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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursday's nsition, a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Paulatina on Lance, but

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Speaker 1: oh good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: We take you up till two pm Eastern. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to your phone calls at two three hashtag Giants chat

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, so will recap the latest media session. Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer spoke, offensive line coach how Hunter spoke. We also

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Speaker 1: heard from Kevin Zeitler and Evan Ingram. Will give you

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Speaker 1: our takeaways and then we'll get to the phone lines

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Speaker 1: as we give up the latest around the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: All right, so Paul, let's start with the offensive line

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Speaker 1: because that seemed to really be a huge theme in

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Speaker 1: today's media session. And Al Hunter spoke to reporters and

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Speaker 1: gave an update on what he's seen from various offensive

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Speaker 1: linemen as well as the group as a whole. I

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Speaker 1: think one of my biggest takeaways was the center position.

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Speaker 1: Let's start there. We know John Hallopeo and Spencer Pulley

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Speaker 1: are competing for the starting spot. Hallopeo started off the

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Speaker 1: the year and he basically said, there are two different

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Speaker 1: styles of players you have. Hallopeo is more of a

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Speaker 1: power guy and Pulley is more of a technician type

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Speaker 1: of guy. And what he's trying to do is he's

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Speaker 1: trying to get them alternate reps during the course of

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Speaker 1: first team workouts, and he wants to try to get

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Speaker 1: Pulley said at least two series with the ones every

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Speaker 1: single day in practice with Hallapeo starting off at this point,

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Speaker 1: which of course indicates to me and we've kind of

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Speaker 1: assumed this for a while. Even though I will tell

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Speaker 1: you I'm a big Spencer Pulley guy based on what

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Speaker 1: he did during the second half of the two thousand

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Speaker 1: eighteen season, it does tell you that Hallo Peo right

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Speaker 1: now has a slight edge because he is getting the

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Speaker 1: first first team reps and Pulley is getting the second

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Speaker 1: part of those. But having said that, hal Hunter was

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Speaker 1: also very clear and said, we will wait for or

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Speaker 1: three preseason games in all likelihood before we make a

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Speaker 1: decision going into week number four. Now, I think the

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Speaker 1: traits and characteristics that these guys bring to the table

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Speaker 1: translate this way Hallo Peo is a better run blocker.

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Speaker 1: Pulley is a better pass blocker. I also believe that

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Speaker 1: Pulley does a very nice job getting down to the

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Speaker 1: I just saw a lot of things that I liked

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Speaker 1: from him. Here here's the thing. Pulleys played more games

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Speaker 1: at center in the NFL that Hallo Peo has. He

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Speaker 1: and then started the whole second half of last season

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's kind of one of those things where, hey,

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Speaker 1: And I I'd say, you know, Pulley should have the

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Speaker 1: But I know that they do like Halapio's box car frame,

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Speaker 1: his size, his power. They absolutely would like to see

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Speaker 1: him continue to excel in the run game as he has,

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Speaker 1: and therefore, I, you know, I don't think there's much

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Speaker 1: right now, which is understandable also because when John Hallapeo

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Speaker 1: in the Dallas Cowboys game. He also brought up how

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Speaker 1: Hunter the play of Nick Gates as somebody that has

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Speaker 1: But the swing tackle, the swing guards, last center is important,

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go back to Nick Gates for a minute,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see him as a tackle. I immediately saw

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Speaker 1: so when they brought him in, I was kind of hopeful, like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: But but the good news is he's tough and he's strong,

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Speaker 1: see that. Now we've already said they've got one interior

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Speaker 1: concerned right now if I were the staff of trying

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Speaker 1: after all, he lives and you know, UM, he's on

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Speaker 1: rooms for everything, and in the film rooms for everything.

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Speaker 1: I hope he does, in fact see something that I

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Speaker 1: just I just I just not. I don't see it well.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't necessarily say there was a front runner

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Speaker 1: to him. Because this specific question was worded, okay, outside

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Speaker 1: He told me personally he was really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you imagine him getting in your face

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Speaker 1: attractive players where the Giants would make a big splash

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Speaker 1: even if they did recoup some money. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: maybe having some insurance in case guys get hurt and

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Speaker 1: they have to, you know, make a street signing to

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Speaker 1: fill a roster spot. I mean, that's really what the

433
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Speaker 1: purpose of having some flexibility for this season is. Anything

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Speaker 1: else that happens moving forward, whether Tate's contract is contract,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, is tied into that. I really don't think

436
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Speaker 1: it's a big concern for the team right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you go to my main question, which was a

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Speaker 1: possible eighteen games schedule. UM, So, what the NFL ultimately

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Speaker 1: wants to do is they want to move the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl back two weeks and have it on President's Day

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Speaker 1: weekend and move it later in the day. This way,

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Speaker 1: they can bring in even more TV revenue money by

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Speaker 1: having the game completely in primetime across the country. So,

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Speaker 1: with the eighteen games schedule and moving the season back

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Speaker 1: two weeks to fit those extra two games in, UM,

