little while.

941
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: That's what all the Mexican food in Iowa tastes like

942
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: tastes like you got cod.

943
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: It's like having pizza everywhere else in the country.

944
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I saw an interesting stat from Dan tom

945
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: For I'm not sure if he said Ima junkie still

946
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 3: or not. But when Jeremy Stevens made his UFC debut,

947
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: Chuck Ledell was the light heavyweight champion. Holy shit balls,

948
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: what an iron man this guy has turned out to be.

949
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: Mason Jones was a guy who previously was in the UFC,

950
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: had a lot of hype.

951
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: He is well.

952
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: Rounded, but couldn't quite put it all together. Gonna get

953
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: another crack at it here. I I don't know what.

954
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: To make of this one.

955
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: To be honest, Mason Jones is more well rounded, but

956
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: Jeremy Stevens is a devastating puncher. He's certainly gonna have

957
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: the wind that is back in terms of the home

958
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: and field advantage.

959
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: Like this is a big moment for him because if

960
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: you actually look at his MMA record in his last

961
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: ten fights, he's one win, eight losses in one no contest. Yeah,

962
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: and that one win is a split decision over Mouth.

963
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: But then you know what, But then but then he

964
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: had boxing match.

965
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Well, this is the point then he goes out of

966
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: the UFC kind of rebuilds his name to the point

967
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: where he's headlining for BKFC and kind of, I know,

968
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: he's like a free agent now, but kind of like

969
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: a star. To get that callback from the UFC and

970
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: for it to be in your home state, we might

971
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: get a way more dangerous version than thirty eight year

972
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: old little heathen. Then we have a right to because

973
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: of that, that that swagger, that peacock moment. He's being

974
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: recognized in a lot of ways.

975
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: I totally agree. So it's a weird one where Jones

976
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: on paper has more ways to win, but Stevens is

977
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: seemingly still kind of dangerous and in a once in

978
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: a career literally for the UFC anyway, and him once

979
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: in a career opportunity.

980
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: I suspect you're going to get something special out of him.

981
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: Let's hear Jeremy Stevens cut a promo here on how

982
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: excited he is.

983
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 9: Yeah.

984
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 11: I was snapping brawls and breaking jaws and then my

985
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 11: wife was like, hey, you should have hit up data,

986
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 11: and I was like, nah, you know, I'm kind of

987
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 11: an older guy.

988
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 9: They want these young guys, you know.

989
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 11: I was just kind of like in my nerd thoughts,

990
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 11: everybody kind of goes there right like I don't know

991
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 11: if I deserve this or what that really is. But

992
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 11: my wife, you know, God bless her, she was just

993
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 11: really all me, like, dude, hit him up, hit them up.

994
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 11: And I was on my way actually back here to

995
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 11: Des Moines, And before before I even got to the airport,

996
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 11: I was like, hey, you know, right, write me up

997
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 11: a little message. I'm gonna shoot him over a message

998
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 11: because I think I lost his number. I got like

999
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 11: an old number of his we stayed in contact over

1000
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 11: the years. And she wrote me a message and I

1001
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 11: sent it to him on Instagram.

1002
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 9: And I came back here to Des Moines. I came

1003
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 9: here to like see.

1004
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 11: My mom, fill up my cup of family that way

1005
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 11: and go back home and just get.

1006
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 9: Back to business.

1007
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 11: And all week I've been around, I was taking my

1008
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 11: grandma out to eat, you know, visiting people, and just

1009
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 11: the fans around here.

1010
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 9: It's my hometown, everybody recognizing me.

1011
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 11: They're like, man, you know they announced that card you

1012
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 11: should be on that, you know, And I was like, yeah,

1013
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 11: I send Uncle Dana a message.

1014
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 9: I haven't heard from him, you know, hopefully something pops up.

1015
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 11: And the day that I left, on like Sunday morning,

1016
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 11: I woke up like four point thirty in the morning

1017
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 11: and I got a message from him like one two

1018
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 11: in the morning.

1019
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 9: You know, how Dana is. He's up. You know, maybe

1020
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 9: he's throwing like five grand on black you know what

1021
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 9: I'm saying.

1022
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: So he was.

1023
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 11: He sent me that message, was like, hey man, I'm

1024
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 11: been trying to get a hold of you. A great fight, dude,

1025
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 11: I'm gonna have Hunter reach out to you. I go

1026
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 11: to the airport, my flight gets delayed. I was supposed

1027
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 11: to go to Denver, Denver to San Diego, and I

1028
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 11: ended up going to Vegas. So my delusions started kind

1029
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 11: of like kicking in, like Yo, I'm gonna be in

1030
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 11: the big Boy office tonight.

1031
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1032
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 9: I landed in landed in Vegas, and I got.

1033
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 11: On the phone with with Hunter Campbell once I deeporded

1034
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 11: that plane and he's like, hey, just go home, like

1035
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 11: you know, like we had like a really good talk.

1036
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 9: He's like, go home, send me some names. You know

1037
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 9: what you're thinking. And I shot.

1038
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 11: I shot big you know Connor justin Gaegee, you know

1039
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 11: Max Holloway for the BMF.

1040
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 9: Bel you know, considering he just got knocked down. I know,

1041
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 9: I'm thinking real big, you know, I'm gonna shoot my.

1042
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 11: Shot, and they gave me the opponent, you know. And

1043
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 11: he calls me up later and he's like, man, congratulations,

1044
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 11: I'm gonna announce it as soon as we get off

1045
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 11: the phone. And you know, I told my wife, you know,

1046
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 11: and gave her a big hug like I was like

1047
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 11: almost in tears, you know, because you know, I.

1048
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 9: Know I made it happen with my work.

1049
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 11: But if it wasn't for my wife, I wouldn't be

1050
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 11: sitting here right here today.

1051
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Hey, the hardest one forty five are It feels good

1052
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: to see him get a moment, it does, I mean

1053
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: he's hung up with not.

1054
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: Enough UFC fighters get a chance to compete in their hometown. Yes,

1055
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: And I don't mean like the ones who moved to

1056
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: Vegas and fight in the Apex. That doesn't count.

1057
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: I mean, like.

1058
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Where you have roots, where you grew up. It's nice.

1059
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: I'll never forget when they had and listen, it was

1060
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: a great fight. I'm not mad at it. I really

1061
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. But when Dominic Cruz fought TJ. Dilishaw, I

1062
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: was in Boston.

1063
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck are these two guys fighting

1064
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: in Boston for?

1065
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: Like?

1066
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Put them in where they're from.

1067
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: And so it's nice to see a guy who's just

1068
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: been a consistent presence get an opportunity like this.

1069
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Indeed, and we do have one more piece of video

1070
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: related to the bow Nickel fight that I forgot to

1071
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: throw to. Here's him epping on the scale. There has

1072
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: been a lot of talk that he's talking about that

1073
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: ye too bulky, and he's had a bigger weight cut

1074
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: than maybe he needs to. Well, I wonder if this

1075
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: will play into our betting strategy. Let's watch it. I

1076
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: had my foot.

1077
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Long Island. That's fake, right, I.

1078
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: Don't know if it's fair. How when was it released

1079
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: as my class this week? But was it from this week?

1080
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1081
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: But look at the camera cuts? Are we not talking

1082
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: about the fucking camera cuts?

1083
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't believe any video or photoshop.

1084
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what I'm saying, Like, I just don't. I don't.

1085
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a leaked video anymore, you

1086
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1087
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there are ways to do it, but

1088
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: I agree, like in general, it's not it wasn't. I'm

1089
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: not saying he's once again, we don't know what the

1090
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: truth is, but my feeling is there's a high probability

1091
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: that could be faked. I don't I don't accept it

1092
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: at face value. I can certainly tell you that. How

1093
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: about that.

1094
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair, that's fair, But maybe that plays. I mean,

1095
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: there's a big fight for him, big fight for him.

1096
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: He's got to come take his swing. You can't backdoor

1097
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: a gross decision. All right, come take your swing. Bo

1098
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: let's find out. All right, Dutch Knight is ready? Do

1099
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: you care about the featured prelim main event and the

1100
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: women's bandam weeight division as Yanna don't call her Maheta

1101
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: Santos Luke will take on Misha Tate. I mean, we

1102
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: got to respect the band, the brand when it comes

1103
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: to Misha Tate. But I can't say that this fight

1104
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: is going anywhere.

1105
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: Or that I am so surprised she's on the prelims,

1106
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: like for an organization, like for example, like.

1107
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: We got six fights on the main card and she's

1108
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: not one of them.

1109
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: That that is so surprising to me. Like, don't get

1110
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 3: me wrong, Santiaga, Ponzinnibbia and dant d rod. I don't

1111
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: hate the fight.

1112
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1113
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at the fight, but you know, you

1114
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: got Tate and Santos. I don't know what what do

1115
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: you think it says that they put this on the

1116
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: pre limbs, like they're cashing her out.

1117
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're cashing her out, right. I mean, she's

1118
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: She's two and four in her last six, She's two

1119
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: and two since making the comeback. The two losses came

1120
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: against decent competition, right, Like Kaitlyn Vieira was one of them.

1121
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: I double check, but yeah.

1122
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: I've got it right here, and and then you know,

1123
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: didn't look great in.

1124
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: The Murphy and Kitlyn Vieira.

1125
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: So so those are you know, decent sort of elite

1126
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: gatekeeper esh and then be lower level competition outside of that.

1127
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: I know she made those recent comments about I'll only

1128
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: fight Juliana Payne if it's a title fight, and we're

1129
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: all like, I don't know at thirty eight if we're

1130
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: getting any closer to that, even in a completely shallow division.

1131
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: So maybe out of respect, you could have thrown it

1132
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: on the main card or maybe this is do they

1133
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: still do I mean, is it still in their mindset

1134
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 2: of a featured prelim sets up as the preview to

1135
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: the main card. If you're on the fight night level,

1136
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: probably not. I don't think it's It's different when you're

1137
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: using that fight to sell the paper, right, so put

1138
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: an old Robbie Lawler in there or whatever. Yeah, it's

1139
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: a little surprise. Shes just a sign of the times.

1140
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what is she still fighting for? Just the

1141
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: competition loves it.

1142
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: She wanted to, she took a five break and then

1143
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: wanted to come back and scratch that itch.

1144
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not. I'm not really sure what

1145
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: she wants out of this, to be honest with you.

1146
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe she still believes she can be champion,

1147
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: and I honestly, you know, at thirty five, is it

1148
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: that hard to get a title shot right now?

1149
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not the craziest thought.

1150
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't you rather see her in like PFL against

1151
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Cyborg or am I making it my acting crazy?

1152
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: I would?

1153
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it's a much better opportunity for her, Okay,

1154
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: but I don't know what she wants and obviously she's

1155
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: under contract and it's not that simple.

1156
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: Do you have levels of care for any other fight

1157
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: on this preliminary.

1158
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that I was talking to I

1159
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: did the xFC commentary this week with Jessica Agui Laara,

1160
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: and she was telling me she'd been in contact with

1161
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: Gillian Robertson, who's Dean Thomas.

1162
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 2: Actually, it was kind of funny.

1163
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do the call this past Wednesday

1164
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: with Dean Thomas, but Dean had to travel for this

1165
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: because he's cornering.

1166
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: Gillian shouts to Dean.

1167
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 3: We love Dean here, we gotta get him in studio quick.

1168
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: Do you know Jeremy Stephens as you mentioned, when he

1169
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: made his UFC debut, Chuck Liddell was champion.

1170
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he fought Dean.

1171
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, he fought Dean.

1172
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: Dean arm martem right, that's fucking crazy. In fact, Dean

1173
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: arm mart him and then he picked Deane up and

1174
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 3: slammed him. But it only like made the armbar tighter. Yes, yeah,

1175
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: Dean's Dean's. Dean has been around a lot. Dean got

1176
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: knocked out by bj Penn back in like the Oughts Brod.

1177
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: He catch those Kenny Florin helbows too.

1178
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: I can't remember anymore.

1179
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: Maybe he almost fought my ooga until Don King suit at.

1180
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: The last at the at the bow Jangles are yes,

1181
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: so yes, I actually that one's kind of interesting. Jillian

1182
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: Robertson is quietly put together a nice little record. Marina Hadriguez.

1183
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: You know she is thirty eight thirty, Well, she's dangerous

1184
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 3: on the feet, very tough in the clinch. The ground

1185
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: is not her best place. So this is a you

1186
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: would imagine a potentially very winnable fight. Jillian Robertson, I'm

1187
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: just I'm gonna says, sort of like a quiet kind

1188
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: of you know, contender, maybe a little bit at the

1189
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: back end, but making some moves for sure.

1190
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: She Jillian Robinson has won five of her last six.

1191
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: Very impressive for you know, a certain level of competition

1192
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: in Harodriguez will being you know, greater in terms of experience,

1193
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: and Raking in the past has lost four or five.

1194
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: So it does have a little bit of a crossroads effort.

1195
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: And isn't Jillian a big backer of THHC as well?

1196
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: Oh?

1197
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: Is she? Yes? Bong Island Luke knows that.

1198
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's the one who took Bong hits in the sauna.

