1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Is on Adventures today. They call me Ben. We are 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer, Paul Mission controlled decade. 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Matt, 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: my dear, dear friends. I think at the stage we 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: can call each other old friends. I was surprised that 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know the answer to this question on your side, 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: I was. I was thinking about this off air. Have 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: you ever been to a protest? Two things. We've known 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: each other for over twelve years now, so we're definitely 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: old friends. And yes, I have attended a few protests 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: in my day, specifically here in Atlanta when the occupy 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: movement was gaining steam. They had one at a park 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: downtown that that I think did we both go to 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: down by g Su Wait? Yeah we did. Did we 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: go at the same time? I think we went separately? Okay, yeah, 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: because it was ongoing it was for multiple days. I 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: met up with some more radical people that I knew, uh, 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: just to see what was going on, and it was 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: it was an experience. Is the first time I ever 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: saw the megaphone speak that was popular, and that where 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: people like pick Up basically announced that they're going to speak, 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: and then they speak and everybody kind of repeats what 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: they're saying so everyone in the larger audience can hear. 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: It was fascinating. Yeah, it's something that that I think 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream America learned about with the occupy movement. 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 1: But there is an entire subculture of resources and techniques, 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: tools and tips used by the counter culture or used 33 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: by people protesting government's megaphone uh communication is one instance 34 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: of that. But you can find some great guides online 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: still I don't know how long they will be up 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: that will tell you about the you know, the best 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: way to avoid brutality by law enforcement or to survive 38 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: you know, tear gassing or other proud dispersal technologies yea, 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: even tips on what to wear, what your decore should 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: be like, be stylish and avoid tear gas right right right, 41 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: very much so. And recently you and I, who have 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: always been fascinated by counter culture and those things that 43 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: exist on the edges of American mainstream culture, the things 44 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: that you will never hear about on the evening news. Um. 45 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: You and I recently went to one of your favorite bookstores, 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: and in the basement, in a corner, in the basement 47 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: of this bookstore, we stumbled onto a counterculture node of 48 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: free zines, um books of works of philosophy, right, yeah, stuff, 49 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: stuff that I think I mentioned while we were down there, 50 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Like I can, I can understand why he's down here 51 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: in this corner underneath the staircase essentially and not just 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: fully on display for everyone that walks in literally and 53 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: figuratively underground. Yeah, and it was cool, but also it 54 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: felt a little dangerous. Uh, But really, it's just good 55 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: to know that that type of free press can exist still, 56 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: even if it's slightly covered in darkness, even if it 57 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: puts you on a list. But we were on a 58 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: list a long time ago. That ship is sailed. So 59 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: I've been to protest as well. I've been to all 60 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: sorts of protests because it's a fascinating social phenomenon. That's 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: that's how I look at it, even protests that I 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: didn't believe in, you know, like I didn't agree with 63 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: the cause of a protest, but I was already on 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the train, so I said, I'll swing by. And most 65 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: of the protests that I have attended have been in Atlanta. 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: I've been there as an observer occasionally participant, but I've 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: also been involved in protests in Central America. And that's 68 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: that's something that's a little bit sticky if you're not 69 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: native to a land, because one of the first things 70 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: that the state Department will tell you to do, and 71 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: a lot of government agencies will tell you to do 72 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: this is to avoid any public demonstrations if you were 73 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: in a foreign country. Really, and is that because of 74 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: surveillance of some kind, or when you're dealing with a 75 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: visa or a passport, or a reason that you're in 76 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: the country that's not a standard citizen. You don't want 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: to ever get put on a list. Basically, it's yeah, 78 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: it's first and foremost an issue of personal safety. Of imagine, 79 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: for instance, that you are in a part of the 80 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: world that maybe doesn't have the best rule of law. 81 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: People are panicked, people are unhappy, there's a powder keg situation, 82 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: and you appearing very different, maybe speaking different language, moving differently, 83 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: despite your best intentions, you may become the fuse for 84 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: that powder keg. There have been plenty of you know, 85 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I study my study mass hysteria, uh, because I have 86 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: a heck of a social life, and one of the 87 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: things that happens this happened in Central America as well. 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: I was not involved. There were people who had been 89 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: murdered during protests because members of the public believe that 90 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: their children were being stolen by wealthy foreigners and that 91 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: their organs were being harvested. And so in one case, 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: a Japanese man and as driver, Japanese National ins driver 93 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: were pulled out their car and murdered because clearly, if 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: they're not from this country, they must be smuggling organs. 95 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: The point is the protest can quickly quickly turn into 96 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: something that is not peaceful. You know, they can turn 97 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: into a riot very very easily. Yeah, just from having 98 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: that number of people in one space, no matter how 99 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: open or large. It is that that mod mentality, right exactly. 100 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: In earlier episodes, you and I explored how various world governments, 101 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: including of course Uncle Sam, have a history of secretly 102 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: monitoring groups that may you know, organize the demonstration or protests, 103 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: and they monitor these groups if they consider them to 104 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: be a threat to domestic security or the status quo. 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: And one of the questions about that concerns this idea 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: of infiltration and monitoring is immediate. Just how far can 107 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: this monit ring go? To explore that, first, we have 108 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: to define what a protest actually is. And there's an 109 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: important distinction here. Yeah, Generally, when you think about protests, 110 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: you're thinking about dissent of some widely held opinion or 111 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: maybe a law or something that is considered status quo, right, 112 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: And it's a declaration of your opinion, a single person's opinion, 113 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: I disagree, right, dissent right. But it's important to note 114 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the protest while it is, you know, an individual um action. Essentially, 115 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: a protest is an individual action when you have enough 116 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: people income together. Generally you're here, you're going to be 117 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: thinking about protests as a group activity or a thing 118 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: like a gathering as a protest. But really it's just 119 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of people getting together and voicing their their 120 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: singular belief right, right, or their cluster of related beliefs. Yes, 121 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: which is what we the occupy movement right right. And 122 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that's something that mainstream news, delighted in and what is 123 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: this about. It's not really about anything. Nobody's saying the 124 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: same thing. Everybody's angry, nobody seeing the same thing, or 125 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: ump for ump for um. Something must be done right. 