1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Talking Politics. I'm your host Si Cup. Some 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: programming reminders. We have a new Talking Coffee episode out 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: where we do address the emergency coffee news that broke 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: last week about RFK Junior coming for my Duncan. You 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: don't want to miss that. We have a bunch of 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: great new Off the Cup interviews for you. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: Too to check out. So go search up Off. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: The Cup at iHeart er anywhere you get your podcasts 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: and you'll find our Talking Politics are Talking Coffee and 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: are Off the Cup videos. But now onto politics. It 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: was a big week for the Iran war. More shenanigans, 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: more incompetence, more scary rhetoric from a president who does 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: not know what he's doing, not at all. 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen some of the headlines. 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Oil prices rise to one hundred and ten dollars a barrel. 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Analysts worn the war. 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: Could keep prices high for years as energy infrastructure is 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: damaged in the region and the Strait of Cormuz is 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: effectively closed. 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: So that's no good. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: A shocking hearing on the Hill this week where DNI 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence Tulsea Gabbard absolutely embarrassed herself enter 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: office end of this war effort. While we're at it, 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: here's Georgia Senator John Assoff questioning Tulsey Gabbard on US 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: intel and the supposed imminent threat that Trump says Iran 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: was posing. 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 2: Take a listen. 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: That opening statement, as submitted to the committee in advance 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: of this hearing, stated that, as a result of last 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: summer's airstrikes, quote, Iran's nuclear enrichment program was obliterated end quote. 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: Correct. 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: That's right, And is that, in fact the assessment of 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: the intelligence community. Yes, So the assessment of the intelligence 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: community is that Iran's nuclear and rig program was obliterated 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: by last summer's air strikes. 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 5: Yes. 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: And the opening statement you submitted to the committee last 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: night also stated, quote there has been no efforts since 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: then to try to rebuild their enrichment capability end quote. 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: Correct. 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: That's right, and that's the assessment of the intelligence community. 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 5: Yes. 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 4: The White House stated on. 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: March first of this year that this war was launched 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: and was quote a military campaign to eliminate the imminent 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime end quote. That's 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: a statement from the White House. Quote the imminent nuclear 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: threat posed by the Iranian regime Was it the assessment 49 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: of the intelligence community that there was an imminent nuclear 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: threat posed by the Iranian regime? 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 6: The intelligence community assessed that Iran maintained the intention to 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 6: rebuild and to continue to grow their nuclear enrichment. 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: Was it the assessment of the intelligence community that there 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: was a quote imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime? 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 5: Yes or no? 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 6: Or the only person who can determine and what is 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 6: and is not an imminent threat is the president? 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: False? 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: This is This is the Worldwide Threats Hearing where you 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: present to Congress national intelligence, timely, objective and independent of 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: political considerations. You've stated today that the intelligence community's assessment 62 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: is that Iran's nuclear enrichment program was obliterated and that 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: quote there had been no efforts since then to try 64 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: to rebuild their enrichment capability. 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 5: Was it the. 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: Intelligence community's assessment that, nevertheless, despite this obliteration, there was 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: a quote imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime. 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: Yes or no? 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 6: It is not the intelligence community's responsibility to determine what 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 6: is and is not an imminent threat. 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: Wow, that's just one part of that hearing, and it 72 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: is so bad for so many reasons. I can't tell 73 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: you how insane what she said is, guys, So. 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: To state the obvious. 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Of course, it's the intelligence Commune unity's responsibility to determine 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: what is or isn't an imminent threat. 77 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: It's the whole point of the job. 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: It's in the name assess the threats around the world 79 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: using intel. 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: She's trying to act. This is such a weird dodge. 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: She's trying to act like for something to be determined 82 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: an imminent threat, it has to go through some weird 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: official channel where the president has to make an official 84 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: decree and rubber stamp it and get it notarized and 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: perform a saging ceremony whatever. No, it's your job to 86 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: tell the president where the imminent threats are coming from 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: around the world. He can ignore it. He doesn't have 88 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: to go to war over it. But he's not assessing 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: where are the threats. That's not what his job is. 90 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: It's yours. 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: This is so stupid. 92 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: But because she can't contradict Trump, she won't just say 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: the truth, which was that there was no eminent threat. 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: We went to war under totally false pretenses. 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Period. But you know what I don't get. I don't 96 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: get the end game here for Tulsi. 97 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: She spent her political career fighting endless wars, bashing Republicans 98 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: for getting us into endless wars. 99 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: This was her. 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Brand, and in twenty twenty she went after Trump himself. 