1199
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 4: We put it on. Have you seen this ship?

1200
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: Well, we just found our new favorite fighter didn't right.

1201
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of favorite fighters, you into the Killer Miller Juliana

1202
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: Miller against Evanna Petrovich curtain jerker there at Women's.

1203
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Flyway, not really no, nor.

1204
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: The heavyweight matchup between Thomas Peterson and Dantel May.

1205
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: Would you argue that you've lost the level of care

1206
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: for Killer Miller on this run.

1207
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that's a question for you pants around the ankles,

1208
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: not for me.

1209
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: That's also we didn't we didn't we.

1210
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 3: Gaston Balanos is an interesting guy. I don't think he's

1211
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: performed up to the level of his potential. A very

1212
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: good kickboxer, but he is always at least good for

1213
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 3: counting on somebody who's gonna, you know, bring the action

1214
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: I think often than not India.

1215
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: Let's go to the topic number two, and it's going

1216
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: to take place in this city this evening. Folks. It's

1217
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: a Times Square tripleheader, at least in terms of the

1218
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: major fights that's being pushed. I know there's also an

1219
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: NYPD versus NYFD matchup, but Turkey Alshka is going to

1220
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: take his Ring magazine series on its second stop, this

1221
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: time first on us soil and the first boxing match

1222
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: in Times Square. This does matter. This is something. There

1223
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: are some young must see personalities on this card with

1224
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: a big tease for the future. It's a Di Zonne

1225
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: pay per view this evening beginning at six pm Eastern Time,

1226
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: and we've got three of the biggest young stars when

1227
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: you consider Ryan Garcia, Devin Haiti and Tao Femo Lopez

1228
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: Junior in separate bouts, but Luke with the exception of

1229
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: Tao's bout, which is probably the closest matched on the card,

1230
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: certainly from an odds standpoint, the main and Comaine is

1231
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 2: featuring Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia in separate fights. There

1232
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: seems to be no hiding that the promoters the Turkey

1233
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: plan is to see those two in the ring against

1234
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: one another. It looks like September they're targeting it. Brian

1235
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: Garcia saying, the deal's already done, it's already signed. Like

1236
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 2: you can even get the feeling like win or lose,

1237
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna see that one next. What do you think

1238
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: about the way that this fight has been promoted though

1239
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: and pushed. It feels like the focus has been almost

1240
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: completely on Ryan versus Devin, including the movie trailer that

1241
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: they put out. Is that the right push an angle here,

1242
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: considering that's what they're building to, and is everybody else

1243
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: just sort of you know, players in that larger drama.

1244
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 3: It clearly is one of these cases where if the

1245
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: event ultimately goes how the promoter has set it up,

1246
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: all's well, that will end well, right, there's really no

1247
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: problem there. But it has been very, very weird Long

1248
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: Island Luke, who is Ryan Garcia fighting this weekend?

1249
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: Rolando Romero okay, who.

1250
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: Is Devin Haney fighting? And Teo Femo?

1251
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 4: Arnold Barboss all right, well you're were on.

1252
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: The show, you don't count.

1253
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: I feel like if you asked the most casual boxing fans,

1254
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: they couldn't tell you. They would tell you, Hey, I

1255
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: know Tayo Femo's on the card, I know Ryan's on

1256
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: the card, and certainly Devin Hanes on the card. But

1257
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: like I was looking through the ring magazines online content

1258
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: that it put out, yes or this week anyway, for

1259
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: the various media events they were doing out of this card,

1260
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: they absolutely did. It's not a question of did they

1261
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: promote it hard.

1262
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: Yes.

1263
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: I didn't hear one fucking quote from Jose Ramirez. I

1264
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: didn't hear one. I did hear some stuff from Barbosa.

1265
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: Barbosa managed to kind of chirp back and forth with Lopez. Lopez,

1266
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: by the way, putting on the luchador mask.

1267
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: We'll kind of like that.

1268
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 3: I will tell you if there is any possibility of

1269
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: an upset among these three, it is absolutely with Barboza

1270
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: Junior against Lopez, and part because I'm not fully convinced

1271
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: Lopez is taking him seriously. But I'll say this, if

1272
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: this ends up actually just being a kind of a

1273
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: showcase event to promote the rematch, We're going to look

1274
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: back on this weekend and say, you know what, maybe

1275
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: it was a little bit of a you know, we

1276
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: didn't have to have these fights, but but it served

1277
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: a purpose.

1278
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: Sure.

1279
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: But the potential for backfiring here is significant. It is

1280
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: not so much because we think Ramirez or whoever is

1281
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: a genuine threat, but if they're if Rolly does something

1282
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: you know, insane and knocks out Garcia, which I don't

1283
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: think will happen, but if it's I didn't think Garcia

1284
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 3: was gonna beat Haney, and holy shit, Cano beat Lopez

1285
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: right exactly. So if something goes wrong, we're gonna look

1286
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: back and say, these guys completely wasted an opportunity, and

1287
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 3: we should point out something. Garcia has been off a year,

1288
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: Haiti has been off a year. There's been changes in

1289
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: their whole lives, and yeah, the whole thing. And so

1290
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: it's like there's a bunch of questions about this. They're

1291
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: rolling the dice. Let's like, like a true Vegas businessman,

1292
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: let's see what ends up happening. But it is not

1293
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: without risk.

1294
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: In the end.

1295
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: I think that we talk a lot in the show

1296
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 2: about how boxing odds are naturally just way wider than MM.

1297
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: They don't. Boxing doesn't doesn't often try to actually tell

1298
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: you the true chances of somebody winning a fight. I mean,

1299
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: Long Island, do you have the odds right in front

1300
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: of you? They're astronomical in the main and co main

1301
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: event involving Garcia and Hani.

1302
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: I don't have them right in front of me.

1303
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm pulling them up. I'm pulling them.

1304
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking like like ten to one.

1305
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So according to our friends here at DraftKings, Devin

1306
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: Haney is a minus twelve hundred to Jose Ramirez's plus

1307
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: seven hundred. Roly Romero is I'll let me start with Garcia.

1308
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: Garcia minus eleven hundred to Rolando Romero's plus six fifty, So.

1309
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: That doesn't tell you the actual chances that the B

1310
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: sides have. I'm here on record saying I love the

1311
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: way this fight was matched, I love the personalities involved,

1312
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: I love the chances. Turkey's taking by putting it in

1313
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: Times Square probably cost an enormous penny. And you know

1314
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: he wants to bring the next cart in July to

1315
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: an unnamed as of yet New York unique location. Same

1316
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: thing with Alcatraz. I'm all in on this. I'm also

1317
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: not going to criticize the idea of people just saying, well,

1318
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 2: why don't Hane and Garcia just rematch it you right now?

1319
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: Because although I'm not normally a fan of marinating like this,

1320
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 2: as we like to say in the boxing game, because

1321
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: that's dangerous, this is also an event tonight that we

1322
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: must see. It's got a lot of layers to it.

1323
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: There are a lot of questions to answer for both

1324
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: Garcia and Hani physically mentally, from that big upset last year,

1325
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: the no contest, the drug suspension, the fact that Hane

1326
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: you know, has sued Garcia. So maybe they're right Luke

1327
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: to make it all about this. In fact, it might

1328
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: be time to go even deeper on that level. It

1329
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: might be time to go shots fired. Brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Querovo. Let's go right here, That's what I'm talking about.

1331
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: Brought to you by Quervo. Now, of course it's a

1332
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: good time to enjoy the tequila. That evented tequila and

1333
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: the trash talk has been very good, especially at this

1334
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: week's press conference where it very much became Ryan versus

1335
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: Devin and Bill Haney. Let's go to the videotape.

1336
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: I got multiple personalities.

1337
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 10: Crazy one.

1338
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: Biggest luke. I mean, you can you can cringe or

1339
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: you can love those moments. But I thought for the

1340
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Haines this whole tour, and it has been a tour.

1341
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: They've done multiple press conferences, they've done multiple face to

1342
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: face sit down so, they've done round tables. Look Turkey

1343
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: and the ring have promoted the crap out of that

1344
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: part of it. I've got to say I like the

1345
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: way the Haines handled themselves this week. They've acted like

1346
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: the villains. Bill Haney showed up to the public workout,

1347
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: was taking his own video of Ryan. Ryan was kind

1348
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: of spooked and there was trash talk back and forth,

1349
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: and you can see right there, they got Ryan to

1350
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: go off script this week. The whole build to this,

1351
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: he has been controlled, focused Ryan, and there you got

1352
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: them going. You know, I'll open up the crazy for

1353
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: you guys. Do you think that's the right move for

1354
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: the Haines, even though they're not even Ryan right here?

1355
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: I do the best move for them might be to

1356
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: try to get Ryan off of his game, going against

1357
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 2: a slugger like Rollie.

1358
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: And anything they can do to trip him up. I

1359
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: think that they are. They obviously have tried, and I

1360
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: think they should continue to try that. I mean, listen,

1361
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: that's the game that Garcia played when he thought Devin.

1362
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Haney true all of them.

1363
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Remember there was pushing at the at the presser at

1364
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: the or whatever, the media event at the Empire States,

1365
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: pushing at.

1366
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: The super Bowl when they went to media day. There

1367
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: was that.

1368
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: There was of course the beer bottle which maybe an

1369
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: apple juice or whatever.

1370
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: Being in the club.

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00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: You know, just every antic he could possibly do to

1372
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 3: completely be weird and maybe I think disarm Devin Haity

1373
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: to a degree or give him false confidence.

1374
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: He did all of that.

1375
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: Now again, if you're Devin Haney, you need to focus

1376
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: on what is in front of you, which is Jose Ramirez.

1377
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, I fully agree anything any seeds they can

1378
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: plant of doubt or misdirection or just lack of focus

1379
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: at a bare minimum, they should do that. And to

1380
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: the what you raise, it's two against one if they

1381
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: leverage those strengths with Bill and Devin against Ryan, because

1382
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: I think we have some sound around this.

1383
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: Oscar tries to go back.

1384
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: And forth, but Scar almost fought Bill. But Bill is

1385
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: just and I say this as a compliment. Bill is

1386
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: a loudmouth.

1387
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: Yes, he is a traditional boxing.

1388
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Dad, loud, loud instigator.

1389
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: He's the new Angel Garcia, right, something like that. They

1390
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: probably say the end word of the same amount of

1391
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: times to be probably honesty pointing out. I'm just pointing

1392
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: out that he is a firestarter, and Devin, to me,

1393
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: is a little bit like demure in his attitude.

1394
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: Bill is not.

1395
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: Bill leans into confrontation. That is such an ally to

1396
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: have if you leverage it correctly. They've been doing some

1397
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: of the right thing trying.

1398
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: To get the pressure off of Devon, which is smart

1399
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: because there is a lot of pressure on Devon. No

1400
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: one expected him to get dropped three times by Ryan

1401
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: and not have an answer how to get away from

1402
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: that left hook. So I don't hate how pointed there

1403
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: being and saying, Okay, we've seen Ryan go to the

1404
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: extreme mental now he seems to be some level of safer,

1405
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: which is good for him and his family and his future.

1406
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: But Ryan was involved in a lot of toxic shit

1407
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: last year. Maybe they think it's not going to be

1408
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: that difficult to get him off of his game mentally.

1409
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: But of course shots fired were brought to you by Quervo.

1410
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: Now's a good time to enjoy the Tekila that invented

1411
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: tequila and Luke I got to mention about our friends

1412
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: over there at Quervo. They'll be behind. Of course, next

1413
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: Wednesday may fit here in this studio, here at this

1414
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: table when it's UFC three fifteen pregame preview brought to

1415
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: you by Quervo and the iceman Chuck Minden Hall is

1416
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: back and he better bring it because we've had we

1417
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: had old Jet in this chair and that guy asked

1418
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: speaking given, yeah so so. But luckily, you know, with

1419
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: Chuck's hair situation, I don't think the license well, he

1420
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: took that hat off before you got here.

1421
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: When I did the show without you, that.

1422
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: One time, and uh, I was like, well, I didn't

1423
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: know I was doing the show with Anakin.

1424
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't. Okay, there we go right there. And

1425
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: by the way, young Anakin was a bitch. Fuck. I

1426
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: can't believe that that bah turned into Darth Vader, all right.

1427
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: One of Bill Hanes, though, as we focused in a

1428
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: little bit closer to Ryan's actual matchup here with Roly Romero,

1429
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: has been the transformations in Ryan's body. Now, if you remember,

1430
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: Ryan was suspended for a full year due to testing

1431
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: positive for ostering in just one of the tests after

1432
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: the Hainy fight. He claims it was a tainted supplement.

1433
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: But that's Ryan on the right now, he ha on

1434
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: Haney last April. On the left is Ryan Garcia during

1435
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: the open workout this week, and Luke, to be fair,

1436
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: he looks softer. He claims it's from moving up in

1437
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: wait from one forty to forty seven.

1438
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: Ye.

1439
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: Also, he claims, I'm just in a different spot in

1440
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: my life. You're going to get a different version, Let's

1441
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: say a couple things. I've seen some other pictures where

1442
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: he didn't look nearly as different. In fact, it could

1443
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: be to a degree quite negligible That's one thing I

1444
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: want to say.