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes you can just feel it, so that that is 127 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: an important distinction if you're if you're speaking with a 128 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: technical definition and by the book definition, a protest is 129 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: something you do as an individual. But that word is 130 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: evolving in these our modern days because you're never going 131 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: to hear about a protest in a nonfictional world unless 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: it's describing what you said, Matt a group of people. 133 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: And here in the US, by no means a perfect country, 134 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: protests are still legal since the adoption of the First 135 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: Amendment in December of people in this country have the 136 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: right to, as symbol, in a peaceful manner, to make 137 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: our various opinion ends on one issue or another, known 138 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: to the public, to anyone who walks by, to anyone 139 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: who happens to cover it in the media. And important 140 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: to note these opinions do not have to be well informed. No, 141 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of protests that are, you know, 142 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: perhaps more emotionally driven than factually driven. And the tricky 143 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: thing about this is that people often don't agree on 144 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: an issue, and that's why a lot of times at 145 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: a protest that I think a good example would probably be, uh, 146 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: some of the I don't even know how to describe it, 147 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: some of the far right groups that will have a protest, 148 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: and then another group of people will have a counter 149 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: protest immediately adjacent to where the first group is having 150 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: a protest, and that and they were within their rights 151 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to do that if they apply for the permits and 152 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: all the things you have to do nowadays. But that 153 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: that's where you get real problems, right, That's the that's 154 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: the powder keg thing. That's why, for example, you'll see 155 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: m like a very controversial issue in the US for 156 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: a long time, concerned women's rights and abortion, and you 157 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: would see people who were anti women's rights or um 158 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: pro life they would call it, or people who are 159 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: pro abortion or pro choice at the same events they 160 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: would yell chance. All of this is perfectly legal, but 161 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: as long as they don't physically hit each other or 162 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: try to get other people to attack people that they 163 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: disagree with. This this is just street rules, baby, speaking 164 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: of powder keg moments, because then you you know, if 165 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: you add law enforcement and end mass to this as 166 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: an equation, that's where big problems can can arise. And 167 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole thing could be very, very controversial 168 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: because who who are they protecting? They're essentially protecting everyone 169 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: right in a protest like this, that's what it's supposed 170 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: to be, right, But how do you have the logistics 171 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: of doing that in a way it is non violent. 172 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have that job, and it's still 173 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: it's still a job that's going to be around until 174 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the laws change. Because freedom of assembly and freedom of 175 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: speech are on paper guaranteed, they're also closely related. But 176 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: the thing is that since their creation, these rights have 177 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: been more or less under some level of continual threat. 178 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: It turns out, folks, and I don't think there's a 179 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: surprise for any of us listening today, that the people 180 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: in power are very much pro protests. They're very in 181 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: favor of this right to assembly and freedom of speech 182 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: when they agree with the opinion or platform being presented. 183 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: So if you are if you are the governor of 184 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: a place, or you're the mayor of a town and 185 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: people are protesting, uh, something a little bit smaller in 186 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: scale like the construction of a Walmart, and you, you also, 187 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: as the mayor, have made your election bread and butter 188 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: off of supporting local businesses, then you'll say, yeah, the 189 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: people have a right to a symbol. They can say 190 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: what they want. I have no official statement on this, 191 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: but I do hope everyone turns out to vote yeah 192 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: or or I'm you can you know, they can sit 193 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: in their office and be glad that these people are 194 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: getting the steam like off of their or they're getting 195 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: these feelings off their chest in public. They're feeling like 196 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: they're doing something when in reality, you've already signed all 197 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: the checks. Right, right, because when these same people in 198 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: power disagree with a particular opinion, uh say there's a 199 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: group of folks protesting what they see as an unfair 200 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: tax scheme. Right for instance, that the Tea Party of 201 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: a few years back was huge, was very active in 202 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: that regard. Or let's say there's the opening of an 203 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: unpopular building the Walmart example, or a piece of infrastructure 204 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: people really don't want the inner dat or the train 205 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: coming through town, or don't build a prison in our neighborhood, Nimby, 206 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: not in my backyard, or a pipeline maybe or a 207 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: pipeline excellent example. Then people in power have several different 208 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: tools they can use to change the narrative and frame 209 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: this less as a protest, less as an exercise and 210 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: civil rights, and start start presenting it as something that 211 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: is violent, you know, that is threatening, that is going 212 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: to endanger families across the area. And the a c 213 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: l U has has a statement that that summarizes some 214 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: of the tools that those in power can use to neuter, discredit, 215 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: or cast dispersion on demonstrations. Yeah, and we'll read that, 216 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: and it's got one of one of my favorite quotations, 217 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: slash made up words phrases that's ever existed in the 218 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: history of since I've been alive, this phrase. Yeah, that's 219 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: gonna be here. In recent history, challenges to the right 220 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: to protest have come in many forms. In some cases, 221 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: police cracked down on demonstrations through mass arrests, illegal use 222 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: of force, or curfews. Elsewhere, law enforcement limits expression by 223 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: corralling protesters in so called free speech zones. And we've 224 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: heard of these, and you may have seen these. They've 225 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: been made fun of on places like Arrested or in 226 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: shows like Arrested. Development in other places where it's just 227 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: a cage