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Speaker 1: Welcome to Know Your Foe Oncolts dot Com and in

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Speaker 1: Death Book at the upcoming matchup. Here are your host,

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Speaker 1: Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another installment of Bill Your Foe right here

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Speaker 1: on Colts dot Com. I'm your host, Casey Valley, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by Colts Ring of Honor wide

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Speaker 1: AFC battle between the Colts and Patriots on Saturday Night

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Speaker 1: Football and helped get us filled in on everything with

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. We are joined by Tom Curran, who is

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Speaker 1: a Patriots insider for NBC Sports Boston. Tom, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for the time. And as I mentioned, I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by Bill Brooks. I know you know him well

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Speaker 1: as a Boston native. Well, Bill Brooks, of course is

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Speaker 1: a Framingham product, Framingham with the Framingham North to South.

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Speaker 1: Bill is Framingham North. You're correct, all right, And you

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Speaker 1: know I was born in Framingham. My grandfather, after he

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Speaker 1: retired from the Department of Agriculture, used to deliver the

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Speaker 1: Middlesex News in those green trucks, so I occasionally got

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Speaker 1: to ride next to him. And I'm Sure there was

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Speaker 1: some Billy Brooks headlines then, and I actually worked at

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Speaker 1: what became the Metro West Daily News, So my affinity

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Speaker 1: for Bill Brooks is high. Plus I remember him playing.

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Speaker 1: He was really good. Well, we love Bill here. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they love Bill and Boston too, Sure do Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to start with this game we're talking about

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, and starting with Mac Jones. He was the

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Speaker 1: fifth quarterback taken in the draft, but he's proven to

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Speaker 1: be probably the most NFL ready quarterback of any of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that were taken. How much of that is

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Speaker 1: is Bill Belichick or does Mac Jones deserve a majority

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Speaker 1: of that credit? I would say Mac Jones does deserve

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Speaker 1: the majority of the credit. Now, you have to be

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Speaker 1: plugged into the right situation. I mean the chaos that

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Speaker 1: exists in Jacksonville or the unsettled situation in Chicago. Those

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Speaker 1: into a place had had when all its pieces were there,

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Speaker 1: an offensive line that could protect him, to outstanding running backs.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots had shopped for tight ends, which they didn't have,

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Speaker 1: so all those things were in place. Plus they had

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Speaker 1: the same way the cults are developing and have had

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Speaker 1: in the past. They have a program almost like a

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Speaker 1: college program, where there's consistency. So when you drop a

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Speaker 1: mac Jones ability to comprehend what his responsibilities are and

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Speaker 1: absolutely the best fit off the rack the Patriots could

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Speaker 1: have gotten to look good any of those other quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would have looked as good this way.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they would be a ninety four

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Speaker 1: want to stick with one more about mac Jones before

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Speaker 1: we handed over to Billy. I know the conditions were

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Speaker 1: last time out for him that you know, maybe there's

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Speaker 1: And the one time Mac did throw it almost went

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Speaker 1: it ain't broke, don't try and fix it. I mean

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Speaker 1: they were picking up as you guys saw, they were

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Speaker 1: doing that. So that was really I think it's been overblown,

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Speaker 1: another group that is giving them a good bit of

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Speaker 1: How has this play and the play of the defensive

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Speaker 1: In addition to the free agency stuff you guys were

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Speaker 1: and Tom, thank you so much, and enjoy the game.

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Speaker 1: You're two guys. Take care. Primetime football back in Indianapolis

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