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this campaign ad. 102 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 7: President Trump says that he doesn't want war with Iran, 103 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 7: but that's exactly what he wants, because that's exactly what 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 7: Saudi Arabia, Netanyahu, Al Qaeda, Bolton Haley and other neo 105 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 7: cons and neolibs want. That's what he puts first, not America. 106 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean what happened? Well, she lost, She turned mega 107 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: for some reason. I guess this was the only place 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: she could go. And by twenty twenty four, she was 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: campaigning for Trump and promising, promising Americans that a vote 110 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: for Kamala meant a vote for war with Iran. And 111 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: now she's the public face of a war with Ron 112 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and she's defending it because she has no principles. As 113 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: if this weren't humiliating enough, she has been rendered so 114 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: irrelevant by Trump and this administration. Do you want to 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: know what the joke on the hill is. I don't 116 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: know if you've heard this, but this is what goes 117 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: around on the Hill that Tulsi is DNI, which stands 118 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: for do not invite, meaning Trump World doesn't even invite 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: her to high level meetings anymore. It is so embarrassing. 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: And I know she has friends. I know this personally, 121 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: she has friends who are advising her like you should resign. 122 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: This is humiliating for you. There's a new brutal, brutal 123 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: vanity fair piece out I think yesterday, entitled the Humiliation 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: of Tulsa Gabbard, and in it, my friend Glenn Greenwald 125 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: offers a quote and he says, of Tulsi, who is 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: a friend of his, he says, she's serving as an ornament. 127 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: She's being exploited, She's not manipulating anybody for her own dignity. 128 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: She ought to resign, Yeah, yes, she should. But then 129 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: listen to this. 130 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald goes on to say, I'm sure she's telling 131 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: herself that the reason she's staying in is because she's 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: one of the very few people who can still push 133 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: back against this faction that wants to go to war. 134 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: But Trump is made clear he doesn't give a shit 135 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: what Tulsi thinks. He said that explicitly, so I think 136 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of delusion going on. That's what Glenn 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Greenwald saying of someone he has defended, Tulsi Gabbard. 138 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that is brutal. I don't know why she 139 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: hasn't resigned. 140 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I've heard from a fairly reputable source that she has 141 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: no plans on resigning, which is bunkers. 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: But it's about to get. 143 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Even more bunkers because Trump is reportedly about to ask 144 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: Congress for two hundred billion dollars in funding for this 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: war that he didn't ask Congress to vote on in 146 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: the first place, and Percy and and reporting that isn't 147 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: going to go well accord. According to this reporting, GOP 148 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: leaders do not think they have the votes to authorize 149 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: that kind of investment. 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: They don't think they have the votes inside their own party. 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Lawmakers are skeptical since neither the White House nor the 152 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Pentagon have articulated a clear timeline for ending it or 153 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: what the mission there even is. 154 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: He thinks he's going to go and ask for two 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars. 156 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Listen, here's how I know that's not happening, Because a 157 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: parade of Republicans have been running to the cameras, running 158 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: to say on the record that they do not believe 159 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: Trump will put boots on the ground, and they wouldn't 160 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: want that. This is Republican lawmakers trying to influence the 161 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: President on his favorite medium, television, because they can't get 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: to him any other way. 163 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: They don't think he's liststening. 164 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: They believe that he is imperiling their elections, and they 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: don't want him to do the next stupid thing after 166 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: doing several stupid things. 167 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: They don't want to be. 168 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Locked in a war of attrition with Iran for years 169 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: or months. So listen, next week. I would look at 170 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: next the next two weeks to get very messy for 171 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Trump politically and the GOP if they really come to 172 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: heads over this war that he seems I don't know, 173 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: simultaneously completely committed to, like he could do this for 174 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: the next two years, but also like he. 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: Could walk away tomorrow. Right, Like that's how wild. 176 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: And unpredictable and impulsive and unthought out this whole thing 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: seems that he could just as easily be in it 178 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: for two years as he could just get bored and 179 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: walk away tomorrow. 180 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: But the next two weeks. 181 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: Look at the next two weeks to see some real 182 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: messiness between Republicans and Trump over this war. Okay, in 183 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: other news, I want to talk a little bit about 184 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: what's going on here at home. I was traveling last weekend. 185 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I had to go to south By Southwest to do 186 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: a panel for Bravo, which was fun. I love, you know, 187 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: stipping outside of the politics box for a minute. 188 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: And maybe you saw the headlines. 189 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: Security lines at the airport were out the door, around 190 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: the corner, like spilling outside onto the streets. This happened 191 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: at the Austin Airport where I was. It happened at Newark, LaGuardia, Houston, Atlanta, 192 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: all over. Airports were seeing two three four hour lines 193 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: just to get through security. Okay, put a pin in that. 194 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: Stay with me. We're going to come back to that, 195 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: but I want to take you to Europe for a moment. Okay, 196 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: we're going to come back, but come with me to Europe. 