1445
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: Two, there is simply no denying he sounds healthier this time.

1446
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, his voice doesn't. He doesn't have that party

1447
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: voice or whatever that was. He obviously is not nearly

1448
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: as manic. He's not partying, to my knowledge anyway, he's

1449
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: not in the club partying. He made the way. He

1450
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: didn't misswait this time. I remember he missed wait last time.

1451
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: So it's it's not a case that you can look

1452
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: at this and say he's as unprofessional as he was

1453
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: last time.

1454
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: That's not.

1455
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: But it'll be interesting to see what kind of performance

1456
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: we get from Ryan. Because I'm gonna say it one

1457
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 3: more time. Forget all the stuff where he was talking

1458
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: toxicity about every aggrieved you know, group on Earth, going

1459
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 3: after fighters, wives, aggressively wives, black people, Muslims, you name it.

1460
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: He was going after everybody. He's obviously copped. He just

1461
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 3: seems so much healthier now. But the point I'm trying

1462
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 3: to make is bec he did miss wait last time,

1463
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: and he did pop for oster Ee.

1464
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: Last The villain in the in the soap opera with

1465
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: with well not with the crowd. With the crowd absolutely

1466
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: loved him. Why has the crowd in your eyes come

1467
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: back that quickly and maybe not held against him his

1468
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: own toxicity. Is it because of the throes of mental anguish,

1469
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: substance abuse, his mom having cancer, Ryan going through a divorce.

1470
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: Do you think there's been an active like past given.

1471
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: I just think people we live at a very gross

1472
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: time where nobody cares about anything terrible anymore, and so

1473
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: I think it's part of it. The other part of

1474
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: it is, obviously, without any kind of question, people just

1475
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: fucking hate Devin Haney, and I think it's over the

1476
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: top and comical at this point, like, oh, he sued

1477
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 3: an opponent, his opponent maybe intentionally missedweight and had performers

1478
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: dancing drugs in his system.

1479
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: Like, well, I don't agree with the suing.

1480
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily gore with the suing, But BC, everybody

1481
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: in boxing sues everybody. Why are we pretending like the

1482
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: Hanies are unique in the situation.

1483
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: They are not.

1484
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: When you lose a fight and then you sue and.

1485
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: Roy you or see it broke every fight.

1486
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: It ruined the book. But wouldn't you agree that was

1487
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: a bad twelve months of pr for the Haney family.

1488
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: It was a disastrous twelve months of pr That's what

1489
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the fans are responding.

1490
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: Sure, let's hear from Bill Haney, who continued the stance

1491
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: this week that that Ryan's the bad guy in this scenario.

1492
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 12: He was cheated, he was violated, he was robbed, and

1493
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 12: it was my job to make sure that it doesn't

1494
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 12: happen again. Turkey made sure that for this fight all

1495
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 12: of the fighters would be not just tested, but be

1496
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 12: extensively tested in a way that they couldn't cheat or

1497
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 12: it would be very hard for him. Whereas they said

1498
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 12: that it was only a little bit, it was sixty

1499
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 12: times the limit, but they tried to create the narrative

1500
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 12: that it did have any effect. How does he look

1501
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 12: right now? He's the one that played guilty, He's the

1502
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 12: one that had it in the system, and he's the

1503
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 12: one to shrinking before our eyes.

1504
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: Wow do you see rec Renore just as Hudson Hawk

1505
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: and then with yeah, it was awesome right there, It

1506
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: was great. That's such an in Rick Grino is going

1507
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: for it this week in fashion. Have you noticed like he's.

1508
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: Going for he Heana Jones hat every day He's like

1509
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: crocodile Dundee.

1510
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: The next day it's who knows, you know.

1511
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: Do your thing player. That was interesting right there as

1512
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: it pertains to the fight with what Bill's saying, here's

1513
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: the big question here. Look, should Row should Ryan beat Roley? Yes?

1514
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: I do think people are overlooking the fact that Roly

1515
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: also has his back against the wall right now from

1516
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: the standpoint of you're not right, You're not gonna be

1517
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: a viable B side who will come in and talk

1518
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: shit and have a puncher's chance if you can't win.

1519
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: And in his last four fights he was knocked out

1520
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: by Tank, he was kind of brutally stopped by Pipul

1521
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: Cruise in a fight he was not even in. The

1522
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: weight cut played a big part. He had the win

1523
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: against barroso that he clearly didn't rest where he was

1524
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: getting beat up. And then in his most recent fight,

1525
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: a tune up against man Walheimus, he just looked too

1526
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: safe and not into it. Mentally. Roly is saying that

1527
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,959
Speaker 2: his biggest fights have come in title fights at thirty

1528
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: five and forty when he should have been a division

1529
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 2: or too higher. He's saying he will be reinvented now

1530
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: at forty seven without having to make that weight cut.

1531
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: Do you think or how much do you think not

1532
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: just the puncher's chance, but the idea that Roy realizes

1533
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: I need either an upset win or a very good performance,

1534
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: a very good representation of what I bring, or he's

1535
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: gonna drop many pegs? Will that make him extra day dangerous?

1536
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: If Garcia is softer than we've seen, if like Bill

1537
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: Haney's saying, maybe Garcia was on a shit ton of

1538
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: Oustrien last time and this time he won't.

1539
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 3: Be, well, let me just say I did not take

1540
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: Garcia's chance to seriously last time. I'm not gonna make

1541
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 3: that mistake twice. I think I think he rolls here.

1542
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: But let me just put a point out something about

1543
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: Roly Romeiro. Dude, he hasn't made a clip on social

1544
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: media of note the entire fucking week. He's been quiet, right,

1545
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 3: very quiet, And I can't tell if that's because he's

1546
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: finally wising up that, like, you know, he needs to focus.

1547
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: But what I can say is the guy who was

1548
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 3: shit talking tank about his you know, the size of

1549
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: his Johnson and everything else, Like, where is that guy?

1550
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: Nowhere to be found?

1551
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: I think his confidence has been shattered, and I can't

1552
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: quite tell if he's internalized that.

1553
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh, so he's injecting it. He might not be a

1554
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: sly as a fox sitting under the radar. You think

1555
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: he might just kind of be broken.

1556
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: This is what's so interesting about this promotion. Like, as

1557
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: we mentioned, the tail female fight against Barbosa is great.

1558
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: It's what that's a really good fight on this one

1559
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: of the other ones are all kind of lopsided, at.

1560
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: Least by the OYE dds.

1561
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: But it's just weird that you've got Roly Romero on

1562
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: this card and no one's talking about him. It's all Hany,

1563
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 3: it's all Garcia, it's all about Bill Haney, it's all

1564
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 3: about Tangentially now Oscar de la Hoya, Roly is and

1565
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying this a wallflower.

1566
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: In this Yeah, it's weird. It is so unusual to

1567
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: ever see.

1568
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't doing that against Barroso, he wasn't doing that

1569
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: against Pitbull, and he's sure as hell wasn't doing that

1570
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 3: in the lead up to the fight with Tank.

1571
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: A new turn for him, all.

1572
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 2: Right, there are some things to think about that. The

1573
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: HAINI said, is Ryan off the stuff and will that

1574
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: change it? My belief is that Ryan will be fine.

1575
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: Will look fine and actually could be on the path

1576
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: to the best stretch of his career and the most

1577
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: dangerous he's ever looked. Why Because I think he got

1578
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: close enough in the toxicity of last year to losing

1579
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: everything his career. He had to sit out a year,

1580
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: he got arrested, he almost lost custody to his kids,

1581
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: he almost lost his mom. Like, there was so much

1582
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: going on, a lot of itself imposed that I think

1583
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: he got close enough to that line that it scared

1584
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: it and it rejuvenated him. He seems to be back

1585
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: in a better mental state physically, Luke. Outside of looking softer,

1586
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: I thought he's looked good, specifically the training clips with

1587
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: Derek James. He's showing a right hand more. His technique

1588
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: has been very good, his footwork seems improved. There's a

1589
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: big opportunity for him to come in and pinata the

1590
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: shit out of early and get and get a thrust

1591
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: forward in the public eye. I not only do we

1592
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: need to see this second Hani fight, but holy shit,

1593
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: Ryan's a killer when he is fully dialed in, when

1594
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: there's nobs, So Luke for me to believe that. For me,

1595
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 2: it's fueled by something we saw in the Hani fight.

1596
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: But the question is, was what we saw in the

1597
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 2: Hani fight an indomitable version of Ryan Garcia, one who

1598
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: would not be denied. It's not just the heart he

1599
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: showed in getting up off the campus against Luke Campbell,

1600
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: which was the first sign that like, maybe he is

1601
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 2: that guy. Then he went through a lot of ups

1602
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: and downs. Am I wrong to look at the Haney

1603
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: fight and the way he carried himself even with a

1604
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: shitty training camp where he couldn't fight three minutes of

1605
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: every round. His defense was smart, on point. He had

1606
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: head movement, He was smart in the way he utilized

1607
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: the stamina he did have. He knew how to set

1608
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: up that left hook. He carried himself like a killer

1609
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 2: in there. That's not the guy from the Tank fight

1610
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 2: who came in reckless, got humbled and then kind of sheepishly,

1611
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, worked his way into a stoppage loss to

1612
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: the body. I know he had the pre existing injury.

1613
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if he has matured mentally at the

1614
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: exact right time, if he's been someone who's been open

1615
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: about the stuff he's been dealing with mentally, or maybe

1616
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: he got a lot of that anxiety out of the way,

1617
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 2: Maybe he got a lot of that shit out of

1618
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: the way and we will see the most focused version

1619
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 2: of him, because if you talk to his ex trainers,

1620
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: some of them will tell you the focus wasn't there.

1621
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: He's not great at carrying a bunch of times too.

1622
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if now is the time that it is

1623
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: the right opponent at the right time, the right setting.

1624
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of eyeballs on this, even

1625
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 2: though it's at his own pay per view. Do you

1626
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: believe we're gonna get a better version than we've seen

1627
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: before Ryan Garcia based on all of that. Is there

1628
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: enough that he could have gained confidence wise from that

1629
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: experience or could it have been pe d driven? Hard

1630
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 2: to say about whether or not it was Pedes.

1631
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he failed for him, but Austerene

1632
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 3: is one of the ones that is easy to get

1633
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: via contamination.

1634
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: So that's something that we have to understand.

1635
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 3: What I'll say is this, BC, I think that your

1636
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: theory is probably correct, but let's add a little something

1637
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: to it if we can. Devin Haney, I know everyone

1638
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: shot on him for that performance because he got knocked

1639
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 3: down three times and got his you know, he got

1640
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 3: rocked within the first thirty seconds, but BC he also

1641
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 3: cleverly clawed his way back in several rounds to kind

1642
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 3: of make it I'm not going to say like crazy close,

1643
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 3: but closer than you might have massed in a way.

1644
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 2: That he's not getting credit for.

1645
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 3: Romero can't do that. Romero does not have that kind

1646
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 3: of a skill in the same way that Haney does.

1647
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 3: And so to the point that you're raising, could we

1648
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: see a more you know, a guy who's coming into

1649
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: his own at just the right time, trying to put

1650
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 3: some of the negativity behind him. Absolutely also in his

1651
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 3: favor is that even if he is that way, he's

1652
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: not going to be going up against a guy who

1653
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 3: can challenge him in the same way that Hani Haney

1654
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 3: is doesn't have Romero's power, not not by a long shot,

1655
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 3: but he is a much better boxer and he can

1656
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: steal rounds from you in ways that Romero absolutely cannot do.

1657
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: This is set up for Garcia to look great, and

1658
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 3: I think honestly the pressures on Garcia a little bit here,

1659
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: because there's no reason why you shouldn't.

1660
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: If you are what you say you are, you should

1661
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: cruise here. Let's see, you know, a long Luke jumped

1662
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: into my live chat this week on the BCX and

1663
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 2: asked about the over under, and it's like, certainly all

1664
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: your knees are jerking toward the idea of under. I

1665
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 2: think Ford to go the distance. Really, Ryan has to

1666
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: underachieve and get hurt and have to try to like

1667
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: box his way to the finish. Yeah. I just don't

1668
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 2: see a scenario because of Roy's lack of defense. He

1669
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: squares up way too much even with the threat of

1670
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: his power. That left HOOKI is monstrous. And now we're

1671
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 2: gonna see left took in boxing. And now we're going

1672
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: to see a full one forty seven Ryan without the

1673
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: weight cut issues, without rehydration clauses like the tank fight,

1674
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: which you know that was a part of it. Big

1675
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: Ryan Ko come in.

1676
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 3: And then again, even if there were no pedes, there

1677
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: were there were substance abuse issues with recreational drugs. It

1678
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 3: does appear like that is going to Like I said, man,

1679
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 3: this is set up for Ryan to have a phenomenal

1680
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: New York homecoming, which I think is.

1681
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: Most intriguing for me outside of just seeing the event,

1682
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: seeing how it's going to be. Remember, they couldn't sell

1683
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: tickets for it on a New York law There's going

1684
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: to be a bunch of influencers and media and selected

1685
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: Turkey friends and people around there. But obviously it's such

1686
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: a cool locale and location we want to see it.