essentially, where okay, everyone getting this cage. This 228 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: is the free speech zone, so alli and it's so 229 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: messed up. And the official reason for free speech zones, 230 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: by the way, being that they can guarantee the safety 231 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: of the protesters because they're in the cage. It's so 232 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: messed up. I just say that's that's the that is 233 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the official guideline. But currently, love him or hate him, 234 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: protests are as American as apple pie, and they seem 235 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: hopefully here to stay. In fact, despite various quite valid 236 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: concerns about huge corporations taking power from the government or 237 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: the government going increasingly big brother on people who live here. Uh, 238 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that protests are escalating, 239 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: not just in frequency but also in size. Each of 240 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: the top ten attended protests in American history occurred since 241 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, and furthermore, each of the top four 242 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: occurred since the beginning of the current presidential administration. The 243 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: Trump admin that it's it's that's astounding, and let's go 244 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: to should we go to the number one? Yeah, let's 245 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: just go ahead and just hit the number one, just 246 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: because everyone's wondering what it is it was the seventeen 247 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Women's March, and a lot of our co workers who 248 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: are here at now I heart media, how stuff works, 249 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: stuff media, whatever it was called. Um. A lot of 250 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: our coworkers were there, My wife was there, my sister, 251 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: a lot of our friends. It was January and there 252 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: were an estimated somewhere between three point three and four 253 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: point six million people assembled across the United States. Huge. 254 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: It was a huge amount of people, and they had 255 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: managed to unite for a cause. A lot of our 256 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: coworkers who did go up there were there partially as participants, 257 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: but mainly as documentarians. They were interviewing people that were 258 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: filming stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, and the number two spot next 259 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: year's Women's March, right right. So we know that protests 260 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: are growing in frequency, we know that they're growing in size. 261 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: The question is how long can this situation last. It's 262 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: no secret that other countries have effectively removed the right 263 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to assemble, at least for certain groups, and they're there 264 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: are numerous examples, but I want us to focus on 265 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: some of the examples that may be surprising. When we 266 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: think of protests or right to assembly being quashed, we 267 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: think of authoritarian regimes, right we think of the DPRK 268 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't take kindly to protest or maybe uh, certain 269 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: countries maybe maybe like Sudan wouldn't take kindly to a 270 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: protest right or yeah, anyone that has a very rigid 271 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: structure within the government and how functions. And I think 272 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I think about China just because of the People's Republican Uh. 273 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: And it's weird focusing on nations in Asia, but uh 274 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: interesting by the way, Matt, we called it on the 275 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: social credit thing, people are getting turned down for playing flights. 276 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: Everyone called us crazy, where we would be an alarmist, 277 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: but I thought, I thought we did a fairly even 278 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: handed look at Yeah, and very soon it's working, so 279 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: very soon it will be everywhere. We will all be 280 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: in that black mirror episode. I hope not. I hope not. 281 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: But if you want to learn what sesame credit or 282 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: social credit is, check out our earlier episode, which could 283 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: do with an update but still needs help. We did 284 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: it before it was implemented as an optional thing, when 285 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: it was just a twinkle and an authoritarian's eye, And 286 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: now it is happening and people are being severely punished 287 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: for disagreeing with the party line. With whom do you 288 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: associate ben negative points? Yeah, just on your friendship levels anyway. 289 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: So we wanted to look at countries that didn't fit 290 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: that bill, that didn't seem like authoritarian regimes, you know 291 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, They didn't seem like East German Soviet 292 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: block type things. Spain has something called the Citizens Security Law. 293 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: The Citizens Security Law gives police the discretionary ability to 294 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: hand out fines of up to six hundred and fifty 295 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars US equivalent to unauthorized demonstrators if they protest 296 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: near a transport hub or a nuclear power plant. So 297 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: if you're by a train station or a bus station, 298 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: or a nuclear power plant or a nuclear power plant, 299 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: and police can also issue fines of up to thirty 300 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: dollars US for taking photographs of police during a protest, 301 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: failing to show police idea upon request, or gathering in 302 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: an unauthorized way near government buildings. Which can you imagine 303 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: how that how that would go down in the in 304 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the United States. I mean at Pennsylvania Avenue, no matter 305 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: what day you go, no matter what the weather's like, 306 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: there's always a ton of people outside across the street 307 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: from the white Huh yeah, ton of people. Um, but again, 308 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: i'd love to see what, like how that breaks down 309 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: of unauthorized ways of gathering. Is it is it formations? 310 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Is it levels? Like they don't like levels like from theater? 311 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Great? Yeah, they're not doing uh they're 312 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: not doing body pyramids. Yeah all right, but but I know, 313 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: all seriousness, Let's let's look at another country that you 314 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect Canada, right, Quebec. Specifically, at the height of 315 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: a wave of student strikes, in the Quebec legislature passed 316 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: a thing called Bill seventy eight. This made pickets and 317 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: unauthorized gatherings of over fifty people illegal. It also punished 318 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: people with fines. So if you were in violation of 319 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: Bill seventy eight as an individual, you would have to 320 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: pay up to five five grands, and if you were 321 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: an organization, you have to pay a grands. Yikes. And 322 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: that's it's written in such a way that, uh, the 323 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: organization can get hit with that k fine and then 324 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: all the individuals can additionally get hit with that five 325 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: k fine. And we know it's possible for protests to 326 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: be legally blocked, and we have hard historical evidence of 327 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: operations like cointelpro and this. Things like this proved that 328 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: domestic monitoring of dissident groups has at the very least 329 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: occurred in the past. Let's pause for a word from 330 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: our sponsor and continue unraveling this ball of increasingly terrifying string. 331 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: Cuttle Cat's cuttle fish to the second oil Age and 332 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: his kingdom with full of darkness. I don't dispute the eurostata, 333 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: but if he's down here, not blood but darkness, the 334 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: earth's black riches. No I could taste it on my lips. Today, 335 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the science of transgenesis, 336 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: sis genesis show. So in the in the pizza that 337 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: we're constructing here, Sorry I didn't eat lunch, So you 338 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: think these are gonna be all food metaphors. Okay, I 339 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: hope that's all right with us listening, with everyone listening. 