1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Aaron Menkey's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild. Our world is 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: full of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: all of these amazing tales are right there on display, 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. Among the many stories told of lost cities, 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: a few standouts. Plato spoke of a fictional island known 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: as Atlantis, which boasted a powerful navy that attacked Athens, 9 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: but was defeated and eventually lost to the ocean. Legends 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: about the tribal chief of the Muska people in Colombia 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: have changed over the years. At first, the chief was 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: a single man covered in gold. Over time, the stories 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: about the chief became stories out a great city than 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: an entire kingdom made of gold, known simply as El Dorado. 15 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: But as far as we can tell, they're all just stories. 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Though they have taken on lives of their own through 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: various retellings and with the help of popular culture, they 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: are no truer than they were thousands of years ago. However, 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: not all lost cities are fake. One was found in 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: India in nineteen seventy five, though its creator probably wished 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: that it stayed lost. This place, known as the Divine 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: Kingdom of Sukrani, was discovered in the city of Chandagar 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: in northern India. How it had gone hidden for so 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: long is a mystery. As the kingdom had stretched across 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: twelve acres, Indian authorities who toured the site didn't know 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: what to expect, but were surprised by their findings. Much 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: of the kingdom had been comprised of large stone sculptures. 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: One area was home to a piece known as the 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Dancing Girls, which was made up of dozens of stone 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: statues similar in height. Their skirts were all different, some 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: in black, others adorned with white or blue fragments of 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: unknown origin. Deeper into the kingdom, waterfalls cascaded over rocks 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: into small rivers and lagoons, which were bordered on both 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: sides by stone pathways. A temple like structure had been 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: erected over one of the waterfalls, and rocky bridges spanned 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: the rivers to allow passage from one side to the other. 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Rocks had also been arranged into animal shapes, such as 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: cows and birds, which had been placed across the land 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: in herds. Ornate mosaics comprised of tiny ceramic pieces adorned 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: walls and walkways. All of these creations, made of pebbles, 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: rocks and boulders, gave the city its other nickname, the 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: Rock Garden of Chandagar. Walking along its surprisingly sturdy paths 43 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: was a joy as explorers took in the sights of 44 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: elaborate carvings and statues, all of which had been erected 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: on a tract of land that had gone unnoticed for ages. 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: There were so many individual structures to see it was 47 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: hard to know how many people it had taken to 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: build the kingdom. Well, one person knew. His name was 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: neck Chand, and he had built the whole thing himself. 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: Neck Chand came from simple means. Born in modern day Pakistan, 51 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: Chand worked as a roads inspector for the Chandagar Public 52 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Works Department. In nineteen fifty one, an architect known as 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Lacobusier had been hired to design Chandagar as the first 54 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: planned city in India. It was set to become the 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: new capital of Punjab. Chand would ride his bicycle several 56 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: miles from his home in Chandagar, where he supervised the 57 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: construction of the city's new highways. The chand wasn't only 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: a roads inspector, He was also a collector. He liked 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: to pick up small rocks and stones on his commute, 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: items he described as both ancient and alive, and deposit 61 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: them in a nearby gorge. His job at the public 62 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: works allowed him to access the tools and materials the 63 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: workers used to build the roads, and the local dump 64 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: provided him with even more elements to incorporate into his 65 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: vast creation. Jandagar's construction had caused the demise of two 66 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: nearby villages, whose homes and personal belongings had been tossed away. 67 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Of course, you know what they say, One man's trash 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: is another man's art installation. Beginning in nineteen fifty seven, 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,559 Speaker 1: he worked under the cover of night, assembling his sculptures 70 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: and archways out of the rocks, bathroom sinks, forks, knives, 71 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: and other refuse. He did all of this far from 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: the prime eyes of his supervisors and Chandergar. Had they 73 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: known what he was up to, they would have stopped him. 74 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: You see, the gorge he had chosen to build his 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: sites had been designated as protected land. His art wasn't 76 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: just beautiful, it was an act of rebellion. Chand kept 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: at it for eighteen years until some health officials investigating 78 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: the area happened to come across it in nineteen seventy five. 79 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: By then, he had already planted trees and created almost 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: two thousand sculptures from things he'd found on his bike 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: rides to and from work. The city trying to have 82 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: it demolished, but people came from all over India to 83 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: see what Chand had built. Not wanting to kill a 84 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: possible tourist trap or admit that they had at and 85 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: paying attention to something going on right under their noses, 86 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: Jander Guard passed in order to let the rock gardens stand. 87 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: Jand was given the title of Chief Creator, which came 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: with a salary and fifty additional workers who would help 89 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: him expand and maintain his creation. He kept at it 90 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: until he passed away in two thousand fifteen. Not a 91 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: bad ending for the man who built his city on rocks. 