1687
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: I want to see how good and I think that's

1688
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: what everybody else wants to see how good Garcia and

1689
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: Haney look in their matchups, to see how that changes

1690
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: the narrative entering into their inevitable rematch For that to happen,

1691
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, both need to win. Of course,

1692
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: both are favored big to win. But in that col

1693
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: main event matchup of Devin Haney against former unified one

1694
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: hundred and forty champion Jose Ramirez in a one hundred

1695
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 2: and forty four pound catchweight bout, so it's a soft

1696
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: move up in weight. Devin has looked incredible and picks.

1697
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 2: He's been working with Sugar Shane Mosley on sitting down

1698
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: on his shots. They've been using him as a consultant

1699
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: in camp. Luke, I'm here to say Jose Ramirez is

1700
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: a live dog in this. Not a live dog to

1701
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: knock him out, not necessarily even a live dog to

1702
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: pull a decision I'm saying a live dog to make

1703
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: it more competitive than people think. Because Rome Romerez, who

1704
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: also had trouble cutting too wit one forty in recent years.

1705
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: Even though he's a step down for sure from where

1706
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: he was five six years ago heading into the Josh

1707
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,440
Speaker 2: Taylor fight, He'll get inside on you. He'll work aggressively,

1708
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: He's precise. There's a lot to like about him. He's

1709
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: also not getting caught up in trash talk. He's only

1710
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: worried about the job at hand and redeeming his name.

1711
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna make this tough on Devon. I

1712
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see a fight that's, you know, a

1713
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: four to seven five in the end.

1714
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: I think he can in spots, but I feel like

1715
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: Devin's ability to move around the ring is gonna be

1716
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 3: real hard for him.

1717
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: Do you have any fears mentally that Devin will carry

1718
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: the skeletons from the Mercy No.

1719
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: I think it's really over sold, Okay, I don't.

1720
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't believe. Then are you gonna

1721
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 2: go as far? Even though Ramerez is durable to imagine

1722
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: a scenario where Hani is there is there a scenario

1723
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: where Hane exit this exits this card as the favorite

1724
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: against Ryan in the rematch.

1725
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't think. Yeah, I think he's gonna

1726
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 3: I could be close, but.

1727
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: No, no stoppage, but but a solid win over twelve rounds.

1728
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna guess for Devin Haney.

1729
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 3: He yeah, I would pick him by decision. I would

1730
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 3: pick garciavia stoppage. I think are probably locks. They're probably

1731
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 3: very ol.

1732
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: Those are not the ones that are interesting to me.

1733
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 3: It's the fucking Lopez and Boza fight that's an interesting

1734
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: one too.

1735
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: Femo Lopez Junior will defend his one hundred and forty

1736
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: pound title against unbeaten mandatory in thirty three year old

1737
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 2: Arnold Barbosa Junior, who has taken the long road, not

1738
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: been given the you know, huge promotional push opportunities, but

1739
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: has consistently wanting got the job done. He went into Manchester,

1740
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: England to beat a very tough Jack Catterall to put

1741
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 2: him in this position, and Luke, maybe most importantly along

1742
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 2: with the odds actually representing the chance he really does

1743
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: have in here, is He's coming here completely confident. He

1744
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: has not gotten caught up in any of the Tao

1745
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: Femo antics. He has answered it, I think the right way.

1746
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: He's presented himself as strong. He's mentally focused. Like I said,

1747
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: thirty three years old, this is his moment, Luke, Is it?

1748
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 13: Though?

1749
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 2: Are his chances fully dependent upon which Tayo we get?

1750
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: You know what that means? It's the pump for pound

1751
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: Teo and the Loma and Josh Taylor fights, and then

1752
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: it's the just barely won the decision and wonders if

1753
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 2: he's still got it version that has popped up a

1754
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 2: few times, even if he's not only always doing this

1755
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 2: at the end more often than not, lately we've exited

1756
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: Tao fights going does he still have it? Like he

1757
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: should have done more? He could have done more, maybe

1758
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: not his most recent one when he beat up that jobber.

1759
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: But in your eyes, is Barbosa's upset chances pinned upon

1760
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: which one of those two show up for Tayo.

1761
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 3: Tao at his best should not lose. But I saw

1762
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: Sean Zetel talking about this, and he's got pretty good takes.

1763
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh, he had some some takes coming after Turkey Dana

1764
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: the FBI. He was cooking.

1765
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 3: He was cooking, but I mean, as it pertains to

1766
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 3: this fight, and he was sort of pointing out, like,

1767
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 3: you know, if you you're going to get at one

1768
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: hundred percent motivated Barboza, this is a monster opportunity for him.

1769
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: If your Tao and you're eighty to ninety, that's a

1770
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: big drop off. I mean, Tao is a much better athlete,

1771
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 3: and I think at his highest can just do much more.

1772
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 3: But if he's showing up in a luchador mask and

1773
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 3: you know, kind of playing second fiddle to the circus

1774
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 3: that is surrounding Haney and Garcia, to what extent is

1775
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 3: he locked in on this one? And I just don't

1776
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,520
Speaker 3: know how to answer that. Also, more to the point,

1777
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: there's a bit of a style issue between them, where

1778
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: Barboza doesn't throw a ton of punches, he's a little

1779
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: bit more economical and excuse me, almost with hey in

1780
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 3: the Garcia Lopez tends to be a counterpuncher, tends to

1781
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 3: want to wait around.

1782
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: The bad version of Tao does not throw enough punches.

1783
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 3: Does right, So if Barbosa is economical about this, and

1784
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 3: he's the one moving Tao around, and Tao's going for

1785
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 3: these like big hitters, and you know a lot of

1786
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: them aren't landing. Some of these rounds are going to

1787
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: get away from him. You know, dude, Barbosa is good

1788
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 3: like again. I don't think his full upside is as

1789
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 3: good as the full upside of Lopez. Question but not

1790
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: spectacl exactly, but Lopez, but but highly motivated, very professional,

1791
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: jab good job again, good good, good, good movement with

1792
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 3: his feet, Yep, Lopez if he's fucking around, Dude, If

1793
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: cam Bosis can beat Lopez when Lopez isn't dialed in

1794
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 3: one billion percent, Barbosa can.

1795
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: Be still throw the asterisk of the torn esophagus that

1796
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: mattered in that fight. But I think you're right, and

1797
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: I think it comes down to this, the problems for

1798
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 2: Tao and these performances of late where he hasn't thrown

1799
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 2: enough punches, and it just he hasn't figured it out, Lucas.

1800
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't always adjust back to his boxing roots when

1801
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: things aren't going his way and just win rounds with

1802
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: jabs like he needs to. He tries too hard to

1803
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: come up with more ways to do the explosive Roy

1804
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: Jones stuff when sometimes against tough opponents, and Barbosa's not

1805
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: gonna give him a lot of windows to land these

1806
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: huge shots unless he hurts him early. We're gonna have

1807
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: to see Tao work for it. We're gonna have to

1808
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: see him get behind that jab and make sure he's

1809
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: out working Barbosa. I tend to believe he'll rise to

1810
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: the occasion because history has shown that history has shown

1811
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: that you bring a big opponent or a big opportunity,

1812
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: he will rise to the occasion. I know that the

1813
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: jury's a little bit out because it's been a while,

1814
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 2: but this is set up for him knowing what's at stake,

1815
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: and what is at stake, by the way, because Ryan,

1816
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: if he beats Rothy, is gonna fight Devon in the fall.

1817
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: But Ryan and Tayo have been talking like crazy that

1818
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: they're gonna fight next spring. And by the way, you

1819
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: also now have Connor Ben who's gonna be at this fight.

1820
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: Him and Ryan have been exchanging that they'd love to

1821
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: do it in a stadium, big, big, big opportunities for

1822
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: these young still twenty somethings. Four prince five prince guys

1823
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: that are aligned with Turkey, and the fact that they

1824
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: all want smoke and all want to keep fighting each other.

1825
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 2: That's the best thing we can say about the Turkey experience.

1826
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: And you know, there's lots of criticize, and we've tried

1827
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 2: to be as honest as possible. But Luke, the Turkey

1828
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 2: experience has surrounded the fighters that we kind of care

1829
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: about the most, that are the most exciting, and it

1830
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 2: might it might help inject the opportunity for them to

1831
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: continue to face each other. So Tayo is going to

1832
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 2: need to be the best version of him if he

1833
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 2: wants to fight Ryan Boots, Connor Ben, all these guys

1834
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: coming up in big fights.

1835
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,919
Speaker 3: I don't have much to add to that, but certainly

1836
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: it gives you a sense of the stakes tonight involved

1837
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 3: and the universe of what is possible given the results.

1838
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, right there, all right, topic number three, let

1839
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: it let us slide over to the rest of boxing

1840
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 2: this weekend. And look, it's a big week obviously, it's

1841
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: a huge weekend for Turkey. Ala Chic not just going

1842
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: to Times Square on Friday and putting his Ring magazine

1843
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: series right on the streets of New York. It's going

1844
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 2: to be Canelo Alvarez on Saturday night in Saudi Arabia

1845
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 2: in the first of his four fight deal with the Kingdom.

1846
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: And it's also Sunday's top rank card on ESPN plus

1847
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: in which Niowa in Awe is an ambassador for Ring Magazine,

1848
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: one of Turkey's focus close guys, so he has some

1849
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: hand in that. But Luke, before we talk about Canelo

1850
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: and in a way's return, if you are going to

1851
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: criticize Turkey, because there's a lot of this weekend that

1852
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: is very good for boxing. Instead of one big Sinko

1853
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: Demayo pay per view card, we have three cards and

1854
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: three nights, all of different levels of value coming through.

1855
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't like the opponents for Canelo or in a

1856
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: way we'll get to that, but it should we accept that,

1857
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: accept Turkey raising the profile the sport and putting it

1858
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 2: in Times Square or is it safe to counter even

1859
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 2: if it sounds like sour grapes and be like, you're

1860
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: also counting the Connor Ben fight last week, giving fans

1861
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 2: three pay per views on his own in eight days.

1862
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 2: You're also keeping all these young stars off of regular

1863
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: TV or channels in which casuals can stumble into them.

1864
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: Are gonna be on his own pay per view and

1865
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: the only one that's not Sunday night. The top rank

1866
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 2: card is gonna start at ten pm Eastern on a

1867
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 2: Sunday night. Do you think it's fair to criticize that.

1868
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: It's not like we think Turkey's doing it for the

1869
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 2: betterment of the sports, doing it for himself, for his country,

1870
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: and of course for fully try trying to take over

1871
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: the entire sport. But does this weekend actually help boxing?

1872
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: If that's a thing that still matters, Pulling Canelo out

1873
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: of the States, doing a card where fans can't show

1874
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 2: up on Friday, and having three pay per view cards

1875
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: in eight days, where you could argue, if you're gonna

1876
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: throw that much money at the event, don't get a

1877
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: time buy on CBS or NBC or something where you

1878
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: can put it directly in the living rooms of the

1879
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: people that can go. If that's the future of boxing,

1880
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm in on it.

1881
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Well let's give them a little bit of credit.

1882
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 3: The U Bank and Ben fight was in sixty five

1883
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: thousand people at Tottenham, so that one was touching the

1884
01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: people so to speak.

1885
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, whenever we do these Saudi Arabia cards.

1886
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like a broken record, but

1887
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: to me, we we have to acknowledge there is a

1888
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 3: lot of good with them, as well as a lot

1889
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: of things that I think we have to be aware

1890
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 3: of critically, The good part is the stuff we've already

1891
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: talked about. We are excited for the return of all

1892
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: of these guys. We are excited about what it could

1893
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 3: mean down the road for handing Garcia to get together.

1894
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: If you didn't see the trailer that Dezonne or you know,

1895
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if the Saudi's paid for it or not,

1896
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 3: but the one they put out for this that was Yeah.

1897
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 3: In any case, it was really well done. Like, there's

1898
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 3: a lot of fun stuff about this, and again it's

1899
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 3: gonna look really good. I think on TV tonight on

1900
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: this for this, for this Friday.

1901
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: Night card and the weather is holding up.

1902
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: No, yeah, yeah, So like listen, there's a lot of

1903
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: positive there that you ben, card was incredible. This one

1904
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 3: tonight should be really really good. I don't think tomorrow

1905
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 3: is going to be a home run. I think Tomorrow

1906
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: is going to be a bit of a dud, and

1907
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 3: Sunday probably too. I don't know if you guys have

1908
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: been following this. Apparently the Las Vegas economy is not

1909
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 3: doing great. Have you Long Island look, have you heard

1910
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: anything about this?

1911
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 4: I can't say that I have.

1912
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: I've been reading about this a little bit. It turns

1913
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 3: out like not a lot of people are showing up

1914
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 3: to Vegas these days.

1915
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1916
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it's strictly a function of the fights

1917
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: not being there as often.

1918
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: It's probably a number of factors.

1919
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm pointing out, in a way, is there

1920
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 3: kind of on a kind of a dead weekend in

1921
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: the city.