197 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: If you've ever traveled to France, chances are you've come 198 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: up against this all too common phenomenon. You get to 199 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: the train station and without warning, your train's at a service, 200 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: or you get to a restaurant and there's like a 201 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: paper sign that just says it's closed, like during regular 202 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: business hours, or a museum or a very popular tourist 203 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: destination is like fenced off when it definitely should be open. 204 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: The French will simply say se la crev cerev. You 205 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: may hear from a local accompanied by a shrug sas 206 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: la crev which means. 207 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: It's the strike. 208 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: There's a joke in France about their time honored tradition 209 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: of labor protests. A tourist asks a waiter what the 210 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: signs are about at a protest across the street, and 211 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: the waiter hardly looks up and simply says Thursday right. Strikes, protests, 212 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: work stoppages, closures. They're so frequent in France that there 213 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: are multiple apps and website it's devoted to letting locals 214 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: and tourists a like know what will be open and 215 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: what will be closed, and those in the no check 216 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: it daily. I checked one this week called selv it's 217 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the strike, and it showed that just yesterday, like yesterday, 218 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: for example, there was a strike at schools in Dijon 219 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: and Lyon er Rennes. There's an ongoing transport strike in Ruin. 220 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: There are closures at the louver and the site promises 221 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: thanks to our service unexpected problems are a thing of 222 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: the past. You'll no longer be stuck waiting for your 223 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: train and you can plan. 224 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: A backup solution. Okay, this is just life in France. 225 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: Now Here in America, in the land of twenty four 226 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: hour everything, where we're time obsessed, we're always on the go. 227 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: We may look at France and scoff smugly and think, 228 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: how can people live and work in such constant dysfunction? 229 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: Poor them? 230 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: Pity the French were so much better. No, because now 231 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: we're France. We're France. 232 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 5: Now. 233 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: These long airport lines weren't just because of a strike 234 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: er a protest, Actually there would be some nobility in that. 235 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: They were because of yet another government shutdown, the third 236 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: in just six months. You remember, starting in October last year, 237 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: lasting for forty three days, we endured the longest shutdown 238 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: in US history due to an impasse over the Affordable 239 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Care Act subsidies. Then earlier this year, don't know if 240 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: you saw it, partial shutdown over delays in a funding 241 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: package linked to immigration, And now going on thirty five days, 242 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: we're in another partial shutdown over Department of Homeland Security funding. 243 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: The shutdown has meant about fifty thousand Transportation Security Administration 244 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: officers TSA officers have been working without pay for more 245 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: than a month. Many are picking up second jobs, Others 246 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: are calling in sick. More than three hundred have simply quit. 247 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: More than ten percent didn't come to work on Sunday. Yeah, 248 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: that's when I flew. 249 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: I felt it. 250 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: Acting Deputy TSA Administrator Adam Stall says we're rapidly approaching 251 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: a breaking point. He says if the call rate does climb, 252 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: meaning agents calling out out of work, there could be 253 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: scenarios where we may have to shut down airports. This 254 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: is a serious situation, shut down airports. You would think 255 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: Congress would want to fix this quickly in an election year, 256 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: and as we're all coming up on like our spring breaks. 257 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: But no, all evidence to the contrary. 258 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: A Republicans and Democrats remain in a total stalemate over 259 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: DHS funding, with both parties just blaming each other over 260 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: and over and over again. How much more dysfunction are 261 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: Americans willing to accept? While I was online in Austin, 262 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: someone behind me asked what these lines were about. I said, 263 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: the shutdown. He didn't even know we were in one again, 264 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: which isn't his fault who could keep up? But are 265 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: we France? 266 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: Now? 267 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: Do we need an app to. 268 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: Figure out what part of our government is functioning today? 269 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Can I just get a government that wants to be functional? 270 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: I would vote for. 271 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: Anyone, literally, anyone of any party who just wants to 272 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: make America functional again, where we don't have to constantly 273 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: worry about government shutdowns, whether we have enough air traffic controllers, 274 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: whether the damn airport I'm supposed to fly into will 275 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: even be open in a month. 276 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: This is insanity. 277 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Well, we're all waiting around for four hours in a 278 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: security line like a bunch of chumps. The president's building 279 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: a ballroom and spending billions of taxpayer dollars on a 280 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: war nobody wanted, Like what are we doing? And listen, 281 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't care who you voted for the last three elections, 282 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: not a lick. 283 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: But don't you think this is madness? 284 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: For all the money we pay in taxes, For as 285 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: superior and exceptional as we think America is, shouldn't we 286 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: have a functioning government? 287 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: This isn't partisan. 288 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Both sides have gotten way too comfy making our lives uncomfy. 