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Speaker 1: I would assume that they would start the preseason in

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Speaker 1: August and cut down training camp to two to three weeks,

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Speaker 1: and then just have the two preseason games. My question

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Speaker 1: is I really think that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: an issue that is going to cause a lockout because

451
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Speaker 1: this is a lot of money we're talking about and

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Speaker 1: I can see the owners locking out the players to

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Speaker 1: get that eighteen game schedule. Well, there was a lockout

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Speaker 1: in the last CBA negotiations if you remember in two

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Speaker 1: thousand eleven. So I mean, we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: But as far as the logistics are concerned, nothing has

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Speaker 1: been laid out to those specifics. Has just been some

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Speaker 1: ideas that have been kicked around, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be part of the negotiating process. But to say that

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Speaker 1: they're that closer to solidifying an eight team game schedule

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Speaker 1: with those specifics, I wouldn't go so far. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just been some ideology that's been thrown around

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Speaker 1: in terms of maybe where the owners stand, and then

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Speaker 1: the players have their ideas related to that. But but

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything specifically about President's Day and the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I don't think that the league or

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Speaker 1: specifically the coaches want to see it go that far,

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Speaker 1: because now you're talking about the combine coming up. You

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Speaker 1: talk about these teams get ahead of themselves in terms

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Speaker 1: of laying out their off season schedule once they're eliminated

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Speaker 1: from the playoffs, and if you move that back then

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Speaker 1: it starts eating into the teams that make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: You know they're gonna have to make very quick transitions.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of logistics that I

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Speaker 1: think would have to be worked out before we even

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Speaker 1: start talking about implementing something like that. So what what

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Speaker 1: do you think would get it done. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: something such as if the owners were to basically split

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Speaker 1: the percentage right now they get so they were to

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Speaker 1: make at deal, and if they were to, let's say,

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Speaker 1: eliminate the practice squad and add those ten positions to

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Speaker 1: the roster and have your entire roster be active on

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Speaker 1: game day, then you're aiding eight to nine NFL job

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Speaker 1: at much. But first of all, you're never gonna have

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Speaker 1: the entire roster active because you're gonna have an uneven

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Speaker 1: number of players for one team versus another, So logistically

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Speaker 1: that can't work. There always has to be a specific

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Speaker 1: number of players they're gonna be active. They could very

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Speaker 1: well make the practice squad like the G League in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, which I've thrown out, where guys can come

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Speaker 1: and go up and down. It's like your farm system.

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Speaker 1: But once again, Mike, I mean in terms of asking

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Speaker 1: us what is it gonna take to get done. It

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Speaker 1: depends on what the priorities for the players are and

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Speaker 1: what are some of the other issues that they want

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Speaker 1: to fight for. And I think it's way too soon

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Speaker 1: to say that they do this and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden the eight team game schedule gets approved once again,

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Speaker 1: it's a theory that's being thrown out. We are so

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Speaker 1: far away from any specifics of this being hammered out,

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Speaker 1: so I mean, at this point, it's really a pipe dream.

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Speaker 1: It's a hypothetical. There's nothing that I have heard that

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Speaker 1: means that they're any closer Paul to an eighteen game schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's just been conversations from the media, mostly where it's

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Speaker 1: been fueled as opposed to between both sides for anything

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Speaker 1: that will keep the NFL active. It's that simple. I

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Speaker 1: don't care what deal they come up with, as long

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Speaker 1: as we don't have to miss NFL football. That's that simple, well,

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Speaker 1: I think, and I'm not even gonna think about this

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Speaker 1: until I have to, which is many months down the road. Well,

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Speaker 1: and there's also the players safety concerns which the players have,

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Speaker 1: which is I think another thing that would have to

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Speaker 1: be hammered out Mike, when you start talking about this,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers. The USFL played an eighteen

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Speaker 1: game schedule. I've already been through that with the New

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Speaker 1: Jersey Generals when I covered them from A three five.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I get the safety concerns, but

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Speaker 1: I also don't understand the whole theory that, oh the

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Speaker 1: sky folds if you if you play a games, what

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Speaker 1: a tragedy. This is horrible. We can't possibly do it.

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Speaker 1: Give me a break us play games. If you're in

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Speaker 1: crazy the active roster, you can have a guy sit

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Speaker 1: and that helps to alleviate your say, well, there's no

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Speaker 1: way in the world I'm going for that. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: no way am I going or is anybody gonna go

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Speaker 1: for have a guy be deactive or inactive for two games?

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, That's that's a that's a ridiculous premise. I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about that. And I agree with you, Paul uh.