1922
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,520
Speaker 2: Well, wasn't the rumor that the Vegas was value extracted

1923
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: even more than Tiko was doing in the in their

1924
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: specific combat. And then you know, listen, you go to Vegas,

1925
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 2: everything is insanely expensive.

1926
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm trying to point out.

1927
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: I am happy to talk about the good parts of

1928
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 3: what the Turkey experiment is going to give us, and

1929
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 3: it has given us some great English fights. It is

1930
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 3: giving us right now pretty consistent use of their talent.

1931
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 3: He has paid for previously for any number of big

1932
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: heavyweight fights. And of course there was Bivol and better

1933
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 3: BV and we got that twice, and you know, the

1934
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: whole nine yards. All that stuff is great. But at

1935
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 3: the same time, to that point, everyone was telling me,

1936
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: you look how cheap the paper view prices are, But

1937
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 3: how cheap can they be if you're getting three in

1938
01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: eight days. That's the first thing I'm going to say.

1939
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,799
Speaker 3: Second of all, let's just be honest about it. Canelo

1940
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 3: fighting in Saudi Arabia is borderline of crime. It's ridiculous

1941
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 3: that he is fighting there. It is absolutely indefensible, other

1942
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 3: than everyone's just trying to cash in on what is

1943
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 3: probably gonna be you monstrous paid day.

1944
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 2: Where they needed to keep Canelo away from Jake Paul

1945
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: knowing that they could put that fight on Netflix at

1946
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: that time.

1947
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: Fine, but even then it should not be absolutely.

1948
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 2: In Saudi Arabia at all.

1949
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 3: A total disaster, total disaster. And in a way versus

1950
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 3: Cardanas is fine. But the real fight is the Akmedalia fight,

1951
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: which this one is supposed to set up, and it's

1952
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 3: happening in a weekend where I don't know if in

1953
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 3: a way it can actually be a big star in

1954
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 3: Vegas absent some other real kind of promotional force and

1955
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 3: top ranks doing their best, but there's just not a.

1956
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: Whole lot necessarily to it.

1957
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 3: And the Riya season shine does not appear to be

1958
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 3: the halo does not appear to be extending in that

1959
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 3: particular way. Also, you know, some of this stuff is

1960
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,520
Speaker 3: very fan inaccessible. The ubank Benkard is a clear opposite

1961
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 3: of that. But you know there's going to be not

1962
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,560
Speaker 3: many people to see Canelo. Yeah, it's a mandatory, but

1963
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: I've seen other mandatories. But the last one in Guadalajara

1964
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: when he fought who was it?

1965
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,879
Speaker 2: It was the white guy from England.

1966
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Yes, he couldn't finish him off.

1967
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: But you know the opening scene, John Ryder had this

1968
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 3: huge almost orchestra and all these mariachis in this giant show.

1969
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: Was a fucking show.

1970
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: You know, what are we gonna get in Saudi Arabia

1971
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 3: with this like nothing even approximately.

1972
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: Putting it in a six thousand person arena? What is this?

1973
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: What is this? This is this is a this is.

1974
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: Absurd, I hate to say it.

1975
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: So it's a mixed bag.

1976
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 2: Is it's a mixed bag. I've never seen this much apathy,

1977
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: anger or just I don't give an f about Canelo's fight. So,

1978
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 2: for the record, Canelo's defending his unified super middleweight championship

1979
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: against unbeaten IBF title holder William Skull. Now Skull only

1980
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: became the champion because Canelo wanted to fight Edgar Berlanga

1981
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 2: last year instead of defending against Skull his mandatory, so

1982
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: Canelo was stripped of the IBF title. Skull fought Vladimir

1983
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: Chikin in Germany. It was not a fun I didn't

1984
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 2: make either one look good and Skull kind of had

1985
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,799
Speaker 2: a hang on. Lady got hurt and kind of staggered,

1986
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, and faded a bit late, although he was

1987
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 2: the clear winner. But Luke, even though he's unbeaten, he's

1988
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: from Cuba, fights out of Germany, has almost no footprint.

1989
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,839
Speaker 2: As you know, victory is over some second tier guys.

1990
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: The Shishkin fight is a decent win. Skull is terrible,

1991
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: but now he's in here against Canelo only really to

1992
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: be fair because when you do Canelo versus Crawford later

1993
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: this year, which we expect Turkey a TKO to do

1994
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: in a Vegas stadium, Allegiant Stadium, it's going to be

1995
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: a much better sell if Canelo comes in there as

1996
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 2: undisputed super middleweight champion, so that Bud Crawford has the

1997
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: historical chance to become a three division, four belt on

1998
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 2: disputed champion. But yet what you're doing is you're tossing

1999
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 2: it on a weekend where the focus is really on tonight,

2000
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 2: and this just feels like an extreme afterthought. The crowd's

2001
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 2: not going to be wild, it's not going to be

2002
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 2: going crazy. There was nobody at that at that Grand arrival.

2003
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: It's in Riod and oh, by the way, he's a

2004
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: fifty to one favor Yeah, I mean, who gives a fuck.

2005
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: It sucks. It sucks, and it just further pushes him

2006
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: away from Benavidez, which is the fight he should be

2007
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: doing right now. Nobody's making Canelo though, doesn't it. I mean,

2008
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: the IBF stripped him, but it's not like WBC's like

2009
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: making him, you know, defend his title. They'll just give

2010
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: him super champion bullshit. It feels like Turkey would just

2011
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 2: rather have him than than have the enemy have him.

2012
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: And obviously Turkey wants to do big things with TKO,

2013
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: with Canelo, but this is a waste of the remaining

2014
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 2: fights that we are going to have left with Big Red.

2015
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the kind of fights he wants

2016
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: though right now he's more than happy to take this

2017
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,919
Speaker 2: money and do it. Here is Canelo talking or grading

2018
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 2: potential future opponents on a good and great scale. When

2019
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 2: he did talk to the media this week.

2020
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 14: William Scale, Christ Jr. Good fighter, Billy Joe Saunders fought

2021
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 14: fighter to meet true bivil, good fight, great fighter.

2022
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 13: Yeah exactly, Floyd Mayweather, great fight and good blangah, good fighter,

2023
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 13: Terrence Crawford, great fighter.

2024
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 3: So Skull Billie Joe Sanders, by the way, is incredibly fat.

2025
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: He is. He was trying to he was trying to

2026
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: get involved in that U bank bending last year.

2027
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I got a little racial back there.

2028
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he likes that. Uh. In terms of this one, look,

2029
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: Skull is taller than Canelo. He's got quick feet, he

2030
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 2: holds distance well, he's pretty accurate with his punches, decent speed,

2031
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: but he doesn't throw a lot. He doesn't hold a lot.

2032
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: He holds a lot so which keeps the output down.

2033
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 2: But that's not the avenue to getting a decision over Canelo.

2034
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: He did come out this week and say I'm going

2035
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: to eat him. When talking about Canelo, I mean, you know,

2036
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: God bless him. It's the biggest opportunity of his life.

2037
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: But here's the belt on the line that the WBC

2038
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: is going to flow, obviously, the undisputed championship.

2039
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: This is the coolest thing about this.

2040
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's unnecessary, but it is pretty cool. The

2041
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: design is absolutely incredible. Okay, WBC continue to put out

2042
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: the Colliente bill there, what is that called the Zico

2043
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: ten cattelvelt. I don't even I mean like shout out

2044
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 2: to I mean like, that's the only connection to Mexican

2045
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 2: history that we have here on Syncle Domester. Not not

2046
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: that that's a Mexican national holiday that they take it.

2047
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: It is in boxing. It is in boxing, it.

2048
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 3: Is It's not their actual Mexican holiday, but it is

2049
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 3: in boxing.

2050
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 2: For young white women, it's their holiday. Okay, there's no

2051
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 2: question about that.

2052
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, or forty five year old watch dads in

2053
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: Vegas doing live show.

2054
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 2: Let's see why I'm Skull working out here. I mean,

2055
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 2: his body is a wonderland. Shout out to the guy.

2056
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,879
Speaker 3: He looks like a fucking tank. But don't be deceived.

2057
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: He's not good.

2058
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't have power. He is nineteen in zero overall,

2059
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: and here's Skull talking about wanting to shock the world,

2060
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: which is exactly what he needs to do.

2061
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 15: Most of the time they have Undermian coming like the underdog.

2062
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 15: So he said, the same time, it's a great feeling,

2063
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 15: you know, because people is not expecting I love from

2064
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 15: you and then you choke the war and then you

2065
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 15: show who you are.

2066
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Though, he's been the mandatory for

2067
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 2: three years and he has constantly taken step aside money

2068
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: to take instead Colt McCoy money, six or eight rounders.

2069
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: You know, he fought Sean hamp Hill, who's an American

2070
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 2: journeyman who was on the showbox level. He fought him

2071
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: on a Canelo under card to take step aside money.

2072
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: This is his moment. He's waited, he's put he's put

2073
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: his career on hold. He's been fighting mostly nobody's but

2074
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't even have like recutable wins before that. Like

2075
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 2: the fact that he even can become number one in

2076
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 2: a sanctioning body for not even beaten anybody is the

2077
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 2: other side of how boxing alphabet works. Like you know

2078
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 2: what's going on.

2079
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 3: Two best ways to get money in sports be a

2080
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 3: backup QB behind a franchise quarterback. It's like Colt McCoy money.

2081
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 3: He wasn't he didn't have a franchise guy in front

2082
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 3: of him, but still or that step aside money. Just

2083
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 3: keep taking that step aside money, dude. You can get

2084
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 3: rich doing that shit.

2085
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2086
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 2: Well, Sunday Night in a way is good and ewa

2087
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 2: in a way, the Monster is going to defend the

2088
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 2: undisputed one hundred and twenty two pound title against Ramon Cardenas. Look,

2089
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: I covered Ramon, he fought in Showbox in the past,

2090
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: He's from San Antonio, He's got legit power for this division.

2091
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: But this is a monster step up opportunity. And the

2092
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: unfortunate part is you feel like he only got selected

2093
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: because he's Mexican American and we're doing this fight on

2094
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 2: single to my weekend in Las Vegas. But it kind

2095
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 2: of spoils in a way's return to the US, which

2096
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a big exciting deal. I'm not

2097
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 2: gonna say that the card is gonna be awful, but

2098
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 2: in new way's a bit bigger betting favorite than even Canelo.

2099
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: But Luke, I actually think Cardinals has a better shot

2100
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 2: in this than Skull does against Canelo. Skull is not

2101
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: gonna throw a lot. Canelo is gonna break him down

2102
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: to the body and probably stop him midway. Now, cardin

2103
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,560
Speaker 2: US might not even make it through four rounds for

2104
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 2: all we know, especially if he fights aggressively. But is

2105
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 2: there any redemptive thing about like, I'm shocked that they're

2106
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: doing this. I know that in a way wanted to

2107
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 2: stay busy and this just fit in on the time

2108
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 2: on the calendar. I'm shocked that they would put it

2109
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 2: on Sunday night, on an already loaded weekend at ten

2110
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 2: pm Eastern against an opponent that's not going to move

2111
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: the needle again again. Maybe that was the only chance

2112
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 2: it was gonna work because he's in a new way. He's

2113
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: supposed to be going to Saudi Arabia later in the year.

2114
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: He wants to fight twice more. He wants Na Katani,

2115
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: maybe MJ my Akuadaliev.

2116
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Dude, here's here's my view on this.

2117
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 3: The way that that John Ryder fight went and who

2118
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 3: was the also Canelo at the hard Rock Stadium What's

2119
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 3: what's the name of the hard Rock Stadium?

2120
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 2: And Billy Joe Soners in South Florida. No, but he

2121
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,879
Speaker 2: had a he also had a tune up a mandatory

2122
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 2: defense and he.

2123
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 3: Came out with j Balvin and it was the whole thing.

2124
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 3: My view on this is, if you're a big megastar

2125
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 3: in boxing or a pound for pound guy, one of

2126
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 3: the two or both, and you have to take a mandatory.

2127
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Make it a fucking show. Make it a fucking show,

2128
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: this whole.

2129
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 3: Thing that we're doing in in Saudi Arabia or in

2130
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 3: case of the inn a way, what venue is he

2131
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 3: competing in?

2132
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 8: Uh?

2133
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 2: The the venue at riadd Season in Saudi Arabia that

2134
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 2: has six.

2135
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 1: No no no no no.

2136
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: The in a way, I think it's T Mobile? Can

2137
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: he feel Team Mobile?

2138
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 6: Long?

2139
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't look is it T Mobile?

2140
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 4: I'll check.

2141
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of good cards. It's basically

2142
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 2: like a pretty good regular ESPN top right, that's right,

2143
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 2: like Rafael Espino's and the Colemane. Some good prospects one

2144
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Speaker 2: of the Argus brothers on the take.