289 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: No one's punishing them at the ballot box. For their 290 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: dumb decisions and intransigence. Why do we keep rewarding a 291 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: political system that wants to spend more time owning each 292 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: other in congressional hearings and preening for the cameras than 293 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: actually governing. Why aren't we throwing all of them out 294 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: and demanding better. If you're about to take your family 295 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: on spring break in April, like many Americans are, and 296 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: you get to the airport and you have to wait 297 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: four hours in a security line with three screaming kids, 298 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: or if you get there and find out the airport 299 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: you're supposed to fly to is closed lock, what are 300 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: you going to do about it? It's not your fault. 301 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: That's not TSA's fault. That's your government's fault. That's both 302 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: parties in government's fault. They're both happy to use federal 303 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: workers over and over again as political pawns to make 304 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: some political point that they think will actually change something. 305 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: It won't, I promise, So guys do something about it 306 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: instead of looking at who's over here pushing far right nonsense, 307 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: or who's over here pushing for a left nonsensor, who 308 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: has the best comebacks for Trump? 309 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Or who's going to own the Libs. 310 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: Can we just prioritize a functioning government people who want 311 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: to fiction and make our lives better, easier, more affordable. 312 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: I liked what Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro said last weekend. 313 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: I think on Bill Maher. 314 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: He said, I'm a GSD Democrat, a get shit done democrat. 315 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: Yes, please, great more of that. Where are the people 316 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: that want. 317 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: To get shit done? And more importantly, where are the 318 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: voters demanding it? Instead of voters talking about trans this 319 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: or ice that. Can we just demand our government works 320 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: solves problems. I think we're back to basics, guys. I 321 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: think all that other stuff democracy all important, it's pyeing 322 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the sky. 323 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: We're not ready for it. We're not ready for it. 324 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: We got to come back down to the ground and 325 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: just get our government to work again. 326 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 2: Then we can start, you know, weighing. 327 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: In and asking for luxuries like democracy. I mean, it's 328 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: it's insane, but this is where we're at. We don't 329 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: have a functioning government anymore, and I can't see a 330 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: future in which we start to if we voters don't 331 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: start demanding it. Okay, after the break, I'll talk to 332 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: a friend and colleague about all of this Don't go Anywhere. 333 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to talking politics and joining me now as 334 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: my friend and colleague, Jamal Simmons. He was the communications 335 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: director for Vice President Kamala Harris and you can find 336 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: him at Kill the Spider on substack and he's co 337 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: host of Trailblaze, the first major podcast focused exclusively on 338 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight presidential campaign. 339 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: Jamal, Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. It's good to 340 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 4: be back. 341 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: It's great to be back. My producers were just like, ugh, 342 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: I love having. 343 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: Jamal really did try not to disappoint. 344 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: No, no, you will not. You will not. 345 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: So before the break, we were discussing the dysfunction of 346 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: our government as we approached a thirty of the third 347 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: government shut down in six months. It's meant long lines 348 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: at the airport. I was just in a bunch of them. 349 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: It's meant fifty thousand TSA workers are working without pay, 350 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: many are calling in sick or quitting, and we could 351 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: see airport closures just as spring break arrives. How much 352 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: more of this, Jamal, do you think Americans will put 353 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: up with? 354 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 4: You know it is it is so hard to predict 355 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: what Americas are going to put up with these days, 356 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: because putting up with a lot of shit. Excuse my language, 357 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 4: it's true. I really are so here we are, you know, 358 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: we're in this government shut down. There's a lot of 359 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: reasons to be mad. I guess at the government in general. 360 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 4: I don't know if people really parse out who they're 361 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 4: mad at exactly, but they just know that it's not 362 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 4: working for them. And if you're standing in some line 363 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: in Atlanta for forty five to forty five minutes, two hours, 364 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 4: four hours, four hours trying to get out, or in Houston, Texas. 365 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 4: A friend of mine just told me he was trying 366 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 4: to get back from Houston. They lost the luggage, they 367 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: stood in lines like it was just all a mess. 368 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: If you're having that experience, you don't really care who's 369 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 4: in charge. You just want them to fix it, just 370 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 4: fix it. And I think Democrats are going to have 371 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 4: to wrestle with that because they've got, like some a 372 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: real concern here about funding, you know, homeland security and 373 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 4: what's going to happen with the ice agents on the 374 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: streets and are we going to change those rules? And 375 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 4: what about all these places that we're these warehouses that 376 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: are being bought all over America to put ten thousand immigrants. 377 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 4: But we're going to change how we do business. 378 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 5: I don't know. 379 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 4: But the government is also the federal government. The president 380 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 4: is going to also have to wrestle with this because 381 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: he's in charge. And why doesn't he just kind of 382 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 4: deal with the Democrats say hey, we'll fund TSA, let's 383 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: do that. Here's a bill, let's do it. We'll all 384 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 4: sign on to it. Why not just take the deal? 385 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: Dealople make people's lives better. I don't understand. 