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Speaker 1: You can't have anyone be deactivated for a couple of games.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give an example. You know, lots of Giant

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Speaker 1: fans live down here in Atlanta. We paid money to

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Speaker 1: go see s Klon Barkley last year. The NFL owners

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Speaker 1: cannot have something where you would have to deactivate St

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Speaker 1: Kwon for two games, especially in those cities like Tampa

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Speaker 1: and Atlanta and Arizona where a lot of Giant fans

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Speaker 1: have moved to and you know exact player. Take the

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Speaker 1: names out of the equation. Just say player X and

538
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Speaker 1: team Y. It's not good business, point blank. It's just

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Speaker 1: not has nothing to do with Giants. Fans will say

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Speaker 1: Kwan team X or player X and team hyve been

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Speaker 1: player Y. It's bad business. It's just not good And

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Speaker 1: you should also not have to lose your quarterbacks for

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Speaker 1: two games when that's such a critical position, or your

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Speaker 1: left tackle which is important to protecting your quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's a coach of GM in the world

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Speaker 1: that would go for now. I can't the unfair deal

547
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Speaker 1: business wise to the fans who would be forced to

548
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Speaker 1: miss players after they bought tickets too. That to me

549
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Speaker 1: is second on the list compared to the competitive balance

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Speaker 1: of the league, which is the one that influences the

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Speaker 1: product more so than anything. Thank you, Mike, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: we choose the one five, one three is the telephone number.

553
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: But once again, eight teen game schedule. We are very

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Speaker 1: far from even getting into specifics or how close it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with all doors, then Mike's a good fan, good call.

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Speaker 1: I understand he's talking about a very serious issue. But

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Speaker 1: right now, you're looking at two NFL teams who have

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Speaker 1: gone into the second week of training camp. They're preparing

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Speaker 1: for the preseason. They're hoping, at least probably thirty two

560
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Speaker 1: teams are hoping they're going to have a chance to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs this year, and they're all focused on

562
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Speaker 1: trying to make their rosters better at this time. I

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Speaker 1: know the business stuff that's going on behind the curtain

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Speaker 1: is kind of looming there, but that's the last thing

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Speaker 1: in the world I think any coach, GM player, more

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Speaker 1: announcer for that matter, wants to think about right now. Well,

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Speaker 1: and just from a logistical standpoint, piggybacking off of one

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Speaker 1: of them, there's gonna be plenty of times to deal

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Speaker 1: with that stuff after the season, trust me, and even

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Speaker 1: beyond the season. No doubt. We're not talking about the

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Speaker 1: CBA expiring two thousan so this is not necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to and right there and then after they sees it.

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Speaker 1: But the idea that at well, if you expand rosters

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Speaker 1: everything is gonna be great. You still have to put

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Speaker 1: a limit poll on rosters because the reason why, and

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Speaker 1: this has always been thrown out, why don't they just

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Speaker 1: make all fifty three guys active for every single game

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Speaker 1: you run correct, you run into circumstances where one team

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Speaker 1: has all fifty three healthy, and then you run into

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Speaker 1: another team that has forty two or whatever. I'm just

581
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Speaker 1: throwing out a number. So you're gonna have one team

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Speaker 1: that has seven or two nine offensive lineman at their disposal,

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Speaker 1: and then another team that is five, and then it's

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Speaker 1: just it's unfair. The whole point of the NFL that

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Speaker 1: makes it appealing is the competitive balance, the fact that

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Speaker 1: you have equal scheduling in terms of how they orchestrate that,

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Speaker 1: and also number and roster size. The minute you start

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Speaker 1: manipulating those numbers, you can throw out competitive balance, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think the league wants to go down that road.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. So that's why I think a fair

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Speaker 1: thing to do is to take the practice squad, have

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Speaker 1: those ten guys serve as your arm league, and then

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Speaker 1: you can call them up and down, and then you

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about putting them through waivers after

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Speaker 1: a game or two that they play and then they

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Speaker 1: can be claimed by somebody else. So if they made

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Speaker 1: it that way, I think that would be reasonable. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I've been screaming about that very thing for years. For years.

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Speaker 1: I mean that they don't even have to wait for

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Speaker 1: the new CBA. They could do that right now. If

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Speaker 1: they could, they could, and I think and what you

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Speaker 1: do is you pay the players on the split contract.

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Speaker 1: The week that they're up, they get the NFL money.

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Speaker 1: The week that they're down, they get the practice squad money,

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Speaker 1: which is how it's handled in the NBA. You hear

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Speaker 1: the two way contract, Paul, they go up and down

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Speaker 1: from the G League. There's no reason why they can't.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more. And I don't see any

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Speaker 1: downside to that. Like I said, for years, I've been

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Speaker 1: screaming about this, and you know whatever, well, and it's

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Speaker 1: good for the practice squad players because then they also feel, hey,

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Speaker 1: the chances of me getting called up, Paul, or even

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Speaker 1: higher because they are they'll know, well, the team could

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Speaker 1: just send me back down. Nobody saying I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: on the roster for five weeks, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe a game or two great opportunity for them to

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Speaker 1: showcase their skills in a game setting. So those things

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Speaker 1: I think they can move forward to and we don't

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Speaker 1: have to discuss the economics or anything related to that.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three is the telephone number

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Speaker 1: you can also send in your tweets at hashtag giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: We were recapping off the top some of the things

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Speaker 1: we learned from the media session. Today was a big