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01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 3: A fighter to their a place where it's either their

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Speaker 3: hometown or their hometown fans are reliable to be so

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01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 3: for Canelo, that could be a lot of places. He

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Speaker 3: is a global superstar. But you know, Miami makes sense

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Speaker 3: for a lot of reasons. Vegas makes sense. Gaud lehr,

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Speaker 3: where is it gonna be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can't wait to see what the numbers

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01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 3: look like for that one. I just cannot imagine he's

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Speaker 3: going to sell big there. But you get my point,

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01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 3: Like we're doing these things in weird ways to accommodate

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, Cardenas has a much better shot

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Speaker 3: than Skull, but Skull has basically no shot, so that's

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Speaker 3: not really saying a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: And in Canello it felt like he's been going through

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Speaker 2: the motions and all the interviews. He is going through

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01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 2: the no, no, no. This is a great opportunity for

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Speaker 2: Mexican fighters, because if I show everybody that I can

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Speaker 2: fighter all all around the world, then Mexican fighters can

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Speaker 2: believe that they can do the same. Like that's that's

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01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: that's the fuck are we talking about. He's turning about money.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's talking about, and maybe he deserves it, Luke,

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Speaker 2: maybe we should shut the f up. But you're still

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01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 2: going to be that guy, and you're still going to

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Speaker 2: carry yourself as that guy. Fight the guys. I mean,

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01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 2: I love the Crawford fight, but I'd almost rather rematchin

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01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: Bevall or fight Benevitez, or fight Morell or fight like.

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Speaker 3: Or fight Skull, but fight Skull in I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Mexico City or you know Miami again, or you know

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Speaker 3: something something where there's a show everyone can kind of

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Speaker 3: get into it. It's a fun it's a you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a it's festive. Nothing about fight week with Canelo.

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Speaker 3: This week it's the opposite of festive. It feels almost

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Speaker 3: afterthought ish, yeah, but quite literally distant, you know, it

2180
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Speaker 3: doesn't feel anything.

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01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 2: The Saturday pay per view with Canela will have Haimimongia

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01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: rematching Bruno who of the year Faad Jagba in a

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Speaker 3: So did you see them getting after each other? I

2185
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 3: did not, but that's pretty awesome they had. They were

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Speaker 3: talking greasy to each other at the press, and that's

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Speaker 3: going to be a fun fight, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And I also like they've got that young the Mexican

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Speaker 2: olympian who signed to Canelo. Canelo's manager and trainer, Eddie

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Speaker 2: Renoso signed him. I don't know his name, Marco I

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01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: think is his name. I forgot the last name. But

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01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 2: he's debuting on there as well. So there's some things

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Speaker 2: to look out for. But of like the fights that

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Speaker 2: really mattered this weekend, my focus is the most on

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Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia because I think he's the biggest story and

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Speaker 2: I love really too, and I think that's going to

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Speaker 2: be explosive fight. Of all the fights this weekend, what

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Speaker 2: is your focus on the most Lopez Lopez?

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Speaker 1: That fight is very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Lopez Lopez can either really hurt his stock or become

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Speaker 3: Third title defense at one forty. He's trying here, let's go,

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Speaker 2: Used to play for the Raptors.

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Speaker 2: He just keeps showing up at the top spot.

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Speaker 1: Just there and walk on in. That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Real quick, breaking news. Greg Popovich is leaving the Spurs

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Speaker 3: as a coach. That's interesting, winning as coach in NBA history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we go.

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Speaker 2: We also have breaking news. I meant to open the

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Speaker 2: show with it real quick, but I did want to

2269
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Speaker 2: hit you up with it. Ilia Taporia has gone public

2270
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Speaker 2: in a video in Spanish confirming the rumors that Inariojwani

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01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 2: has been ahead of this, that he will be fighting

2272
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 2: at UFC three seventeen International Fight Week. We don't know

2273
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Speaker 2: if it's Mayn or Coleman. You would assume Man, given

2274
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Speaker 2: his star power and what we don't know. Will it

2275
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 2: be for the lightweight title against Islam Madchev or will

2276
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 2: it be an interim lightweight title opportunity, maybe even a

2277
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: vacant I don't know, against someone like Charles olivera Armant Sarukian.

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01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: Just engage you. I mean, there's some names out there.

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01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, I'm very happy that that level of star

2280
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 2: power in terms of carrying the story forward, will be there.

2281
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 2: Do you think the uncertainty and the lack of an

2282
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 2: announcement so close have everything to do with what will

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01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 2: happen next Saturday. First, Yes, UFC three fifteen of Montreal,

2284
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 2: when JDM challenges Blah Muhammad for the title and the

2285
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 2: idea that Islam could be moving up, should his buddy

2286
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Speaker 2: Bla lose?

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01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's the entire conversation. I have nothing

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01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 3: else to say about it except that is exactly what

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Speaker 3: they are waiting.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll have this to say about it. I

2291
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: think we all want Islam, right, I mean, that's the

2292
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: best fight you can make in the sport. But if

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01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:45,839
Speaker 2: it's not what you want for him, that's sexy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is Charlie and I think Taporia Wrexham.

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01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Wow, what about Saryukian? Do they save that?

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. I don't know about that one.

2297
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they make that one, so you can

2298
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 3: would have chirped up already.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to be better than Mahajev,

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01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 2: like anybody will be better than Gaichi Machi.

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01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, I agree with that.

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01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I did talk to Billa last night. It'll be on

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01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 2: the Brian Campbell Experience today and he said he is

2304
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 2: with the rumors are true, he is willing to move

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01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 2: up to middleweight and face Hamzat for an interim title

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01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 2: if necessary, and ye, and is willing to give Islam

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Speaker 2: a chance at.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Musical chairs being played on the Titanic deck that

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01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: is t Ko's UFC. The only thing is as they're

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01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 2: going down into the water, they're catching more and more checks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't quite get it all right.

2313
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,679
Speaker 2: Topic number four, Hey, how about this former UFC fighter

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01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 2: Jeff Molina was of course embroiled in the betting scandal.

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Speaker 2: Remember coach James Cross Derek min are involved as well.

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01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: That would lead all three of them right to be

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01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: black sheep removed from the UFC, suspended and really what

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01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: you thought would be a huge casualty to whoever would

2319
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: violate UFC's current era of embracing sports betting, of having

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Speaker 2: DraftKings of a sponsor and all of that. But this

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Speaker 2: week it was announced by BKFC that the promotion was

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01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 2: going to sign Jeff Molina, which led to Molina appearing

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Speaker 2: on the Ariel Hawane Show. But after that interview aired,

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Speaker 2: it was an announcement from BKFC that the signing was

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Speaker 2: actually premature. Why because molina suspension doesn't actually end until November.

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01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 2: BKFC would tweet yesterday's announcement regarding Jeff mollina signing was premature.

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01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 2: We respect the ABC's current suspension and will honor their

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Speaker 2: rules and suspensions. So, Luke, let's just start right here.

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Speaker 2: Should BKFC have signed and shown public interest in Molina

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Speaker 2: when he's still suspended and we're so close to the

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Speaker 2: can't miss toxicity that came out of that betting scandal.

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Speaker 3: I saw people saying he should be banned for life, which, well,

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Speaker 3: can we hear what Molina?

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Speaker 1: Can we hear his side of the story?

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Speaker 2: Side of the story? First, let's hit it.

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Speaker 10: How long have you been betting on Mma?

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Speaker 8: and kill it in the UFC. It's been my goal

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Speaker 8: Bonus, I was able to quit my job. But so

2355
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 8: I had that debut in April, and then I ended

2356
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 8: up quitting my job. I think late July, early August

2357
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 8: around then. But I was freaking out.

2358
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: Man.

2359
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 8: I was like, I was scared to quit my job,

2360
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 8: but I knew it needed to be done. I knew

2361
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 8: I needed to be able to I was training full time,

2362
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 8: but it's tough when you're getting off from practice and

2363
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 8: then you're going to work and then you're waking up

2364
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 8: six hours later don't want to run and practice again.

2365
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 8: So it's just a lot easier if your full time

2366
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 8: gig is fighting, especially at this level. But I was

2367
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 8: terrified to quit my job. So I went to my

2368
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 8: coach at the time, James Kraus, and I was like, Hey,

2369
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 8: I think it's time I quit, but I'm fucking scared

2370
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,559
Speaker 8: that I'm gonna tear my ACL next week during practice

2371
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 8: and then you know, I'm shit out of the luck

2372
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 8: that there's no way to make money. And at that

2373
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 8: time he was like, dude, don't worry. We He was like,

2374
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 8: there's ways to make money, and I got just betting

2375
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 8: on MMA August of twenty twenty one. It started off

2376
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 8: with like a WhatsApp group chat with like four or

2377
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 8: five people. And if you know kraus uh, he's one

2378
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 8: hell of a coach man. That's what sucks with all

2379
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 8: this is that his legacy is like forever been tarnished.

2380
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 8: But ask any fighter that's been trained under James like

2381
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 8: he would have went down. I think he would have

2382
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 8: been like the first Hall of Famer coach, Like he

2383
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 8: was that fucking good. So obviously a mastermind of the

2384
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 8: sport could break down the fights very well. And you know,

2385
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 8: it started with just making a couple extra hundred bucks

2386
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 8: a month, you know, which helped for a guy that

2387
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 8: wasn't working a job and training full time.

2388
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 10: Did you ever bet on your own fights?

2389
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 1: No?

2390
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 8: No? Uh my second fight in the UFC, I thought

2391
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 8: about it, but I was like, I got so much

2392
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 8: shit to worry about. Man, Uh you know, yeah, No,

2393
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 8: never bet on myself.

2394
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,560
Speaker 10: Did you ever bet on your teammates fights?

2395
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

2396
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 10: Did you ever bet against them?

2397
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yeah, But it was never like people that

2398
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 8: were We had a lot of people coming from out

2399
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 8: of town, so it was never one name comes to mind,

2400
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 8: and I don't mind saying that I bet against a

2401
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 8: former teammate and he would come across train and do

2402
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 8: like two or three weeks of his campus. It was

2403
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 8: never like, really his own base Joe Holmes, I remember

2404
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 8: betting against him. I just didn't think he looked the best. Yeah,

2405
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 8: but that was my own personal decision there was.

2406
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, But was there ever a scenario where you knew

2407
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 10: that someone was hurt? I'm not talking about Derek Minner here,

2408
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 10: where you like saw someone like twist a knee and

2409
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 10: you're like, oh, this guy's gonna get smoked, so let

2410
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 10: me bet against them.

2411
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,839
Speaker 1: No, No, okay, all right.

2412
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 2: Pretty damning stuff here.

2413
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 3: Let's bring along is Luke because I feel like of

2414
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 3: anybody who would have a sense of things here, like

2415
01:46:57,680 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 3: there's a right way and a wrong way to bet,

2416
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 3: right and I feel like Long Island Luke does it

2417
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,919
Speaker 3: the right way, and we should be clear.

2418
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 2: Like, you know, we should ask his girlfriend if that's.

2419
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: Long Island Luke as somebody who tries to bet the right.

2420
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 3: Way, as best we can tell. What do you feel

2421
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 3: about what Jeff Molina is saying here?

2422
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 4: I mean, he's obviously in the wrong.

2423
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 5: If the UFC tells you you can't bet on fights anymore,

2424
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 5: and then he continued to bet on fights, that's obviously wrong.

2425
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 4: But it's not like.

2426
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: It's almost should he be banned for life?

2427
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 5: No, I know one hundred percent disagree with that. I

2428
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 5: think the UFC needed to set an example with him,

2429
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 5: so I don't disagree with them whatsoever saying you're done.

2430
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 5: It's almost like a Paul Daily situation. You're our example,

2431
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 5: will get him out of here. But now he totally

2432
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 5: fine if he pops up in PFL, I don't care.

2433
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm at. I don't really care

2434
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 3: if he comes out with BKFC. Now there is the

2435
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 3: question of the timing of it all, and I think

2436
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of an issue because he's still

2437
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 3: suspended through what November.

2438
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's shrow that tweet there from Nolan King about

2439
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: the actual breakdown. Jeff Molina has been suspended thirty six

2440
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: months by the Nevada Commission for failing to disclose Derek

2441
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 2: Minner's injury and knowingly placing a significant bet on that injury.

2442
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 2: It's retroactive and will terminate November fifth of this year.

2443
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 2: That's bad. I mean, look, I think there's a couple

2444
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 2: sins at once. Like one, if the UFC says no

2445
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 2: betting because of obvious reasons as an active fighter, then

2446
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 2: it should be no betting as an active fighter. But

2447
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 2: I get I get that even within that it's a

2448
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: little bit of a gray area. But when you add

2449
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:32,759
Speaker 2: on his admittance that I've bet on or against fighters

2450
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 2: that I'm training with and you're using inside trading, I mean,

2451
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 2: that's like it's it's the same reason why me, as

2452
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 2: a CBS sports writer can't go apply for Survivor on

2453
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 2: CBS and win a million dollars. Right It's considered a

2454
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 2: major conflict of interest. So right there, he sealed his

2455
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 2: fate with UFC at the worst possible time, and he's

2456
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 2: been admitting it too here and along with being caught.

2457
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 2: So to me, the question isn't what is the proper

2458
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 2: suspension from the UFC. The question is should he be

2459
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 2: allowed to fight elsewhere in the sport? I mean, should

2460
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 2: you lose everything for one mistake in this situation like that?