386 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like making people's lives better is the 387 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: reason anyone's going into government anymore. And I think you 388 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: make a really good point. Democrats are seizing on all 389 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: the right things that Trump is doing. Absolutely, they're pointing 390 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: out all the bad stuff, all the hypocrisy. They're great 391 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: at a criticizing Trump, they're great at dissing him on 392 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: social media now, but I'm still missing their agenda. And 393 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I was watching CNN this morning and Audi Cornish was 394 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: talking to Maria Cardona, our friend, and Maria, coming from the. 395 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: Left right, criticized Trump's. 396 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: War and Iran rightfully, but then Audio asked, Okay, what's 397 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: the Democrat's answer. How would Democrats draw down what do 398 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: they want Trump to do? And I would say the 399 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: same about a lot of things. Where's the economic agenda? 400 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: To counter Trump's economic agenda? They want to defund DHS 401 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: to punish ice. 402 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: I get that. 403 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: What's the plan then to curb illegal immigration? Don't like 404 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: the tariffs great? And neither do I. How would you 405 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: lower inflation? I'm just thinking, Jamal, as we get closer 406 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: and closer to midterms, there will come a point at 407 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: which criticizing Trump won't be enough to get people excited 408 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: to turn out in a midterm election for Democrats. 409 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, I think you're right. Ultimately, you've got 410 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 4: to be for something. I mean, people want to both 411 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: be against the person that they are who's in charge, 412 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: but then also like what am I going to get 413 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: if I vote for you? And there's two problems. The 414 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: first is the short term mid term problem. The second 415 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 4: is what's the governing coalition going to look like that 416 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 4: you're trying to build? And a governing coalition requires you 417 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 4: to have some common elements that everybody is sort of 418 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: rallying around, that we could all say that this is 419 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: what we want to do. What makes me nervous? About 420 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: the democratic agenda that I'm hearing is a lot of 421 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: it is sort of it's the let's make poverty less 422 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: bad agenda. Okay, you know, it's like, look, important things 423 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 4: that we have to deal with. We've got to, you know, 424 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: deal with healthcare. We've got to, you know, make sure 425 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: we were raging wages. We've got to deal with sort 426 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 4: of the excesses of how the modern economy is ravaging people. 427 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: But we've also got to help people aspire. People want 428 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 4: to do something bigger, They want to be able to 429 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: have a life, build something that's gonna they can pass 430 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 4: on to their kids, Build something that they can help 431 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: take care of their kids and help their kids take off. 432 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 4: You know, we've got fifty four million people who are 433 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 4: between the ages of eighteen and twenty nine, and they're 434 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: sitting on three hundred plus two hundred and twenty billion 435 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 4: dollars of student debt right or there. Just there's fifty 436 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: one percent of them are still living at home. Most 437 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: of them don't believe the American dream works for them, 438 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 4: Like what are we doing for them? Like how are 439 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: we going to help them launch? And I feel like 440 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: if we invest in this group of young people we 441 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: the broad society, but even the Democrats invest in that. 442 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: What parent is not willing to say, Hey, if you 443 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 4: help my kid, I'll like you for that. Right, Like 444 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: that works for me. And you know what, if we're 445 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 4: investing in these young people, we're also probably creating jobs 446 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 4: for people. We're like making life better in some other way. 447 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: It just feels like we got to focus. We got 448 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: to focus and we and we all as a society 449 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 4: to be building on something that is going to outlast 450 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 4: our particular lifetimes. And to me, it just feels like 451 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has coaxed us all into day trading on 452 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: our politics all the time and nobody's thinking about tomorrow. 453 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: That's a really good point. 454 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: So just to make sure I'm getting you, are you 455 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: saying like the Democratic message has to move beyond you 456 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: can stay in your parents' health insurance and we'll fight 457 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: for your student debt relief beyond that two more aspirational 458 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of you want more than that? 459 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying? 460 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: Surely? 461 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 4: Absolutely, How are we going to help you? What are 462 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: we going to do to get government out of your 463 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: way to start your company? What are we going to 464 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: do to help get government out of the way, so 465 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: you can buy a house or you know, or rent 466 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: a place that's not going to cost you a bunch 467 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 4: of money. What are we going to do to make 468 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 4: sure that, you know, if you want to send your 469 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 4: kids to school, and you know, you want to send 470 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: your kid to college, and you've got a kid in 471 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: high school, we're going to help you be able to 472 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: do that. It all feels like we're just trying to 473 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: help people not live like miserable. I know what you mean, 474 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 4: which is fine, yeah, do that. 475 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: But listen, the Democrats are caught in a bit of. 476 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: They're painted into a bit of a corner because for 477 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: some time since like Occupy Wall Street, the messaging has 478 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: been very anti wealth. Right, it's for wealth redistribution, it's 479 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: for you know, anti billionaire class. And you can judge 480 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: the merits of that however you want, but that's been 481 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: something of the message. And just recently, you know, Democrats 482 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: went after Mum Donnie for living in like a two 483 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars rent stabilized apartment, right, like that was too 484 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: much largesse. So how do they get around their anti 485 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: wealth sort of message and start preaching again the value 486 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: of aspirational goals and making it. 487 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 488 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 4: You know, some people have started talking about fewer billionaires, 489 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 4: more millionaires. I think that's fine. Like, you know, like 490 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: more people make a million dollars. You know, I've got 491 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: friends like the mom was a teacher, you know, the 492 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 4: dad was a principal. 