340 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: So in the pizza that we're building of explaining protests 341 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: and the people trying to stop or control them. Okay, 342 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: we've got I've got the people that the dome and sauce, 343 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: and then let's look at the counter protesting things as 344 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: as the toppings. Are the people trying to stop the 345 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: pizza from being made. There's a very very crucial ingredient 346 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: that we're missing here, and that is corporations, private entities 347 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: are not above suppressing news of a protest. So maybe 348 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: maybe let's say you're a big company like, oh, yeah, 349 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: you're Nestlee whatever, Yeah you're nestly. Let's say you're Nestly 350 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: and people are protesting your wildly profitable practice of exploiting 351 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: water use rights to take water from one place and 352 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: sell it as bottled water. And you don't, for some reason, 353 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to make the local government change the 354 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: law so that people can no longer protest. But what 355 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: you can do is influence media coverage of this so 356 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: that the protest, while it may actually happen, doesn't get 357 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: covered on your local you know, CBS or Fox five 358 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: or whatever, and it doesn't maybe get on national coverage 359 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: even if people are getting shot, violence breaks out. Maybe 360 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: CNN just shows a video of a of a cute 361 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: dog learned to ride a bicycle on its own. They 362 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: do that all the time. Yeah, I think it was. 363 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: It tries to go to the question there I would 364 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to look at all that other stuff. 365 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: Just show the duck. Show the duck. No one mentioned 366 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: Syria if no one saw it. The reasoning goes, did 367 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: it happen? And this is um, this is this is 368 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: a powerful question. And I know that we all tend 369 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: to as human beings, think of ourselves as critical analysts 370 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: of the world in which we live, but we are 371 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: very easily fooled. The more the more I learned about 372 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: human psychology, We've been through a lot, Matt, the more 373 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: I learned about human psychology like the increasingly depressed, because yeah, 374 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: we we fool each other and ourselves a lot. And 375 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: speaking of fooling, we've got I know, we meandered a 376 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: little bit. I'm sorry for the tangents of a little punchy. 377 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of fooling people, we're getting to one of the 378 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: most important, powerful and obscure tools used by the anti 379 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: protest crowd. It is something that does not get a 380 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: ton of airtime and never will, by the way, And 381 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: it's something that you won't hear governments or law enforcement outfits, 382 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: and certainly not corporations mentioned in public unless they are 383 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: denying its existence. What do the powerful do when legal 384 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: means of stifling descent don't cut the mustard? How far 385 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: would they go to discredit a movement and organization or 386 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: a cause. Enter the agent provocateur. Here's where it gets crazy. 387 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: Let's just call this section we've never seen this guy before. 388 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: I think that encapsulates it perfectly. So agent provocateurs. Who 389 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: are they? Aside from a really cool French name, what 390 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: are they there? An Asian provocateur is a catalyst that 391 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: exists within a group of people, A lot of times, 392 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: a somewhat like mind minded group of people who are 393 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: they're going to again, like like a catalyst entice somebody else, 394 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: maybe a group of people to do something that they 395 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do, like an illegal act. Let's say some 396 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: kind of rash decision, uh, something that will falsely implicate 397 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: the people around the agent provocateur of partaking in whatever 398 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: illegal act this Asian provocateur has done. Let's say something 399 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: like smashing a window, um uh, jump, sending fire to 400 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: a police vehicle, something like that. It's something to ruin 401 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: the reputation of all those surrounding the agent. Right, So 402 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: the agent provocateur may commit a crime, yeah, hoping to 403 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: be as you said, a catalyst may attempt to entice 404 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: other people civilians to commit a crime, or may falsely 405 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: implicate them in something if you want. This is just 406 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: a just right right say, there there's a protest, uh, 407 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: some provocateurs turn it into a riot and the police 408 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: swoop in. And while the police are swooping in, one 409 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: of these people sunglasses, bandana on the whole nine. They 410 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: bust open the front display of a pizzeria. And I'm 411 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: not lying, this is gonna keep happy unless let's shut 412 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: down by right to free pizza speech. I'm gonna get 413 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 1: you some cheese. It's I you know what, I am 414 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: so on board, but let's but seriously, this is an 415 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: okay example, They break into this thing and a civilian 416 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: protests are nearby, is standing there wondering what x going on. 417 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: But as the uniformed police are running by, the person 418 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: who has broken into the pizzeria like throws pizza at 419 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: this innocent person. So so they are falsely imp gated 420 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: in this crime. And sure that may not result in 421 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: a conviction, but it will probably result and then at 422 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: least being taken in for anywhere from a few hours 423 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: to a few days. Yeah. And and in a very 424 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: similar type of example, if that person, that agent provocateur 425 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: breaks into the front of the pizza joint, a group 426 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: of ten to a hundred people that are somewhat close 427 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: to him while he's doing that, feel that intensity in 428 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: the moment, are angry about whatever it is they're processing about, 429 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: and then they join in and start, you know, making 430 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: their own supremes like while while they're there. And it's 431 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: because of that mentality and that amped up adrenaline that 432 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: occurs in those situations that it only takes one person 433 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: to take that one further step that perhaps everyone else 434 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: will do it, which is a shame, you know, man, 435 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: because you should just support your local pizza joint. I 436 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: feel like I'm losing the thread of this, but but 437 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: it's true. You know, it's true. People are especially large 438 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: gatherings or in mobs in a place where there's not 439 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: a an asserted number of social Moray's right, Like, when 440 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: people are in those uncertain situations, they will follow the lead. 441 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: I say they, we will follow the lead because we're 442 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: no better, right, And it doesn't happen every time, but 443 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: it does happen, But it does happen the history of 444 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: secret police planting agent provocateurs in popular movements. It's an 445 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: ancient practice, but it goes back like the modern version 446 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: of it goes back at least a nineteenth century France 447 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: and twentieth century Russia. So in nineteen o five, the 448 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: priest who led the St. Petersburg Revolution, we know it 449 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: was some sort of double agent, and the man who 450 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: organized the assassination of the czar's uncle, the Grand Duke, 451 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: was also a double agent. We have a documented case 452 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: of this in the US. We have several, but here's one. Yeah, 453 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: one is of Tommy the Traveler. This guy was a 454 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: member of the Students for a Democratic Society. May have 455 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: heard them heard of him as the S D S. 456 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: He's an organizer who, after years of trying to arise 457 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: some kind of violent action, he uh, he convinced these 458 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: two other people, to nineteen year old students to actually 459 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: firebomb and r O TC headquarters at this college Hobart 460 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: College and Upstate New York. UM and r O t 461 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: C is the the it's training. It's training for like 462 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: future military essentially right right right, the Reserve Officers training corpses, 463 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of high school members, a lot of college members. 464 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: You've and you've probably heard S D S and r 465 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: O t C together when when learning about the UM 466 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: the violent or not the violent but the protests that 467 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: ended up turning violent um in the nineteen sixties, Yes, 468 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: a lot of those sts was a big group there. 469 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: And in our previous episodes on the FBI and They're 470 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: Handling of Informants, we look into some of some of 471 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: those actions as well as coins Helper. We've got some 472 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: listeners in the audience who lived through the sixties and 473 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: can tell you, especially a lot of us younger folks, 474 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: can tell you that this was an alarmingly fragile time 475 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: for the US. It was one of the first times 476 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: that people who were civilians could get unedited un propagandized 477 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: footage of American actions in Vietnam and learned that war 478 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: was not as noble perhaps as they have been led 479 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: to believe. But this still, this still continues. Agent provocateurs 480 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: are essentially double agents. How do they work? Let's let's 481 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: take a hypothetical example, and let's see, Paul, how long 482 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: you let us get away with this? All right? So Matt, 483 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: picture our good good friends Paul mission control decade cam 484 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: focusing on his mustache. Got it all right, He's got 485 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: a mustache. Now. He's active in the anti widget community. 486 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: He and his fellow activists, you see, hate the way 487 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: that widgets are destroying the environment, endangering children, pushing out 488 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: local businesses or what have you. Widgets are bad, they agree, 489 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: So Paul and his friends get together to publicly protest 490 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: widgets on the steps of the state capital. We are 491 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: pick a good one Illinois. Okay, we're in Illinois. So 492 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: Paul and his friends have done this before. They've protested 493 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: here at the Capitol um multiple times. They're very anti widget, 494 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: so they know all the legal ins and outs. They 495 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: have their permits secured, they have um you know, they've 496 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: reached out to local news organizations and so on, and 497 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: they're able to avoid law enforcements shutting down the protests. However, 498 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois, and this again hypothetical example, has 499 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: relied heavily upon big Widget for funding in her or 500 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: his last campaign, so it's in their best interest to 501 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: make sure that this protest, if it does have to happen, 502 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: somehow discredits the anti widget movement. So fast forward to 503 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: the day of the protest. All right, So we've got 504 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: a ton of anti widgets assembled in Springfield, Illinois, down 505 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: there by the capital. They're just signs everywhere with all 506 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: these really clever, and you know it's somewhat um snarky, 507 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: a little bit snarky. Signs that are anti widgets. They've 508 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: got slogans on them, they got memes. People brought their families. 509 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: They're banging pots. Representatives from other activist groups joined up 510 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: as well, like kind of closely related groups, but not 511 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: in the same exact thing. You got the food not 512 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: bombs thing. They're they're hanging out. A couple other environmental 513 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: groups and prison activists, couple of vegans showed up, some 514 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: anti fax some uh, some like trained kids, definitely trained 515 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: off the rails. And are you know, protesting in fay 516 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: or of general anarchy anyway. Yes, So at this point, 517 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, Paul, the guy over here and his mustache, 518 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: they're like hanging out there, loving this. All his friends 519 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: are there. They're so ecstatic because so many people have 520 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: joined up for the cause, so many folks are there. 521 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: Power to the people, right. Of course, a lot of 522 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: these people are strangers, a lot of strangers completely new 523 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: to Paul and his friends. And you know, again, Paul 524 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: and his friends are happy because it means their campaign 525 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: is spreading across all these different groups, across all these 526 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: different people. The social media campaign that they were using. 527 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: It really paid off. Some of these protesters, however, look 528 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: like a tad disconcerting. They don't quite blend in with 529 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: the rest of the crowd. They seem, in fact, unusually aggressive, 530 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: despite the fact that everyone who has been at previous 531 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: anti widget meetings knows that the police are just there 532 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: to maintain peace, right to feature, there's not a new violence, 533 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: and that you are not supposed to antagonize the police. 534 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: They're probably friends of local law enforcement there amongst the 535 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: anti Widget Yeah right, they're not protesting the police. They're 536 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: protesting these uh insidious widgets. And these people who have 537 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: appeared are wearing outfits that are typically attributed to something 538 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: called the black block uh spectrum of violent protest tactics. 539 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: But the problem is that unlike legit black block members 540 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 1: or black black practitioners, these guys have clothes that look 541 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: like the right off the rack of a store, brand new, 542 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: and their boots seem to match the boots that that 543 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: the police are wearing very similar, so they appear to 544 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: be incredibly aggressive. They're taunting the cops were there the 545 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: monitor the pro tests. They're trying to turn the crowd 546 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: against the cops. Despite all the work that Paul and 547 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: the Anti Widget Collective have put into making this a 548 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: peaceful demonstration, it turns out in this example that widgets 549 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: are a very emotionally charged issue. Here in Springfield, Illinois, 550 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the crowd is already angry. There's the slight, tangy scent 551 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: of blood in the air, right. A lot of people 552 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: have lost their livelihood due to widgets, and let's let's 553 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: up the stakes and say that some people have died 554 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: in some way related to widgets. The group is scheduled 555 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: a short list of speakers, and it is Paul. Mission control. 