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Speaker 1: day about the offensive line. We heard from how Hunter,

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Speaker 1: we heard from Kevin Zeitler. Pat Shermer even weighed in

626
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, and that is a big subject

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Speaker 1: entering this season because we know the running game, the

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Speaker 1: play of Eli Manning is all based on how well

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Speaker 1: this offensive line performs. And the fact that you have

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Speaker 1: two new faces on the right side of the offensive

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Speaker 1: line is encouraging. But I think what's also encouraging is

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Speaker 1: paul year two of Nate Solder and Will Hernandez playing

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Speaker 1: next to one another. If we go back on the calendar,

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Speaker 1: at this time last year, Hernandez was a rookie very raw,

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Speaker 1: and Solder was now learning how to play next to

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Speaker 1: a completely new player. Just think about now entering this year,

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Speaker 1: even though there hasn't been any movable pieces on the

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Speaker 1: left side. Maybe the steps forward that that group can

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Speaker 1: take because there's a lot more comfort between those two

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Speaker 1: in particular. Well, Hernandez and Soldier have talked about that,

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Speaker 1: so it does not surprise me at all that they

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Speaker 1: will continue to progress. But I think the the real

643
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: gem of this offensive line is the fact that Ms

644
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: is a seven year pro Zeidler is an eight year pro.

645
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: And it's been made very clear to me time and

646
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: time again by both of those gentlemen, in addition to

647
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, that these guys know what they're doing

648
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: and they understand the game so well. And let's not

649
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: forget Ramers play guard, so he he knows better than

650
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: anybody exactly what Zeidler is going to be doing next. Hi,

651
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: He's bite the position. So the the antenuity, the the osmosis,

652
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: the symmetry, pick whatever adjective you'd like, these two guys

653
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: are just working so well together that to me, that's

654
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: even more beneficial than the Hernandez Soldier combination, because, after all,

655
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: when you switch to guys on the end of the line,

656
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: more often than not, there's not gonna be continuity. But

657
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: these guys have come in and and they've already they're

658
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: like bread and butter, So I think that is incredibly significant.

659
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna need much time at all

660
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: once they start taking snaps in the preseason. I bet

661
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: you by week one they're they're feeling real good about

662
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: each other. I would be very shocked if they're not.

663
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: They both basically said that to me well, and I

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Speaker 1: think part of that is specifically the guys on the

665
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: right side. They also have experience playing next to many

666
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: different offensive lineman, so that I think makes it a

667
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: little bit easier when you bring two veterans together. Paul, Hey,

668
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: this is nothing new, all right. I gotta learn the

669
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: tendencies here or there. But as long as I stick

670
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: to my assignment, I know the scheme. You know, we

671
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: should be able to complement one another. Whereas if you're

672
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: now coming in and playing next to a rookie like

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00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Soldier was last year, Paul, not only are you learning

674
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: how to play next to a new player, but you

675
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: also understand that that player is also trying to get

676
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: adjusted to the league. Zitler doesn't have to worry about Remers.

677
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: This is not his first rodeo and doesn't have to

678
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: worry about Nightler because this is not his first rodeo. Look,

679
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: it's no different than the two safeties, Peppers and Buffet,

680
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: who have each played free safety at one time or

681
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: another and strong safety at one time or another. And

682
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: they have said, quite frankly, they can get into each

683
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: other's heads because they have played the other guy's position before.

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00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: I think that Remembers having played guard with the Viking

685
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: sum is a tremendous benefit to him as he and

686
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: Zeidler continue to forge this friendship. I'm with you. I

687
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: think that is probably and under the radar benefit. When

688
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: you have versatility and you've been exposed to different positions,

689
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: you now know your position, but you also can relate

690
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: to what the guy next to you is going through,

691
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: especially if you've played that position, which is the case

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: for Mike Rembers. So encouragement across the board. I think

693
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: from what how Hunter said, what Kevin Zeitler said with

694
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: respect to the offensive line, they're gonna let the center

695
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: position play out during the course of at least the

696
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: first three preseason games before they determine who's going to

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00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: win the starting job. And as far as who wins,

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00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: perhaps the three backup roles, which is usually the number

699
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: you keep that that remains to be seen. Nick Gates

700
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: and Brian Mahollock were two guys that how Hunter pointed

701
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: out that have stood out for him during the course

702
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: of practice in terms of practice performances. You know, we

703
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: could certainly go over some of the highlights from yesterday.

704
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: I think what jumped out to me pulling from yesterday's practice,

705
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: and they're gonna take part in another practice later today.

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00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: The defense seemed to really set the tone yesterday in practice.

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00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: I thought they were a very aggressive group. Corey Balantine

708
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: I think has really flashed over the last few days. Antoine,

709
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: but they had an interception and it's nice to see

710
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: these young secondary players start to come into their own

711
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: as they near their first preseason game. I used the

712
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: word feisty when I described practice yesterday on both sides

713
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: of the ball, but specifically on defense and in the secondary.