2461
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 3: I don't think so now as me personally, I know

2462
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 3: other people disagree. There is a range of opinions on this.

2463
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 3: To me, it does not strike It does not strike

2464
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 3: me as the nuclear option kind of scenario. It strikes

2465
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 3: me as bad. I mean, I don't think anyone thinks

2466
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 3: it's good. It's bad. It's quite bad. It just doesn't

2467
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,640
Speaker 3: strike me as I mean dud. I say this all

2468
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 3: the time. If you can't fist fight another guy for

2469
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 3: money in this country, I'm not really not sure what

2470
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 3: you can do. It's like one of those things where

2471
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 3: the government has a compelling interest in regulating it. But

2472
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,280
Speaker 3: there should be a low barrier to be not to

2473
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 3: be in the UFC, but to be able to be

2474
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 3: an active combat sports participating.

2475
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: Tommy Morrison took an MMA fight under mixed rules on

2476
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 2: a Native American grounds when he had HIV.

2477
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that's a little different. That's regulatory shopping.

2478
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 2: Saying everybody finds an opportunity to fistfight in some form

2479
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:07,520
Speaker 2: under every circumstance.

2480
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but BKFC is a bigger brandy. They put out

2481
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 3: a statement. If we have it, let's take a look

2482
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 3: at it.

2483
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 2: We read it already. Did we put the graphic up?

2484
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we even read it out loud. We did. Yeah,

2485
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 2: it was when you were on your laptop.

2486
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.

2487
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 3: Yesterdays announcement regarding Jeff Moline, the signing was premature. We

2488
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 3: respect the ABC's current suspension and will honor their rules

2489
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 3: and suspensions.

2490
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: There you go.

2491
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 2: You remember earlier on the show when you took your

2492
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:27,519
Speaker 2: thing out and you're all inching it. We're like, Luke,

2493
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 2: that's not really appropriate right here.

2494
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 3: That sometimes when duty calls, you just gotta anyway, you

2495
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 3: get the idea. I don't mind BKFC signing him, I

2496
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 3: really don't. I think it's a different sport too. It is,

2497
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 3: and that label shouldn't go away like he did it.

2498
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 3: He admitted to it. It ain't right, It ain't good.

2499
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean, is there is there like is the there's

2500
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: the gray area. The fact that sports betting is so

2501
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 2: prevalent and people like Connor McGregor are constantly posting their betting,

2502
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, wins and losses. But is he not even

2503
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 2: an active I want.

2504
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 3: To bring that up if I may. Here's the thing

2505
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 3: that I just don't understand about all of this. If

2506
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 3: people want to crucify Jeff Molina again, there's a debate

2507
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 3: about it, and I do understand that there is at

2508
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 3: least an argument for a lifetime ban. To me, it's

2509
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 3: not the most convincing argument, but there's a one that exists.

2510
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 3: This comes to us from ESPN. Mark Ramondi shouts to

2511
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 3: Mark Ramundi, January of twenty twenty three BC. This of course,

2512
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 3: is all in the fallout of the whole James Croud scenario.

2513
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 2: Quote.

2514
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:25,160
Speaker 3: UFC Chief Business Officer Hunter Campbell wrote to fighters and

2515
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:28,520
Speaker 3: teams in a memo Thursday that the promotion quote expressly

2516
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 3: prohibits end quote UFC fighters from betting on UFC fights

2517
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 3: themselves or through a proxy. UFC insiders, which is a

2518
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 3: designation that includes coaches, managers, handlers, athletic trainers, and quote

2519
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 3: other individuals affiliated with the athletes of the UFC end

2520
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 3: quote are also prohibited from wagering on UFC fights. Disciplinary

2521
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 3: action would be taken against the UFC contract athletes if

2522
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,879
Speaker 3: the insiders were to violate the rule. Campbell also added

2523
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 3: that is the UFC's expectation that any fighter who has

2524
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 3: knowledge of a violation of these restrictions will immediately notify

2525
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 3: the UFC Long Island Luke, how can that be the

2526
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 3: rule that they put in place? And Connor McGregor is

2527
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 3: tweeting about putting five hundred k bets on Michael Chandler's fights,

2528
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 3: it seems like a direct violation.

2529
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we get into the hole that they're

2530
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 5: technically independent contractors, so like there you go, I'm in

2531
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 5: between bouts or in between like am I an employee.

2532
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 4: Of the UFC? No, the whole thing is a gray area.

2533
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 5: Also, I want to talk about pre that tweet from

2534
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:30,400
Speaker 5: Ramondi justin Jane's Extreme Cauture fighter publicly said before his

2535
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 5: final bout on his contract that hetled himself.

2536
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 4: His entire purse on himself.

2537
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 2: Maybe they used to do that.

2538
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 5: Unfortunately lost that fight, but that I feel like shit

2539
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 5: like that going public was part of the prompt of like,

2540
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 5: oh we should probably.

2541
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 1: So here's my point.

2542
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 3: It seems like there was a big wave to the

2543
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 3: point you guys raised to like clamp down on this stuff. Fine,

2544
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it, but I just

2545
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 3: can't tell what is or isn't being enforced at this point.

2546
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 3: And if that's the world we're living in, why should

2547
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 3: Jeff Bilina have a lifetime ban under this new whatever

2548
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 3: we're in.

2549
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 2: And what do you add into that the culture of

2550
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 2: where we're at in modern UFC, which is everything about

2551
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 2: free speech, everything about why are we going to discipline

2552
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor for the Dolly incident? He paid enough fines

2553
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 2: to the New York you know, court system commission. That's

2554
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 2: a commission issue. I still think it's such a like

2555
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 2: if you have insider secrets, whether you're a trainer, whether

2556
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 2: you're UFC manage And if UFC matchmakers got called betting

2557
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 2: on fights that they matched, you know, yeah, they kind

2558
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 2: of you know, like, I think it's separate when a

2559
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: fighter is betting on themselves. If we found out fighters

2560
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 2: were betting against themselves like that, I think that's unforgivable.

2561
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 2: So if you're going to be banned for life from

2562
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 2: a certain promotion or job, I'm I get that. I

2563
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 2: get that it breaks the sanctity of what you're trying

2564
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 2: to offer, and there's too much at risk with the

2565
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 2: drafting sponsorship and with betting being where it is, and

2566
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: betting is such a big part of the UFC ratings.

2567
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 2: If you really think about it, then I'm okay with that.

2568
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 2: I think the bigger question is should it be okay

2569
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 2: that they work elsewhere? Should James Krause be allowed to

2570
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 2: carry out his craft moving forward the rest of his life?

2571
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 3: And I would need more information about exactly what he

2572
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 3: did or didn't do. I think some of that is still.

2573
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 3: There hasn't been a full report about some of these matters,

2574
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 3: so it's a lot of like Molina is able to

2575
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 3: go public this time, so we have some information at

2576
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 3: least in terms of what he's telling us.

2577
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 1: Krause hasn't said a word, really should we?

2578
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 2: Is it okay if BKFC just waits for the suspension

2579
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 2: to end, and then I'm.

2580
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: Okay with it. I'm okay with it now.

2581
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 3: Obviously, if Molina does something sketchy again, well then you

2582
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 3: just simply cannot trust him anymore. But if this was

2583
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 3: a true learning experience and he can live on the

2584
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 3: straight and narrow reasonably speaking, you know fine. I want

2585
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 3: to say again, I don't think there's a single thing

2586
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 3: wrong with sports betting, particularly in combat sports. Combat sports

2587
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 3: and betting go hand in hand. The New York Commission

2588
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 3: was created in the early part of the twentieth century

2589
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 3: to get a hold of some of these things. They're

2590
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 3: just part and parcel. But there's a right way to

2591
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 3: do it, and there's a wrong way to do it.

2592
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 3: And we always always encourage people who listen to this

2593
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 3: show or watch it, you gotta bet the right way.

2594
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed that's true. At the end of the day,

2595
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 2: I feel bad for Molina, but also like knew what

2596
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 2: he was doing, right. I don't think these guys sometimes

2597
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 2: absorbed the seriousness of it. He just admitted on Aeriel's

2598
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 2: show that I bet with knowledge that I got from

2599
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 2: there at that time.

2600
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: What kind of infraction did he think that that was?

2601
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 2: Well, he would have to know if he signed a

2602
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 2: paper from the UFC saying you as fighters were not

2603
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 2: going to allow you to bet.

2604
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 3: But that wasn't until this is twenty twenty one we're

2605
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 3: talking about here. Oh, so that was it was pre

2606
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 3: it was prey.

2607
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 2: So is this the same debate as like you can

2608
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: get on Maguire for using the Royds, but all that

2609
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 2: stuff was legal for most of his career.

2610
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 3: But it feels to me, it feels to me like

2611
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 3: the TRT thing again, where these guys were getting commission

2612
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 3: approval to do it, but that whole thing had been

2613
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 3: gained to an absurd degree that it just became untenable.

2614
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: Dude, this has gone away so quickly, this story. Yeah,

2615
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 2: to UFC and TKO's credit, because it could have been

2616
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 2: a very potent bombshell. The top thing they got on

2617
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 2: top of him, I mean, worse than Dana's you know

2618
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 2: mishap of slapping his wife. Like that thing just went away,

2619
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 2: and it's like it never.

2620
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Held a board of meta.

2621
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 2: There you go, right, also right, that was topic number

2622
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 2: and topic number five about looking at the PFL. They

2623
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 2: had their I believe it was their fourth tournament card

2624
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 2: on Thursday night that went down in Orlando, of course,

2625
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 2: and I thought it was a very entertaining card top

2626
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 2: to bottom. Shout out to PFL. There were a lot

2627
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 2: of issues though, Luke the lights went out during one fight.

2628
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 2: It was an egregious amount of fouling. But that's modern

2629
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 2: day mma, not.

2630
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,880
Speaker 3: Struck to the piers, no such thing as fouling there

2631
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 3: are just certain things you can do at certain times

2632
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 3: and that's it.

2633
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think PFL is going and obviously

2634
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 2: so as UFC and TKO, but they're going so gratuitous

2635
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 2: on let's put an ad on every piece of the screen,

2636
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 2: on every piece of the canvas, and everything we do

2637
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 2: is sponsored by a different sponsor, which is a weird time.

2638
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 2: If you read, if you read Zack Arnold's piece on

2639
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: the NIM draw this week that suggests PFL currently has

2640
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 2: lawsuits against five major sponsors that haven't paid. But notwithstanding,

2641
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the show on Thursday night. They even had

2642
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 2: who was in the crowd chanting the fighter's name, so

2643
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 2: it almost had like that college basketball, small arena build

2644
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 2: to it. But in the end, in the main event,

2645
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 2: light heavyweight Phil Davis came back from a two year break.

2646
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 2: He had not fought in the PF Eleator World before,

2647
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 2: after that long run in Belator, after the long run

2648
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 2: in the UFC, and at forty years old, he gave

2649
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 2: it to Rob Wilkinson, who two years ago was a

2650
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 2: champion at two hundred and five pounds for PFL. It

2651
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 2: goes down as a second round stoppage. It was a

2652
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 2: beautiful right hand that dropped him and then Davis jumped

2653
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 2: on and quickly ended it and Luke. The first round

2654
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 2: was a typical Phil Davis round where you're like, just

2655
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 2: not trying enough offensively, just not doing enough, even though

2656
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 2: he sound in every way and he's in great shape always.

2657
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 2: But when his corner challenged him at the end of

2658
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:40,400
Speaker 2: round one, he went in there and did the thing.

2659
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 2: It's like, we could have been doing this for the

2660
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 2: past decade, Phil, come on.

2661
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 3: So weird to see what's happened with Phil Davis. Not

2662
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 3: that he, by the way, forty years old, look great

2663
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 3: first team all body, let's just be very clear about that.

2664
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 3: But you know, by the way, national champion out of

2665
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 3: Penn State. You know I called one of Phil Davis's

2666
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 3: fights back in the day, that's my warrior challenge.

2667
01:57:58,480 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, when he.

2668
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 3: Fought Terry t X Cohens and beat the fuck out

2669
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 3: of him, I called that fight.

2670
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I was. You know, this is a long time ago.

2671
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 3: Phil Davis, for folks who don't remember, had a lot

2672
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 3: of hype coming out of college because he was a

2673
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 3: national division Division one national champion and when he was

2674
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 3: at UFC, when when John Jones fought Glover to share

2675
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 3: it in Baltimore. That was the night that was the

2676
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 3: same one of Anthony Rumbel. Johnson was kind of coming

2677
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 3: back from World Series of Fighting and fighting Phil Davis,

2678
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 3: who had been on a great wind streak, and we.

2679
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:28,800
Speaker 1: Didn't really know what to expect.

2680
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 3: We kind of thought, well, maybe Phil will come back,

2681
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 3: and you know, Phil will will really shine here. And

2682
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 3: it was actually Rumble who surprised him, but he was

2683
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 3: you know, there was a moment where John was supposed

2684
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:42,520
Speaker 3: to face off with Glover and then Phil got in

2685
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 3: the way, and so Phil kind of faced off with him,

2686
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 3: and I remember John being like, you better worry about

2687
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 3: Rumble first, and he was right. He you know, give

2688
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 3: John his credit, he was right about that. But the

2689
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 3: one I wanted to make is when he went to Bellatore.