556 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Decons turned to grab the microphone, so he steps up 557 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: on a makeshift podium. He greets the crowd to enthusiastic cheers, 558 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: and he begins to outline the evils of widgets and 559 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: more importantly, the solutions that he and his crew propose. 560 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: And someone yells burn it down, and someone else yells down. 561 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: Hold on, says Paul. But it's too late. People begin 562 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: chanting burn it down, burn it down, burning it down, 563 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: burn it down, burn it down. Hold on, says Paul. 564 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: But it's too late, guys, It's way too late, because 565 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: the chant is now it's too much. It overcomes everything else. Pause. 566 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: Zoom in as a person in the crowd you could miss. 567 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: It's a guy with a baseball cap, black hoodie, brand 568 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: new black jeans, brand new black boots, brand new gloves 569 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: on his hands. Let's zoom in enhanced computer. He has 570 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: donned a bandana over the lower half of his face. 571 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: He's sneaking in and around through the crowd. He doesn't 572 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: particularly seem to be shouting anymore. Everybody else is doing 573 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: that for him. Now, let's press play again and watch 574 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: as he picks up and throws a brick through a 575 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: nearby car window. Other people start attacking this car because yeah, 576 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: you hear the smash. You're everyone's in this fever pitch, 577 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: And now a moment of violence occurs and everyone starts 578 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: to join in. The police they see this happening, and 579 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: this is dangerous. They have to protect everyone who's in 580 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: this protest, including the people surrounding the violence, so they 581 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: just swoop in. But now that the crowd, at least 582 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: portions of the crowd, are becoming violent, so they attack 583 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: the police in return. And if the police respond to 584 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: these attacks, then the crowd easily interprets it as the 585 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: police just attacking people, and they panic. Pandemonium occurs. Some people, hey, 586 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: everybody runs. Some people run away from the violence. Some 587 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: people run toward it in hopes of, you know, likely 588 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: in hopes of rescuing their fellow protesters from the anti 589 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: widget collective. Paul Mission controlled Decond stands there for a 590 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: moment on this make shift platform, baffled, how did this 591 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: all go so wrong, so completely and so quickly? Gunshots 592 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: explode through the afternoon air, cutting his moment of reverie short. 593 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: He ducks to the ground, and he wonders what will 594 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: be on the news. Oh man, there's your control. I 595 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: feel like we gotta help him. Let's uh, let's get 596 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: some sponsors in here, and we are back again. This 597 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: is only a hypothetical example. Our good friends super producer 598 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: Paul is hail and hardy and is not has not 599 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: at this point become the victim of a violent protest. 600 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: But that does not make this story an implausible one. 601 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: The practice of sabotaging protests in this manner is ancient, 602 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: and it's varied, and it goes across political spectrums, it 603 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: goes across ideologies, and it goes across industry. Religion and 604 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: state labor spies infiltrated, disrupted, and subverted union activities all 605 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: the live long day. And they used agent provocateurs at protest. 606 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: Unfortunately doesn't get reported in a lot of uh and 607 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of history classes. But we still have unions today. 608 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: So man, what's an example of a union where this 609 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: could happen? I don't know, a lot of them have 610 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: some friends who are teamsters, which is kind of cool. 611 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: Think about Hollywood and now in Atlanta as the film 612 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: industry is going around, and I believe Gimblet Media the 613 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: staff there is attempting to unionize or they're planning on unionizing. 614 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: Um has something to do with Spotify. But anyway, who knows, 615 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: podcast unions maybe a thing of the future. Right there, 616 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: he goes, it's a podcast union protest, and the cops 617 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: want to come down hard. Sorry, probably don't for something. 618 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: And so all they have to do is have a 619 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: large enough group of people and then have someone just 620 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: push the needle, just nudge things in a less stable direction, 621 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: just be an agent of chaos. The activities of agent 622 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: provocate tours against revolutionaries and Imperial Russia were notorious and 623 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: infamous in the U s. As we know, the activities 624 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: of cointelpro included tasking FBI agents to pose as political 625 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: activists and participating meetings with groups like the Ku Klux Klan, 626 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: the American Indian Movement, the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee. 627 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: We're including these three examples just to show that it 628 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: ran the gamut, you know what I mean. And then 629 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: especially when to Black Panthers movement, a lot of um 630 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: nationalist movements and community based organizations like that, like vegans. Yeah, 631 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: that's why we're joking talking about eagans being there, because 632 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: they did infiltrate vegan groups. Yeah, and even more, maybe 633 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: more fringe animal rights groups also get also get the 634 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: unblinking eye. There's another example we we mentioned Canada. In 635 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: in Quebec in two thousand seven, protesters accused police of 636 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: using undercover agents to provoke violent confrontations at the North 637 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: American Leaders summit in Montebello, Quebec. These accusations have been 638 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: made before, but this time these agent provocateurs were caught 639 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: on camera. Oh yeah, there was a video that you 640 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: can see of these demonstrations on YouTube. I remember watching 641 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: it back in the day and you may still be 642 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: able to find it. It It may not be the original videos, 643 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: but it's at least existing there as proxies um or 644 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: just duplicates their their faces. These young guys, three dudes, 645 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: they're they've got bandanas on their faces. They're mingling with 646 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: protesters in front of a line of police and riot 647 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: gear and at least one of these guys is holding 648 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: a rock in his hand. Okay, Then one of the organisms, 649 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: one of the organizers of the actual protesters, guy named 650 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: Dave Coles. He's the president of Communications, Energy and Paperworkers 651 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: Union of Canada. Uh. This guy makes it clear to 652 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: the mass man. He's like talking to him. He's saying, guys, 653 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: it looks like you're I mean, this isn't verbatim, but 654 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: he's saying, it looks like you're trying to be violent, 655 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: and we know you're not a part of our group. 