714
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: And look, folks, this isn't a secret now over the

715
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: last two years, they have really churned this roster. Yeah,

716
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: and there are not just rookies, but a lot of

717
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: younger veterans on the team. The energy, the enthusiasm, the

718
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: flat out fire that these younger players have shown has

719
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: basically permeated the entire roster. I mean they've made guys

720
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: like generous Jenkins seemed like he's got extra in his step. Jenkins.

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00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: Jenkins is playing to the fans the other day. I

722
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, That's not something he would usually do,

723
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: and and he's happening and bopping around. I really believe

724
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: that this team. It's almost like somebody opened a window

725
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: and there's a breadth of fresh air from all of

726
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: the youth that has been infused on on on the squad.

727
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: And so look, who knows where this ultimately will lead,

728
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: but there are so many good signs right now in

729
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: terms of the upside for this team. How quickly will

730
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: it happen? How far will it go? You and I

731
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know the answers to that, but they're going in

732
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the right direction. And anybody who says otherwise as their

733
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: eyes closed and their ears stuffed. Well, it's always good

734
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: when young players gained confidence early in the process, which

735
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: I think is something that relates to this team. And

736
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: they go out there and they make plays and Corey

737
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: Ballantine is reminding me of lot of Darius Slayden from

738
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: this perspective. Slayden was a guy that had a very

739
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: rough rookie minicamp, and then when the veterans of the

740
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: rookies came together, Pat Shermer said consistently, all of a sudden,

741
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the arrow is pointing up. Why because he's making plays.

742
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: You don't see any of those mental mistakes now, Corey Balantine,

743
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't as if he was making mistakes. It was

744
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: just Corey Balantine missed time because the unfortunate tragedy that

745
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: he was a part of. So he came in, he

746
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: had to play catch up. He had to start learning

747
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: the scheme. Even the coaches have said he did a

748
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: really good job over the summer when they took a

749
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: break to even stay in contact communicating because he was

750
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: studying his playbooks so much to make sure once training

751
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: camp started he was ready to go. And now you

752
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: could see once a player has a grasp of the

753
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: scheme and he understands what they're asking him to do,

754
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: now you could go out and you could play freely,

755
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: and you can make plays. And I think that's why

756
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: Balentine reminds me a lot, Paul of what Darius Slayden

757
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: went through. I think that's fair, I really do, and

758
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: both of these young fellas have shown a tremendous amount

759
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: of um uh Is professionalism a good word? I think

760
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: that's very because they've certainly had a number of challenges,

761
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: whether it be Slaton's injury or the drop seeds and

762
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: the reputation that came from Auburn when he got to

763
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: the NFL. And of course Valentine we know the tragic shooting,

764
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: fatal shooting of his friend and the fact that he

765
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: had gotten shot and the glued himself personally. He has

766
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: really come from from some horrible circumstances. So yeah, I

767
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: think I think their professionalism and the way they've conducted

768
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: themselves out here on the field has really been remarkable,

769
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: um considering some of the different types of obstacles they faced.

770
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of tweets here Lands. I don't

771
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: know if you had seen that. I've been looking through

772
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: some of them, but if you have, well these were

773
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: sent to me directly, so not the giants Chat hashtag

774
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: giants Chat folks if you want to generically ever get

775
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: tweets on b b k L, but it's okay if

776
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: you to send something to me A giants w F

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Speaker 1: A n or Atlant's meadow. M E d Ow. You

778
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: got that right, you go look at that smooth. I've

779
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: heard you say it enough times. Okay, Well, I'm glad

780
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: it's catching on. Fine, Okay, we worked together a lot

781
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, right, sometimes I give you credit. Jay

782
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: Hawckey says, uh, Now, I like this new Eli and

783
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: more zip is great, but let's hope he doesn't fall

784
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: in the pocket every time he gets hits with a

785
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: pass rusher or gets within a foot in front of him. Uh.

786
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: He is concerned about Eli maybe being a bit gun shy.

787
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: My answer to Jay is that this offensive line appears

788
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: to be so much improved that I don't think you

789
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: have to worry about Eli getting pounded like he did

790
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: last year when he took forty seven sacks. Well, we

791
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: have nothing to believe at this point that that is

792
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: going to be an alarm. We're gonna learn a lot, clearly, Paul,

793
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: when we get into game situations. It right now, they're

794
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: playing against each other. Not that the Giants front seven

795
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: is not providing some pressure. But I think when you

796
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: start to go up against unfamiliar opponents is when you

797
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: really see whether or not there is a true progress

798
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: of past protection, run blocking and so forth with this

799
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: offensive line. But so far, so good, I would say

800
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: for the group, and I think Eli Manning and Daniel

801
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Jones to a certain degree also have really handled themselves

802
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: well in the pocket. And one of the things I

803
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: told you when we were watching practice yesterday, regardless of

804
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones throws, and we're not here to analyze all

805
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: the throws, I have been impressed when there is pressure

806
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: that is coming into the pocket no matter what line

807
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: he's playing with, he has great command, He understands where

808
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: he is on the field, he steps up, he makes

809
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: the throw, and not to me is an important facet

810
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: of the quarterback. So you know that is just as

811
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: important Paul as well. How well is the offensive line

812
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: blocking you so that you do have that clean pocket

813
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: to operate down the forest? Of course, Rich counters Rich

814
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: in New Jersey says, I think the focus on ellis misplaced.