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: That role privilege is a double edged sword. Those who 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: have it become accustomed to the comfort it brings, whether 94 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: that comfort is monetary or knowing they'll never have to 95 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: work as hard as others to get ahead, they believe 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: they're invulnerable to poverty, illness, and the rest of the 97 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: world's problems plaguing the less fortunate. For Michael Rockefeller, privilege 98 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 1: allowed him to travel the world and have the kinds 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: of experiences most people only dream of, but it also 100 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: came at a cost. Rockefeller was born in nineteen thirty 101 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: eight to Mary and Nelson Rockefeller. His father, grandfather, and 102 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: great grandfather had made their last name synonymous with wealth 103 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: and power, from Standard Oil to U. S Steel and 104 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: the US Vice presidency. The Rockefellers never knew anything but 105 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: a life where the best was rarely good enough. Michael 106 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: was one of seven children and attended the finest schools 107 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: growing up. However, he didn't coast on his family's name 108 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: or reputation when it came to his school work. He 109 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: was smart and had many varied interests. He gravitated towards 110 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: art and history, much to his father's chagrin. Nelson had 111 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: wanted his son to follow in his footsteps, which meant 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: putting on a suit and managing the family's business affairs. Michael, though, 113 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: chose a different path. By the early nineteen sixties, he 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: was working on his graduate degree in anthropology at Harvard 115 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: when he got the idea to visit a place rarely seen. 116 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: It was an island off the coast of Australia called 117 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: Papua New Guinea, known then as Dutch New Guinea. The 118 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: young Rockefeller had secured permission from the Dutch National Museum 119 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: of Ethnology in the Netherlands to take a trip to 120 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: the island. He would be traveling with the express purpose 121 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: of obtaining art made by the native Osmat people who 122 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: lived there, which he would then put on display back home. 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: The Asthma people of the Aganop tribe greeted Rockefeller and 124 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: his team with trepidation. Many had never seen white men before, 125 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: nor had they ever seen technology such as cameras. Though 126 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the indigenous peoples of the island tolerated the Americans documenting them, 127 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: one thing was clear. Rockefeller was not allowed to take 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: any of their art. Violators of this one edict might 129 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: meet an end similar to those of rival villages who 130 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: dared cross the Asthmats. Their heads would be cut off 131 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: and they would be eaten by the tribe. Rockefeller didn't worry, though, 132 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: to him, the Asma were primitive compared to his advanced 133 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Western ways, he would have been wiser not to underestimate them, though, 134 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: as his hubris would be instrumental in his downfall. He 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: returned to America knowing that he'd have to make a 136 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: return trip to the island if he was going to 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: get the art he needed for his new exhibit. In 138 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, Rockefeller boarded a boat with an anthropologist 139 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: neighbor in a Wassing for a second try. They had 140 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: almost reached the village when their boat was overturned in 141 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: a storm. The two men floated there, holding onto their 142 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: capsized hull, over ten miles from the island. As Rockefeller 143 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: bobbed in the water, weighing his choices, he decided he 144 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: would swim for it. I think I can make it, 145 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: he said, and then Wassing watched him take off, unaware 146 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: those would be his companion's final words. The future air 147 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: of the Rockefeller Fortune was never seen again. A search 148 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: was conducted over the following weeks for Michael Rockefeller's body. 149 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: It was never found. One theory suggested that he was 150 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: eaten by sharks on his way to shore, and that 151 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: premise was only half right. It took fifty years, but 152 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: journalist Carl Hoffman eventually got the truth rocket Feller's death 153 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: had been covered up. He learned from members of the 154 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: outs Janup tribe that Michael had the unfortunate luck of 155 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You see, 156 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: three years before his first trip to the island, the 157 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: outs Janup had gone to war with a rival tribe, 158 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: and many on each side had been killed. The newly 159 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: installed Dutch colonial government couldn't have these warring factions threatening 160 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: their men, so they took matters into their own hands. 161 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: They attempted to subdue the rival tribe. Unfortunately, a miscommunication 162 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: led to four Janup war leaders getting shot instead. To them, 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: the other tribe was no longer the problem white men were. 164 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: Michael Rockefeller had in fact made it to the island 165 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: after his boat had capsized. Those who caught a glimpse 166 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: of him thought he was a crocodile at first, until 167 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: they got a closer look. When they saw that he 168 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: was a two on or white man, they figured he 169 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: was part of the Dutch colonizers who had come to 170 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: their village several years earlier. And to make matters worse, 171 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: the specific as Janup who had spotted him had been 172 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: the sons of the murdered war leaders, so they took 173 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: their revenge out on Rockefeller. Michael Rockefeller had been born 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: into a life of means. He believed himself to be 175 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: above others, especially those of a culture are different from 176 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: his own. None of it mattered in the end, though 177 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: no amount of privilege would have saved him that day. 178 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: It's a cautionary tale that teaches us a lot about 179 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: respect and valuing our differences. It shows us what can 180 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: happen when power gets in the way of peace, and 181 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: above all, it shows us just how curious our world 182 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: truly is, and sometimes that's enough. I hope you've enjoyed 183 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: today's guided tour of the Cabinet of Curiosities. Subscribe for 184 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: free on Apple Podcasts, or learn more about the show 185 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: by visiting Curiosities podcast dot com. 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