656 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: What are you doing here? He also Dave Coles is 657 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: my favorite line of this story. Dave Coles describes the 658 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: group of actual protesters as mainly grandparents. Well, yeah, if 659 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: you watched the video, and you don't wanna judge anyway, 660 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: but the ages of the people actually they're protesting in 661 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: their insular group are older, significantly older than these other guys. 662 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: You're right, there's this big age difference, and he urges 663 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: these three masked men to leave and go this is 664 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: our protest turf. Yeah, go go protest somewhere else with 665 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: your agro ways and your weird disguises. And it gets 666 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: even weirder from there. So Coles then demands that these 667 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: guys put down their rocks and stopping so you know, 668 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,479 Speaker 1: at least looking like they're going to be violent. Other 669 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: protesters like start chiming in and they're saying, wait a second, 670 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: these guys, these guys are police officers, these are agents, 671 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: These are and they actually call them agent provocateur. I 672 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: believe in the video, Um, several of the people try 673 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: to actually take the bandanas off their faces so they 674 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: can get video evidence of their faces. And rather than leave, 675 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: these three men, rather than leave when confronted with a 676 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,439 Speaker 1: group who are starting to you know, get upset at them, uh, 677 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: they actually start getting closer to the police, like backing 678 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: away into the police line, essentially for protection, perhaps um, 679 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: from from a bunch of grandparents. UM. Just leave that there, um, 680 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: And then they seem to start discussing or or talking 681 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: with the police, and the police talking to them as 682 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: a discussion and then eventually they pushed their way past 683 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: an officer and um other police then pushed them down 684 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: on the ground and they handcuffed these guys to take 685 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: them away. Essentially, Yeah, but the thought here is that 686 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: they actually got loaded up into a car and they're like, oh, man, 687 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: that didn't work out, all right, guys, let's a regroup 688 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: back at the HQ. And initially the police department denied 689 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: any knowledge of this or involvement. However, it was hard 690 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: to argue against video, and they did. They did. Uh, 691 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: they did admit that those three folks were undercover. However, 692 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: they said they were not there to incite violence. They 693 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: were there to make sure that things did not get violent. 694 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: Man that video and they were the ones holding the rocks. 695 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: So we know that the practice of using agent provocateurs 696 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: to infiltrate protest and the practice of using government money 697 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: your your tax dollars, by the way, if you if 698 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: you live in one of the countries we're talking about, 699 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: we know this practice has been escalating in step with 700 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: the growth of protests, and it makes sense. In the 701 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: United Kingdom alone, for example, undercover police officers have spied 702 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: on more than one thousand political groups since nineteen sixty eight. 703 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: But there's no official list of these groups. There's nothing 704 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 1: that's been published. This is piece together from leaked information 705 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: that comes out years or decades later. Additionally, corporate interests 706 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: never one to uh never want to miss a space 707 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: in the market, have continued to increase their involvement in 708 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: protest infiltration. And we found some some pretty fascinating documents 709 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: that were leaked to the Guardian and the Bureau of 710 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: Investigative Journalism. So we got a couple of companies here, 711 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: British Airways, the Royal Bank of Scotland and Portia, and 712 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: uh there are a whole bunch of other ones on 713 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: on a list that we found. But they have paid 714 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: for corporate intelligence firms to monitor political groups that challenged 715 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,240 Speaker 1: their businesses. So they're looking at groups that may cause 716 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: a pr problem or worse for them, right right. And 717 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: one of these corporate intelligence firms is an outfit name 718 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: C two I International, although they believe they changed their 719 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: name afterwards. They were caught using two professional infiltrators to 720 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: get advanced warning of demonstrations against these firms you mentioned, Matt, 721 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: British Airways, Royal Bank, Portia all the hits, all the hits, uh, 722 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: and then notify those firms before the demonstrations occur, the 723 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: idea being that they could preemptively shut them down if possible, 724 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: or they could just infiltrate it. Or they could just 725 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: infiltrate I'm sure there's something like a menu, right. The 726 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: infiltrators would pretend to be activists sympathetic to the cause 727 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: of the campaigners, and they would get in during the 728 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: lead up to the demonstration. They would be showing up 729 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: at the meetings they would help organize, they would attend 730 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: the demonstrations. And we're making this sound serious, dystopian and 731 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: a little bit shadow running. But sometimes this included silly 732 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: protests too. One of the infiltrators had to dress up 733 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: as a pirate with a with a cutlast and an 734 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: eye patch. As part of the protests. They had to 735 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: wear costumes. I bet they were. They were against Porsche 736 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: right for some reason or another, just for the alliteration, yea, 737 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: So they they had to do some some silly things, right. 738 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: They also would try to do a little bit of espionage. 739 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: They would steal internal documents, they would try to get 740 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: their hands on digital accounts, of information, emails, meetings, attendance lists, 741 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: attendance list. That's big, that's always going to be big. 742 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: And then there's another example. There's a group called the 743 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: Inkerman Group that gathers information about protesters and they have 744 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: covertly deployed infiltrators on these demonstrations that are directed at 745 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: certain businesses. One of its confidential documents that was leaked 746 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: again to The Guardian warned of the threat presented by 747 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,720 Speaker 1: protest groups that use direct action to disrupt the quote 748 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: economic welfare of companies. Well, they're messing with the money. 749 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,479 Speaker 1: Don't don't mess with the money. Don't mess with the money. 750 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: Somebody said that one time, messing with the money. I 751 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: can't remember that, but but this is this is strange 752 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,399 Speaker 1: because the we always get the question who is the they? 753 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: And stuff they don't want you to know, and it 754 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: changes every episode. There are multiple days in this situation. 755 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: Porstia Royal Bank, those folks obviously don't want you to 756 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: know that they spend part of their profits using these 757 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,919 Speaker 1: very very very unethical things, these very unethical techniques, rather 758 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: to infiltrate and stymy protests and descent in general. Right 759 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: and the the US government regardless of who who is 760 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: in office, is not going to stop doing this. Why 761 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: would you stop doing this? This is a lot of 762 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: bang for your buck. All you have to do is 763 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: not get caught. Yeah, yeah, And again it's it's a 764 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: saturation issue because if you've got one, even ten agent 765 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: provocateurs working in a big enough protest, like you're probably 766 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: not going to get caught if you're good at it. 767 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: But here's the other big thing we know, ben Uh, 768 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: the same tools they're used to actually organize demonstrations, to 769 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: get to have people give their opinion in public and 770 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: share this kind of thing, these same things can be 771 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: used against the organizers themselves and against the protest movement. Absolutely. 