815
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: The team isn't good enough to win and hasn't been

816
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: the last few years, so what's really the point? It

817
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: says here he thinks there should be a priority on

818
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: getting Jones ready to be a starter and maybe even

819
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: start some games this year. Of course, pending what the

820
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: record is, Well, Jones is gonna get an opportunity if

821
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: something calls for that. And we've said this time and

822
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: time again. If if the team is struggling, if it's

823
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: late in the season, if Eli Manning is struggling, you know,

824
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: then I think we can open up the conversation for

825
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: perhaps opportunities for Daniel Jones. But anything before that I

826
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: think is extremely premature. Now, we just got word from

827
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: John Schmilk, who hustled in a note to us UH

828
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: coach has decided they will not go in full pads today.

829
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: He was very happy with yesterday's practice. We discussed how spirited,

830
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: which was on both sides of the ball. So he's

831
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: only gonna go in shells today, which, folks, if you

832
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: don't know technically what that's all about, it's like half

833
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: shoulder pads. You know that they that they do wear

834
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: so that you know there's some protection on the upper body,

835
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: but there's no real contact with with shells. A little

836
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: bit but a little touchy feely, but not much. UH practice,

837
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: by the way, not open to the public. We should

838
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: should have said this earlier. The Rolling Stones are playing

839
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: at bet Live Stadium across the parking lot and because

840
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: that causes a significant parking and traffic problem. Uh, they

841
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: do not open up practice to the public today because

842
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: to get into the lot would just be a mess.

843
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: So no, you know, can't come out today to see it, folks.

844
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I also don't want to stress out the

845
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: new Jersey State troopers who are responsible for Paul getting

846
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: home safely on top of managing the parking lot from

847
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: Life Stadium. But they just wanted to make sure that

848
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: people understood that. More tweets um Eli Manning I happened

849
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: to tweet out earlier how he's been whistling darts at

850
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: camp that the tweeks in his off season program. Yeah,

851
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: and the tweeks in his off season program where he's

852
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: done a lot of length, leg and core strengthening which

853
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: will allow him to fire the ball better, have paid

854
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: dividends and uh, Paul uh dies, doc says wins. W's

855
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Speaker 1: are the dividends that really satisfy And I understand that.

856
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously that's the number one goal of

857
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: everybody here is to try to win ball games. But

858
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: anything that a player can do to enhance his ability

859
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: to perform better is going to ultimately lead to a

860
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Speaker 1: higher percentage of wins. So I don't think anybody would

861
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: have any argument with that. Paul. We we all agree

862
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: with you. Synonymous with one another. The improvement of the

863
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Speaker 1: players across the board, you hope translates to wins be

864
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: the David Owitz. I'm not sure if I got that right,

865
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Speaker 1: so I apologize. He says, looks like Eli, he's putting

866
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: in all the work needed to prove a lot of

867
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: people wrong this season. We would concur with that. We have, uh,

868
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Speaker 1: Dunnigan twenty four slays. Let's go ten Eli Manning fan.

869
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: We know Eli is a very hot and cold player. Uh.

870
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: Some people really love him, some people not so much.

871
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: So you know, we get both ends of the spectrum

872
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: here on the show. I think I had a couple

873
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: more I wanted to get to. Here we go. Clinton Foreset,

874
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: talking about Evan Ingram, says, if he stays healthy and

875
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: gets over the drops issues, he'll be a Pro Bowl

876
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: tight end. Now, I honestly thought that after his rookie season,

877
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Speaker 1: when I think he had fifteen drops to lead the NFL.

878
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Ingram did much better holding onto the ball last year, well,

879
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: the last four games, right, I mean, look at his

880
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: production so I don't remember thinking about any costly drops.

881
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: I don't don't really think it's the case of the

882
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: drop seas with Evan Ingram, And granted you certainly want

883
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Speaker 1: to eliminate that. I think it's just a matter of

884
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Speaker 1: staying on the field and being able to consistently be

885
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: in the lineup weekend and week out, Paul, much more

886
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: so than perhaps the mental lapses, because those last four

887
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Speaker 1: games he was healthy. He was in the lineup every

888
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Speaker 1: single week, and it's no coincidence to me that he

889
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Speaker 1: produced every single continent. I'm calling up my unofficial chart,

890
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: you know. I I watched the tapes, and I keep

891
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: my own charts and stats. I'm trying to call up

892
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: right now. Here is my my chart for drop passes.

893
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: In two thousand eighteen, I had Evan Ingram for five

894
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Speaker 1: and in fact, in the entire season, the entire season,

895
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: I had him for five drops um two or are

896
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Speaker 1: on third down or fourth down. One would have been

897
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: a first down conversion and none would have been for touchdowns.