493 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 5: You know. 494 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 4: They lived in one house, sold another house, got a 495 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: bigger house, and before we knew it, I sally, their 496 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 4: parents passed away. They left their kids a couple of 497 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 4: million dollars between their real estate, you know, their real 498 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 4: estate and the or whatever. So they ended up with 499 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: like a little bit of money. So how do we 500 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 4: help those people figure out how to do that for 501 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: their kids? 502 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 5: Right? 503 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 4: How to be able to leave their kids some kind 504 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: of anest egg so that they can have a head 505 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 4: start when they go off in life. I think that's 506 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: okay and there's nothing wrong with that. And if we're 507 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 4: talking about childcare, I remember when I was working at 508 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: the White House, there was a woman who she wanted 509 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: to have universal childcare. She wanted to have the childcare 510 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 4: TAK credit. She wanted support for childcare. You know why 511 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: because she was trying to build a business. And she 512 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 4: said every day that she was building her company. At 513 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: three o'clock she had to stop working, but she had 514 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 4: to go pick her daughter up from school. Yeah. Yeah, 515 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 4: And so if I'm talking about this, I'm saying, hey, 516 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 4: let's help these entrepreneurs get a couple more hours out 517 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: of the day to build their company so they could 518 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 4: be successful by making sure their kid has somewhere to go. 519 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 4: And we're going to make sure their kid is safe 520 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 4: and taken care of until they get their business off 521 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 4: and they can get back home and make dinner and 522 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 4: spend the evening with their family like the rest of us. 523 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: I think this is really smart. 524 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: I like Democrats wanting to reclaim the flag and patriotism. 525 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: I think this is a really good reclamation project as well. 526 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: I think this would really bring in a lot of 527 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: voters that just thought, what are they for? They just 528 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: want to you know, as you said, keep us one 529 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: step above poverty. 530 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: That's not it, That's not what I'm here for. I 531 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 2: think it's really sick. 532 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: I've never I've never met anybody who's on the minimum 533 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: wage who aspired to be on the minimum wage. Of course, 534 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: right even if the minimum wage was fifteen dollars or 535 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 4: twenty five dollars whatever, it was, like if you're making 536 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: the minimum wage. You want to do better than that, right, right? Right? 537 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Can you need a party that's gonna speak to you 538 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: in that way besides Trump trying to sell you golden 539 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: crypto coins or whatever he's doing. 540 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you know, I just wrote about this on 541 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 4: the substack today. They killed the spider Substack about Trump 542 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 4: the way he coerces everybody to do what it is 543 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 4: that he wants instead of trying to entice people. You know, 544 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 4: he was a great persuader. He's a salesman. But for somewhere, 545 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 4: somewhere along the way, he stopped trying to sell us 546 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 4: on things. He didn't sell us about why to go 547 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 4: to Iran. He barely even talked to us about why 548 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 4: it was important. We still don't really know. They got 549 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: three or four or five or six explanations out there 550 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: about why we're there or what we're going to get 551 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 4: out of it. He's not really building coalitions to do 552 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 4: things anymore. It's all about sticks. There are no carrots 553 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: left in the bags. There are only sticks. 554 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 7: Yeah. 555 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 4: And the way he conducts himself around coursive cooperation, the 556 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 4: way he conducts himself around the world is to go 557 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: around the world and basically bludgeon people into trying to 558 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: do what it is that he wants to do. And 559 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 4: now literally he's doing that with the military. And these 560 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 4: could be really worthwhile things. Going to Venezuela and dealing 561 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: with them could be a worth worthwhile thing. But when 562 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 4: you just trade that for the same regime but with 563 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: more oil excess, yeah, it feels cheap. 564 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: Right, you might not even believe in it, Donald Trump, 565 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: or you take a minute to try and convince us 566 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: why this makes sense. 567 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: I think that's a good point too. 568 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: You have a podcast that talks about twenty twenty eight, 569 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: which is a favorite topic of mine, and I mentioned 570 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: before the break that I liked the way Josh Shapiro 571 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: is talking these days. He's going on podcasts, he's swearing, 572 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: he's calling himself a GSD Democrat, a get shit done democrat. 573 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, music to my ears. 574 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Do you think he's a good candidate for the Dems 575 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. 