772 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 1: It's it's strange because we when we're talking about these 773 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: new tools, we're talking about things like Twitter, right, We're 774 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: talking about various digital social media. We're also talking about 775 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: the enormous opportunities for organization that are posed by our 776 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: smartphones are little tracking devices that we keep in our pockets. 777 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: But the sword swings both ways, right and there. This 778 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: cannot be over emphasized. The conclusions for today's episode are 779 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: are tough. They're simple, but they're tough. What does this 780 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: all mean. First, it means that you cannot trust everyone 781 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: at a demonstration. So if you go to protests, as 782 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: is your right in a lot of countries, and I 783 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: believe it's a human I believe it should be a 784 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: human right. Overall, as you go, remember that no matter 785 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,240 Speaker 1: what you personally believe in, no matter why you personally 786 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: are there or your friends, if you don't know someone, 787 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: you are not sure why they are actually there. And 788 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: there will be people in in our audience today who 789 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: have I know, I know some of us have been 790 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 1: to protest and I know you have seen something like 791 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: the So please right in if you have a personal 792 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: experience that you're comfortable with sharing. And next, this means 793 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 1: that we know this happens, but we have no idea. 794 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: There is not an official way to learn how many 795 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,279 Speaker 1: people are doing this. Is it an occasional one time thing, 796 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: is it a booming shadow industry. There's not a record 797 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: to look at, so we can't make the call. Yeah, 798 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: at what scale is the counter intelligence at work in 799 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: whatever protests? Maybe it's zero percent. It is possible that 800 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: there is zero percent counter intelligence happening, or it could 801 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: be even the counter intelligence could be the thing that 802 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 1: started the protest to to try and counteract a group 803 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't going to protest in the first place. But 804 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,399 Speaker 1: there's no way to know how many demonstrations like are 805 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,280 Speaker 1: just right now, there are demonstrators that are being poked 806 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 1: and prodded by some kind of undercover agent. It's possible 807 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: we don't know how many are happening right now. There's 808 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: no way to know. Right, it's more greater than zero. Yes, yes, 809 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,399 Speaker 1: it's greater than zero. And that's a that's another crazy thing. 810 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: It's safe to assume the protest over any controversial issue, again, 811 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: regardless of how you feel about it, I will have 812 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: a pretty high likelihood of being infiltrated, either in the 813 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: planning process or especially if it's a large scale protests 814 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: infiltrated the day off. Right, And also, if we are 815 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: being fair, there is a valid, compelling reason for governments 816 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: to monitor certain dissident groups supremacist, racial supremacist, separatist, domestic 817 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: terrorists and so on. There are dangerous people and there 818 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,840 Speaker 1: is a reason that these people should be monitored. That 819 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: The question is where does the line, Where does the 820 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,240 Speaker 1: line exist? Right? Where can how can you legally say 821 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: we better keep an eye on these vegans. Well, yeah, 822 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: and it's generally a line, or it should be at 823 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,879 Speaker 1: least a line between violence and non violence. Right, that's 824 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: where the line should be. But when you when you 825 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 1: add in this this catalyst, this agent provocateur thing, that's 826 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,919 Speaker 1: when it doesn't matter what the protest is about, doesn't 827 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 1: matter what the group is, it can become violent when 828 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,040 Speaker 1: you add that extra thing to it. So this is 829 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: where today's episode ends, at least our part of today's episode, 830 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: because we are looking forward to hearing from you and 831 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners are looking forward to hearing your stories 832 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 1: as well. Let us know what your encounters with this 833 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: sort of phenomenon have been. Is it, Is it something again? 834 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 1: It's it's a bit of a black box because there 835 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,439 Speaker 1: are no official records yet of how often or how 836 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: infrequently this occurs. Let us know if you think it's alarmist, 837 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: let us know if you think there's more to the story. 838 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,240 Speaker 1: Let us know if you have any advice, uh for 839 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,239 Speaker 1: people who are also listening to the show who might 840 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: be interested in or ization or activism. Should they just 841 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: not do it or they're safe ways to do it? 842 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, we don't want 843 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: anyone to die, please absolutely well, And what do you 844 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: think about protests in general? Do you think any action 845 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 1: truly occurs when a protest happens, or do you think 846 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: it's a way to pacify the people by allowing protests. 847 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 1: That's such a great question, because that's something people talked about, right. 848 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 1: It worries me because it's that feeling. It's when you've 849 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 1: got a big projects coming up, or a big a 850 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: huge thing on the horizon in your life, and you 851 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: talk about it a lot, but you don't do much 852 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: about or you don't like make many plans or do 853 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: anything about it. You have that same feeling of um 854 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 1: almost euphoria, and in that the thing is actually happening 855 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: just by talking about it. Right. This is a phenomenon 856 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: we've discussed before, and when a protest occurs on a 857 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: wide enough scale, it makes you feel better, perhaps that 858 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 1: something's gonna change or something's gonna happen, when in reality 859 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: maybe status quo just remains and everybody goes home at 860 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: the end of the night. Right. That's that's a very 861 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 1: good point. And these are these are vital issues. Let 862 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: us know. You can find us on Instagram, you can 863 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. You can find us on Twitter. 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Yeah, 873 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: what if someone can what if someone wants to call us? Okay, 874 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 1: well you can call me right now because I'm going 875 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 1: through the messages like today and this week I've been 876 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,919 Speaker 1: doing it. You can call one eight three three std 877 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,880 Speaker 1: W y t K just leave a message. Three minutes 878 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: is the cap, but you can leave multiples if you wish, 879 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: like some of our ore some of you have And 880 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,920 Speaker 1: I've been loving every single message that's coming in and 881 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm sending it to the guys, and uh, we're very 882 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: much enjoying it. 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