898
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Speaker 1: So there's a complete breakdown on Ingram's drops. He had

899
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: two against Jacksonville. Uh, what do we have here? Do

900
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: do do? Do? Do? Do? Do Do? Do do couple against Washington,

901
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: he went like the last six games without one. I mean,

902
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: once he got back and had that run of games.

903
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember drops being an issue, or at least

904
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: any moment in a game where it was costly. Was

905
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Speaker 1: the Washington game, by the way, I know you just

906
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: closed that. I think the Washington game was the one

907
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: where it was a costly third down drop. If memories

908
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: he would have extended to drive because that was the

909
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: game where Adrian Peterson and for that long touchdown late.

910
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: But the game was actually prior to that. So drop

911
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: here or drop there certainly presented opportunities for the Giants,

912
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: or I should say missed opportunities with the potential to

913
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Speaker 1: perhaps continue a drive and maybe tie the game later

914
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: Giants blue Blood, it says Zeitler is going to make

915
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: a huge positive impact on the offensive line, and I'm pumped. Well,

916
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: I think if you look at him forget what you

917
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: see on the field, you should be pumped because he's

918
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: pumping up a lot to keep that body in great

919
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: shape for the start of the season. And when you

920
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: also hear what Hal Hunter said today in case you're

921
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: just joining us about how in his thirty eight years

922
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: of coaching that he has not seen a guy that

923
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: has better focus and better determination. I think that also

924
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: says a lot. And how Hunter has been around a

925
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of offensive lineman NFL offensive lineman and for him

926
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Speaker 1: to put Kevin Zeit lawn in Ireland, I think that

927
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: is quite impressive. We have another guy named King of

928
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: New York. Okay, how did no? There was one claims

929
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: actually at King of New York ten. I'm guessing he's

930
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: a big Eli guy. He says he was throwing a

931
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: deep ball season. I don't know why people got this

932
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: idea that he only checks down the ball when that

933
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: was only one game where the old line gave up

934
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: six sacks and they were getting pressured on every play.

935
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: Are you all blind? Well, you know, King of New York.

936
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: There is no doubt that Eli did throw a lot

937
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: of checkdowns because Sae Kwon Barkley caught ninety one passes

938
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: last year. So I don't I don't necessarily want to

939
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: go all the way onto your side of the fence

940
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: and say that he didn't do much of that at all,

941
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: because he certainly did a healthy amount of it. But

942
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: let's not forget Eli also was amongst the NFL leaders

943
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: in quarterbacks throwing for completions of twenty yards or longer.

944
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: And yes, some of them were catching runs by Barkley,

945
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: some were catching run by O B J. But trust

946
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: me when I tell you, if you were to break

947
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: down the coaches Phil Homes, you would see that Eli

948
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: was not a quote checked down quarterback. He did his

949
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: fair share, but he also did his fair share of

950
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: deep stuff too. Yeah, I would agree with you. I

951
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: think the narratives a little bit off base to say

952
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: that the Giants weren't taking shots down the field. They were.

953
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Speaker 1: I mean, the numbers show what se Kwan Barkley did,

954
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: and he was heavily involved in the offense. But you

955
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: know what, at the end of the day, you want

956
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: to get your best player the ball more often than not.

957
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: So I really don't think that that's necessarily a negative.

958
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: And you had Oldell Beckham on the field to last year,

959
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: and those are two guys that it doesn't matter where

960
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: you get them the ball, pall, because once you get

961
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: them the ball, they're more than capable of winning one

962
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: on one battles in the open field and moving the chains.

963
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: So I just I don't understand why if you're feeding

964
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: them the ball, let's say within ten yards, and then

965
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: they pick up five or six yards on top of that.

966
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: You'll take the sixteen or seventeen yards anyway you can

967
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: get them. There's no brownie points in the NFL where

968
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: they go, well, we're gonna give you the opportunity to

969
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: get closer to a win because you made five throws

970
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: of twenty five yards down the field as opposed to

971
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: just getting five plays of twenty five yards or more,

972
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: and maybe three of them came as a result of

973
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: short passes and then yak yardage. You know, by the way,

974
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: they just added a guy by the name of Golden Tate,

975
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: and you know what he's very good at. He's also

976
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: good at gaining yardage after the catch. So if they

977
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: get it to Golden Tate within ten yards and he

978
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: runs for six or seven, once again, you're still getting

979
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: the sixteen or seventeen yards. As a game, you don't

980
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: get extra points for how far you throw it down

981
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: the field. It's all about moving the chains at the

982
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: end of the day. I don't I don't look at

983
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: that necessarily as a negative. No, I totally agree with you,

984
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that there are and I'm

985
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: trying to find out now if I could see it.