576 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 4: I think he's got a good voice, right. I think 577 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 4: it's the kind of voice that we need, right. We 578 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: need somebody who has to talk to people who are 579 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 4: in the middle of the road. We have to talk 580 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 4: to people who don't live in big cities. We have 581 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 4: to have all that, you have to have facility to 582 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 4: do all of those things. I'm not sure which one 583 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: of these candidates is actually going to pull it off, right, 584 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: I Mean, the one thing we know about Gavin Newsom, 585 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 4: despite all of his problems, is he seems like he's 586 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 4: zeroing in on the playing field that Democrats have to 587 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 4: get in on. We got to figure out how to 588 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 4: compete on the social media. It's not going to be 589 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: about to policy papers and people doing council formulation speeches. 590 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 4: They've got to be able to really talk to regular 591 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 4: people in the way we're consuming information these days. That's 592 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 4: when that's important. 593 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 5: I think. 594 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: The same time, you also need somebody like maybe like 595 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: a Mark Kelly, who's kind of someone you admire right 596 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: some when you're like, I might be proud to have 597 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 4: this person lead us if I disagree with some of 598 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 4: their policies, like gosh, you sacrificed so much of his 599 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: life and his wife who gave so much of her 600 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: life literally almost yeah, in pursuit of some public good. 601 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: He's kind of a democratic John McCain, like even whatever 602 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: side of the aisle you admire him totally. Yeah. 603 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 4: So somebody you want to admire, somebody who could if 604 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 4: I could piece them together, like some you know Frankenstein, 605 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: like somebody you could admire, somebody who could talk to 606 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 4: the middle of the road, and somebody who knows how 607 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 4: to like mix it up in modern you know, media, 608 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: digital media. 609 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: I think for Republicans it's going to be a ship show. 610 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: I think you're already seeing cracks in their air apparent 611 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: contest where like just a little while ago it was JD. 612 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: Vance for sure, and now Mark or Rubio is picking 613 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: up some steam. I just read that Vance is like 614 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: reportedly saying he might not even run. He's teasing this 615 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: because he and Usher are expecting their fourth Okay, but 616 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have a former You're gonna have 617 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: some former MAGA stars too, like Marjorie Taylor Green, maybe 618 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson getting in and really sort of, you know, 619 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: providing some tension in inter party tension. 620 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: But I think it's gonna be a mess. 621 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: So I think it's really important that Democrats don't suck 622 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: it up and do something stupid like nominate Gavin Newsome. 623 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 4: That's all I have to say, right, So listen, I've 624 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: thinking about JD Vance A lot Gavin for now will 625 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 4: be because I think, well, the Gavin problem will sort 626 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 4: itself out, right, I think the American people will. They'll 627 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 4: tell us, right, they'll tell us of what they wanted 628 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 4: Donald Trump but not Trump, or they'll tell us if 629 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: they want like somebody who you know has a more 630 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 4: elevated kind of presentation. Jd Vance. 631 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 5: JD. 632 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 4: Vans is such a chameleon, right, It's like he's Pandora, Right. 633 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: I think Amelia's kind. He's just unprincipled. He's for sale. 634 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we don't know what's inside. And I will 635 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 4: tell you this one thing people need to know about 636 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 4: a president, even if they don't like the person, They 637 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 4: need to know the person. Who are you, What do 638 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: you believe? What do you want to do? 639 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 5: Now? 640 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 4: Frankly, it was one of Kamala Harris's problems. People just 641 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: didn't know her, They didn't know what was driving her, 642 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 4: they didn't know what she really believed in, and they 643 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 4: never quite got over there. 644 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: Then she had to defend all the Biden stuff, so 645 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: she couldn't even show what she stood for. 646 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 4: And even the first time she ran for president in 647 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, some of that same stuff came up. It 648 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 4: was like you were for some of this stuff when 649 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: you were running for Sena in California, and now you're 650 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 4: ready for president. You're not really for it, but you're 651 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 4: not really telling us how you got from there to 652 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 4: where you are. For you to hear people are fine 653 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: with you changing your mind, just tell them so sure, Yeah, 654 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 4: you know, I used to do this. Now I'm kind 655 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 4: of running on a national stage. I've learned more. I've 656 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 4: traveled the world, I've met some experts who talked to 657 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 4: me about this. I've started to see maybe there's more 658 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 4: to this than I thought it was when I first 659 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 4: started talking about this. And let me tell you what 660 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 4: I believe now. He is where we need to go, right. 661 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 4: But as like flip flop bottom. 662 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, there are different rules inside MEGA 663 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: than there are for any other you know, other Republican 664 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: candidates outside of MEGA, and certainly than there are for Democrats, 665 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: because unlike Republicans, Democratic voters hold their Democratic candidates to 666 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: be a much higher standard. 