2690
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 3: They also did a huge media push with him.

2691
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like a fake presidential role.

2692
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 3: But the last few years a pre pandemic even but

2693
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 3: certainly since then he has been quiet as a church mouse.

2694
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a single interview that he's done nothing.

2695
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,640
Speaker 3: He just fell off the face of the earth. And

2696
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 3: then to the point you raised was off for two years,

2697
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 3: he comes back and gets maybe the best win he's

2698
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 3: had in I don't know, six years something like that.

2699
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 3: By the way, another win over a bellator guy over

2700
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,000
Speaker 3: a PFL guy. Just pointing that out both UFC veterans.

2701
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 2: THO.

2702
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, what a win for Phil Davis. What a weird

2703
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 3: story he's had. But I gotta say, this was a

2704
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 3: Phil in beltour. We called someone, you know, we were

2705
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 3: covering it together for showtime at the time, and they

2706
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 3: were dreadful.

2707
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: They were fucking dreadful. This was not He looked pretty good.

2708
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 3: Here and you even for him. It did, It did,

2709
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 3: and he looked so thrilled about it too.

2710
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 2: So in that light heavyweight bracket he advances to the

2711
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 2: semi finals. He'll face former Belator fighter Sullivan Cawley, who

2712
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 2: on the undercard needed less than a round to take

2713
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 2: out Easy Policy by first round TK.

2714
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 3: But his team is going to uh, they're going to

2715
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 3: fight the result there and they think those shots were illegal.

2716
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I like that matchup potentially, And on the

2717
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 2: flip side, I really like what we saw in the

2718
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 2: UFC VET Screwface. It's it's shoeface from Mark for Death

2719
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 2: with Steven Sadel the.

2720
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 3: Series of Illegal Needs in this fight that did not

2721
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:20,360
Speaker 3: get it was illegal.

2722
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,080
Speaker 2: Everything on this card there was like there were either

2723
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,560
Speaker 2: were crazy amounts of cheating going on in this card.

2724
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 2: It was crazy. I remember they went to replay in

2725
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 2: this fight and then the referee was like, yeah, replay

2726
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 2: is not working, so we're just gonna warn Yeah, that's right. Anyway.

2727
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 2: Shoeface Antonio Carlos Junior, who is ripped and a former

2728
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 2: PFL tournament season champion, takes home a split decision twenty

2729
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 2: nine to twenty eight on two score cards against Carl Moore,

2730
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 2: who fought for a Bellator title in his last fight. Luke,

2731
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 2: it wasn't the best performance from Carlos, but I'm glad

2732
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 2: that he got the nod because I thought he did enough,

2733
02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 2: even though the announcers were kind of expecting that more

2734
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 2: would get the decision. We end up with Phil Davis

2735
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:00,160
Speaker 2: versus Shoe.

2736
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 1: At the end.

2737
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be mad at that. Shoeface will

2738
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:05,360
Speaker 2: have to fight the other side of that bracket, which

2739
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:08,760
Speaker 2: was Sammy and Powell, who had a very good finish

2740
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 2: over Carl Aprickson, and in the second round he just

2741
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 2: exploded and became violent. So I have to say, is

2742
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 2: this super high profile? Is there tons of steaks? No,

2743
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 2: we actually don't even really know what's at stake in

2744
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 2: these tournaments. You get half the money you used to.

2745
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 2: You become a number one contender in the Champion Series,

2746
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,600
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that counts you as a

2747
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 2: PFO TA imagine if every one of these was headlined

2748
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 2: by like Apache Mix or Yeah, I don't guess. I

2749
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 2: still don't get it, but I enjoyed the fights. I

2750
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 2: kind of like where they're going. Shoe Face seems a

2751
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,560
Speaker 2: little reinvented over all of us few years. This was

2752
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,320
Speaker 2: kind of a plus this main Cardwell, getting that stop.

2753
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 3: To me, it's not I keep saying this to people.

2754
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 3: It's really not a question of does the PFL have

2755
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 3: good fighters. They they've got really good fighters.

2756
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 2: They just don't feature their best fighters in the spots

2757
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:57,560
Speaker 2: that they.

2758
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Spots that matter. Just fucking blows my mind.

2759
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 3: But yes, like there's quality up and down this roster,

2760
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 3: and if you tune into a PFL card, there's a

2761
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:08,600
Speaker 3: good chance you're gonna see some good fights.

2762
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:13,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely comin event was former Belator interim heavyweight champion Valentin Moldovsky,

2763
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:15,880
Speaker 2: who is trained, of course by Vadim Nemkov. He took

2764
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 2: on fellow Russian Sergei Bilo Stenni. Yeah, Luke, that was

2765
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 2: a wild fight. Did you see the end of the

2766
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 2: second round when they were rock em sock him, hurting

2767
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:27,080
Speaker 2: each other back in the uncle Randy Cooter was losing

2768
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 2: his shit, hoping that there's grass on the field next

2769
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 2: time he checks out those nudes. But Valentine would get

2770
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 2: a close unanimous decision win. And dude, you know who

2771
02:02:37,720 --> 02:02:42,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna fight. I'm down for this Moldovian hulk Alexander

2772
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 2: Romanov who has completely given up the fitness fight but

2773
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 2: still has to cut down to two sixty five and

2774
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 2: the free chered prelim he took on Timothy Johnson submitted

2775
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,200
Speaker 2: the shit out of him in a first round submission.

2776
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 2: So again, this isn't like musty TV. But at the

2777
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 2: same time, Fat Moldov or Moldovski against Fat Romanov, Like,

2778
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm in on this, dude.

2779
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say it's blowing my skirt up.

2780
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,879
Speaker 2: But do you see did you see Fat Romanov celebrate

2781
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 2: and he was like just just like moves, jumping around

2782
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 2: and rolls and he's like brother.

2783
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 3: His he's got you know, he's got done lap disease.

2784
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 3: Have you heard about that? No, his gut's done lapped

2785
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 3: over his belt.

2786
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oleg pop Off got a disputed split decision win

2787
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 2: at heavyweight over Carl Williams on the undercard to advance,

2788
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 2: and Nacimento a split decision went over Abraham Babbel Babble Baby.

2789
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,440
Speaker 2: I didn't see this fight, father Abraham. I watched the

2790
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 2: main CARDA then had many sons, Luke, I want to

2791
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:48,080
Speaker 2: say good things about the PFL. I want them to just

2792
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 2: give us the reason them putting Jonathan Coschman in the

2793
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:55,000
Speaker 2: postfight press cart in the way that he answered questions

2794
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 2: and tried to spin it forward and was like, look,

2795
02:03:56,640 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 2: we're not gonna harp on the negative. That's a much

2796
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 2: better change. Getting down, sorry, straight up, getting down off

2797
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 2: the TV is a much better change.

2798
02:04:06,360 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't disagree. I think it's a good role for coach.

2799
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,280
Speaker 3: I think he leans into it quite well. I think

2800
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 3: it helps him. But but you know, once again, why

2801
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:18,120
Speaker 3: didn't we see patchy mix the last month. Oh, we're

2802
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 3: gonna save him for the Champion Series. You could use

2803
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:20,840
Speaker 3: them both times.

2804
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,480
Speaker 2: Why did you not build their own air in Pico.

2805
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,000
Speaker 2: You could use them both times. Look are they gonna be?

2806
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:28,480
Speaker 2: That honest question as we stand right now May second,

2807
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, on the tenth year.

2808
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 3: Anniversar, fifth month of the year, and we haven't seen

2809
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 3: a single except for Ousman and Paul Hughes, and.

2810
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:37,800
Speaker 2: They took two months off, by the way, after that.

2811
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,520
Speaker 2: Will we see PFL in twenty six? It's a real

2812
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:42,080
Speaker 2: question right now.

2813
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty six, Yes, it's twenty seven. I can't quite tell.

2814
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's where we go. I enjoyed the last card

2815
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 2: though of this quarterfinal round. We'll see what happens in

2816
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 2: the semis as we roll on. I know they're gonna

2817
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 2: move around. They're going to Wichita. They're going uh which

2818
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 2: they should caago for the finals.

2819
02:04:56,280 --> 02:04:58,360
Speaker 3: Whichita is a great city to go to for this

2820
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:03,480
Speaker 3: kind of a product like this. Lincoln, Nebraska, Backerville, Well, Backerville.

2821
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:06,760
Speaker 2: Is the land of time forgot. But Oklahoma in general, what's.

2822
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 1: The shittiest US state?

2823
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 6: Is it?

2824
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma?

2825
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:10,240
Speaker 2: Mississippi?

2826
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 3: Mississippi is the poorest. It might be it might be Arkansas.

2827
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:15,760
Speaker 3: Arkansas is another number.

2828
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those states are barren. Oklahoma, Okay, I

2829
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 2: got robbed in Oklahoma, so you know I have less

2830
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 2: than wonderful. Also, you had two uncles that went to

2831
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. One played football, uh University of it's a

2832
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 2: famous SoundBite from documentary.

2833
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:33,720
Speaker 1: And university and the other one went to Harvard.

2834
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:36,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, deep nice deep cut there. All right, we

2835
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 2: ran over time with really not much to talk about,

2836
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:40,760
Speaker 2: and we don't have fan segments this week, but Morning

2837
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 2: Combat at gmail dot com is your email address. Let'slet's

2838
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:45,800
Speaker 2: step it up next week. Fansobs last week were fire,

2839
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:47,880
Speaker 2: So thank you very much, Thank you very much to

2840
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 2: all the fans. Thank you to Long Island Luke for

2841
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,800
Speaker 2: playing ball this week. And we'll check you out. What

2842
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday Luke on the main card minute on YouTube.

2843
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll be living about five hours for the boxing

2844
02:05:57,560 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 5: and then tomorrow night main card.

2845
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,280
Speaker 2: All right, how many bombs rips on air will you

2846
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,800
Speaker 2: deliver in one in one show?

2847
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:05,480
Speaker 4: It's usually one per fight, so you do the math.

2848
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 2: Add God, have you ever ended one of those streams

2849
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 2: like not even sure if you just said racist shit

2850
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:12,360
Speaker 2: for an hour?

2851
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 5: But it's not because of being remoking. It's usually because

2852
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 5: of the drinking. And then I'm like I probably you

2853
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 5: shouldn't be drinking.

2854
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:20,840
Speaker 2: Hey, you want to party, you want someone to hang

2855
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 2: out with? Long Islan Luke.

2856
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 3: My wife said that Margarita marijuana combination is that's that's

2857
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 3: that's all.

2858
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 2: That's a washed Dad special right there. All right, thank

2859
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 2: you to Ken the dear Daniel Snyder's nephew for helping

2860
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 2: us out. As always, it's been fun. Lt Okay, I'm

2861
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,120
Speaker 2: not leaving or dying yet, but don't you go dying

2862
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 2: on me. I'm gonna go home. And I got coverage

2863
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 2: tonight for CBS Sports of this Times Square event. I'm

2864
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. I'm looking for Turkey. Show me

2865
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 2: what you got. I'm looking forward to it.

2866
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the biggest event of the weekend.

2867
02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2868
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 2: They're claiming they have bells and whistles and surprises on

2869
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:52,920
Speaker 2: this card tonight that weve I.

2870
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 1: Might do a watch along.

2871
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm really not sure yet, but if I don't for sure,

2872
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:57,920
Speaker 3: I'm doing a watch along for the UFC tomorrow.

2873
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:04,160
Speaker 2: Final question, final topic, final part of this show. What's

2874
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 2: the deal with Bill Belichick's girlfriend? Does she already have

2875
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 2: his complete four oh one K? And should we be

2876
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:15,400
Speaker 2: as worried for his future. As for a Las Vegas

2877
02:07:15,440 --> 02:07:16,879
Speaker 2: combat sports journalists, Here's.

2878
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 1: What I'll say.

2879
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 3: As long as it's not elder abuse, I don't really care. Also,

2880
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,200
Speaker 3: can you can you imagine having to bang Bill Belichick

2881
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 3: that's really gross in one.

2882
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 2: Of those sweatshirts with the holes And you know what,

2883
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 2: I just do you think he has a pipe pole

2884
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 2: in one of those? Just so like she doesn't. Okay,

2885
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:34,480
Speaker 2: we've gone too far there it is.

2886
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 1: I think our sponsors are gonna love this conversation.

2887
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 2: Our sponsors, Hey, check us out next Wednesday. Don't forget

2888
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:42,480
Speaker 2: May fifth, Right? May fifth? No?

2889
02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: May seventh, seventh.

2890
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 2: God has been giving you the wrong date. May seventh, Wednesday,

2891
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:47,960
Speaker 2: eleven am. Pregame preview brought to you by Quervo right

2892
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 2: here for Luke Thomas on BC, for our whole staff

2893
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 2: and crew. Hey, enjoy the fights this weekend. Check out

2894
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,840
Speaker 2: our coverage. We love you. We out