986
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: Here there are um what do you call it, uh analytics,

987
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: metrics and metrics that indicate uh passes and how many

988
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: of the passes went so many yards and how many

989
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: were yards after and so forth and so on. Now

990
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: here is a Here is a chart by next Gen stats. Okay,

991
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: average completed air yards per pass okay? And Eli Manning

992
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: was at five point three air yards per completion. Okay,

993
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: that would have put him ahead of the following players,

994
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Derek Carr, bordles In Towne Hill and Oswilder

995
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: not such a big deal. Ahead of Ben Roethlisberger, ahead

996
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: of Matthew Stafford, ahead of Nick Foles. Well, now you're

997
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: listed at least six or seven guys who, by the way,

998
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: we're all respected as competent NFL quarterbacks. So you know this,

999
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: This whole thing that Eli is a total checkdown guy

1000
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: just not true. Yeah, I mean, you gotta watch the games.

1001
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: You can't just go by also the statistics in the

1002
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: break down, because that doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

1003
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: It's Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Coors Light two

1004
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: zero one five one three is the telephone number you

1005
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: can continue to send in your tweets at hashtag giants

1006
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: chat or two us as individuals. Let's head back to

1007
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: the lines we've got Charlie in Portland, Maine. Charlie, what

1008
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: is on your mind today that you're dying to tell

1009
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: us all? Hey, let's say Paul. Heye, nobody was calling,

1010
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: so I thought I better calling. That doesn't mean that

1011
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: we're not capable of doing a program. I hate to

1012
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: break it to you, Charlie, The truth is we cleared

1013
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: the lines for you. There you go. Hey, Well, I

1014
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: think Paul is going to happen with our secondary You

1015
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: remember this, Remember when all these rookies came into San Francisco,

1016
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: sure lot, Eric Wright and they were all rookies and

1017
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: they ended up being fantastic. And I think the same

1018
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: thing is going to happen with the guys that we

1019
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: have now. I think they're going to surprise a lot

1020
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: of people. I think they're gonna come in and they're

1021
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna play well as Brook East, just like group did. Charlie,

1022
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: I do you have access to the MSG shows that

1023
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: we are doing, or at least on the phone on

1024
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: the app? Can you get that? Do you want him

1025
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: to get it. Okay, Now, last night I was on

1026
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: I was on the show with Shaun O'Hara, and one

1027
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: of the things that I said is that all of

1028
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: these young dbs that they have brought in over the

1029
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: last two years have the following traits. They play fast,

1030
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: so they have play speed. They have lengths, and they

1031
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: have physicality. Those are three outstanding traits to have for

1032
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: a defensive back in the National Football League. And oh,

1033
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: by the way, it also looks like although I don't

1034
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: want to get two ahead of myself, because after all,

1035
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: this is only practice, I want to see it more

1036
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: in games because that's when you really tell instinctiveness. But

1037
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: it looks like they all have very good anticipation as well.

1038
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: And if they do, in fact, check that fourth box

1039
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is going to mean this giant

1040
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: secondary is going to be real good for years to come. Yeah, exactly.

1041
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: And this is one other thing I want to bring up, Like,

1042
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, I hear all the time when they're talking

1043
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones that they're saying, you know, like, hey,

1044
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: when he was in college, he didn't have very many

1045
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 1: he didn't have good wide receivers. They dropped the ball

1046
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: more than any other team college football, and he had

1047
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: an awful offensive so you know we gotta cut him

1048
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: some slack. Well, tell me that's an exact same thing

1049
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: that has been happened to Eli. No offensive line. He

1050
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: had the highest drops besides the most shacks, and nobody's

1051
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: given him any Nobody's saying, well, jeeze, maybe that's why

1052
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Eli wasn't playing well standard Charlie. You know better, you

1053
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: know better. The unintelligent and the click bag folks, they

1054
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: have to have double standards because they need to justify

1055
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: their stance. Yeah, well, that's ridiculous if they're going to

1056
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: say that about Daniel Jones and they got to give

1057
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: that credit to Elive what he went through the same thing. Man.

1058
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: Can't let facts get in the way of a good story, Charlie,

1059
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: because otherwise there'd be no newspapers. Newspapers. It's true, they

1060
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: are going away, aren't they. Okay, guys, appreciate the phone call.

1061
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: With that being said, that is going to thanks for

1062
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: us here on Thursday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

1063
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody for tuning in so they will be practicing

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Speaker 1: later today and Big Blue Kickoff Live will be up

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Speaker 1: and running again tomorrow. In terms of the show tonight,

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Speaker 1: well sixth story on M s J. Giants Training Camp Live.

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Speaker 1: The Thursday edition will run tonight and tomorrow. Unless weather

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Speaker 1: does not cooperate, practice will be open folks, so do

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Speaker 1: check the website of course, make sure you figure out

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Speaker 1: who the alums are gonna be so you can come

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Speaker 1: out and get your autographs and hopefully again weather we'll

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Speaker 1: cooperate and you guys will be able to come out again.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that is gonna wrap up Big Blue

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Speaker 1: kick Off Live presented by Corps Light. Hopefully everybody will

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Speaker 1: have some safe dreams tonight, not about Charlie for Paul Detina,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of your Thursday and

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Speaker 1: always stay locked to Giants dot com. Have a go on,

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Speaker 1: yeh yeah,