667 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: And so I don't know that JD. 668 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: Vance's selling out hollowness, ghoulishness on principledness, chameleonness will be 669 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: the thing that you know, keeps him from from getting 670 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: the nomination, But it's looking less and less certain today 671 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: than it was like a year ago. 672 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, and you know the secret, the real 673 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 4: secret to why JD. Vance has a hard time becoming 674 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 4: the next Republican nominee or president even if that happens, 675 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 4: is Donald Trump. One is Donald Trump's entire like the 676 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 4: Trump is maybe tired, it will be over that. The 677 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 4: second is, I just can't imagine a world where Donald 678 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 4: Trump is going to sit there every day and let 679 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: somebody who's down the hall get more press than he's 680 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: getting office. 681 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 682 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh, he's going to cannibalize that ticket. You're so right, 683 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna be. That's going to be fun to watch. 684 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy. 685 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 4: I can't imagine. 686 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: You're so right. 687 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 5: I can't imagine. 688 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: Since you've already played our exit poll game, I have 689 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: some new questions for you before we leave. The first 690 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: one is who is the best fictional president in a 691 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: movie or TV show? 692 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 4: Okay, the real one? So I'm probably I'm a Democrat. 693 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 4: I'm supposed to say it was Jed Bartlett or Andrew Sheppard. 694 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 4: It was Willy Harrison Ford an Air Force one. 695 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 2: That's so good. 696 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 4: That's his name. I don't even remember his name, but 697 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: like a kick ass president who's fighting terrorists on the 698 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 4: plane and saving everyone's life. That's kind of what we 699 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 4: need right now. 700 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: That's a great answer. I love that movie, and I 701 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: love that. 702 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: You didn't give the Sorkinnian answer that every Democrat is 703 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: expected to give. And Jeff Bartlett and Andrew Shepherd were 704 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: fantastic fictional presidents. 705 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: But I love that answer. That's really good. 706 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: Okay, who's one Democrat you do not want to run 707 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: for president? 708 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I think. 709 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: H like, is there a Democrat that you think might 710 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: be destructive in that race? 711 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 4: Oh? Well, I mean Bernie Sanders. 712 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: Just because you don't think he can win. 713 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 4: I don't think he can win. I also don't think Look, 714 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 4: I think a lot of the analysis that comes from 715 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 4: the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party has some merit, 716 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 4: and they understand some of the problems that we're facing. Yeah, 717 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 4: don't buy their solutions, right, I think the solutions are 718 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 4: a little heavy handed. I'm a little bit more of 719 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 4: a free marketer, and I think we you know, regulated 720 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 4: markets for sure, right, Like, yeah, clear regulation, let's and 721 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 4: imagine this a president who doesn't inject himself into the 722 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 4: inner workings of companies. I know that sounds like crazy 723 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 4: right now, but that could happen. 724 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,959 Speaker 2: Trust me, I would love that. 725 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 5: Look. 726 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 4: And I'm firstly, have some rules of the road, Like 727 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 4: you know, I used to do a lot of work 728 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 4: with the SEC and I kind of feel like people 729 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 4: need to have need to know what the rules are 730 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: so they can figure out how to build their companies, 731 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 4: sell their companies, do all these sorts of things. Sure, 732 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 4: but then let it happen, like get out of the way, 733 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 4: let some of it happen. But we also need to 734 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 4: price in some of the externalities, right. I think we 735 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 4: don't do a good job of saying to a company, 736 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 4: you're spending a lot of money building your data center 737 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 4: and it's going to have these environmental impacts. You got 738 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 4: to pay for that. Yeah, right, you put those costs 739 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 4: on your on your balance sheet, not just assume that 740 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 4: we're going to offload them to the tax and let 741 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 4: the rest of us pay for your corporate success. So 742 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 4: let's add in the costs, make sure that we know 743 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 4: we're pricing all this the right way. But then let's 744 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 4: get out of the way and let the companies compete. 745 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 4: Love it? 746 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: Okay? 747 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: Finally, who has one Republican who you think could win 748 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight? 749 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 4: M a Republican who Well, the truth is, any of 750 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 4: them could win, because you know, it's just the way 751 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 4: it works. And but I think, you know, in the 752 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 4: old days, I would have said it would have been 753 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 4: somebody like Nikki Haley, But now I don't know if 754 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 4: she's just sort of burned through it. There's nothing left, right, Yeah, 755 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 4: And the ones who could win the primary, could they 756 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 4: win the you know, the ones who can win the general, 757 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 4: could they win the primary? Right? I don't know that's 758 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 4: the problem, right, Like I don't know that they get 759 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 4: their problem. 760 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jamal Simmons, it's always so great to have 761 00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: you on. 762 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: You're so smart and normal normal. It's just like how 763 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: normal you are. Thanks for joining us as always, we'll 764 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: have to have you back. 765 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, and I love your green sweater. 766 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 4: It's just amazing. 767 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 2: For those who can't see it, says Weirdo w On. 768 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 4: It's weird all right. If you can't see that, weird enough. 769 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: Thanks and thanks to everyone else for tuning in. We'll 770 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: see you next week. 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